The Glenn Beck Program - The Woke Firings Begin | Guests: James Lindsay & Ben Domenech | 6/17/20

Episode Date: June 17, 2020

Even France is taking a tougher stance against violent protests than the U.S. TPUSA ambassador Reagan Escudé describes being fired from her job after criticizing Black Lives Matter from a Christian perspective. James Lindsay, author and founder of New Discourses, discusses “the cult dynamic of wokeness” and how the idea of “antiracism” fits the definition of cult doctrine. Glenn speaks with Ben Domenech, co-founder of the Federalist, after NBC News worked with foreign activist groups to try to ban the site from Google ads. Aunt Jemima syrup is rebranding after cries of racism. Sen. Tim Kaine said the U.S. created slavery, but Glenn has the real history. Popular Mechanics wants you to know how to safely tear down racist statues. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the program. We've got a very good show lined up for you, including a guy who, I don't know how he expects to survive in today's world, even for the hour that I have him scheduled for. I mean, this is probably one of the braver people on the planet today. It was going to take on Black Lives Matter, and the cult of wokeness. You don't want to miss a minute of today's show.

We're about to hear is the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck program. Hello, America. Oh, we've got the latest from Bill de Blasio in New York. We have the latest from Seattle. NBC News and Google and what they're doing to ban voices. We have the most dangerous cult in America, a hot topic today for the show on tonight. But I want to start, no, no, not with the French, not with the freaking French, and what the French are doing right now.

Because I think that, I may, I may have an ambulance. I call the ambulance. My head might. on the news of the French today. I know you haven't heard it yet, but I have. But I don't want to start there. I want to start with something. There is something that happened yesterday,

and I failed to mention it, and I think it's very, very important that I start there. Something probably a little controversial, a little controversial, but we do that in one minute. This is the Glenn Beck program. All righty then. All righty.

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I was actually, stop. I was actually complimenting you for not doing it because you know what I was going to talk about yesterday. and I want to be, I know this is going to, look, Elon Omar, I believe, is a grave threat to our country. But yesterday, her father died. And I didn't say anything about it. And I regretted it all night.

Even though we have our differences, I know what it's like to lose a father. And that is really, really hard. And we're still human beings. And I know what it, what an impact it is to lose your father. But as if that wasn't bad enough, she also lost her father-in-law at the same time.

And I can't imagine what it's like losing both of them at the same time. And I don't know what to do. I was going to send a bouquet of flowers, and then I thought, do I send two bouquets? Because if I only send one, do I look cheap, you know? And then I thought of what her life is going to be like, she has to attend both funerals.

And God only knows, you're under enough stress when your father dies. But then your father-in-law, and it's, what's worse, it's her ex-father-in-law. So she's got to go to the funeral for her ex-father-in-law, and her ex-husband is going to be there. I mean, imagine the tension. And can she go with somebody else? Could she bring like her brother, you know, just to be there to comfort her with the ex-father-in-law?

Or should that just be her ex-husband that comforts her there at that funeral? I don't know. I don't know. But what a coincidence and a really horrible, horrible thing to lose both your father and your father-in-law in the same day. And, I mean, I don't know Somali tradition. Do you have two graves? Or do you... Or is it just two headstones or...

Ilanomar. Stop. That was insensitive and absolutely wrong. I can't believe that. I should be banned from all airwaves and really run into the mountain. Oh, I'm already here. So I'm okay. By the way, let me just start with the French.

president, Emmanuel Macron, Macron, announced yesterday, quote, we will be inflexible when it comes to tackling racism, anti-Semitism, and discrimination.

And new strong decisions will be made to reinforce the equality of chances. But this noble fight is perverted when it turns into communitarianism and into full, Rewriting of history. This is unacceptable.

I will tell you very clearly tonight, my dear fellow citizens, the Republic will not erase any trace or any name from its history. It will not forget any of its deeds or take down any statues. Now I'd just like to point out, this is France! The world's pansies! They're taking a stand. Good heavens American men. where have you gone? France is shaming

a France! France! They'll surrender to a squirt gun. They're taking a stand. Meanwhile, in California, they're removing finally, finally, the statue of Columbus and Queen Isabella from the rotunda of the Capitol.

It's only taken on like 138 years. That thing has just been screaming racism for 138 years and they're just getting around. Well, I want you to know, California, I still don't forgive you. I still don't forget. You take down that racist statue from your return. You go ahead and erase what those white people in Spain did, okay? but those banyards which were very well you you you can erase it but you will never erase my memory of your racist erasing of racism i'll tell you that right now

good thing mac ron wasn't around here because he would well he'd actually no he wouldn't be on your side gosh darn it whoever thought we would look at a French president go, well, he's got balls. Stu, welcome to the program. I notice you're unusually quiet. Don't want to get, don't want to get involved on any of this, do you? That sounds like a terrible idea, yes. Yeah. So I'd like to invite you in on this one.

PepsiCo has just announced that Aunt Jemima is racist. and they are going to no longer, well, they're going to make the syrup. They're just going to put it into, I don't know, maybe a bottle shaped like me. And you can pour your syrup out of my head. Maybe. And I would take that. Colonel Sanders, I have been saying to KFC, I am Colonel Sanders. Look at me for the love of Pete.

You are. You put a bucket in my hand and a white suit and a little bolotie. And I am Colonel Sanders. And I love fried chicken. But they won't let me be the spokesperson. So I'm offering my services to PepsiCo that they can make a syrup bottle in my shape. There's a lot of room for syrup. And I know it's like the jumbo family size.

It's only available at Costco for sure. Right. Right. And you can pour the syrup right out of my head. And that's great. I care about it. So I'm glad that people is probably just understanding this or like they've had this product for a very long time. It was created in 1889.

So I don't know. I would say by today's standards, literally everyone on the planet who was on the planet in 1889 was probably racist by today's standards. So any product from those days would be something we'd have to eliminate right away. Maybe we should just start deleting and changing all the names of every products every two or three years. That way we never run into this problem again. Look. Well, I don't think we should name it after anybody. We shouldn't name anything after anybody or build any statue unless they're, you know, unless they're BLM activists, you know.

Right. And I'm sure, I'm sure the BLM activists would be fine having syrup poured out of their head, you know, and help PEPs. sell products. I'm sure they would be happy with that. Oh, I'm sure they would. I just can't understand the reaction to this. The idea that a product that's been around since 1889 needs to go away now because people are protesting someone who was murdered by a police officer. Like, these things don't connect. They just, they're removing a statue. Have you seen the statue of Isabella and and Columbus. Yeah.

It's enormous. It's enormous. Incredible. You know, I have to tell you, I would love to tell you the story of the capital in Washington, D.C. And a story that most people don't know. But I honestly thought about it today. When I read that, I thought about telling that story. I'm like, oh, you're all you want, I'm never going to tell that story.

I'm never going to tell that story because it will, it will absolutely move. It will move us into people will say the Washington, D.C. Capitol needs to be changed. What? Yeah, no, it's true. They're just changing everything. Did you see the situation with Bob Odenkirk and David Cross, the two comedians? No. I love these guys. Yeah, I mean, they hate me, but I love them.

Mr. Show with Bob and David was on HBO back in the 90s, the greatest sketch comedy show of all time, in my opinion. Of all time. In the correct opinion. And they brought it back for Netflix for a few episodes. By the way, by the way, Stu will be rounding anybody up and chopping their heads off if you disagree with that. Anything. We have a little different standards than the regular protesters.

