The Glenn Beck Program - 'Us vs. Them?' (w/ Ian Bremmer) - 4/26/18

Episode Date: April 26, 2018

Hour 1 The Fourth of July has come early?...Kanye, Trump and Twitterverse blowup...the left tried to bully Kanye into submission...Kanye + Trump = Bromance...will it last or is this just a publicity stunt? ...Dave Rubin: 'the beginning of the end for the thought police'...don't mess with the Kardashians, when it comes to social media ...'Make America Dinner Again' tonight, 5 PM EST only on The Blaze ...Why won't Obama go to bat for Ronnie Jackson?   Hour 2 Bullied by teachers...Trump Derangement Syndrome is alive and well in public high schools...Spanish teacher bullies student for using Fox News as a source? ...'Us vs. Them: The Failure of Globalism', author Ian Bremmer joins the show to discuss...Life and society have become erratic, and globalism has left many people displaced...common and shared values are disappearing...A.I. could be the end of the 'middle-class' worldwide?...China is leading the way with robots    Hour 3 Playing out all over again?...Dallas police officer shot dead ...Blaze contributor, Jonathon Dunne gives Glenn an update on Baby Alfie Evans?...the culture of death is winning ...French President Macron steals the show in D.C....urges the  U.S. to return to the Paris Climate Accord ...Global warming likely to be 30 to 45 percent lower than climate models project? ...Make America Dinner Again = The Island of Misfit Toys ...Stu forces Glenn to make his 2018 NFL Draft pick predictions? The Glenn Beck Program with Glenn Beck and Stu Burguiere, Weekdays 9am–12pm ET on TheBlaze Radio Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Blaze Radio Network. On demand. Courage. Truth. Glenn Beck. Well, the Fourth of July came early yesterday. I don't know if you noticed that. I mean, if you were on Twitter, it was the Fourth of July.

Twitter left was all ablaze with the thought of one of their own, defecting to the other side. The betrayal! The loss of trust, traitor! Kanye West. Yes, my cracker, I'm actually talking about a rapper. This is still the Glenn Beck program. Don't adjust your radio.

But Kanye West has been making waves in the Twitterverse in the past few days by showing support for President Trump. And also, and this might have been the biggest sin of all, actually challenging the narrative that African Americans always have to tow the Democratic line. It all started a couple of days ago when Kanye tweeted support for Turning Point USA and Candice Owens. With a seven-word tweet, he lit the fuse. The meltdown began after Kanye tweeted, I love the way Candice Owens thinks, end quote. That's it.

Instantly, the left began calling West a tool of the far right. First, it was the alt-right. And I'm trying to get my arms around. Wait a minute. The Nazi guys, the racist guys, they love Kanye West and he's part of them? Come on. There's absolutely nothing far right with Candace Owens, but the liberal mudslinging piled on. If you're curious about the kinds of things Candace says, you know, that has the left in such uproar,

she makes points and brace yourself for this. Like, if Black Lives Matter really cared about Black Lives. they might help stop Planned Parenthood from killing African-American babies. Oh my gosh! She didn't say that, did she? What a racist! Well, to the left, that language is tantamount to a unforgivable sin. You are out of the club.

As the left tried to bully Kanye into submission, as per their standard operating procedure, he didn't back down, and here are just a few of the heretical things he dared tweet. There was a time when slavery was the trend, and apparently that time is still upon us. But now it's mentality. Self-victimization is a disease. Whoa, whoa, whoa, what? Here's another one. Obama was in office for eight years, and nothing in Chicago changed, end quote.

That one is the one that put the left into a tailspin. I don't know anything really about Kanye. West. Everything he is doing right now might just be an elaborate promotion, you know, for a tour or his next album or what, I don't know. But even if that's the case, I love the way he has wittingly or unwittingly made this point regarding the American political climate. He has lit a fuse now at the cultural level. How ironic was it that literally within seconds of tweeting this, the thought police want to suppress freedom of thought, that the liberal thought police went into action trying to smear Kanye

and everyone that he was supporting. You see, freedom of thought is dangerous to hardliners. On both the left and the right, they need to call you traitor. They need to call you a heretic, which they have to do it. On both sides, the hardliners will do it every time. And the left has a lot of hardliners. Freedom of thought is the unforgivable sin. If you dare listen to somebody with an opposing view, or heaven forbid, challenge the narrative,

you're beaten into submission. It doesn't have to be this way. So promotional stunt or not, I applaud, I can't believe I'm saying this, I applaud Kanye West for bringing this to light. I might have to start paying attention to Kanye a little bit more, but I don't really want to go so far to find the rap section in the record store. Do they even have record stores? It's Thursday, April 26th.

This is the Glenn Beck program. You know, I, I had a very interesting conversation with Dave Rubin, who I love. Dave Rubin is a guy who I disagree with on a few things, but I don't think very many. He is a remarkable, honest broker. He's a guy who has taken on the left. He was a progressive, and he realized, you know, I don't think I'm a progressive. and was actually on young Turks and realized he started listening to them.

And he was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, if that's what we're supposed to believe, I don't believe that. And last year he came out and said, I'm a libertarian. I'm a, I'm a constitutionalist. I'm not with these guys because these guys are the thought police. these guys are leading us down a road of tyranny. And I spent about a half an hour with him yesterday on television. We did another 20 or 30 minutes off air, and I'm going to play some of it today and another clip of it tomorrow. He is a remarkably brave man who has challenged his own people.

And he had an interesting viewpoint. on Kanye yesterday. He said, think what you want about Kanye. He said, but he has started a fire in culture now. He said, you know, the Kardashians, don't go up against the Kardashians. They're really smart at social media. And he said, here's Kanye lighting this fuse of free thought. And even if he's doing it for promotional purposes, look what's happening. He's bringing. He's bringing. He's bringing out and dragging it into the public that there are thought police on the left. He really believes this is the beginning of the end for the left and thought police. You remember, what killed it back in the 1960s were two events.

One was Altamont and the shooting or was it the stabbing, I think, at Altamont. and the left just went too far with violence. And the other was the Beatles song, Revolution. You say you want a revolution. Well, that whole song was, no, they don't want a revolution. You're carrying around pictures of Chairman Mao. You say you want to change the Constitution? Well, we want to change your head.

You're carrying around the pictures of Chairman Mao. it's not going to work anyhow. So those two things were the culture, getting into culture and saying, I reject this.

Is Kanye West the beginning of that fuse? Welcome to the program, Steve Regere, otherwise known as Stu, for some reason. Thank you, Glenn. How are you?

I think Dave's probably right there. We can't ignore these things because they're such big deals. You know, and when these, cultural things happen as we've seen. I mean, you know, they, they wind up taking over everybody's thought process for multiple days and sometimes do make big changes like that. It's a bit frustrating. I mean, we are so starved for any celebrity attention on the right. Like this guy

that everyone seemed to agree was completely insane two days ago is now the conservative hero. And that's just really... I don't think though, but I don't think that Dave's, I don't think that's Dave's point. Oh, no. I mean, Dave, sure it's not. Yeah, Dave is not like, hey, he's a hero of the, what he's saying is, the guy has just brought this into popular conversation. So now it's down, it's out of our circles. It's out of talk radio circles. I mean, I could care less. Really, could you care less about anybody, you know, more than, than Kanye West? Yes, I don't care at all. I don't care at all. I don't care at all. However, the people that everybody's been trying to reach and say, wake up.

How do you not see this? He's reaching them. Remember, we kept saying, you know, yeah, because nobody cares about the Constitution. Nobody cares what's going on because they're watching the Kardashians. Guess who he's married to? I mean, it's a really big deal. No, it's true. I mean, I think this is, I guess what I'm expressing.

is something different than what Dave's expressing. What I'm expressing is a frustration at the reality. What he's describing is the reality. It is the reality. Yeah, I know, I know. And so he's right. I mean, this is, this is, this will move more people than any spreadsheet, any graph, any constitutional argument.

You know, it's just the truth. It's just where we are in our society. Right. And it's not going to move people towards being conservative. It's going to move people to say, hey, I don't have to accept your junk. Wait a minute. You're shouting me down? I don't think so, Jack.

I'm not a loser because you say I'm a loser because I support this person or this person, or I've listened or talked to this person. Yeah. And so there's a breaking of this log jam of where everybody was just falling in line. No, I've got to, no, I've, no, they're not cool because all the cool people say they're not cool. Well, wait a minute, here's a cool person saying, I don't know. I think some of this stuff is kind of cool. Yeah, I mean, was it Dave or Jonah Goldberg?

