The Glenn Beck Program - The REAL Debate Winner Wasn’t on the Debate Stage | Guests: Megyn Kelly & Sen. Mike Lee | 12/7/23

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

As nobody in the media can agree upon a winner of the fourth Republican primary debate, Glenn and Stu discuss who they thought came out on top. Biden's polling is low, but will that remain if Trump is the Republican nominee? Pat Gray joins Glenn and Stu to discuss the performances of the final four Republican candidates as they debate whether Trump should have participated in the debates. Glenn takes calls from audiences to gauge their thoughts on who won the debate. Journalist Megyn Kelly joins to discuss the last Republican primary debate and who she thinks were the winners and losers. Glenn speaks with Alec Torres and Joshua Charles, authors of the book "Persecuted from Within," which exposes how Christians are being persecuted within the church. Sen. Mike Lee joins to discuss government corruption and whether the FBI ignores the Constitution.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Me too. Me too. I think the real winner last night, out of all of him, was Megan Kelly. She was great. was really, really good. She's on a plane today. We're hoping to catch her in between. But she was the winner. This was the best debate. She held everybody's feet to the fire. She asked tough questions. She was fair. She told people, shut up. Nobody can hear you when they were talking over each other. And it ended it. I mean, I thought she was really, really good.

Yeah, really, really good. She, you know, her questions, and this goes back to her previous debate performances as well. They're, they're very well laid out. You might not like the question. And I think that's kind of the point with her. She's trying to ask a question that's going to put you in a difficult position to see what you can do with it. And that's the whole point of these debates. But she was, but she wasn't asking them for a, for liberal reasons.

Right. She was, she was framing all of her questions the way a conservative would want it. There are certain things that we want answered that the liberals don't even understand. Yeah. I mean, if you think about how the left handles these debates, they ask the questions that they care about, which makes sense, right? But they ask, hey, what about January 6 or whatever? Instead, you got questions last night that I think that were substance related. They were actually issue related.

They were policy related. They were important questions that all the candidates needed to answer. Correct. And I thought she did a great job. And, you know, the whole debate overall, I thought, was really good. I mean, maybe it's a low hurdle to clear to say it's the best one of before. Right. Right. But I thought, look, if you take it out of the context of the actual election, which is difficult here to do, I understand it.

You have a candidate who's 20 or 30 points ahead, depending on which state you're looking at. And he's not there. So, I mean, there's a big asterisk to all of this. But you know what? I wouldn't do it either. If I were Donald Trump, I was this far ahead. I wouldn't do it either. I think that's, I don't, strategically I agree with you. Yes. Like if I'm, if I'm.

That's all there is. When you are trying to win, you use strategy and this is the best strategy. Honestly, if I were Donald Trump, I would consider running the campaign that Joe Biden did with an exception of the, you know, one chair and then a big circle around it. And then like 12 feet later, another circle with a chair in the middle. Oh, gosh, remember that? Yeah, it was horrible. What a weird time. But I would just stay quiet.

because everybody is hanging themselves and Joe Biden's economy and his, you know, the way he speaks and just hope that he would be shamed into a debate because we do need a debate between the two of them. Do you think that's really an option for Donald Trump? Because I think he's doing that now at some level with the assistance of the media. The media seems to not really want to be focusing on Donald Trump right now for whatever reason. you know, you talked about this, I think, a couple weeks ago. Yeah.

A former president of the United States was testifying on stand in a trial. And did we see any coverage of it at all? I didn't. Other than a quick maybe mention or headline. Normally, they'd be wall to wall saying how bad this guy is or whatever they want to say. Right now, it seems like they have made the decision, along with a bunch of Democrats, that the person they want to face in this election is Donald Trump. that may very well be a terrible decision for them.

As we saw in 2016, they made the same call, and it didn't work at all. But if they're making that choice, it seems like once we get past the primary, Donald Trump is locked in as the candidate, they're no longer going to leave every word he says on the sidelines. Okay, all right. Unless... Do you believe that? They're dumb enough and out of touch enough to do that. That's a pre-qualifier for sure. Let me give you this.

Comedian Bill Burr. He came out, launched into a rant, and he said, you effing stupid liberals. What are you doing? You're making Donald Trump a martyr, and he's going to come back and win again. And I think that's true. Remember, his poll numbers went up when they started putting him, you know, up as a martyr and going after him. And the left just doesn't understand. You know, this is Chris Christie.

got booed. Do we happen to have that clip? Last thing he said was that Donald Trump wasn't going to be voting. Yeah, he wasn't going to be voting. Right. It was part of his final statement there and he was saying, you know, picture yourself going to the polls in November. One thing you won't be seeing is Donald Trump there because he won't be able to vote because he'll be a felon by then. And the whole place, booed. Yeah. And it's it's because here's what he's missing. If Donald Trump were being tried fairly, he was charged fairly, then it would be a different story. But nobody, most people don't feel that this is anything but a political trial. And so every time you go after him, you make him stronger because people are like, this isn't going to stand.

This is the problem with this country. And I think we can all agree with certainty that that is the effect on Republicans. primary voters. Yes. Like the question is whether that is the effect on general election voters, and that's a much more complicated question. Right now. Especially independence.

You know, right now, this is a good example of this. Right now, Donald Trump's polls look pretty good in the general. You know, they, they look as good or better than any of the other candidates. Right. You know, Nikki Haley's polls have also looked pretty strong, but there's even some polls where Trump's ahead of Haley running in a general election. The issue, of course, with this is we also are showing in these polls. you know, 10 and 12% for RFK Jr.

And you're seeing, you're seeing Cornell West at 2%. When we get further on in this process, what happens? You know, one of the big, if you look at the latest polls on Joe Biden, he is down. These are terrible polls for him. And typically, I think we would all look at that and celebrate, right? Okay, people are waking up, right? This is a good thing. Joe Biden's polls are down.

he's a weaker candidate good, right? That's good. The problem with that is when you look deeper at those polls, one of the reasons you're seeing some of this erosion is because younger voters that are hardcore Democrats are saying, I don't like the way Joe Biden is so pro-Israel. Now, number one, it's possible.

That's just the reality. And they never want to vote. They just go somewhere else. It's possible. But when we get after a couple billion dollars are spent and we are now in October of 2024, do you think those younger voters whose complaint about Joe Biden is that he's too pro-Israel right now are going to come back home? They might just stay home.

And that might be the best thing possible, honestly. Because they're not going to go to Donald Trump. He's pro-Israel. I mean, clearly much more than Joe Biden. So that weakness is, we don't know how real it is. We know that Joe Biden is a weak candidate, but the reason why other candidates on the Republican side

are beating Joe Biden handily is largely because of this type of erosion. Erosion from Democrats, younger Democrats that are not typical Republican voters. So if they come home like they usually do, I mean, we know what happens with these Republican or these third party candidates. Gary Johnson was shown up at 10 and 12% of the polls.

People don't forget that. didn't happen. It never holds. So if that does happen and people say, okay, forget that, I'm going back home, I'm going to Joe Biden, this election's too close. I don't want to throw away my vote. We know these arguments. If that happens, it's going to get much more difficult. I really

believe the only way that happens is if the press brings the half the country back to this place that Donald Trump is Hitler. And I don't know if that works universally anymore. And here's why. Joe Biden conned a lot of people.

The Democrats conned a lot of people that he was going to bring back normalcy. Well, we know this isn't normal. Okay. The country is hurting, both Republicans and Democrats. The country is falling apart, and everybody knows it. So he doesn't have the, well, I'm not going to be him. Right, but you're you. Right. That was his strength in 2020. His strength was to say, I'm not him and look at me. I'm going to return you to the normal times. Right. I'm not going to be crazy and it didn't happen. So there's a lot of people that will just stay home. Unfortunately, if Donald Trump is the nominee, there might be a lot of Republicans that would stay home as well. Although I just don't think that that is as true as everybody wants you to believe.

Yeah, I don't think there's really a problem. with Donald Trump and Republicans. In fact, in some ways... Well, you have the Lynn Cheney's, you know, the Liz Cheney's. Yeah, but that's nobody, right? Right. I think that might actually hurt Biden more. It could. Yeah.

It could. It really could. And, you know, some of these polls to show the RFK thing going both ways, but it seems to be hurting Joe Biden more. I think if you look at where this might go over a long period of time, you just have to factor it in. I think you got to price it in your head. the media is not going to act like they are now during the general election.