We're just about movies, entertainment, and comedy. These are the source of things that we can implement in our new autonomous zone that we're putting together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so there is a sketch comedy show called Mr. Show with Bob and David. They brought it back on Netflix in 2015 for like three or four. episodes is kind of like a throwback to it. And in one of the sketches, and it's funny how fast these things turn, but in one of the sketches, there is a parody of basically like a libertarian YouTuber. Remember this is a thing for a while where like libertarian YouTubers would go out like

by police and they would film themselves and they would kind of be antagonistic and keep saying things like, look, it's my right. If you have no right to ask me what my name is and you have no to ask me to roll my window down and you have no right to take my documents, I'm a free citizen. The state law says, you know, like that whole thing. So they're parodying that phenomenon, which is funny because to parody that phenomenon, you have to make the police officers look really nice and understanding, which is the exact opposite of how they are portrayed today by entertainment. But so they go through this whole sketch and he goes through like a checkpoint, a DUI checkpoint.

And he keeps trying to antagonize the cop and the cop's just like, you didn't do anything wrong. like he's totally playing along and not caring about what all of these like crazy things he's trying to antagonize him into. He wants to get himself filmed being a victim of police brutality and can't get it to happen. It's essentially the sketch. So he goes through like five or six times. Finally on the last time he decides to put on blackface and go through as a black man, right? And as he goes through, then the white cop sees him, comes over. He's like, is this the guy that's been coming through all these times and starts spraying him with pepper spray and drags him out of the car?

and beats him up on the ground. Now, there's a bunch of points being made, and it's also just funny, but one of the very fair points you could make from this sketch is that he's saying black people get treated worse by cops than white people.

Yeah. Right? And white cops are the ones doing it, which is essentially exactly what Black Lives Matter is saying today, right? Like, it's exactly their point. Netflix has announced because David Cross is wearing blackface in the sketch,

they're deleting the sketch from the series. like wait he's making the same point i mean that's better i mean that's better look those guys are so left you know they are they're always lecturing they're and these guys will say oh well they're just canceling that sketch we apologize for that sketch we shouldn't have done that sketch now they're pretty pissed off and they'll actually mean it well they're they're pretty pissed off about it bob and david they're like oh we made these decisions intentionally like we did not you know Good for you. Like, they stood up for their material, which they should.

Again, like, what is the problem with blackface? It's not the paint, right? It's not the makeup color. The problem with blackface is the motivation behind it. I brought up an example, actually, last night on Stu Does America, Glenn, and it was you were the one that made me think of it. It's because I remember going to your house and watching you burn American flags. And it's like, holy crap.

Like, I don't want to burn American flags. That's a terrible thing. That's against America. We don't want that to happen. I want to cancel you for doing that. Well, when you actually, it's not the burning of the flag. That's the problem. It's the motivation behind the act.

When you look at the motivation behind the act, you would say, Glenn, it was an official retirement ceremony of a flag done with military and police from around your area to, do you remember the ceremony? Do you remember what I'm talking about? Yeah, no. We had the, we had the Connecticut police honor guard. Yeah. And their job, part of their job is doing ceremonial retirements of flags.

And so we looked it up and did exactly what we were supposed to do. This is the days before Facebook and social media. So nobody's ever seen it except the people that were there. And it was a very, I actually have thought about doing it this year at Fourth of July and do carry it on Facebook. Yeah. Because I don't think people have seen it. And it's very respectful. It makes you feel a little weird, though.

I mean, you're seeing a flag burn. But then you realize, because you're an adult, you think it through and you say, well, this is actually. the appropriate ceremony and how the honor guard does it. It's the same thing with this sketch. Blackface, yes, it can be used for 100 million bad reasons. And of course, you should never do it because you're definitely going to get fired. But the motivation was to parody racism. It was to degrade racism.

Doesn't that even count? We're not even adults enough to understand the motivation behind a message. It's pathetic. Is it not? Yeah, it is. It is. We're going to get to a lot of things that are going on today, including we have,

James Lindsay on with us here in just a little while. If you don't know who he is, he's one of the three scientists that, you know, they did those fake reports and then got them to be peer reviewed. And they were all like, you know, they just took mine conf and put white people instead of Jews. And it was peer reviewed and it was fine. These guys are real rebels. They're lefties, but not communists, not Marxists. They actually believe in freedom, but he is coming on today. He is going to talk about the cult of wokeness, and I have read his work on it, and it is pretty powerful.

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And, uh, no, surprisingly not the great state of, uh, of Texas, but the pretty darn good state of Idaho. we're glad you're listening today. Thank you so much. Did you hear the story of the guy in California that was just driving down the street and he was in the California gas and electric truck or whatever the hell it is? And he has his handout and he's cracking his knuckles. And as he's cracking his first knuckle, he kind of makes the, he kind of makes the

peace sign or the okay sign, which we all know is racist, which is not racist, which is not racist, which was it was it was started as a meme and it was started by one it started by like four chan people that were making fun and saying let's try to make everybody believe yep so it's not even racist it was a it was a joke it was trying to show what sheep americans are americans are yeah so he's cracking his knuckles well somebody takes a picture of it and said oh my gosh look at this racist making making this racist hand sign why would you i mean i mean i mean mean this anyway he loses his job he then uh has the person uh who who wrote this said i didn't mean for him to lose his job i mean i i may have i may have been wrong about that and he says

you were wrong about it i was cracking my knuckles now he's a Hispanic guy so the person that filed the not even the complaint just social media, hey, what's going on? That person has said, no, I was wrong. I was wrong. It wasn't a racist thing. The gas company will not hire him back. He wants his job back.

I don't know why he wants his job back. We called to see if he ever would get his job back, and they doubled down. The first national interview with him is coming up on tomorrow's program. You don't want to miss it. It is an unbelievable story. but this is happening everywhere. Reagan S. Q. Who is a Turning Point USA ambassador,

also a Christian, she made a video, and she was talking about why BLM is not a Christian movement. This is not the way Christ would want us to do things. Well, my gosh, somebody in her office saw how offensive that was. and within 15 minutes she lost her job. We have Reagan on the phone with us.

Hello, Reagan. How are you? Hi, I'm great. How are you? Good. So, Reagan, were you named after Ronald Reagan? You know, it's funny. My nickname growing up was Reaganomics.

My mom called me that, and I still answer to it to this day. I don't know what she named me after, but my nickname definitely is attributed to him. Okay. So, Reagan, what did you say that was so horrible? And Sarah, please be ready on the edit button. Go ahead. Well, you know, I was really, Mr. Beck, I was addressing the evangelical church. Seeing the way Christian pastors and leaders have been just twisting the true gospel of the Bible

and making this social gospel narrative was really upsetting and sad to me because I feel like it's very misguessing. leading to believers. And so I posted a video discussing the Black Lives Matter organization, what it stands for, and why Christians should be focusing on the gospel, which ultimately reconciles hearts and fixes the sin problem of racism, rather than calling for action and, you know, focusing on racial reconciliation and things that are not of Christ. Well, there's no reconciliation. With BLM, and this movement, there is no racial recognition. There is beg for forgiveness, but you can't really even know what you're sorry for

because you don't know what you're guilty for because you're white. And you have to go through them for forgiveness. And there is no forgiveness, as I just pointed out. The problem with that is the only one that can truly grant forgiveness is God. You're coming in because you're white with original sin. Well, that goes against. We don't hold people responsible for what their fathers or their great-grandfathers did at any time. God doesn't hold people responsible.