Who were we talking to the last couple days who was talking about going and talking to colleges? Or maybe it was Ben Shapiro. And it's talking about how you go and talk to colleges and you say, do you realize, you know, you think it's rebellious? You think it's rebellious to side with the left-leaning media, with the left-leading professors with left-leaning faculty and you go through all of this like what's actually rebellious and here's something that I think is really that could actually come out of this at some point

if you can define rebellious as being as questioning Thomas Jefferson but questioning you know questioning the status quo with the left and the way these things go where every African American has to be a Democrat a 92 to 96 percent of African Americans will vote Democrat over and over and over and over again. When it becomes rebellious to go the opposite way, that's when you may see change.

And Kanye West is smart enough. Again, I think he's completely insane 95% of the time, but he's smart enough to realize that at least, at the very least for publicity's sake, he realizes that being rebellious, the craziest way to get attention right now is to say something that could possibly be construed as conservative. And so him coming out is he's generating a lot. of, you know, interest because of that. And if it becomes people understand that as rebellious, that is going to be a positive change. So you just said that he's crazy. Yes.

And that's what the left is saying now. And that's what we were saying 48 hours ago is to be clear. Everybody, everybody on the right knew he was insane 48 hours ago. He was a genius to the left 48 hours ago, by the way. Right. Yeah. So I'm, you know, let me just say this. I don't know if he's crazy.

I don't know the guy. I don't pay attention. I know nothing about him. You know what I mean? And now that he's in kind of our sphere of, you know, topics. I mean, I've never been, you know, Kanye West, I don't know anything about him. Yeah, you know, you read a tweet. Yeah, that's an idiotic tweet.

He's an idiot. Whatever. But now that he is actually tweeting something that is into our realm of influence, I do want to look into the guy. He may be, here's my guess. he is, he's married to Kim Kardashian, right? Yes. Who's the mom?

The Kardashian mom. Chris Jenner. Chris Jenner, okay. So Chris Jenner, I think, is a marketing genius. And she's the one that's been keeping the family afloat. Far as, you know, far as orchestrating and showing everybody, here's how you do it. I think she is, I can't believe I'm saying this. But I think she's the one who has the brains. You don't think so, Stu?

No, I just find it interesting that you have. any opinion on this. I have very little. It's not going very... The inner workings of the Kardashian family and which one is the marketing... I think they're all marketing geniuses. I'll say that. I think they are, but I think I think mom, you know, has...

I think mom set the table here. You know what I mean? And from what I've read, mom is giving advice on things with Kanye and trying to keep him relevant. Now, if that's true, this just might be a marketing thing to keep, you know, the son-in-law relevant for this new whatever he's going to do. So my guess is that's what's happening, that Kanye may have seen that one tweet that went out and said, I like what, I like the way she thinks.

And he tweeted that. And it might have just been a one-off. then the storm started, I'm guessing mom gets involved, and whether they're furthering all of these things just because you're in the news, and any press is good press, I don't know. But what I do like is the fact that somewhere people that the right could have never reached, and never reached, not with the message of being conservative, but the message that is more important freedom of thought, freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom to go where you want, think what you want, listen to what you want, without somebody shouting you down, is of critical

importance. And I can't believe, it just may end up being that Kanye West is responsible for lighting a fuse that could blow up what's happening on the university campuses. Well, FEMA is now practicing for an Atlantic hurricane strike, hoping to avoid a repeat of last year's devastation. But hurricane experts are predicting an above average year with as many as five U.S. landfalls. So that's, of course, according to global warming. I mean, it's finally here. So we know that these threats are out there. We know that Russia and cyberterrorism is out there.

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It's amazing what happens. Kanye are you going to be on this episode? No, but maybe next episodes, too. I can see it. This is the type of thing he's doing now. I, yeah. It's going to be pretty, it's a great show. Yeah, we'll talk more next week about that.

It's a great conversation that you have, you know, that's going to air tonight. But, I mean, it is, it's something that I think oddly is very much needed in the country. I mean, like, there's no point in the conversation in which you decide you really like socialism. Like, there's no point in this conversation where you know what? High taxes are the right thing. It's not what this is about. It's about just finding those things because I think they do exist where we, we actually, we actually, actually do agree with each other. I mean,

Kanye West is a fairly good example, though I can't believe we're bringing in them again, and that like both conservatives and Kanye West want black unemployment to be low. Yes. Right? And it is. It's the lowest has been in history. So

that's a good thing they can both agree on. Yeah. But there is some contentious moments in this tonight when we start talking about gun control because it was it was a tough conversation. It was actually not.

It was a great conversation. It got a little tough when people started saying it's an undisputed fact because there's lots of disputed facts. Yeah, it is a big, you know, you're going to always have some questions. You're always going to have those moments where you're going to disagree. But that's okay. Like, as human, and that's Kanye West's point, right? Like, that's what we should learn out of this. The fact that he disagrees with you about some issue doesn't mean you shouldn't like his music

or should be able to flame him on Twitter or whatever. I sat next to this liberal progressive college professor, and we talked about gun control. And we both ended with saying, this is the best conversation I've had about gun control in a long time. Watch it tonight at 5. Glenn Beck, Mercury. This is the Glenn Beck program.

Yesterday I sat down here in Los Angeles with Dave Rubin and had a fascinating conversation. Here's a clip of it. This is, we were talking about Kanye West and what he thinks this means. I'm not a huge Kanye fan as an artist. I like Sinatra and I have Dean Martin playing in my house all day long. So that's more just musically, that's where I'm at. Herb Alpert, you know, Herb Alpert, big 70s guy with the horn. Yes, I do.

Okay, so that's what's going on in my house all day long. So this isn't about... I've got a great herb, Albert's story I'll tell you before you leave. Oh, I can't wait. So I can't talk to Kanye as in terms of the art specifically, but this guy without question is a true mover. He is someone that can say something and move people's minds. And with him tweeting these seven simple words, I love the way Candace Owens thinks.

Candice is a friend of mine. We just were at Berkeley together last week. She was a lefty. She now has woken up to that. She believes the things that we've been talking about about identity politics and what Democratic policies have done to the black community. She talks about how it's decimated not only people in her own family but in her community. And now look what's happening.

The entire media, Daily Beast, BuzzFeed, Mediite, all talking about Kanye as far right. Then Scott Adams, the best-selling author and Dilbert creator, offers a little defense of Kanye. Now he's far right. I mean, we've seen them do this with a zillion other people that we know Jordan Peterson. Well, they didn't call him far right. They called him alt-right.

Oh, and then, well, it's both. First they're because the reason that they're now using far-right a little more than alt-right is they realize they really lost. They went so bananas with that one that now they've shifted it where you're seeing a little less alt-right.

You're seeing a little more far-right. But what people have woken up to is that anyone, first off, Kanye, I don't know if you know this, but Kanye is black. So let me get this straight. The new hero of the alt-right is a black man. It's a black man who thinks for himself.

Love the Jews. They love the Jews, love black people. But this is, you can always poke holes in these insane ideological inconsistencies. So if you really want to understand where prejudice comes from, where bigotry comes from, prejudice. What does it mean? Prejudging. If you look at a black man, Kanye, and you go, if he doesn't think, as a white liberal, right, because that's who he usually is, this.

this black man doesn't think the way I want him to think. He must be part of the alt-right, or he's a sellout, or you think it's possible he has capacity over his own mind? Do you think he might have care for a community that you don't know about or maybe don't care about or whatever? So I think he's, I think the reason that you like what I'm doing, that I've offered a little bit of an outlet here for people that are coming from the left to go, wait a minute.

Freedom, that's the road. I think Kanye just with a simple tweet, and now he's been on a major Twitter thing last, the last couple days. I think he's given oxygen in a place that needed oxygen. And all of these people are going to start coming out and going, yeah, me too, me too. You have, you're having, you're seeing this. People on the right aren't seeing it. Okay. I see it. And they're just not seeing it. And I'm afraid that some on the right are kind of falling into that kind of progressive mindset where you're either all in or you're a traitor. Yeah. That's horrible. Yeah. But you,

You believe there is a big enough movement of, and I don't mean, I want to make this really clear. I don't need anybody to agree with me. I don't need to go sell you on my ideology or my thoughts. I just want to be able to have an open, decent conversation and not be a pariah and live next door to somebody who feels the same way. By the way, you just worded that slightly different, but that's pretty much what Kanye is saying in these tweets now. Right. That's all he's saying, be a free thinker. But they can't have free thinkers.

This is why they purge everybody. And it's not just someone that might be a black conservative, a Thomas Sola or a Larry Elder or Candace or Kanye, and I'm not even calling him a conservative. But it's everyone. It's why lefty, lifetime lefty, Brett Weinstein at Evergreen State dare say something they don't like. You're not a progressive anymore.

