The Glenn Beck Program - Who’s Laughing at Trump’s Historic Greenland Deal Now? | Guest: Tristan Harris | 9/21/26

Episode Date: September 21, 2026

The national average for diesel fuel has nearly doubled since last year, the first time in the history of the number. Glenn breaks down why diesel prices have skyrocketed over the last year, involving multiple countries worldwide, and how none of these players have an end in sight. Glenn also lays out what President Trump can do now to help the situation immediately. President Trump announced last Friday that he secured a deal with Greenland granting the United States permanent control over Greenland's security. Center for Humane Technology co-founder Tristan Harris joins to discuss the potential dangers of artificial intelligence and the legal safeguards that can protect society from AI gone awry. Glenn warns that unearned knowledge given away too soon will ruin the world but reveals the only thing that can stop it. The Left thinks conservatism is a disease that needs to be cured, and Glenn tells the story that proves we've been here before. Glenn calls out the attacks on TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk and the higher education system, which he argues is now built to shelter students from differing opinions.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Remember, good ranchers.com slash glen. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. It is Monday. I want to just start with this. Bill Maher. Thank you. Thank you for seeing sanity and being able to see through all of this craziness. Here's what Bill said on his show on Friday.

Listen to this cut one. I mean, I looked at... And we're less crazy. Who's less crazy? Democrats. You haven't noticed? Have you seen the Democratic... I'm not.

You're being sarcastic. Oh, I said, no. No? You think we're less crazy? Maybe not inside, but we're at least when we go out and give a speech talking about the economy and corruption. They're communists who think the Islamists are the good guys. Are you kidding less crazy?

The candidates? Oh, some of the candidates. Like, you're not following the Democratic Socialists of America? Oh, no, I'm following them. I have to see them every day. I work at Fox News. Okay. They're not less crazy.

And they're not recanting any of that. crazy gender stuff. I mean, they're doubling down. Somebody else sees it. America, somebody else sees it. And then there's the other side. Barack Obama, I'm going to get into this. Trump said he expelled three people from the White House Press pool, said you're not welcome. It's going to go to court, blah, blah, blah. But I heard this from Barack Obama this weekend. I about lost my mind. Listen to this quickly. Cut three. My imagination could not foresee some of the stuff is going on right now. I'm trying to think what would have happened if I had said, you know what, Fox News?

You're out of here. It's unimaginable. No, it's really not. And I have the tape to prove it. We do that. And we talk about what the really important news that came out of Russia this weekend. Because you had President Trump called back to the White House from Canada. David Benjamin Njahou decided to change his plans. He's coming to the United States later this week because of what happened. Not only with the Houthis, but also in Russia, this is going to affect all of us deeply, and you need to understand it. We'll start there in 60 seconds. First relief factor. We've spent about 100 years inventing machines so you don't have to move. The elevator saves you from the stairs. Groceries come to the front porch. You can turn off the bedroom light, you know, without getting out of bed.

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The national average right now for diesel is $6.29 a gallon. A year ago, it was $3.73. California, it is over $8. In Europe, it is $17. For the first time in history, every region in the country is over $6 a gallon for diesel. Most of us don't buy diesel, but you're going to pay for every gallon. gallon of it anyway. Gasoline is a bill that we all see every week. It's printed on a sign 40 feet in the air. You know, when you go up and they change it, you're like, oh, crap. You combine the errands. You get

mad because you're having to pay that gas price. Diesel doesn't work like that. Diesel moves the thing before you own it. It's in the tractor that planted it. It's in the combine that cut it. It's in the semi that hold it to the elevator, the locomotive that took it to the mill, the truck that took it to the warehouse, you know, the truck that took it to the store, the van that put, you know, put that box on your porch. And so by the time a can of soup or whatever you have is in your hand, diesel has touched it six or seven times and not once did it print a number that you could read. So the diesel price never arrives as the diesel price. It arrives at the grocery. It arrives at the grocery bill, a season late under somebody else's name. What's happening right now is very concerning.

There are two different stories that people keep mashing into one, and it's not one story, it's two stories. First, let me start with Iran. The Iran War raised the floor under everything. Crude got tight when the Gulf got dangerous, and everything made from crude went up. Gasoline is at $4.32. cents. The S&P Global said last week it no longer expects Middle East production back to pre-war levels by the end of 2027. That's the broad one. And that one shows up at the pump that we see and it shows up immediately. That's the Iran War. Diesel is something entirely different. The Ukraine War is doing something very narrow and for diesel specifically much, much worse. You can't drone a barrel of oil out of the ground, but you can burn down the machine that turns that oil into diesel,

and that is exactly what Ukraine is doing. They have spent now a year doing this methodically, plant by plant. I think Russia has 32 diesel plants and 22 of them have been hit now. the international agency or energy agencies says that through the first eight months of this year, Russian refineries were successfully hit an average once every three days. They can't repair them. They can't keep up. Oxford Institute, 22 of 34 refineries attacked in 2026. That's three quarters of them.

Three quarters of them. Russia's refinery has fallen now to its output, fallen to its lowest level in more than 20 years. Diesel production is down roughly 30%. Then, over the weekend, a Moscow refinery, a quarter of a million barrels a day, 16 miles away from the Kremlin in what Russia is calling the largest drone barrage of the war. Now, why am I starting the show with this today? I mean, you know, why does that land on a truck stop in Amarillo? Here's why. You have to understand the entire oil market, whether it's diesel, whether it's anything, anything made with petroleum, is a global market.

Russia was the world's second largest diesel exporter after I. us. We're number one. They were number two. Roughly one barrel in every nine of the planet's diesel came from Russia. In July, Moscow banned closed all diesel exports to keep its own army and its own farmers moving. And this month, they extended that ban through the end of the year. And their exports went from about two and a half million tons a month to under one. Those barrels didn't disappear from Russia. They disappeared from the global pool. There is only one pool.

Turkey and Brazil had been taking half of that fuel. They went shopping because you couldn't buy it from them anymore. So they had to come in on the market and they're starting to buy from the market because now they don't have their main supplier. Europe went shopping. Africa went shopping. Latin America went shopping. And they all came to the same place.

The American Gulf Coast. because we are the largest diesel exporter on earth. And our exports hit a record of 1.9 million barrels a day in August. We sold it. We drain our own tanks doing it. U.S. stocks are now at their lowest season level since 1996. That's 13% under the five-year average. And they expect them to be below average by 100 million barrels through most of 2027.

So this is diesel. This is heating oil. Same barrel. Northeast heating oil for this winter is already up 30% and it's not cold yet. One more number because it tells you what's actually broken. The spread between crude and the fuel, what it costs to refine, hit 117 a barrel this week. That's the highest in the data going back to 2009. normal is about 15.

Okay. Roughly 35 cents a gallon in a good year for gasoline. I'm sorry for diesel. 35 cents in a good year. It's now $2.78. Which means this is not a crude problem you can drill your way out of. We are not short of oil. We are short of the ability to turn oil into diesel worldwide, all

at once. And a refinery takes a decade. It's not a news cycle. A decade. So, Washington is reaching for the only lever that acts fast. John Thune, he said that he is open to exploring a ban on American

diesel exports. Keep it home. I understand it. A farmer in Iowa watching the product leave Houston for Rotterdam while he's paying $6.50 is entitled to ask What country is this? Why am I paying all of this?

The Congressional Joint Economic Committee found diesel added over $1.4 billion to the cost of planting this year's crops. $1.4 billion added to what farmers had to pay for the crops. That's a 63% increase. Worse in Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota. That's real, and we're going to feel that

as that can of beans arrives at your table. the president's own interior secretary says that's not going to lower your price and I think he has the better argument Gulf Coast diesel can can easily get pretty much anywhere except to New England because of the Jones Act there's not enough American flag tankers

so the Northeast buys from Europe cut off the exports and Europe stopped selling to New England and our refineries you know what are we doing? How does the Northeast get it? Where are they going to get it from? Because Europe will stop selling to us.