That might be fine. I mean, Donald Trump has survived that already. He already had a really negative media and won in 2016. He's already been able to do it. So maybe he'll be able to do it again. But you can't look at the current situation and think this is how it's going to go. I mean, it may very well be also. He goes through these trials and people are so upset about it and think he's being targeted that they all side with him and he wins easily.

Right. Like that's a possibility too. But the media is going to do everything they can once he gets this nomination to take him out. And at some level that's true with these other candidates as well. But with these other candidates, you have the possibility of essentially what the Biden approach was. Look, you guys have just lived through four years of Joe Biden. I won't be him. It's going to be difficult for Donald Trump to make that same argument because he's got that same type of thing built into him.

Everyone's made up their mind on both of these people. You know, Haley, Desantis, have a little bit of more of an opening there. It may come down to the vice president because I think everybody is like, man, if he wins, I don't want Kamala Harris to be the president. That would be a nightmare. And so it may come down to the vice president. If you were doing a draft of who you thought Donald Trump would pick as his VP, who's your first pick? First pick. Again, not who you think it should be,

but who he will pick. I know. This is a tough one. I know. I go back and forth between Ramoswamy and, and, Nikki. Nikki would be smart because she'll pacify

the old guard Republican. And she's a fight. but he's not going to like that. Yeah, I can't. I mean, he obviously put her in his administration. I know, but there's been a deep falling out since then. Ramoswami is still fighting for Donald Trump. Oh, yeah.

So there's no, there's no, there's no light between them at all really at this point. But, you know, and it's interesting because Haley strikes me as a Pence-like pick, right? It's a little bit different, obviously. obviously. But like it's someone who is I think respectable quote unquote would please a lot of those voters who think, you know, Donald Trump is, is, you know, his tweets are too bad and all that other stuff. And that's what he needed in 2016. And could take the job. I don't know that he did. Does he need that in 2024 though? I think it's 20s. He needs someone who could take the job clearly. That's obviously the number one role. But with Pence, he picks someone number one to please,

evangelicals who were very on the fence about Donald Trump early on. And you know, you get somewhat of that with with Nikki Haley. I think you still get, but I don't think that's what he needs anymore. His strength of the evangelicals is through the roof. But he does get that. You get a steady hand feel from Nikki Haley. Ramoswamy, you don't really get that. I like Vivek.

No, but you get a game changer. You get a game changer. And you get a bulldog who will go on television 900 times a day and say and just, argue with passion for every point that Donald Trump makes. And I think Donald Trump would like that. He likes those people. I agree, except Ramoswamy is a star to some degree. Now, that is faded.

People don't like him as much, which Donald Trump would like. He doesn't want somebody that will compete with him. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that's true. He wants, you know, somebody who's solid for certain reasons, whatever, but you work for me. And Ramoswami, I think, could do that. And you're right, he is a bulldog. I would lean towards Ramoswami as Donald Trump's pick.

I have for a long time. I thought that Donald Trump was going to pick him. But I think if Nikki Haley is a strong, you know, number two in the primaries, if she starts to become just a juggernaut next to him, he'd probably be foolish not to take her. We should also point out that precisely zero votes have been cast in the primary. So he has not won the primary yet. No, I know.

And it could all change. Yeah, you're looking ahead a little bit here. But I thought it was an interesting night last night. 888727BECK. We're looking for people that I want you just to judge it based on the last debate. Donald Trump's not there. So just out of those four, did anything change your mind? who won last night?

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I really felt like Vivek just on substance and content, he really, like the specifics that he offered, you know, I felt like people who watch this number four debate really know the issues because you either had to search out, news nation or the blaze. Right. And he really, whether it's reasons he could, you know, do executive orders or ESG, you know, even health care and climate change at the end, I mean, he didn't just give like the political

normal answers. He really gave, you know, substantive answers easy to. understand just out-of-the-box thinking. So I thought he was a winner. I thought he did well on exactly that. Let me give you an example. Here's cut 19 please, why he's the only one. Why am I the only one that can say this? How is it that you think a parent should be able to okay these surgeries, never mind the sterilization of a child? And aren't you way too out of step on this issue to be the Republican nominee. No, I'm not. 19, please.

A little issue with the video here. Sorry, everybody's counting quickly. We're going to run out of time. Yes. Looks like we're having some issue with the machine or whatever. Okay. But can you describe the clip? Yeah, he said, he brought up all of the things

that I think a lot of hardcore Republican voters are talking about. He's like, why am I the only one on stage saying January 6th is an inside job. Why am I the only one? Why am I the only one talking about cryptocurrency?

It cannot happen. Why? And he wasn't on that. Why am I the only one saying the things that I'm saying? And he last night, again, like global warming, brought up a lot of stuff. The

problem with it is he's lost his likability. He he's not as funny as he thinks he is when he's in these debates. That's the problem. All right, your phone call. Coming up in just a second. Stand by.

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last night who who won the press uh can't decide uh last night without giving you any names there were three people on the stage that i would consider voting for president uh it's It would be hard to figure out which one I wouldn't consider. Megan Kelly? Nope. Nope. I'd consider her as president. So three of them on stage I'd consider.

Last night, my order shuffled. Hmm. And I thought. Biden won. Marianne Williamson two? No, she wasn't on stage. They weren't on stage. I know you're, they don't count.

They're number one and two for you. And the way I look at this is, Not who am I going to vote for? Who is the one that needs to go up against Donald Trump? Okay. So make the decision on these four last night that are left in the race. And then you have to go, okay, that person or Donald Trump. Right.

So just based on the people on stage last night, my order shuffled. My number one changed. Hmm. And you were not going to name. Who your number one is? Mm-mm. Oh. No.

It might change again. Well, first of all, we all know if Glenn names that person, that person will lose. Yes. So that we know. Very true. Very true. The kiss of death. It was Chris Christie.

All right. So Pat joins us now. Pat, what did you think last night? I thought Descentus won as he has every time. Every time. I think he's a great combination of decently spoken, good policies, good policies, good looking candidate has a solid story to tell about what he's done in Florida. I mean, he's good. I don't understand how people are like, I don't like when he smiles. And last night, he didn't

smile at all and I don't like that. You're like, what do you? Well, you can't win with some people. I know. Yeah. There's just going to be people who stick to their Trump thing or their Nikki Haley thing or whatever. It's hard to come up with a case, for me at least, against Ron DeSantis. I think he should be the one to take on Trump. Let them battle it out. Let's see. Those would be my two choices. How did Nikki do?

I dislike her. I dislike her with all the intensity of probably about a million away. So I thought if you were a Nikki Haley fan, I thought the thing that there were a couple things that I just didn't think she did well on. One, you don't take money from Black Rock. Right. I just don't care. That's like taking money from Hamas. I'm going to say no to that.

I'm going to say no to that. You wouldn't take the Hamas box? I would not take the Hamas box. Come on now. Pretty picky. Yeah, I know. You just don't take money from Black Rock. And you also don't take it from one of the largest donors to the Democratic Party.

You just don't do it. She can't control taking it. To be fair, that one goes to. I don't want those people. I went to a super pack. I have nothing to do with that super pack. She did not announce it. I would urge them to turn it back.

That'd be the way to do it. She instead said, yeah, I like it. I'll take money from anybody. I won't. Yeah, that's rough. And one of the reasons why is she doesn't have any money. This is the issue with Nikki Haley is like she's come up in the polls, but she doesn't have a fully built out campaign. Megan Kelly said yesterday on her show,

that she just, that Nikki Haley just ran her first ad. Not like her first ad in Iowa or her first ad in South Carolina. Her first ad. The first ad of the campaign. Wow. She just started running ads. Wow.

That is, you know, look, a campaign that's not fully built out. Now, she's had other things that she's done that have obviously worked. I mean, like, it's not to say that you can't win a campaign without running ads like this. But I just, I find it. You know, she, to understand her relation to the, to the other candidates, when it comes to money is important. She's desperate for it. Her campaign really needs cash. And I'm not excusing this.

I think it's, it's, but it does explain it a little bit. When did she and Chris Christie fall in love? When did that happen? Oh, I thought, I thought this was bad when Chris Christie, um, defended her. Yeah, so weird. And defender her, she should have said, excuse me, Chris. Stop mansplaining. Yeah.

I can take care of myself, fight my own battles. She should have said that. I thought it made her look weak at that moment. It seemed like that might have been a, I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seemed almost like that was a pitch for Christy. Hey, I'll be your vice president. It could be a good pick. What do you think about me?

