The Glenn Beck Program - The Social Justice Lie | Guests: Dr. Voddie Baucham & Matt Ridley | 6/18/20

Episode Date: June 18, 2020

After Aunt Jemima, and now Uncle Ben’s rice, how many long-standing brands need a woke name change? John Bolton’s anti-Trump book is despicable. An Atlanta cop was charged with felony murder for killing Rayshard Brooks. Former pastor Dr. Voddie Baucham explains how ethnic Gnosticism forms the religious basis of "anti-racism" and argues why modern social justice is a Marxist, anti-Christian idea. Matt Ridley, author of “How Innovation Works,” reviews the latest on the coronavirus and whether it could become another variant of common cold. New data reaffirms that Andrew Cuomo is awful. San Diego resident Emmanuel Cafferty speaks out after a false claim that he flashed a racist gesture got him fired, and he just wants his job back.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Her racist pancakes, those days are behind us. And I stand with the Antimima haters. And Uncle Ben, really? He's not my uncle. He's a racist stereotype. Because everybody knows the best rice makers were black men. But I'm for... We were making progress, and yet today I open up the newspaper.

I go online. I search. And we've done nothing about Mr. Coffee? Oh, how do you like your coffee? Black? This nonsense has got to stop. This is the Glenn Beck program. And I mean that, too.

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com slash back. Antrimima is finally out. Stu, do you feel better? Do you feel safer when you go into your pantry now? So much safer. That woman haunted me for years. Really? Speaking with your white privilege, really?

Confess your sins. I can't. You haven't confessed your sins yet. Apparently not. I just put it on a pancakes, so I didn't really look at it as a sinful act. I mean, it was sinfully delicious, but not more than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, when I had my pancakes, I said, yum, but that's an acronym for, yeah, upset me.

Oh, right. So I, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. I do it every time. Every time I have pancakes, I confess. Anyway, Uncle Ben's is now out. The Quaker Oats people, the guy, the company that has the Quaker man, a religious symbol, as their company symbol.

Yeah, yeah. Quaker, as in the Quaker church, as in the Quakers, as in, you know, why? People that wanted to stop slavery and fought for abolition, and they were the biggest abolitionist of all time. But they're white, and they lived in the colonial era, and so they were there in America. Hello, a racist country, systematic racism of the Quaker guy. He's still on the cover of all of the Quaker Oat stuff. Anyway, they came out and said, racism has no place in. in society. Do you agree with that, Stu?

Well, of course you do. Nobody disagrees with that. Well, okay, maybe the clan disagrees with that. Yes. You don't get to... Unfortunately, you don't get to, you know, you don't get to declare that. It's not like Michael Scott walking out of the room and say, I declare bankruptcy. It doesn't mean you go bankrupt when that happens.

Like, whether you think it has a place in society or not, some people are going to do it. It's very few. And we should work from reality instead of these things. I think COVID-19 has no place in society. Cured! It's going to be there. It's going to be there.

There's like Turkmenistan who went on and they actually banned the word coronavirus. And so far they've had zero cases of coronavirus. What are you doing the rest of the world? You suckers? Turkmenistan cured this thing a while ago. You know, Ahmadinejad, when he came and spoke at Columbia, University, he was asked about homosexuals and how they stone homosexuals. And he said, we have no homosexual problem in Iran because we don't have homosexuals there.

There you go. Problem for Ahmed Denejad, at least. Solved. Yeah. All right. So anyway, racism has no place in society. And here's the problem. We sand in solidarity with the black community.

Not a problem. That's fine. Our associates, good. And our partners, great. In the fight for social justice. Social justice is evil. It started out great. It started out really nice in the 1800s.

It's a Catholic kind of idea. Social justice has been hijacked by the early 20th century, and nobody seems to care about that. Oh, no, it just means. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. It doesn't just mean helping out. That's called helping out.

Social justice now means. Marxism. So anyway, I don't know how I got there. Oh, yeah, it's all the companies that are all saying that they're all for social justice. Shut up. None of you, none of you, none of you, are actually thinking about what any of this means. All you're doing is just trying to get some good PR. I mean, this is what happened with the Nazis.

You know what? We're absolutely with the National Socialist Movement because, you know, we're tired. of the bad economy and the lawlessness, and these guys seem to be very patriotic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were patriotic. Maybe a little bit too patriotic. You've got to look at who you're standing with. Oh, my gosh. Anyway, so Uncle Benz is out.

Again, I suggest that everyone in this audience begin to tweet and demand that the Dixie Chicks change their name. name. What are you standing with the Confederacy? You standing with those statues? Ladies, are you collecting those Confederate statues? You seem so high on Dixie. Holy cow, what a group of racist you are. I won't rest until my Dixie chicks have to change their name. Anyway, Mrs. Butter'sworth is now undergoing a complete brand and packaging review. now Mrs. Butterworth, I didn't even know she was black. Is she black?

Or are they changing Mrs. Butter'sworth because she's so offensive because she's fat? What is it you're doing? You're using a fat person to say, yummy syrup is here? What do you? What is that, Mrs. Butter'sworth? My gosh, are you sleeping with Mr. Coffee? Because that bastard's got to be stopped. Holy cow.

accuracy. It's Mr. Mrs. Butterworth, not Mrs. Butterworth, Mrs. Butterworth. Oh, it's Mrs. Butterworth. Singular butter. Oh, okay. Singular butter. Still fat. I don't care what you call it. She's still fat. What are you, what is this? You saying that all people that make good food are fat? Is that what you're saying? And by the way, I still leave my offer open to Mrs. Butterworth. And I mean, I'll even wear a wig. I'll, you know what, I'll undergo the knife. You want to use my image. I mean, it's going to cost a lot.

But, I mean, everybody else is selling their soul to the devil, so why not? I'll give you, I'll set a price. What's it worth for me to become a woman? A lesbian, because I'd still be married to my wife. Would you be? Let's ask Tanya about that, because I'm not sure that one's confirmed. Yeah, so you have to ask Tanya what the price is. I have to know, it's probably there probably somewhere in the divorce

papers. Oh, that price is. But anyway, I mean, I've already offered myself to be the new Colonel Sanders, because I look like Colonel Sanders. But why can't I look like Mrs. Butterworth? Why can't I... I mean, are you saying that a man can't be Mrs.

Butterworth? One with a beard? I try my gravy or my syrup or whatever it is. It's delicious. And nobody is, nobody's looking at Black and Decker. Who's Decker and what's he doing with black?

Uh, hello? Wonderbred? Isn't that just saying white privilege? I mean, I'm as white as white bread. Wonderbread. Oh, it can do anything because it's white. Ken and Barbie? Could he get any whiter or more privileged,

privileged, could it? I mean, why not, why not Brianna and Kente? Why not? Where's the beef? Yeah, where's the beef? The real beef is we should all,

we should all stand against Wendy's for literally having a white girl in their logo. And then Mr. Clean shows up, a bald, blue-eyed, tough guy wearing an all-white t-shirt. He's got a ring in his ear, solid white eyebrows. This guy is, this is the symbol of alt-right racism. I mean, why don't we just call it? Call him Mr. Klan for the love of Pete. Scotch tape.