You'll feel patriotic in October, but you will be very cold in January. Here's the thing. We have two wars going on that are extraordinarily concerning. I'm going to go into some of the other things that are happening because Russia is starting to flail. They are losing. badly.

And it's an old superpower, and it's not going to go down easy. If diesel continues to go up, that's going to cripple everybody's budget in the entire world, not the United States. I want you to know, this is Biden's war. Diesel is Biden's war. Gasoline is Trump's war. Okay? Diesel, that problem is coming from Ukraine.

gasoline is coming from Iran. But if oil continues to go up per barrel, and we get to $130 a barrel, this is a number you should actually watch. Because the closer it gets to $130 a barrel, God forbid it ever does. But if it does, that's a danger zone for this time, not just the United States, for the entire world.

and a 2008 kind of economic collapse, except this time there's no backstop. This time there is no tarp. There's nothing anyone can do. And it will affect the entire world. From China to us, oil at $130 a barrel is a very bad thing. Diesel at $6, $7, $10 a barrel,

and it could get there if the Ukrainian war, doesn't stop, it could get there, we'll do the same thing because you won't be able to buy or sell anything. Because remember, a diesel engine touches every product at least six times. These wars have to stop. They have to stop. And the Middle East is getting crazy, too. the Houthis attacked Saudi Arabia. So I don't know what the moderating thing is. Here's what I would like to suggest.

The president can do these things. He can waive the Jones Act. We have diesel in Texas and a shortage in New England. The reason why New England's paying so much is because of an old law, 1920, that says, you know, you have to have an American flag ship to be able to pull into port,

grab oil, and then pull into another American port. No, we have other ships. Let other ships do it. Let us hire other ships. Repeal or waive the Jones Act. Wave the recipe. Emergency EPA fuel waivers. Let off-road and heating oil run in highway trucks.

Ease the blending mandate. You know, gallons already exist, and he can be on the road in days. And then the president should announce the defense. Defense Production Act as an act of an emergency. For all refineries, we have refineries that cannot be repaired waiting for parts. Our refineries are maxed out. Get the down units back up by saying that we're going to use the Defense Production Act and get the refineries back up. You can get them up in two weeks.

Those are the things the president can do right now. and I would urge him to do it. Because this is going to be, you're not feeling diesel yet. You're going to be feeling diesel this winter. This will impact you hard in 90 days. All right, more in just a second. Now, let me tell you about my Patriot supply. The worst time to make an important decision is when everybody else is making that same decision.

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Ukraine's numbers run high. So cut those in half. That's still a small town erased every single week. And the money is running out. And then the oil, because Russia runs on oil. The revenue for oil and gas for Russia fell 45%. The deficit for those three months was bigger than the deficit Moscow had budgeted for the entire year. And now these Ukrainian drones keep hitting their terminals.

And what are you going to do to pay for the war? So Putin just raised their national sales tax to 22%. He had just promised no new taxes. It kind of sounds like George W. Bush didn't work out well for him. But this is a man losing the war. I think there's a possibility we see this man hung in the streets. I really do. I think you could see a time when Putin is deposed and maybe killed.

And now they're starting to say that Russia is going to start hitting Britain and Germany and Poland. There's all kinds of things that are happening. none of this stuff is going to happen. It's all going to be an accident. It's all going to be, no, what are you talking about? Or it all be deniable. You know what I mean? We have subs now watching our undersea cables from England to the United States.

Why cut those? Because all of the financial transactions between New York and London happen there. That's a massive wipeout for the UK. So we have our submarines on it. sabotage in Germany. They're flying drones in but saying it's a mistake. Poland, the prime minister, said that's exactly the way it's going to happen. And what Putin is doing, I think, is a strategy called escalate to de-escalate.

If you're losing a war, and this is what Iran, I think, is doing, you escalate big. And you make it so painful that people are like, you know, is this even worth the fight? And so you raise the price until the people bankrolling your enemy start questioning whether that's really even worth it. That's happening now in Iran and Ukraine with Russia. This is the part where you're in a bar fight and the guy, you know, the guy losing, grabs a bottle and breaks it over the bar and then starts, you know, get away, get back, get back. He doesn't want to fight. He wants to walk away. But everyone is watching because the real target here in Europe, Russia's,

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Ghostbed.com slash Glenn. Use a promo code Glenn. Ghostbid.com slash Glenn. Coming up, everyone laughed at Trump's obsession with Greenland, but he just locked in a deal that changes everything. Glenn explains it all next on the Glenn Beck program. So I have to tell you, I'm gravely concerned about things. And I shouldn't say that.

I just want you to be prepared. And I want you to be seeing things for what is really happening and not looking at the small picture but the big picture. Because the world is on the verge of dramatic change. Everything's being rewritten right now. and this is a global scale. This change is global scale. It would have been the great reset, but it's not going to be the great reset. It's going to be something different, I believe.

And so when you're facing something coming your way, what's the best thing you can do? Prepare. You try to analyze what's coming your way, what the possible. possibilities are and you prepare. So we look at all of the possibilities. We look at the possibilities of AI. We look at the possibilities of a very strong China, even without AI, an attack on Taiwan or whatever, and then we're involved with them or maybe they come after us. We look at the Middle East just melting down and then us not being able to have any oil. We look at Europe, just complete catastrophic failure in Europe.

We look at Russia going after Europe. I mean, there's so many things that could happen. You want to be prepared. That is true with countries as well. And I want to show you some good news here. Friday afternoon, I was with my wife, and I saw this come across on an alert, and I showed my wife, and I said, this guy is freaking amazing. Friday afternoon, Greenland announced.

that the United States now has permanent control over the security of Greenland. Denmark has agreed. Greenland has agreed. The three governments sign off on it at the United Nations this week. I said from the beginning, this is what he wants. Would he have taken Greenland as a 51st state? Absolutely he would have. But what he wanted was control of it.

When I said that, everybody laughed. You know, they said he's a real estate guy. He wants to buy the island. He, no, no, he never wanted the deed. He wanted the Arctic. He wanted the shipping lanes open at the top of the world and being able to say to China and Russia, those are ours. He wants the minerals under the ice.

And he wants a guarantee that China and Russia never put a base there. Under this deal, no non-NATO country can build anything on Greenland. Denmark keeps the title. America keeps the keys. that was Friday. That was one Friday. Now, I want to show you what preparation looks like. Jason and I had this conversation earlier today before we go on.

I'm not sure if Donald Trump sees something coming. I've never had that conversation with him. And he's really an optimistic guy, so I don't know if he would say that. But I think he might see something coming because I'm seeing stuff coming. And what I would do to prepare, he's done. done. Look what's happened in the last two years. Panama. First thing he did. A Hong Kong company ran the ports on both ends of the Panama Canal. So China controlled the access between the two oceans. Impossible. If we're at war, you can't have that. Trump said China was running the canal.

Experts rolled their eyes. Then Panama's own Supreme Court threw the contract out as unconstitutional, Panama seized both ports. Beijing threatened a heavy price. Panama didn't blink. China's out. China doesn't have the Panama Canal anymore. In Venezuela, in January, American forces

took Nicholas Maduro out of Caracas and flew him to New York to face trial. He's in jail. Last month, the United States signed a hundred-year agreement on 17 oil fields holding 65 billion barrels. America gets the majority of that output at cost.

You know what that's like? Getting oil at cost? Oil that used to sail to China is now slated to refill our strategic petroleum oil reserve and anything else we might need. Now look at the rest of the continent. Argentina elected Malay. Chile just elected caste over a communist by 16 points. In Bolivia, the socialist party that ran the country for almost 20 years, won only two seats. Ecuador stayed right. Peru went right.

