The Glenn Beck Program - The Complicated Truth About Dick Cheney’s Legacy | Guest: Stephen Moore | 11/4/25

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Glenn starts the show by remembering former Vice President Dick Cheney, who passed away at 84. Glenn goes through Cheney's controversial history as a conservative while also remembering Cheney's strong leadership after September 11, which America desperately needed. Glenn explains how the government shutdown is affecting the economy and, eventually, your mortgage payment, credit card interest, and grocery bill. Glenn delivers a passionate monologue on the importance of educating youth and preserving America's framework. Glenn speaks about the beliefs of the founding fathers and their faith and explains how following their framework would fix America's issues. Unleash Prosperity co-founder and former Trump economic adviser Stephen Moore joins to discuss how New York is losing its most precious resource: its citizens. Glenn and Stephen also discuss the looming mortgage crisis and ongoing housing shortage.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But we had done so much damage to ourselves in the 60s and the 70s. it took more than one president in eight years. Vietnam still haunted us. The headlines were all about peace dividends. You remember that? The Berlin Wall comes down. Now we should have peace dividends. Downsizing.

Doubt, we didn't know. We were arrogant and yet doubtful. The idea of a military, a powerful military, had been almost embarrassing to say out loud since Vietnam. Reagan had rebuilt us, but it was peace through strength. We never went to war. Thank God.

We never went to war. But our perceived strength did all of the work for us. But we didn't know because the last time we had tanks rolling anywhere was Vietnam. And we thought that was a very bad thing. Well, George H.W. Bush comes in office. And he brought with him a man who had five deferments in Vietnam. He had never served in uniform. And he picks that guy, a guy from Wyoming, not loud, not flashy, to step in.

of the role of Secretary of Defense. That was pretty controversial. Wait a minute. What? Hold it. The guy didn't look like a warrior. He looked honestly like the accountant that balanced the books after the battle. He was quiet, soft-spoken.

But he was firm. He was very clear on what he believed. And he believed perhaps more than, more deeply than almost anybody else in Washington that a nation that can't defend itself, isn't going to remain free. And so Reagan had really built the military up, and Dick Cheney kind of finished that off with George H.W. Bush

by restoring the faith in our military. Faith in America's strength was not the problem. America's strength was the protector of liberty. I'm old enough to remember the opening night of the Gulf War. CNN was the only news network at the time. And on my living room screen, I was living in Baltimore at the time, there was this eerie green grain of night vision footage, which we really hadn't seen before.

And missile strikes through the darkness. We had never seen war like this before, not only in night vision, but not live in our living rooms. We had never seen anything like it. And I remember we all kind of held. our breath and we watched this new kind of war unfold. And it was swift.

It was surgical. It was divisive. There was no draft or decisive. There was no draft. There was no chaos. There was no quagmire. For the first time in decades, Americans felt pride without apology when it came to our military.

And we still wondered, is it going to be a quagmire? But it wasn't. The mission was very clear. The victory was clean. We liberated Kuwait. That was the mission. and then we left. There was, you know, no oil fields, no spoils, no empire building.

Just a message to the world we could be proud of. This is what moral strength looks like. Free a nation and go home. Now, when George W. Bush ran for president, I don't think anybody was really comfortable handing the nuclear codes over to this guy who had been the governor of Texas and really kind of like, Let me tell you. Yeah. Right.

I mean, I wasn't comfortable. He was a guy we barely knew. He seemed somebody, he seemed like somebody who was more comfortable in the stands of a baseball stadium than even, you know, in the main offices of the baseball stadium that he owned, you know. And everything changed in 2000 in the election when he chose Dick Cheney as his running mate. The reaction was. instant. And I think it was the sound of America kind of exhaling a bit. He announced Dick Cheney and Colin Powell.

They were the ones that brought us the Gulf War. It was quick, decisive, and over. And America said, okay, okay, okay. He's got Dick Cheney behind him. All right. The adults are back. Then came that blue September morning, and the skies were clear and the markets were open. And in an instant, absolutely everything changed. The world stopped. The New York skyline was filled with smoke and fear filled the air all over the world, not just here in America. No one knew what was going on. And our president was reading stories to children in Florida.

And Dick Cheney became the acting president for a while until we could get the president to safety. he was the one that was rushed down to the emergency bunker in the White House. He took over for a while. He was steady, emotionless, and firm. He didn't tremble. He didn't panic. And in those hours, those first few hours, America needed that. But fear, once it's tasted, it's hard to let go.

And so we started a war, and it just stretched on and on. on and the mission became blurry. Freedom became a slogan instead of a strategy. And freedom started to take a different meeting here in America. We passed the Patriot Act. We built the Department of Homeland Security. None of those things had anything to do with freedom. We created the FISA courts and airport lines that never seemed to end. And for a while, we told ourselves, all of this is worth it. It's the price that we have to pay to live in a dangerous, dangerous world. But, but we're But when you give more to one god, the other gods will demand payment later. And something in those days, a seed that was far more darker was planted.

The anthrax attacks. Most people don't even remember them now. They rattled the nation. Cheney, who is always the realist and the adult in the room, always the Sentinel, told the nation's top scientists, we can't wait for the next attack. We have to study it. We have to anticipate it. And so it was Dick Cheney that urged men like Dr. Anthony Fauci to push research further, faster, into what we now call gain of function.

And I'm sure it was born out of good intent to protect us. But as history often teaches us, good intent can be dangerous as a companion to unchecked power. Or as my grandmother used to always say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And still beneath all of that calculation and control. there was a different side of Dick Cheney. He was quiet. When his daughter Mary came out as gay, he didn't blink. Long before Clinton evolved, before Obama changed his mind,

Cheney, the Hawk, Darth Vader, the architect of war, said plainly, my daughter deserves the same rights as everybody else. It was personal, it was brave, it was human, and as a politician, he stood almost entirely alone. Nobody gives him credit for that. and he belonged to a different time, a Cold War man in a postmodern world, a deep believer in the chain of command,

in America's dominance, in doing what has to be done, even if the world didn't approve. He died last night. He had five heart attacks in his life. I think it was 2012. He had a heart transplant. Doctor said it would give him another decade of life.

13 years later. Dick Cheney's life, offers both a chance to give medals and lessons, the virtue of strength and the peril of excess. And he should have learned from the first Gulf War. He was the iron for many years in America's spine after decades of doubt. But he was also a reminder that iron rusts if it is left unexamined. We needed his resolve when the towers fell.

and perhaps in the years that followed. We needed more of his restraint from 1991 in the years that followed that, but we didn't get it. And so he leaves behind a really complicated legacy, which I think is appropriate today, as I try to talk to you today about what does it mean to be a conservative. On all fronts, what does it mean? Dick Cheney was a conservative for a man of his time, but he lost one of the, main principles, and that is conservatives believe in the rule of law and the constitution. He's a patriot, yes, but he's also a warning to us. He helped America find its courage, but he also taught us how easily courage can drift into

control. And he left us some lessons that we should learn, the Patriot Act. That has given our government tools to spy on its own citizens. on Capitol Hill, nobody is talking about this, but this is the biggest scandal, probably in American intelligence and American corruption of all time. The Patriot Act made all of it possible, a government wide scandal of a president spying on his opponent's party, including senators and congressmen and donors and average citizens. That's still being revealed. Nobody's talking about it. But that came from the Patriot Act. That gave him the power to do it. The FISA courts, as we know,

a completely other scandal. The FISA courts were lied to. Our FBI actually changed, physically changed documents to falsify testimony to secure wiretaps that they said they needed that we now know were unwarranted and illegal. What else should we learn today? We paid a heavy price for never-ending wars in blood, in treasure, and faith. We failed to learn the right lessons from the Gulf War. define the mission narrowly, execute it, efficiently, and then get the hell out of there and come home.

Enhanced interrogation. That's Dick Cheney. We called torture enhanced interrogation, and we still refuse as a people to have this debate. We either torture or we do not. And it's the people that should make the decision. No one in the world looks to a nation who says one thing but then farms out the torture to another dictator or authoritarian someplace else, they don't look at that and go, you know what, there's a great nation.