I'm pretty good at these debates. I think so too. Maybe I'm the attorney general. What do he got for me? That definitely felt that way to me watching it. It was weird and insincere because why? Well, you know, everyone loves to beat up on Vivek in these things because they see him as the wrestling heel, right? The one, everyone can go up and be like, that's the bad guy.

We can all go after him. Everyone has this. Look how well spoken he is. Yeah. That's terrible. Right. He never says, um, or like. Why?

Why? He's not even human this man. He's a Venturianturian candidate. But it does seem like that's, that was part of it too. Chris Christie has to be able to yell at someone. most of the audience likes DeSantis, you know, good chunk of the audience likes Haley, and the good chunk of the audience likes Trump.

And Trump's not there. He's got to yell at somebody. He wants to yell at Trump. I wish he was there. No, I know. I mean, I actually think, I don't think so. Why? He should be answering the same questions they are.

This is a different time. He should do it when it's, you know, between him and one other person. I would never strategically. I would never do that. Never do that. First of all, you know who Trump is. You know who he is. I do, but I want to hear him answer certain questions. Like?

You know, you've criticized Ron DeSantis on his performance during the pandemic. What about yours? You didn't hire, you didn't fire Anthony Fauci. I'd love to hear about that. I'd love to hear where he is on Ukraine and Russia, on Israel and Hamas. I mean, there's a lot of... There's a lot of things

that he doesn't really talk about or have to address. His abortion stance? His abortion stance? I mean, you know, Nikki Haley mentioned you know, the $8 trillion of debt. That's suboptimal.

No, no, it is. Suboptimal. Those are things that's a good word of that. No, there are, look, there are downsides, but if I'm Donald Trump, if you're Donald Trump, do you step on that stage?

It's a little bit of Ted Williams on the last day of the season. You know, hitting 400. It is like that. You know, it's like I get why they'd offer him. Hey, Ted, you could just not play today. You'll hit 400. It'll be amazing.

But like I kind of liked the idea of that Ted Williams goes out and goes, what, three for five on the last day and hits 402. I want the person who's going to be like, yeah, he played. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the end of the Ted Williams story. Welcome to the 70-year-old story. Yes, yes. But I did.

You know. So Ted's dead. He's gone. We lost him. We lost him. We lost him. A little more generous. Ted doesn't feel good.

Oh, we lost him. Okay. It would be, if I was Donald Trump's campaign manager, I would be telling him every day, whatever you do, please don't say yes to one of these debates. I would because I would think to myself, strategically, what is the point? But as an American, as a conservative, as a voter who actually cares about this stuff, I'd like to hear him. You've asked him a lot of these questions, Glenn, in interviews, right?

I have. He has answered a lot of these questions. But it's a different thing to be pressed by other candidates that are going against you. And I think it would be interesting. You just know how it's going to end. But good. Shut up, fat head. I mean, it's just going to.

You're not going to get that answer. You'll get that answer in a one-on-one. I mean, you know, we have had interviews with him. When I have 15 minutes with him, it's impossible. No, because he answers two questions. Right. If I go out and it's 90 minutes, I get an answer. He'll give me those answers.

Look, I agree. And I don't, I understand I totally get it. Like his, the purpose of this primary for Donald Trump is to win the primary. Correct. You know, and so I get it. I understand why he would. And he's probably already done that. It certainly looks like he already won the primary.

Remember Howard Dean. Howard Dean, I mean, we went through this last night. Yeah. Howard Dean had a huge lead. Yeah. Late in the campaign, Mike Huckabee was at something like 10%. Rick Santorum was at like 5% at this point. Ted Cruz was only in the low double digits at this point.

I think he had 14% at this point. So, I mean, it's certainly possible. It's not, I mean, you know, the amount of people who actually vote in the caucus is a different process, the amount of people who actually vote in Iowa. And the split is about 20, the last poll that came out with something like 22 points, Trump's lead. So that's not insurmountable in six weeks. But the problem is. It was DeSantis and I think it was 25 or 26 over Haley. Okay.

So here's the thing. I just, I, the difference between, um, Dean and all the others and even Ted Cruz is those numbers were, yeah, they were totally different. Those numbers were up and down. Donald Trump's numbers. It's been very solid for months. It's, look, it's, it's, it's, I only bring that up because to point out it can happen. It's not the same situation. You know, Rick Santorum, uh, was not running against a, a guy who was president for four years, right?

Like, I mean, it's a totally different situation. But again, you know, Donald Trump didn't win Iowa in 2016. No. You know, I mean, it might not be his strongest state. And, you know, he won. He was all. Did he win in New Hampshire and he won in South Carolina? He did.

I think so, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I've never seen somebody win those three states. Oh, it looked. Or two of the three and not become the president. There's only two contests that actually matter going in. Number one is Iowa. If DeSantis can win Iowa, he can maybe turn that into a run and try to do well in these other states and stay in the race. And then if he loses, I think if DeSantis loses Iowa, it's over for DeSantis.

I think he has to win Iowa, in my view. I mean, maybe if he was super close in second place, that would be okay. But I think he has to beat Trump in Iowa. And then you go to New Hampshire, and that's where Haley gets to make her stand. Because if Haley can win New Hampshire, the next state's South Carolina, which does, does mean, you know, it gives her a little bit of life there. There's an argument to make... You've got to win one of the first two. Yeah, you really, I think, and if, but if Trump wins Iowa, Trump wins New Hampshire, with the exception of like they decided to throw him in a gulag or something,

which is obviously something we need to consider at this point in this country. Yeah. Other than that, it's pretty much over. But again, no votes have been cast, and we have to keep coming back to that. It's important. Pat, we were just talking about throwing him in a gulag. I think that works to his advantage. Oh, yeah. The Goolog candidate? In the general election, you think in a gull. In the primary, it works to his advantage.

In the primary. The primary definitely works to his advantage. But I mean, I'm not sure. Especially if they try to keep him off ballots, which, you know, Colorado lost that battle, apparently. And hopefully every state would. But we'll see. I mean, if you keep him off the ballot, I'm just, I mean, I just, it's so crazy

that they keep calling him the authoritarian. I know. When they're doing all, they're trying to keep. keep him off the ballot. Oh, but they love democracy so much. I know, I know. They just loves democracy so much. They want no other candidates on the ballot.

Just crazy. Just absolutely crazy. All right, Pat, thank you so much. All right. Ladies Bowl, by the way, I just mentioned, 45 for Trump, 22 DeSantis 19 Haley. So a 23 point lead. But that is, I mean, you know, give me New Hampshire and South Carolina.

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Hello, Thomas. Hello, Thomas. How are you? Hi, Glad. I'm Thomas. Hi. And I'm in New Jersey. Right. And something's wrong with our phone system.

I tell you what he's saying is I think Ron DeSantis stood his ground. All right, Thomas Stand-in, thank you very much. Can we go to Carol in Michigan? Hello, Carol. Hi. Hi. How are you? I'm good.

Good. What did you think last night? I think Ron DeSantis won. Now, was this something that you were solid on going in or not? I liked him. I liked everything that he has said up to this point. and to this point. Yeah.

He clarified everything where you could actually understand what he did and what he will do because he's done it already. He doesn't shy from saying that he's going to do it. Yeah, I thought he put in a very strong performance last night. Thank you so much, Carol. John, Ohio. Hi, Glenn. Hi. Who did you like going in or were you sold on anyone going in?

and then did anything change last night? I went in as a Ron DeSantis supporter, and I came away even more of a Ron DeSanta supporter because when he was on stage, you can tell that he has a vision and he keeps demonstrating that not only does he talk to talk, but he walks the walk. And I'll say that as far as Ron DeSantis,

what he demonstrated last night is that he's a man of merit. And I know that resonates with you, Glenn, because you've always talked about George Washington and the merit of courage, and you've written books about him. And he is the only time. candidate on stage, off stage, in this entire race, who you can say he's a man of merit. When you see him talk on stage and what he's doing and why he's doing it, it's never about

himself. It's never about his retribution, his vendetta, trying to make a star out of himself. He has a clear vision, a clear mission and purpose for the American people and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which is what everything, I guess, conservative media or conservatives have purportedly have always wanted the last several years or decades or such, and we have him on stage and he won hands down, no question. Thank you so much. I appreciate it, John. I tell you, I think last night we had some of the best candidates the Republicans

have had, you know, maybe in my lifetime. I mean, since Reagan, but think back to the Bob Dole years and the, you know, and the George Bush years. I mean, you have strong candidates. who are willing to take a stand. It's hard for me to agree with that after Doug Bergam dropped out. I'm sorry. I know.

