The Glenn Beck Program - Why France's Riots are a WARNING for America | Guests: Ezra Levant & Tim Ballard | 7/3/23
Episode Date: July 3, 2023With Pride Month officially over, Glenn announces his wish for July to become humility month. Glenn and Stu go through the other deadly sins and pick which months fit those sins. Rebel News founder Ez...ra Levant joins Glenn to discuss the unrest that France is experiencing and why. Learn more at www.FranceonFire.com. Author of "Lincoln’s Battle with God" Stephen Mansfield joins to share the often-unheard faith struggles Abraham Lincoln had and how those struggles can inspire modern believers. Operation Underground Railroad founder Tim Ballard joins to discuss the upcoming movie "Sound of Freedom" and how it can be used as a weapon against child trafficking. Fireworks are an Independence Day staple, and Glenn shares the history of fireworks and how they became mandatory for every American celebration. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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I have to tell you, it was a very confusing weekend in the United Kingdom.
Could we just play Cut One here?
These are the climate activists laying down on the ground in front of the gay pride parade.
And so the client activists were spread out because they were spread out because they were.
were quote unquote dead because of the climate.
And the gay pride people couldn't get through.
And so they're screaming, you know, LGBTQ things.
And the others are screaming just stop oil.
And quite honestly, I thought it was great.
I thought it was great.
Intersectionality is what I think you would call that.
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So we are, here we are at the beginning of July, and I thought I would announce the theme
for the month, because I think we do that now.
We have themes.
You know, last month was Pride Month, and everybody was very prideful.
And I was sitting in church yesterday, and I was reading, and I was reading about pride.
and I don't think
they meant like the gay pride parade
but I don't know, maybe they did
but you know
the whole pride goeth
before the fall thing
not sure what that means
but I don't think it's any
it means anything good
and I was so I was reading the part
where you know God is like hey
don't be a prideful people don't be a
and I'm thinking hey pride
Pride month that that's
hmm
wow, that's kind of glad they don't mean it that way.
So I thought, you know, July is Independence Month, right?
I mean, it's the Declaration of Independence.
Tomorrow is the celebration of our independence as a nation.
And I'm pretty proud of our country, but I don't want to be prideful.
So I thought we should follow up pride.
month with humility month where we can all be humble. We're very proud of our country,
but we're humble because we know we've made mistakes too. So we can be proud yet humble.
And I just think it would be, I mean, they have a month of pride. We should have a month of humility.
And I just think that would be, I've already made the T-shirts. They're very nice. It's a red, white,
in blue rainbow.
So it's, uh, what?
Something tells me this is not going to take off, uh, like Pride Month.
What, what do you mean?
Well, no, they won't take off the T-shirts like they do in Pride Month.
It's a good.
I mean, you do think, maybe you've stopped and you pause for a moment and say,
should we name a month after one of the seven deadly sins?
I don't, I don't know.
No, you know, that's, yeah.
Yeah, I, and I think there's more than the one.
of the seven deadly in that month.
Yeah, because I was trying to think I think you could go through all the months and start naming them after the seven deadly sins.
But if you come to pride and you got to lust and you think you should probably, I mean, we're talking about what we're doing with our genitals all the time during Pride Month.
So lust month and Pride Month probably should both be June.
So I think if you combine them, you can call it thrust month.
We only have to have six months out of the year.
If you call it what?
Thrust month.
Instead of pride, instead of lust,
call it thrust month,
and you get both of them in there at the same time.
And it still strangely works.
Still.
It doesn't make you feel good about the world,
but it works.
It works really, really well.
No, it does work.
And that way maybe we could,
you know, we could still get envy month.
I like that one.
Yep.
Or gluttony.
Gluttony is November.
That's November.
Yep.
Yeah.
Glutney's got to be November.
I think for sure
February
could be envy month
because it doesn't have as many days as the others
and it's jealous of how many days
it could be it could be that
what are the other ones out there
Glenn I mean I'm no scholar
I don't know it's pride
envy
is it bad that I'm thinking of the Brad Pitt movie
to try to put this together I really should have
more institutional knowledge
I just know there was one of them that was killed
in the kitchen.
That's
and he was fat.
But I think we already have that one.
We got that one.
Wrath?
Yeah.
So, uh,
wrath is another.
Wrath.
Yep.
Wrath.
I don't know what wrath means.
Exactly.
How,
Stu,
you're acting very wrath.
I mean, what?
Rathful.
Anger, rage, hatred.
It's wrath month.
Mm-hmm.
Is what?
Anger, rage,
and hatred.
That's your wrath.
Wrath seems so biblical, though.
We're talking the seven deadly sins.
Can't we mainstream them a little bit?
Nobody is like, man, I woke up this morning on the wrong side of the bed and I am full
of wrath.
That's true.
That's true.
I will say.
And so I went out and I smote my neighbor.
I smote.
Smoted.
I smited.
I smote.
Agreed should be April because that's tax month.
That's when the government comes in.
takes all your money.
I like that.
So greed.
I like that.
I really, this is a good way to go.
What could possibly go wrong if we create a society that names all of its months after the seven deadly sins?
Is there anything?
I don't think there's a problem.
We could go wrong.
You won't give, but you will not give me humility month, will you?
I mean, look, I'm serious about it.
I am serious about it.
I think we should have humility month after Pride Month.
And because it is, that is the difference.
If in America we were humble, we would be grateful, and our problems would pretty much go away,
all we have to do is be humble and grateful, and things will really kind of work out.
We need to focus less on pride in all ways, and I don't mean just, you know, the LGBTQ2 plus IA pride.
I mean all pride.
and be humble.
I am declaring July
Humility Month.
I really like that
because I do think that we could
we could use a dose of that
in this country from time to time.