You're actually going to lose your job. And your wife's going to lose her job too. And it's amazing because to work at Evergreen, that makes Salt Lake City. look like Berkeley. You know what I mean? But that's the thing. So let me get this straight.

Let me get this straight. The place, they say that Evergreen is basically the leftmost college in the United States or within the top three or four. You would think if these policies that these guys are promoting all time are so wonderful and so diverse and all of this nonsense, well, then you'd think it would be a bastion of sanity and pleasantness. But no, there's literally students wandering around baseball bats threatening people because Brett decided that he was going to actually defend the ice. that you can't segregate based on race. I mean, but we see this consistently, so they keep purging these people. And all the same voices keep getting purged.

And I think for us, the challenge is we got to sit there, be okay with some differences, which I know that we are, and they'll keep coming. The question is how deep will those guys drag everybody else? And unfortunately, although I do think things are getting better, it will get worse before it truly turns. And the question is, what do they take with them? What you know, like do they really take down this?

Do they take this down in their last fit of glory as they're losing? Because I believe they will, they can't win because it's a movement of destruction. But do they take this whole thing down with it? That's the question and that's why we got to fight, right? What's your guess? It will get worse before it gets better, but I think there are so many signs all over the place. from Kanye to the reaction that I'm getting, to all of the things that we're talking about here,

that average people who are out there who want to live in a truly diverse, tolerant society will come around. And I think they are coming around, and they're just not screaming about it. Maybe they're going to have to start screaming. It's not my style, but maybe we need more screamers on this side.

But then it'll be our job to kind of make sure they don't go off the deep end too. But I'm hopeful, look, if I wasn't an optimist, I don't know how I could do this, right? Like fundamentally, I would say I'm, world-weary optimist. I worry about the world. You know, like, you know, like, I'm an optimistic, I'm an optimistic catastrophist. That's why we can do this. But you know, when you see somebody, like, sitting at a coffee shop and they're kind of just staring out into nothingness,

like when I do that, I'm truly worrying about the world. I am worrying about what the fate of the world is, really. And I worry about that disproportionate to the, where most people are worried about their little day-to-day nonsense. At the same time, I'm an optimist, because otherwise, what would be the point? Why would I be doing this? You know, I could find, I wanted to be in the NBA, you know? I think we are, I think the world hasn't been here since maybe 39. There is no America this time.

There's no rock, solid, this is right, this is wrong country. I don't know which one that would be. No, we're the best we got. Yeah, the best we got. So we're at the same kind of position where the world could go very dark, very fast. However, I was in Poland and I was talking to the chief rabbi of Poland there. And I had asked him, you know, only 6,000 righteous stood up for the Jews, only 6,000. He looked at me like I was crazy.

And he said, only? Do you know how hard that was? Yeah. He started talking and he said, listen, he said, you need to start thinking. more with a longer view. He said, if I would have come to you in 1939 and said, and you were Jewish and said, don't worry, in just a few years, in eight years, the state of Israel will be reset. He said, you would have said, I was crazy.

He said, the world goes through real periods of darkness, but as long as people are willing to stand up and recognize truth, you can. get through it. So what's on the other side of this is exciting. Yeah. Can I throw in one other thing? Yeah. So I spoke at a Turning Point USA event, you know, this young college conservative thing about about a week ago. I go, I talked about all the differences we had. And I got a standing ovation, despite all of the things that I talk about that are not conservative principles. When I was there, there's a guy that goes to these events and he hands out these big constitutions and villa rights, and I'm putting them up in my studio. You'll see them next time we're there. And I have them on the plane

with me and I'm watching on the plane. I was watching The Darkest Hour, the Churchill movie. Did you see it? I love it. And I was feeling, like, I really was feeling like, wow, I'm living the life that I want to live. Like, I just talked about the things that I want to talk about. Here I've got the Declaration and Constitution in the thing above me.

I'm watching this movie. And the thing about Churchill, the only thing that you need to really know about this guy, as everybody else from Chamberlain on down was trying to sell out and figure out ways to mitigate and not, don't really face the truth. don't really face evil. All the guy said was, no. That's it. No, we're not going to do this.

You know, you got the royal family thinking we're going to move to Canada. Yeah. Literally. And Churchill's going, no, we're going to, and that's all that anyone that's watching this. And he almost gave up until somebody else said no with him. Yeah. You know, it's interesting about Churchill. I'm fascinated by Churchill.

Churchill was a really bad guy. He made a lot of mistakes. Yeah. In India, he was a nice. nightmare, you know? And there's so many people that want to, on the left, totally dismantle Churchill because of what he did in India. But if that was all he was, okay. But he was also this. And that's who we are. Throughout history, man is always in conflict. He is always, well, I think this, but I'm blind to what I'm saying over here, which I should apply.

And if we, in the end, when he was pushed and pushed and pushed on India, he did go back and say, I treated Gandhi horribly. I shouldn't have done these things. I mean, we have to take both sides and learn from that. We are just people of our time. My favorite founder, who you mentioned before, Thomas Jefferson, he owns slaves while he was writing the laws. free slaves. That doesn't mean you rip down the monuments. That doesn't mean you destroy the past. The past is what made us now and it's what's going to make the future. So accept we're all flawed

characters. We're all trying. We're all trying. Do you think we ever get to a point to where, you know, like the Me Too movement where there's some now, some I've seen, I've seen Dustin Hoffman, you know, raked over the coals. Have you seen that? For, you know, what he did in 1971. It was a different world in 1971. And that was his point. It was a different world in 1971. Some will accept that. Many don't. But as I see that, we can use this as an example. Yes, it was a different world, just as it was a different world back in 1771. Yeah, but you know what? If we lose this fight, if we lose this fight, the amount of things that the culture will tell us that we believe now to be totally decent things, it doesn't even matter what they are, that I watch

The Simpsons or something. Actually, that's a pretty good example. It is. Because you've got these people now attacking up boo, who's a beloved character in probably the greatest comedy of all time, who taught them about immigration and they had Indian weddings and all of this stuff. But they will, what if you don't hold on to something now, and that thing keeps going and keeps going and keeps going, everything, everything, they will find every video, every radio show that Glenn Beck ever did and tell you what, what an hateful extremist and all of that. So that we're fighting, this is the beauty. We're fighting for society, but really we're fighting for ourselves.

And if you stand there and you go, I'm going to stand for myself, other people will join you because they want to stand for themselves. Courage is contagious. Damn right. And you are a plague in shoes. Good for you. Good for you. Thanks.

Thanks, brother. You bet. It's Dave Rubin. Tomorrow, a bit of our conversation, I asked him about abortion. And it's a phenomenal conversation. He is, remember, he's a guy who just a year ago, said, I was a progressive and then started to see people on the progressive side shut down free speech. And he thought, you know, I got to rethink this.

He is a remarkably brave man. You can find him on the Ruben Report and find his podcast on Apple iTunes or wherever you want to find your podcast, the Rubin Report. All right, I want to tell you about our sponsor this half hour and thank 1,800 Flowers for their sponsors. of this program. These are the roses. If you happen to be watching on the Blaze TV or online, this is what you can get 36 for 36 now for Mother's Day. But you have to order now.

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we want to share with you. And Dave Rubin, you know, talked to, he spoke up when it was difficult, right? Like he realized his side had screwed something up. He didn't like where his side was going. And he spoke up against the people he worked with and everything else. We'll give you two examples where we need more of this right now. Ronnie Jackson, the guy who was being tossed up as the head of the VA by Donald Trump, the personal doctor of Trump, but also the personal doctor of Obama for eight years. this guy's being absolutely slaughtered in the media right now. He's apparently the worst guy ever, huge drinking problem, all of these things. He was praised constantly by Obama when Obama was there. Where is Barack Obama this week?

You might not agree that he should run the VA, and you can make that point. I don't know if he has the necessary experience, but where are you stepping up in a moment where this guy, who was your doctor, your personal doctor, for eight years, defending your life when you were president of the United States, where are you saying one word of positive things about this guy? And how much does it, how much does that hurt? Oh. You know, you're the personal doctor. You had a good relationship.

He knows you. He can stop this madness. And he fails to say anything. Doesn't say a word. Just lets you hang out there until your career gets destroyed. So bad. And one more, which deserves more attention. But we hear all the time, you know, there's obviously crazy pro-choice people out there.

but we hear a lot of really normal pro-choice people. Where are the average everyday person who describes himself as a sane pro-choice person speaking up for Alfie right now? Why is it only pro-life people? This child is born. The child's two years old. Why? Where are the pro-choice people speaking out on behalf of Alfie? Why is it only us?