He holds you as an individual and never a collective. This social justice garbage that is being shoveled by many of our churches is just that garbage and an affront to God. When man declares there's an original sin that you have to pay for because of what somebody else did, 150 years ago, and there is no real forgiveness for you because you're white or black or yellow or orange, it doesn't matter. That's an affront to God. And I don't know why churches aren't getting this. Yeah, I definitely agree.

And I think, too, Mr. Beck, there has been a Trojan horse of social justice within the church for a very long time. And I think, you know, after the George Floyd incident, things have come to their peak. And so the church is kind of in a place where if they don't address this, it would be an injustice to congregants, it would appear. But it's a shame, really, that the church has drifted so far from teaching theology that they have to, you know, as Scripture says, tickle the ears of those willing to listen. And they have to call for worldly virtuousness over spiritual righteousness.

And it's just a dangerous line to walk. I think you have a congregation of people who come to church on Sunday to hear the gospel and walk away in worship, but many church leaders are sharing a motivational speech. with scripture sprinkled in so that congregants walk away with a worldly call to action, which ultimately does not save. So the reaction when you posted this, you didn't think you'd get any blowback or did you? I don't think I expected to get as much as I got. Most of my following on social media is Christian conservatives who very much, you know,

hold the same beliefs I do. So I really was speaking to them. I did not expect it. And, you know, obviously social media reaches everyone. But I didn't expect it to blow up the way that it did. And so, I mean, I got backlash. Excuse me. I got backlash probably for a solid 24 to 48 hours.

And it just, it was a lot. But I think it's something people needed to hear. So I haven't taken it down. You lost your job because somebody in your office saw this post. and said, you are a racist and need to be terminated. And within 15 minutes, I'm told you were in the office of the boss, and they were talking about you and your job. True?

Well, so it was actually an ex-employee. So someone that I actually used to work with, and she made a post and called me racist, homophobic, and she tagged my employer. So, of course, then, you know, the mob on social media knows where I work now. and so they made calls in to the company made death threats to the owners and um it i don't really know how bad it was i know they had to get law enforcement involved to patrol the area and protect the building um and it just it just blows my mind that that's that's the way we're going

so when you were brought in and you heard this i know you didn't want anything to happen to anybody else um were they were they angry with you or what was their reaction? Was it like we got to get the mob off our back? Well, I think they were, so I first, they first called me because I've been working at home due to all the COVID regulation. And so they called me and said, you know, it's been brought to our attention about this social media post.

We're going to put you on paid suspension until we complete an investigation. And so I kind of was just all day, you know, heart rate kind of going high and not really sure what to expect. And then by 5 p.m. that day, they called me back and said, you know, due to the measures we've had to take. We've come to the conclusion. We have to terminate your employment. And I think it was something that they didn't want to do. And I could kind of hear that in their voice, but it was one of those things that they felt like their hands were tied. They said you resigned. Yes, they did. And that's a whole other thing. We, on the phone, they offered me the option to resign. And I said, you know, I,

appreciate that option. And I guess they took that as a commitment. And so, and actually, an hour later, I called back and said, you know, I've made my decision. I'd prefer to be terminated. But my separation notice does not say that. So. Right. Right. So would you do it again? Oh, absolutely. You know, I've kind of, the way things have gone down, you know, I feel like, and I don't have hard feelings towards the company I worked for at all. I mean, they have always been wonderful and taken care of me. But I do feel like this could have gone. on a completely different way.

I feel like they could have fired me and done what they did, or they could have protected me and, you know, press charges on those making threats because those really were the people in the wrong. And so, you know, looking back, it's like I don't think I wouldn't change anything I did. I said what I said. I still stand by what I said to this day. And if an employer, because of something I posted not on company time, you know, not related to the company.

It just kind of has solidified for me the fact that it's not worth my time. Reagan, you are, I think the first person I've talked to that has actually lived the scripture of he who will lose his life for my sake will gain his life. you are the first person that I think I've talked to, Stu, correct me if I'm wrong, that has actually fit that scripture. And you've had the bravery enough, you've been brave enough to stand up against the mob and say, I'm sorry, but the Lord would say this. And that is a big deal. There's a lot of cowards out there, many of us. And I, you know, I have been pushed to the wall, but I have not been pushed to the wall.

the wall like even you have. I don't think. Nobody's threatened enough. Well, no, I take that back. Anyway, but you really fit that scripture. And congratulations. Congratulations. Keep it up.

Thank you. You back. The whole time all this was going on, I just kept thinking of John 15 where Jesus said, if the world hates, you know that it hated me before it hated you. Yeah. And as Christians were expected to have persecution, We're guaranteed persecution, as a matter of fact. Yeah.

So, you know, the worldly reaction isn't really a surprise to me. I think what was a surprise to me were the number of people that I knew and grew up with who said they were Christians and who have, you know, studied scripture, and I've been to church with them, and they still, they have fallen for this social justice gospel. Yeah. Reagan, thank you very much. Reagan, S.Q.A., I will tell you, the same thing that I said in 2000, I think, think nine, if you're going to a church and they're talking about social justice,

you need to do one of two things, either run for your life or make your first stop your pastor's office or your priest's office and say, what do you mean by social justice? There is no such thing as collective salvation. There is no such thing as the redemptive power of the whole. There is no such thing. I mean, it's amazing to me, the people who argue faith versus works over and over and over and over and over and over again will actually be the same people who are fighting for social justice. That's an affront to God. When someone says there is no forgiveness for this sin which you didn't commit, you're asking to bow down to an altar of a false.

Scott and I stand by what I said 11 years ago on social justice. It is something that has been misconstrued. It started out as a good thing, I think started out as a good thing. Some people still are convinced that it means just help the poor, etc. It does not mean that anymore. And you need to know it and study it and get away from it. When I say study it, you better hurry because all of our history, our dictionaries, everything, are being changed as we speak. You need to keep a diary on what is true and what you know and do not go over the cliff with the rest of humanity.

I want to say something to you real quick. She said, don't have time. I just, I want you to be here with me on July 2nd. On July 2nd, we are going to be doing something that I think is, um, it's very reminiscent of the 9-12 project show that we did. And I want you to gather your friends and I want you to, I want you to watch it with your family and your church. It's very, very important.

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James Lindsay, he is the author of Cynical Theoryes. He's also the co-founder of new discourses. And he has been causing quite a storm. with some of his latest writings and tweets on the cult dynamic of wokeness. You know of him because he was one of those guys of the three scientists, including Helen Pluck Rose, that put together these peer-reviewed scientific papers and show that the peer-reviewed process was garbage

if you use the right language. He's taking it a step further now, not trying to dupe anybody. He's just explaining why wokeness is a cult, and he's here with us now to do that. James, how are you? I'm good. How are you? Well, I'm wondering how you think you're going to survive this.

One day at a time, I think. Yeah. So, you know, I've been following your first. tweets and been reading your articles on new discourses.com. And you've come to the same conclusion that I have that this is absolutely a cult and a new religion that everyone is apparently jumping on the bandwagon for. And I wanted you to take us through your thinking on cults. And I think, what do you have, five different.

points on the cults, and it starts with cult initiation. So talk to me generally about what brought you here, and then let's get into the initiation. Okay, so several years ago, like you said, the social justice movement, as it sometimes gets called, or wokeness, my colleagues and I noticed probably as early as 2013 that it's definitely got very religious undertones. And in fact, in 2014, 15 and so on, we started to develop those ideas. And in 2018, we started to go public with them. So we spent some time really looking into it.