Maybe a little too much pride
over things you shouldn't have pride for,
not even speaking about whatever
you want to put your genitals this week.
But I mean, there's so many examples.
Right.
I mean, you could say, I mean,
I'm so proud of our military.
We're the strongest military.
we can kill people faster than ever before.
I don't know.
I mean, I have pride that our military, well, our military had honor, you know,
and was very professional and not political and all those.
I can be proud of the men and women who are serving in it.
But I don't, you know, I know, you know, I'm not sure that it should make us proud
when we see a fighter that just cost us, you know, $25 billion.
fly over our heads. Wow. I am proud.
Yeah, I mean, it's, I can see what you're saying there.
I mean, I was thinking more of just like the, the personal, everyone's so proud of themselves
and all the things that they do and they're always bragging about it online and, you know,
like I just, that whole world is just destructive.
I know.
It is.
Humility Month might go away to kill it, which would be good.
You know what might be good is if we, if we, if we,
If we elected Simon Cowell as president.
I don't know.
Because he could just every day, he would give a speech and be like, you know, you're really not all that.
Yeah.
I mean, you're not.
I mean, I know you guys think you're really good, but not really.
No, not really.
Nobody's keeping you down.
Somebody should tell you you suck because you're never going to make it.
You're not going to make it.
At least that would even it out a little bit.
I don't know.
That's the right message.
But I think we need a dose of that in our recipe, right?
You need a dash at the top of the Simon Cowell that would at least bring you back.
Because everybody's trying to tell you you're perfect all the time.
And you know what?
Right.
You're not. You're not.
You're not.
You know, unfortunately, you've seen you.
And I've seen you.
It's very revealing.
And it's not, it's just not nice.
And you don't look good.
And maybe every decision you make isn't perfect.
And maybe you're not the smartest.
And maybe every single opinion you hold could actually be informed by some factual,
again, a dash of fact at the top.
of that recipe might be
good to finish it.
You're going wrath.
I mean, I think you're in wrath territory.
You are.
I am in wrath month.
Hey, I want to talk to you also about something
on Fourth of July,
I'm taking the day off.
Okay.
I'm taking the day off to honor our nation.
And also to eat hot dogs and see fireworks and stuff.
But so tomorrow I'm taking the day off.
But on Wednesday,
day, I'm going to take you through the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I've been reading it the last few days. And it's some pretty good stuff, Stu. Pretty good stuff. We should read it from time to time. Really? Yeah. Wow. It's a little underrated right now. Yeah, it's a little underrated. You know, the average constitution lasts 17 years. And ours is what? At two, almost 250? I mean, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. We should read it. So we're going to spend some
time on that. Today I just, I want to spend some time on, on history. Then we're going to go to
France. We have Ezra Levant, who is in Paris right now and watching what's happening there.
It is insane what's going on there. Then we have great historian on to tell us about Abraham Lincoln.
Kind of the dark stuff of Abraham Lincoln. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. He may have.
have had hands big enough to play the piano quite well, but he never did, never took it up.
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about wanting to get rid of slavery. They didn't quote the paragraph. They just said it. And then
they came out and they said, and Congress voted against because they didn't want any mention of
slavery in that document at all. That is not true. And I am so sick and tired of
hearing the lies that, for instance, African Americans had nothing to do with our founding.
Let me just tell you the story of the Revolutionary War just by highlighting the Black Patriots.
So what happens first?
What is the first battle, really, for America's independence?
It's the Boston Massacre, the shot hurt around the world.
That happened in 1770.
Who was the first guy that was killed?
The first guy that is killed in the Boston Massacre.
This one everyone should know.
Maybe not.
Maybe they don't teach it anymore.
But Crispus Addix, he was the first of all.
He was the first man to lose his life in the cause of American independence.
So it begins with the fall of a black man.
I don't know the white guy who fell second.
The first guy was Christmas Addix.
Then you go forward a little bit, and it's 1775, and we all know about Paul Revere.
Paul Revere, William Dawes, they went towards Lexington from Boston on April 18th, 1775.
But did you know about Wentworth Cheswell?
he headed north doing exactly the same things he was friends with uh paul revere and he headed north saying
the british is coming the british is coming this guy is amazing his uh he was born on april 11 1746 but his grandfather
was the first cheswell in new england and he was an enslaved laborer
in New Hampshire.
He bought his own freedom,
and then in 1770,
he purchased 20 acres of land,
and it became part of the town of Newmarket.
He was the first known black landowner in New Hampshire.
He marries a woman,
and together they have one child named Hope Still Cheswell.
He becomes a successful house builder and carpenter.
he helps build the Bell Tavern in Portsmouth.
He builds the home for John Paul Jones, the Samuel Langdon House, and he then takes his money from his earnings, and he buys over a hundred acres, which he farmed.
He also was the part owner of a sawmill.
So then he gets married and has a kid, and that kid is Wentworth Cheswell.
he goes to school. Remember, he's a black man. He goes to school. He's well educated because his father owns land and has a lot of money. So he sends him to a really good school. He graduates. He purchases his first plot of land from his dad. Then he acquires another 30 acres of land. He owns a pew in the church. And he married.
his longtime girlfriend, and they had 13 children.
By 1770, his estate had grown to 114 acres.
Now 1768, he's 22.
And at 22, he was elected as the town constable,
first known black man to hold public office in the Americas.
And he was the Justice of the Peace.
He was the auditor, selectman, the notary, the assessor, the coroner, the town moderator,
and he also was the guy to deliver messages by ringing the bell at night and doing exactly what Paul Revere did.
So he's the guy who rides for Paul Revere.
Also, he's so well respected, many people call him a black founder.