Scotch tape. Oh, my gosh. You supremacists, I mean, I can't believe. Scotch tape, we all know that the Scotch were the ones who really brought the idea of individual freedom. I mean, it was the scotch that brought over from their Scottish, you know, thistle land or whatever it is. They brought all of these ideas over to the white men here, and there's not a black person in Scottishville.

Yeah. No amount of your tape could hold your pack of lies together. I'm so glad they're coming for you. Copper tone? Copper tone. Why does it have to be about color, or is it about color? Has it always been about cops? Copper tone.

White Castle, I'm not even going to start with. M&Ms, we see what you're going with there. Oh, the milk chocolate, the dark part of it, kept in a candy shell of bondage. Q-tips. I mean, I just so much cotton. I gotta cancel. Q-tips. Cracker Jack?

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You don't want to miss a minute of today's show. Coming up in about 40 minutes is a, guy from Zambia, who a friend sent me a video of him a few years ago. And I tried to get a hold of him. And I saw this guy. He is a, he's a black theologian. He is absolutely brilliant. And he was making these, these videos, you know, about social justice and what it's really about and white guilt and all this stuff. and tried to get a hold of him, and he's moved to Zambia, Africa. He and his family, because he had been chased out of the country with so much hate and vitriol from the left, and they just destroyed this guy, just destroyed him, destroyed his ministry over here. I think he was in Florida, and took him apart to where he couldn't make any money,

he couldn't do anything because of his point of view. And it's really well thought out and well spoken. And so I call him over in Africa, I don't know, about a week ago. And I'm like, what are you doing? And he said, you know, they said that I didn't care about black people and I'm a black person. Now they won't, you know, they won't recognize at all that I am serving in Africa. So he's actually a dean of a school over in Africa in Zambia right now. And I'm trying to convince him to come back to the United States because I think his voice is so incredibly important.

Pray for him and his family. His family really went through a lot. But he's going to be on with us in about 40 minutes, and he's going to talk about, what is it, ethnic mysticism? Let me see if I got it right. Maybe it's race, gnosticism. um but bum you know ethnic gnosticism Gnosticism is comes from the group of Gnostics

in the Middle Ages or you know early on in the church and they believed some crazy stuff they believed that you were born either knowing or not knowing and those who were born knowing what's right and what's good oh they'd go to heaven the rest of us were just doomed and and you really couldn't challenge them on anything because they knew. Well, that's kind of what's happening with ethnic Gnosticism, a word that he has, or a phrase that

he has coined, ethnic Gnosticism, meaning, you know, if you're white, you don't get it, you never will. They'll explain it to you, but you still don't understand it because you're not Gnostic. You just weren't born black, so you weren't born knowing. It is incredibly racist and incredibly dangerous, and he's now the dean of theolognaut. of African Christian University, former pastor of Grace Family Baptist Church, and he's going to be with us,

giving us a sermon, if you will, coming up in about 40 minutes. Also, did you hear about the terrorists that we killed in Syria with the new ninja bomb? Did you read this still? No, but the greatest thing ever. We need more ninja bombs. I don't know what they do, but we need more of them.

Oh, really? Do we, Mr. Racist, taking someone else's culture and appropriating it, a ninja bomb? So what the ninja, what the ninja bomb is, is this incredible rocket that, you know, we have, let's see if I can find out what the name of that rocket is that we use, the Hellfire rocket. You've heard of the Hellfire missile? Yes. This is an R9X missile. It's a modified, modified Hellfire. And the Hellfire missile is the kill radius is about 700 feet.

So it can cause a lot of collateral damage. But because America is a good place, we have been trying to get that kill radius down because we don't want to kill innocent bystanders when we're targeting, you know, military leaders. So these two military leaders were in their car driving down the road on Sunday. and the U.S. led a strike and we let go of one of these Hellfire R9X missiles. It doesn't explode. The kill radius is a little smaller. It's 30 inches.

And it doesn't actually explode. The top of the missile comes out right before it hits. And it breaks up and knives. come out of the front and it's like it creates like a fan almost it just slices a 30 inch hole through anything

and just makes gravy out of anything standing in its way. 30 inches people 30 inches away from the target are not affected yeah America just doesn't care we

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zero credibility. Anybody with me on this? Stu, Pat? Yes. I am. I don't know about Stu. You know, the gay character on the show

is always so unpredictable. I don't know which way. He is unpredictable. I'm expecting ding-dong and like a little cousin of his is going to move in. Exactly. I'm proud of being a protective class.

He just never know. Yeah. But John Bolton, He comes out yesterday with, you know, excerpts of his book. And I have to tell you, this is despicable. To me, it's despicable. If you really believe that he was that dangerous, because he paints the picture of Donald Trump being the most dangerous person

you would ever want anywhere near the White House. And he didn't say anything. He didn't come out and just say, no, he waited for $2 million pay days. it's grotesque, grotesque. And he said, I didn't say anything because, you know, it would have been, it would have just all become political. Okay, so now it's all political, but you got $2 million. Yeah, it's going to be political. You might as well get the $2 million, too.

That sounds great. Just bad. As you know, I'm a gay character. I mean, if I'm going to be gay, I might as well be gay for $2 million extra dollars. I mean, I don't, I mean, if it's going to be gay either way. Not on this program. Okay. So here's the.

uh everybody's paid an equal wage and don't think that through don't think that through anyway um the uh the the thing about uh you know i had um adam carola on last night and he i said to him you know about this this culture of of canceling everybody and he said you know glen that's why i did well you did you we both did it we created we created we created our own platforms so nobody can cancel us from it. And first of all, that's not true. I could be canceled from the radio, which I think your local radio station, especially talk, is in deep trouble, deep trouble if this president loses this election.

I think we are on the verge of silencing our voices like you cannot even imagine. But he said, you know, I started my own platform, blah, blah, blah, and you know, so I don't worry about it. Yeah, well, I get that. But what about the average person? And he said, you know, you've got to just go along with it if you want to keep your job. No, you don't. There comes a point to where, you know, I can compromise.

And, you know, there were things that there were things that I believe that I shall never say, but there are things, but I will never say the things that I do not believe. You know, when I was at Fox, that was Rupert Murdoch's company. and I said that to Roger Ailes when I was there. Look, I'm not necessarily going to play ball and say things that I don't agree with, but it's your company. And if this is causing you problems, okay, I'll say it elsewhere. But you still say it.

You still, there are times when you say, okay, I'm going to compromise here and not be very clear because it doesn't just involve me. But when you come down to where we are in America now, you don't play ball with Marxists. You don't give in. Am I wrong? I mean, I am willing to lose everything that I have to save the country. Is it just me?

Yes. You're the only one losing to do that. It probably is just you. but um no it's not if you would yeah you would stew you're not going to get on the air and say things that you don't believe because otherwise they're going to kick you off the air well you would still i'm currently in the middle of being becoming a gay character even though i'm totally straight just a don't do anything for money what are you talking about no i mean of course i i i i don't know you i think you're right it doesn't it never looks good when you release this stuff in a book right

it never does i you know do i you know you said like it makes him sound like the worst person to ever be close to the White House. Most of the stuff I've read so far sounds like stuff Donald Trump says in negotiations and doesn't mean anything. You know, like the fact that he's saying to President G, hey, you know, I love your concentration camp. Sounds like a great idea. Like, we all know Donald Trump doesn't love concentration camps. He didn't start building them. He didn't send over crews to help build walls over at the concentration camp. What did he do because of that situation? And the answer is nothing. Nothing. It's just he says all sorts of things that mean nothing. Yeah, he's constantly in negotiation mode.