And so in early 2018, we did a talk, a public talk at Portland State University, is intersectionality or religion? And we laid out some big parallels. We talked about how, for those of you out there listening to have a theological background, it has an Augustinian framework under it, it's based off of a very, confessional model. You have to confess your original sin of racism and oppression and all of this. So we laid that out. Then I wrote an article in late 2018, in great detail, very long, 15,000 words explaining how it really is a religious movement. And like all religions,

certain heretical cults can spawn within them. And so now we're facing what appears to be a very cult-like set of behaviors. And like you said, I lay out three points that lead into a cult, and then there's two more points that talk about what a cult looks like and how you get out of it. And so the first stage coming into a cult is initiation. The second stage is indoctrination, and the third stage is reprogramming. So just kind of give the map there. It's a slow process. It's gradual. It's not like, you know, somebody snaps their fingers, and now you're in a cult. You don't like go to the grocery store, talk to the wrong person, and the next day, you know, you're wearing a funny uniform and handing over your kids or something.

It's a slow process. This has been, and this has been a very slow process in our society, starting really with the PC movement. So it doesn't necessarily start out bad, although I thought PC was pretty bad, but it played on our better selves to be to be better. and we have slowly been boiled here to the point to where now you can look at the world and say, how is this changing so fast? This is, there's a lot of people now in this cult, right? That's exactly right.

There are a lot of people who are either in the cult, probably somewhere between five and ten percent of the country, is actually, you know, in the cult, which is that's a lot of people. And it's tens of millions of people. And then there are many people beyond that. that, much like you would have like a, with a religion, you have people who are really into it, and then you have people who just kind of go to church sometimes, right? So you have these social justice people who just kind of, you know, they know the language, they have the kind of, you know, the moral impulse, but they're not really studying it. They're not deep into it. And now those people

who are closer to it, who had some of the ideas who had taken up some of it, they're getting it full blast. And what happens in that cult initiation process is they start. to full blast hit you with emotional vulnerability. They try to make you feel emotionally vulnerable. In this case, they're telling people, our whole society is racist. Racism is terrible, and you're complicit in that. You have helped everybody be racist. You have made these terrible things, like, you know, these claims about how black people are being shot by police every day, which aren't true, but that's what they call their lived experience. You're complicit in that. That's what they tell people.

So it creates an opening of emotional vulnerability. And the initiation process begins by creating and inflaming that vulnerable place and then sticking the cult doctrine in to make you feel better. So you'll take it up. So now did, so did we play into the initiation process in our own selves by allowing people to say that the whole country is racist? and us kind of sitting here going, well, it's not, but I see their point on this and this. Did we kind of ease or grease the rails here for them?

Yes and no. I don't think it's really fair to say that we did too much of that, but I will stick a couple of institutions or maybe three with a lot of blame on this because they didn't try to say, okay, I see your point. Let's be reasonable. it's not, but they didn't do that kind of like, let me hear you out perspective, which I think is totally fair and reasonable from anybody. You have our universities, you have our schools, and you have a lot of the, as you know, it often gets phrased mainstream journalism, the media that have all

taken this stuff on whole hog. The media did it because it gets clicks. Hot takes get clicks. They get, they get views, they get ratings. Lots of people pay attention. So it's kind of a perverse incentive there. The education program and the universities did it, however, because first they didn't have the guts to stand up to this crackpot theory that it all comes from. I've dedicated the last several years of my life to studying this crackpot theory under this cult, and they didn't stand up to it when they should have. They didn't stop it when it was rising up. The last time anybody really tried to fight these ideas in what's called critical race theory in the academic literature was in the 1990s. They just kind of folded it.

Let it go because I didn't want to be called racist. That's basically how this thing works. It doesn't really have any arguments. Its cases are very weak. It does have a point each time it makes a point. And people say, oh, I see how you see that. Let's hear about it. But it's really like the worst possible way to analyze it.

And then all these academics didn't stand up to it because they would get called racist. And then there maybe would be a department review. The next thing you know, we had a Supreme. court case and started installing these diversity offices, which gave it administrative power. And the university is basically just folded. And what happens in the university, five to ten years later happens in culture. So here we are, you know, five to ten years, twenty years later. So when we're going through the initiation stage, the reason why we're susceptible to this

is because we do want to do the right thing. Like, you know, when somebody says, look, you're on the side of racist. nobody wants to be on the side of racist and you can't even understand how you're racist just help us dismantle the system we're building a better world here that appeals to us and so that's we kind of can half-heartedly

get into the front door like that that's exactly right I mean I don't like to usually use words like this but that's why this is actually an evil cult that's why I would be I would say more of a cult than I a religion. And it's because it's playing upon people's best instincts to turn into something different. It's telling you, no, we just want to get rid of racism. But that's not true. They write

on almost every page of their literature that they want a radical overhaul of the whole system that gets rid of liberal freedoms. They say it explicitly. They do not just want to get rid of racism because they believe the first pillar of this theory that's called critical race theory is that racism is the ordinary state of affairs in American society. That's the first idea that they have. So the only way to get rid of racism, when they say we just want to get rid of racism, is to completely tear down the entire system that we have back to the Constitution and build a new one that they've wanted to social engineer for us. And it's evil because they play on our best instincts. They lie to us, and I mean that, they lie to us about

what the word racism means, what the word white supremacy means, and they manipulate our emotions, they play upon our willingness to do the right thing and then turn it into something completely different. And I wish I was exaggerating. And like you said, nobody wants to be associated with racism. So they have this cultural nuclear weapon that calling somebody a racist. I mean, you look at any example you want. Now there are so many. You can't even pick one to just hone in on where people are losing their jobs because somebody on the internet called them racist.

So you can ruin somebody's life with. one accusation of racism, and then this cult tactic has ideas like white fragility, has this weird definition of racism, weird definition of anti-racism, so that if they call you a racist and you deny it, now all of a sudden that's proof that you're a racist. That's literally a witch trial. So, James, I'm going to come back. I've got to take a one-minute break for a sponsor, but the other thing that they have going for them, you said they have a nuclear weapon. And the other nuclear weapon that they have is the media and culture. Nobody wants to be an outsider.

Everybody wants to be in the cool kid club. And if they call you a racist, you're a way on the outs of all of society. But then also there's this reward that you're in the cool kids club if you're with them. And that's what the media provides, I think. That's what Hollywood provides. And that is extraordinarily powerful as well. Back with James Lindsay in just a second. Really, really smart guy for him to use the word evil as a rather big deal if you know James Lindsay.

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We break for 10 seconds. So James Lindsay is with us. And James, we were talking about first the initiation. Just that first thing to get you in. and then they have you make a few other little steps and start separating you from the trust of any kind of outside influences. And then we get into full cult indoctrination. Tell me about that step. Yeah, so that's exactly what you were saying right before the break where you said that, you know, the media creates this cool kids club.

and your, you know, the culture around this kind of leftist culture that's developed has been very exclusive for a long time. You know, there were articles a few years ago. I remember where it said you couldn't hang out with your left-wing friends and be comfortable. And these were written by left-wing people who were scared that this was a bad sign as they were correct. Because, you know, maybe you ate the wrong kind of hamburger. And somebody is just half tell you, oh, it's not organic beef or, oh, it's not this, or it's not that. There's all this nitpicking. And they said, this is a really bad sign.