I categorize people who actually signed or wrote the declaration as the founders,
but many people say he is a founder because he was so important.
In fact, Benjamin Franklin, as they were doing the declaration,
Cheswell was asked to write the new state constitution.
So you have him.
then you have the most important battle of the American Revolution, the Battle of Bunker Hill.
Peter Salem is there. He's a black man. He is a freed slave. He's fighting for America.
As everybody in the American troops were retreating because we were getting creamed.
The British are coming on top of us and they're about to knock our army out completely.
And Peter Salem stands up and he,
He realizes if I shoot the commander, it'll give us enough time to get away.
So all the white people are running.
He stands, fires a shot, and wounds and kills the commander.
They take a pause to study that for a second, and we escape to fight another day.
Oh, but wait, there's more.
We'll tell you more about it coming up.
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Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. I want to quote Teddy Roosevelt before we go to France.
Teddy Roosevelt said there is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.
When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I don't refer to naturalized Americans.
Some are the very best Americans I've ever known, and they were naturalized Americans.
Americans born abroad, but hyphenated American is not an American at all.
The one absolutely certain, intricate knot of German Americans, Irish Americans, English Americans, French Americans, Scandinavian Americans,
Italian Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy
with Europeans of that nationality than with other citizens of the American Republic.
There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American.
The only man who is a good American is the man who decides to become an American and nothing else.
I think he's absolutely right, and proof of that is what is happening in France this weekend.
Ezra Levant is in France.
Now, where are you, Ezra?
Hi, Glenn.
I'm standing in Marseille, which is one of the largest cities in France.
It's on the Mediterranean coast.
It's a beautiful city, incredibly picturesque.
But there are two Marseys.
There's the beautiful French part of Marseille that you would see in a postcard,
but just literally a few blocks away from the tourist center,
it is what I think could be fairly called a slum with many migrants, usually from a Muslim country,
particularly Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, but also Iraq, Turkey.
And it's very apart on those streets you don't hear any French being spoken.
The commerce is very different. It's a different industry.
And there's a real separation.
And I think that the shooting of this 17-year-old North African,
young man, Nahel is his name. The police
sort of, it was in a chase, the police stopped him
and they shot him. And it was shocking, and I have to say, I mean,
obviously we'll see what the facts are in the end, but I don't know if he needed to be
shot. He was a 17-year-old. I knew who he was. He was stopped already. That was the
spark, but that spark lit a lot of tinder that has been festering
for decades. And there's a real apartness. It's almost
apartheid, except for much of it is self-imposed. Here's a quick thing. I want to along the cafes.
There's a lot of cafes in the tourist spots here, Glenn, with out-of-towners and French people,
and there's men and women, and they're dressed, as you might expect, in a tropical place.
But you go a few blocks further into the Muslim neighborhoods. They still have cafes,
but you'll notice a difference. There's no women at them. It's just men.
And the odd women you do see is wearing an abaya from head to toe.
Now there's a law in France that you cannot cover the face with a veil.
They actually banned that.
But COVID-19 gave a lot of folks a workaround.
So you see Muslim in head to toe and then the COVID mask.
I asked a lot of these folks in my broken trench, I said,
how do you feel being a Muslim in France?
And the more assimilated one said, we love it.
we love France
we know there are races here and there
but it's not systematically racist
I would say is there racism back in Algeria
they said yes so there were some beautiful
answers that were very much on point with your quote
from Roosevelt but there were other
people who said trench don't respect us
French don't treat us equally
but then I said in your heart
are you a French person first
or an Algerian first
and most of them without hesitating
said Algerian
in fact a man and his young boy came up to me
They wanted to say a lot about Nile, the 17-year-old kid who was killed?
And I listened to them, and I said, who are you in your heart?
Are you an Algerian or are you a Frenchman?
And they were so proud to say Algerian.
And I was thinking, how can you be upset that the French don't welcome you fully as an equal Frenchman
when you yourself refused to give up where you were, except for to come here?
I said, if France is so racist, I said to some of them, why did you come here?
And so I think both sides have some reconciling to do because you have a de facto apartheid.
But here's the thing, how that's going to end.
Demographics.
I mean, France has a declining birth rate for the ethnic French, whereas not only through continued mass immigration, but just through birthright,
the city of Marseille will go the way the city of Malmo, Sweden is gone.
It will be beautiful still.
It'll still have the gorgeous sun and the port and the yachts and the cafes, but it'll be more like a Moroccan city than a French city.
The world is changing, and it's because I think France, and maybe America has something to say about this too, is welcoming in people who are not willing to say America is first in my heart.
You know, I agree with Teddy Roosevelt on immigrant Americans, naturalized Americans,
they're some of the best Americans out there.
And they're the ones who chose America, the guy I work with who is Scottish.
He loves Scotland.
And he came here and he was thinking about citizenship.
and when he went back to Scotland just recently, he said,
I saw Scotland for what it really is because I now have the perspective of living in Texas and in America.
And he said, I'm American.
I am not Scottish.
I'm American.
That renews all of us.
You know, that kind of guy comes in and he starts businesses and he starts to take advantage of the opportunities.
And that is the big difference.
I want immigrants here that are coming in and they want to be Americans.
I don't want an Italian coming in and saying,
I want an Italian community and we're going to have our own rules and our own ways here.
No.
Bring your culture with you, but become an American.
You know, Charles de Gaulle, the great French leader,
whose name literally means Frenchman.
He was considered arrogant
and he was considered many things,
and he was a
trans-first kind of person.
Remember, France had colonies in North Africa.
He was once asked,
can a foreigner become a Frenchman?
But in his blood,
can you become French?
Can you join this country
even if your bloodline is not French?