We should also learn the lesson. I mean, think if we just learn this. No, enhanced interrogation, it's torture. It's not, you cannot change the name. You can't change the meaning of words, okay? Enhanced interrogation is still torture. No matter what, no matter what you do to a man surgically, he's still a man. You can't just say, oh, no, that's a woman.

Changing the words doesn't change reality. And the heaviest lesson we have not learned a bit from is gain of function. It may be illegal, but it is still happening because there are those in the government on both sides of the aisle that think it's important. It is not. It has killed millions and it has changed our world. In that crisis, we saw blue states give new dictatorial power. that still haven't been corrected. So Dick Cheney, believe it or not, I actually liked Dick Cheney, but I've changed.

The times have changed. And I would like to salute his service to a nation for what he did and he actually believed he was doing the right thing and he did do the right thing in his day. But things have changed and his passing marks not just the end of a man's life, but the close of that age, an age of sea. and steel and certainty. Honor Dick Cheney's service today. But can we learn from the mistakes?

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oh, conservation. This is, you know, everyone's trying to do conservation. He's a conservation. may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not sufficient basis for a sound comprehensive energy policy. People work very hard to get where they are, and the hardest working are the least likely to go around squandering energy or anything else that cost them money.

Our strategy will recognize that the present crisis does not represent a failing of the American people. I just think that's the way we should be looking at energy, the way we should be looking at this, instead of trying to conserve our way and 1970s Jimmy Carter our way out of our problems with this stuff, it should be produce more energy and embrace the progress that we're making in that world.

And instead, like, the left has been trying to push back against that for years. And I don't know, that's not the way that people talk about Dick Cheney. He doesn't get focused on that. But I thought that was a really important thing that even the right is sort of losing sight of at some point. I think Dick Cheney, I mean, I really have a hard time saying bad things about Dick Cheney. I mean, I mean, the policies that he enacted at the time seemed right. Now, we have to learn from those policies. But he was really, really strong on so many things.

He really made a positive difference on many fronts. It is our job to separate the good from the bad and say, yeah, okay, those things were wrong. Let's correct those right now. This is Glenn Beck. It's money. It's amazing because if the right and the left were together right now, we'd all agree on everything. Everything that the left was talking about Dick Cheney, a lot of those things we agree on. We could correct them in a heartbeat, but they won't.

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if you will, on the closure of the government. And the government needs to open back up. And I'm going to explain it in a way that nobody else will explain it to you. If you're watching CNBC over the last couple of days, they were saying things like, you know, the repo market is under great stress. And they've loaned out banks have been getting money, you know, from the Federal Reserve at incredible rates, highest it's been since 2020. What does that mean?

What does that mean? The banks, when they close at night, they have to have a certain. amount of cash in their vaults to cover everything. It's a requirement by law. And if they don't have that, then they have to go to what's called the repo market and they borrow money overnight. They pay interest on it and they borrow it overnight and they give it back in the morning when they open back up. Okay. It's only done when banks are short of cash. It used to be a very bad thing, but now it's kind of happening all the time, but not at these levels. So let me explain what all of this means. Okay. Try to imagine, if you will, that America,

America's financial system is like a living body, okay? The heart, as much as I hate to say it, for this example, is the Federal Reserve. It doesn't create life, but it keeps the blood pumping, okay? The arteries and the veins are the banks and the institutions that carry the lifeblood of the economy, money. Okay. And the capillaries are like you and me, every family, every small business, every worker trying to make a paycheck stretch from one week to the next. Okay. We're not an artery.

We're capillaries. Now, in this body, there is something called the repo market. Okay. This is a place where banks and institutions go to borrow cash overnight. Okay. Think of that cash like oxygen, okay? The oxygen exchange that happens in the lungs. It's fast, it's constant, it's invisible, but it is vital.

You don't have the oxygen. It doesn't matter what the blood's doing, right? Every night, money goes out, every morning, money comes back in. And that rhythm is what keeps the entire body alive. Well, in the last few days, that rhythm has faltered. Something is clogging the arteries. The banks, the vessels, they're gasping now for oxygen. So they're going to the Fed's emergency oxygen tank, the standing repo facility,

and they are drawing record amounts of cash out just to keep breathing. Okay. It's like watching a marathon runner suddenly reach for an oxygen mask at mile three. Why? Why is this happening? This is the important part. Because while the government is shut down and we might think, well, that's good. They're not spending money. The treasury is the fiscal liver of the body. And it's storing all of the blood in the liver. Okay. It's storing cash in a vault now called the Treasury. general account. There's nearly a trillion dollars sitting in there. Cash, trillion dollars sitting in there, not being paid. Every dollar that goes into that vault is a dollar that can't circulate now through the body. So now it's starving everything of cash because there's a trillion dollars sitting in the treasury. And even though you can't see it, every second the shutdown

drags on, the system is being starved and the arteries are tightening and the heart is straining and the body is starting to shiver. And that's what's happening right now in the shadows of our financial system. It's not about Wall Street greed. It's not some obscure number on a Bloomberg terminal. It is about a government that is turned inward, frozen by politics, unable to pass the simplest resolution to fund itself. And because it's doing this, it's pulling all of that precious liquidity, a trillion

dollars in cash, the oxygen, the life of our economy, out of the bloodstream and into a vault. If you've ever had a power outage in winter, you might know the feeling. Let me describe it this way. First, it's fine. You grab a candle. You grab a blanket. It's kind of fun. You start the fireplace. Hours drag on. The house starts to get a little cooler. If it continues to drop on, the pipes begin to freeze. And by morning, it's no longer a cute little thing that, oh, we're just going to sit by the fireplace. It's cold. Okay? That's where we're at financially right now. We are

not at the point of collapse, but we are at the point of freezing the pipes. What does that mean when I'm talking about the arteries? The government shutdown has locked up the Treasury's checkbook. That means fewer payments to contractors,

less spending, less money, flowing into the banking system. When less cash circulates, the banks can't lend freely because there's no cash, money gets tight, repo rates, that invisible overnight interest rates, that starts to spike. And when that happens, it affects the capillaries. You and me, the smallest players, the smallest businesses, the consumers, the credit unions. We begin to feel it first.

When arteries clog at the heart, what's the first part of the body that goes cold, goes numb? The fingers, the toes. That's us. Here's the tragic irony. The politicians, you know, the Democratic Party fighting over a principle. They may think it's about posturing, about leverage, about who blinks first, but it's not. While they're playing chicken with our nation's checkbook, it is now time to say, okay, enough is enough because the system is starting to gasp for error. And this is how financial crisis begin.

We're not in one yet. but again, the pipes are beginning to freeze. And this is how things happen. They happen quietly, not with a bang, you know, not with a crash, but with tightening. With the arteries getting clogged, all of a sudden you have a widow maker. And you didn't see it coming because it's a slow, silent squeeze that begins in the overnight funding markets. The kind of plumbing that nobody ever looks at, nobody ever talks about, Nobody even understand.

Do you understand how the pipes are working in your house behind your walls? I don't even know where they go. I mean, I know they eventually go down and out, but I don't know. And all of a sudden, you find out when a pipe burst. Make no mistake. If this continues, it won't just be the banks that are hurting. It will be your mortgage rate, your credit card interest, your grocery bill. Because the system has to begin charging more for everything because they are paying more in

interest to hoard what little cash is out there. The longer it goes on, the more cash goes into the government and it sits there. It's like watching your bloodstream start to clot. You're not going to feel it right away, but if it reaches the heart, reaches the brain, the damage can be fatal. So here's the one truth today on the economy that the media won't tell you or they fail to explain. the repo market. What the hell does that mean? Why are you only talking to the people on Wall Street? Why don't you tell the people who are going to be affected first? Why can you, how can an alcoholic DJ figure out a way to explain this to the average person?

But you can't? This shutdown is not just a political stalemate. It is a self-inflicted wound. We are at a point now. where the government is literally draining oxygen from the economy. And the Fed is in triage mode, pumping emergency liquidity into the veins just to keep the patient alive. The question is, how long can the Fed keep doing CPR before it tires out? How long before they just, we got to start printing money? The cure is not more money printing. It's governance.