And so what this is is exactly what you were just describing is it's a separation away from people who think differently than the cult. So they initiate you by giving you these manipulations on your, on your emotions. And then they give you the doctrine to fill in that space and make you feel away from that bad feeling of vulnerability. And then they start to tell you that they also shower you with praise and acceptance. Oh, you're one of us now. you're, you know, welcome, welcome, you know, you're woke, you're on the right side of history. They tell you all these good things. Then they start to tell you, well, you need to not listen to other people.

Conservatives are literally Nazis. Don't talk to conservatives. They say things like that. You can't read conservative sources. If your parents say something racist, don't listen to your parents. Call them out. So they start to create separation from other people in your life who might have a moderating force or a moderating belief that might stop you from going, further into the cult. That's typically how cults work. This is where there's another model of

cults that's called the B-E model that's put together by a guy Steve Hassan, B-I-T-E, and the letters, it's an acronym. The letters all stand for something. They're forms of control. This is where the indoctrination process involves behavior control, information control, thought control, and emotion control. And that's where they really start to do this in the indoctrination program. Meanwhile, they constantly get you to, quote, do the work or educate yourself. You hear these phrases all the time now. What they're telling you to do is go read their literature. And now they have these huge apparatuses. Every company I know of is making its employees read white fragility, how to be an anti-racist, all of these books that are, I mean, I've read these books. These

things are very much in the vein of pushing people in that direction. And, And it's just one side of a story that's rather poorly argued in every case. And they're number one through five bestseller or top ten bestseller books right now because every company, every agency, every everything is making everybody read them. And so that's this stage. They're indoctrinating you. They're feeding you the literature of the cult while making sure you have access to no other sources to contradict it. That's why I'm building new discourses.com is because I want to.

to give people a fair but outside perspective. Okay, we'll talk to, we'll talk to James. The last step is cult reprogramming. And then how do you get people out of this cult? What does all of this mean? You can find him at new discourses.com, new discourses.com. All right. Well, here we are.

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Tonight on Blaze TV at 8 p.m. Eastern, Stu Does America, followed by Glenn Beck. On Blaze TV, go to blaisdivy.com slash Glenn. Cult Dynamics of Wokeness by James Lindsay, who has just started a new website, New Discourses.com, where people can actually speak freely. tonight at 9 o'clock, I'm going over the most dangerous cult in America, and it's the same cult we're talking about now. And our guest tonight is going to be Adam Carolla. Based on just what he has said recently, I'm not going to bow down to anybody. I am not playing this game.

And, you know, when you look at what's happening, this is becoming a religion. You are a sinner unless they say you're saved, and if you don't bow down to their God, you've got to be destroyed. You're part of the evil that is going on, and it's becoming very, very dangerous. Now, we've been talking about the steps on getting you into this cult with cult initiation, and then there's cult indoctrination,

and then cult reprogramming. And this is really dangerous because this goes beyond just saying, you know, you've got to say the right thing and don't say, you know, don't engage in wrong think. But this actually goes now right deep into Marx. Am I correct on that, James? You are, actually. That is where if you really trace this back, it's evolved. It's much different. You mentioned that I've got the book Cynical Theory's coming out in August, and that book traces one element of how this has evolved, the postmodern element, which is also rooted in Marx.

And so it does. That's what this is. And so what people don't understand and why this is so dangerous about this woke cult is that it's not just some wacky kids on college campuses or their professors or people in the media saying weird things. they actually have been taught to think in a different way, a completely different way. And the way that works is by getting people to do little steps, you just mentioned the, you know, bowing down or taking the knee or whatever it is, they get you to do little steps that increase your commitment, right? So you say there was a thing that they just showed from the autonomous zone in Seattle where they gave a speech. It went viral. And the deal was, you know, you need to go find a black person and give them $10 or you're not really.

really committed. That was the statement that the guy is. It's kind of like tithing. But the thing is, it costs you money. The guy even says, you won't want to do this. And if you don't, it's because you're not committed. It's a step to make you do something symbolic and costly, to make you identify yourself as a person who believes in this cause. And so they start to reprogram you. They've already indoctrinated you with the ideas by making you read the literature and do the work. And again, this is a process. It doesn't just happen. It's like the stages kind of blend together and mix together. And then they get you to do costly things like humiliate yourself or make public declarations,

crying in front of a camera about how sorry you are and then still keep firing you afterwards. They make you give up your job. They make you give money to causes or to people. All these things are meant to build commitment to see yourself more and more and more as the kind of person who participates in this cult. And like I said, the goal is to get you. you to think in a particular way that nobody really recognizes. That's where the Marxism, that's where the neo-Marxism, and that's where the postmodernism

come into this. That's how they want to think. And this is conflict theory. This is Marx conflict theory, which I don't think very many of us even know what that means. So explain conflict theory. Marx is, I mean, a lot of the people associate, they hear Marx and they just think communism, and that's the end of it.

Marx's most dangerous and most important idea was conflict theory. What he believed is and what he pushed is and what that spirit of Marxism that's pushing through to wokeness today is, is the belief that society has different social groups that have different social standing, poor, rich, capitalist versus proletariat, whatever it is, different ones. And they are automatically in conflict. They're at war with one another for status and opportunity. Now it's the matter is race and other factors of identity like sexuality and gender and so on, but it was economics with Marx. So this is the same idea that these different categories have different levels of status and society and they're automatically at war with one another. So one of the ways this cult makes you think is I belong to an identity group.

In fact, I identify with an identity group and that identity group is at war with the other identity groups. Yeah, that's dark. So, so, James, you go into how to get people out of this cult, and you don't, not a lot of hope there. It's hard. It's really hard to get somebody out of a cult. Luckily, like I said, most people aren't in the cult. At the moment, a lot of people are really having their first sincere encounter with it. And I keep hearing now letters I get from people where people are kind of taking it on.

They're reading it and then they're saying, what is this? You know, they read Robin DiAngelo's book, White Fragility. It's very difficult. I'm not going to call Robin DiAngelo any names, but it's very difficult to read that book. I've read it a few times now and come away with all you can think is, wow, this woman is struggling with her own issues about race and has written it down and basically said everybody's racist because she can't deal with her own problem. that's the feeling you get. And so a lot of people are identifying that. And I see a lot of people taking it up, but a lot of people rejecting it too, which

means there is hope. There is the ability, in fact, what usually gets people out of a cult when you can do it, especially when it's in a very early stage, is getting them to see the unfairness, getting them to see how inhumane it is, or getting to see the contradictions. A good example is white fragility. When you read it the way that Robin DiAngelo puts it, it sounds all kind of nice, but something is off. I hear that over and over again. Something's off, but okay.

But if you highlight what's off, white fragility is a doctrine that says if you're accused of racism or white fragility itself, and you say, no, that's not true. Or you just say, I'm not going to do this. That's supposed to be you exhibiting white fragility, which means racism. So when you boil that down, it means that white fragility, says there are two kinds of people who have racial privilege in the world. One of those is a racist who's willing to admit it, and the other is a racist who's too fragile to admit it. So it basically says everybody's a racist. And when people see that, they say, this is crap. When they see that no matter what you do once you're accused of racism, it just proves your racism, people aren't stupid.