Where are the, honestly, where are the pro-life preachers? Where are the preachers? Where's the clergy? in this. The Pope is out front. Where's everyone else? Glenn, back. Mercury. Truth. Well, we knew the universities were hostile

towards free thinkers, but now we have to worry about middle schoolers as well. An eighth grader, Jacob Hein, faced ridicule, not from classmates, but from his bully of a teacher. This teacher bullied him for holding conservative beliefs, or worse, for just bringing a conservative news sort,

to class as part of his homework. The assignment was to find an article about current events and then translate it into Spanish. Yes, that's right. This was for a Spanish class. Here's Jacob's father describing what happened to his son. He turned an article on the U.S. Navy capturing a UFO on their radar. She came up to him in class in front of everybody and said, I noticed you cited Fox News on your last article as well.

And I want you to know the Fox News is fake news. It's full of lies. And you're no longer to use Fox News as a source for any of these assignments. Wow. Obviously, he was embarrassed, scared. She went on to say that she has a new assignment for him. He's not to do the normal homework assignment tonight. He's actually to Google any of President Trump's many lies that he's told since he's been president.

And turn in a full-page paper on that. Wow. This is a Spanish class. the teacher's elitism and intimidation would come as no surprise if Jacob were part of a political science class or really any humanities class at this point. But the hysterios would still be silly, though still uncalled for, if Jacob were in a high school civics class or a history class or some sort of social justice mesh of the two. But it isn't. This is Spanish, middle school Spanish. His Spanish lessons should involve colors, days of the week, an awkward introductory phrase, perhaps even,

Donde estes de lao. Why is a Spanish teacher worried about the content of the article at all or where the article came from? The assignment is to, one, find an article about current events, and two, translate it into Spanish. If he would have taken a page from Playboy magazine, do you think, think the teacher would have said, you can't read Playboy magazine? Do you know that it's full of pornography? Do you think the left would have cared? Not only has Trump derangement

syndrome seized our cultural landscape, it is infested the lives of our children. It has assumed our lives. All we can do now is just be honest. Just be honest. Be as kind as possible. and respond to obstinate fury with dignity and grace. It's Thursday, April 26th. This is the Glenn Beck program. Ian Bremmer worked really hard as a kid with the help and encouragement of his single mom. His dad died when he was four.

And he rose up from the projects and earned a college scholarship, then eventually earned a PhD in political science. He was the young. youngest ever national fellow at the Hoover Institution. In 1998, he took an idea and built it into a company, he had $25,000 and he started the Eurasia Group. And it's a leading geopolitical risk research and consulting firm. He's still the president at that firm today. Now that $25,000 investment of his and the idea has offices in New York, Washington, London, Tokyo, Sao Paulo, and San Francisco, as well as a network of experts and resources, in 90 different countries.

Larry Sanders said, geopolitical economy has no sharper or more prescient analysis than Ian Bremmer. Ian, welcome to the program. Good to be back with you, Glenn. Thanks for having me. You bet. So you've just written a new book, and we talked about it last time Iran, us versus them, the failure of globalism. and it's pretty fascinating. Can you give us the premise of it? But I'm glad you kind of introduced my background a bit because, you know, I'm not raised to be a globalist.

No one in the problem, you know, everyone just wanted an opportunity to have a job and maybe do a little better for themselves. But when I got out, I certainly, you know, sort of believed that all of the things that the elites in the United States were saying that we wanted free markets, that we wanted open borders, that we should make the world safe for democracy and send our

troops all over the world, especially when we defeated the Soviets that way, right? And the technology would sort of, you know, help everybody as a consequence, too. And, you know, looking here in 2018, we realized that while that's worked really well for the globalists, there are a lot of Americans and growing every day, growing every day, who really feel like that ideology has you're talking about the Democrats or Republicans, whether you're talking about the political leaders, Why you got Trump, it's why you got Brexit, it's why Macron, his calls for stronger Europe and for U.S. multilateralism are falling on deaf ears. I like that. I like the fact that you point out in your book that it's not only Trump, but that's why you get Bernie Sanders.

My mother, if she were alive today, would have voted for Trump or would have voted for Sanders if he'd been the candidate. There's no way she would have voted for yet another member of the establishment that she believed was lying to her and not caring about her. She said the only way her family was going to make it is if she did something because she wasn't going to trust as Washington folks. She used to read the National Enquirer every week. They might have been right.

They might have had science behind them, but they were pushing, whether it's building infrastructure and education or health care or whatever. So, Ian, when people say, globalist, you know, you're a globalist, I'm not sure people are defining

it in the same way. For instance, I don't have a problem with global business. I don't have a, I want free trade. I want all of these things. But here's what has happened is we have buried our own uniqueness in a way. I think, you know, by the European Union being trade partners, that's good. But by being a single block and saying, hey, Italians, you're no different than the Swiss

and Swiss, you're no different than the English. People do recognize that our countries are a little different, and it's not nationalism. It's just a pride of who you are and where you grew up. Does that make sense? Of course it does. And the Americans historically have done a much better job of integrating people from different cultures all over the world when they come in than the Europeans do.

and that's one of the reasons why Germany, which has an economy doing very well right now, and the working class in Germany feels like they have a social contract that takes care of them, a safety net, elections on the back of saying, we're going to take in a million Syrian refugees. Right. And Borlusconi got destroyed in Italy. His party lost to the Northern League, and that's in the part of Italy that's making all the money. It's not the South because they promised that they were going to deport 600,000 Libyans that had been allowed in his migrants over the past years.

So what is the problem with globalism and how do we not retreat into protectionism and this nonsense that jobs are coming back because jobs are being lost to high tech more than they are to China? How do we thread this needle, if you will? Well, you're absolutely right that this is not a proud of day, and free trade, we know, leads to a lot more growth and opportunities for the global economy and for the United States than protectionism would, and yet the average American is not going to support free trade and shouldn't money and invest in their communities. It should be the other way around.

You should be talking every day about infrastructure and building the wall. You can talk about when you campaign and then you kind of let it go, right? I mean, it's, are you going to fix the schools? Are you going to give people, especially the early K-3-4 education, as that are being developed at the local level? I see in Baltimore that Johns Hopkins is teaming up with a bunch of corporate CEOs to try to bridge town and gown and really make a difference for something untouchable behind a wall.

And then other cities are starting to pick that up. I see some CEOs doing universal training that they're paying for, like Randall Stevenson from AT&T, there's nothing happening at the national they're doing is tearing down Trump every day and talking about impeachment. Interesting timing with your book this week is we talked to Jonah Goldberg, whose book also came out this week. And you guys really hit on a lot of similar themes. One of the points that we talk to him about, and I think you talk about as well, is that sort of the natural state of people is to go into these sort of tribal worlds. And that we're, we're,

we ought to sort of our human instinct is to look at these things and not be able to necessarily see the big picture. When you're talking about how, for example, free trade makes the world a better place, but if you're not getting anything out of it and you feel sort of disassociated by that, it's a real problem. Is there a way to communicate to people? You know, hey, these things are generally speaking a good thing, but we need to handle them better and we need to make sure that our leaders are getting the money to the right places. Yeah, they have to feel like they're being. taken care of. One big piece that no one seems to talk about in globalization is the United States

sending troops all over the world for failed wars. And, you know, this is exactly the same group that voted for Sanders and voted for Trump. There's no way you were going to vote for Hillary or Jeff Bush if, you know, sort of you are an enlisted man or woman or married to one or extended family of one that came back in pieces with a veteran administration that didn't take care of you. we've got 17 years of Afghanistan now. It's the longest war we've ever fought in our entire history, and the foreign policy establishment can give you all sorts of good reasons. I can give you good reasons why we need to keep the Russians down and geostrategic reasons.

But if you're one of the people that's been sent into that war, that's meant nothing to you because you're not being taken care of, because you're not considered a hero when you come back. And, you know, Trump has, give Trump credit. He's the one guy talking about bringing those 2,000 American troops in Syria home. He hasn't done it yet. But at least he's talking about it. And so I think this is so much deeper than just we need to give these people economy right now is doing incredibly well, right?

Better than we've seen at any point since the financial crisis. And yet you still have this anger. So it clearly is deeper. Let me give you a little bit back from your taxes. Let me give you a Christmas time bonus. Well, you know, let me go back. to what you said about the wall. I think the wall is a symptom of people being tired of being lied to by the press, by, you know, the administrations, by Congress. What people really want is, or what they,

let me say this, I think what they fear or feel is not, you know, as the press would say, otherness. What they fear is that people are coming in. here. We don't know who they are. Some of them have caused real problems. Others are just, you know, hardworking families, but you don't know which is which. And most importantly, we're trapping people in a secondary culture. There's a subculture here of America. What made America really truly great was people would come in and they would assimilate. But now the assimilation is over, and in fact, all we're celebrating now is our differences while denigrating the American culture, the traditional American culture. And I think people say, you know,

I don't believe anybody in Congress anymore that you're going to actually have comprehensive immigration reform that is good. You're not going to pay attention to the border. This border wall is permanent. And so I don't have to listen to you clowns anymore. I think that's what's happening. and the more that the press and the ruling class dismisses the voice and the feelings of the people, the more they're going to say, you know, you're in trouble. And I want this, which is, it just becomes more and more extreme as you go down the road. If you want values in a country, you need civic nationalism that works. Yes.