And he said,
yes.
he was a chauvinist. He was arrogant. He was transverse, but he said, yes, if you inculcate yourself,
if you breathe in the history, the culture, you must learn the language, learn the history,
learn the art. You can become a great Frenchman. And by the way, Emmanuel Macron, for all of his flaws,
says much the same thing. He gave a beautiful speech three years ago, right in the wake of a lot of the
Black Lives Matter riots in America, he gave a beautiful speech.
in France, swearing in some new French citizens
where he talked about their rights, but he went heavy on their
responsibility. You know those old French mottos?
Liberté, egalite, fraternity.
Emmanuel Macron said you must follow those. You must fight for liberty
for everyone. You must permanently struggle for liberty.
He told these immigrants. He said, you must follow fraternity.
You must be fraternal to your new French citizen colleagues.
He said, you must put the Republic first.
He said this now.
I do not like Emmanuel Macron at all, but it was bracing to see what he said.
Alas, his deeds don't live up to his words, and it is not happening.
And I fear for what's, you know, this is one of the most beautiful cities I've ever been in, Glenn.
But there is a shadow over it.
And there were 1,300 people arrested in riots two nights ago.
Average age was 17.
And that's the thing.
I look at the police.
And I don't believe in affirmative action.
But the police feel like they're an alien.
community. They have no ties
to the community. There are very few minorities
in the police. They don't speak
Arabic. They have no... And half
the time, they're just defending themselves or the
firemen. You know, they torture place.
The firemen go in. They attack the fire
trucks. The police have to go in
to escort the fire trucks out. It's almost
like, you know,
some of these dystopian movies like Blade Runner
or something where the police are this foreign,
hated, alien,
disconnected force. And they're going
to lose just from pure
demographics you know
there's the bodies and
Robert
I'm sorry to interrupt but that was
the that was the secret
of American police
in New York
the Irish guy
who had become an American
he was the guy who
patrolled his own neighborhood
the Italian guy he
patrolled his own neighborhood
and so they weren't
they weren't a foreign force the problem
with this is that
at least in New York, the
New Yorkers cannot afford
to live in most of those
neighborhoods. The police can't.
So they are a
foreign, you know, they're not part of
the community anymore. And
you can't have people who
swear allegiance first
to Algeria
being the cop for France.
Well, that's the thing. Does your oath mean something?
By the way, one of the answers I got was
I said, are you Algerian first or are you French first?
You said, Allah first, and I believe in the Uma.
And you know what, in some ways, that's like a Christian who would say, I put Jesus first.
And I respect that.
But as the Bible says, render under Caesar what's Caesar.
So yes, in your heart, your conscience, your morality, if you want to put Allah first, I get it.
Because if a Christian said, I put Jesus first, I would respect that.
I wouldn't say you're a bad American.
But in matters secular, in matters of civil law and order,
matters of police and learning the language, you have to put Caesar first, or in this case, put
the republic first.
And isn't that what an UMA means, the opposite of that? Doesn't an UMA in, kind of suggest a caliphate
kind of?
A global, yeah, a global government of sorts.
And, you know, by the way, he later ran up with a church.
and demanded. Yes, that's right. It's very different. So, listen, this is a beautiful city, but
terrible things are happening, and it's spreading to Belgium. It's spreading to Switzerland.
Why is that? It's an ethnic solidarity. And I think that massive, unabsorbed, unintegrated immigration,
in this case, from Islam, is going to be a problem no matter what. De Gaulle insisted on
absorption, assimilation, integration. He said, yes, you can become French.
I asked some of these guys, could you ever, I said Barack Obama became a black president.
Rishi Sunak is a South Asian prime minister of the UK.
I said, could you imagine a Muslim president of France?
And most of them said no.
And maybe that's a problem too.
If you can't imagine yourself having full access to the corridors of business and political and cultural life,
I guess you do get a wise yourself.
But it's a two-sided problem, Gwen.
I don't know. It's very sad. I came here not knowing what to expect, and I leave with a feeling of fatalism that between demographics, open border immigration and political correctness, all of these trends will get worse over time, not better. And I think that there's a whole new level of violence we saw this last week. Listen, there's always riots and trance. It's a national pastime. But this felt especially ethnic in its character.
Well, I will tell you, the Norwegian countries are facing the same.
I was just over in...
I love those French police cars.
They sound like toys.
But I was just over in England and Scotland and Ireland.
Ireland is almost entirely gone because of the rapid immigration without assimilation.
It is the world and Europe.
is completely changing and won't be the same in 20 years.
Thank you so much, Ezra.
Have a safe trip back to Canada.
We thank you for everything that you guys do up in Canada.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
You bet.
You bet.
All right.
That is Ezra Levant.
He is a host of the Ezra Levant show,
and he is Rebel News, the founder of Rebel News up in Canada.
Canada is another one that,
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He is a great, great writer.
He has written many books, the faith of Barack Obama.
He was also the faith of George W. Bush.
He's written biographies of Booker T. Washington, George Whitfield, Winston Churchill, Pope Benedict, Abraham Lincoln.
And he also wrote the book, Killing Jesus.
Weekly describes his book killing Jesus as masterful. I think it's genius. I haven't even read it,
but it's the same name as Bill O'Reilly's book, and I know Stephen's book has got to be better.
So it makes me happy. Stephen Mansfield, welcome to the program. How are you, sir?
Good morning, sir. How are you? And don't get me in trouble with Bill now.
I want to talk to you about several people that you have written about.
But let's start with seeing that we're, you know, on the doorstep of Fourth of July and Independence Day tomorrow.
Let's spend some time with Lincoln because Lincoln is a fascinating guy before he starts running for office.
He's kind of a dark dude.
He had a really tough childhood.