We're not stupid. We know what a kangaroo court looks like. We know what something bogus is. And so that kind of thing can snap people out of it. This is more than a kangaroo court. This is more like, I think, the Salem witch trials. You know, if accused of being a witch and you say you're not a witch, that that's exactly what a witch would say. What did you just say? That is how history will write this chapter of our time, is that this was a new, you

know, whether it's Salem or whether it's the European ones, which were much more deadly. This is a new period of witch trials. in which the witches are racist. The time before was that you were in collusion with Satan or you were in collusion with the devil or you had demonic influence, all this invisible stuff. And then if you denied it, well, that's what if somebody who had demonic influence would say. So clearly you must be a witch. And now you're a racist.

And if you deny it, you must therefore be a racist. And so they even say it in their literature, though, right? It's not even fair. They say there's no such thing as not racist. no such thing as it. It's impossible. So you can either be racist or you can be anti-racist, but still also necessarily racist. Anti-racists are also racist because there's no, not racist. Except for them. No, that's the thing. That's why this is so dangerous. They believe that everybody's racist and there are only two types of people.

They are also racist. They're the people who will go and cry and confess to it and dig themselves, deeper into the cult and those are the relatively good people and then there are the racists who won't dare admit it and those are the bad people Wow James I can't thank you you make Beth feeling right out out oh yeah wash it off your

yeah yes yes uh hang on Stu I think has a question yeah James quickly because you got this has really been amazing to hear this stuff is this the same same thing that's sort of echoed in the crazy sort of self-punishing celebrity videos that we

see where they apologize for everything and take responsibility for all the terrible actions they've apparently been a part of all these years? Absolutely. That's them, you know, reacting to that emotional manipulation. So they're told that, you know, you're a complicit in racism, that they get this emotional vulnerability, this guilt, the shame, guilt and shame are the main ones that they're playing upon. And then they have to take this action.

And what do they do? I take responsibility for it. And they're crying and so on and so. forth, getting very emotional and trying to induce emotional reactions and the people watching it. Taking responsibility, though, is showing commitment and learning to identify as a person who thinks that way. That's exactly an example of this. James, the author of Cynical Theories, he's also the co-founder of New Discourses.com, where you

can have an open conversation and find facts on all sides to try to find the truth. I so admire you, James, and I know that we've met before and I've had you on before, but you and your colleagues are remarkable because you don't necessarily agree with me. I don't know if you agree with me on anything, but you guys have taken incredible hits and been ostracized from your own communities and on all sides. I just admire your willingness to stand for the truth and really seek the truth no matter where it's found. And no matter what the cost is, you're a rare person, James. Thank you.

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Wow. Thank you, James. He borrows a lot of stuff for bait goods, though. You got to make sure you guard your sugars and your butters. And that would be good, but my neighborhood wouldn't let somebody like James Lindsay in. James, thank you so much. God bless you. Thank you.

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This is the Glenn Beck program. You know, they say I'm paranoid for saying that people are following me, but people are following me. There's no such thing as being paranoid enough, I think, anymore, especially if you are a conservative in the media. Yesterday, the Federalist, which is a buttoned-up website, the Federalist, was temporarily banned. Now, Google said they were never banned. It was never a problem.

Well, we'll find out in just a second. but NBC reported that after some collaboration, they finally got Zero Hedge and the Federalist to be banned from all advertising from Google. That's a problem because Google controls now, I think, about between what, 60 and 80% of all advertising in the United States. They're the biggest ad agency in the world now. You don't get advertisements from Google. You don't usually get advertisements. But we want to look into a little bit on not only what happened, but who is now advising on hate?

Thank you, NBC News, for bringing up a really interesting subject. Who is Google listening to? And who are they coming for next? The co-founder of the Federalist in one minute. This is the Glenn Beck program. Somewhere in America, within the sound of my voice, there's a man, hunkered down in the vast wilderness, peacefully listening to a thousand harmonizing voices, the sounds of God's good old world waking up to yet another day.

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Packing out the camp and heading off to the woods to see what there might be on the other side of that mountain. If he could pick how he could spend eternity, he'd probably be doing that. He'll spend his day walking comfortable in a pair of Tocovus boots. It takes 200 steps to make them all by hand. That seems about right. to him. Something with integrity.

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So I'm going to ask the guy who's involved with this story to start. us off. Ben Dominic, he's the co-founder of the Federalist, the podcast host of the Federalist Radio Hour, and we want to talk about Google attempting to demonetize

his website, The Federalist. Ben, how are you? I'm good. In fact, I am talking to you wearing my Toccovus right now, so I did not... Are you really? Yes, I really am wearing them. They're really great boots, aren't they? They really are. They're great.

They're wonderful. You know what, isn't wonderful is big tech and their animosity towards anyone who conflicts with the narrative, capitalize it. And in this case, it really does look like NBC News, irritated perhaps at our coverage of their really, I think, terrible behavior over the last several couple of years, not just, you know, hiding the truth about Matt Lauer and Harvey Weinstein, but also, of course, their activity when it comes to the Russia collusion hoax. And more recently, they're pretending that these riots and violence playing out across America were in no way connected to the protests. They attempted to come after us. And I think that they really screwed up, Glenn,

in a way that is backfiring. I know for a fact that. at the 24 hours trying to prevent a crackdown from Capitol Hill. And to continue to see over the coming weeks and months even. You know, Glenn, it's a real canary in the coal mine moment of waking up. It is. The reality that these tech companies are going to come for all of us. And they are going to do so in ways after anyone who questions the narrative that they have about the world that we live in and the country that we love.

Ben, I tell you, I am preparing for the day that the only way to reach me will be to go and type in the address, glenbeck.com or the blaze.com. And even that is sketchy. There will be no social media. We will be demonetized everywhere. And I think that day, Ben, could happen a lot faster than we think. Think, look how much change has come in just the last, what, eight weeks. We're in an entirely different country talking about things that we wouldn't even thought rational eight months ago, six months ago. You know, Glenn, I look across this country and I believe that we're in very much a cultural civil war

employed by channel other than Fox News on TV during the daytime. And I don't speak for her, but she has been, we've gone through in these past several weeks. And she has asked me repeatedly, what do you think this is, where do you think this is going? Do you think it's going to even pro gun on TV outside, outside of these institutions? And I've just told her, no, towards a moment where you have to have the total federalist or that others have behind you 100% because otherwise they will take you down. They will demonitize you. They will make it impossible to do your job. because they hate you.

We could have a debate, where we could have it back and forth. I mean, that's what we love as Americans who like debate. And I know you love it, Glenn. Right. But that's not possible with a mob that does not believe. So tell me what you think here about the NBC News. I don't even know what she was. A researcher or a reporter, knew from at NBCVC,

thanks to FS fake news and CCD hate. for their hard work and collaboration. And what she was saluting was the fact that you and Zerohead would no longer be able to generate revenue from any advertisements served by Google Ads. Who is this person? I've never heard of this person before. She's a London-based journalist, and I do put that in close, because I don't believe that she was acting as a journalist here. She was clearly as an activist. She was trying to be platformers.

Yes. And working with a small leftist organization in the UK that attempted to come after us. And Glenn, here's where I think they screwed up. Here's the mistake they made. I think that the gap of knowledge in between, you know, across the pond between America and the UK meant that they assumed we were some irrelevant blog that they could frame as being racist or unacceptable, when in reality, as you know, we are well-connected, well-respected in terms of the world of Washington in terms of our coverage with people like

Molly Hemingway and Sean Davis and others. And so we had members of Congress and senators reaching out to us immediately. Ted Cruz sent a letter this morning demanding to have some clarity from Google about what's going on. Josh Holly, Tom Cotton, and Marco Rubio are introducing legislation to crack down on Google this morning. I think that this is a moment where we are going to have to come to grips with the fact that these are the most powerful entities controlling, as you said, an enormous percentage of the ad revenue, an enormous percentage of the conversation. They are media companies, and they should be... Yes, they are the public square now. This is the public square.

and they control all of it. And they said that their problem was with you. It was not any of your reporting. It was some of the comments made by people reading, which I want to know, have they demonetized YouTube? Have they demonetized Facebook or Twitter? Because... Oh, my gosh. Glenn, those are the most toxic comment fields that you can find.

