The Glenn Beck Program - VINDICATED: Pam Bondi Is OUT After Months of Criticism | Guests: Kathie Lee Gifford & Jeremiah Johnston | 4/3/26

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

Glenn starts the show by reminiscing about a time when Americans felt low, scared, and doubtful about the future. Sound familiar? Glenn parallels the feelings of Americans a few decades ago with those Americans are feeling now. After 14 months of few prosecutions, Pam Bondi is officially out as President Trump's attorney general. Glenn goes through why he's been calling for Bondi's removal for months and why he's grateful Trump made the right call. Glenn reacts to the negative reaction he got to his Artemis II X post giving credit to God, which prompted an attempted community note to take credit away from God and credit science alone for the success. Moms for Liberty co-founder Tina Descovich joins to discuss how technology must be used to serve families, not replace them. Christian Thinkers Society president and apologetics pastor Jeremiah Johnston joins to discuss the most compelling findings that corroborate Jesus' identity and existence. Actress and television host Kathie Lee Gifford joins to discuss why self-indulgence will never bring true satisfaction.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hello, America. It's good Friday. We're glad you're here. Lots to talk about today. You've got corruption in California, massive corruption scandal of Act Blue, which I think we've been covering this for a couple of years. That thing is going to burst wide open. The chief of the staff of the army has been replaced. ICE has arrested the Islamic Society of Milwaukee president. Apparently, he lied on his green card application to become a legal resident here, and he has been arrested for possible ties to Hamas and for alleged terror charges back in the Middle East. And Pam Bondi, who wasted 14 precious months.

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We have been working long, hard hours to make sure that we are ready for you. and I want to start with some perspective. I want to go back in history and set the table for what we're going to talk about today. Let me take you back to the 1960s. The 1960s were really turbulent. Cities were set on fire. Campuses were occupied. Young Americans were no longer believing in America.

They flooded our streets, you know, and not just in protest of war, but in rejection of the system and capitalism and the presidency, I mean, everything. And America was. called Irredeemable at the time. In the 1960s, the Marxist language, you know, which had been really confined to dusty academic corners and basements, suddenly became the vocabulary of the crowd. And it was not quiet. Riots were happening in Chicago,

building seized at Columbia. Police pushed out of neighborhoods where order itself became negotiable. And at the same time, America was locked in a distant war, Vietnam, bleeding slowly, no clear ending. And the public began to lose faith. And then the media stepped in and amplified the chaos. The country in the 1960s began to doubt itself, not just the war, itself. Does any of this sound familiar?

Because I believe today the banners have changed, but the slogans haven't. We see the radicals in the streets, some openly calling from the dismantling of capitalism, the overturning of the United States of America. Some are cloaked in softer language, but our schools have become training camps and universities are no longer places of learning. They just become staging grounds for ideological revolution. We have city against dominance.

That's all it really is, over and over and over again. And again, America is entangled in distant conflicts. Decades of war in the Middle East. Now we're in direct confrontation with Iran, and there is a sense that we, again, are spending blood and treasure overseas, and why are we spending it there when we should be spending it here? Nothing is new. Then in the 1970s, it was the oil crisis, lines at gas stations, inflation, eating away at savings, stagnation, an economy that made people wonder if the American engine had finally run out of fuel,

and if it was over. again perspective today different causes same symptoms inflation energy instability economic anxiety a middle class that feels squeezed uncertain about the future but at that time something remarkable happened something that we just we didn't see necessarily as maybe a possible solution because other things were happening that were so bad in the 1960s the assassinations began Martin Luther King Jr. Robert F. Kennedy. Moments that didn't just take lives but shattered our confidence. Today, the same thing.

The assassination of Charlie Kirk. Multiple attempts on the life of President Donald Trump. My job is to just look for patterns. That's what I do best. I look for patterns. We've been here before. That made me feel better. We've been here before.

But now let me complete the story. That's really only half of the story. In the late 1960s, it was a time of total chaos and despair, but it was also a time of decision. Because while fires were burning in places like Altamont, the free concert in San Francisco, where order collapsed so completely the hell's angels were used as security. At the same time, those fires were burning. Another fire was being lit, a different kind of fire. a fire of belief.

In the middle of that same turbulence, exactly as it is today, America decided to go to the moon. At the same time, with the same conditions, Apollo 11 went to the moon. Now think about this. At the very moment when voices on the ground are saying America is finished,

a very small group of Americans looked up and said, no, no, no, no, no, not yet. Not yet. And they chose creation, exploration, and the future over fight. It was right after, as the poet say, we slipped the surly bonds of Earth, that America then entered another revolution. This revolution was proclaimed by Time Magazine of all people. It was the Jesus' revolution, seemingly out of no one,

miraculously, all of these pieces just start coming together out of nowhere. These parallels matter because then, as now, America stood at the crossroads. One path led downward into division, into resentment, into the slow erosion of everything that once held us together, the family, faith, community, shared purpose, shared principles, eternal truths, and the other path led upward. And in 1969, we chose the heavens. So before I start my broadcast today, I just want to tell you, you know, the sky is still there. It's still sitting there unchanged, unclaimed, waiting.

And it doesn't care about our arguments. It doesn't bend to new math. It doesn't bend to new divisions. It just hangs above us the exact same sky that watched Rome rise and fall, that watched men cross oceans, that watched a fragile rocket leave the earth in 1969 carrying three human beings that had this stubborn belief that we are more than our worst moments. This Good Friday, the sky is asking the same question.

Are we better than our worst moments? Are we more than that? Do you still believe? Can we leave behind the lies of perfection, the lies of personalities and politics, and find the eternal principles? And quite honestly, our American grit

and believe in something bigger again, do you believe still in the idea that we can still form a more, perfect nation. Do you still believe in the idea that free people, when pushed to the very edge, especially Americans, push to the edge, we don't collapse, we choose. We choose to build, to reach, to rise. Because going to the moon, quite honestly, was never about going to the moon. It was a declaration that even in chaos, especially perhaps in chaos, we were, refuse to look down. We as Americans look up. Are we still those people? If this is another

1968-1969 moment, if the noise is loud and the country is strained and the future is uncertain, I say good, good, because we've been here before and we know exactly what to do. And we've done it before we steady ourselves. We reject the gravity of cynicism. We fix our eyes on something higher than the stupid fight in front of all of us that we're engaging in every day. Don't isn't, aren't you tired of it? Doesn't it just seem worthless and a massive waste of time? Of course it does, because it is. No nation has ever survived because they win arguments. They survive by choosing a direction, up or down. And if we choose up, if we choose to believe again, we choose to build again, to reach again, then one day, perhaps not too far from now,

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I just am concentrating on what the New York Times is saying today, that Donald Trump has to get rid of her because she won't go after his asses, enemies. Can we stop for just a minute? Can we stop for just a minute? Let me ask you fundamental principal questions. Do not think on teams. Do not think, whoa, yeah, but you guys, don't think that way.

Let me just ask you fundamental questions. If somebody caused a pandemic, they let it go. They covered it up. they then knew exactly what caused it, then got in bed with giant corporations, made money on all of the vaccines that they knew were not doing what they were claiming it was going to be done. It killed millions of people. They lied over and over and over again and millions died. Should anyone go to jail?

or should we just go, nah, I'm sure it won't happen again. Forget about the personalities and which side your team is on. Just answer that question. Do you want a medical system that can do that and get away with it? I think it's extraordinarily dangerous, but we're not prosecuting anybody. How about this?

Forget Russiagate. Do you think that either side should be able to collude in the White House, spy on people illegally, concoct this whole story out of whole cloth, use it politically, and then use it to impeach? forget Russiagate. Ask yourself, do you want your side to be able to do that? Or do you want the other side, whichever side it is, you want the other side to be able to do with it and get away with it? The answer is no. In both of those questions, the answer is no, right? If you're talking about principles, FBI targeting parents, do you want, do you want Donald Trump to be able to say, FBI, I want you to go after parents of anybody who is liberal. I don't even want that. And I'm not a liberal parent. I don't want that. You certainly don't

want that. Now, do you want it to happen to conservative parents? The answer should be the same. The FBI targeting journalists. The FBI labeling church members as extremist based on nothing. Do you want the government? Do you want the government? Do you want, the FBI and the federal government to be able to implant itself into a group of people and push them into an insurrection, which didn't happen, but push them into an insurrection and then lie about all of it. I don't want that. Do you want that free? Do you want my side to be able to do that to your side? Do you want the government to be able to tell now that everybody's saying, oh, Donald Trump's in bed with big tech.