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The Glenn Beck Program. Hey, sick, Twisted Freak, welcome to the Glenn Beck program. We are taking your phone calls today. The media is all screwed up. They have no idea who won. I want to hear from you, who won the debate last night. If you were one of them that could find Superstation WGN and you could, you watched it on television, I'd like to hear from you or if you're a Blaze TV subscriber. It was pretty easy to find it here. at Blaze TV. We want to hear, what did you go in with and what did you come out with? Was anybody's mind changed or solidified? Mine wasn't necessarily changed, maybe the order, but it was very close in my mind, but it was absolutely solidified last night.

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Well, tonight is the first night of Hanukkah, classic Jewish holiday that answers the age-tested formula. they tried to kill us. We're still here. Let's have a donut. Yes. That's an official description? It is. Well, fried dough, yeah.

Hanukkah involves eight days of eating large amounts of fried food or fried dough. And that's not a joke. And that's why I'm considering. I don't know. Maybe we should put a little more emphasis on the Jewish side of Judeo-Christian. You know, we get donuts. Anyway, it's also an odd holiday. Its story has no book.

The books of Maccabees exist, but they are not in Jewish canon. They were actually preserved by Christianity. And when locking that canon, the sages apparently felt uncomfortable with the books of Maccabees. Not because they weren't relevant, but most likely because they were too relevant. It risks making waves at the time when Jews were again dependent on the mercies of others. So on Hanukkah, candles are lit for eight days, and it commemorates the miracle of one day's pure oil burning for eight days, the miracle of the oil. When the Maccabees re-consecrated the temple in Jerusalem, it burned for eight days. but the real story actually has to do with that as much as Christmas has to do with trees and presents.

And this relates to everyone, especially those in America today and those in the Western world. It takes place in the mid-second century, B.C.E. Sometime after Alexander the Great, the Greeks were ruling the known world, including the backward corner, still known then as Judea. polytheistic culture dominated. And first it was just toleration for local religion and custom. And then less and less until eventually the local Greek overlords tried to erase Judaism. Oh, again. And they tried to force people to worship idols.

And the king thought that everybody ought to worship his idols or die. And that's usually how it runs. First, you're told, you need to tolerate this. And who are you to say otherwise? And if you tolerate them, then we'll tolerate you. I promise. I pinky promise. Then you're told that your God is not really God.

And their God is not worse than any other God. Certainly it's not your intolerant God. So pipe down. Then you're told, bow down to the idol along with everybody else. else, right? Familiar yet? This happens every time the world tries this. Many of the Jews at the time went along seeking refuge through assimilation into the dominant culture. See Germany as an example. But then some of the extremists went and spoiled the game for everybody. One of the priests said, no. And he and his sons took to the hills starting a hopeless revolt

against the mighty Greeks, except it wasn't so hopeless. In the words of the holiday prayer that begins tonight, God gave victory to the few over the many, and the revolt actually succeeded in restoring Jewish sovereignty and the rededication of the temple. For a brief time, the book continues on with the cautionary tale about what happens when too much power is accumulated in one person, even if they start out as noble and a victor for a righteous cause. Here's a hint, a story doesn't end well. Through the centuries now, Jews have correctly, I think, read this story against

dissimulation into the current dominant culture at the cost of the abandonment of Judaism. Also, to teach that Jews should stick with God, even when that may be dangerous. I'm going to show you, if you happen to be watching Blaze TV, I want to show you a very famous picture in a Berlin window. This was taken in 1931, and it's a picture of a menorah in the front of a window. The house is owned by, was owned by a rabbi. And he put the mandora in the front window. Antisemitism was starting to run rampant. But he didn't. He didn't. He didn't, he did, he decided, I'm not going to hide my light and he put his menorah right in the front window. The reason why this picture is very, very famous is because that window faces in the picture.

You'll see a swastika and a banner of the Nazis across the street. It's not just a banner with a swastika across the street. Okay. that is the swastika and banner that marked the Nazi headquarters. So this was the headquarters of all the Nazis and across the street lived a Jew. And he was like, yeah, yeah, it's nice and everything. But I'm not afraid of you. It's an amazing, amazing picture.

By the way, on the back of that snapshot on the original, it says, The flag says death to Judaism. The light says Judaism will live forever. It's an amazing picture. Now, Hanukkah is the story, and this is why it's so important to all of us, is the story of the few against the many, those who should get crushed like bugs facing down the mighty empire and somehow or another coming out on top. Why? Because the cause is just and they stand on the right side.

1776, anyone? Rebels against the Galactic Empire, good versus evil, David versus Goliath. The kind of story that we tell, we seek out again and again again because it stirs something deep inside all of us. This is our story, or it can be. And it might have to be. the story that tells us yes, sometimes everyone else can be wrong. That maybe you can be right, even if you're standing all alone and you've scared the piss out of yourself.

That just because the majority, even the overwhelming majority goes along, doesn't make it right. The story of Hanukkah is the story of the culture being overtaken by the spirit of the age, which turns out always to be a lie and an evil lie. It tells us that deep within, we know, all of us know, when it's a lie, deep down, when we're told there's settled consensus or whatever it is. And we're the only primitives to hold out because an unborn baby is not a person.

That man is a woman if he says so. You know, there are just too many humans. We have to get rid of some of the useless ones, you know, for their own good and the good of the planet. We know deep down when somebody is telling us there is no God, no meaning to your life, only submission. And how do we know it's true? How do we know that's a lie? We know it when we remember the light. the light that Jews all over the world will kindle tonight

should speak to us, all of us, because the light is the refusal to quit, to give up when there's no hope. Even though the darkness is everywhere, you might be the last spark in sight, the last priest who will just not bow down to the idol, the last one who will just not stand aside, won't stand down, won't sit down, won't shut up, even when told,

the alternative is destruction, it's oblivion, it is death. Don't you dare put that candle in that window? Don't you know there are hundreds of Nazis and all of the leaders of the Nazis? In the building directly across the street, what are you doing? You know when somebody says, sit down and shut up or will destroy you. You know the exact reverse is true, that giving in means oblivion and death and worse. It means the loss of what is most precious about our existence here on earth. The loss of meaning, the extinction of everything that is true,

the desertion of our reason for being to be a light against darkness, to stand for what's good and true. And you know that standing up means life itself, even if others are threatening death. Maybe you'll pay a price. The spark I bear will always live. This Hanukkah, this holiday season, I rejoice at the opportunity to bear the spark. Now of all times, that spark says, I'm alive here and now. I'm here precisely to do this, and so are you.

That spark that you light will say the same thing. I'm not alone. I have a power that is stronger than all the powers on earth. I know who I am. I know whose light I bear. Every night of Hanukkah, Jews all around the world, light one more candle. And the light grows.

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Well, let's go to the phones. 888727BECK. Last night we watched the debate. I thought it was very good. The big winner I thought was Megan Kelly. She ran the tightest, best debate that we've had out of, you know, all four of them. This was by far the best. I think we learned the most from this one.

Unfortunately, it was probably the least watched. But I'd like to hear what you went in with. And did your viewpoint solidify or change at all? Let me go to Omar in Washington. Hello, Omar. Hey, Glenn. Good. How are you? I'm good. First, I'd like to commend you on your bravery and wearing that wonderful scarf you have on today. Is that brave?

Is that brave? Yeah, yeah. Okay, good. Pretty cool. All right. Thank you. Second, I just want to say that I really thought that took it. He really spoke to a lot of things that I think the corporate media is just, not paying any attention to. I think you really resonated with a lot of people.

Even though the media won't ever actually come out and see that. Yes. Well, they actually came out. I think it was the New York Times that said, you know, he's crazy and, you know, he was into conspiracy theories. Let me get play cut 19, please. Let's not do this again. Cut night.

Do we have it? I think the real enemy is not Donald Trump. It's not even Joe Biden. it is the deep state that at least Donald Trump attempted to take on. And if you want somebody who's going to speak truth to power, then vote for somebody who's going to speak the truth to you. Why am I the only person on the stage, at least, who can say that January 6th now does look like it was an inside job?

That the government lied to us for 20 years about Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11, that the great replacement theory is not some grand right-wing conspiracy theory, but a basic statement of the Democratic Party's platform. that the 2020 election was indeed stolen by big tech, that the 2016 election, the one that Trump won for sure, was also one that was stolen from him by the national security establishment. Okay. Thank you. The Trump-Russia collusion hoax that they knew was false. There's a reason why I'm the only person on the stage you can say these things.