You had mentioned, Glenn, that automation and technology is taking away far more jobs now than globalization has, and you're right about that, manufacturing jobs clearly. But the other piece of technology, of course, is that in the West, technology right now is ripping apart civic nationalism. We're getting our information from advertising companies that treat us not as citizens of a collective, a nation, but need to divide us so that we can be more clear demographics to be advertising. to society today in the United States and in Europe is moving us on a shared advantage of that more than anyone out there. Become politician. He's the one that's able to really say your winners or your losers. Your witness are against us.

And America first, everyone else second. That's the way it should be. But when that's what people identify with, then clearly you're not going to have any support for large numbers of immigrants coming in precisely because the mechanisms to integrate will go away. My grandmother came to Ellis Island from Aleppo, Syria. She was an Armenian and Syrian Christian. And that's, I mean, for me, when I grew up, that's what I thought America was all about.

I wanted to bring in all of these diverse people because it was going to, that cultural diversity would lead to diversity of ideas, entrepreneurship, and what truly made America great. But people don't feel that anymore. And the trends in our society are moving in the other direction. Okay, so Ian Bremmer is with us. He is the author of the book, Us versus Them, The Failure of Globalism. It's available this week everywhere the books are found.

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We're talking to Ian Bremmer. He has written a great book about the failure of globalism, us versus them. When we come back, I want to get into some solutions, but I also he talks a lot about

AI in the book and the coming technological revolution. and when you want to talk about us versus them, there is a time coming when politicians will do what all politicians do, and when they have to stop blaming China for the loss of jobs, they're going to have to turn to somebody else, and that's going to be high tech.

That's going to be the makers of AI. How do we weather that, and when will the average person begin to really feel the impact of AI, and what does it mean for stability in the country and stability in the rest of the world when we come back? Glenn Beck. Mercury. This is the Glenn Beck program.

Ian Bremmer, author of the book, Us versus Them, The Failure of Globalism is with us. And Ian, let me take you to what you write about with AI and the rise of AI. You see, as I do, great disruption.

I see the human story as being, you know, corrupt politicians and the use of fear to drive us into really dark places or the opportunity to really expand and be great. Can you tell me when AI you think is going to really begin to impact? people in a way that they see? Well, we know, I mean, it's already affecting us greatly in terms of big data and being a facial recognition to more effectively sort people that facilitates more consumption. But in China, for example, it means that you don't see demonstrations in Shenzhang anymore, northwest China, because they have the ability from satellite to identify, you know,

sort of every citizen and where they are and when there's a problem and so no more violence, right? That's kind of 1984-ish, right? And look, I think that AI going forward over the next... The United States and the 48, the lower United States, literally everyone, they can be in pharma, they can be in broad manufacturing, they can be in high-tech, you know, telling me about how they can make more money, suddenly they have to actually dig deep into their costs and suddenly lay off a bunch of people. AI may well develop a lot of new jobs in new fields, but we know that the kids at least were rich. So, I mean, if you're working class and you suddenly

don't have a job or you have to be part-time, you're not going to starve. You're not going to set yourself on fire like they did in Tunisia. But in emerging markets, now that the computers are coming, what's going to happen to them? What happens to all of those countries in their middle classes? That's when this becomes not an issue we need to talk about, but suddenly a crisis. Well, I'm, go ahead. I'm concerned, however, we have a very low threshold for pain. You know, we're not going to starve to death, but we also expect an awful lot.

I don't think people are really thinking through what AI is going to mean. And nobody's really teaching them. And so it's going to come as a surprise. You know, people, right now politicians are saying, I'm going to bring your jobs back. No, they're not. That's a lie. That's a lie. The jobs are not coming back. And we don't have a willingness. And I want to say this carefully because it's a conservative audience. And you need to understand that we have to explore seriously all options because the world is changing. But a lot of people are not willing to look at universal basic income, which I'm not for. I don't think will work. But something is. is going to have to be done because we're going to look at 30% unemployment. That's according to Bain Capital by 2030. That's not a workable society.

I don't like universal basic income either. I think it's an easy, you know, sort of ideological fix that sort of obviates the requirements of governments to actually ensure that people matter. Well, Finland just, Finland has been experimented. for two years and Finland just dropped their experiments that it failed. That's right. And Switzerland was going to have a big vote for it last year, voted against it. But, you know, I think there are other ways to get at this issue, but we need to recognize that the country that's doing the most to address this right now

is actually China, where they have more industrial robots in any other country in the world. They're leading the world in producing them. And at the same time, they're leading the world as a government in ensuring. the continued employment of inefficient labor. So how do you do, Ian, how do you do that without fundamentally changing your constitution into something along the lines of the former Soviet Union or China where everybody's guaranteed a job? That's fundamentally against the American nature.

On the back of the Great Depression had all sorts of incredible public work. projects through the government for average Americans. That wasn't anti-American. That's what you do and otherwise, you know, on the back of the gilded age, when structural inequality in the U.S. grew way out of whack and the average person didn't have anything. That's when we put Social Security in place. That's when we suddenly get people pensions. You know, I mean, so much was done.

But none of those are workable, none of those are workable solutions because the math doesn't work. You know, I mean, that's why we're, one of the reasons why we're, you know, so we're the biggest debtor in the world is because we wanted the great society. We are the biggest debtor in the world, but we also have the greatest assets. And I don't understand people that only focus on deficit spending. We don't look at the other side of the balance sheet. When you talk with a corporation, you'd never talk about debt by itself if you were going to invest in their stock or not, there's a reason why the dollar remains the global reserve currency. We're about to pass Saudi Arabia as the world. We do that if we wanted to. It's not a priority. And it's not

a priority because I think that the average person can take more pain in the United States. It's just not that urgent. We're not demonstrated. So, but here's a problem with that, Ian, is the government has proven itself to be wildly inefficient in a lot of those, in those categories. And if you go to Washington, and I know you know this. I talk to people in Washington about high tech in the future. They are so out of touch with, I mean, it is like talking to, you know, somebody in the bell system, you know, about the internet. They don't, they just don't even understand it yet. Yeah, I mean, there's no question that if we're going to have efficiency, solutions that are going to work, they're going to start at least in the private sector,

and they're going to start in state governments and in city governments. They're not going to start with Washington. But you were asking me what the solutions were, and you said, we can't pay for solutions. I don't think that's true. I think we absolutely can, and I think you can do public-private partnerships, too. I think there's lots of ways that the U.S. government doesn't have to take over programs, but could help fund them, could help provide, you know, so in the same way that we do X prizes to try to create private sector competition, and that DARPA, which is part of the U.S. government, got driverless cars moving by funding competitions that the private sector and universities that got into.

Why can't our government fund competitions to fix this with big money? We could do that. We're not doing it. Yeah. So I agree. I agree with that. I just think this is going to require vastly different thinking at the political. political level than anybody that I've seen that wants to run, because they're all still

feeding a machine that is, you know, that is really, I mean, is big state looks like, you know, the 1950s. And it's going to move faster than that. It's going to be different than that. And we just need some innovative thinking. When you say, we can't, we can afford it, I agree with you that our assets are great. What concerns me is we're spending money on crazy stupid stuff wildly and efficiently and the people in Washington it's not like they're running a business. It's they're running a campaign all the time. And so there's nobody at the helm, it seems. The swamp is not being drained and electing Donald Trump did nothing to drain the swamp, electing Barack Obama did nothing.

to drain the swamp and those structural challenges for the u s government are the reasons why in the near term what we're gonna see is a lot more walls because if you can't address this if you refuse to address this by actually helping the people then the political response the successful political responses i'm gonna create us versus them i'm gonna show you yes give you the national is it worked in israel against the palestinians no one talks about a two

state solution anymore. It's great as long as you're on the right side of the wall. And I fear that that's the quote unquote solution that we are increasingly embracing in the U.S. because no one is swamp training. Ian Bremmer, author of Us versus Them, the Failure of Globalism. Thank you so much, Ian. I appreciate it. Great to be with you. We obviously disagree on a lot of things, but there is a lot to agree on there, very astute at what is coming and the

us versus them disease that politician will turn to if we're not self-educated enough to know what the real problems are. Ian Bremer and us versus them, the future of globalism.