Do you want Donald Trump to be able to say to big tech, silence those people? I don't want that. Do you want it? Do you want the FBI under the under Donald Trump, Donald Trump saying to the FBI, I don't care what it takes, get Joe Biden, go raid his home? And then plant evidence in the home. Do you want that? Because I don't want that. Shouldn't have been done to Trump.

Shouldn't be done to Joe Biden. Do you want the Heritage Foundation to be able to covertly get billions of dollars and then use that overseas to do things that you don't want done to take that money and pour it back into campaigns? I don't. Do you want people in China funding? groups to change our point of view online and on the streets. Do you want China funding things in our university that are violent in nature? I don't want that. I don't think you want lawfare. I don't want lawfare. New York Times, as usual, you're wrong again. This is not about Pam Bondi, not going after his enemies. These are enemies, if the

evidence proves it. These are enemies of the republic. These are enemies against our very eternal principles that must never be violated no matter which side violates it. And I know that there's a lot of people in government especially that will turn a blind eye to their side if they do it. I'm not one of them. And I don't know people who are like that. And if I do know people like that, they're not my friends. I don't want your side to get away with it. I don't want my side to get away with it. You know, everybody preaches about fairness and justice. This is about fairness and justice. I am sorry that it had to end this way for Pam Bondi. I wish her well. I'm sure she's going to be a Fox News correspondent soon. Now it's time for somebody who's serious about the job to not look at it

as partisan politics, but look at it as eternal American principles and let the chips fall where they may. Republican Democrat independent, you break the law, you are prosecuted and you go to jail, period. I want to take a second here, perform a little mental exercise. Take stock at what you have in your home that you value the things that you work for, the things that you built, the things that matter to you and your family. Now ask yourself, this. How much of what you just thought about would also be valuable to somebody who doesn't belong there? Because that's the reality. When a break-in happens, it's not random. Somebody else has already decided that what you have, they want, it's worth something to you. It's worth

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at glenbeck.com slash torch and hear the rants in person. So you know that mural up in Rhode Island? I just want to touch on this quickly. I've got to get it off my desk. It's been bothering me for the last couple of days. There's a mural of the woman that was killed on the train. Remember, she

was stabbed violently on the train, died. And nobody did anything about it. Well, an artist decided he was going to paint a mural on the side of a building. And it's beautiful, beautiful mural up on the side of a building in Rhode Island. Well, the mayor is all upset about it. And they're shutting it down. And they don't want it anywhere in their city.

And he said, quote, this has not brought us closer together as a community. In fact, it's been quite divisive and a little bit ugly. Wait, a picture of a woman who came here. from Ukraine legally and was stabbed by a madman and you don't want justice for that? That's not something worth remembering. What about all the George Floyd murals that were everywhere? Everywhere. How about BLM on the streets of the Capitol?

That's okay, but this isn't. He went on to say, this is a movement that was funded by some right-wing billionaires. unlike the left wing billionaires. Can we, can we stop playing this game? Please, can we stop playing this game of my team, your team? We have to agree on fundamental principles of right and wrong. Let me give you one. And because America, and quite honestly, me too.

There's a story out by Christopher Rufo that is in our show prep today. If you don't get my stack of show prep, you need to get it every day. It's free. Just go to glenbeck.com, sign up for the free email. newsletter. You'll get it every morning and it has all the news that I look at every day and I think are important and we cover, I mean, just we scratch the surface of it. But it'll give you an in-depth understanding of the news you need to know about. There's a story in there from Christopher Rufo about corruption in California. And quite honestly, I looked at it. I have the attention

span of a goldfish and maybe even a mentally deficient goldfish with ADD. This story is very long. And exposing corruption, massive corruption is really hard if you're trying to explain it to a bunch of goldfish. So most people will just tune it out. They won't because too many numbers, too many programs, it's really complicated. So I spend some time this morning trying to figure out how can I explain this to you and give you a good deep dive on it. but because if I can't explain it, if we can't make this understandable to the average person, then, you know, it's hiding there in plain sight and everybody will shrug their shoulders.

So here's what Christopher Rufo and his colleagues at the city journal have been digging into. And this is not isolated waste, but it is, again, a pattern. Remember, AI, artificial intelligence, it doesn't think all it does, because the this is intelligence, it recognizes patterns. So look for patterns. If everything, if a portion of what they have documented here is accurate, it is staggering. So let me make it really simple. First, let me give you the scale. This is according to interviews with officials, audits, and public records that are reviewed in the report. California may have lost as much as $180 billion to fraud and improper payments across multiple state programs.

Now, what I just said, I'm going to come back, and that probably didn't shock you at all. But when I go through this, I'm coming back to that number. And I think you'll go, holy crap. Now, this is an important distinction and something that most people on either side won't do. This number is an estimate. it's built from multiple sources and it is not a single confirmed audit line. But even the confirmed numbers underneath it are enormous. Let me just start with what's been confirmed.

Start with unemployment. During COVID, California alone rapidly expanded unemployment payments. What Rufo is now reporting based on state admissions and audits is that roughly $20 billion of that was confirmed as fraud, and $55 billion of that was classified as improper payments overall. So let me just take the $55 billion, not even the $20, just the $55 billion. How big is that? If you spent $1 million every day, it would take you 150 years to spend $55 billion. That is more than the entire annual budget of many U.S. states. You could build dozens and dozens, I'm sorry, hundreds of high schools and dozens and dozens of major hospitals with $55 billion.

You could fund tens of thousands, armies of teachers, police officers, and nurses, and you could fund it for years. $55 billion equals about $150 billion. taken, stolen from every man, woman, and child in America. Not taxpayers. Every single person in America. For a family of four, that's somebody coming into your house, the average American has $500 saved in the bank account. $500 is the average cushion.

This is this one program, one program in one blue state, stealing $600 from every family of four. $55 billion, if you stacked it in $1 bills, a million is four inches high. A billion stacked in $1 bills is 358 feet. That's taller than the Statue of Liberty. How big is a stack of $1 bills at $55 billion? It would stretch 3.7 miles into the sky. That's how much money, this one program,

in one state has paid out in fraud. That is something we should be able to see from a distance, but because these numbers are so big and it's going to get even worse, people won't understand it. I mean, the fraud is unbelievable. Payments were sent in the name of prisoners, including death row inmates,

international fraud rings, filing claims from overseas, criminals bragging about it online. saw it. This is not speculation. This is all documented. That's one. Then comes health care, Medi-Cal. Here are the things that are confirmed fraud. And then estimates and warnings. Experts cited in the reporting suggest fraud rates could range from 15 to 25% of total spending, which applied over time could mean tens of billions of dollars lost. Again, this is not a confirmed total.

You then have welfare and homelessness spending. California has spent roughly $24 billion on homeless programs. What Rufo's team documents now, specific criminal cases, including non-profit leaders siphoning millions of dollars, developers accused of misusing public housing funds, Fraud rings exploiting food assistance systems. How bad of a person do you need to be to take food out of people's mouths that are hungry and take it for yourself? And here's the key point.

Auditors have said in multiple cases they couldn't fully track the outcomes or spending effectiveness. Not they didn't like it. They couldn't track it. So what's the pattern? What Rufo is arguing in this report now very directly is this. This is not bad luck. This isn't just a few bad actors. This isn't just, well, it was COVID.