And then he goes kind of off the wagon a bit.
Lincoln was a very unusual character, and I think it's why he's one of the most beloved in our history.
And what people often don't know is that he suffered horrible depression growing up.
And this was largely due to the death that he endured in his life, as you allude to.
He lost his mother when he was nine.
He lost his sister when he was, when he was 19.
Famously, he lost the first love of his life, Anne Rutledge, when he was in his early 20s.
And then, of course, throughout his life, he would lose two sons and then have to endure all the over 700,000 deaths of the Civil War.
So friends said that he dripped melancholy while he walked.
They often had to stand suicide watch.
He missed his first wedding date because he was considering suicide.
So very dark figure, very sad beset by depression.
And this affected everything from his faith to his understanding of the Civil War.
So, yes, he's a very, very complicated character.
Now, is it true, Stephen, in your research, that Lincoln really, his father was a horrible guy and alcoholic and a Christian.
And Lincoln rejected Christianity at first when he first kind of goes out on his own because of what he thought a Christian was due to his father.
And he apparently, yeah, was not a moral character at first.
Lincoln.
Well, he was a kind of character.
The father was a kind of character that we are familiar with from literature and history,
very religious, very sentimentally, emotionally, emotionally religious, and yet brutal to his son.
Right.
One of the best stories I can tell to describe this is that when Lincoln was president,
he once spoke to a room full of ex-slaves.
and quite literally said that he knew what slavery was
because he had been used like a slave.
And he was referring to his first 20 years, 21 years of life
when he was under his father's dominion.
And, of course, the people in the room kind of looked ask at each other like,
well, Abraham Lincoln was never a slave,
but that's how he spoke of it
because that's how oppressed he felt himself to be.
And yes, you're right.
When he left his father's home at the age of 21,
he owed his father his labor before then.
He went and thoroughly rejected Christianity, read a lot of the rationalistic writers, pain, and others, fell in with a lot of religious skeptics in New Salem, and was actually carried a Bible around town just to argue with people about it.
So, yes, he was the village atheist for a lot of years.
And he also was very promiscuous, but freaked out because he thought he was going to get some venereal disease.
Is that true?
Exactly true. He was fought in a war called the Black Hawk War and he apparently had some time with prostitutes. And later, yes, worried that he had problems and maybe even his depression was related to various kinds of venereal diseases. So yes, very immoral. He never gave himself much to drink. He tried drink for a while and really lost control. But yes, immoral, atheist, angry, we know the type. And that's what Abraham Lincoln was for a good number of years.
and what was the turning point in his life?
The turning point probably came gradually as he began to know ministers who were better than the ones he had known in his early life,
began to, we all know that he became a state legislator and began to live in Springfield,
moving from a town called New Salem.
And when he got there, he fell in with Christians who were articulate, who were,
who were well-read. They weren't just the teary-eyed sentimentalists emotionally imbalanced,
kind of like his father was. And so he came among, you know, a simple way to say it is a better
class of Christians. The turning point really came when he met a Presbyterian minister
named James Smith. This is a little later in his life now. He was a congressman, his
father-in-law had died, and he was taking care of the estate.
He pulled a book down in his father-in-law's house
written by this Presbyterian minister, James Smith,
kind of a cross between Billy Graham and Daniel Boone.
But the man could really write,
and he made a lawyer's case for Christianity,
which, of course, Lincoln, as a lawyer, respected.
And that really began to turn things.
And then, of course, a progression began
that carried him all the way through the White House years.
So he did say, though,
I wasn't a Christian when I got married. I think he said. I wasn't a Christian when I lost my son,
but I became a Christian at Gettysburg. Do I have that right? That is a quote that is out there. It's hard to verify.
There's no question he had a deepening when he stood at Gettysburg. Scholars tend to discredit that quote. It's sort of the same thing.
of all famous men who spoke well, Churchill, others, did he say it or didn't?
Scholars tend to discredit that, but I don't think there's any question.
Lincoln had a profound experience when he looked out on the graves at Gettysburg,
and he alluded to it often to visitors at the White House.
But the thing that really deepened his faith, the things that really changed things
were the deaths of his boys.
Imagine that he lost two boys and lost them, by the way, to horrible diseases,
that lingered a long time.
And this just sent Lincoln already a depressive right to the edge of sanity, really.
And of course, famously, Mrs. Lincoln was known for her just a loud, extreme bouts of grief.
She would fill the house, later the White House with howls.
The servants would describe them like the howls of wounded animals.
And so it wasn't just Lincoln's grief that he had to deal with.
It was the grief of his wife that would go on.
for weeks and be terrible.
He finally took her to a window one time and pointed at a mental institution in D.C.
and said, Mother, if you don't get control of yourself, we'll have to put you there.
And that got her to tame herself a little bit.
But Lincoln dealt with agonizing deaths his whole life.
And he said once famously that he was haunted by the sound of rain falling on graves.
Well, he had so many graves in his life that he would visit.
Of course, had to attend funerals of people he loved.
So all of this, though it sounds dark, is what caused him to search.
And it was at those moments that James Smith, this Presbyterian minister at First Presbyterian in Springfield, stepped into his life and gave a, as the Scripture say, a reason for the hope that lies within Christians.
I have a rational explanation.
And Lincoln bought it.
And I think that those times were the turnings for him.
You know, you say that the way you describe him while he's in the White House and her, I can't.
imagine that a president would have been able to remain the president today, just with the media
and everything else. I mean, that's disturbing. It's, I mean, you know, close to insanity.
Absolutely. When he lost Willie, named for William Wallace, by the way, as a young boy in the
house, Lincoln would close his office and sit in the dark all day every Thursday.
So he would grieve sitting in the dark.