It's having a damn adult in the room. It's lawmakers that understand that start. the bloodstream to win a headline is not courage. It's madness. When? When will the Democrats stop this game? The shutdown has to end, not because Wall Street wants it, but because Main Street needs it. The blood of the American economy, the trust, the liquidity, the stability. It's not infinite. And once the heart starts to falter, it takes more than an emergency repo to bring a nation back to life. This must end. Back in a minute. Our sponsor this half hour is American financing. You may have noticed lately everything costs more. Your paycheck just doesn't stretch

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Call 800906 2440 for details about credit costs and terms. The rope may break. With the ride goes on, this is Glenn Beck. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. Stu asked me during the break, what was it, Stu? Why is this happening? You understood what was happening? Yeah, you kind of talked about the systems of how all this stuff operates, but like, why, you know, why is this occurring right now because of a shutdown?

I mean, we've had shutdowns before. But not like this, not this long, okay? We're now starting to see the effects of it. Okay, so let me see if I can explain this quickly. Do you remember in its wonderful life where the Jimmy Stewart character, just they had $2 left and they were like, call, let's put these back into the vault and hope they have little babies. They remember? They just had to have at least the dollar in the bank to close.

That meant they weren't out of business. Well, after the crash, the government said, hey, you've got to have more than just a couple of dollars because you have all of these liabilities out there. So in a global market, what happens if the global market starts to tank? You better have the cash to cover everything that happens between 5 p.m. and 9 a.m. All right. Otherwise, you're not going to be able to open. All right. So they passed this law and you have to have a certain amount of money in your vault every night.

It used to be a thing of shame, but we just got so reckless with our money. But the Federal Reserve used to have what's called a discount window. And it was shameful to go there. It was like, oh, this bank might be going out of business. It doesn't have enough money to cover all of its debts. And you would go there and you say, I need a loan for the cash overnight. and you pay it back. Here's what's happened.

That's always been since 2008. That's been going on for a long time. There's no more shame in it or anything else, unfortunately. What's happening is the government, we look at this as a good thing as conservatives and say, good, we don't have to spend all that money. But it's like an SSRI. You know, you're taking antipsychotic medication. You might want to stop it.

And you're like, you know, I feel great. Everything's great and you stop it. But the doctors always say, don't, don't just stop it. You've got to wean yourself off of that because really bad things can happen if you just stop your SSRIs. Right. The same thing with this. The government controls over 30% of our economy. Imagine, let's say it's just 20% that's actually not being funded right now.

20% of our economy. Imagine if 20% of everybody who spent money every day just said, you know what? I'm not leaving the house and I'm not spending money at all for the next month and a half. Wouldn't hurt the first week, maybe the second week, but by the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth week, you're now looking at restaurants and movie theaters and everything else starting to go out of business because they're not spending the money. And that money is just sitting in the bank. In this particular case, that money is sitting in the treasury, not the bank.

So now it also hurts the banks because they can't make loans because they don't have the cash because it's all sitting in the treasury vault. The treasury vault has to be opened up. We have to start paying people so the economy doesn't crash. So we don't have to print more money to keep the banks afloat. And so we don't put all of these other ancillary businesses, all the capillaries, all the restaurants, all the little things that you and I do every day. that they don't go out of business. That's why it's happening. And it wasn't a problem at first.

But we've just stopped serious medication, keeping our economy afloat, and that is government spending. You have to do that carefully, slowly, calculated. You can't just shut the system off. And that's what's happened. And it's happened. And the Democrats know it. they know it believe me they know what's happening there's a reason why they're doing it what is it just say no to trump that big thing where they're asking a million people to show up and surround

the white house on november 5th have you even heard of that hopefully nobody shows up but this is this they're pushing this one to force us to answer the question if the people are out of control because they say it's an authoritarian government and the White House is under siege, can the government respond in authoritarian way to put that down or will that mean we go into civil war? I mean, they keep pushing and pushing and pushing

and now they're pushing the financial system as well. Why? Because they want to color revolution. They want to color revolution. collapse. Not every Democrat wants that, but the ones who know do, that's why this is happening. That's why this is so urgent right now. We're running out of time. If we make it to Thanksgiving and they haven't done anything, this is really colossally bad. It will be very bad for the holiday season and, you know, do they ever do anything during the Christmas vacation? If they ever do it. They just pass something horrible while we're all just like, I got some more turkey. And then they go

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Not as just a nation, not just as a civilization, but also as conservatives. What does it even mean to be a conservative? The New York Times wrote this outrageous piece I'm going to get into in deep, in depth tomorrow about how Nick Fuentes is the replacement for Charlie Kirk. It is absolutely full of lies. distortions and absolutely untrue and they should be ashamed of themselves.

You want to know who Nick Fuentes is? Listen to the bravest podcast. I've heard in a long time Ben Shapiro last night. He put a podcast out on who that guy is. But we have this going on where we're fighting, it seems, amongst ourselves over the soul. And then Dick Cheney's death, he died last night at the age of 84. He was, he represented strength and compassion. You know, he was one of the first political people ever to stand up and go, you know what?

My daughter is gay and I love her, so I'm for gay marriage. That nobody was doing that. But he was also for these never-ending wars. He was for the Patriot Act. He, you know, a globalist. What, is that a conservative? What does it mean to be a conservative? Let me start there in 60 seconds.

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With all of the uncertainty in the world right now, you just can't afford to go unprepared. So go to MyPatriotsupply.com slash Glenn and get prepared. Mypatriotsupply.com slash Glenn. You know, I am so tired of being against everything. saying what we are not. It's time that we start saying what we are. And it's hard because we're changing. It's different to be a conservative today than it was years ago. And part of that is just come from Hard Knocks, School of Hard Knocks. We've learned a lot of lessons on things that we thought we were for and we're like, no, no. But conservatives, to be a conservative shouldn't be

about policies. It's really about principles. And that's why we've lost our way. because we've lost our principles. And it's easy because the world got easy, and now the world is changing so rapidly. The boundaries between truth and illusion are blurred second by second. Machines now think. Currencies falter. Families fractured.

And nations all over the world have forgotten who they are. So what does it mean to be a conservative now in 2025-26? For a lot of people, it means opposing the left. That's a reaction. That's not renewal. That's a reaction. It can't mean also worshiping the past as if the past were perfect. The founders never asked for that.

They asked that we would preserve the principles and perfect their practice. They knew it was imperfect. To make a more perfect nation is what we're supposed to be doing. 2025, 26, being a conservative, has to mean stewardship. the stewardship of a nation, of a civilization, of a moral inheritance that is too precious to abandon. What does it mean to conserve? To conserve something doesn't mean to stand still. It means to stand guard.

It means to defend what the founders designed. The separation of powers. The rule of law. The belief that our rights come not from kings or from Congress, but from the creator himself. This is a system that was not built for ease. It was built for endurance. And it will endure if we only teach it again. The problem is we only teach it like it's a museum piece, you know.

It's not a museum piece. It's not an old dusty document. It's a living covenant between the dead, the living, and the unborn. So this chapter of conservatism must, confront reality, economic reality, global reality, and moral reality. It's not enough just to be against something or chant tax cuts or free markets. We have to ask, we have to start with simple questions like freedom, yes, but freedom for what? Freedom for economic sovereignty, your right to produce and to innovate, to build without asking,

Beijing's permission. That's a moral issue now. Another moral issue. Debt. It's generational theft. We're spending money from generations. We won't even meet. And dependence.

Another moral issue. It's a national weakness. People cannot stand up for themselves. They can't make it themselves. And we're encouraging them to sit down, shut up, and don't think. and the conservative who can't connect with fiscal prudence and connect fiscal prudence to moral duty, you're not a conservative at all.

Being a conservative today means you have to rebuild an economy that serves liberty, not one that survives by debt. And then there's a soul of the nation. We are living through a time period, an age of dislocation, where our families are fractured, our faith is almost gone. Meaning is evaporating so fast. Nobody knows what meaning of life is. That's why everybody's killing themselves.

They have no meaning in life. And why they don't have any meaning is truth itself is mocked and blurred and replaced by nothing but lies and noise. If you want to be a conservative, then you have to become the moral compass that reminds a lost people. liberty cannot survive without virtue. That freedom untethered from moral order is nothing but chaos. And that no app, no algorithm, no ideology is ever going to fill the void where meaning used to live. To be a conservative moving forward, we cannot just be about policies. We have to defend the sacred, the unseen.

the moral architecture that gives people an identity. So how do you do that? Well, we have to rebuild competence. We have to restore institutions that actually work. Listen to the last hour's monologue on what we're facing now because we can't open the government. Why can't we open the government? Because government is broken. Why does nobody care?