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something that you don't, that you don't understand. Yes, thank you, Warren Buffett. I didn't understand it. Well, that kept me out of the market for a long time. Now, I've made a lot of money. Bitcoin is backup on a real big upswing. What's the percentage increased, Stu, in the last month or so? About 50%. Yeah, I mean, that's amazing. It's very volatile and risky. You don't want to go all in on it, but you do want to do your homework. So we found a guy named Tika Toire. He's from the Palm Beach letter, former Wall Street hedge fund manager, who has arguably helped more people profit from cryptocurrencies than anybody else. We brought him into the office, and can you explain how this works. Can you explain how to invest in it? He did. So we asked him, can you make a course

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There's a... It was... It had taken away many of the shaky's things that were... You know, so you were left with pizza. Just... Really good pizza, though, at least. Well, it was pizza that, you know, it was pizza that, you know, shaky, you know, is spelled with an S.H.

right in the front for a reason, I think. And that's because it's Shaky's pizza. Was not everything you were remembered about it? Well, no, it is exactly the way I remember the pizza. You know, I was looking for the experience, you know, of the old, but it wasn't the same, it wasn't the same old place. It wasn't, you know, you can't go back in time. but I found out that they do weddings

you know and and I'm just saying I haven't been to the other shakies which seems to be like the old one where you would see them you know flip the dough and you know throw it up in the air and stuff I don't know for sure but there is another shakies and I'm just thinking that you know maybe sometime when we're out here that if somebody wants to get married

and I can perform the ceremony They're at Shakeys. Are you advertising your availability? I'm just saying, and I would maybe buy everybody a picture of beer, you know, individually. So you would each get a picture of beer. A whole picture for each person? Well, I think, yes. Remember, Shakey's opened up on their grand opening without any pizza, just the beer.

and so maybe that would be a good idea you know of just it's one that's one description of it good idea is one available description right I'm just saying that I was intrigued that they they do wedding receptions there

is that a popular thing I don't know I'm not from California so I don't know lots of things are popular in California that I do not understand Yeah Lots of people on the streets here That you I just would like to stop

And just say can we sit down and talk for a minute Because I need to understand Well let's just start with the outfit I just need to Yeah You got up this morning What else? What other options were in your closet?

Interesting because talking to them Is actually the exact opposite Of my instinct When I go to California Yeah. I just never want to speak to anyone ever again. No, I'm a little, I'm very curious about people here. I really, I just, because they, they, everybody's trying to make a statement. And I really kind of want to know, what other options did you have?

Were there, is your whole closet like this? Or was this just one you pulled out and went, I don't know, I think this one works? options. Life's all about options and diversity. And the diversity here is worth talking to. Glenn, back. Mercury. Truth. Yesterday, a cold rain. Muted Dallas. Gray clouds hung overhead and rain mostly puttered down. Most people stayed indoors. The day before it was sunny and warm, and so the sudden cold that moved in overnight felt somehow or another twice as cold. But that isn't why the city moved a little slower yesterday. A Dallas police officer, Roheilo Santander, and fellow officer, Crystal Almeda, we're in a hospital.

Officer Santander died at 11 o'clock, sorry, at 8 o'clock. and Almeda lay in a hospital bed, wounded in critical condition. It was on Tuesday about 4 p.m. that they arrived at a Home Depot in Lake Highlands. It was a neighborhood northeast of Dallas. An off-duty police officer was working there as a security guard, and he caught a man shoplifting. Something, though, felt off, and the man pulled a gun from his pocket and started shooting. Right at Officer Almeida and Officer. Santander, hitting the off-duty officer, a bystandard.

Shots fired, the call went out. The shooter fled, roaring away in his shabby white Ford, 250. The ladder rack was rattling as he sped from the scene. Shots fired, officer down. In Dallas, the scars are still pretty fresh. Slightly less than two years ago, Dallas was a scene of a senseless violence directed at police when a hate-driven shooter killed five Dallas police officers who had been protecting protesters, Black Lives Matter. Many of these protesters were protesting the police themselves.

For those of us in Dallas, we remember the scene. And for those of us in Dallas, it's playing out all over again. At a press conference following this week's shooting, Mayor Mike Rawlings spoke with the gravity of somebody who's been through all of this before. Once again, it sobers us to realize what officers walk into day in and day out and how quickly they can become victims. I am continued to be upset at the lack of respect of our police in this city, in our country. And now is the moment that we can lift them up. These press conferences have become unfortunately familiar to all of us. It was just a couple of days ago that Sergeant Noel Ramirez and Deputy Taylor Lindsay

were shot dead while eating lunch. Yesterday, a deputy corporal Dale Lancaster of Maine died in a gunfight. In Yarmouth, Massachusetts, a police sergeant, Sean Gannon was shot dead in a an attic. That's it just in the last few days. Since the beginning of the year, at least two dozen police officers have died by gunfire, died violently. I think it's important that we at least hear their names. I think it's important that we see their pictures in the news and hear their stories. Maybe, just maybe, if we just hear their name, it will help people see the value of the life that is wearing blue.

It's Thursday, April 26th. This is the Glenn Beck program. Welcome to Jonathan Dunn, one of our writers and good friends from Ireland, who has been watching the Alfie Evans story for us in the last couple of weeks. Jonathan, how are you, sir? Thank you so much for having me, Glenn. It's great to be here. I just wish it was under better circumstances.

So what's happened with Alfie Evans since, the last 24 hours? So the last 24 hours has been pretty good for young Alfie. He's not having major complications. He's still breeding. He's still in the hospital. The biggest update is that Thomas has met with the doctors in Alder Hay this morning. They're trying to get him, they're pleading with them to let him to go home.

And the last update we had was that he was pretty confident. and some agreement could be reached and that he'd be home in the next one to two days. But that hasn't been confirmed, Jess. Jonathan, we are looking to send this boy home when instead he is now an Italian citizen. The Italians have said this is the murder of an Italian citizen. The Pope wants him. The hospitals are ready. The Pope has a helicopter ready to go to take him.

why won't the government let him go to to Italy? There's many reasons for this. This is all boiling down to, there are many reasons we need to discuss this story. It's about the sanctity of life. It's about his life actually truly precious, and is life worth doing everything you can to stand for this issue? We have a system in Europe right now where we have two problems.

One, we don't believe life is sacred. You know, been on the ground there in Liverpool on Monday. It was an amazing, amazing thing. There's a clear class system in England. Hello. Do we lose, Jonathan? I knew this connection was just too good to be true from Ireland. Read his report at glenbeck.com because he described the scene.

He went to the hospital and he was just, standing there in the crowd and Jonathan usually wears black and he wears a big cross around his neck and he said that people came up to him and said, are you a priest? And he said no. And their next comment was astounding. Well, where are the priests?

Jonathan didn't have an answer. Where are the religious people? Where? How come the priests aren't leading? their congregations to stand for this life. The Pope is. Where are the priests? It's a pretty amazing article, and you can find it at glenbeck.com. Do we have him back on?

Is he back on? No. Okay. All right. Well, just thank him for that report, and if he has more to report, we'll make sure we have him on tomorrow. One interesting thing, Glenn, quickly on this,

is we were talking about how, where are the pro-choice people kind of standing up for this? Because if you're a pro-choicer, you of course don't think that you know life in the womb is life but this is not life in the womb this is life two years out of the womb

and deserves your support and I think it would mean a lot right coming from pro-choice people if you actually find that line well especially if you say if you say you know I believe in a mother's right to choose or a woman's right to choose mom is choosing life

for her child and her child is already born are we really in a culture of death? Why is it no one is standing up for this kid? Or very few. Interesting. Now, Pierce Morgan is not exactly a huge figure here in the United States at this point, but it's still a pretty big figure in the UK.

And he actually has tweeted his support for Alfie, let them take him home, which, you know, that's not real support. I don't think that's real support. I don't know. I think it's something. It's something. You get him home.

No, it is. It is. You know, let me take him home. but excuse me, let me take him to a hospital that will treat him. Yeah, I got to do this way. That's the, me taking them home is, I wouldn't bring him home. I mean, if I were, I would bring him immediately to my new home on this airplane. I don't think you can do it.

I don't think you could get out of the country. It would be interesting to see. I mean, if you're, if you could get to the Italian embassy. No, that's true. I mean, she's an Italian citizen. Yeah, that's true. They're going to stop an Italian citizen from leaving the country? I don't know.

It's amazing. They are, though. Oh, man. That's a good idea. There's the home I would take him to. The Italian embassy. That's a really good idea. Stu, can you help me out on a couple of things here?