And but what is the difference between, hey, your concentration camps are great. You know, maybe I'll come, you know, maybe we can do a Trump one and it'll be an exclusive concentrate. I mean, what is the difference between him saying that and Joe Biden giving a speech in front of President Z saying, you know, I, you know, while it's not right for America, I see why you have your one child policy and it works well for you. What's the difference? It's a great point. What's the difference? there's no difference. Yeah.

And I mean, does anybody doubt that probably half jokingly, President Trump could have said, yeah, you know what we should do is execute some of these journalists. I mean, behind the scenes, that's very possible. But he didn't mean they should actually execute them. Did he execute any journalists? No. No.

As a matter of fact, he hasn't rounded them up like Barack Obama did. He's been much better for journalists than Barack Obama was. When it comes to using the law and his people, power against them. Could he have said, you know what would be fun? Invading Venezuela, taking those loyal... Totally. You might have said that.

Totally could have said that. Totally. So what? Did he invade Venezuela? He did not. No. To judge Donald Trump's presidency, it is the most efficient and intelligent thing to do is just dismiss the things he says.

And watch what he does. You don't know what he says. Again, like think of North Korea. He said he was going to annihilate the country. and then like two days later said he was a good friend of Kim Jong-un. Neither one of those is true. Like, we all know neither one is true. He speaks hyperbolicly.

And he says a lot of it because he thinks he's getting an advantage in a negotiation or it's helping him to press or whatever it is. You can't just look at what he does, not what he says. That's the best way to judge his presidency. But he also says things to jar the thinking of others. Yeah. For instance. Or himself. When they said, he actually said, let's put out.

Alligators in the water and build a moat on the southern border. Okay. Did he say that? I bet he did. Probably. But he said it. I bet he said it like this. Mr.

President, we can't do this and we can't do that and we can't build this wall. You know, we've got all these other problems. You know what? Then maybe why don't we just build a moat and put some alligators in it? Yes. I mean,

anybody got a problem with alligators? Let's put alligators in there. Yeah. Because you guys aren't doing anything. It could have happened that way. Right. And it jars people's thinking, you know, why don't we just bomb them? Well, because, Mr. President, and if you're an old stodgy system, you need to go in there and break up the thinking.

You need to go in and go, well, why haven't we thought about just bombing the snot out of them? Why haven't we just gone in there? Mr. President, we don't because of X, Y, and Z. Well, have we thought about bombing him? Yes, we have. Well, I'm leaning towards bombing them. You're leaning towards giving them fruit cake. Why don't you come up with another plan and see me about it?

Yeah. And then they come back. It's the Overton window. They come back with something that they wouldn't have ever done unless the president was saying, you know what, maybe we should bomb them. He just fundamentally communicates different than other people communicate. When you say something, Glenn or Pat says something to me, what I assume is that Glenn or Pat mean the thing they're saying.

They believe that thing and they're saying it because it's something they believe. When Donald Trump says things, you can't take it that way. He is in constant negotiation mode. And when he goes into these situations, he's not calculating. Let me think of what my closely held belief is and express that to Kim Jong-un or President Xi. He's going in there and saying, like, what do I need to do to improve my situation? situation. How do I get X, Y, or Z done? Let me say whatever I have to to get that done. Is that something that you should do? There are legitimate questions of whether that's a good idea. But if you haven't priced that into Donald Trump at this point, what are you doing? Like, I mean, this is what he's been doing since long before he was running for president.

Wait, Glenn, how many times have you told the story about Tiffany's where he said he was going to build the ugliest building in the world if they didn't give him the air rights for a building he wanted to build? He was going to build the ugliest building in the world right next to Tiffany's. It was going to be. basically destroy their business, was there a chance that Donald Trump was really going to go in there and make the ugliest building in the world next to Tiffany's in the middle of New York City? My guess is it's possible with Donald Trump, which is why it's successful. But probably not. Like, he's not going to spend millions and millions of his own dollars just to make a point against Tiffany's. Right?

Right. But the Tiffany's didn't know that. But they didn't know that. You know, I haven't talked about a phone call that I, have I talked about this on the year? I mean, you have to go deeper than a phone call. I assume you've had several. You know what phone call I'm talking about.

I got a phone call from the president a few months back. And we spoke for about a half an hour. And it was fascinating, fascinating. I learned a lot about him. And he said, he said to me, good for you knowing the Tiffany story. Not a lot of people know that. I said, yeah, well, I've done my homework. And he said, good for you.

Meaning, because we were talking about something else, we were talking about trade. And I said, I just assumed that you're doing some of the Tiffany's stuff. And he said, what do you mean by that? And I told him that, you know, I started telling him the story. And that's when he said, good for you. And it was almost in a fashion of saying that as, Because you understand, most don't. And that's what you have to understand about Donald Trump.

First of all, he has diarrhea of the mouth. I mean, you know, my mother used to say, Glenn, you've got diarrhea of the mouth, which means just crap just shoots out of my mouth. And, you know, you'll find pieces of something that was for dinner three weeks ago. It has nothing to do with what you had dinner, you know, last night. And that's what he has. There's things that just shoot out of his mouth.

And others are very calculated. And you can't dismiss when he's in a room of hostels like he was with Tiffany's. Absolutely. That he isn't saying things to shake them to the core. And, you know, the other thing that I think you were alluding to with your analogy was that John Bolton was there for how long? How long was he a part of this? How long? If you had this big a problem with this president,

you should have gotten out and said something much sooner than now. If you really believe that he is the problem that you're making him out to be, that he is dangerous to America, well, then you should have quit and you should have made your feelings known and understood loud and clear a long time ago. Otherwise, you're just doing it for your own purposes. You're doing it from, I mean, if that's not cashing in, and trading your country's security for cash. If it's not one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen.

And I say this about the people who wrote the Obama books, the people that write any of these things. Wait a minute. You're holding back critical information and you're doing it for money. It's grotesque. Absolutely grotesque. All right. Back in just a minute.

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when this first happened that the DA is running for re-election. and the New York Times was afraid that they might try to politicize this. Well, the state of Georgia, the Bureau of Investigation, came out yesterday and said, they asked us to investigate this. We have just begun our investigation, haven't made any recommendations, and we were shocked when the DA came out with the charges. Wow. You know what else is interesting about that?

This is the DA, Paul Howard, two weeks ago, declared the tasers, are a deadly weapon. Yes. Okay, well, he had a deadly weapon then. And he was defending himself against a deadly weapon. Really strange. No, no, he didn't have a deadly weapon. They should have found some other way to deal with it.

Yeah. I mean, you can't say it's a deadly weapon when in the hands of police and then when it's in the hands of somebody else, not say it's a deadly weapon. It's crazy. My issue here is that, look, the guy was running away. Why not shoot him in the toes? If you just hit his little toe, he wouldn't be able to run anymore.

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but I am actually a fan. When I went to college for about 10 minutes, Gnostics were part of what I studied, And they were, it was a crazy, it's a crazy philosophy that there are just some people who are born knowing and others who just will never get it. So if you're born knowing, you're going to go to heaven because you're saved because you get it. And the others, they're just never going to get it. So ethnic Gnosticism piqued my interest. And I watched it and I thought, why haven't I heard of this guy before?