Because education is broken. We have to reclaim. education, not as propaganda, but as the formation of the mind and the soul. Conservatives have to champion innovation, not to imitate Silicon Valley's chaos, but to harness technology in defense of human dignity. Don't be afraid of AI. Know what it is. Know it's a tool.

It's a tool to strengthen people. As long as you always remember, it's a tool. Otherwise, you will lose your humanity to it. That's a conservative principle. To be a conservative, we have to restore local strength. Our families are the basic building blocks. Our schools, our churches and our charities, not some big distant NGO that's started by the Tides Foundation,

but actual local charities where you see people actually working. A web of voluntary institutions that held us together at one point. Because when Washington fails, and it will, it already has, the neighborhood has to stand. Charlie Kirk was doing one thing that people on our side were not doing speaking to the young, but not in nostalgia.

Not in Reagan, Reagan, Reagan, in purpose. They don't remember, they don't remember who Dick Cheney was. I was listening to Fox News this morning talking about Dick Cheney. And there was somebody there that I know was not even born

when Dick Cheney, you know, in the World Trade Center, came down. They weren't even born. And they were telling me about Dick Cheney. And I'm like, come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. You don't remember who Dick Cheney is. You don't remember 9-11. How are you going to remember what Reagan was? That just says that's an old man's creed.

No, it's not. It is the ultimate, timeless rebellion against tyranny in all of its forms. Yes, and even the tyranny of despair, which is eating people alive. we need to redefine ourselves because we have changed and that's a good thing. The creed for a generation that will decide the fate of the republic is what we need to find. A conservative in 2025-26 is somebody who protects the enduring principles of American liberty and self-government while actively stewarding the institutions, the culture, the economy, of this nation.

For those who are alive and yet to be unborn. We have to be a group of people that we're not anchored in the past or in rage, but in reason and morality, realism, and hope for the future. We're the stewards. We're the ones that have to relight the torch, not just hold it. We didn't build this torch. make this torch. We're the keepers of the flame. But we are

honor bound to pass that forward. And conservatives are viewed as people who just live in the past. We are not here to merely conserve the past, but to renew it and to sort it. What worked, what didn't work? We're the ones to say to

the world, there's still such a thing as truth. There's still such a thing as virtue. You can deny it all you want, but the pain's only going to get worse. There's still such a thing as America. And if now's not the time to renew America, when is that time?

If you're not the person, if we're not the generation to actively stand and redefine and defend, then who is that person? We are supposed to preserve what works. You know, I was writing something this morning as I was making notes on this. A constitutionalist is for restraint.

A progressive, if you will, for lack of a better term, is for more power. Progressives want the government to have more power. Conservatives are for more restraint. But for the American Eagle to fly, we must have both wings, and one can't be stronger than the other. We as a conservative are supposed to look and say, no, don't do that. See, the past teaches us this, this, and this. So don't do that. We can't do that.

But there are these things that we were doing in the past that we have to jettison. And maybe the other side has a good idea on what should replace that. But we're the ones who are supposed to say, no, but remember the framework. They can dream all they want. They can come up with all these utopias and everything else. We go, that's a great idea. But how do we make it work with this framework? Because that's our job.

The point of this is it takes both. It takes both. We have to have the customs and the moral order and the practices that have stood the test of time and trial. We're in an amazing, amazing time, amazing time. We live in a time now where anything, literally anything is possible. I don't want to be against stuff. I want to be for the future. I want to be for a rich, dynamic future.

one where we are part of changing the world for the better, where more people are lifted out of poverty, more people are given the freedom to choose. Whatever it is that they want to choose is their own government and everything. I don't want to force it down anybody's throat. I'm so excited to be a shining city on the hill again. We have that opportunity right in front of us, but not if we get bogged down in hatred, in division, not if we get bogged down into being against something. We must be for something.

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Yeah. Pretty powerful. I think he did it. I think he did it. right way. The Nick Fuentes stuff was was so very clarifying. So very clarifying. Yeah, I think

there's been a lot of talk about this obviously sort of online and internally in the world of conservatism. I mean, I just don't. Lots of internal. I don't think a lot of people have any idea who this guy is, frankly. So I think, I think they need to know at this point, when the New York Times comes

out and does an article today that he's the future of Turning Point, that is so reprehensible. No, no, he's not. Yeah, I agree with that. But I think it certainly gives a picture as to, you know, who he is and what he believes, right? And so if there's going to be some debate around this person, I guess people need to know who he is and what he thinks. I don't make your own decision.

Again, like, I don't even understand the conversation around most of it, though. It's like, you know, there's a debate between sort of this no enemies to the right philosophy. And it's like, in what world is this guy to my right? A guy who likes Joseph Stalin is to my right? I don't even, what, what do you mean talking about? This is just nonsense to me. And he hates MAGA. He hates Donald Trump.

Hates him. He's not a MAGA guy. He's not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. And the stuff that he says is absolutely an abomination to everything that we believe in. Everything. Yeah. I don't really understand. Again, a lot of people are much more up on this, I suppose, than I am.

But I, like, I saw one clip of him saying, you know, he, he liked Hitler and Hitler was right and the Holocaust didn't happen. And it's like, well, what was he right about then? Highways? Like, what was the, I know? I mean, if you think he was right, usually that indicates you'd think he was right about Jews, which would indicate that you'd think he was right about Jews, which would indicate that you'd want the Holocaust to happen. And it does seem to be. He did the math. He did the math on how many Jews Hitler could kill by comparing Jews to cookies.

I didn't hear that clip. I can't tell. I will say, do you think, I mean, just listening to some of those clips, how much of this is schick? Like, I, some of it seems so, he's joking and, like, fake about it. I don't even know if it's real. I don't even know what it is. I don't know. I will tell you this.

There is, I mean, do you remember when you were in your 20s? I do. I remember when I was in my 20s. I was very flippant. And I would say the most outrageous things just because nobody would say them. Right. Right. And so I think there's... Yeah. And I think for young men, there is a good portion of them that are just going through that phase of their life. Or they're just like saying the most offensive things that they can say because I can. I'm not afraid.

You know, it's funny to my friends. I don't think that's what he's doing. I think some of it is probably. but there's a different. There is a line. There is a line. Yeah, well, of course, I think that's true. It's also, though, the key thing to know if you're one of those troll-type people,

and that's exactly the place you want to go. Wherever that line is, you want to cross it. That's the whole point of this idiocy at that age. And, again, there's lots of people. This is not a new thing to this era. Everyone wanted to say the offensive thing. I just, you know, I think it is important to say that it's obviously horrible to think these things. But, you know, I don't know.

Honestly, like, I want to think a lot less about this nonsense. I want to get out of that world. Like, if you really, we really have to have a conversation about whether Hitler or Stalin are good. I mean, it's just like, this is nonsense. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It is. But thank you, New York Times.

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I'm working on a, when I hope. will be a 20 episode podcast, but it's growing out of control expense-wise. So it might be a 10 episode, but it is all about the beginning of America. And it's our 250th anniversary, and I want to tell the story of America. We start with Columbus. And right now I'm up to episode five. There's all be released in January. But I'm up to episode number five, and it's about Samuel Adams.

And the one thing I learned as I'm doing this journey through the founding era is we are so much alike. We are so much alike. And yet we look back and we think, you know, that it's this grand, united, heroic movement with powdered wigs and parchment and fireworks and everything else. And it's like, no, no. It was a bunch of people who disagreed on an awful lot. And somehow or another, everybody just did what they were born to do. And all of a sudden, it just, I mean, it just happened. It just happened.

It was amazing. And not everybody was for it. You know, if you were living back then, you know, a farmer in Pennsylvania or a merchant in Boston or a blacksmith in Virginia, it didn't feel grand. It didn't feel grand. It felt terrifying and confusing. And to me now, oddly familiar. The truth is that their world and our world is not. that different and we fail to recognize it.