Yes. We had Macron yesterday speaking to Congress, and he said, you know, both in America and Europe were living in a time of fear. And you can play with fear and anger for a time. but they don't construct anything. Anger only fears and weakens us. And closing the door to the world will not stop the evolution of the world. It won't douse but inflame

the fear of our citizens. Basically what he was saying was, you guys got to come back to the table of the Paris Accords. Because, you know, we're not peddling fear here. It's just that if you don't, the whole world will be destroyed.

I always love that because they used to remember you in the doom closet or whatever Colbert used to say the Doom Room, where you'd come up with these crazy scenarios where the world was going to end, and then they would criticize you for not being alarmist enough about global warming, which was always side by side, such a fun.

I know. Such a fun thing. I mean, it's, he said, didn't he say make the planet great again? I mean, like, you know, he's really sort of trolling. The planet is pretty great. I don't know if you know that.

And man didn't make it great. It's just, it's, it's pretty great. But now we're talking about, people, I want you to cover two stories for me. One, that climate change needs to be handled like war now. Yeah. Really dangerous. Yeah, that's what they're saying. And this is, they're trying to make the actual conservative case. This is a case to conservatives. We spend $590 billion on defense in 2017. That's up to over 700 billion this year. But climate change poses a more significant threat to global security than the low probability event of

ground war with China. We've maintained readiness against an unlikely prospect of a large conventional war. It's time for conservatives to recognize our constitutional mandate to provide for the common defense by addressing the rising threat of climate change. There are three primary explanations

for this. I love these. First, is the science settled? It doesn't matter. That's number one. Wait, wait, it doesn't matter now. No, it doesn't matter. Okay, so, Science doesn't matter.

No. Okay. It doesn't matter because we have an obligation to be prepared to defend the country, even if the threat is uncertain. Now, of course. No, no. No, we don't. I mean, we do against, you know, a threat like, you know, you could say Iran, right? Like, you would still, even though we might not go to war with Iran, we hope to not go to a war with Iran.

It's not certain we're going to a war with Iran. We still would defend against a war with Iran. And I understand the concept. But that's not what we're talking about. There are some that are saying, that this would be like defending ourselves and building a missile shield for the evil Ugandans, which have this giant missile factory that they've been. There's no science is not there to support that.

Right. And I think like, you know, conservatives are always put out to be anti-science, right? We don't care. We're not listening to the scientists. Though the hope in science, I think, is clear almost only, almost exclusively with conservatives. we are the ones that are saying that we believe there will be all these innovations and adaptations. I mean, look at what you're talking about with AI, Glenn. If global warming is this gigantic problem that they claim that it's going to be,

you know, the resources that you could put at it just when AI develops would probably be able to solve that almost immediately. And many scientists have talked about this. I mean, it is, it does exist in the academic literature. It's just not, it's not going to get you. There's no fear votes out of that. You know, scientific solutions don't help there. All right. So, number one, science doesn't matter.

We've got to come back to science. Number two? Can we afford to act? Yes. In the coming decade. No, we can't. In the coming decades. And look at these numbers.

When they're being honest here with some of these numbers, and it's interesting. In the coming decades, we will collectively spend approximately $2 trillion to maintain our electrical grid. Upgrading the existing grid to a near zero carbon solution. would cost approximately $2 to $3 trillion. We could upgrade the grid without costing ourselves a penny more than the status quo if we start working now. That was a bunch of things to unpack from that.

Number one, just taking what he says is the actual truth here, that we're going to spend $2 trillion to maintain our grid and we can upgrade it for $2 to $3 trillion. You're adding an entire trillion dollars on top of your own estimate. Yeah, and wait a minute, hang on. that's the grid.

That's not what's making the power. Right. The grid is the wires and the switching. It's the coal plant that's actually making the power that goes into the grid. Right. That's a big part of that. And also, is there no maintenance costs to this new system? Because you're talking about $2 trillion to maintain the old system.

You can build the new one for $2 to $3 trillion, which, by the way, is a $50. percent increase. It won't cost ourselves a penny more. No, it won't be a penny more. It's 50 percent more. It's an extra trillion. So it's an extra trillion. And then you have to add onto that what the maintenance cost would be for that system. So it would obviously be even more

than $3 trillion. And then finally, third, should emissions from other nations influence whether the United States works to address climate change? No. It should not, apparently. Which is kind of an interesting thing because as we point out, you know, China and all of these other countries around the world, India and China being the two main ones, are adding so much when it comes to emissions and new plants. Even though they're also adding a lot of capacity when it comes to zero carbon stuff, it doesn't matter.

What they're doing with, you know, with fossil fuels still outpaces anything that we can cut. I mean, you can absolutely shut off every car in America, not make them hybrids, but just turn them off. We walk everywhere for the rest of our lives. and it's not going to do anything compared to what China is doing as far as their growth. So, you know, it doesn't matter. I guess we could lead in a unilateral sort of way and hope everyone follows us in the end after we've spent $3 trillion and one of the many projects we'd need to do to actually make this happen. But, I mean, you know, most likely they won't do that because they're still worried about feeding.

You know, their populations. You know, survival comes before global warming. It always does. When we have all of these experts declare that they are from here on out, vegan or vegetarian, I'll start to take them seriously, because that's the biggest thing anybody can do. Stop eating meat. When you do that, you just don't hear the planet.

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Yeah. It comes from American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate, which is a completely legitimate source. Judith Curry is one of the authors. Very smart. She is someone who has written over 140 scientific papers. She wrote thermodynamics of atmospheres and oceans and encyclopedia of atmospheric sciences. I know those are two of your favorites.

Oh, I love those. The first one more than the second. Really? Yeah. Yeah. She was first, well, in the public, well known, because in 2005, she wrote a story of a paper about hurricanes. And she, that basically said, hurricanes will be more intense because of global warming.

So she was a global warming believer. Completely. And was thrust down into the media as this, you know, again, it was a scare story. This is 2005. And then after 2000, and she was attacked by people who didn't believe in global warming on the right. So that's who she is. She's dealt with that before. 2009 happens.

Climate gate happens. And she kind of goes out and writes a paper. just an online blog type of thing that says, hey, you know, maybe it's a good idea that people will pay attention to some of the fundamentals of climate change more if we don't try to scare them with every little crazy thing that comes out. You know, just like,

hey, let's, let's be honest when we have uncertainty about things. And since then, she's been evil climate denier number one. Just for saying maybe we should be reasoned. Yes. However,

her news, again, a peer-reviewed study. says the predicted global temperature increases will now be less than expected, 30 to 45% less than what the IPC said. The warning is going to be substantially lower than the central computer model simulated level predicted by the IPCC, which is the UN Climate Group. 30 to 45% less. That's your consensus in action. Glenn Beck, Mercury. You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

So a couple of weeks ago, we did something called Make America Dinner Again. And we were just going to, you know, play highlights of it. And we've decided this is, this is, this all needs to be seen. So we begin with the first episode tonight of this fascinating meal. And what we did was we had our researchers go out and find the people. who would never sit together if it was a regular media thing. And if it was a regular media thing, we wanted to find the people who wouldn't perform, but actually just have a conversation.

Because what happens is you get diverse people and they're on CNN. We've got a panel of experts. And they're all trying to make a point. We said no team jerseys. We're not going to argue. nobody is there to convince someone of the truth. We just want to listen to each other. We want to understand each other.

And we do want to talk about the issues, but not in a I win sort of way. Everybody came into this skeptical because this is the team we assembled around this dinner table. These are the people I invited. So I was there. Riaz Patal was there. Riaz is a gay married with two adopted children, Pakistani Muslim immigrant. I mean, so he was, you know, he has no tribe. Then we also invited a Christian conservative to sit next to him, a really smart Christian conservative.

Also on the other side was a Venezuelan immigrant. Somebody who escaped Venezuela, whole family is in Venezuela, sees socialism for what it is, and was the strongest advocate for the free market system. Also at the table, a progressive socialist professor, college professor, we had a libertarian bass player who was amazing. He said, I didn't realize you were going to have all these smart people now that I've talked to everybody. This is before the dinner started. I'm a little intimidated. That guy was off the charts smart. He's just a well-read individual that believes in libertarian principles. We had a

black media advocate. Anybody else that I missed? I mean, it was the island of misfit toys. And we talked about everything. We talked about gun control, but we started really with censorship and free speech. Listen. We're living in a social media world where everyone just expects you to say something. And to a certain extent, you do want to say something, right? Because it goes back to the old Edmund Burke quote. The only thing necessary for evil to triumph over good is for good men to stay silent. But then also understanding that not every issue or not every hill is worth dying on.