A guy who grew up in California, you know, if you, if you, if you're looking for the truth today, you're looking for it from a guy who has lived it, who has walked the walk, who has done the real research and study, and can come at things with a simple, peaceful, quiet delivery. that is Vadi Bajum. He is a doctor of theology, and he's got several degrees. Houston Baptist University, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, honorary degree from Southern California Seminary, and postgraduate study of the University of Oxford, England. He has nine children, been married since 1989, and currently lives in Zambia because of the heat that he received when he started talking about these things just a few years ago.

And all of his opportunities closed up because of the exact kind of cancel culture that we're talking about now. But you need to hear his voice. So do we have Skype? Do we have the Skype connection? And I'm sorry, is it Vody? Yes, sir. Okay. I got to tell you, you look like Moses, man.

This is great. Thank you for coming on. I know that you have gone through a lot with your family, and you're now serving the African community in Zambia, but I wish you were here. Let's talk a little bit about ethnic Gnosticism and teach the American people what is really going on here. Yeah.

Well, first, Thank you for having me on. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. Just I want to say that we came here. We've been here almost five years. And really, it was the Lord calling us here to be a part of the work that he was doing here. But you are correct in that things were difficult. These issues and coined the term ethnicnosticism.

And, you know, as you've said, the idea that there are certain people who have special knowledge. And what we're seeing right now in our cultural group is seeing for a while is the idea of oppressed groups. I would say minority groups, but that's not really the way we talk about it. Because, for example, we talk about women as one of these oppressed groups, and they're actually not a minority. They're the majority.

but when you belong to you have a special knowledge as it relates to oppression that other people do not and cannot understand and it's rather ironic because what we hear all the time is

you need to right you have to listen to us so that you can understand us but the premise of ethnic one of us, you literally cannot understand us. Okay, let me restate this here because his Skype is, his Skype is kind of catching a couple of times. You have to cut some slack here because he's,

he's calling us via Skype from Zambia. So this is an amazing thing that I think we can have it this good. You just said that the, uh, the oppressed groups will, know. They have, they're the Gnostics, they know. And the others who are not in that oppressed group, they can never know. They just, they, even if you explain it to them, they can't really know. Yeah. And so it's a, it's really a catch 22 for, you understand. People who have a desire to do the right thing, a desire to have a better understanding and sympathize and empathize with others, you're essentially told that it's not possible.

We're also told that when it comes to understanding the truth of these issues, that the truth is not necessarily determined by evidence per se. It's determined by the experience. This is so frustrating. The experience of that oppressed group. I'm assuming he's saying, are you there? Yes, okay. Yes. Yes. So we are, I mean, yeah, I tell you what, let me just take a quick break and then we'll try to reconnect.

But when you come back, I really want to, I did a special last night where I talked about how this is a cult. This is a religion. And what you're describing is religious in its nature. I mean, the Gnostics were a religion, and it's got all of the earmarks of a religion, which means that there's a never-ending supply of souls that need to be saved, but in this case, they can never really be saved because they'll never really know. And it allows you to have this wiggle room of, well, evidence doesn't matter because this is a faith. And it's very, very dangerous. We'll reconnect and continue our conversation. I hope that we can get a good connection here.

I'm trying to convince him to come back to the United States as soon as this COVID thing is over and spend some time because you just need to hear him speak and hear what he has to say. He takes on social justice and ethnic Gnosticism and what's going on right now in America. He takes it head on. and he speaks with real knowledge and experience. We'll come back to him just a second from Zambia. Life is complicated and tricky enough to navigate on your own during normal times. So when you're not feeling fine, when you're in pain, things go even more sideways. It's no way to live.

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So tell us how this breaks apart and how this is really kind of an anti-Christ sort of message, Vody. Yes. And this is why this is really concerning to me. Because our knowledge, we understand our knowledge comes from God, that God is the source of all knowledge. We understand that the scriptures are sufficient. And we go to the Bible to understand truth. And we look at the world the way the world is. God made the world in such a way that we can do real science, for example, because there are things that we can expect from an orderly universe that was made by an intelligent creator.

So, as Christians, these are the ways that we seek for truth, not through special. individuals who have special knowledge. We don't reduce our faith to the testimony of others. We build our faith on the testimony of God. Right. This seems to be almost a regression back to the dark ages when you had to go to the priest because you couldn't read the language. You couldn't own a Bible yourself.

And what freed mankind was getting those middlemen out of the way. you had the power to find truth on your own. You were smart enough and you could live it. And if you did the work, you could find truth. Now we're saying in almost every front, no, no, no, you need a middleman. You can't decide that you're not smart enough. And you just don't. Now this one is you will never be smart enough if you're white.

You will never have this knowledge. Yeah. And there are a number of people, John McQuarter and others. who have likened this movement, the sort of anti-racism movement, to a religion. And you hit the nail on hey, there is this idea of saints and sinners. Jim Wallace wrote a book, and the title of his book was America's original sin. And so again, there are these religious connotations here. And what worries me about this is that there are real problems. there are, there's real racism, there's real evil, there's real hatred, it's real injustice.

And the answer to those things is a God who saves through the person and work of Christ. That's our message as Christians, right? Or at least it used to be. Now the message is, the answer is something other than the forgiveness that we find through God. in Christ. Now the answer is somehow you have to do enough penance. And it's been interesting to watch scenes of white people literally kneeling and bowing and genuflecting in repentance, you know, over over their sin of white privilege or, you know, bias or conscious bias or unconscious bias or whatever else. And the problem with this is that,

This religion is promising salvation somewhere other than God. And unfortunately, there are many Christians who are sounding like they're rather satisfied with this. Oh, yeah. I'm struck with, you know, I've been ringing the bell against social justice for, ever since I discovered it, you know, what, 15 years ago, and said this, this and collective salvation and the teachings of Wallace and everybody else is evil. It is, it is the, it's an upside down world from what God wants. I'm struck by the fact that an earmark of anything that I think of be evil would be there is no forgiveness. That, that, that is

the most unchristian kind of thing I've ever heard. There's God, if there is a God that does not forgive us, then everything we know about Christian, Christianity is wrong. And I don't want to live in that world, but we're now being told that there is no forgiveness, even if you beg for forgiveness. And I see people bowing down, and part of me understands and says, okay, well, we all want to get along. I think this plays on the best part of us, but our biggest Achilles heel. People want to get along. They want people to feel good.

And I, you know, if I, if I can help in this situation by saying, man, I'm really sorry that you feel that way. I'm really, it does bother me that you've gone through this. But that's not what's happening here. What's happening here is I'm really sorry you went through this, but then I have to extend it out to. And I am somehow involved in this. I somehow am the cause of your current. pain and crisis. And that doesn't make any sense to me. And I think you hit on something that's very important when you say that that doesn't make any sense to me. I think what's happening is people are

having two different discussions and they don't realize that they're having two different discussions. People look at something, for example, like the George Floyd debt and they see this tragic situation. And on the one hand, there's just universal condemnation of what happened. I haven't heard of anyone. I'm sure there's, you know, somebody out there. I haven't heard any either. And condemn it or whatever. But universally, they condemn this.