And we should start this is, this is why history is so important. This is why the torch, this is my next, you know, the next chapter of my life is all about history. Because if we can just remember history and put it into perspective, the answers become very, very clear.

Our founders were frustrated by powerful men, thousands of miles away, making decisions about their life without ever asking their permission or asking their opinion. on it. I don't know. Sound familiar. They felt watched. They felt silenced. They felt overruled. All they wanted to do is live free. Plant, build, worship, without somebody telling him exactly how they had to do it every step of the way. Again, sound familiar. But they weren't philosophers locked, you know, locked into a room reading John Locke by Canalite. That's, I mean, most of them were just struggling

to feed their families and stay out of trouble. And a lot of them didn't want to choose sides at all. I mean, 30% of the American people didn't choose a side. But something stirred in them. Here's what I want to, here's what I want you to remember on history and where we are right now. And why I said just a few minutes ago when I was outlining what I think a conservative is revolutions, most revolutions are fed by rage. They begin in rage. ours began in conviction.

Most revolutions in history are about tearing something down. Ours was about building something better. And that's when we find that, when the conservatives find that and go, look, we're building this. And they can point to the horizon. We're going to the moon and returning a man back in the next decade.

When we do that, that's when we'll capture the imaginations. That's why Elon Musk has captured the imagination of the entire world. Because he's like, I'm going to Mars. I'm going to build this company. It's going to do this. And everybody's like, oh, my gosh.

And look, he's doing it. All of the ideas that they had, they were eternal. They had all been preached in the pulpits. I can't wait for our library to open up. You're going to see. We have all of the important sermons that our founders grew up listening to from the pulpits. And it explains in clear language exactly why our declaration says what it does.

because this is what they heard from the churches all the time. Okay. It was about man's equality before God, not government. It's about conscience being sacred and not for sale. The founders didn't invent those ideas. They were raised on them. What are we raising our kids on? You know, they heard them on Sundays,

and then they live them on Mondays, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. They taught them to their children every day. That's what made our revolution different. from France or from Russia or any other uprising in in history. It wasn't driven by revenge. It wasn't driven by envy. Wouldn't you like to be a part of something that is driven by goodness and hope? Man, I would.

Something that is anchored in truth. And something we can share, the understanding we all share, you know, freedom with virtue. Freedom, look, I don't have to regulate you. If you regulate yourself, I won't. You don't regulate me. I won't regulate you. But if you have freedom without virtue, it's chaos. And virtue without freedom becomes tyranny.

But the people didn't understand that. That's not what they were debating. They just believed in something that the king was not greater than God. And he couldn't take away their rights because God gave them the rights. That was enough. Just that was enough to have the center hold. do we even believe that now because we need something where the center can hold god gave gave us these rights no king no dictator no trump no Biden can ever take those

away we're in a similar storm right now division distrust fear everything seems to be breaking down and the same arguments are being shouted I mean we call them bars now but taverns, dinner tables. It's funny because the difference isn't the problem. The problem is exactly the same. You go back and as I'm putting these episodes together, I'm realizing the problems are exactly the same. It's the people that are different. We have rage, but too little conviction.

We have protest, but where are the principles? We have all kinds of information, but where is the wisdom? We've forgotten what they remembered. That ideas, not anger, ideas sustain liberty. This thing didn't happen. The revolution didn't succeed because everybody agreed. It succeeded because enough people believed. And maybe that's the lesson for us now.

We don't need to get everybody on board. We don't. Just enough. Just enough people to stand for truth. Enough people that will agree with just that one principle, All men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, and nobody can take them away. Nobody can change them. I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat.

It's always wrong to try to take away those rights. If we could just get that and enough people to pass it on, that's enough for the center to hold again. That should be our work. That's going to be my work for the rest of my life. I love the headline that came out last week. I said, Glenn Beck is hoarding artifacts in mountain vaults. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm hoarding them.

How can you hoard artifacts that you're telling you're going to be sharing with the world? You know, I'm lending along with David Barton and Mercury One, the American Journey Experience Library. We're sharing these artifacts and we're lending them to Prager You, because Prager You is doing something on the road and sharing American Him. history all next year. And I don't care who gets the credit. Nobody cares who gets the credit.

Prager, you is doing it. Great. Put them out on the road. What do you need? And we are sharing some amazing artifacts. And they're going to be on the road and they're probably going to come to a town near you. And you should see them because the American story is being told.

And once we connect, reconnect with the American story, once we truly understand it, not memorize the dates and the wars and the, you know, the battles in this guy's name and when he died then. But the point of it all, when we understand the point of it all, America's going to fix itself so quickly. It'll be astonishing, astonishing. All right, more in just a second. There are moments in history when evil, you know, doesn't even try to hide.

And we're in one of those moments right now. You can see it in the nude. Jewish students targeted on campus, synagogues, defaced, families threatened, simply because they are who they are. I read a headline today about a Jewish tourist in New York who was beaten so badly. I think he has brain bleed, I think I read. It just happened on the streets of New York. It was like, is this like, I don't know, Europe, 1935?

What is happening? The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, the IFCJ, is standing in that gap to make sure we don't go there again. And they're providing shelter for families who are in danger, food for the hungry, hope for survivors of persecution that have nowhere else to turn. And when a crisis erupts, whether it's war or terror or hate, they're already there on the ground, meeting needs before the rest of the world even notices. Stu, did you see that we're now talking about leading the peacekeepers in Gaza? I'm not for that. Are you for that? No, I thought it was supposed to be Arab partner nations that were doing that. Uh-huh.

Yeah, it's apparently us in like Egypt. No, I'm not for that. I didn't, uh, hold on. Nope. I do not want any of our troops down on the ground in Gaza. None of them. I'm not, we're paying to rebuild Gaza? No.

No. If that's the plan, you've lost me. I want it done by private individuals. I want it done by other countries, not by us. But I do want to be there for people. I do want to help them. So if we want our government to do less, then we have to do more. Join IFCJ in their effort, will you?

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do it for you. This is Glenn Beck. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. Well, it's Election Day all over the country, but especially in New York where Mom Donnie is the guy. Yay! Tomorrow, big celebration. Free grocery stores are finally coming to New York.

Yes. I've always wanted. Usually, you have to get free groceries in New York. You have to steal stuff like most of the... Well, it'll still be. that. It'll still be that. You can still do that, but you can now steal from the state, which is nice. Yeah, I mean, look, he's the overwhelming favorite, probably around the prediction markets say it's about a 90% chance. If you really want some hope, you can look at one poll that came out that has it pretty close. There's legitimately, almost every poll has it in an double-digit situation. Again, this is assuming your hope is one of the worst people humanity has ever produced, Andrew Cuomo. he's only a few points behind in one singular poll. I would not hold that much hope, though, for that one.

It does seem like Mamdani is going to dominate tonight. At least that would be the most likely outcome. Though it looked like he was going to lose the primary. So if you have hope for Cuomo, I suppose, there's some there. I would say it's limited. I would not bet my life on it, that's for sure. Not to mention, like, you know, does this guy really, should he be rewarded? You know, that's a question that you really have to ask.

and wonder if it's a good thing that civilization in and of itself rewards either one of these two fellows. I would say, I would argue, no. Mom, Donnie's going to win, and he's going to win because people are tired of the same-o-samele. And that's why the Republicans have got to, I mean, they already did with Donald Trump, but, you know, looking to 2028, you've got to look at a different role. I mean, you've got to look at somebody who is. dynamic, who is young, who has constitutionally based ideas that can remold the future, not the same old politician. I mean, they are so done with the old politicians.

I mean, I've been done with them before they were old, but now they're all old and the Chuck Schumers of the world. That's, that's just, I mean, it looks like a time capsule, doesn't it? And I think that's why Mamdani is, is winning. because he doesn't look like he belongs in a time in a time tunnel or a time capsule. You know? And it's fascinating to me how the facts don't seem to really even matter. What he's actually for and what he's actually doing, I don't think people even really know or care.