That's what it's going to take, not people who are licking his boots one time, and now Monday morning quarterbacking him and criticizing it's convenient. That was a very bold statement. I thought, a very bold statement. Is that what you're talking about, Omar? Yes, absolutely. He really didn't pull any punches. And he really took it to the people who needed to hear that.

Thank you so much, Omar. I appreciate it. You know, look, I like Vivek. We've had him on the show a bunch of times, you know. But he has a weird 9-11 hang up that bothers me. I don't, he's brought it up a bunch of times. Who's talking about 9-11 right now? He keeps bringing it up.

He, you know, he, he has done this several times. I don't know that he's even saying what he actually believes. It seems like it's more than he's saying. So, no, wait, wait, wait. Not only goes on Alex Jones's show, but then has Alex Jones come on his show? All right, so hang on, just a second. I don't know, man. What is he saying, though?

Tell me, give me a list. Wait, wait, wait, give me a list of what he just said. What were the things he just said? I mean, you listen to the same. clip I have, but January 6th was an inside job. Which again, we can talk about that one if you want, but 9-11,

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And that the Intel agency actually was the one that stole the president. And that was the one that stole the president. on a legitimate election. All he's saying is the same thing over and over again. The Intel Deep State is out of control,

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and they're trying to make everybody that is on the right into some sort of fascist. But let me give you a poll here. Majority of voters now prefer the Reagan model of Reaganomics to Biden's. This is the latest Rasmussen report. By a 50 to 38 margin, likely voters say they prefer a smaller government with fewer services and lower taxes. Now, the reason why this is important is if you want a small government, you can't be a fascist because a small government won't have the controls that a large government has. When asked, does the government spend taxpayers' money wisely and carefully? 72% say no, 16% say yes, and by a 14 point margin, most voters still prefer limited government.

Republican voters, 74% overwhelmingly prefer a small government with fewer services and lower taxes, as do 30% of the Democrats. Listen to that. 74 of the Republicans, 74%. Small government for the Democrats? 30%. and those who are independent, 55%. Majority of Democrats, 58% prefer a more active government with more services and higher taxes, as do 21% of the Republicans and 32% of unaffiliated voters. Democrats, 31% are much more likely than Republicans, 10%, and unaffiliated voters 6, to say government spends taxpayer money wisely and carefully.

I'm shocked that those numbers are that high. We go to Megan Kelly, who is calling us, I think probably from the airport. Hi, Megan. Hi, Glenn. How are you? I'm great. I'm tired, but good. I bet you are.

Last night, I said when I first got on today, that the big winner last night, I thought was you. You were spot on. You asked really tough questions, but you phrased them in a way that you, conservatives, you know, want to ask them. I thought you were fair, tough. And when you said, nobody can hear any of you, everybody shut up. You ran a tight ship. You did a fantastic job last night.

Thank you so much, Glenn. You know, for me, watching some of the earlier debates was very frustrating because I knew that there was a way of controlling them. You know, it was clear to me. There was a way of controlling them. And if you, I have a report with a lot of. all these guys, same as you do. You know what I mean?

They know you. If you were out there, they would respect you. They know you don't hate them. You're not trying to hurt them. You're trying to foster a great debate, good TV. And so when we had that opening exchange, for me, it was fun because it was kind of like, what I imagined, it's like to be in the NBA where you're kind of passing the ball behind your back and somebody catches it with ease and they go.

Like, we kind of got into a rhythm where I'm like, you go and we'd make eye contact. like, I'm coming to you. And that's what I hated about the NBC debate is they just, they didn't let the candidates debate each other. I don't want to hear a Kristen Welker interview of Nikki Haley. Yes. I want the other candidates to talk to Nikki Haley. So anyway, thank you for saying that it was a relief for me to get out there and let them,

let them let it rip. So who did you think was the big winner and the big loser? Well, I mean, with all respect to her, I thought Nikki Haley lost last night. because she shrunk away. Like, she was not really a presence. And she's been increasing her poll numbers by getting out there and being pugilistic. And that version of her did not appear on the stage last night.

I thought, Ramoswamy, if you didn't like him, he became even more unlikable to you. If you love him, he became even more lovable to you. I thought Ronda Sanders had his best debate yet. And so I think you could probably say he's the winner because he's in the best poll position of the four, and he not only didn't hurt himself, although there was one bad exchange. He didn't hurt himself. He actually did help himself. He was tougher than we've seen, and I think that's the DeSantis we fell in love with back when, you know, he was battling nasty reporters during COVID. Chris Christie, look, same, same rule for him as Vivek. If you're one of the 25% of Republicans

who likes Chris Christie, you probably said, yeah, good. Now, screw Trump. He did his thing. You know, We're on Team Christy. And if you are one of the 75% who doesn't like him, you probably enjoyed watching some of the other candidates get into it with him and some of the questions that the moderators have. I have to tell you, we were watching it as a team last night, and we all cheered when you went to Chris Christie on transgenderism. We were like, oh, this is going to be good. This is going to be good. You know, can I tell you? And he tried to tell me that I didn't have my facts right on my second question.

And, of course, I did. And he was misleading. But those are the two questions I showed up to ask, Glenn. I'm like, you know how much work goes into these things, right? Every single question we ask takes hours and in some cases days. You know, you have to research so much and you craft it and you recraft it and so on and so forth. And as you know, this is an issue that's near and dear, not only to my heart, but to most conservative's hearts. And he's been so weak on it.

he is too radical on this issue to be the Republican nominee, in my view. This is way out of step with where the Republican Party is. And it was the one reason I wanted him to make the debate. I prayed. I prayed to the God and all the angels above. Please, please let him make it. Last night, I thought there was one weird moment with Chris Christie, and I think it really did not look good for for Nikki Haley.

When Chris Christie came out and tried to defend her, that was nice and everything, but I think she should have turned and said, I don't need a man's help here. I'm fine. I don't need anybody's help. I can defend myself. The way she kind of looked down as he was saying that,

I thought it made her look weak, and she's not a weak woman. it was her lowest moment and I got to give credit to Chris Dyerwald because he had said to me, here's my prediction. Chris Christie's going to try to white knight Nikki Haley. And man, he was right. And she did look weak. I felt like, you know, she's been so strong at these debates in terms of defending herself and attacking others.

And of all moments, she should have put her hand out and she should have said, Chris, I appreciate the help, but I got this. and then defended herself. And I could only conclude, was it because she was shaky on the Ukraine, you know, counties, like the provinces, she did eventually come up with a few. I couldn't read it. Like, maybe she doesn't know the answer and she's stalling or she just wants this moment to pass because it wasn't a good moment for her.

I read that moment with the three provinces is, wait a minute, I know them, but are they provinces or regions or are those cities, you know, just that moment of hesitation where you don't, don't want to get it wrong. And then that moment just passed her. And then she came in, unfortunately for her, when everyone was talking and nobody really heard her give the answer. And I still don't because I didn't hear all of them.

I don't know if she was right or wrong. I know. The only one I heard is cry me out. I'm like, oh, we all know that one. Yeah. Right. Right. So it is awkward.

It could be if the body language were different, it could be the power move. to not take your opponent's little test, you know? Like I can see that being like, screw you. I don't take your little exams, Vive. You're not at Harvard anymore. But her body language was not projecting, I am confident, and I am dismissing this twerp. It projected, I have no idea.

Help me. So that was not her finest moment. And I do think, I bet you, there's going to be a little movement in the polls after this because DeSantis, you know, it was like it was the guy kind of thought he could be. And it wasn't in any way set up like this, but DeSantis had issues that are important to him brought up last night. And it's not like we said, oh, let's, let's bring these up for honest things. We brought these issues up because conservatives care about these issues. Yes. Trans, vaccine injury, COVID. And he was very strong on those. He hasn't really

had a chance to speak to a lot of these issues in the last debates because you got the Univision anchor out there talking about the Dreamers. Right. Right. Megan, I agree. I thought DeSantis was really good last night. What did you make up the one exchange where he wouldn't say whether he thought Trump was fit to be president or not? That was the one moment where it was, it was very strange to me. Did you think he wanted to say no, he's not fit? Did you think he wanted to say yes?

He was trying to walk the line. What was he doing there? Yeah. I mean, that was when I said he did great, except for one moment, that was the moment. He did not handle that well. And I got to give credit words, too. Chris Christie is great at that kind of thing. He didn't answer it. Like forensically diagnosing somebody's bad answer, there's no one better than Chris Christie at it.