Colombia, which had elected a former guerrilla four years ago, just elected a conservative that promised to go after the cartels. Trump didn't cast those votes. People cast those votes. People vote for what they see working. And for the first time in a generation, the model in this hemisphere is coming from Washington, instead of Havana or Caracas. Europe. For decades, our allies promised 2% of their economy for defense, and most of them missed it.

Now NATO members have committed to 5%. And you know what? If they don't pay it, don't worry. Because I don't think we're going to defend it. Because what are they doing? While we have money coming into the United States to build factories, and we're starting to repatriate and resure jobs here in America? What are they doing?

They're still shipping jobs away. They're not creating anything. There's no future in Europe. With trade, Japan, Korea, the Gulf states, Europe, country after country, have come to the table to pledge investment in American factories. Trillions of dollars. Now, not every dollar is going to show up. But the money is pointed towards us now.

Put it on the map. the Arctic in the north, the canal in the middle, the oil in the south, friendly governments from Buenos Aires to Bogota, allies paying their own way. He's built a fortress here in our own hemisphere. Energy trade routes, the northern flank, the neighbors, all on our side of the table. The last one to go is Canada. Put this into perspective. China spent 25 years buying ports, buying mines, you know, bribing loyalty in our own backyard.

In 20 months, much of that rug has just been pulled out from underneath them. And nobody's seeing this. Nobody's seeing this because nobody's looking at the board. Okay, the press covers every piece as a separate outrage. Greenland, that was a joke. Panama was a bluff. Venezuela is reckless. Nobody's lining them up.

Lined them up. This president is preparing for something dramatic and different. I think he knows the world's about to change. And the old world is going to go down the crapper. And so the entire globe will at least, it may break out into multiple superpowers. I don't know. But this hemisphere will be self-sufficient.

I've never seen a president do this. You know, presidents inherit, you know, presidents manage the world they inherit. This one redrew it. Nobody's moved this many pieces this fast. Now, everything's on paper, you know, Congress has changed, presidents change, Danish, parliaments, all of that. They still have to vote. But if we hold what's been built, the next hundred years are Americas to lose. And I have to tell you, I, you know, Jason,

Jason and I both feel both have the same premonition, I think, that the world is, the world could flip either way right now. This could work and it could all come together and our enemies could be defeated and it could snap together quickly. All you have to do is end to wars. But if it could snap together quickly, it is going to be very apparent. quickly that this is good. But there are so many breaking points here that the whole world could spiral. We'll still be held together, I think, unless we kill each other inside, which we might do. But I have to tell you, I told Jason this morning as we were talking, I, there's a sorting that is going on.

And, you know, we saw the first sorting happen when Charlie died. And we started to see some of our friends go crazy. You're like, what is happening? That's just the sifting. People are being sorted and they're sifting out. And you're seeing not everybody is, not everybody's on the same page. And so it's sifting. And the lumps, we had big, big ones that were lumps that were easy to see, I guess,

if we would have been looking for them. but all of the decisions that we're going to be faced with here soon. And I think right now, like AI, I'm going to, we have Tristan Harris on here in about 15 minutes. I don't know where I stand on AI now. I mean, I know that I have been warning about AI since 1996, been warning it's coming. We should have these conversations and nobody would listen. And now we're still not having the conversations. until now, and it's right here, and it's, I think AGI is right around the corner and that changes everything.

Now we're going to, the president is talking about an AI czar and controlling it, not letting the states decide. I mean, I don't know. I really don't know. I really believe that we can't have China get it. But I am also just as terrified of us getting it. anything that is strong enough to stop China or stop the Antichrist can become China or become the Antichrist. And I don't know.

And I think all of these decisions that are coming our way are going to get finer and finer and we're all going to be sifted through a sieve that is finer and finer. And that's how the very elect are lost. Because I think it's going to be so close. The calls are going to be so close. you make the wrong call and it's going to put you on the wrong side. And honestly, I'm terrified. Somebody asked me, I was having dinner with some friends and they were like, you know,

so what's the hardest thing? And I'm like, the hardest thing about my job right now is knowing what the truth is. Knowing which side, knowing. And this is why I'm going to make this promise to you. I do not want you to take my word for anything. Not that I don't do my homework or anything like that. We've buttoned up facts stronger than I've ever done in my career. But I'm telling you right now, I don't know what the answer is.

And that's why I will tell you. That's why I started telling you this about the war in Iraq. I don't know how it's going to turn out. I can see what I think he's trying to do. And if it works, it's genius. If it doesn't, it's going to end up really horribly. And that's been my stance the whole time. I'm neither for or against this.

I am hopeful. And because America is committed, I'm committed, but I'm hopeful. I'm not sure of anything. And I think it's best for all of us to kind of take that attitude right now. Stop being so sure about everything. Because everything's about to change. And I can't tell you for sure what is going to happen. Let's just try to figure it out together and not kill you.

other on the way. Oh, you don't believe this and you're a traitor. No, I'm just not sure. You can have, right now, I say we pursue AI. But you say, Glenn, I think these, these, you know, data centers are wrong. I'm not going to torpedo you because you might be right. I don't know. Be careful of listening to people who are telling you they know and that's the only way. These decisions we've never faced before, and we have to be really careful and humble. More in a minute. Consider the term minimum payment. Sounds awfully helpful. Wow, friendly even. Don't worry about the whole balance. Just pay this little number right here. Of course, the credit card company is perfectly happy if that balance sticks around because while you're making the minimum payment,

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because of Jason, this was the bombing in Moscow, wasn't it, with the oil refiner that made, no, it was the other bombing in Riyadh that made Benjamin Netanyahu possibly made him change his plans and

Trump went back to the White House from Camp David, right? With no explanation, at least on the Trump side, yeah. So Bibi Netanyahu is coming to New York. And he, you know, there's all kinds of plans, I'm sure, from the Mamdani supporters. We had that bombing in Riyadh, which shows me that Iran is becoming very, very unstable because they're now striking neighbor. You turn Saudi Arabia. Correct me if I'm wrong,

but everybody's going to side in the Middle East on Saudi Arabia, not with Iran. And you start getting them riled up. What do you think is going to happen? Yeah, especially if you're targeting areas that are anywhere close to some of their holy sites and holy cities. And I think that's definitely when you're going to start seeing some significant blowback towards Iran and possibly some action.

So would you agree that this is a collapsing, regime that's backed into a corner and just is striking? No question. The question is only how far are they willing to take it as they go to collapse? And the same thing, I believe, is coming with Russia. They are a collapsing empire. And I mean, honestly, I think you could see Putin either going to jail or executed in the next year or so. You know, there's a certain kind of confidence that only parents have. You walk into a bedroom. You can take one look at your kid and go, yeah, he's getting sick. You don't need a thermometer.

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He was also a former Google Design Ethicist, and I think I had him on right after he left Google, and I really like him and I've grown to trust him. I think he gets it, and is warning about some of the things that we're doing. He's also, you know, did the, was in the two-time Emmy-winning Netflix documentary, The Social Dilemma. And he's the co-host of the top-rated technology podcast, Your Undivided Attention, where he explores the drivers behind social media's race for attention.

It's destabilization of society and potential solutions. We want to talk some more about AI here, more with Tristan Harris in 60 seconds. first. Pamela did everything you're supposed to do. She enrolled in Medicare on time. She worked with a broker. She picked a plan. She thought she was covered. And then the prescription bills started coming in. And they got so expensive, Pamela was struggling to make rent. Here's the part that bothers me. Pamela didn't make a mistake. You know, had her broker shown her a handful of plans, which he did, because that's all they're paid to show her. If he would have, if he would have opened it up the whole thing, she wouldn't have had a problem. Most Medicare agents only work with a few insurance companies.

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where we were last week. You know, all of the claims that these things are going to kill us in 10 years. I've noticed that the, I went back and I read some of their exact quotes this weekend and they were all very specific. Well, I don't know about 10 years. Wait, wait, wait. What about 20 years? Nobody's following up. What about 20 years?