Now imagine that a modern president turns out the lights,
closes the west wing or the Oval Office,
and sits in the dark just in a depressive grief all day long.
People, of course, would question insanity.
But this is what Lincoln did for quite some time
until finally, a fairly famous minister made an appointment with him
and said, sir, what you're doing is not right.
Don't you know that if you believe on Jesus Christ,
you will go, though your son cannot come to you, you will go to him.
And this was a massive turning point in Lincoln's life.
And he stopped those Thursday darkness sessions.
And he began to search the scriptures more thoroughly and buy copies of this minister's sermons.
And so, again, Lincoln is on a journey.
There's a progression.
You don't have one moment of a full turning, but you definitely have a leaving of the atheist years
and a deepening, a constant deepening, largely in.
inspired by his recovery from grief and from the deaths of those he loved.
When he was president, they say he didn't care about slavery.
I don't believe that to be true.
And it's my understanding that he had a relationship somewhat with John Quincy Adams,
who kind of passed the torch to him on anti-slavery.
Is that true?
it is it is they did know each other they did correspond in the early years and it's folly of course to say that
he didn't care about slavery i mean not only do we know about his famous trip to new Orleans where he
said if i ever get a chance to hit this thing speaking of slavery i will also when he was a congressman
for a very short period of time only about 12 14 months he proposed a bill that would have outlawed
slavery in dc um he proposed the same kind of bill in uh springfield back in back in back in
in Illinois. So the idea, and by the way, we have some of the most fascinating writings we have
from Lincoln are where he's sitting alone at night in his office, and he's sort of wrestling with
God, wrestling with his conscience. What does Providence want? God can't be for the same thing
and against it at the same time. He would wrestle with his conscience on, you know, scraps of
paper. And fortunately, when he died, his secretary kept those for us and we still have them.
But to say he didn't care about slavery as silly, of course he deeply cared about it.
And it actually was part, since we're talking about his faith, it was part of the reason that he, you know, was troubled about the state of Christianity.
He couldn't believe that Southern clergy would make a case for slavery from Scripture.
And since he identified with the slaves deeply because of his own labors, he was troubled by all of that.
we're talking to Stephen Mansfield.
He wrote the book Lincoln's Battle with God.
He also has done biographies of a lot of other people,
and we want to talk to him about that.
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Stephen, when did the tide turn on Abraham Lincoln?
Lincoln, far as public opinion.
I know when he was first in Baltimore on his way to the White House,
you know, and there's a plot to kill him,
he really understands how much of the country hates him.
And he's, you know, when he's going into the war, it's not going well.
When did the tide turn for him?
When did he become Abraham Lincoln?
Well, it's interesting that the tide never did really turn in a massive way for him during his life.
He was hated.
He was vilified.
Of course, he was hated by half the country during a civil war.
But he wasn't all that popular in the north.
And as you've just said, you know, as he makes his journey by train into D.C., he's having to hide and even dress like a woman at one point be covered up by his bodyguard.
I would say frankly that the tide really didn't turn until his death.
People, because he was victorious in the Civil War, because he was killed on a good Friday,
people began to realize that this was our Redeemer President.
This was our liberator, the great emancipator.
And by the way, because he did things like the Emancipation Proclamation,
saying publicly that he did it out of a covenant with God,
people remembered these things when he was killed.
And I would say that it's fascinating now.
I live in D.C., as you know.
And so it's fascinating to find that people, the tourists who flood by the millions in the D.C.,
the person they most are eager to explore and most identify with D.C. in American history is not Washington,
for whom the city is named, but Lincoln.
And so the tide turned for him, I think, just shortly after his death, when the words and the deeds were remembered and the legend arose.
Yeah, it's amazing after his death, how he was.
was our beloved president.
And, you know, they dragged his body all around for on the morning train and, and,
and everything else.
His death is, to me, absolutely horrible the way he was treated.
I mean, the doctors, I mean, this was the medicine at the time.
The doctor comes and sticks his finger in the back of his head to try to dig the bullet out
with his finger.
And I can't remember.
Laura Keene, I think was her name, comes up in her white dress, brand new white dress to hold the president so she can get the blood stains on her dress and then go on a tour making herself look like Florence Nightingale.
I mean, he was treated horribly all the way till he was dead.
No, it was horrible.
He was carried across the street from Ford's theaters to the Peterson House.
You're exactly correct.
I mean, we were talking about a level of medicine one click up from bleeding people with leeches.
You're right.
The doctor put his pinky finger into the wound.
It was badly done.
He was ill-served at every turn.
And, yeah, people already knew that he was going to be a legend, and they wanted to be associated with it.
People were cramming into the room and what have you.
But, yes, his death is part of the great lore.
He was even betrayed by the, he basically, he and Mary Todd Lincoln doubled.
dated with a young major, the major, Major Rathburn, and that man betrayed him, basically.
It would be proved cowardly and left him to be killed, should have stepped up and fought off
John Wilkes Booth. What's interesting, I think, from the standpoint of his faith about his death,
is that as he was dying, just before he was shot, he was continuing kind of a flirty conversation
with his wife from earlier in the day when they had taken a carriage ride, and they had been
discussing what they would do after the war. And he said to her,
her sitting right there in the booth.
After the war, we'll not go back to Springfield.
We'll travel abroad.
I would really like to go to the Holy Land.
I would like to walk in the footsteps of the Savior.
Amazing.
Amazing.
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We're going to talk to him about Winston Churchill, Pope Benedict, George Whitfield, and Booker T.
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This is the Glenn Beck program.
We have Stephen Mansfield on.
He is the author of many books, Miracle of the Kurds, which was selected as Book of the Year.