And he honed in on him and it was uncomfortable. Descentus doesn't want to make news. He doesn't want to alienate the Trump base with a big headline from him saying Trump is unfit. So he was, you know. But why not say right now he's fit? he doesn't want to say that either he doesn't believe it and i think he understands that there's a certain psychology within the republican party that is recognizing the two people likely to be the nominees are too old and they are really not as fit as we'd like them to be either one of them let's

face it and uh so do you think that he's a 45 year old man hang on just a second we because i think i would love for the nancy pelosi generation to sit down and and retire Okay? Let the younger generation now take this. However, do you think that Donald Trump has faded from where he was in 2020? money? Yeah, I do. I mean, I take him over Joe Biden any day the week. I don't think he's going to fill out this term, never mind a second. But there's no question Trump has lost a step or multiple steps. He is confusing Joe Biden for Obama. I know he's now saying he intentionally did that go back and look at the clips. It wasn't intentional. It was very, look, any of us could have a slip of the tongue, but it's happening to him repeatedly. The reference about how somebody's going to get us

into World War II, confusing countries, confusing cities where he is, it's happening more and more. With all due respect to Trump, this is what happens when you're 77 years old. Yeah. Trump seems inhuman, but he's not inhuman. He's a human. He's a man. DeSantis' line about father time, spares no one, was a good one. So look, if it's between Trump and Biden, I don't think there's any questions who's more

fit and who capable, but are we really going to pretend that Donald Trump is just as vibrant and mentally sharp as he was in 16. Okay. I only have about 70 or 80 seconds here for this, but do you think Trump is going to jail? I'm starting to worry. I didn't, he's definitely going to get convicted in multiple jurisdictions. But Andy McCarthy, who's very smart on these things,

was pointing out that Judge Chutkin in D.C. in the federal case on J.6. Yeah. You know she hates him. That everybody has that. In D.C., the jury's going to hate him. He thinks there's some pretty good odds. She will not release him from jail pending appeal after his likely conviction. So what does that do to the system?

Glenn, that's why we have to have an undercard. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree with that. They got to run all the way to the end. Somebody has got to run all the way to the end. we have to have an undercard. But I mean, that is going to, that's just chaos in the streets. Oh, yeah.

America will burn if they put Trump in jail before this election. God help us. I don't want it. I just see the reality the same as you do. And we are going to need the National Guard city to city. You know, MAGA is going to rise up. And there will be a lot of sympathizers who understand it and don't try to stop it. this woman cannot be allowed to do that.

All right. Thank you very much, Megan. Best of luck to you today. And again, great job last night. Thank you for bringing a reasonable debate to America. Appreciate it. Thank you so much, Glenn. Great to see you, too, Stu.

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Also, this week we haven't had a lot of time to talk about what the FBI is doing. What the FBI is entangled in. And I think we have Mike Leon here in about 30 minutes. to talk about how the government is spying on regular Americans in ways they've never, ever done before. It's bold and nobody seems to care about it, and also how the FBI is targeting Catholics. We have the co-authors of Persecuted From Within. This is the book that really talks about how many Catholics have either left or been scandalized. by the errors or immorality that is happening in the clergy,

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He was a former speechwriter for President Trump. And my good friend and former co-author, Joshua Charles, He is also a former White House speechwriter, and he is the co-author of original argument, the federalist case for the Constitution, adapted for the 20th century, which is something we put out. I don't even know. Joshua, how long ago was that? That was 2008, 9? 2011. That was over 12 years ago, Glenn. Oh, yeah. Thank you again for the opportunity. It did a lot of things. Thank you. You're extraordinarily talented. So, guys, tell me, and I guess, Alec, if you want to start,

Tell me about persecuted from within. Yeah, persecuted from within is a book that's really rooted in something that Josh and I were noticing that if you're a good, faithful, traditional Catholic, even just a good faithful, traditional Christian, all around you, people are, you're under attack. People don't like you. The state doesn't like you. And frankly, we found our own church. A lot of people in our church don't like us, and they're trying to crush us.

So we wanted to know how to respond to that. We wanted to figure out how do you act as a good Christian, a good person of faith, in response to institutions that you love persecuting you. And we thought a better way to do that than to look at great historical figures, really monumental Christians from the past who had to live under pretty terrible circumstances, frankly, circumstances that are oftentimes worse than our own and learn the lesson straight from that. You cover one of my favorite guys, Fulton Sheen, the Archbishop from New York, who I didn't know about growing up.

I found out about him probably in 2008, and I just think he's one of the greatest guys ever. I don't think of him as persecuted, but he's a part of the book. How do you look at him? And what did you learn from him? Well, he was persecuted in a way that was a little hidden. What happened with him was that his cardinal at the time,

it was just this interpersonal dispute. Bishop Sheen was in charge of distributing charity to the poor, and Spelman gave him a bunch of dry, from the government that he got for free to distribute to the poor. And when Schoemann asked Sheen to pay for it, and Sheen said no. So, you know, you think it's a small matter, but it actually made the Cardinal livid against Shane. And he vowed revenge, moved him out of his position, cut him off from his TV program,

and sent him off to work in Rochester. He was totally ill-suited for his role. But he had to do it because it was his boss, essentially. You know, he was under the Cardinal, and he had to submit. So he looked like this great figure. really had a golden touch media personality, he invited to these big events in New York, and then boom, pretty much a failure

when he was sent over to Rochester, all because he refused to take money from the poor and give it to his boss. You know, Joshua, you're having this persecution. A lot of people are questioning the way their churches are behaving because we're in a time of great change, and I think most of our churches have gotten fat and sassy, and, you know, are too timid to take on the real gospel truth and how it applies in our lives.

And so a lot of people in a lot of faiths are having this problem. In the Catholic Church, you just had something unheard of happened here in Texas where the Pope got involved and kicked somebody out. Yeah, Bishop Strickland, who is actually a friend of mine, right before COVID, I was able to spend some time with Bishop Strickland in what we Catholics call Eucharistic adoration, where we pray before what we believe is the body, blood, soul, and divinity of our Lord and the Eucharist. And we did that for what's called a holy hour. And I'll just say, the bishop's the real deal. We went to dinner. He wears his garments everywhere he goes. He's a humble shepherd of the

Lord, and I think in his reaction to the situation, we see how many of the saints that Alec and I write about in this book reacted, and we cover about 2,000 years' worth of saints. And Bishop Strickland has asked Catholics. He's asked them pray for Pope Francis. He's asked them to not engage in reviling. But he's also spoken the truth about some of the issues that are going on in the church. And frankly, that's the sort of behavior that many of the saints engage in. in this book, one that comes to mind at St. Athanasius, who was a great bishop of Alexandria. He was reviled and booted from his diocese multiple times. He was exiled five times from Alexandria. There was one time some soldiers were coming to pick him up that had been sent by the

emperor who was coordinating with some Aryan bishops, and he just barely made it out. He basically covered his face and snuck through a crowd and escaped. And so there's some pretty harrowing stories. And Athanasius had to, it was, the phrase was Athanasius contramundum, Athanasius against the world. And he found support in Rome and in other parts of the world, particularly in the West, but he stood firmly for the truth, unwaveringly. But to do so, he had to experience persecution from within the family, as we say. And that's one of the great lessons of these saints is that to follow Jesus, Jesus says we must take up our cross. And the cross includes not only being attacked from external enemies, you know, pagans and heathens and

whatnot, but from members of the families, so to speak, within the church as well, as Jesus himself was, from Judas and the denial of Peter, and many of the problems that the apostles address in the early church. There's all sorts of issues. The issues have never changed, but many of these great saints face, as Alec mentioned, challenges that many of us couldn't even imagine. I think we're in a very trying time period. Don't get me wrong. But many of that, you know, Joan of Arc, for example, she's covered in this book. She was a laywoman, and she was killed. She was unjustly brought to a trial. Her canonical rights to appeal to the Pope, for example, were denied. And as a result, she was executed. But she went to her execution, faithful,

praying to God. And she remained Catholic. And so, You know, that's the great story of these saints is that they do things that are quite literally otherworldly. And I think that's what is so inspiring. It's like either this Christianity thing is a complete fraud or it's otherworldly. And it actually gives its followers something that they could never give themselves. And that's this peace and that's this sense of fortitude in the face of extraordinary persecution. and the saints by engaging in this, by suffering it, they find the humility that ultimately takes us to heaven, frankly.