Yeah, I think it's vibes. There's a lot of it that's vibes. Right. It's vibes. Did you happen to see the very unfunny Saturday Night Live? sketch they did. No, I've missed that since about 1997. Yeah, okay. So this is more recent than that. Yeah, it's about this election. So yeah. But it aired this weekend. And of course, it was the typical thing that

SNL does, which is the the quote unquote criticism, the thing that was funny about Mom Donnie, what would it be? I mean, there's a million things you could point to, right? That would be funny about Mom Donnie. We've made many of the jokes. Their joke was the other candidates couldn't pronounce his name. That was what was supposed to be funny about Mom Donnie. Oh my gosh.

And he smiled a lot. Right. Like, and I will say is candidacy. They want him as a guest next Saturday. That's what's going on. They want him as a guest to host next Saturday. That's what, and, and that you guarantee it. Special guest host, Mom Donnie.

Or at least he pops on as a, as a special guest. Would not be surprised at all. Like the good old fashioned, you know, the crazy thing they do on SNL when the person who's being impersonated is in the middle of his impersonation and the real person walks up behind him. And comedy assumes. And comedy ensues. They're not going to run a...

They don't need to write a funny line because, of course, it's just funny in and of itself. And that's what we'll probably get next week. Hilarity is their middle name. It's going to be interesting to see how the rest of the nation's is going to pay for the pain of New York. Did you see what Governor Abbott just said in Texas, which I just love?

He just said, we're going to start a 20% tariff on anybody who's moving. After election night, you're moving to Texas, a 20% tariff if you're coming from New York City. I don't think you could do that, but still. No, I'm sure he can, but it's a great, it's a funny line. And comedy ensues. But maybe I mean can we find a way to make that happen? I mean, I guess if you move tomorrow, you still do get it without the pain.

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But a million people, maybe Governor Abbott was right and saying, there should be a 20% tariff on anybody moving from New York. Today's consequences of this election are heavy, and Stephen Moore is here to tell us what those consequences are going to look like. He is the co-founder of Unleash Prosperity, former Trump Economic Advisor, and he's here to talk about how New York is about to lose its most precious resource. They're citizens.

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look, New York has lost two and a half million people on net of the last 10 years to other states, to almost two and a half million people, which is what four congressional seats right there. And so there's a mass, what's the big story in America, Glenn, right now. And people should go to our website vote with your feet. And you can see, just click on any two states. You can click on New York and you can click on Texas. And it'll show you where the moving vans are going to and from. And also how much money they're taking with them because we know the income of these people as well.

So New York has lost two and a half million people. If New York's, and by the way, half of those people came from New York City. So if they elect a socialist and they raise the taxes again, New York City already has the highest taxes in the United States and North America. So if they raise them again, unquote, the rich, they're not going to be there any longer. And I'll make another prediction to you. Now, look, are you in Texas? Where are you now?

I can't keep track. It's like a shell game. I never really know. I just moved last week. I left my business in Texas because I am never going to de-sever myself from Texas. But I left my business in Texas, but I promised my wife about 400 years ago that someday we would live by the beach. And so we moved to Florida. So I live in Florida, business in Texas.

You move from one no income tax date to another no income tax state. Are you crazy? I'm not doing anything else. I would have, I would have, I would have dug a canal from the Atlantic all the way into Dallas if that was, if it forced me to move to a tax state. Yeah. So anyway, I'm in Dallas today. That's what you guys, go for the same person. But anyway, where are you in Florida?

I'm not saying that on the air, but I will tell you that we're going to have, we're going to have dinner. Stephen, when you get back into Florida, we'll have dinner. Awesome. Okay. Well, anyway, so now I lost my train of concentration, but I think. So we were talking about the people that are moving in the tax base. Yeah, so basically, that's why I believe, look, $1 million is probably a long shot, but I think you're going to see a lot of wealth move out of New York.

Now, here's the thing. You probably are aware of this, but about two months ago, the Texas set up their own stock exchange. So we've had the New York Stock Exchange for 150 years. Now you've got the Texas Stock Exchange, which I believe isn't to Dallas. I believe that if they raise these tax again, you'd pay, you'd pay 17% income tax in New York City. Who's going to do that? By the way, that's on the top of 40% federal tax.

So people will move, and I'll give you one example. You know, Ken Griffin, he's the billionaire who created Citadel. And a big guy, he's a pre-market guy. And he was the single biggest charitable giving in the city of Chicago. He gave to the Art Institute, he gave to the homeless shelters, he gave to the food kitchens and the museums and so on. I mean, he was by far the biggest donor to all of the charities. Well, finally, they kept raising, raising, raising taxes in Chicago. And as you probably know, he moved out of Chicago and he moved to Palm Beach, Florida.

And so then the interesting part of the story is it put a $50 million hole in Illinois budget. one person who, and there's a funny story in the Chicago Crane's business that all of a sudden his shirt is like, wait, why isn't he donating us to anymore? You know, why isn't he? Well, he doesn't live there anymore. And so my point is, you chase the evil rich out of your city and your state, and you pay a high price for that in terms of the employee. By the way, he took several thousand, you know, jobs with him. So when you, when you hear Soke the rich, you know, the rich, you know, the rich aren't, you know, as the old thing goes, the rich aren't rich because they're stupid. Right.

You know, so let me ask you this, Stephen, because it used to be, it used to be that New York was, I mean, was the capital of the whole world. Yeah, yeah, financial capital. Because of the stock exchange, how real is the loss of the New York Stock Exchange is something like the Texas Stock Exchange? Is that something that really could actually happen? Yeah, it could happen. And look, the truth is that the New York Stock Exchange, even today, isn't anything like what it was, you know, 60, 70s, 80s, just like, you know, I mentioned I'm from Chicago. Remember the moving trading places and they're trading the commodities on the Chicago? It doesn't really exist anymore because that's all done by computers, you know, and electronically.

So the trading floors aren't the same as they were. So, you know, Wall Street is just a shadow of what it once was. But what I'm saying is that, you know, today in America, in Dallas, Texas, there are more financial services jobs than there are in New York City. Oh, my gosh. That's amazing. Oh, my gosh. So it's happening. I mean, it's happening.

So how long, how much more, Stephen, how much more can New York take before it's, it's no longer the financial capital? How much more? How many people have to move? to happen for it to really understand, wow, we made a huge mistake here. You'd think they'd have gotten that message already. I mean, one of the things, you lived, you know, when you first did your Fox show back many, many years ago, you were in, you know, New York. And so you're familiar with New York.

And then when was that in the 90s? And when were you in, in 2000, 2000, mid-200, you know, 2005, 2010. Yeah. Because I remember when Rudy, this is an important point. because I know you have a lot of listeners all over the country in New York and New Jersey and the New York area. So when Rudy Giuliani was elected mayor, New York was a mess. And you could see every week, because I was working at the Wall Street Journal at the time, every week you could see the improvement in the city.

He got rid of the crime. He got rid of the graffiti. He got rid of the drug dealers. He got rid of, he lowered the taxes. It wasn't complicated, Glenn. I mean, this wasn't rocket surgery, as my kid would say. This was, you know, obvious stuff. and New York was New York again, and it was booming.

And what's so sad about this election that's happening today is if Mandami wins, they will reverse every single thing that Rudy Jedd. And they will be back in the ditch. How stupid would people be to vote for that? And part of the problem, Glenn, quite frankly, something you know, I've talked about the years is our education system. You have these 24-year-olds who are voting. They think socialism works.

Where? Show me. Where? So what happens if he is elected? I mean, what does it mean to people who have never gone to New York City? Is the loss of New York City to Amman Dani? Is that going to affect everybody else's life? That's a good question.

I mean, you're there in Florida. Florida has gained, I really want people to go to this website vote with your fee because it's amazing. And so Florida, under a great, great, great governor, Randa Santos, and you had a great governor, got before him. Florida, are you ready? You're sitting down going, Florida has imported over a 10-year period, $1 trillion of income from people coming in from other states, $1 trillion. That's the biggest mass migration, you know, ever in the history of this country. And by the way, people are not just leaving New York. You know, another big state they're leaving, going, leaving, California. I think New York is moving to Florida and California is moving to Texas.

losing to Texas, exactly. And so you're just bleeding these blue states. That's why I don't get it. And so the thing that worries me, I was thinking a lot about this the last couple days because, you know, if these states vote wrongly, the only way that New York even survived fiscally is with another massive federal bailout. They're not going to have a tax base. How are they going to pay their bills?