But then what happens is people are explaining this in two different ways. There are some people who are saying, see, there's the racism. And there are other people who are saying, wait, you know, there's four officers, two black, one Asian, one white. This white officer did this. How do we just declare? that this is racism. And what that's an example of is these two competing worldviews. One worldview that says racism is individual.

It's an individual heart issue. And that's the world where we deal with the individual heart issue with the message of the gospel. But then there's another worldview that says, no, no, no, no, no. regardless of individual heart issue, this is a structural and institutional issue. Therefore, and this is what boggles people's minds, sometimes they'll say, it doesn't matter what the facts of the case are. This is evident structural and institutional racism. And what that's doing is it's driving people apart because we're having two different conversations that don't make sense to each other. because there's rules to this that are for some people not understood and for others are so clear that they don't even need to be spoken.

So I want to I want to take a quick break because we only have about a minute left. And I want to take a quick break and come back to you and ask you about social justice and white privilege. because you say those are lies and are taking us down the wrong road. And I want you to talk specifically to those people, because I've a lot of them in this audience, that are going to church and they're hearing talk of social justice. Catholics in particular say social justice isn't bad because they kind of go off of this old meaning of social justice from the 1800s, but that was hijacked long ago. So I want you to take on social justice and talk to the pastors and the preachers and the priests

and the people who are listening and trying to do the right thing on where they might be going wrong and what we should be doing. We'll do that in a second. Thank you so much for being with us. We're going to be back in just a second with more. You have to watch his YouTube videos. We'll link him and send him out on social media. But he gives these sermons that are so right on the money and so well-spoken and so clear and clarifying that it's no wonder the left has come after him and his family as hard as they have.

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But let me just say this. Not going to come as a surprise. John Roberts sided with the liberals, which is now becoming the most redundant sentence ever uttered. Of course he did. We have Dr. Vody Batcham on with us. He is the Dean of Theology of African Christian University. He's on Skype with us from Zambia. And I want to talk to you about a couple of things.

We have about 15 minutes here left. So can you please explain the difference between social justice that a Christian would understand and the social justice that is now being preached from many of our pulpits that is an anti-Christian message? Well, social justice has been understood clearly for a while. And social justice is distributive justice. Social justice is about redistributing resources and opportunities. Social justice is not the same as the biblical idea and the biblical concept of justice.

You also need to understand that, Social justice is built on the back of critical theory, which is all about the idea of, you know, hegemony and power structures. And hegemony may sound like a big academic word. It just means that there's a power structure that exists because of the individuals who set the rules of the game. And they did it in order to... The critical theory is Marxist. I just want to throw that in, correct? That's a Karl Marx theory.

Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Most assuredly. All right. Go ahead. Yeah. The idea is that the power structure comes from the elites who establish things.

They set the rules of the game. And they set the rules of the game in order to benefit themselves and their posterity. And everybody else is oppressed because they're not part of the hegemity. This, by the way, is why women, although. although their majority are considered an oppressed minority because the hegemony is white, male, Christian, heterosexual, cisgendered, you know, on and on and on and on. Okay. And so social justice is about really transferring power from those in the hegemony to those in oppressed groups. The individual doesn't matter. And again, this is why this bothers me so much.

much because as a Christian and as a minister of the gospel, I preach Christ and him crucified. I preach the work that he has done and that we need to receive personally. If we get into this critical theory business where everything becomes structural, all of a sudden, this gospel has to either be transformed into something that the Bible doesn't recognize or it has to be cared out. And so this social justice movement, Black Lives Matter, for example, anyone who reads what they believe will see that they are anti-Christian. They are fundamentally anti-Christian. And so this whole idea, this whole idea of the social justice movement.

And I get a lot of flack for it because, you know, either you have conscious bias or unconscious bias or you have internalized bias. if you don't, you know, buy this Gemini, right? You know, so it's interesting how critical theory sort of hedges itself in and protects itself on all sides. Oh, right? It's the same as witch hunts. It's the same as witch hunts. I mean, you know, that's exactly what a witch would say.

Well, I mean, how do you defend yourself? So let me ask, let me ask, I have two more questions for you. First of all, the people that I know, the white people that I, the Americans that I know, first of all, this is happening all over the world. This is not an American problem. It's not a white person problem. You know, the Chinese have concentration camps for people who are different than them. This is the oldest story, and it is the internal struggle of each individual as well as a society. but the white people that I know,

we're all, this is not 1956. It's not 1968. It's not, it's not 1988. We're fine. We want people to be equal. The system is corrupted.

Our founding system is so corrupted that it is causing all kinds of problems. We've never really, you know, lived up to the Declaration of Independence, but we all want to, or most of us want to, but we feel like we're just absolutely under attack, and this kind of message is going to make race relations much worse. How do we help? What do we do without playing into the evil of Marxism?

Yeah, and I'm going to tell you, this is one of the things that really bothers me about this. I've been on social media since the 22nd of May, but these messages have been out there for years. I've been talking about this for years, and they've really been frustrated with this and with the way that the attacks come. I've been trying to talk about this from the perspective of the big picture.

And unfortunately, when you talk about it from the big picture, people tend to think, oh, you just don't have empathy. You just don't have compassion. You just don't understand how bad it is. me who grew up in drug infested, gang infested, South Central L.A., born in 1969, grew up during the crack era, grew up during the crack wars, if you will, raised by a single teenage Buddhist mother.

I wasn't raised in Christianity, never heard the gospel until I got to university. And so for people to try to marginalize me, because I don't understand, I've been pulled over by the cops. I've been down on the sidewalk because I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I know these kinds of things happen. And yet, I still say that these ideologies are poisonous and they have to be confronted because these ideologies actually undermine our message as Christians. I'm concerned about people.

I'm concerned about justice. I'm concerned about souls, and I know where this stuff comes from. I understand where it comes from, and I am not willing to lay down my Bible and have anyone force me to agree with certain things simply because if I don't, they will, you know, they will somehow label me and call me names. I couldn't care less about people labeling me and calling me names. I know who I am before God. my conscience is clear.

And so I'm worried about this like you. I'm also an American who, as an expat in a foreign country. I've been to dozens of countries in the world, and there's two things that I know. Number one, black people in America are the freest and most prosperous black people in the world. Period. Bar none. The second thing is this. people outside of America think that we are the most oppressed people in the world.

And people actually think that things like George Floyd are happening every day, that they're not an anomaly, but that they're commonplace. And the reputation has outside of our borders, it sickens me and it saddens me, but also the reputation that black people have. that somehow we are weak and impotent and that we can't do or be anything unless white people do it for us, which, by the way, is kind of racist. I believe that by race, I am a descendant of some of the strongest people in the history of the world. We overcame slavery. And now we're bowing and scraping like we need somebody to do something for us. Our individuality is at stake. Our self-pride is at stake.