I was just talking to Megan Kelly, and I, you know, I don't think that, I could be wrong, but I don't think that you guys wrote this because of the persecution that's going on right now. I have a feeling that you're thinking that it's going to get much, much worse. I could be wrong, and I'd love to hear your opinion on that. I think so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

So Megan and I were talking about, you know, what's coming. They put Donald Trump in jail or whatever. There is going to be a moment where people have had enough. And when that happens, persecution and the government will just come down hard. So what is the things that we can pull from your book that tells us what to do and what not to do? I think when we're facing, you know, a lot of institutions turning against us, perhaps most terrifyingly our government here in America, because the amount of power that it has,

and we've seen attacks on religious people, especially Catholics, even just within the past few weeks, frankly, it's holding on to the truth, especially the truth of our faith matters more than anything else. That gives strength that can overcome any of these difficulties. When other people are crumbling or being manipulated or falling to the wayside, it's our faith that allows us to be able to get through even grave difficulties and circumstances we've really never had to experience in our generations and make it through in the end. The thing is time and time again, when it looked like their circumstances were dire, when they themselves were imprisoned or martyred or, you know, shut up away from the public sphere without, you know, had their rights to speak, their liberties taken away from them, they really, really did cling to their faith and God saw them through. That's what's so wonderful about these stories. You think looking at the history of persecution of great Christians would be a depressing subject, but in a way, it's actually quite inspiring because you can see their strength

and how we can imitate that, and you can see how God is always with his people. When you're faithful to God, God is faithful in greater abundance than we could ever know. What do you guys think we're facing, especially as Catholics? You guys are, I mean, I We have a Catholic president. The only second time in history, last time we had one was, and the first time, was JFK. And now we have a Catholic president who seems to be going after the Catholics. It's bizarre. Well, Glenn, this is a topic I've been pondering for, really, since COVID.

I came into the Catholic Church in July 2019. And then so my first Easter was in 2020. and, you know, we know that that was a somewhat eventful year. And masses around the world were canceled for Easter. And what I discovered in the church fathers and in many of these great saints is this articulation of this idea. As I said before, that persecution comes not only from the outside, but from within. And as we all know, those of us who have had any family issues, which I'm sure is pretty much all of us,

that's the hardest thing to deal with. But that's exactly what these saints dealt with. And frankly, you know, President Biden, I hope he repents. I hope he comes back to the faith. He's clearly violating it. And frankly, we have many shepherds who aren't calling them on it. And they'll be held to a very high standard at the day of judgment. We Catholics believe that every single one of us will have to answer for what we did

and what we failed to do to Jesus Christ at the day of judgment. And the people who have the highest standard for behavior will be bishops, will be priests, and will be the Pope. And, you know, the Pope has to go to confession. Bishops have to go to confession. And to the extent that they fail to amend their conduct before they die, they're going to have to answer to the biggest boss. And so, but what we saw with all these saints,

the subtitle of the book is called How the Saints Endear'd Crisis in the Church. And I will say that there is this idea that there's this Judas element within the church throughout its entire history, throughout its entire history. It can't go away. it will be resolved, but when Jesus comes back, and Jesus warned about it, the apostles warned about it, some have called it the anti-church, and it's basically this dark side of the church, and these saints exhibit an astounding level of humility when they're faced with this kind of persecution. So, for example, I joked with some of my White House colleagues that the thing that sucks about being Catholic is we can't

complain about suffering. And what I meant is there's this idea, the Catholic faith of redemptive suffering. And the idea is that through his cross, prior to the Lord's cross and his death and resurrection, suffering was basically meaningless. It was just futile. It was the effect of the fall and whatnot. But after the cross, every single human being, if they follow Christ, can join their suffering to his. And it becomes fruitful. It becomes fruitful for the salvation of others. It becomes fruitful for the salvation of their own soul. And so literally everything that have been futile and meaningless, which suffering oftentimes feels like through Christ and his suffering becomes meaningful. And that's what so many of these saints show. You know, Stephen Colbert,

I don't think he's the most, the paradigm of an Orthodox Catholic, per se, but he had this beautiful line in an interview with Anderson Cooper, where Anderson Cooper was mentioning all these horrible tragedies that happened to him. And he basically said, how did you get through it? And Stephen Colbert said that in the Catholic faith, God does it too. And that's essentially what you see in the lives of all these saints with Athanasius and St. Thomas More. And they were laymen. They were priests. They were bishops. They were monks and nuns. They come from all sorts of walks of life. Sometimes they're having to criticize popes. Sometimes they're having to be, you know, persecuted by their bishops or their cardinals, as Alex talked about with venerable Fulton Sheen. Sometimes they're literally being executed or like St. John of Arc or they're being exiled from their diocese and all.

on the run, like St. Athanasius. So they're dealing with all these things, but they know they can join their sufferings to Christ, and these saints, to this day, we believe, are in heaven praying for all of us, reaping the most possible fruit a human being can ever reap for the salvation of the world. And that's what their suffering did by joining it to Christ. Joshua, thank you so much, Alex, the same. The name of the book is persecuted from within, written for Catholics, but I don't think it's probably just for Catholics.

It is for everybody. And I think we all need to look at how we are going to behave in times of persecution, because I do believe it is coming. Again, persecuted from within. Thank you so much, guys. God bless. Thank you, Glenn. Thank you so much.

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I just, I mean, I've never heard so many attacks on our Constitution is what's happening right now. And nobody seems to be talking about the attacks that are coming from the law. left on our Constitution and Bill of Rights. They don't care about it at all. It's such a, you go back to the Van Jones era of the ends, justify the means.

Yep. Is so that approach from the left. You see that quite clearly when you're talking about the pro-life part of this, part of the conversation where they say, well, we don't want to get anyone in between a patient and their doctor. I mean, it's like it's such a blatantly obvious thing they don't believe.

Every single time they try to get into health care, They're trying to put people between their doctor and their patient. How many times the government decided to get directly in between you and your doctor and COVID? Yeah. Don't listen to your doctor. We might put your doctor in jail. They might mandate you to take all sorts of different things that you can't go outside. All of these things are obvious to people.

If they think about it for five seconds, these are arguments they obviously don't believe but utilize in the moment because in the moment they think it helps them. And you see this, I think, all across the board. They don't care whether the Constitution is a factor. It's just another speed bump for them. There's another thing being heard today in court, a federal appeals court, going to hear about the FBI's blatant scheme to circumvent the Fourth Amendment. We have $86 million was seized from people by the FBI, not suspected of any crime. Is that legal?

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Meanwhile, they're also considering renewing key authority known as Section 02. And it is the ability to spy on the American people. Christopher Ray got up and on Tuesday he was saying, you know, September 11th. I mean, that's a warning. He said, what could anyone possibly say to victims' families if there was another attack that we could have prevented if we hadn't given away the ability to effectively use a tool? Let me tell you what's going to be said, Christopher Ray. No tool you had could have stopped anything because you stopped looking for the bad guys when you open the border. and you started looking at Catholics and following literally an 18, I'm sorry, an eight week old baby with our air marshals.

That's when we lost that. That's when you all turned your back on real terror. Mike Lee's not happy about it and he's on the phone with us now. Senator, how are you, sir? Doing great. Good to be with you, Glenn. So tell me what, first of all, for anybody who doesn't know what sex. Section 702 is, and what is being done?

Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, as it's called. It is a tool that's supposed to allow our spy agencies to listen in on conversations by our enemies, or spies from other countries overseas who are trying to mess with us. That's legitimate. What's not legitimate is it sometimes while spying on people overseas is scoop up what they call incidental collections, that is conversations involving American citizens. They record those, put those on a database. What we want to say, in a nutshell, is to say if they want to access that database, looking for communications involving an American citizen on U.S. soil, they should have to get

a search warrant to do that backdoor search, as we call it. It's not too much to ask. Look, this has been the law of the land since 1791 when we adopted the Fourth Amendment, and with darn good reason. Privacy matters, and government has enough advantages on its side. We don't need to make it easier. What we found, Glenn, is that hundreds and hundreds of thousands of times, the FBI has done warrantless backdoor searches on American citizens on U.S. soil, unsuspecting Americans who have no idea they're being surveilled. It's not too much to ask, to demand that they get a warrant. That's why I've introduced the Government Surveillance Reform Act, and that bill is very similar to the bill that was passed out of the House Judiciary Committee yesterday. We need to make sure that we don't just reauthorize this Section 702 of FISA without these reforms.

A clean reauthorization is unacceptable, and we've got to stop it. I've got to tell you, Mike, I am so disturbed. You know, what the Church Commission found in the 70s woke America up. for a little while, not an awful lot changed, but at least they pretended. What the Church Commission found at the time is romper room baby preschool stuff compared to what's happening all across the government now and what they are doing to American citizens. Am I reading the room wrong? You were absolutely right. And you're right on both fronts.