They're not. They're not. And, you know, that's, this is what I've said for a long time. You know, the Constitution's not a suicide pack. And California and New York and Chicago are going to eventually need giant bailouts. And why should I pay for that? I didn't live in those places. I didn't live there for a reason.

Right. Right. That's taxation without representation. I don't want to bail them out. It was, it's their fault they did this. I've always wanted to live in California. I never have because it was insane. I knew that it was not going to work.

So why do I have to pay for it? Bingo. And incidentally, you're right. You can understand why people might leave New York for Florida. You know, you're in Florida. It's beautiful weather in Florida and it rains a lot and cloudy in New York. But how do you screw up California? I mean, California is probably one of the most idyllic places on the planet.

And people are leaving. This is the first time in 250 years. People have been, more people are. leaving California than going to California. That's never happened before. That's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Okay, can you spend some time with me?

Can I make one other point about this? And yet the governor of California is right now the lead candidate to run on the Democratic ticket for president, Gavin Newsom, the guy who, what's he going to run on it? I'll do for America what I did for California? Yes. And so many people will buy into it. I mean, I just, I don't know what's wrong. It's so frustrating because you try to apply logic.

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And that's going to start choking us here soon. How much longer can we stay closed before we start to do some real damage? Well, that's a good question. I mean, this has been a month. I'm probably a bad person to ask this question because I didn't think this shutdown would last more than a few days. I thought they'd come to their sense and realize how stupid this one. And here we are. It's not day two.

It's day 32 or 33, whatever it is. It is important. But we're at a place to where we're shutting things that you can't just, you can't just take a person off of drugs. You know what I mean? You've got to do this logically and slowly. And we're just going cold turkey with cash. And that's not good for the economy.

So, yeah. And I mean, look, I mentioned I'm in Dallas. today. I do a lot of traveling and the, you know, the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport, there are a lot of flight cancellations. That's happening around the country. That's causing havoc, mayhem. By the way, this havoc and mayhem and all the inconvenience, and it's more than inconvenience now, this is what Chucky Schumer wants. He wants this. I know. I know. I mean, my God, he wouldn't even vote to pay the soldiers for God's sake. I mean, this guy's crazy. Well, this doesn't have anything to do with our military?

You know, he's imperiling our national security to score political points. I mean, I'm sorry. I think that's despicable. So what are the permanent things? How long before we can't turn this back? I mean, without real pain. Well, look, I don't want to be too dire. It caused a lot of inconvenience.

It does cause turmoil. But I've lived through these. I probably lived through 20 of these government shutdowns over the last 35 years. it's a stupid way to resolve things, but I will say this. It's very important that Republicans not came in here. So let me just give you a couple numbers here. There's $1.5 trillion of, quote, cuts, unquote. As you know, a cut is just less than the increase that they want, right?

1.5 trillion. That's out over 10 years. Do you know how much the government's supposed to spend on the next 10 years? 80 trillion. So do the math there. It's a two cents out of every dollar, quote, cut. Cut. Again, it's just the cut from the increase that they're.

they want. And Democrats saying, no, you know, people are going to starve to them. People are going to kill people. I was on the show the other day, and this woman said, we will kill people if we pass the Republican budget. Well, they're Nazis. I mean, Republicans are Nazis. I mean, we're always going to die if we cut two cents out of the budget. You know, you've got a situation now where, here's another one, you know, Glenn. There are 42 million, 42 million Americans today on food stamps? That's a disgrace. We're the richest country in the world, for God's sake. We've got 42 million people who need the government and the taxpayer to pay to put meals on their table. I mean, I'm sorry. I think that's outrageous. Most of them are sitting

around watching TV or playing computer games and getting free food, free shelter, free this, free that. I mean, my God, we're going to run out of people paying the taxes. People are saying that's because Trump has just destroyed this economy. I like where we, I mean, look, I think things, we've got a record high stock market. We've got gas is less than $3 a gallon. We've got, you know, the economy over the last six months has grown by 4%. I mean, I think Trump has on a very good path. I'm not a big fan of this tariffs, as you know, I'm more of a free trade guy.

I know. But this guy is pro-business. We're the only country in the world that's growing right now. Japan isn't growing. China's in a recession. Europe is flatlined. So look, I'm proud of what we're doing. And, look, Trump is pro business.

He's pro-America. And so I feel like things are going well for the country. But, you know, 42 million people? There's 7 million jobs out there. Why don't these people get a job? I will tell you that, you know, when you, if you looked during the Biden administration, I mean, it was clowered in Piven. You know, you know this.

We talked about it for years. This is all Cloward and Piven strategy. And during the Obama, I'm sorry, during the Biden administration, that's when, what was it, an extra 10 million got onto the dole? Yeah. Something like that. I mean. And never left.

And never left. And never left. Never left. I mean. You know, why? You know, in example, the food stamps. And I call them food stamps. I don't call them Snap because the food stamps program, remember on Obama?

You and I talked this a long time ago. They were telling people to sign up for food stamps because it, it's a stimulus to your local economy. That's what they said. Yep. Yep. Wait, is everything upside down in America? I'm sorry, how can people actually believe that?

So you can get a handout from the government and still feel good about yourself in the morning because you're helping your local community. I want to ask you about the subprime loans. The subprime and superprime loans are on the rise. The last time I read something like that was like 2007, and it did not turn out well. Can you explain what that means? I'm going to come back here in just a second. I don't need to take a break.

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and a good friend of the show for many, many years. I wanted to ask you, Stephen, about subprime and super prime mortgages. It looks like they're on the rise again. And the last time I saw this was right before 2008, and it didn't end well. Tell me about these. What should we be concerned about or not concerned about?

Well, I think there's no question that there is a housing shortage in the United States. And so the demand for housing is exceeding the number of housing houses that are coming on the market. And that has driven up housing prices year after year after year. So housing is really, really expensive. My wife and I would love to buy a place in Florida. We can't afford it right now. I mean, it's just the prices are so high. So what's happening is for people to have a mortgage, they don't necessarily have the down payment.

You know, they don't have necessarily the income to pay the mortgage payment. So that's why they're getting these subprime loans. And those loans are people oftentimes with low credit scores and so on, and you are correct. Now, look, I'm not saying that we're on the brink of a 2008 collapse of the economy. I do not believe we are, but I do believe that the banks are making riskier and riskier mortgage loans and a large purpose of housing is so expensive now. Why? But wasn't this shortage of housing actually caused by the 2008 crash because everybody got out because there was a glut? And so then nobody wanted to build houses and now we're paying for that mistake?

That is true. And so you go through these cycles. I've got to tell you, though, that I'm on the board of a company called Lightspeed, and we build houses, Glenn, we're a home builder. We build houses with robots, with robots. And we will, when this comes online, probably in the next couple of years, we will be able to build houses 40% faster, 40% cheaper with 40% less man hours. So this revolution that's going on in robotics is going to drive prices down, not up.

So I think, okay, so help me solve this one. That's fantastic, except who's going to be able to afford that house because you don't have a job building that house? Well, because what's going to happen is productivity, you know, that's, you know, we lived through this back, you know, 100 years ago when 30 out of 100 Americans worked on the farm. And now it's two out of American issues. So, you know, people will move on to other kinds of jobs. It's scary. No question about it. I mean, in 10 years, we have 3 million truck drivers in this country

and in 10, 15 years there will be not many at all. So those will all be automated. So, you know, look, I want to make sure your listeners aware of this. This robotics, artificial intelligence revolution is coming a lot faster than people. I think I was in L.A.

about a month ago. And one third of the Uber cars are driverless. already. I know. I know. Stephen I said, I had saying this for years and nobody believed me. I said by 2030, all this is going to be happening. And we might even have AGI by 2030. And everybody said I was crazy. This is, you know, 2005, 2015, 2020. I mean, I've said it for years and oh, no, that's crazy. It's never going to happen. Here it is. Here it is. And we are losing the, the, uh, the white collar workers first. Well, people should A, be prepared for it,

and B, what this means as we move into this, you know, hyper digital age, it's going to be like the internet age, except even faster and more dramatic. And it's, look, it's productivity enhancing. It means everybody can live in a castle.