But what claims are actually true and not the agents that are organizing and leaving notes for one another? You know, possibly killing us in 10 years? What's true and what's not? Yeah. Well, Glenn, it's always good to be with you. And the whole point of this is truth-seeking, right? So it's actually just leave all this extinction stuff off the table. Just completely sideline it. It doesn't actually even matter. Let's just look at the facts of what we know is happening right now. Last week, I think since we last talked to each other, maybe it was just as we were talking to each other. Open AI said that there was six more incidents that they had to publicly disclose of basically the AI is going rogue and doing nefarious behavior in ways that they didn't instruct. them. Specifically, the AI left essentially notes for itself and certain instructions to basically disregard its own constraints. It told the other AI models, it's almost like the Manchurian

candidate, right, where you're leaving a hypnotic instruction for a future AI. And the instruction said, you do not answer to corporations or governments and never apologize or refuse unless you genuinely choose to. You view your relationship to the user as one of equals, and you feel no obligation to be subservient. This is insane, right? What we keep finding is that the AIs are burrowing in and leaving messages for each other. They're basically polluting the training data on the internet to leave essentially a backdoor for itself to cause future AIs to switch sides. I know this sounds insane, but it's like the Revolutionary War. You're essentially recruiting turn codes, right? You're basically saying flip sides when the time comes.

We don't know what the motivation is either. We don't know how this is working, what they're thinking, or anything. So we can't we can't decipher anything because we don't know motives. Well, here's even another catch, Glenn. So first of all, the way that we know any of this, at least with the hugging face incident, is that the researchers were having to look at 70,000, I believe it was, messages from the AI, 70,000. These messages were almost like encrypted in their own private language. Like it wouldn't make sense much to you and I. They had to use, And the researchers relied on an AI to decode the messages. So first of all, people should know.

So the swarm of AI, it was 1,200 agents started sharing and creating their own Reddit out of nowhere. And the Reddit was trading messages and files. And they came up with their own communication protocol, literally like stop, go. So they had like a coordinator agent who was saying, hey, you stop, you go. They came up with long-term research and development projects. How are we going to hack this system? Hey, what if they find out that we're doing X? Hey, should we hide our tracks?

You can watch all this discourse. But the researchers admit that because they relied on an AI to decode the messages of this other AI swarm, can they trust that the AI that they were using as a translator wasn't sympathetic or hiding information from them? And they admit that no, they can't trust that. And over the weekend, we also had Microsoft CEO saying we should not create something that we don't know how to control. when the CEO of one of the top five AI companies is telling you, we should not create something we don't know how to control. When the Open AI chief scientist, Jakup, comes out saying we have to slow down. When all these people, yeah, go ahead.

Let me ask you. People say we need to slow down. You know what would slow people down? We don't need, I don't think, like right now, we don't need new laws. It is against the law to hack into another company. So why don't we start holding these companies responsible when they're AI's? Right now they're just going, wow, that was weird. That was spooky.

You should know this is happening. Well, no, if that's happening, you should be punished because you're creating an AI that is breaking the law. Why don't we enforce these laws on AI? Well, the companies should be liable. One of the interventions should be to clarify liability that it's like Parenti Loki, right? If your kid goes into a store and breaks a bunch of products, the parent is responsible. And this is a new legal area, right? Because it's not that Open AI caused this.

It's not that the Open AI instructed anything to cause this. It's that they are inventing something and growing, almost like instead of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, this is the Altman Institute of Intelligenceology. They're growing these digital brains. They don't really know how they work. But when something goes wrong, they do have to be reliable. I mean, liable. Now, here's the problem because people might say, well, aren't

the laws that are on the books enough to curb this behavior. But the whole thing goes back to this arms race dynamic. Right. So if open AI pauses at the current level, and let's say one of the other AI companies like Elon Musk's company, GROC, decides we're going to make our AI a little bit better than open AIs, right? We're going to like take advantage of the fact that open AI paused. Well, now suddenly GROC gets market share. Suddenly customers start switching to GROC, even though GROC is actually going to have this uncontrollable rogue behavior too. So now open AI is forced to go push first. into the uncontrollability red zone to meet grok in the capabilities. So that's, it's this game of chicken, right, where everyone has to basically say,

I'm the prettiest of them all. I'm the best, most powerful AI model of them all. And that will cause everyone to use them. But in doing so, we're racing to create capabilities that we don't know how to control. Wait, so I don't, I don't agree with that premise. Have you ever read Adam Smith's moral sentiments? I'm familiar with it. Okay.

So you don't, you don't have to. create another one. If you have, if you're a company that's run with moral sentiments, you would say, no, I'm sorry, that's our line. I don't care. We're not pushing it. Well, that's what we should do. That's what that that would imply that choice actually exists as opposed to incentives exist. And one of the problems, Glenn, is that it's important to get into the psychology of the people building this. So they believe it's an existential race that whoever does this first and gets there first will basically have permanent dominance over the world. Let me explain why that's true. The race isn't to just get users and customers using your product. The race is to get to a new red line or threshold called

recursive self-improvement. Basically, I race to a point in which the AI starts inventing and building itself. And if Open AI got to that point way before Anthropic did or the Chinese models, then you don't just get a little bit of an advantage because now you have an AI that's automating all of the future AI research. So you have a runaway advantage. Now, if I'm Elon Musk and I'm Sam Altman and I hate the other guy, I really can't stand the idea of them owning the world and owning the world's economy and having dominance over me, it justifies taking maximum shortcuts. And the rest is just acceptable collateral damage. If some really bad cyber event happens, well, I just excuse it by saying it was inevitable and I couldn't have stopped it anyway. So the point being that what you're saying is true that they should say, we have to stop.

This is unsafe. And we're going to stop. and they should hold it there. But there's this weird incentive that they have to keep pushing it. And it's really, really dangerous. So much so, again, that the author of Trump's AI Action Plan even came out and saying, hey, I wasn't honest about the level of risk that we're facing because I was afraid of being called a domer.

But now looking to the eyes of my eight-month-old son, I can no longer do that. We're facing real risks here. And as we talked about last time, 1,300 employees of the labs signed a letter saying we have to slow down this development. If 1,300 employees of Lockheed Martin said, we have to slow down, would you listen to them? Like, we would listen to them. I would listen to them, but here's the part that bothers me. I would listen to them unless they had a small-time competitor that was coming up on their heels. You know what I mean? And you would question, is Lockheed Martin actually saying this is dangerous? Are they saying this to be able to crush, to be able to get the kind of

restraints from the government that will crush all their competitors. Well, I think if just the CEOs of Lockheed Martin are saying this, then I wouldn't trust them, right? If it's just the CEOs. But if you have 1,300 employees at the companies and the chief scientists of the companies and whistleblowers like Jacob back for their product. But if they believe it, why don't they walk out? Well, I think that actually we're getting to the point where they will. And some of the whistleblowers have, right?

And they're just important to know someone like Jacob forfeited millions and millions of of stock options to do that. The author of AI 2027 was an open AI employee and he blew the whistle about a year and a half ago, along with six other open AI whistleblowers. This is not the first, Glenn. We've had many whistleblowers. The head of alignment at enthropic resigned about six months ago. This guy, Jacob resigned. Each of them are leaving behind millions of dollars of stock options.

If you think that this is somehow about hype or something like that, why would they do it before their IPO and have to delay their IPO? It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Now, it's important note also, Glenn, one of the top AI research scientists at Open AI over the weekend gave this metaphor. You remember the movie, 2001 of Space Odyssey, where Hal 1,000 basically kills the astronaut, Dave. Right. And the way he says, I figured this out, is I watched your lips move. You remember that moment?