This is an entire system where oversight was weak to begin with. Safeguards were removed or people told to ignore and massive amounts of money pushed out quickly. This is an environment where fraud isn't just possible. It's inevitable and they knew it. Now, to be fair, I'll again do something that nobody else will do. To be fair, Newsom has come out and said fraud happened everywhere during COVID, and I'm sure it did. Emergency speed requires rapid payments. But what I want to ask you is, was that a bug in the system or was that a feature? How much was actually lost, not just in California, in the red states as well. How much is still being lost? Where were the systems? Where were they? If all of this feels abstract, let me bring it down to one single case.

There's another story in today's show prep comes from San Francisco. It's a woman whose job was to defend human rights and oversee taxpayer-funded programs. Human rights. All we keep hearing about are human rights. Make sure that it's justice and fairness, right? she's now facing 17 felony charges, including conflict of interest, perjury, and misappropriation of public funds. Prosecutors are alleging now that Cheryl Davis, who helped manage tens of millions of dollars, not from the state, but from the city. The city, the Dreamkeeper Initiative, diverted money meant for vulnerable communities, and it went right directly into her bank account.

Everybody in the city of San Francisco should be enraged. How much money do you pay in taxes? How come things aren't getting better in my city? Well, this is why. Let me give you the facts. Non-profit tied to her received $3.5 million in city funds intended to help homeless children. The money, according to the prosecutors, redirected through organizations all connected to her. In fact, her son allegedly received $140,000 deposited into an account she controlled.

A co-conspirator ran another nonprofit. That's accused of helping facilitate the scheme. And this wasn't uncovered by routine oversight. This one came from a whistleblower. Thank God for whistleblowers. And it went on long enough that investigators had to execute more than 50 search warrants and over 18 months just to piece it together. These are all allegations. They'll be tested in court. I want to remind you that. Her attorney is denying any wrongdoing, but prosecutors are clear.

These are not routine charges. And here is why this matters. This was not a back office clerk, and this isn't isolated. This and the other programs were done by people who were entrusted with public money, public trust, and a mission rooted in justice. And when people hear billions lost, it feels distant. Billion corruption doesn't start at $55 billion. And when you hear $55 billion, remember, you have five, the average American has $500 saved as a cushion. They stole from your family and every family of four in one state on one program, $600. One program, one gatekeeper, one decision to look the other way, or worse, multiply that across systems with weak oversight. Multiply it not just from San Francisco,

but cities all through California, then multiply it for all of the blue states. Then add in all of the red states. Do you think this is just a blue state problem? This is going to hit red states as well. The numbers are going to be astronomical. And if we don't fix this, that's how the whole thing goes apart. One small abuse at a time until it's not small anymore, but let me give you some good news. I believe the president put J.D. Vance in charge of this, because J.D. Vance's whole career is going to depend on the end. Did you find anything and did you put them in jail? And I will tell you, if J.D. Vance is smart, he will simultaneously do a red state as he does

a blue state. And he shows we're talking justice, not political payback. We are talking this is the American money. This is the American taxpayer. This is about our, about our very survival. When you are stretched so thin, you have a hard time making money, enough money to buy your food for your kids at the grocery store, I don't care who did it. They're going to jail. And I think you're going to see that. I think you're going to actually see action on this one, because it is in the best interest of a guy who's very, very sharp and wants to be the next president of the United States. Back in just a minute.

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atheists. I got a lot of people unhappy with me. I want to talk about this. And the difference between science and faith. We'll do that here in 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about my Patriots apply. When that crazy day comes, God forbid it does. But it'll happen. Emergency weather. Some sort of disruption from something. Grocery stores are packed. They, you know, clean of everything except kale and vegan cheese. And when that happens, you're going to be like cheese. I wish I would have thought about this earlier. Glenn Beck was right. Now I'm eating vegan cheese. Oh, yeah, that day is coming. Oh, yes.

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and that moment. And next thing we know, we have people coming after me. God is not great. Really? Who is arguing this? God's not great. Science is great. Okay. I want to talk to you about science and the difference between science and faith. But before I do that, I want to show you something else that just came out in the Washington Post today. The more people use social media, the less likely they are to believe that democracy is the best form of government. This is a survey of over 20,000 Americans. The same heavy users are far less likely to believe democracy is the best form of government. 53, sorry, 57% of heavy users, people who use the internet, five, you know, or social media, about five hours a day, whereas 73% of people who use social media for an hour or less say

democracy is the best form of government. That is crazy. So if you're a heavy social media user, you are more open to political violence, you are less open to compromise. This is what the survey has just found posted in the Washington Post today. They find it hard to get along with people who don't share their belief and they are less likely to believe that everyone should have the right to vote. That's incredible. That's incredible. Which brings me to something that Thomas Jefferson said about newspapers, but I just replaced the word newspaper with social media. He said, the man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but social media. He said newspapers. But that is our newspaper. The man who reads nothing at all

is better educated than the man who reads nothing but social media. It's true. It is true. So let me take you to science, but I want to take you through science by looking at the calendar. Today, it's Passover, sorry, Wednesday was Passover. Today is good Friday. Easter is on Sunday. These are three markers in time separated by centuries, but all bound by one single idea. deliverance as an event. For a long time now, for a very long time, we've been told something that is not true. We have been told quietly at first,

then loudly and then confidently, then beating the chest, and then told, shut up, sit down. Faith belongs in one corner, and facts belong in another. That science only advances when belief retreats. That the old stories, the ones that built civilizations,

have to be discarded if we're to be considered modern, rational, and enlightened people. I just want to ask you the question, what if that assumption is wrong? Remember this, we're talking about the same people who told us that butter is good, then butter is bad, then butter is good again. It's going to be bad, and then it'll be good again. Science is constantly changing. Truth never changes. But what if the, what if the separation between science and religion, there was no dividing line there. There was no dividing line there. The dividing line is between open minds and closed minds. And that could be on either side.

You can be religious and totally close-minded to science. You can be a scientist and you're totally closed-minded to religion. But piece by piece, layer by layer, something remarkable is happening, and it's happening in the dirt. In excavation sites, in burial grounds, in fragments of papyrus and the ruins of ancient cities. places like where the Bible calls Goshen, Averis. Archaeologists have uncovered something that they weren't looking for. And this is amazing. This is a story in the Glenback show prep.

You can also get it at glenbeck.com today. It's a free article. Ryan Morrow wrote this. And he's been looking at this for a while. What we found in the dirt was a massive, Semitic population, a Jewish population. Foreign to Egypt, they were all living together, but they were not equals. They were laborers. They were slaves. Remember, everybody has said, oh, that whole Passover story, that whole story of the Bible, that's all false. We can't prove that.

Well, now, wait a minute, hold on. These were people that did not belong to the ruling class. They were part of the system. Then there's another site. I think it's Ku Han. Same story. Same Jewish kind of people. Same conditions, slaves for Egyptians, two separate places. And here's where it gets really strange. The archaeologists have found that suddenly these people just vanished.

It wasn't through assimilation. It wasn't through war or genocide. It wasn't through illness. They just vanished. Just gone. What's interesting is it's happening, it happened at the exact same time, Egypt was hit by catastrophic calamities. Massive death, sudden devastation. They have found burial pits, not filled with soldiers, but with civilians and not just civilians,

but children, male sons. So it was an outbreak targeted, it seems. in a way that even modern researchers struggle to explain. Burial pits with sons, Egyptian sons, died of something. They don't know what. And an enslaved population that at the same time just disappears, that population was spared or passed over. After they're passed over, they immediately leave.