Also, I think we've had him on before for his book, A Manly Man, which I just love.
but he has written biographies of Lincoln and his struggles to find God,
George Whitfield, Booker T. Washington, Winston Churchill, Pope Benedict, Barack Obama,
George W. Bush, and Abraham Lincoln, and not the Bill O'Reilly book, Killing Jesus,
but another one that I have to read.
Stephen, I want to go through a couple of the figures that you have written about.
Can we start with Pope Benedict?
What really happened at the end with Pope Benedict?
Was this kind of a coup?
I don't believe it was a coup, but I do believe the pressures came too much.
You definitely had corruption going on at a certain level within the Vatican,
and he spoke about that openly, and that was happening at a time of his declining health.
So was it a coup?
I don't believe so.
But I do believe that he was unable to control the events of the transition,
and things went away he would not have preferred.
I don't think he's that happy with Pope Francis as a lot of a conservative capitalized.
But nevertheless, I don't think it was an open coup.
I think it just was an older man realizing he couldn't deal with what he had to deal with in the Vatican
and then having a transition go what I think he would consider it badly.
So I have three versions of Booker T's, Booker T. Washington's book up from slavery.
and I have a first edition original.
Then I have one that came out about 15 years ago.
And the preface says,
we're not sure how much of this story is true.
And I have the latest copy of Up From Slavery,
where it says right in the front,
this book is a work of fiction.
Tell me about Booker T. Washington.
Well, Booker T.
Washington is one of the most controversial African-American leaders.
I love him.
I'll tell you frankly, I'm an advocate for him.
Me too.
And the reason is, of course, that he advocated industry, labor, skills, using the marketplace,
using the free enterprise system for blacks to ascend.
He certainly believed in their civil rights, but he believed that the best way to ascend
was through the vehicle of not free enterprise and being people of industry.
Well, that does not play well with many contemporary African-Americans, certainly doesn't play well at the scholarly set.
And so they vilify him, and he's disliked.
And other scholars, other philosophers, other black writers are preferred because they're a little bit more left-leaning.
And they're a little suspicious of capitalism and free enterprise.
But Booker T, I think, the founder of Tuskegee, great man, first African-American, who is really super-prime.
prominent and also dined to first have died in the White House. He was a favorite of Teddy
Roosevelt's. I think he did amazing things for black Americans, but he is absolutely
vilified, and that's why you're getting the different accounts there at the beginning of your
books. And it was the, it was at the time when if he would have lived a little longer,
perhaps things would have been different, but it was a, he was at a critical juncture. Was he not
with, was it Marcus Garvey?
No, who was it?
That was
kind of the,
yeah, Du Bois,
the foe of Booker T.
And when Booker T died,
that's when Du Bois really kind of took off,
was it not?
Exactly, exactly.
He didn't live long enough,
unfortunately, died early,
and his enemies, in a sense,
wrote his obituary,
and we've been dealing with that ever since.
But those who died into it
and get into the original sources,
and studied a man without bias can only conclude he was a great African-American hero.
Winston Churchill, one of my favorite guys.
He is funny.
He had a prescription for his alcoholism during prohibition.
I think he's one of the only guys that truly understood what had to happen after World War II.
I think he judged Russia for what it really was.
But over in India, he was kind of a,
kind of not a good figure.
And I struggled with that, Stephen, for a while until I realized,
I was asking if he was a good man or a bad man.
And I think the answer to that is, yes, just as we all are.
We have a battle and we're great at some things, not good at others.
and he regretted a lot of the things that he did because he, you know, came from a different generation towards the end of his life in India.
Is that true?
It is true. It is true.
He definitely was a man of his age.
He loved the empire.
He hated seeing a decline.
He hated the loss of India.
He insultingly called Gandhi a naked fakir, which means beggar or, you know, street person and Hindi.
So he was insulting, and he did have some of the racist attitudes of upper class English at that time.
I'm not excusing him.
But hang on just a second.
So did, but so did Gandhi.
Gandhi also was a racist.
Absolutely.
Gandhi spoke horribly.
He lived for a while in South Africa before he returned to India.
He was a lawyer, and he spoke horribly of the Africans and the blacks and didn't think that.
So, yes, if we start chucking out of our lives and out of our thought,
every person in history who had even lightly racist attitudes, we're going to have an empty
history book because almost everyone, black, white, yellow, whatever, had these early attitudes.
So we should forgive them, draw from their gifts, and build a new history.
But, yeah, definitely Churchill was a mixed man.
As much as I admire him, I'm sitting in an office with a picture of him on the wall right here.
I'd deeply admire him.
But no question, he had his flaws.
I often think
where is the Churchill of our day
I think he was so unique
that I think he makes the other leaders
at that time
really look weak in comparison
they were strong but he was just a different guy
he had vision
he had passion he used humor
my favorite story is that he's in the
White House in the early days of World War II, Congress is suspecting him of inflating what he
needs in terms of help and material from the U.S. He's taking a bath at midday in the White House,
as he often did. Roosevelt is wheeled. Remember that he had polio wheeled into the room.
He's embarrassed that there stands, a dripping wet Churchill with a towel around him,
and Churchill sees as the moment. He stops Roosevelt from being wheeled out of the room,
and says no, and he pulls the towel off of him.
Now he's standing there wet and naked, ball to spank, and he says,
I have nothing to hide from the president of the United States.
He was making a point about the political issue,
but using his own nakedness and a bath to make that point.
Boy, did that story have turned the tide.
He's a great man, and we don't have many like that.
George Whitfield, a name that most people don't know,
but I contend we may not.
have had the American Revolution and Freedom, as we understand it, without him.
I could not agree more. In fact, my book is called Forgotten Founding Father.