And our trust in God as the answer and solution to our problems is at stake. And so for me, this is a very complex issue, but it's one that I'm very passionate about. I will tell you that I am struck by the first time I went to Israel and I honestly didn't know much about the politics of the region. And I was walking down the street in the old city and there's a place where the Palestinian section stops. It's just one street, one place, it's just an archway that separates the Jewish quarter from the Palestinian quarter. And you walk through it and one is dirty and dingy and dark and the other is light and bright. and clean. And you are within five feet of both of those things. And, uh, and it struck me that one side just says, I don't care what anybody else says. I'm doing this. And the other side is,

has been told for so long, it's because of them. They're stopping you. And I'm the only one that can help you. And it stifles growth. I think the, the, the, the, the, the, black community has been lied to by the progressive movement, uh, really almost since Booker T. Washington, uh, died. I mean, they were lied to before that,

but when Booker T died, there was a, there was a shift from, we can do this. We don't need anybody. We can do this. And it's been this constant battle of, no, no, no,

you're being oppressed even now. You don't even know it. And you'll never get out unless these people. My dad used to say to me, life isn't a series of things that happen to you, Glenn. Life is what you do with those things. And that's the most depressing thing about the message that's coming out of Black Lives Matter is, you're oppressed, you'll never be able to do anything about it unless these people are gone. Well, there's no empowerment in that.

Yeah. Very little hope. That's another thing that I'm hearing. is that there's very little hope. And if our only hope is that, you know, certain people begin to have empathy or begin to do whatever it is that we think certain people need to do, then we have no hope. My hope is in God. My hope is in Christ.

My hope is not in America. My hope is not in white people, black people. And my hope is in God, my hope is in Christ. And what worries me also is as an academic. I mean, I'm a dean. And I'm sure you saw that anonymous email that went out from the Berkeley professor. An anonymous black professor. Yeah.

There are people in academia who are not free to investigate issues and do honest academic. work. And so what we're left with is these simplistic answers, right? And so you have people who quote statistics on this side versus people who quote statistics on that side, right? Two and a half times more likely to be shot by police, 18 and a half times more likely to, you know, shoot police officers, whatever, right? And in both instances, we're giving these simplistic answers where the truth is something that's complex. And so if we have automatically said anybody who picks the statistics from this column is evil and shouldn't be listened to, then we've also said that we are not going to honestly pursue complex answers to complex issues. And what that means is we're going

to use white people, or use black people, rather. We're going to use their story. We're going to use their suffering in order to advance our cause. Glenn, that's what's been happening for decades and what has it gotten us. And so here we are. We have black mayors, black police chiefs. You know, we, you know, we have a president who's a bi-ethnic president, you know, all of these senators and everything else, right? But by the testimony of black people themselves, the feeling is,

that things are actually not better. The feeling is that the questions haven't been answered, and so the frustration grows, and the hopelessness grows, and the alienation grows. And what I'm saying is we're looking for answers in the wrong places. Let's ask the hard work.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I would love to have you back on again and would love to bring you to the United States. Your voice really needs to be amplified. Thank you so much for being on with us. We'll have you on again. My best of luck.

I don't even know what time it is in Zambi. What time is it? In the afternoon? Is it in the afternoon? No more in the afternoon. Almost. Yeah. We're six hours here.

Well, thank you so much for, yeah, thank you so much. God bless you. And stay safe. Go bless. We are going to post his videos. I'll send him out. and send him out on our social media page. You need to hear his sermons.

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He's his website, the rational optimist.com. and he joins us now. Are you in London today, still, Matt? No, Glenn, I'm in Newcastle in northern England, so not in London, but up north. Well, for the rest of, you know, America, that's still London. You know what I mean? Fair enough.

Yeah, there's nothing. Anyway, so Matt, I want to talk to you a little bit about, as we start to go back to work, We're starting to hear that this thing is heating up. And I think the worst thing that any of these officials could do is to tell people that it's okay to go out in March and it was responsible. After telling the rest of us, screw your business, you may lose your job, but you must stay in. Now if there is another wave of this and it is really bad, I think you're going to have a hard time convincing a lot of people. to stay in they're going to say screw you you didn't even believe it well I do think there has been an extraordinary double standard expressed by a lot of

people in the media and officials condoning protests but is still telling the rest of us that we have to stay home and mustn't go out and mix with people you know in this country we're not allowed to go to the pub we're not allowed to you know have have any fun at all but if we were to go as thousands did a couple of weekends ago to London and march in really close proximity to each other and shout and scream, which of course means you're, you know, spreading a lot of droplets in the air, then nobody seems to object. And I do, you know, a lot of us feel that that is a double standard.

It needs to be called out. Either those protests are going to produce a very nasty second spike of the virus or we're going to find that it doesn't do that. And all the evidence so far suggests that it doesn't do that. There's no sign of an uptick, certainly in London, of either cases or of reports of people starting to feel ill and calling emergency hotlines and things like that. And it's already two weeks down the road. So either it looks like this has proved that we don't need so much social distancing anymore because we're into the season when this doesn't spread very well. We've done a lot of the voluntary stuff, which has made it very difficult for the virus to spread. and we can try and get our lives back to normal and get people's jobs back and get people's, you know, cancer appointments back and all these things that we've stopped.

Matt, the America's golden calf of the spring was Dr. Fauci. And now Fauci is saying he wouldn't go to any of these Trump rallies. It's just too dangerous. And now we also find out there may be no immunity. Look what's happening in China. These people should have been immune. They're not immune. and it's coming for a second wave.

So which is it? Is it dangerous? Or can you go out in these crowds and not have any real lasting effects? Which one? And who do we believe? Of course, the true answer is we still don't fully know. This is a new virus, and we are still learning all the time.

However, we can say some things with great clarity. And one of them is that young people are at very, very, very low risk indeed. that if you're over 80, it is a serious problem. It is a very dangerous virus if you've got underlying conditions. And those are the people we need to be really careful and keep away from crowds and keep away from social contact with people. Because young people can spread it, but they're very unlikely to suffer seriously from it. So that's a really important point, I think, that we need to understand.

And on the point of immunity, there are lots of different things leading in different directions. There isn't a huge amount of what you call B-cell immunity, that is to say, antibodies in the population, but there's another kind of immunity called T-cell immunity, which is partially effective, and which seems to be very widespread in the population. Some reports have said 40%, some reports have said 70% of kids under the age of four have this kind of immunity, and that's why they're not catching the disease. Now, why have they got this kind of immunity? Because there are four other coronaviruses that we can.

pretty well every winter. They're called the common cold. They're one of the causes of the common cold and they have given us a degree of immunity to coronavirus and once you factor in that that may be a big chunk of the population is already partly immune, then it turns out that the virus will die back of its own accord, particularly in summer, with only voluntary measures and you won't need these drastic compulsory lockdowns. But as I say, we don't know that for sure. That's the way it's looking at the moment. It does seem, Matt, that the seasonal aspect of it can be both encouraging and discouraging. Like we're seeing some in the United States where there have been some states where we're

seeing a little bit of a bounce back. But it does seem to be at least some seasonal effect. However, does that signify we're in for it in a big way going forward when we get to fall? I think that is a concern because all these respiratory viruses are seasonal. Flu is seasonal. Couls are seasonal. And we don't really know why. I mean, it's just quite interesting to talk briefly about one of those coronaviruses that cause colds.

It's called OC-43. It's the commonest of the common cold coronaviruses. It's highly seasonal. You only get it in winter on the whole. Now, genomic evidence, genetic evidence suggests that that first entered the human population around 1890. Well, it turns out there was a very bad epidemic of what was so-called Russian flu in 1889 to 90, and it sounds very like what we had today.