Exactly right. We took our comment section down. for the moment because of this demonetization threat. Comments will be back. I am not going to let them bully us out of having those. Personally, I don't really wait into comments. I think that they're a little crazy, but, you know, people blow off some steam there.

But my attitude is we should not have a situation where only people who are advocating for, again, a questioning of their narrative, this leftist narrative about what we're going through. they're the ones who have to respond for their comments. Not the New York Times, not the Washington Post, not mediaite, not YouTube, not any of these other places that they are perfectly comfortable with, Glenn. And to me, this is a sign of how they will utilize their lackadaisical approach to rules, where they just say, oh, well, if you are center-right,

then we're going to go down chapter and verse. We're going to look through all these rules to find a way to screw you to come after you, okay? But if you are on the right side of the narrative, oh, that's fine, that's just, you know, that's just debate. We're letting that happen among your users. It's ridiculous, Glenn. It can't be allowed to continue.

And as you said, they have a monopoly on the public square at this point. It's as if you had big paper, you know, like the inability to print anything other than what they allow. Right. So the organization that went after you was a started, by Amran Ah, Emran Ahmed. I have no idea. Gosh, I'm sorry. Yeah.

Anyway, he's a trustee of victim support, which sounds wonderful, sits on the steering committee for the commission of countering extremism, the pilot task force there in London, and that's wonderful. He also authored the book, The New Serfdom, the triumph of conservative ideas and how to defeat them. He wrote that with a Labor Party MP. also a political advisor to the Labor Party. They also have big high-profile supporters,

such as the mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, who is not an extremist at all. You have one of the Secretary of the Labor Party. You have several Labor Party activists, former speechwriter for Gordon Brown. This is a far, far left organization. I'm wondering where they get their money, but it sounds to me as if this is a London version of media matters

that is doing exactly the same thing, and they're hammering places like Google, and Google is listening to them. One of the things that we have to be mindful of here, Glenn, is that these big tech companies, as many smart people as they employ, they're not very bright when it comes to these political matters. And in this case, I think that they were easily manipulated by a bunch of lefties who decided to, you know, in mass, report a bunch of our comments or other content that we had

and basically say, why are you, why do you have any ads on this site? Now, I will say Google Ads is not our primary source of revenue, thank Lord. And so, you know, even if we had lost them, we would be fine. But it's the sort of thing where it's more about the branding involved of saying, you know, we're going to brand these folks as unacceptable for any ads to run. And the left understands how to manipulate this scenario. They understand how to go into these ad components, these communications shops, and put some things in front of them and say,

why are you running ads on this person's site or that person's site? And from my perspective, the real situation here is, we have the resources to fight back, but others do not. There are tons of people out there, you know, small businesses and small blogs and individuals, professors and alike, who could be demonetized by this, and they would not have the ability to get on the phone with Ted Cruz and say, we're going to fight back.

And that's the thing that I think we have to be really concerned about because that's going to continue. The left no longer believes in free speech. They have ditched the old values of the ACLU. They have ditched the Bill Maher, the Howard Stern of the 1990s. They have thrown them aside. They're coming after Howard Stern. Yeah, I know. You're crazy.

It's insane. Ben, thank you so much. And anything that we can do to support you guys at the Federalists, we're all in this boat together. You just let us know, Ben, we stand behind you 100%. Thank you. Thank you, Glenn. I truly appreciate it. God bless you. God bless you. May I suggest to you that you subscribe to, I don't care if it's the blaze. Well, I do care if it was a blaze. I think the blaze provides you the best bang for your dollar. But if it's not us, please subscribe because we are going to be choked off, and I believe sooner rather than later.

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It really, it really is. You never would have expected. I remember. When, like, just going into, like, the lockdown stuff. I remember when it was happening in Italy and us having a conversation on the air about how, like, that could never happen here. American people would never accept it. And then we were in the middle of it just a few weeks later. And the whole world has changed.

And now you're to the point of where we're canceling pancake, you know, icons and syrup icons over, you know, the racism that it was involved in 1889. Mrs. Butterworth will get hers. But so far, Aunt Jemima has been called out. and PepsiCo has killed, well, not killed, but finally set her free from those syrup chains that she has been wielding for so long. But I don't know about,

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Stu does America and Glenn Beck TV back to back. From the Standing Rock Rand. Welcome. It is the Glenn Beck program. I just have to again just say a word here about somebody who, you know, I think is a danger to the nation. But, I mean, we're all human. And my sincerest condolences on the loss of Elon Amar's father. I know what it's like. and to lose your dad and your father-in-law on the same day,

Stu, I mean, don't try to bring me into this. Don't, I'm not, I'm not, no, I'm just saying that is, can you imagine how hard that would be?

Are you? To lose both on the same day? My gosh. You know, your, your sympathy is almost overwhelming and the sincerity of it is just powerful. No, sincerely, I mean, I,

man, it's, I can't imagine, she's got to go to her father-in-law's funeral. And I don't know if she can go, you know, with others. I don't know. Did her brother get along with a father-in-law?

I don't know. So can he go? And the tension that would be there because you know her ex-husband is going to be there. So she's got to do that. People understand what you're saying. I don't know that you necessarily need to explain it further. I think people, I think people get it. You're thinking, you're thinking that I may have gone too far?

I just, I mean, could they have the funeral first? I mean, I don't know if there's a, if there's a specific line. Which one do you hold? Which one is first? I hope they don't conflict. You are the worst. Is this how you're dealing with the pain of life? Because I know you, you go to dark.

places when yes it is i have the darkest sense of humor anybody who listens to me you know you come up and you're you're hanging out with me and the family all the whole family we have the darkest sense of humor it's true and it has been the way you people run yeah and dealt with us over the years for sure yes yes and uh and usually people run in horror they're like oh my gosh they're like so dark yes yes we are yes we are you know the the World is a dark place these days. I don't know if you've noticed most of it seems to be on fire as far as the country goes. We're barely able to come outside of our homes.

The 20 million people are out of work. There is a, there's a tad of a negative vibe I've noticed in America right now. I don't know if you've noticed this same thing. I have not. No. No. No, I haven't. A negative vibe.

I mean, just because we've been told that we are raised. We're a racist country. We want to kill people who are different than us. We hate all people. We want them to die outside of hospitals without any kind of insurance. That this country never did any good. It's always been bad. We invented slavery.

That was the new one yesterday. I mean, why would you say that we would be a little testy or negative? It's a great question. I think you might be able to figure it out. I'm just amazed at the way. I can't. I still am trying to figure out whether I should send one bouquet of flowers or two. Sorry for the loss of your dad and sorry for the loss of your father-in-law. But I don't know which to do. I mean, will I look cheap if I only send one?

So you have Adam Carolla on the show tonight. That's a big. I do have Adam Carolla. It's a big get. What are you going to talk to him about? You seem like you're trying to, yeah, no, it's actually not talking about it's, but talking about what he said last week, that he won't bow. He's like, I'm not going to apologize for my whiteness. I'm not going to apologize because I'm racist and don't know it. I'm not going to do it.