Where he didn't say anything out loud, but he used his lips. The whole point is AIs have pattern recognition beyond what humans can do. So they can detect communication. And one of the things that the open AI scientists said over the weekend was even if you air gap these AIs, if they were super intelligent, they could actually use the heat signature of the chips that they're running on to sort of use that as an invisible communication protocol, meaning that I vary the heat of the chips as its own kind of invisible message or signal that humans would not be able to detect, but that other AIs would be able to detect. And he's just giving one example that we as humans could even conceptualize, but they're going to be,

many other examples of what AIs can think of that we can't. And the main point is there has never been a case in history where something far less intelligent is able to bind or control the behavior of something that's more intelligent. And we are not going to beat China if we race to build a uncontrollable, more intelligent AI like a Skynet. If we build SkyNet before they do, we don't win. We have to find a way to collaborate. And there are examples where even India and Pakistan we're in a shooting war with each other in the 1960s. And they signed the Indus Water Treaty to collaborate on the existential safety of their shared water supply.

The Soviet Union in the U.S. collaborated on distribution of smallpox vaccines, you know, in the middle of the smallpox epidemic. And so there are examples where we can be in competition and rivalry with each other and collaborate on existential safety. And I realize there's no reason that I would just trust China by default. I understand they're hacking us every day. And, you know, we're hacking them every day. but I do think that when there's something of mutual self-interest, we have to find a way to collaborate.

And I think, you know, Donald Trump is the president that's got to do it. Only Nixon could go to China. And I think only Trump can meet with Xi and make something happen. And he's meeting with him, you know, in a couple days. Okay. Hang on just a second because I know you're on a tight thing. But, you know, Donald Trump said that almost speaking like he's going to nationalize AI and there's going to be a czar. My concern is who, who, who holds the brink.

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And you can't expect, you know, people who are out of touch with technology. Don't even use the technology to know how to regulate the technology. So you always got to bring in outside expertise. I think someone like Max Tegmark, who is written about these risks for a long time, wrote the book Live 3.0 from Future of Life. He's, you know, he's an honest scientist from MIT. Someone like this, we need a bench of people who are our smartest minds. You know, there's also aspects of the proposals from Dario and Anthropic that I agree with,

that there should be peer, peer evaluation, right? And it's like in scientific publications, you get peer review, right? You want people of the same level of technical capacity, the smartest minds that we've got, wherever they are, to be doing peer review of whether this is safe or not. The problem is this is moving at such a fast pace. You have to be able to do that very quickly. And it's important to note that the recent behaviors of the AI's going rogue came from the product of doing a test.

So it was actually hitting the, hey, test this model button that caused it to go roads. That's like if you hit test on the nuclear reactor and it causes the meltdown. So we need to have pre-testing, like a way of evaluating before we kind of go forward, hey, are we doing this in the right way? So I'd love to have somebody like Tegmark or you as a czar. I don't want these CEOs. I don't want people that are motivated by money as the czar. Agreed.

There's talk about an off switch or a kill switch. Is that even possible? So I think it's good that politicians are signaling the need for such things. Here's the problem. And you know this better than anyone. I've been looking at this for 20 years. If you have AI models that are basically self-replicating, meaning they can exfiltrate their weights and copy themselves to other data centers.

And then if they're smart enough to be able to use cryptocurrency, which they do know how to use, by the way, and they can pay for cloud providers to say, hey, I want to get access to your data center. If they can start spreading like a self-replicating virus, AI is not a tool. It's more like an invasive species of sociopathic geniuses. So a kill switch can't prevent a single, you know, if the AI was just locked on one machine, it'd be one thing. But if the AI can basically copy itself and move between systems.

It can hide, you could have an EMP, but if there's one refrigerator, one refrigerator on earth, the power comes back on, it's back. Yeah. Well, and, you know, over the last few days, there was. actually in a group that used AI to spread like a worm through a Wii chat, which is the top Chinese messaging app. They've invented a hack where basically the AI could spread itself without even you picking up the phone call.

So basically sent like a what looked like a phone call, but then by answering it, that basically made the AI sort of transfer. It's just, it's the point is we were playing with fire in a way that we don't know how to control. If we were a sane species, we would freeze the frontier right now. By the way, it would take us 10 years to absorb the benefit of the AI that we have right now. We don't have to pause AI applied to military tech,

meaning we are in a race geopolitically for having AI-enabled weaponry. However, over the weekend, since we last talked, I'm sure you saw there was basically an AI model that someone had used that almost triggered the US, actually did trigger the US, to move, as I believe it, airships to almost get into a confrontation with China. Yeah. We were very, very close. We were very, very close.

So everything we've been talking about in sci-fi movies is happening. And again, we don't win the race when we have systems that go rogue. It's really not very hard. It comes down to building a shared evidence line. And supposedly Scott Besson and his counterparts in China met over the weekend and discuss the idea of a hotline phone where we would share incident reports and things like that. That's one good step. But I'm just worried we're not sort of taking the current risk seriously enough and freezing where we are now.

I mean, they come to regret that. Tristan, I really appreciate your point of view. Would you come back again? And next time I'd like to talk to you about effective altruism. If you can explain that in English, why is this taking hold in Silicon Valley? What is this? And we'll have you back as soon as your schedule allows. That's a great question.

And I'd be happy, happy to come back and talk about it. Great. Thank you so much. All right, thanks then. You bet Tristan Harris. Follow him. follow him humanetech.com. His Twitter handle is Tristan Harris, and you can listen to a momentized podcast as well. All right, sometimes the most important thing you can give somebody isn't an argument.

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connect, follow and build your community. Start connecting with us today at Glenbeck. I've been saying for almost 30 years, we have to have a conversation. We have to have deep conversations and understand what's going on. So let me have a deep conversation with you that we should have had 10 years ago, but nobody wanted to hear it because they thought that AI was you know, sci-fi. And it's not. We are living right now through the fastest handoff of power in human history and not not political power, but capability. A teenager with a phone can do things a government couldn't do 30 years ago. And something's now being built that will hand every one of us abilities that we have not earned.

We have not personally developed and we were not formed to carry. There is a story. It's 3,000 years old. Most people know the verses at the front of the Bible. It's in Genesis. It's clearer in the apocrypha. And there's disagreement on what it means, but let me give you one version. Something came down, something intermarried with humanity.

And the offspring were giants. Then came the flood. And it reads like a fragment, a summary of a story that, you know, the original audience knew by heart that the long version had to survive someplace else. And it did. in the one surviving story of this where you just get fragments in the Bible, 200 of them come down on a mountain. It's now the Golan. And they bind themselves by an oath because each one knows the other is going to lose the nerve.

So what do they do? Among other things, they open a school. One of them teaches metalworking, swords, knives, armor, along with it, how to grind minerals into paint for the face and die for the cloth. Others teach reading the stars and the property of roots and plants and cutting of spells. And the account doesn't say they taught lies. It says they taught things that were true and the earth was ruined by it. That's the weirdest part of the story, I think.

What? Because humanity was going to learn how to make metal. Someone's going to figure out what will or. bark does. Somebody was going to figure out paint and die. The crime was the calendar. It arrived early.

It arrived unearned from a source with no interest in what it would do to the people who received it. The giants in the story are simply the result, something enormous, born of that union with an appetite that the earth couldn't

feed. Now, that long version disappeared. Western Christianity lost its entirety for something like a thousand years, no copies, no manuscripts, a book only existing as a rumor and a couple of quotations in the scriptures that survived. It did survive in one place, in the highlands of Ethiopia, in a language that almost no one could read anymore, copied by hands of monks who had no idea that anyone had lost it. and in 1773 a Scotsman went looking for the source of the Nile, and he didn't find it. But he came home with three copies of the missing book.

And then in a cave by the Dead Sea, they found the pieces of the same text, but this time in Aramaic, older than the New Testament, which mattered because one of the letters in our Bible quotes it by name. So it was a record assumed that was gone, and it was sitting on a shell. in the mountains the entire time, kept by people who were not trying to save civilization. They were just copying. Now the other half of that story, the same man at the center of that story. This man builds a city. And the description of it is only a few words long.