You're right that it was child's plate compared to what we've got now. And you're also right that what the church committee found was itself really disturbing. They found that in every presidential administration, since Woodrow Wilson, so basically since people had access to things like telephones, every presidential administrations from Woodrow Wilson up until the 70s when they conducted this investigation, had used our nation's intelligence gathering agencies for political espionage against their domestic political opponents. This is wrong. This is evil.

And so now that things are so much more automated, so much harder to detect by the public, it's worse, not better. And it's more important, not less, to respect the Fourth Amendment. So here's what I don't understand. The Democrats, you know, with CTIL, everything that's been going on, they're just in complete denial. They're just like, this is made up. This is a conspiracy theory. No, it's not. Here are the facts.

Here are the actual documents to what's going on. You would think that a group of people that. that are so convinced that the next president could be a dictator if it's Donald Trump, would do everything they could to make sure that a dictator couldn't take out his political opponents by using the NSA or CIA or any of these tools. Why is there no interest when they think we're on the verge of a dictator? Okay, here's the interesting thing, Glenn. this is actually a bipartisan issue.

It's an overwhelmingly bipartisan issue. In fact, this bill, the Government Surveillance Reform Act or the counterpart in the House of Representatives that passed out of the House Judiciary Committee yesterday, either one of those bills would pass both houses of Congress with a pretty overwhelming bipartisan supermajority if we could put it up today. I've got liberal Democrats with me on this. My lead co-sponsor on this is Ron White, who's a liberal Democrat from Oregon. on the House side.

Warren Davidson is on the bill, and the lead Democratic co-sponsor, there is Zoe Lofgren, the liberal Democrats. There is broad-based bipartisan support for this. And so if the members as a whole get their way, we win, liberty wins, the Fourth Amendment wins. If the military and intelligence industrial complex of Washington,

as swampy as it gets, gets its way, they're going to reauthorize this thing clean. Initially, what they'll try to do is they'll slap it onto the National Defense Authorization Act, and they'll say, oh, don't worry, this is just a clean authorization until April. They leave out the fact that if they can get it to April, they can get the FISA court to issue another standing order, and that standing order can take them for as long as a year into the future. So instead of an extension of four or five months, it's an extension of 16 or 17 months. This is how we lose.

This is how the military industrial complex went, and this is how liberty gets destroyed. It's bizarre to be on the side that for so long said, trust the military, trust our FBI. And now we're wide awake seeing the vast corruption and violations of our sacred rights from the Bill of Rights. and the side that was the one that was always preaching this, generally speaking, doesn't seem to care. I guess maybe it's just, it's the swamp that doesn't care.

It doesn't care because the swamp is already, always interested in perpetuating the swamp. And the swamp asks us to trust it even though we can't and shouldn't. My wife Sharon likes to say, trust people, but always be skeptical of government. always because government holds too many cards to be trusted. And so look, this is so important to remember.

Remember just a day before yesterday, I had FBI director Christopher Ray on the stand. And every single time I asked him about reforms, he wanted to dodge the question. And he wanted to avoid the issue of all these abuses of hundreds of thousands of warrantless searches being conducted on the American people. Do you know what he said? He said, trust us.

Trust us because we now have reformed in place. They're going to be better. I've been hearing that for 13 years, Glenn. I know. Every single time, they're lying. And it's time to bring this thing to an end. This is the time. 702 expires at midnight on New Year's Eve this year.

We've got to stop this. And so help me, if they put an NDAA on the floor, a National Defense Authorization Act that has this in there, we're going to have to do everything we can to take that down. we can't afford to take that hit to liberty. They're going to do it. They always do it at the end of the year when nobody's paying attention. When everybody's on vacation, that's when they do these things.

Mike, let me switch topics here for a second. Donald Trump is, you know, when Chris Christie said last night, well, he's not going to be able to vote because he's a felon. And the audience booed him. not because everybody's willing to vote for a felon, but because they feel that these trials are nothing but kangaroo courts, especially the one in Washington, D.C., which I don't think is going to go Donald Trump's way. What happens if he goes to jail, Mike?

Okay, so insofar as we're dealing with federal charges, if President Trump were convicted, and then he became elected as president of the United States, it's pretty clear he has the ability to pardon himself. There's the same protection doesn't necessarily exist with regard to the state charges. I don't know. We've never been in this position before, but I believe in the jury system, and I hope and expect that we'll have juries that will take their role seriously. In Washington, D.C.?

Well, and where the juries get it wrong on the facts, then we hope that the judges will get it right on the law. And everybody has the right to an appeal. And I hope and expect that the judges, both the trial court judges and the appellate court judges will be doing their jobs. So we've got to trust that system. So what happens practically? I don't know. But at every stage, people have rallied to President Trump's defense, his fans, become bigger fans when these sorts of things happen.

And I do think we've entered a very unfortunate area in which we have politically weaponized the criminal justice system to such an extent that the leading candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, the presumptive frontrunner, the likely nominee for one of our two major political parties in this country. is facing four different criminal indictments in four different jurisdictions for crimes that I don't think anyone thinks that he would have been charged with were he not the leading Republican presidential candidate? And that's very, very disturbing. And I think that's also a reason why a lot of people are showing up for him. They sense some injustice in here. Regardless of whether they

agree with everything he says or does, they know in their heart. They know in their heart, hearts that there's something terribly wrong about this. Mike, as always, thanks for all your hard work. God bless. Keep it up. Thank you, Glenn. You bet. You bet.

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welcome to the Glenbeck program. Bitcoin is at 43,000 now. It was 45 I think

yesterday. Yeah, I think it touched 45. And you remember, Jamie Diamond just came out and said, I think the government needs to ban cryptocurrencies. Uh-huh. Really bad investment, right, Stu? You know, it really hasn't been. Everyone talks about how, oh, people get blown up. They got suckered into the crypto industry and lost all their money. Well, but you had to buy it a long time ago. Right. So let me give you this. This is all real.

Okay. If you bought Bitcoin on any day in 2009. Uh-huh. Okay, well, I just started in 2000. Right. Of course everyone made money. Or 2010. Or 2011. Right. Or 2012. Right.

Or 2013. Or 2014 or 2015 or 2015 or 2015 or 2016 or 2017 or 2018 or 2019 or 2019 or 2020 or 2020 or 2023 or if you bought on any one of those days. Yeah, but 21 and 22 were really bad. Okay. 21 or 22. Let's look at those. Yeah.

Okay. If you bought in 2022 and you're down, you're very unlucky. Because if you had purchased. on over 90% of days in 2022, you're up. You've made money on your Bitcoin that you bought in 2022. Yeah, but what about 2020? Well, your worst case scenario in 2022

would be buying on New Year's Day. If you did that, you're down 10%. That's your worst case scenario if you bought in 2022. But there was 2021. That was the peak year. We all remember that. Everything was going crazy. Everyone was talking about Bitcoin commercials on the Super Bowl.

You remember that whole thing? Well, if you bought in 2020, 2021. The majority of the days, over 50% of the days, I think it's 50.4% of the days in 2021, you're still up. Okay. Now, half of the days you'd be down. Some of it a little bit, some of them a lot. Think of this.

Think of the odds of losing on Bitcoin. Very difficult to lose. Very difficult. So far. Now, if you sold when it was low, then obviously you lost. But if you held it, you're up at this. point. Now, people will say, well, yeah, but what about it when it peaked? 69,000. Do you remember how many days, let's say it was above 65,000?

Three? Four. Four. Four total days. So if you happen to purchase your Bitcoin on the four total days, it was above 65,000, it kind of sucks for you right now. Yes, you are down. I got it. Maybe you don't have a positive impression. I'd say hold it because you'll probably get above that number eventually. But this. This is... And maybe this round. So... Maybe, maybe in the...

I don't know if this is... This might be... This might be the rebound again, because it always rebounds a lot higher. And then it falls to the, what, the last... Right around the last high. Mm-hmm. Since Bitcoin start, any purchase made on 96.5% of days is now profitable.

Since the start of the 2017 bubble, remember that? 92.6% of days are now profitable. profitable. And even since the start of the 2021 bubble year, any purchase made on 82.3% of days is now profitable. This is the, this is the, they want to send you away from this investment, everybody.

They want you to, they want this to be illegal. Well, but at least you'll be safe in the central bank digital currency.