It'll change the world an amazing way. But when I was a kid, did you ever watch that cartoon show, The Jetsons? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, you're going to have in 25 years, we're going to have flying cars. I wanted to leave enough space there so we could edit it out so we could play it

because people have been saying that for over 100 years and it's never come true. Okay. I'll make, I don't know if I can last minute is 25 years, but I think you know, I know. But the point, it's just exciting. People should not be afraid they should be prepared. I mean, it's going to be an amazing thing. So how do you prepare for that? How does the average person prepare for that, Stephen?

Okay. I'm going to tell you one, the most important thing, we better start fixing our damn schools. We better make sure kids can read and write and do math because you know what? There's not a lot of need for people who are, you know, stupid, right? You know, and the biggest disgrace in America today, we talked about the debt, I think, an even bigger disgrace is we've got kids, schools that are not, we've got 15 schools in Chicago that not one single child can read or write or do math at grade. level proficiency. Why do we even keep those schools open for God's sake? Yeah, it's outrageous. Yeah, I have to tell you, we saw a stat and Stu and I checked it over and over again. We couldn't believe it was true. What was it, Stu, 56% of the American population cannot read above a sixth grade level. It's incredible. And that's, that is the problem of the teachers' unions and the education bureaucracy. And by the way, it's not like we haven't spent more money

on it. We spent more and more money on our education system every year and we get crappy results. hopefully school choice is going to address that as well Stephen that's been a huge development over the past few years are you are you hopeful in that world yes very very but you know what the left is fighting and back against that because you know that for them the schools aren't about the kids they're about the unions yes um as bad for the union stephen i was thinking of of you and a book you wrote which i had remembered was a few years ago in my head but it was actually 11 years ago uh kind of based on the wealth of nations And you've had it about the wealth of states. And you highlighted taxes, energy, you know, worker freedom unions as the reason why certain states perform better. Has that held true? And is it still true today? More so the number before.

So the biggest story in America, I'll say it again, is that the red states like Florida and Texas and Utah and Tennessee are bleeding the blue states dry. And if the blue states don't change, they will die. The blue state, you know, do you know this statistic? For the first time and 250 years, the history of our country, the Northeast is no longer the dominant economic region. Did you know that? I didn't know that. Yeah, New York. You know, think about the Northeast.

It was New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore, you know, Washington, D.C., that whole corridor was the financial and economic and industrial capital of the country. It is no longer the Northeast. You know what region produces the most GDP now? Texas. South. Yep. Texas, Florida, the Carolinas, you know, Tennessee. I mean, I was in Knoxville.

Ever been to Knoxville, Tennessee? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's the fastest growing middle-sized city in the United States. You know why? There's no interest. Tennis. Yeah. Yeah, Tennessee is a great state.

Why is so complicated? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But, you know, the left is taking over Nashville, so they'll eventually destroy the rest of Tennessee. Go ahead. You know, Glenn, this is why there's only one way out for the blue states.

I'm going to say it again. I guarantee you, I'll bet you 10 to one odds, Glenn, that when we're talking three or four years from now, the big issue will be, will the red states bail out the blue states? I think it's going to happen faster than that, but the answer for me, you don't have to have to check. No. Let me ask you this. The thing I'm really concerned about is energy.

And I've talked to the president about it, and he said, we're going to cut all the regulation. We're going to get these power plants up. I am very concerned. This is like something that could cost the Republicans, the election in 2028. The demand on power that is coming and the energy prices that are all. already sky high, especially in these places where, you know, they didn't build power plants. They were shutting them down. Are we moving at a fast enough pace because I'm just not seeing it?

First of all, you're right. The big issue, we're going to, in the next 15 years, we will triple our energy demands, our electric power demands. Meanwhile, what has that, what the Democrats have been doing for the last 20 years? Oh, don't use oil. Don't use gas. You don't use coal. Don't use nuclear power.

Does anyone except Al Gore and this whole world actually think we can run a $30 trillion economy on windmills? I mean, how stupid is that? Really? I mean, these guys are crazy. If you want to decapitate the American economy, take away our energy supply, that's what they did. That's what they did under Biden. But I got to tell you, Trump is all in.

We are producing more oil and guests today in the United States than any time in American history. we need to build 100 nuclear power plants in this country. We can do it. We just need the political world power. By the way, how fast? How fast? It makes no greenhouse gas emissions. Why are they against nuclear power?

I know. Well, they're saying they were dangerous, but right now, the new nuclear power plants, the smaller ones they have, there's no China syndrome. I mean, they are completely self-contained and completely safe. I mean, it's the safest energy ever invented by man. man, you know, in 1950s and 60s it was like that. But now this is Uber safe and very small. Well, one of the most important thing that's happened to the, quote, climate change movement is the declaration that Bill Gates, the third richest man on the planet, who is totally funded that.

And he basically said, you know what? Our doomsday scenario was completely wrong. And he finally realized the way to deal with this is economic progress and technology. Because, you know, we can't teach our kids. We can't balance our budget. We can't keep the street state, but we're going to change the temperature of the planet. Huh? You really think he had a change of heart?

I think he just, I think he was hoping he would have a Democrat in there. And the new world government would be, you know, world economic for him. but when that didn't pan out, he had to change because he's got to have the energy for his own server farms. Well, that may be. That may be, but if you read a statement, it's pretty amazing. I mean, it sounds like people wrote it. You know, I mean, it's pretty amazing. I know.

Curled my hair. I was so angry after I read it because he's not stupid. Well, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I just hope, you know, you're a better man than me. A billion dollar foundation. If he could spend that money on actually helping people rather than taking away their energy, that could do a world of good. well he won't but uh that's a different story steven thank you so much as always great to talk to you my friend we'll see you again you're even more you bet bye bye all right let me tell you about z factor

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I guess there's a lot of interesting races. Like, you know, certainly New York City's interesting. But it does seem like there's a conclusion here that we're all kind of driving into the brick wall of that conclusion at 500. miles an hour. Yes. Yes. The one of the two interesting races. One is the Jay Jones race, which is actually maybe coin flipish between Jones and

Jason Mayaris. That's insane. Yeah. Virginia, you get what you deserve. Yeah. It's insane. And this is one of those situations where Maris was losing for most of this race. And then, of course, the texts come out, the scandal, the Jay Jones thing.

You know, he wants his opponents, you know, kids to be dying in their arms. and that seems to be taken negatively by some of the state. And Meares gets a lead. But Jones has looked better in recent polling and maybe, you know, considering we're at a point where it does seem the other races in the state are going to go toward the Democrats, usually people don't split tickets that often.

Are they getting used to the idea of Jones? So that's a possibility he could win that race. The other one that's interesting, and I have heard no media attention. on whatsoever is the race for mayor in Jersey City, New Jersey. And I, I, the only reason this is interesting, Glenn, it's basically a three-way race. Three candidates are tied for the lead, or at least close to tied for the lead. Two of them you've never heard of.

The third one is Jim McGreevy, who is the former governor of- Governor who went to jail, wasn't he? Like, it was a scandal. No, he was, he left in disgrace because he was having. having sex with men in the parking ride. People will remember. He misunderstood the ride part. That's right.

He read the sign and it said parking ride. He's like parking ride. Yeah. He was scammed out of his gubernatorial reign because of that scandal. Yes. When he came out. You imagine. I mean, really?

He's leading, by the way. There is no shame. There is no shame. Oh, that whole part of the country, we should just saw it off. and just make it its own island. Can we put a moat from New Jersey over to... You're a big moat builder today. This is the second moat you proposed.

We go to West Virginia. Okay. Right? And I think that's enough. We can always expand the moat, but a moat on New England. Just a moat. Just a moat. And we need a billy goat.

underneath the bridge. Three questions. I've got three questions for you. And we make them impossible. Do you see any hope in New Jersey for the governor? No, I generally, again, did you hear my moat thing? No, I pretty much don't have any hope for anybody in New Jersey. No, there's a chance.

And I think that would be amazing. What's the latest poll? Average is the Republican down by three points. That's still... Still within the margin of error. Still within the margin of error. I mean, I am hopeful. Not really hopeful because I've lived in America for a few years,

so I know don't get your hopes up on that one. But it would be great if that happened. No moat, New Jersey. Do that, no moat. Glenn Beck.