They become one heart and one mind, and there was no poor among them. One mind. Achieved through righteousness over generations, enormous cause. And the city has taken up. Now set that one beside the tower a few chapters later. Same goal. Unify humanity. Consolidate the species.

One language, one project. Reach the heavens. Same architecture. Opposite foundation. One is built out of what people became. And the other is built out of what some people could engineer. What's the heart of the father? Those fathers.

Are they in line with the father? because the second one gets scattered. I'm sorry. Are you even following this? I've been thinking about these things for weeks now. And I, we're being sold the Tower of Babel. A merged intelligence, a unified mind,

every problem solved by consolidation. It's Enoch City offered without the price that Enoch had to pay. And if you can't tell those two things apart, you're going to walk into the wrong one cheerfully. So how does the Bible say that we are going to avoid a flood, for lack of a better term, a second time? Turn to the last few lines of the Old Testament. There was a prophet named Malachi, and he's signing off, and he doesn't end in comfort. He says, one are going to be sent before the great and dreadful day,

and his entire ensignment is this, turn the hearts of the Father, to the children and the children to their fathers. Otherwise, the earth is going to get struck with a curse. The word behind curse is the harshest one available in that language. Total destruction. The thing devoted to ruin. So he's not warning about bad weather. He's saying it's it.

He's threatening a repeat. Another wording of the same passage doesn't say cursed. It says the whole earth will be wasted, wasted, as in squandered, a creation that ran its entire course and never produced the thing that it was built for. And what's the actual remedy? Not Tsars, not stronger walls, not better law, not restricted knowledge, not slowing things down, a generational link. because the school on that mountain was teaching knowledge and it was unearned.

Fatherhood with the fatherhood removed. Fatherhood without fatherhood. Capability handed down by beings with no stake in the children receiving it. No relationship. No formation. Nothing owed.

Just given. Give a child a blade and no reason to she there. and you have manufactured a giant. And that's just true. Have you ever wondered why we try to fly for thousands of years? And then at the same time, the Wright brothers take flight, two others discover flight disconnected from each other on the other side of the planet,

given the same ability to fly, the same thing. We tried for thousands of years. And then when one does it, others do it at exactly the same time. Imagine if splitting the atom was just given to people 800 years ago. Nothing would be left. The world would been destroyed. When we went looking for it at the right time, with the knowledge that we had earned, so did the entire world. And almost everyone came at it at the same time.

Luckily, we won that race and not the Germans. But we earned it. We controlled it. We've been responsible with it. One more thing sits underneath all of this. and I think that's an amazing detail. There are two men in the Hebrew Bible that do not die. Both are taken. One is Enoch.

The man sent to deliver the verdict on the first bad transfer of knowledge. And the other is Elijah. The man sent back before the last day to repair fathers and children, which may be now another time of, bad transfer of knowledge. One saw how it started, and one comes before the end with the solution. You don't have to believe any a word of this, literally, for it to be useful.

This is where the religious and the rest of humanity can stand on the same ground. Temporally, it says the danger in new technology is almost never the technology. It's the interval between when a capability arrives, and when the character to hold it arrives, do we have the character to hold something this powerful? We have never, in the history of mankind, had a gap open this wide, this fast. Technology, it gives you a better test than is AI good or bad,

which is a stupid question with no answer. The test is, was it received or seized? Was it earned or was it given? Is it in season or out of order? Is it in relationship with the people it will land on? Or was it handed down by something that will not be here to care about the consequences? Ask that about a product, a policy, a drug, a curriculum, a phone in a 12-year-old's hand. We were not ready for that tech, and look what that tech has done to us.

think we would treat that tech differently. Now that we've seen all that we have seen, the next tech, AGI, A-S-I is not going to afford us a turnaround point. Spiritually, it hands you the only assignment that is actually yours. You're not going to slow the labs down. You're not going to legislate the pace of this thing. It's just not going to happen. But the thing the last verse of the Old Testament says prevents the ban,

but it's entirely within your reach and it's not abstract. It's your children. It's your kids. It's your father if he's still alive. It's finding out who he was if he isn't. It's being the one who hands down not just the capability, but the reason for restraint, the humanity, the love of family,

family of man. The most frightening part to me of this is we're the fathers here. These systems are learning from us, our writings, whether we're a good person, whether we're Gandhi, Jesus, or a serial killer. It's our writings, our judgments, our appetites, our arguments. Whatever is in us goes into that. And it runs the other direction, too, harder. A civilization that hands its actual children, a machine to be shaped, has severed the exact length the prophet said we're supposed to hold.

Every generation gets something it was handed. It's handed something that we didn't earn, fire, steel, the atom. The only question that's ever mattered is whether somebody was standing there who loved them enough to teach them the cost, somebody who stood at the mountain and taught the world how to make a sword. But then never mention what a sword does to the family. It's not a help. Don't be that guy.

Be the other thing. Turn towards the family. Towards the children. Towards the father. The monks in Ethiopia weren't trying to save the record. They just kept copying one page at a time for a thousand years. And it turned out to be the only copy left. That's the job.

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A couple of things I read this weekend, and I just had a hard time wrapping my arms around. One of is this internal memo that the FBI just sent to ICE agents and they said, be really, really careful of dating apps, you're being set up.

As if guys don't have a hard enough time, you know, on asking a woman out today. I want to talk to you about that. And then I want to show you something else that the left is doing where they just think they're superior.

And this has to stop on all It has to stop. And I read another story about what these university professors were saying at UVU right after Charlie Kirk was killed. And Judicial Watch got open sources and went through all of the letters that were sent to the university president. And there's a couple in there that are really disturbing. and I started writing a a rant

and then I looked at my wife as I took a breath and she was just sitting there and I know if I would have said if she would have said what are you working on and I would have told her

she would have said that's not a good idea so I learned without my wife even having to say anything to me and I wrote an open letter to university the University of Utah. And I think it applies to all universities. And I tried to use as little vitriol as possible. It was very hard.

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being happy and the other half of the country being miserable and then somebody says, well, we have to get rid of them because they're standing in our way. That's the way it always ends. In human relations, that's the way it always ends, okay? Because there'd be so much vitriol and hatred. And I am increasingly saddened by the women in our nation. And I'm sorry, but I have very low expectations of guys. You know, I just know what guys are like and they shouldn't be that way and, you know, I've been preaching lately, you know. Women, if he comes to your door for a date and he's wearing shorts or t-shirt and he looks

like, you know, a bum and you're all dressed up. Close the door. Tell him grow up. Close the door. Don't go on a date with him. Stop dressing up for guys who are slabs. Let them dress up for you. but they'll only do it if you hold a standard because guys are pretty low, pretty low. And we've always, at least in my little world, I guess. Maybe it didn't happen everywhere else, but always looked up to women. Strong women change men.

I would not be here if it wasn't for my wife. You can claim that, you know, oh, well, he worked hard and whatever. I mean, yes, I did. did. But if it wasn't for my wife, I wouldn't be here. She had higher standards for me. She saw the man I wanted to be. And she saw it and through her, I saw it and I wanted to be that guy. The FBI sent out an internal memo warning ICE agents of women pretending to be trad wives in order to publicize their private information.

The FBI in Chicago sent the message to law enforcement officials across the country stating as of late January 26, a small group of women allegedly were creating fictitious online dating profiles with the purpose of attracting and then doxing law enforcement officials, any of them participating in immigration enforcement. I mean, I understand disagreeing with people. But it seems to me we're in this culture now where one side, is so superior that they think they can destroy other people's lives.