And there's no record of the destruction, no evidence of their, collapse. Just they depart. And Exodus. Now stop for just a minute because this is the part where modern thinking is supposed to kick in and say it's a coincidence. It's legend. It's myth wrapped around natural events. Okay, maybe, but you don't know that. And neither do I. I can tell you what I believe, but that doesn't necessarily make it true. But we're starting to find evidence that leans that way, not the other way. If you read some ancient Egyptian papyrus that has been found, an ancient document, it's not in Hebrew, and it describes Egypt at the same time in chaos, blood, plagues, death, social collapse, children dead in the streets. You read the records

from that second ancient town they found. It refers to an quote, evil. hour, a time of devastation that was marked by disease and loss suddenly overnight. Now, the question isn't, can this be proven? The question is now, why does this line up at all? Why does archaeology begin to echo what was written thousands of years ago? Why do independent records, hostile sources, start to resemble the same? exact pattern. Maybe, maybe, because the truth leaves fingerprints. Over time, if you're willing to look, if you have an open mind, and an open mind means I'm willing to consider it. It doesn't mean I believe it. I'm willing to consider it. And if you can make the case,

then I will believe it. But you got to make the case. But if you start to look, you begin to see that. Now bring all this forward from Passover to Good Friday. another moment where the world thought it understood the story. Man executed, movement crushed, hope buried, the end. That's what it looked like. But in about 12 minutes, I have a guest who is going to show you the evidence that is now because of science beginning to mount up that, uh-uh. It's not what people are dismissing it as. It's what the book says.

That happened on Good Friday. and then comes Easter. And everything that looked settled now suddenly isn't settled. Everything that looked dead is suddenly becoming alive. Everything that seems like the end was something else entirely. A turning point. A reversal. A deliverance that no empire could stop.

And so here we are today. Thousands of years later, still arguing, whether these things are real, as if reality is something we vote on, as if truth depends on a poll or consensus. But history doesn't work that way. And by the way, this isn't new. I can guarantee you that if the story in the Bible is true, Moses said these things are going to happen to you. And when they started to happen, the people in Egypt went, that's a coincidence. I mean, this is human nature. But truth comes out in the end. That's the way it works. That's the way God. is what we're learning now through science, through archaeology, through the slow uncovering

of the past is not that faith was wrong. It's that we're perhaps too quick to dismiss it, too eager to believe that modern means superior, too willing to close the book before we've read all the pages, or pondered, could this be explained some way or? or another, is there any evidence of this? Because now the evidence is mounting. And to me, what this says, the most important thing is science and religion are not enemies. When I said God is great, I didn't mean that God put the rocket into the sky. Man did that. Man used eternal principles. Mathematics, not common core math, not math that man's making up, but math that has been there since the beginning of time. We just had to understand it. And when you use those eternal principles,

you can call it science, but it's eternal principles. And you're able to do remarkable things. But that's man choosing to apply those eternal principles. And God is great because it's his design. And then he created us. And he's given us this desire to find truth, to explore. And when we actually come together and put our differences aside and look for common truths. Look at what we can do. God is great because he created us. But here we're finding ourselves in a situation where two languages are describing the same language, or same reality. One measures, one means. One tells you what happened. The other tells you why it matters. And when they begin to align, which it's Science is starting to align.

It doesn't diminish faith and it doesn't diminish science. It deepens it. This weekend is not just a remembrance. It is a reminder. It's a reminder that deliverance is not a myth. Do you want to live in a world where there is no deliverance? That you have to depend on me or you or some system to deliver you from whatever it is? I don't. I want truth that survives skepticism. I want truth that is actual truth, history,

real history, that has a way of resurfacing even when the best of intentions and the best of people have tried to bury it. No matter how dark that moment might appear, there's always morning coming. And science will back that up eventually. but faith gets you there. The God in the Old Testament was the God of deliverance of a whole people, and the God of the New Testament is the same God unchanging, but this time he offered personal deliverance. And I have to tell you, I don't care what science tells me about personal deliverance, but I have turned my life over to him when I had wrecked everything in my life,

and it was impossible to fix. And I surrendered to him. And I asked for forgiveness. And I tried to correct my ways. And I haven't corrected all of them. I've tried. And I try to be a more perfect person every day and I fail every day. But he is so good that he helps me.

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All right, let me show you another example. Really good news of science and faith. And I think the power of God coming together to correct things. Science told Hershey that they could make a better Reese's peanut butter cup. And it was awful. Why? Because they thought they. forgot about the eternal truth in the recipe of the original. Am I right? Can I get an amen on this?

It was science that wrecked it. It was science that first created it and went, this is yummy. Science wrecked it because man got involved and said, I know a better way. Now they have returned to the eternal truth of the original recipe. And I have to tell you, I think part of that came from you. We had the grandson of Mr. Reese's. We had Mr. Reese's on, but the guy, he's, he's the grandson of the guy who actually made the first Reese's peanut butter cup. And he couldn't get Hershey to pay attention at all. We had him on the air and people started to pay attention and he was on the air other places. So it wasn't just us.

But I think this audience is amazing. You spread the word Hershey. He said on the air, Hershey will never change. They don't care. They just came out and said, as of next year, we are going back to the original recipe, the classic milk chocolate and dark chocolate recipes. It will be out in 2027. That's huge.

Huge. Huge. Most people thought, most people, I've never seen anything like it. It's like something that nobody could even imagine. It's the biggest thing ever in chocolate. So we could eat the Easter? Not this year. Oh.

Next year. Next year, they will be back. Reese's peanut butter cup. Back to the original recipe. Thank you, Jesus. There is salvation. This time it just happens to come in a little cup of chocolate with peanut butter in it. All right.

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way. And the stuff he's going to show you today is remarkable. That's coming up in about a half an hour. Also, Kathy Lee Gifford, I think, is on with me for a few minutes next hour. That's good. I haven't talked to Kathy in a while. She's a sweetheart. But I want to spend a few minutes on something else. Today, I just really want to keep things positive. We are at our 250th anniversary as a nation. And it is amazing because I remember how, you know, the bicentennial in 1976 was a big deal and it was everywhere, every commercial, everybody was on board for the bicentennial. And this one is like, an America 250. I mean, it's remarkable how little has been done, especially by our government from the last administration. And so there's a couple of things.

There's America 250 that was started by the Biden administration, which is an interesting path they're taking on America's history. And then there's the Freedom 250, which is parallel, but is actually celebrating America's, you know, birth as a nation and the truth about it. And Tina Descovic, she is the co-founder and the CEO of Moms for Liberty, and she's a dear, dear friend and just, I think, a giant as a mom. And she has done so much good with Moms for Liberty. and she has decided to put on this event for the Freedom 250 at the Statue of Liberty, and actually it's going to be held on Ellis Island, which is just right across the water from it. And Ellis Island is so important, especially right now, because we understand where we came from. We are a nation of immigrants, but legal immigrants, legal immigrants, and everyone came here.

My people came here, you know, the Irish came here, the Chinese came, and we were all hated at first. We were all hated. But what we had in common was we didn't let that stop us. We said we believe in the principles of this nation, even though the people might suck here and there. We believe in the principles of this nation. And we know what it means. And so that's what this whole journey is going to be about. And it's happening on May 2nd.

and there are a few tickets left. This is a great fundraiser for moms for liberty, but it's just going to be an incredible event. And Tina is with us now. Hello, Tina, I haven't talked to you in a couple of weeks. How are the plans coming? Oh, it's starting to really all come together.

You know, putting on massive events like this is stressful, but also very exciting as they start coming together. So I'm thrilled at how it's coming along. Good. Just give a thumbnail of what people are going to experience. For those that have been out to Ellis Island, just the experience of arriving and taking the ferry over, passing the Statue of Liberty, where they'll stop for a few minutes and then go on to Ellis Island. That alone is, I mean, people line up from around the world to do that.

But then we have reserved the entire Ellis Island where millions of Americans and most of our ancestors came through. The entire hall and the entire island is ours for the evening. And obviously you're going to be there and playing a huge part, keynote speaking. We have a lot of special guests coming musical performances that your team has participated in. Mary Milden, for those that know her, is going to be performing to fireworks going off over the Statue of Liberty at the end of the night. So it is going to be a black tie gala and like no other. I am so excited. And how are our nameless special guests coming along?

We have some nameless special. I'm not allowed to say that we have named this special guest, which I guess, which I guess I just did. Okay. Well, no, we don't know. No, I'm the special guest you were talking about, Tina. He just, I will be unnamed for now. If you want to get tickets, I want you to go to glenbeck.com slash events and get your tickets there. again, it is happening on May 2nd.