It hit old people harder than young people. It hit men harder than women. So it could be that that was the first entry of that virus into the population, and it killed a million people, and it spread all around the world. But then it became much more harmless. And it's so harmless now that you and I have probably had it several times. We get partial immunity. to it, but in a few years later you can get it again

and you just call it a cold. So that holds out hope in the long run that this virus will also turn harmless. And the reason that happens with respiratory viruses, not necessarily with other kinds of viruses, is because the virus wants you out there protesting and coughing and having fun and talking to people because that way it can spread more easily. If you go to bed

and lie still for a week and don't see anybody, then that's no good to the virus. The virus needs another destination. So, Matt, have we, is there a definitive answer yet on where this came from? I just talked to somebody who said, no, no, no, researchers have found that China put this bat virus, I think, into a mouse or something. And it's documented over in China with video. They talked about doing it. They weren't weaponizing it. They were just experiencing it. experimenting. And he said, because of that, and he had all the scientific jargon, because of that, it's a, it's a virus that was released and doesn't have any real staying power to it. It's going to get weaker and

weaker. Have you looked into that? Have you heard that? I have looked into this, and I don't know the answer any more than anybody else. We are still very uncertain here, and I don't know what, what happened. But there are several key. things that we now do know. The first is that it did not jump from an animal to a human being in that seafood market in Wuhan. We know that for two reasons.

One, because the animals in the seafood market turn out to test negative. There was no animal they could find that tested positive. The Chinese only announced that very recently, even though they did the tests early in January. It would have been helpful if they'd let us know a bit sooner. Secondly, we know

that it was already very well adapted to human beings in the people who caught it in the market. So what this tells us is that the market was a super spreader event. It was a person spreading it in the market, not an animal. Now that does make it less likely that we need to, well, that means that we need to look for other sources of where it came from. And with respect to the labs, there are several questions we need to answer if we are to rule out the possibility that it's a lab leak.

Wuhan is one of the centres of coronavirus research in the world, one of the two top centres for coronavirus research in the world. They were working on coronaviruses. They were combining parts of one virus with another, making so-called chimeric viruses. They handled the sample taken from a mineshaft in 2013 that is the closest bat sample to the one we have. For some reason, they changed the name of that sample when they announced it in January and didn't say that it was from a mine shaft. We're a little unsure about why that is, but we know that three miners died in that mine shaft

from a pneumonia-like illness that turned out to be a coronavirus. So presumably their lungs were analyzed too. We need to know what that was. We know that when they do these experiments in Wuhan to make combined viruses, they take the so-called receptor binding domain from one virus and add it to the backbone of another. And that's what this virus looks like.

It looks like it's got a pangolin part for one part and a bat part for another. We know they can do that without leaving a trace. It used to be argued until a few weeks ago that if they had done that, they would very clearly leave a signature, a sort of restriction enzyme signature to give it its proper name. We know that they can do it without doing that. So there's a whole bunch of things that we know make it possible for this to have been made deliberately in the lab with a view to understanding its virulence, not with a view to make it. making a bioweapon and that it's possible that it therefore leaked.

Now, to rule that out, the Chinese authorities need to bring forward all the researchers involved in that program and give us a complete and open account of exactly what experiments they did and why they think it did not leak. And then we can be reassured. It's in their interest to do that. How do you think history is going to look back at the response of this? This is the first time in human history that we have shut everything down. I mean, they shut things down in London for the, you know, London plague, but not like this.

This is really kind of a test run of, does this work? Can we even do it? How is this going to be viewed in history as a good thing or, you know, the first in the way we handled viruses? How is this going to be remembered? I think this is going to be remembered as a pretty big disastrous series of policy mistakes. We reacted too slowly at the start, we overreacted in the middle, we relied too much on scientific models, which were flawed in their forecasting. And as you say, we used thoroughly illiberal and compulsory means to shut down the whole of society doing huge economic damage without, and then the worst mistake of all, we let it run rampant through the care home system. both in my country and in New York State, there have been cases where patients were sent from hospitals to care homes without being tested for the virus.

That caused an epidemic in the care homes. So there's a whole series of mistakes that I think I'm afraid are pretty disastrous and we're going to have to learn very carefully from this not to behave that way in future. We ought to have been able to handle this with voluntary restrictions that saved old people who were most at risk from getting close to the virus but didn't interfere with young people going about their business and earning their living. And that, I think, is one of the things we've got to do. In my book called How Innovation Works, I write about vaccines, I write about drugs, I write about all these innovations. And I think the other lesson we have to learn is that we didn't do enough innovation in vaccine development. other things before this pandemic came along because we knew it was possible. I'm so afraid that when we're going to pass this and the same thing is going to happen is going

to happen again. We're just going to lose interest in it once we get past it and then no one's going to follow up. Go ahead, Glenn. Yeah. How innovation works is Stu is, I mean, Matt, he worships a small idol of you. You really changed his life. And I've read your book, How Innovation Works.

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The Wall Street Journal investigation uncovered major government missteps in New York with Andrew Cuomo. Improper patient transfers. Some patients were too sick to have been transferred between hospitals, squabbling between Cuomo and DiBlasio administrations contributed to this uncoordinated effort, insufficient isolation

protocols, inadequate staff planning, the mixed message from the state and the city government, over reliance on federal government sources for key equipment, procurement planning gaps, and, you know, that leaves out the nursing home slaughter centers that that Cuomo had built. Yep. And then they look in and they tried to compare it to what the media was saying to him. And they said many of leadership failures of Cuomo were not the focus of the media's discussion.

Rather, Amy Roarbach from ABC News, concentrated on the important things such as the governor's reaction to being sexualized by lonely wine moms. Wow. Wow. Failure every place we know there was. We knew this was a failure when we saw it. And they were built up, and I just don't think it's going to bid well for the Democrats coming this fall. I really don't. More a minute.

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and it is this Marxist cult that is out now part of this cancel culture, and it doesn't matter what you say. You're a racist, whether you like it or not, and all of these companies that are playing right into this, and firing people, apologizing for things that, you know, they may not have ever done. And I think people are starting to catch on that it could happen to them. There's a story of a principle up in Vermont that is, it's just the most remarkable story. She said, I firmly believe that in black lives, that black lives matter.

But I don't agree with the coercive measures taken to get this point across. Some of which are falsified in an attempt to prove a point. While I want to get behind BLM, I don't think that the people should be made to feel that they have to choose black race over human race. While I understand the urgency to feel compelled to advocate for black lives, what about our fellow law enforcement officials? What about all the others who advocate we advocate for and demand equity for all? Just because I walk around, just because I don't walk around with a BLM sign doesn't mean that I'm not a racist or that I am a racist. Well, she's been suspended. What does she say wrong?

Now, as bad as this is, imagine being fired for doing literally nothing. and then having the people who claimed you were doing something wrong, recant to say, you know what, no, I had it wrong. I don't think it was a racist thing. And your employer won't hire you back. This is what's happening to a California man who was fired from his job because someone, he was on the road, someone took a picture of his hand outside of his truck,

and he was cracking his knuckles. That's what he said. But they said he was forming the okay sign, which is alleged white power. Are you kidding me? Do you not have anything else to do with your life? So his name is Emmanuel Cafferty. He was fired from his position at San Diego Gas and Electric

because the Twitter user posted this, which has now been deleted, said that he was a San Diego Gas and Electric employee, and he was making the white power symbol near a Black Lives rally. Well, he's Mexican-American. He said I just was cracking my knuckles. And he's been charged, tried now, and convicted on social media. And he lost his job.