And not everything is good versus evil. And I think that's, but everything is feeling like it's good versus evil. that if I vote for someone, if I believe in something, then evil will win. The Nazis will win. You're at this table because I don't know how you're functioning in the world that you live in. You're trans and deeply religious and Christian. Who's your tribe? I am my tribe. That's good for you.

That's got to be hard. The reality is, I mean, I do have a tribe, right? But I am my tribe. And if I hold true to leaning on myself, then I'm able to have strength when I'm in uncomfortable situations. And that's why I say I'm my tribe. But back to the social media piece, I think what happens with social media is that people have gotten so comfortable with not speaking verbally to one another that we get more comfortable going off on social media about things we're not comfortable talking about face to face. And so when we don't want to talk about these places because we don't want to lose our jobs or we don't want to be at a dinner table and have an uncomfortable conversation, we lash out on social media. It is, it's a fascinating conversation. And it gets a little heated, not too much, but a little heated when we start talking about gun control.

Because the college professor says, look, it's an unmitigated fact that, XYZ. And it wasn't a fact. He was actually wrong on that. And we corrected him and he said, well, I want to see the evidence of that. And we had a great conversation. And it shows that we're not all that different. Even though we have wildly different points of view on policies, the things we were concerned about were pretty much the same things. Wouldn't you agree, Stu?

I think so. Yeah, and that's, I guess, what brings you to these moments of realization of understanding that, you know, everybody has kind of the same concerns, right? I mean, we talk, we get so bogged down in that battle of that CNN panel battle, right? Like that distracts us from actual people who say actual things. And that's kind of, I think that's the, I think that's the secret of this. You know, I don't know how many times you could do it. after people have seen it on TV or they've witnessed it, because people would change. They would watch it and they would be like, oh, I would have said this. And they'd be trying to win. No one at the table was trying to win. And that's where we need to get with our families and everything else.

That's what we'll bring us back together, is learning how to listen to each other, learning how to talk to each other, learning to how to have your own opinion without, forcing everybody else to that opinion. And the genesis of it is pretty cool too and that came from two liberals, the idea

for this, two liberals in California who went through the election, saw Trump got elected and thought to themselves, you know, they were surrounded by people who, you know, it's California, they're liberals, everyone couldn't stand Trump and they couldn't understand like what they realized they had no connection

to a good chunk of America and that was their bad. They needed to to step out of their little box. And so they decided to do this and kind of have a dinner with, you know, all different people from all different viewpoints and just kind of just talk about stuff so you can understand it. You know, we've seen some of this that has been interesting lately on the right. People who, you know, write stories about, hey, I know you people on the left think, like

gun owners are really terrible people who are crazy and, you know, are doing all these wild things. and like, let me tell you a little bit about the gun culture, because it's something you're going to really relate to. It's about people defending themselves and defending their families and caring about their families. It's, you know, and a lot of the country sees, for example, gun owners, the way of, well, the only reason you'd want a gun is because you're out of control and you want to kill people.

And it's like, we are, a rational person who sits down and thinks about it for five seconds is going to realize, well, it's 350 million guns. We'd be hearing about not one school, shooting every two months, but, you know, a thousand a day or a 10,000 a day if what they believed about guns was true. And I think when you get down there and you start talking to people, they actually know that. I think a lot of times, you know, in social media, I'm glad you led with that clip because social media just makes it so much worse, is that you get to that point where all you're doing is looking for that cool social media win that people will retweet instead

of actually listening to someone. And it's not the way we live our, actual lives. I mean, everyone in your family, you have diverse opinions and people. You got nut jobs. Every family has them. I would describe them as nut jobs where they believe completely crazy liberal things. However, when I talk to them, you don't talk to them like they're nut jobs. You don't yell at them. You don't scream at them. You talk to them like they're real people and you actually care about convincing them about one little piece of it or at least understanding where they're coming from on that piece. Yeah. And that's- My family just, my family, My family, because everybody, every family has a nut job.

And in my family, we just all refer to them as Uncle Glenn, which is, wait a minute, hold it just a second. I just figured that out. So anyway, watch it tonight at 5 o'clock. It's the first episode of Make America Dinner Again. I will tell you that I was, I sat right next to, you know how I feel about Woodrow Wilson and professors and progressives. I sat next to a very big liberal progressive scholar, and I thought, oh my gosh, how am I going to sit? They put him next to me for a reason, and I'm like, okay, all right, breathe deeply. And I know he was doing the same thing because he knows who I was.

At the end, even though we strongly disagreed with each other and we called each other on the carpet a couple of times, he left the table saying, that's the best intellectual discussion I have had and I don't know how long. Yeah. And it's the way we should be. There's a little bit of it that's like a triathlon and which is just a feat of your endurance and your mental strength to not jump into attack mode. Because, you know, when someone says something that's really offensive or something you really don't believe, you know, your instinct is she'd be like, what the hell are you talking about?

and you just want to kind of scream at them. But isn't it interesting? It's not the way to go. If you have that moment where you can kind of sit back and you can find the other nine things that you're kind of an agreement on, you know, it makes for a heck of a better life, I'll tell you that. Isn't it interesting the trans man who I really liked, really just a sweet guy. And isn't it interesting how when you say, well, there's a transsexual. it's different when you're sitting at the table and it's a normal person, it's a normal guy.

It's the way I think people feel about Caitlin Jenner. You know, I don't know what I would do in his situation or her situation when he was him and he lived his whole life like that. I have so much empathy for him. What, am I going to throw a rock at him? No. No, probably not. He lived his life this whole way, just being tortured. Now, science will show, I dare bring up scientific fact here, but studies have shown it doesn't necessarily help.

In fact, suicide is even greater among those who have a sex change. But I don't know what I would do. Why am I going to throw a rock at him? and you listen to him. He's not talking about transgenderism at all. He's not talking about any of it. He just wants to be treated like a human being. That's what I thought was interesting about the conversation and that it wasn't identity politics.

We kind of, in a way, like picked people from all these different backgrounds. And obviously, that is somewhat based on your identity, right? Like, you know, there's a reason why there's a black trans Christian there because it was an interesting person and wanted to hear their perspective. But you noticed that they didn't talk about those things. It wasn't just about, hey, I'm a person who's lived this life and here's how it's affected me. It was also just opinions about other things. And opinions about all the other things, there was a lot of agreement on.

And you wind up seeing people as actual individuals rather than, hey, you're in this group. And I think that's really productive. I know as conservatives, we're not collectivists, right? We don't put people in groups and identify them by groups. We identified people by their individual characteristics and, you know, I don't know, the content of their character. I can't believe you just said that. That's such a racist thing to say. That was racist.

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at lifelock.com or 1-800 life-lock. That's 1-800-life-lock. promo code back, lifelock.com. Glenn, back, Mercury. Glenn, back. Getting towards the end of the show here, want to make sure we get in before the end, Glenn's NFL draft picks.

Your mock is out. The latest mock draft is out from Glenn. Do you want to run through it here real quick? No, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. head. I don't want to. Yeah, I don't. I'm a little embarrassed.

Well, to start. I'll lead you to Brown's number one, who they take and where do you think they go there? The guy that I, you know, I told you about from that team, I can't remember, which, yeah, you've got it written down there. If you sent the draft, I didn't get it yet. So you'll have to, you'll have to just. You know what? Let's get it tomorrow. Let's just get into this tomorrow. That's not going to work because the draft starts tonight. Round one is tonight. I know. So maybe later the. afternoon. I'll have you narrow it down. Which one of the four quarterbacks you think Cleveland's going with? Most people believe. The best one?

Yeah, which one? Which one do you think they're? Well, what most people believe? Oh yeah. Most people believe they will of course select one of the four top quarterbacks available. And, you know, obviously you have the choices. I think the Patriots will pass. Yeah, that's not.

Okay. All right. Guys, do you have something, you have another? Okay, let me give you the four. Sam Darnold, right? Baker Mayfield. Josh Rosen and Josh Allen. Which one are you think? Josh Allen. They're going to go Allen number one.

That would be a huge upset. I don't think people aren't. What? Are you just, I can hear someone speaking in here. No, I think, I know. I think that the Browns are going to go with Warren Moon. Warren. Which would be a strange pick, seeing that I,

I'm pretty sure Warren is probably a little older now. But I believe that, you know, Yeah, he's going to... Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, maybe we should wait until tomorrow for this one. Because...

Sunny Jurgensen to the Giants. I'm just... I'm just freewheeling here now. You know... Someone must be speaking in your ear because you would not even know... No, that would be... No, that would be... No, that would be wrong.

Now let's talk theater. Go ahead. Rattle off some of the shows you've recently seen. Well, now the time is up. But if... Honestly, if you have a... seen Hamilton, you have to. At least get this.

We'll see you tonight at 5 o'clock. Glenn, back. Mercury.