And trust me, you are going to want to be. I'm bringing my whole family in from all over. My kids are coming. They're leaving school and everything else to be there because I think this is a once-in-a-lifetime event. I remember when Ronald Reagan reopened the Statue of Liberty with a new torch and he had fireworks. Like, we're going to have fireworks thanks to Patriot Mobile. And I remember that because it was. such a big deal. This is the same kind of an event. And we're going to have, I know David and Tim Barton

are going to be there talking about history and bringing some artifacts with one of the other co-sponsors, which is the American Journey Experience, otherwise known as Mercury One. That's our museum is the American Journey experience. I'm bringing a few things to show you'll be able, I mean, there's very few people that are going to be there. This whole island is for about 400 people. And you will be, up close and personal first draft of the Declaration of Independence, the stone copy of the Declaration of Independence. That's from 1820. The reason, if you ever see the Declaration of Independence in person, you'll look at it and you're like, I can't even see it. It's barely there. It's faded. No, it's not actually faded. Part of it is because they left it out in the sun for a while,

but most of it is because in 1820, they took a solvent and put it on top of the Declaration of Independence, then put rice paper on it, and lifted it up and took the ink. off of a lot of the ink so they could make copies of it. We have one of those very, very rare copies that you'll see. Also a ton of stuff from George Washington, his compass, his glasses, we have Lincoln artifacts, we have the first Bible printed. I'm bringing some stuff that are from some amazing immigrants that you might know. And we, I worked yesterday on a part of the program that is telling the story of somebody who came here in the 1930s or 1940s, I can't remember, that is going to blow people's minds.

It is only in America could this happen. And I'm really excited for that. You'll be there for it. Tina, I miss anything on this? Are you ready to announce that we're going to have watch parties and you can sign up for those? We've got all kinds of stuff to still talk. But I'm not sure what you're ready to explore.

I'm ready. Go ahead. Go for it. Yeah, Real America's Voice has come in as the media partner, and we had to get special permission from the administration to live stream from the island, and they're going to live stream and package the whole event so that all of your listeners that can't maybe get to New York that night will be able to host their own watch parties. And we have free kits that we'll be able to send them in Delmo to assist in their parties or a kit you can purchase to enhance your party.

Hashtag it, and Real America's Voice has offered if you're going to have a really great watch party to actually send out folks to broadcast and check in with us on the island that evening. So it's going to be amplified across the country. I will tell you that Torch was pursuing this. And when the number just for the broadcast hit 750,000, I thought, no, I'm going to have to pass this on to somebody else. the the, just because of the rules and regulations of the parks and New York and everything else, it is insane.

So I'm very grateful for Real America's voice for covering this. And you don't want to miss it. And in Torch, you'll get special access as well. We have other things happening. If you're a Torch member, we have other things happening the day before. I assume we're still on for that, Ricky, that I'm going to do some things behind the scenes that you've never seen. and we're getting a special tour of parts of Ellis Island that most people don't get to see as well. So all of that is coming up.

Sign up for it now. Get your tickets at you can either go for momsforliberty.com or glenbeck.com or glenbeck.com forward slash events and get your tickets now. There's only a few left. Tina, real quick, can we talk? You are on a panel at the White House. And you and I have been talking about education and how it really needs to be revamped. And one of the things that, you know, we've talked about a lot was what we're doing with AI. And I was so glad to hear that you are representing moms and families at the White House about protection of our kids with AI.

Because AI is either going to serve the system or it's going to serve us. Can you give us, bring me up to speed or bring in, you know, the audience up to speed on what you're doing and, and, and, and where we are in that process? Oh, I would love to. So, AI and education is the biggest threat to parental rights in America right now. It's the biggest threat to our children. And it is the biggest threat to education. That being said, it can be the biggest blessing if it's harnessed and the right policies are put in place. And mom's for liberty is just honored to be in a position.

now in America where we are leading in this area. And the White House, you know, I commend them for including us. You know, the White House released, President Trump released just last week their national policy framework for artificial intelligence. And because of the work that we've been doing with the White House and them including us on meetings. And in December, I spoke to members of the cabinet. And then I was recently at the First Lady's big event where she had with 45 first spouses

of other countries having these discussions. that national policy framework that President Trump released Brass week from the White House, the number one thing on that framework is protecting children and empowering parents. That is a huge win for us and for kids across the country. But there is so much work that still needs to be done in that policy crafting that needs to happen to make sure children are truly protected. Explain what that means to protect from artificial intelligence. What does that mean? You know, there's so many areas that still, there's so many areas.

areas in general that we need to protect children from. First of all, at all levels of government, which is where a mom's really really digs in and works. And so we launched in February a whole toolkit with model policies for school boards to adopt. So at the most local level, it will address issues like data privacy for your children, AI companions. We have a dad in Ohio who came to us recently,

whose 10-year-old daughter created an AI companion on her Chromebook at school during school hours, that it was sexualizing her for six months. He's got screenshots that are horrific. So policies need to be put in place at those most local levels to protect children and families. We keep saying, and I got this phrase from you, parents need to hold all the keys to the AI toolbox.

And we've been carrying that through all of our messaging to the White House, to our legislators, and at the most local level. So also in that toolkit, we have state model policy, which is a representative in South Carolina, who's already picked that up, and filed it in South Carolina. And then obviously President Trump is asking for federal legislation.

And there's so many tenants that need to be addressed. Transparency, making sure parents understand the algorithms. I mean, we're watching the lawsuits happening now with social media. It's 10 times worse with artificial intelligence. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And it has to be completely transparent. You have to know what that algorithm is and you have to be able to control it for your own family.

Tina, I can't thank you enough for everything that you guys do. I mean, there is nothing more powerful on earth than a mother. And when moms get together and they speak to power, it changes the world. And Tina has put together Moms for Liberty, and it is a game changer. And you know, I have my 100% total faith in support, Tina. I just love you as a person because I know you. I know your values and I know how hard you work. And I thank you so much for everything you're doing at momsforliberty.org.

So grateful for you, Glenn, and your partnership and your help. The one thing we didn't throw in is that we're launching the second event. We had so much excitement and response to the first event on D-Day, on the U.S. Midway in San Diego. So for your fans that are out on the West Coast, you will be there. David Barton will be there again. You're bringing artifacts again, and we're doing it again. Fireworks off the bow of the Midway celebrating American heroes.

I think that is the first time I have spoken or done a public event in California, maybe 10 years. Oh, wow. I just do not. Yeah. I know. It's going to be incredible. Yeah.

So join us and you can find all of the information for that event as well, especially at momsforliberty.org. Tickets are available through glenbeck.com slash events. And we will see you both in California and New York. The first one is in May. The second one is in June, right? Yeah. Yep.

June 6th. Right. And we have other special guests that are going to be there too, or not, or not be there. We don't know. We can't say. I couldn't definitely can't say. I never say. I'm not allowed to say anything. I know. Okay. Thanks, Dean. I appreciate it. God bless. Thank you. You bet. Bye-bye. Okay. Let me tell you about our sponsor this half hour. It's preborn. We have, we have to fight for the hearts and minds in this country, especially when it comes to something as serious as abortion. Preborn understands that. So what is the best way to fight? Well, the best way to fight is first with just neutral information, just truth. That's why they provide ultrasounds. So an expecting mom can see the baby growing inside of her. She knows it's not just a clump of cells. It's a heartbeat.

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Unconfirmed on what brought the fighter jet down. It looks like now, as multiple people are reporting on it, that it looks to be, they're saying a U.S. fighter jet. It's what analysts are saying, it looks like it might be an F-15, but it is now, as per reports, down, and there is currently a search and rescue operation for the pilots. God help us if those pilots are taken. May God, please, let's all say a prayer together for those pilots.

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but I need to get right to Jason, who is watching what has happened. We have a military jet that went down in Iran. We haven't found our pilots yet. They did eject. but there is a search going on for them. Pray, pray hard. These guys are in for real trouble if they happen to be taken by the Iranians. And everything could change.