When the other person said, I got it wrong, San Diego Gas, and Electric didn't care. He's with us now in his first interview. His name is Emmanuel Kemp. Hafferty, a Mexican-American, welcome to the program, Emmanuel. How are you? Oh, other than being unemployed, I'm fine. So when our producers reached out to you, you said you just want your job back.

And then we reached out to, you know, San Diego, Gas and Electric. And they said, our employees are held to a high standard and expected to live up to our values every day, whether in interactions with fellow employees of the public, we conducted a good faith and thorough investigation that included gathering relevant information and multiple interviews and took action in line with those values. While we're not able to reveal the full circumstances surrounding our investigation, Mr. Cafferty's separation from the company,

we stand by our decision and will not be commenting any further. So basically what they're saying is, they know you're a racist, but they can't tell anybody why you're a racist. They're just saying they don't want to admit they made mistakes. So, and do you still want to work with those people? Yeah, I do. I thought it was the best position I could be. I worked three and a half years to get that position.

And the day I was hired by them was one of my proudest days. And to lose it in this fashion, it's, it's like it's basing and yeah I want to work I still want to work there and you say that you have special skills that your job

that you did what you trained for is very specialized and so they're not a lot of these jobs around correct what is it you do underground utility locating so how do you do that do you have to crawl through the sewers

or are you just No, no. You use a scope of some sort? Anytime someone wants to dig, they need to know what's on the ground, right? There's a gas line there. There's a power line there, phone line, whatever. Okay. So, you know, we have special tools that can show where they're at,

we'll paint it on the ground, and, you know, everyone can see where's at. Now, you have three daughters and a grandson that lives with you, and you were fired without any severance. Correct. That was just it. Yeah. How are you paying for things? It's only been a couple weeks so far.

So, you know, I had a little bit of savings. But it's going to be tough here coming up, especially in the COVID climate we're living in. Well, not only that, Emmanuel, but your former company has issued a statement that said that they know you were a racist. They just can't tell anybody why. I mean, I don't know how you're going to find a job with, your former company saying that. I mean, do you have a clan, have you ever been a member of the clan, or do you know things that the average person doesn't know?

Because I honestly, I would look at that statement and say, I'm blackballed forever. Yeah. Luckily, when you look at my face and you see that I'm Mexican-American, it's not going to be the first thing to come up to your mind that I might be a clan member. So you started a petition on change.org. Correct. To try to convince your company to hire you back instead of a fundraising petition, right? This is, you're saying, help me raise enough voices to say, hire me back.

Correct. There is now a GoFundMe account with my name at the GoFundMe. site for legal fees in case because I'm not going to take this standing you know I'm not going to sit down taking this this is just completely unfair if it can happen to me can happen somebody else so I'm going to go as far as I can to make as much noise as I can to kind of write this wrong so are you going for possibly a wrongful termination lawsuit or sue the guy that sick the mob on you for civil damages? Do you even know who it was

that sick the mob on you? We kind of figured it out. We kind of got a name. He's since, removed his account, which is even more maddening. He even gave a statement to the local media,

the news, and basically recanted everything he charged me of doing. Well, all he did is, All he did is said you, he said you were making the white supremacist symbol, the okay sign. And how far away were you when, when that picture was taken? Do you even know from the Black Lives Matter rally? No, I do know.

It's over a mile. So you were sending a message to protesters that were a mile away? Is that what they're alleging? Well, no. They just took his word for it. he framed a picture with his captions, with his story of the version of the story, and they, for whatever reason, either they believe his story more than mine, or they just didn't care, or just because it was that week, you know,

the week with all the racial uprising, and either you just didn't want to deal with it. He believed him more than me. I don't know. but his version of it was full of lies. The way he put it on Twitter was just full of lies, and that's what happened, and I'm doing with the repercussions. We're talking to Emmanuel Capriety, who was fired for allegedly giving a white supremacist signal as he was driving past a rally.

Emmanuel, as I look at this, what I see... A mile, a mile past the rally. A mile past the rally. What I look at, what I look at... when I look at this, I see a situation where a lot of people are really stupid on social media and a lot of people allege things that are false on social media and a lot of people do really stupid things on social media. And while the person who alleged this is seemingly clearly in the wrong here, it's a

totally different standard to be held by an employer. They seem to me to be the one who is really at fault here and have taken, I mean, they've smeared your name, they've smeared your reputation, they've taken, they've taken, they've taken your job. They really are the ones who are, in a way, confirming this ridiculous allegation against you. To me, they seem to be the ones who are most at fault here. Is that how you see it as well? No, no, I don't.

I see, like, what this guy did, he's like a real-life troll. He put me and the company in a tough position. One, they'll have to make a decision whether, you know, company like that, they're going to just saying, we have no patience for racism. They're going to have to, you know, make a big, bold statement. And unfortunately, for me, I ended up being a sacrificial lamb for that. But had this guy just stayed in his own lane,

had this guy not went out of his way to take a picture. First of all, I'm not even making a white supremac gesture in the picture he takes. Right. And if he didn't put that online, tagging my appelling every new news out in the city none of this will happen

the actions of this one troll is the reason why I don't have a job today it's a very adult way of handling it I don't know that I would have the same restraint but I would say it does give the company a real out here and a possibility to make this right where they can rehire you

and and make this into a situation where you know social media got out of control they made a wrong decision and can correct it. They still have a window here. It seems like you're giving them Emmanuel, and they should definitely take it. And it's more than kind. I personally would be living off of the profits of a litigation suit

that would never go to court because they would settle for big dollars, because unless they have something on you that they really can't say, they've just said, we fired you. Yeah, and well, that might not be right. We did our investigation in homework, and this guy, man, Is he a racist? And I think you're going to have a hard time finding a job after that.

Yeah, yeah, they could say that. You could say that my interaction with him at all is against their public image, and that's why I'm fired. Well, I wish you the best of luck, Emmanuel. I'm sorry this happened to you or anybody, but I appreciate it. And like Stu said, you're being much more, I guess, Christ-like than I would be. but the best of luck and you can go to change.org or

to what's the other one? Go fund me. They're raising money. Yeah. Go fund me. His name is Emmanuel Cafferty. Emmanuel Cafferty. Thank you so much, Manuel. I appreciate it. God bless.

Does anybody else think that that's just bowing down to this company? I mean, these companies are bowing down to everybody. If you don't teach these companies a lesson, they're not going to stop. They'll throw anybody under the bus. Yeah. Throw anybody under the bus. It's an interesting approach there because it seems like he really does want the job back. And I certainly would not want to come back to a company that treated me that way.

But I think he's looking at this and saying, look, I, you know, this person made a false accusation. I can understand why companies get pressured into these situations, especially in this current environment. So he's given them another chance. I mean, this is a gift from this guy. He does not have to provide this gift to this company. They should take him up on it. Yeah. One of the most common tactics is, cyber.

criminals used to perpetrate their scams is sowing fear if they can convince you without giving you know without giving you any information really to give to give them something a personal information you're going to have everything in your life skid sideways all of a sudden and once they've got you on that hook things like your identity and reputation can be toast in a heartbeat i mean yes you could go to work for san diego power and and gas but you could also have somebody do it to you, you know, and you're not working for them. You know, you haven't done a good job for them. Doesn't have to be this way.

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