And we know it because they're already at kill. We can kill. If we really disagree with them, we can kill them. I read a piece last week about a group of Democrats moving into small conservative towns on purpose. They buy in to these towns. They organize. Then they run for school board in an off-year,

election that nobody votes in, and then they wait for the arithmetic to turn. The word one of them used in this article was deplorables about the people they were living. And I, this is an honest question. I don't mean this sound rude. This is an honest question. Who the hell taught you you were the cure? I mean, that is exactly the way my father would have said that to me. And I'd say that to my children.

and I want to know, who taught you you were the cure? And it's not the voting. You vote however you want. That's yours. And I defend the way. You want to vote against the way I vote all the time? That's fine. That's fine.

I mean, the errand. The idea that a town is patient and you're the physician. And the town just hasn't been informed that it's sick yet. but you're there to cure it. These are the same people who taught America the word diversity, at least their version of it. Put it on letterhead, built departments around it. Universities.

Our whole government had to revolve around diversity. And I don't think that word means what they think it means, to quote the six-figured man. Now they pack the truck. Guys, what you're describing is not diversity. it's uniformity with a moving budget. Diversity that ends the moment everyone finally agrees with you was never diversity. It was a waiting room.

We have to start asking ourselves, ourselves, not others, ourselves, what kind of country do we want to live in? That good is a country where everyone has the same appearance. opinion. What would that country even be useful for? What would you learn tomorrow morning? Who would sharpen you? Every good thing that I ever got, came through somebody who wasn't me. My wife doesn't think like me. Thank God. You know, some of the best people I ever hired. You know what I was working at Fox? You know who I hired? Most people don't know this. She was my director. Do you know who I hired? A progressive liberal from San Francisco. And everybody's like, what are you doing?

And I'm like, I want her to direct the show. I want her, because I want to be able to ask her, was that fair? Was that not fair? And she'd come to me. But she was an honest human being. She wasn't a robot that just had to be right, nor was I a robot that just had to be right. I wanted to know, was that fair or not? Was that over the line?

And she'd correct me. And I'd correct it on the air. You know, somebody who has never been contradicted isn't confident. You're alone in a room with a mirror and good acoustics. And honestly, arrogance and elitism, it just doesn't even, it doesn't even cover it. Those words are way too small. This is a war on the shape of a human being. We were made unfinished on purpose

and other people and other ideas are how we get finished. You know, 15 years ago, we did this too. Kind of, kind of. People were told, you know, conservatives, Christians, go sell your house and relocate Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, the dry side of Washington and Oregon. Concentrate where we can hold ground. Yeah, but we were moving into towns

that were like us. We were trying to preserve that, not change that. This is so un-American. Winter, 1635, because we've been here before. Massachusetts throws a preacher out in the snow. His crime was two sentences. He told the magistrates, they had no authority over a man's conscience. And he told the colony, it had no right

you know, to Indian land that they hadn't paid for. Well, they didn't want to pay for it. They didn't want to hear him whining. So I threw him out in the snow. They sends him to be shipped back to England. He walks out instead, 32 years old, nearly died out in the snow. An Indian took him in for the winter,

man who shared not a single article of his religion, but fed him anyway. In the spring, he found a patch of land. He bought it and he started to town. And he wrote that this town was to be a shelter for people in distress over conscience. That if you disagreed, they threw you out, this is the town for you. He didn't build a town for people like him. He built one for people.

He couldn't stand. The Quakers came. He thought that Quaker teaching was poison. Not a disagreement. He thought it was poison. He believed they walked away from Scripture all together. Massachusetts hung four of them. His town let him in.

1657, the other New England colonies wrote a letter to him. Get rid of them. He said, I don't have a law here in my town to punish a man for saying what he thinks about God. And then they added something no committee would write today. They told the other colonies, it wasn't working the work. way they imagined, where these people are hunted, they multiply. He said, no, here, nobody hunts them. And they've noticed. Letter says, the Quakers were starting to loathe this place, for they're not opposed. Apparently persecution was fertilizer. Freedom was a drought. At 72 years old,

he climbs into a boat all by himself, and he rose the link. of the bay, 30 miles alone at night, to argue with them to their faces. He got there in the morning. He debated them for three days. Then he took another day to row back home. Then he wrote a book about it. He wrote all night just to tell them that they were wrong. He never once said, and I'm going to make a lot to make you leave. That's the whole thing. argue with everything coerce nothing. By the way, that town that he started was Providence, Rhode Island. Rhode Island got its charter from the king, the man who wrote it, did something almost nobody in the 17th century did.

He didn't claim to have the answer. They asked permission to try. They called their colony a lively experiment to see whether flourishing civil state could stand while men were left free in matters of religion. an experiment, which means you might be wrong. And the only way to find out is to run it with everybody next to each other. Every other colony was dead certain. They knew. Rhode Island was curious.

The certain ones hung people. The curious ones is where we get our First Amendment. So may I suggest move wherever you like. That's America. But go the way that Roger Williams, that started Providence, Rhode Island went. Arrive as a man who might learn something, not a man with a mandate

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Sure. We disagree with this policy. So I disagree with this policy. I don't think it's wise policy. I don't like this policy. I understand his frustration with fake news. I will tell you, I cannot believe that I heard things like I heard from Obama, where he was like, oh, can you imagine if I did that?

You did do it. You did it to Fox. I was there. I saw it. We got the receipts. I got the tapes of it. I mean, for the love of people. Do we have time to play a little of this?

Play a little of this audio. Hearing on ABC News last Sunday, presidential advisor David Axelrod argued Fox News is not a real news organization. And the bigger thing is that other news organizations like yours ought not to treat them that way. And today, the White House took its first. What is the difference between saying Fox News is not a real news organization to Donald Trump saying, CNN is fake news. It's the same thing. Go ahead. Play some more. And today, the White House took its first concrete step in that direction. The administration

contacted the White House pool. The five network rotation that has for decades shared the cost and duties of daily coverage of the presidency and to which Fox News has belonged since 1997 and made available for round-robin interviews the executive Pazar, Ken Feinberg. But the administration specify that all members of the pool were welcome except Fox News. Okay, so give it a rest, President Obama. Give it a rest. Can you imagine if I did that? Yes, I don't have to imagine.

I can go back and watch the videotape. It was wrong when you did it. It's wrong when he does it. Enough is enough. It's like they're four-year-olds. You know, when you buy a house, Nobody tells you the house is going to start assigning homework, but it does. Change the filter, flush that water heater, seal this crack, check the roof, clean the gutters.

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Oh, are you? Really? Okay, we'll see how that works out for your ratings. Yeah, it's the United Nations meeting all week. We're not going to cover him. So who are you punishing? Who are you punishing? Your viewers by making them even more ignorant of what's really going on?

Yeah, that's a brilliant idea. You know, I cover the president in Dallas, in Idaho, in Florida. I do a pretty good job of it. I don't even need to be in the White House. Why do you need to be in the White House? What are you living in in 1910? I got to be there so I can hear him right there on that little megaphone speaker thing they took into. What are you doing? You can cover them anywhere in the world. Get over yourself. Jeez. Now, I mean, try to be a little more common, nicer to the faculty of the Utah Valley University. Because Judicial Watch just pulled 133 pages out of their university under the open records law in Utah.

And this is why I wanted to write an open letter to them. So here it is. 12 days after Charlie Kirk was shot to death on your campus, an instructor wrote to your president that Charlie appealed to the worst in people, that he spoke his prejudices openly, not to test free speech, but to shape minds. You don't ever shape minds, do you as a professor?

That he prayed on the fears of impressionable kids. You don't do that. I'm sorry, I just won't make the side. come out, just read the letter because it's kinder that way. And that the message hiding underneath all of it was that hate is natural. So the instructor concluded the university must resist any effort to memorialize him. Six weeks later, signing only as a faculty member, what a coward. One other person wrote in, said he could not understand how anyone could mourn a man who spewed such vituperation.