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And it's going to be hard to, it's going to be hard to weed through some of the propaganda and the false information coming from Iranian state media. So I'm not even going to talk about some of the things that they have said. I'm just going to update on what has been supposedly confirmed. So U.S. officials to multiple different mainstream media outlets. now, most of them are reporting the same thing, that a fighter jet was indeed shot down. They say shot down, so not mechanical failure or anything like that, but shot down in southern Iran and a search and rescue mission is currently underway. We've seen a few different videos

from just people on the ground that have gotten out of some of this search and rescue happening, a couple of helicopters that are being refueled over the air in southern Iran. So that's really all we know at the moment. And our prayers are very much laser. directed on what's going on. This is so bad. Remember when this happened just over, I think it was Kuwait a couple of months ago. And our pilots were being approached by Kuwaitis. And you could see there was like, oh, dear God, what am I in for? And thank God they were friendlies. Hopefully these are friendlies that will approach them if they're approached or we'll get them out of there. This is really important. Stay on your knees and pray because this one can change everything.

All right. Thank you, Jason. Keep us up to speed. Let me talk to you here and introduce you to to the Prestonwood Baptist Church apologetics pastor. He is the president of the Christian Thinker Society, and he has been doing research on the death and resurrection of Christ and looking for the actual evidence of it, not just faith, but is there evidence of their? And I've gone with him to Turin in Italy, and we were with the shroud of Turin,

and it is unbelievable what science is now telling us, Jeremiah, I wanted to bring you on and talk to you a bit about, I think it's not a coincidence, but there is something happening, I believe, around this date, this time. We are expecting to know more about a comet that might be seen in the sky beginning on Sunday, but also Artemis. Is there any link to the dates of... Yes. Go ahead.

It's fascinating, Glenn. And I'm so glad that you're capturing this for the audience. And what I want you to know is we have the exact date that Jesus died by Roman crucifixion. It's the best established fact of the ancient world. He died on Friday, April 3rd. Guess what today is? Friday, April 3rd, AD 33. Wow.

We know that as a historical fact. If we cannot believe that, we cannot believe that Caesar crossed the Rubicon. in 49 BC because Passover fell on the 14th of Nissan and we know that that was Friday AD 33 a lunar eclipse was seen when Jesus was being crucified. This is all factual. You can see this. So that's why it went dark? Is that why I went dark? Exactly why it went dark. Absolutely. And so the facts that we're going back to the moon on the very week where the exact day, April 3rd, the crucifixion happened, that means the resurrection occurred, April 5th, 80, 33. That is providential. That is no accident and people need to wake up.

I want you to pick up his book. It's a great book, by the way. I haven't had a chance to talk to you since I've read it. The Jesus discoveries. And these are the 10 big, big historic finds that you will be introduced to Jesus face to face. and it is based on not just the Bible, but the facts that are provable facts. So can you take us through some of these facts that introduce in a different way? Absolutely. We're doing the more Glendiana Jones right now. Isn't it fun that the Christian faith, unlike any other religion, certainly not Islam, unlike any other religion in the world, Glenn, you know this. Archaeology is Christianity's closest cousin because Christianity is baked in

facts, real people, real places, real events. You know that I have a bunch of kids. I have nine-year-old triplets. I have two teenagers, so I haven't slept in nine years since my triplets were born. And at dinner, my kids challenged me. They said, Dad, what can you tell us about Jesus? But you can't use the Bible. Now, hey, we love our scriptures, right? But the fact is, all of us listening right now, we need to know how to pass the faith onto our kids and to do it in two minutes or less. And so I wrote a book, Glenn, about all the things we can prove about Jesus from the evidence. We can build 65 facts, 65 about the birth, the death, the life, the miracles, the burial, the death, and yes, the resurrection of Jesus from extra biblical sources before we ever crack open the New Testament. Now, here's the problem.

Most people are 98% of people listening right now. They don't know what these discoveries are. And so I wanted to write it in a way. My nine-year-old, who I dedicated the book to, Abel, was reading it to me. Glenn, I paid off every archaeologist I could to get permission to use photos. So we actually have images of all these discoveries. And this will give you that X factor when you're talking about your faith that Jesus is based in evidence. But here's the cool thing, Glenn. I don't know if you've read the chapter yet where I talk about you, Glenn. I actually talk about you in my book. Here's what I write.

I will never forget my dear friend, Glenn Beck, through tears, giving testimony in the Holy Chapel of the Shrout and Turin. And you said, it's one thing to see it on television. It's a whole other thing to witness it firsthand. You were doing experiential archaeology. That's what your audience loves. That's what you did. That's what Panya and you and me did together. Experiential archaeology.

And here's one thing I do need to correct, Glenn. a lot of fine Christians, they think, oh, I just need faith. I don't need proof. Can I just tell you something, Glenn? If Jesus did not walk out of that grave alive on April 5th, 2,000 years ago, physically alive from the dead, the Bible wouldn't exist. Am I making myself clear? He said in Acts 1-3, he appeared with many infallible proofs. And so faith is always based in evidence. Does that make sense. Yeah. And I think, you know, I don't need, I don't care what, I don't care what anybody tells me. I know my relationship with Christ and I know, I understand redemption and salvation because I needed it so badly. And I know that that is a power that does not come from man. That is something entirely different.

And I don't care what any science tells me. But the things like when I was with you at the shroud, when you actually see these things and you can experience them and you know, wait a minute, wait a minute, this is proven. It doesn't strengthen your faith. It just deepens it. It just deepens it. It gives you more confidence to say, no, no, my friend, I can talk to you about the spiritual stuff, but I'm talking about the scientific stuff that is provable because a lot of people,

they don't have any idea what's provable. They just, you know, they don't know about Josephus, which your book talks about. They don't know that there's, there was a Jew that the first, the world's first historian that talked about Jesus. That's right. And Glenn, this is why what you're doing so important with Torch, you know, I'm a, by the way, can I weigh in on the, on the pole since I'm a full Torch member, Glenn? No. Listen, no, I'm going to. Listen, Glenn, you told me to go speak at the World Economic.

economic form in Davos, all the people that are working with the Antichrist. So let me tell you, you're absolutely going to go speak in Oxford, and you'll mop the floor with all of them, okay? Oh, geez. Okay, all right. Okay, so let's go through it. Let's do go through a couple of things. Talk about the James Osceuary. What is that? The James, the James, we actually have the bone box, ossuary is a bone box, and we have the very bone box of Jesus's brother James. How do we know that? And Glenn, you're talking to someone who's been in more tombs and more ushories than anyone else in the entire world, okay? And so, osheriaries are what you would collect bones in. That's all oscillegium means.

It means bone collection. And oftentimes, Glenn, it would say, you know, Glenn, son of, and it would say your dad's name. Well, we actually have an ushuary that says James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus. No other usherry. And we have 150,000 of them on the Mount of all of them. It says, brother of anyone. And this is what's so cool about this finding. James thought his brother, was embarrassed by his brother.

I mean, I have four sons, as I mentioned, and I don't know if you have any brothers, Glenn, but what would it take for you to believe your brother is the Messiah? Like, what would it think for any of it? It would take God. Yes, exactly. And so James was skeptical, too, like many of our audience. And guess what? Jesus appears to him, 1 Corinthians 157 and says, bro.

I hope we can time travel someday and go back. when Jesus appears, he said, bro, check out my hands, check out my side. And James becomes the leader of the Church of Jerusalem, and he dies in 8062. And I know that not because the Bible said it, because who you mentioned, Josephus, that first century historian, he dies, Glenn, in 8062, believing his brother is the Messiah. I cry when I think about this, because sometimes it's the hardest to reach our own family with the faith. And so that's why we have a chapter in the book that, listen, James, the justice, he's called, died believing his brother with the Messiah. And yes, in 2002, we found his ossuary. Talk about the healing magic. What does that prove to us?

This is so powerful. Glenn, this is, Glenn, you've written so many great books. I try to copy everything you do because you're such a great communicator. By the way, y'all, I listen to Glenn over Pete's in turn explain the American Constitution. Glenn should be teaching the Constitution at every university in America. Okay. Can everyone just say, amen? You are incredible. So magic, this is huge. Do you know, and this has never happened to me before. Before my book that Jesus discoveries ever came out, popular mechanics and other scientific magazines were doing articles on my book because of this one discovery. Glenn, you may not have heard of this. It's so new. The earliest artifact that we have with the name of Jesus on it, is actually a magic cup.