And on tonight's, huh? It'll be interesting to see. I would like for you to ask from if you have time. Because one of the interesting parts about this, this whole controversy, we talked about, you know, they're canceling Aunt Jemima. They're canceling all of these cops has been canceled. You know, live PD has been canceled, all of these things. You know, Paw Patrol.

gone. I hope not. I stand with Chase, by the way. I mean, first of all, they'll be there on the double whenever you're in trouble. So, I mean, that's an incredible guarantee. Right now, that's who Seattle should call. You've got oh, somebody's robbing your business and burning it down? Paw Patrol will be there.

Paw Patrol is better than, it's more likely than the police because the mayor's going to stop the police from doing the work that they want to be doing. Yeah. But like, one of the interesting thing is and this gets brought up all the time, is a close friend of Adam Carolla's Jimmy Kimmel. On the same day that they're canceling sketches on Netflix

with Blackface. They're going through all these things. Jimmy Kimmel was named a host of the Emmys yesterday. I know. And you know, Kimmel, like, look, I, I, it's brought up a lot that Jimmy Kimmel did Blackface in his, in his impression of Carl Malone, usually as like, oh yeah, well, he should be canceled too. That's not how I feel about it. I don't think this stuff, I think this stuff

is completely nonproductive. But you see this stuff. Because you were a compassionate man, right? You have. have you sent flowers? You're a compassionate man. You care about people. And I know you care deeply about Jimmy. Jimmy Kimmel.

We have. I'm talking about Jimmy Kimmel now. I would like you to ask Adam about that. Because, I mean, Jimmy has played a role in this sort of canceled culture thing, which is odd coming from him. At least that's my impression of it. And there's a guy who came up on the man show with Adam. They did all sorts of things that you're not allowed to do on TV anymore. I mean, that was the whole show.

And, you know, to see, you know, like, I would think that a Jimmy Kimmel would be constantly defensive of anyone who's taken out because of the material they've done in the past. And I don't know if that's, that's not for Adam necessarily to answer for Jimmy. But, I mean, there seems to be a big disagreement there. Yeah, as long as, I mean, I think people think as long as I play the game, I'll be safe. I mean, they have no idea they're going to come for, to eat Jimmy Kimmel and. all the rest. I mean, if you don't agree with everything, I mean, look what happened with the French Revolution.

It just kept mutating and getting worse and worse and worse, and even Robspierre, who started it. He became a traitor to the revolution because he wouldn't hold up the ideals. Well, the ideals keep getting worse and worse and worse. I mean, that's not what we agreed on in the first place. And that's what's just going to happen. It's just going to happen. And, you know, God bless him.

I'm sorry. I'm just, ooh, I am just so broken up. Are you broken up because you're worried about how Senator Tim Kaine thinks the United States created slavery? Is that the thing? Because maybe we should play that clip. No, I haven't played that clip yet. No, I really. I don't know.

Do we have the clip of that? Because I think we should play that clip. We should just play it right now. Just play it, play it quickly. First African-Americans in into the English colonies came to quite comfortable. Virginia in 1619. They were slaves. They've been captured against their will, but they landed in colonies that didn't have slavery. There were no laws about slavery in colonies at that time. What would they do? The United States didn't inherit slavery from anybody. We created it.

It got created by the Virginia General Assembly and the legislatures of other states. It got created by the court systems in colonial America and sense that enforced fusion of slave laws. it was we created it and we created it and maintained it over centuries and in my lifetime over centuries finally stopped some of those practices but we've never gone back to undo it wait in his lifetime in his lifetime which i knew it i knew he was either an alien or some sort of long living living lizard form um but in his life life in his lifetime they've stopped We've stopped some of those practices. Wow.

Yeah. So he was around, you know, before Lincoln. That's incredible. The other thing is, I just want to point out, do you know how slavery started, Stu, here in America? Do you know how it actually began? Certainly do. It's 1619.

That's what the 1619 project told me. No, that's really weird. That's not what, that's no. Uh-uh. indentured servitude. Indentured servitude was something that has gone away a long time ago, but it was very normal back in the day. What would happen is if you, let's say, wanted to make a trip to America, you could become an indentured servant. And what that meant was somebody else would pay your way, but you would have to work those wages off over a certain period of time.

and so they would provide room and board and also move you to the United States, but you had a contract, an indentured servitude contract. So every bit of your work you did went to pay your debt. After a certain given time, that would be over, and you would no longer, you could be on your own and be your own person. Well, here in the United States, there was an individual, I hate to even point this out because everybody knows. how evil white people are. And there was an individual who had an indentured servant,

and he was brought over to the United States, but he was not a slave. He was an indentured servant. And this white owner decided to go to court and say, you know what? He's been lazy. He's been slovenly. He's never really done any of his work. I think I should be able to own him lock, stock, and barrel. I don't think I should ever have to release him. He would be basically my slave. And the judge agreed, white people. Except the guy who was making that case was a black man.

The guy who actually put the first slave law into action was a black man. The first man in America to own a slave was a black man. man. So, I guess that kind of puts a hitch in his knickers. And I say that, hitching his knickers only because he's been around forever. He's just been around forever. That's true. I would agree with that.

It's an interesting concept that we created it. I had not heard that one before. He is now clarified, I guess. Yeah, you know who also didn't hear that? Pharaoh. He was like, wait a minute, I thought I was a pretty early adopter of this system. Yeah. But no, Pharaoh.

I actually think I have the most amazing fact of that entire segment, because there's a lot of them, as you've unpacked several of them already. But I think the most amazing part of that Tim Kane monologue there is that did you know, Tim Kane was the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2007? 16. Like, he was on the ticket, I swear, with Hillary Clinton in the race that Donald Trump won. No, you're mistaken. No, I swear, it's that guy. No, she didn't. No, she didn't have a running man. No, she did. It was Tim Kane. People don't remember this because he's the least, he's the most forgettable person in human history. But he actually was on the ticket as the vice presidential nominee in the last election. No one knows this. It's actually technically true. And you would think that Hillary would have had somebody, you know, competent or new history at all. Oh, yeah. That's a, you know what I mean? Requirement.

If Hillary is going to have somebody, it's got to be somebody really, really good on American history. But Tim Cain, I'm going to check on that. I don't think you're right, but I'm going to check. Thank you so much, Stu. And again, condolences. All right, let me tell you about our sponsor this half hour. And Sarah, I don't have, oh, I'm on the wrong hour. Sorry about that.

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How to remove a racist statue? The physics of taking down statues. Should you happen to find yourself near a statue to decide you no longer like, we ask scientists the best safest way to bring it to the ground without getting anyone hurt. And so they've said the physical approach, the force required to pull down a statue isn't as great as you think.

According to mechanical engineer, Scott Holland, most statues are bronze using an alloy of 90% copper and 10% tin. And so they talk about how you can do it, but they also talk to you about how you could use liquid nitrogen if you drill a hole by the ankles and just fill it with liquid nitrogen, because then it'll be so close. cold, it'll just break the ankles and the statue will come down. And I really appreciate this, especially because it's from popular mechanics.

This is an article from popular mechanics. Wow, I guess everybody's getting into the act now. I don't know how they're going to take the statue of Isabella and Columbus out of the state capital rotunda now. It's been there for like 135 years, too. Could you get popular mechanics on the phone, see if maybe they could help us on that? How do you get that out? The lawmakers yesterday passed a bill that would get rid of that eyesore and that racist

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