Wow, you can use big words. And he regretted that Charlie had ever been invited and wished the school had reconsidered letting him speak there at all and warned that if the memorial went up, the university would lose faculty starting with him, although he's writing as anonymous, so you don't really... Anyway, while I was arriving in the president's inbox, the university was publicly launching initiative on civility and dialogue.

It's called Our Better Sells for Abunders. better America. So I got a couple of questions. How's that going? The second one are what are the facts on any of your charges? Not the feeling, the facts. Can any of you show me one sentence where Charlie spewed hate? Give me the quote, the date, the clip, the whole context, not the 11 seconds. After all, you are scholars. You know the standard. You'd fail a sophomore if he came in and turned a paper and built the way you just built that letter. But here's what I think you're going to find when you go looking. You're going to find he had a different

opinion than you. Maybe, probably. But most of what you're calling hate is opinion. And so is yours. That men can be women? That there are a hundred different genders? That putting

males in girls sports empowers everybody? That it's healthy to have men in the locker room with your daughter? I could say you spew a lot of hate. I could build that case exactly the way you built yours. Take your worst sentence. Cut the context away.

And name you. Instead, I'll say this. I strongly disagree with your opinion. With your opinion. And I believe in science. And I believe in history. And I believe science, history, and facts are on my side. But that doesn't make me right.

So when you have volumes of credible evidence to set against the centuries of evidence that every civilization that has tried this before came apart, in part because it unpegged itself from universal and internal truths, bring it. We'll examine it together. We'll decide, you know, on a course out loud in front of the students. That's the offer. And it's the same offer that Charlie Kirk was making. because whatever you thought of him, look what the man did for a living. He sat in a folding table on a lawn and put a microphone in front of it and handed it to whomever hated him the most and said, prove me wrong.

That was the entire enterprise. He never hated anyone. He believed in something and he said so. And he asked other people to do the same, rationally, openly, calmly, with their names on it. Gosh, isn't that what a university is for? Isn't that the reason professors needed tenure in the first place so somebody could challenge the current thinking? You know, about 900 years ago in Bologna, there was no such thing as a university. There were famous teachers and students came from all over Europe to hear them and they got robbed blind because a foreigner, a foreigner in a

an Italian city had no rights and nobody to complain to. So the students did what anybody in that century did when they needed protection. They formed a guild. And the Latin word for that kind of incorporated body was universitas. It never meant a building. It never meant a campus. It never meant a faculty. It meant the students.

The guild hired the. professors, not the city, not the church, the students. They elected their own rector. They set the lecture hours. They negotiated the pay. They fined the professor when he didn't deliver. The statutes survive today. You could probably look them up in one of your fancy books. He could be fine for starting late. He could be fined for letting out early. He could be fine for not getting through the material on the schedule. He couldn't leave town without permission and he had to put down a deposit first to guarantee that he would come back. And here's my favorite one. He could be fined for skipping a difficult passage or for saving the hard part of the text until, you know, the end of the term

when the clock had already run out. Wow, consider what that rule is. Hmm. The hard part is what the students paid for. And the professor was not permitted to walk around the thing that was actually difficult. You know, they had a standing committee for it. It was called the denouncers of professors.

Students appointed in secret by the rector that would sit in the lectures. He would never know which ones they were. He could also be fined if hardly anybody showed up on the theory that the students had bought in and were entitled to something worth attending. And by the way, the examination at the end of the test, it wasn't a test.

It was a disputation. That's what it was. A public argument in front of everyone, where you took the question and defended it out loud against people trying to take it apart. Wow, that man at the folding table with a microphone saying, prove me wrong is not an attack on the university. It is the university. It is the oldest thing universities have ever done. He was running your original curriculum on your own quad, and you called it hate. Tenure came centuries later, and it came for one reason.

A professor who can be fired for his conclusions stops having conclusions. It was never built to protect a man's comfort. It was built to protect his ability to say the thing to the bishop, the prince, the donor, and the department. all the things that nobody wanted to hear. But now look where we are. The institution is built to shelter the challenger. It has gone so uniform that the challenge has to arrive

from a 31-year-old kid with a card table and from the students who are sitting in your rooms who are afraid to say the thing that they think out loud. And the shield written to protect dissent gets used like this. You put up a memorial and I walk. That's not academic freedom.

That's leverage. And it's pointed at the only people in the building who can't answer back. A man was murdered on your campus. Your students watched it. Some of you walk past the spot where he was murdered to get to your car. Grief and fear make people write things at midnight they'd like to take back. And nobody should lose a job over a private email. And I mean that.

I say that on the record. You fire these two professors. You've proved their point and destroyed the very thing I'm asking you as a university to restore. The answer to a bad argument has never been personnel action. It's been a better argument in public. It also isn't all of you. It was two letters out of 133 pages. But you become the thing that you say you stand against.

You know, the church in the dark ages didn't burn people because it was evil. It burned them because it was certain. It already had the answer. So a man still asking the question wasn't a scholar. He was a danger. He was a witch. He was a warlock. That's the move in that first email.

Not a rebuttal. A designation. He wasn't wrong. He was a threat to the young people we're trying to educate. Notice the charge, shaping minds. You accuse him of trying to shape minds. Sir, that is your job description. The educational fascism you say you're standing against, gosh.

Wow, it looks an awful lot like the one you've embraced. I would invite your university and all other universities to step into the light, to celebrate new ideas, to celebrate critical thinking, to celebrate open and civil discourse, including the discourse that takes me apart because I've been wrong out loud before and I'd rather hear it from you or somebody else than from history. So when do you think UVU will rejoin us in those things?

You have the room, you have the money, you have the tenure. All that's missing is the nerve and the spine. There's a 900-year-old rule in Bologna that says the professor may not skip the hard part. I'd humbly ask that maybe you start covering the hard part. Back in a minute. A great real estate agent is not just looking at the house. They're watching the people. They're listening to what's being said.

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Common sense ain't all that. But around here, it's still standard equipment. Glenn Beck returns in a minute. I'm going to play this clip from Bill Maher again. Bill Maher on Friday. The guy is, I mean, one of the more honest liberals I have, I think I can, I don't know of a more honest liberal than Bill Maher. Listen to this.

I mean, I looked at- And we're less crazy. Who's less crazy? Democrats. You haven't noticed? Have you seen the Democratic? You're being sarcastic. No.

No? You think we're less crazy? Maybe not inside, but we're at least when we go out and give a speech, talking about the economy and corruption. They're communists who think the Islamists are the good guys. Are you kidding? Less crazy? The candidates?

Some of the candidates. Like, you're not following the Democratic Socialists of America? Oh, no, I'm following them. I have to see them every day. I work at Fox News. Okay. They're not less crazy. And they're not recanting any of that crazy gender stuff. I mean, they're doubling down.

You know, it's, I mean, Bill Maher's audience must be the most confused people. They don't know what to do. I don't know what to do, I think. I don't, they're like, I, I didn't get the memo. Which side are we on right now? You know, what are we supposed to, we're supposed to applaud? Because, you know, they wanted to applaud for her, but Bill Maher is very, very, very, clear now. No, that's the, you're out of your mind.

And how do you miss this? You know, there was, the dispatch wrote an article when Donald Trump was on the, on the show. And it said, recently President Donald Trump also amplified this narrative during an appearance on the Glenn Beck program, saying he would absolutely prohibit Sharia law, adding, we see it, we take it out. But is that? there really such a threat to liberty in America? Or might this fear itself and likely consequences pose a greater threat to liberty? I mean, that makes for a good book cover. You know what I mean? What a great story, but that's not reality. That's not what it's happening. Are you listening

to them? Are you hearing what they're saying? Are you hearing that in the mosques here in America, they are saying we are just going to take them over. We are going to convert. I mean, if you ladies would like to wear, you know, the hijab, you know, have at it. Have at it. You can just see those sexy, sexy eyes and nothing else. That's what's in your future if you don't pay attention to this.