Now, stay with me on this for a minute. Jesus is known as a miracle worker and as an exorcist way before the resurrection, okay? And you think Luke 722, remember, 25% of the Roman Empire was sick dying or in need of immediate medical attention on any given day. Frank Gaudio, my friend at Oxford in, by the way,

there's Oxford again, 2008. He's a marine archaeologist, so he does archaeology underwater. He enc discovers a cup, and there's pictures of this in my book the Jesus Discovery. Do you mind if I say it in Greek for your audience how it appears on the cup? Can I do it? It says, it says, Hulguesi, says, di Christu, through Jesus, the magician or the enchanter. What does that mean? That means that Jesus's name is so incredibly popular, Glenn, that around

the Mediterranean world, people realize if you insert this name, Jesus, there's power and it heals people. So guess what? That means God can heal you, too. I want to take a quick break. I want to come back. And I want to talk to you. I was thinking about, you know, the inscription and you write about it, you know, the King of the Jews, the inscription on the cross. Yes, the titular. And I had, I had something come to me this week that just because of the times we live in. Now, I want to see if you think there's anything to it. And then you can also talk about the King of the Jews. And the name of the book is the Jesus discoveries. It is really, really good. Jeremiah Johnson is our guest. We're going to say, we're going to say, spend a couple more minutes with him here in just a second. First, let me tell you about Z Factor. Maybe you drank too much coffee in the morning. Maybe, you know, you brought the stresses of home or stresses of the day home with you. And your brain just as a sudden have the off switch right now.

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or visit relieffactor.com. 10 seconds, back to Jesus. So I don't know if there's anything to this, Jeremiah, but, you know, King of the Jews, I was watching something just the other night, and it was about the crucifixion, and it said, you know, the inscription, King of the Jews.

And I thought, you know, when they put the crown on him and everything else, and they mock him with the robe, I thought this is really kind of the first, real anti-Semitism where you are seeing people mock him as, oh, here he is, the king of the Jews. And it just took on, because of how we're living right now and we're seeing what people say, that's not why they killed him.

But it just felt different to me that I looked at it maybe from their time instead of our time. Does that make sense to you? that's the Holy Spirit speaking to you it's a shame we even have to have this segment but we do and in fact i have a picture of the titulus in my book that jesus discoveries he writes the king of the jews and i want to clear something up for our audience jesus flogged 700 times he loses one-third of his blood volume on good friday plea by the way glen i just i just got some first century dice made a bone i've got to show him to you next time i'm with you because don't forget the crew the executioners are gambling for his clothes Well, the author of life is dying before them. They affix a mocking, a condemnation sign, Titulus, Cruces, and Latin, the king of the Jews. But can I just say one thing? If you and I were in the audience that day, when Pontius Pilate presented the bleeding, nearly dead Jesus, mocking him, humiliating him, it wasn't just the Jews yelling crucify him, Glenn.

Every single one of us would have been yelling crucify him. Every one of us would have been. Why do you see it? killed Jesus because our sin put Jesus on the cross. We needed him to die, not just the Jews. We would have been yelling, crucify him, because without Christ, we destroy ourselves. And so, yes, it's anti-Semitic, the King of the Jews. They're mocking him. And it is truly the first form of anti-Semitism. And they mock him. He is crucified. Not an area of his body is not wounded, including the pelvic region. And friends, this is God demonstrating his love. Forgiving me.

for preaching, Glenn, but someone right now in your audience, they need to know that God loves them and that there's hope. And Romans 5-8 says, but God demonstrated, and that's what we're thinking about, demonstrated. His love for you and me, and that when we were at our worst, he sent his best Jesus to die for us. And that's why that condemnation sign is so important. And let me just remind you, Romans 8, therefore there is now no condemnation to those of us who are in Christ. Do you see the connection, Glenn? Jesus had a condemnation sign. We don't because like you said earlier in the broadcast, you've been forgiven. I will tell you, I don't know why, Jeremiah. It is so hard to ask for forgiveness for yourself and and and and accept forgiveness for yourself.

We can forgive others, but it is so hard to accept. And it's like, you know, people like, I can't even go to God on this. I can't even go to God on because I've made so many mistakes and I've promised so many times and I've broken the promises so many times. I'm like, he's not surprised. He knows. He already knows. It's not like you're going and he's going to go, wait a minute, you did. What? He knows. And he's already accepted. It is just about

getting you to accept the forgiveness. Why is that so hard? Glenn, and here's what I would say. Well, first, a lot of people have challenging relationships with their dad. Now, Glenn, you are a rock star. dad. So do you think about any of your kids coming to you have made a mistake? You're going to love them. You're not going to shame them. You look at your, you'll hear your kids and you say, your love for me, my love for you will never diminish. It doesn't matter what mistakes you

make, period. But you know what a lot of people have broken relationships with their dads. A lot of people don't even know how to ask. And they don't even know what to do. We all pray way too religiously. Do you remember the prayer, Glenn, that Jesus said was the perfect prayer? Do you remember this one? Quickly. I've only got about 40. seconds. Sorry. Go ahead. God be merciful to me a sinner. That was all it took. Jeremiah, I appreciate your friendship, and I appreciate all the stuff that you've done and you've gone all over the world and you have really made this so people can really see it and understand

it in such a great way. The author of the book, The Jesus Discoveries, it's a perfect gift. If you're going somebody's house for Easter, it's a perfect get. Get two copies, one for them, a thank you and then one for you as well. The Jesus' discoveries available everywhere, Jeremiah Johnson. Thank you. Happy Easter. Thank you and your family. God bless.

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Rapid Radio. communication redefined. This Easter week at Torch we featured several inspiring Christian authors to get your heart ready for the resurrection. Read it all free at glenbeck.com. You know, there are people that I have met that I like to consider friends

because they're the kind of people that you can talk to and then not talk to them for a few years and you immediately fall right back into where you were. and Kathy Lee is one of these people. Kathy Lee Gifford, I say I'd like to consider her friend. I don't want to assume that I am because she is, in my book, she is a really big deal. She, I mean, she is really a pioneer of really good, wholesome daytime television, that morning talk show when she was on with Regis and Kathy Lee.

I mean, the world was a different place, you know, forerunner to. this crap that we get on the view and everything else. And she is also one of the most decent people, I think I have ever met. And it's an honor to have her back on the show. Kathy Lee, how are you, my friend? Oh, make me cry. I just did my makeup. So did I, strangely.

So lovely, lovely to speak to you again. I feel the same way about you since the first time we met in New York. I know. And I always enjoyed being on with you and had great. great, great respect for you and your intelligence, but your sense of humor and your devotion to, what a patriot I felt you were. So none of that's changed, my friends. So when they called me and said, you know, and I'm like worn out from this book tour, you know what book tours are like, and I know. And I said, it's Glenn Beck. And I said, yes, yes, whenever he wants me, however long

he wants me, I am there. So thank you for the honor of being with you again, my friend. Well, you have written a book, Nero and Paul, and tell me about it. Well, actually, I've co-written this. I have to give this gentleman all his do. Dr. Brian Litton is a PhD, has written his own books as well, but he's a absolutely brilliant biblical scholar. And so I don't pick up something I know I can't lift, if you know what I mean. Yes, I do. Yeah, I mean, I can look at an envelope and I go, I can handle that. You know, you see the other stuff, you go, I need help.

I know. And if I was, my son who got his master's at Oxford University, is a brilliant, brilliant mind. And he said, Mom, a couple of years ago, Mom, why don't you take this obsession you have with these epic characters from the scripture, epic characters that started with Herod? And it goes on from there. There's no lack of evil in the Bible.

And I'm fascinated by it. He said, let's make thrillers out of them. You know, the way that Bill O'Reilly did, killing Lincoln, killing Jesus, killing all of that. But make them biblically and make them scholarly. So you have Nero, you have Nero who, you know, wealth, glamour, sex, power, all of it, self-proclaimed God. And then you have Paul, which is a different worldview, clashing.

Tell me about that. Well, you know, what's fascinating to me, Glenn, is that they didn't start out clashing. They both started out as babies. And you and I both believe babies come straight from heaven, and they're perfect. But Nero was built, his lust for power, was in the Roman world,

the hedonistic Roman world, which was as bad as you could get. and and but but but saul of tarsus as the way he started out he had the same kind of zeal and he thought he was a righteous man because he he had the same kind to be uh he wanted to be a pharisee and a sadducee and he wanted to be in the sanhedron he wanted to be caiaphas he wanted to be the new the new caiaphas which was he was a really really bad guy as there as they're stone I think it was James. He says, let me hold your coats. No, no. It was Stephen, the very first one.

Stephen, the very first martyr. You don't want to get blood on your coat. I'll hold it. He was a bad guy. He did, but he thought he was righteous. Yes, yes. Here's the beauty of this story. He thought he was killing and murdering, not murdering. To him, it wasn't. It was just getting rid of these people that were called at the time, followers of the way. They weren't. They were all. Jews. So he thought it as a heinous thing in the Jewish population. He had to get rid of it for

it for righteousness sake, right? And we're called Christians until Nero called them back. Interestingly enough, the apostolic period had to come in after Jesus was resurrected and offended. Then they were called apostles, which means to be sent out with a message. And they were, the followers of Jesus, the followers of the way then were being so persecuted by Nero, so horrendously tortured and everything else. And Saul of Tarsus was a big part of that. And they left Jerusalem. And so it was on the road to Damascus that Saul of Tarsus heard the voice of Jesus say to him,

Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? and Saul goes, I am Jesus, the one you are persecuting, and then he goes blind, and then he goes into a whole, the rest of the story, some people know. But what amazes me, Glenn, is it took him hearing,

hearing the absolute voice of Jesus for him to realize, and this is the part that makes me sob, Isaiah, he was already here, and I am torturing and murdering. That's why he, he said for the rest of his life, I am the worst of all sinners, the greatest of all sinners.

That was me. And he never got over that. But he missed the Messiah. So we say to ourselves now, Glenn, with everything that's going on in the world, what do we want so desperately that we are missing the Messiah ourselves? And everybody needs one. Everybody needs a savior, whether it's from what you're afraid of, what you're afraid of, what you're brokenhearted from, what you're addicted to, whatever.

We all... And so it was Nero who said, we've got a problem with these little Christians. He said it very derisively, and he meant it because the word... So the story that you're bringing here is, I mean, I think so appropriate for today. Because we are so... we've lost hope. We are seeing everyone's struggle for power in all walks of life, in everything that we see. It is all about the struggle for power and even truth is at stake.

And what is it that you found in the story that you hope people connect with to, that gives them, because this is what we really lack. We lack hope. We lack hope that this can be solved. That's right. And that's why our sub-title is, and this is the second in the series, the first one was Neero, no, it was, excuse me, Herod and Mary, talk about juxtaposing ancient evil and living hope. As Herod was dying and he was, I mean, just, his body was literally littered with everything else from the way he lived his life. He's dying while Mary has the hope of the

world, the hope of humankind. She's carrying, Mary used to call himself the king of the Jews. He wasn't even a Jew. And Mary is carrying the king of humanity in her, in her womb. So that's what I loved about that juxtaposition. They were around at the same time. And Nero and Paul were too, although Paul was, quite a few years before Nero. But still, it was Nero, the world of, he was the one that was crucifying all the believers in Jesus by that time called Christians, and he was torching them. He would light Rome up with them on crucifixion crosses, you know, and he never fiddled while Rome burned. That was, the fiddle was not even invented then. That's, that's just one of those things. How did he, how did, what is his ending? Did he ever come and turn around?

Badly, never, never, never. He committed suicide. And the Herod died of maggots and larvae in his groin. You know, none of these, none of these people that had more power than the world had ever seen at the time. None of them ever turned around. But Saul of Tarsus did. And why? Because he literally heard the voice of the Messiah. So how do we apply this to our life today, Kathy?

What are we missing? Where have we missed the Messiah in our lives? what are we struggling with that we haven't given him yet that we haven't turned over haven't surrendered to him yet it's you know he's he's not the kind of leader that wants to you know and put us in chains that's why i don't like religion glen you and i've talked about this many times religion for the most part as i have observed puts us in chains of some sort the way the pharisees and the saddues did they were already under the rule of Rome. They were already under the Torah.

That's enough for any human beings that have to try to deal with. Then they added like 600 other things. It's another whole conversation. They sound a lot like our pilgrims. Yes. Yes. And I just want to be freed up.

I know most people I know. I don't want to live like this. I want to be free. And Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes under the Father except through me. And people say, well, that's intolerant. That's a terrible thing. No, if I'm going to be, if he's holding the keys to the kingdom, right?

And I want the one who actually died for me. Today, today is Good Friday. And it's all, but we know it exactly what it is. It's Passover when the lambs, you know, when the angel. The angel of death. The angel of death passed over because, so that's, we need to know our Judaic history, basically, is what I'm saying. And that's why I write all these books.

People don't realize that it's inconvenient truth to most people in Western culture, that the story of scripture from beginning to end is a Jewish story. Kathy, can I ask you a question? And I've only got about a minute left here. Any question. You know you can, of course. Are you surprised at how dark we have gone, especially people of faith, how misguided we have gone so fast? I mean, it just feels like Jesus is coming. There are so many people losing their way fast that I would have never expected.

Yes, and they thought they were on the path of the righteous. They thought they were, just like Saul did. No, and the anti-Semitism is breaks God's heart. I have people that I love who say, well, the Jews were once God's people, but they're not anymore. No, that is totally unbiblical. It's unscriptural. You know, I study just the Greek and the Hebrew because so many of the translations of the Bible are terrible, especially the King James Version, the worst.

Jesus was not a carpenter. We've talked about this. He was a stone mason. There was no buildable wood in first century AD. And it's a nice idea that Jesus, what? He worked with bushes, not trees. And the rest of the time, he worked with rocks. If you've been to the Holy Land or anywhere in that world,

none of the ruins are wood, all of them are stone. Jesus was a stone mason. So if we got that wrong, what else do we get wrong? My first rabbinical teacher happened to be a, it wasn't Jewish at all, but he was a brilliant biblical scholar, Ray van der Lawn, And he was from, he's a Dutch man from Holland, Holland, Michigan. And he said, Kathy, we're wrong about everything. And that's when my faith came alive again, Glenn.

I want to know the truth because that's what sets me free. I know. And now all these books later, I think this is my 37th book. Wow. And it's not all on, not all on faith. Some of them are funny books. Some of them I co-wrote with Regis. Some of them are kids' books.

But they add up as a sort of a body of work. the years. And I did most, wrote a lot of them when I was in the back seat of my car going in and out to New York to do my TV shows. You know, I never wanted to waste a minute, Glenn. Well, you haven't. You know, I do believe Jesus is coming soon. But I don't believe there's more evil in the world today than there was before. The serpent was in the garden at the beginning, the same time that the, that the God, Jehovah God was walking in the coolness of the night with Adam and Eve. I think, I think that. I think the difference now is, yeah, I think the difference now is that it thinks it's going to win.

And so it's more bold and more brazen. But we know how the story ends. Kathy, God bless you. Thank you so much. It's so good to talk to you again, my friend. Oh, Glenn, I treasure you. I treasure you. I hope you and your family are doing so well.

We are. We are. And make his face with shine upon you. Shalom, shalom. Thank you, Kathy Lee Gifford. The book is Nero and. Paul, another great read, especially for, if you're looking for a gift for somebody for this season, or you just want to keep yourself rooted in the story, Nero and Paul by Katie, by Kathy Lee Gifford.

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Listen to him. What are you most excited, Jack, about this launch? My most launch into space because I'm so obsessed with space. So I'll see Ryan launched from ground to sky. So it'll be totally exciting. I love that. You're obsessed with it. I love your space suit.