Whitfield, of course, with Wesley, the great revivalist in England, made seven trips from the
south to the north in the American colonies. And some scholars call him the first intercolonial event.
He's the first person who really captured imaginations because all of the, all of the colonies
would have been more tied to London than to each other, but this revival that he led tied them all together.
And he began to warn the colonists and the colonial leaders.
Your liberties are being, quote, spied out, and they're being taken from you.
Be careful.
What's happening in Parliament is going to destroy your religious liberties in this revival that's happening.
And so he warned them, and there's a scholar by the name of Heimert, and he developed a Heimert thesis,
which is that had there been no great awakening,
there would have been no American Revolution, as you say.
So we owe George Whitfield this Anglican priest quite a bit.
And it's amazing that the first fighters went into his crypt,
opened it up and took a bit of his black robe to pin it on their uniforms.
That's how crucial he was to many Americans.
Well, they saw him as the father of their revolution,
and they wanted a little piece of his black preaching robe or his collars tend to their uniforms,
not as though they put their trust in a piece of cloth to keep them safe.
So almost a flag, almost a flag of identity and royalty, because he was the man who had summoned them to this valiant fight.
So how did we forget him?
You know, Glenn, I'll tell you, he is actually buried in a broom closet in Newburyport, Massachusetts.
in the basement of a church.
He is forgotten.
There are statues of him.
There are, you know, of course scholars remember him, but you are absolutely right.
Like Bookerty, Washington, we are embarrassed by him.
We don't want to attribute the cause of our revolution with a preacher, a revivalist, a Billy Graham type, in our popular mind.
And so we have absolutely forgotten him.
But I think that, again, I agree with the hymer thesis.
Had there been no Great Awakening led by George Whitfield, there would have been no American Revolution.
Well, you couldn't have Thomas Payne writing common sense if they hadn't heard all of that common sense from the pulpit.
I mean, people don't understand how they don't understand how the preachers, and I think because of this, we're in the shape we're in, preachers didn't shy away from events of the day because they were framing it, not as politics.
it was framed as
these are your rights
and you need to understand
that they come from God
and you better stand up for them.
That's exactly right. I'm sure you know
the phrase the Black Regiment. These were
the preachers who donned
military uniforms and fought the
American Revolution. But if you go
back and do what scholars often do, which is
scan the colonial newspapers,
you find that the preaching, the pulpits
aflame with righteousness, a flame
with the liberty cause, are
really what inspired people to rise up. It wasn't just politicians. It wasn't just anger towards
the king. It was these preachers in the mold of George Whitfield. And the way the newspapers
repeated page after page of their sermons and the proclamations and their warnings, that really
is the intellectual heritage that created the American Revolution. By the way, the blaze I named
after George Whitfield's paper that he published called The Blaze. One last question. As you look
through history. Are you optimistic about our future, pessimistic, or neutral?
I am optimistic, and the reason is that we have had times like these before. They forced good
people to the four. There were shakings. There were upheavals. There was destruction that happened
during times like this, but ultimately long-term good emerged. And I am a long-term optimist and
believe that good things are coming and that good people are seeing the times for what they are
grieving them, but then arising to their best. And that's going to change our history. So I'm an
optimist. Good. I'm glad to hear it. Thank you so much, Stephen. We'll talk again.
Stephen Mansfield. You bet. A great author of many biographies. Look him up. Stephen Mansfield.
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You know, I got to tell you, the world is so upside down. I don't know if you saw this too,
but AOC has called for the investigating and possible impeaching of members.
of the Supreme Court.
She said, if Chief Justice John Roberts
won't come before Congress,
here's what she said.
If Chief Justice Roberts will not come before Congress
for an investigation voluntarily,
I believe that we should be considering subpoenas,
we should be considering investigations.
We must pass much more binding and stringent ethics guidelines
where we see members of the Supreme Court
potentially breaking the law, as we saw in the refusal, you know, with Clarence Thomas to recuse himself
from cases implicating his wife in January 6th. There also must be impeachment on the table. We have a
broad level of tools to deal with misconduct, overreach, and abuse of power. And the Supreme Court
has not been receiving the adequate oversight necessary in order to preserve their own legitimacy.
and in the process, they themselves have been destroying the legitimacy.
Stop, stop. I can't take her idiocy.
Where in the Constitution do you find oversight?
I mean, as a constitutionalist,
I would have loved to been able to claim oversight
when they were passing all kinds of crazy things.
But now they are demanding oversight.
So Congress is the watchdog of one branch,
is the watchdog of the other branch?
I don't, no, I don't think so.
That's not the way it works.
I just, a lot of people don't like AOC, but I really do love the earnestness of her stupidity.
Like, there's something really charming about how hard she's trying.
Like, she really is trying to noodle these things out.
And I don't know.
It's like watching your 14-year-old give a speech about something they don't really fully understand.
It's like, it's kind of cute.
It's adorable in a very, you know, society-destroying sort of way.
And you're right. And I'm looking forward to see how all of this works out.
It's going to be fun to watch.
Yeah, yeah. I love it.
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Hello, America.
There is a movie that is opening up that you need to see.
And I know you've already got your whole weekend plan.
you're like, I've got to see the Indiana Jones movie.
I mean, my favorite, of course, everybody's favorite.
Say it with me, the Crystal Skull.
It's not as good as that one, but I just have to see it.
I know, change your plans.
You might want to go see The Sound of Freedom.
We'll talk to the guy it's all about, Tim Ballard, in 60 seconds.
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Mr. Tim Bellard, how are you, sir?
Hey, Glenn, how are you?
I'm great.
I saw this movie three years ago, maybe?
Yeah.
And I'm not even sure it was locked at that point,
but watched it with Jim Caviesel and you,
and I think like a Prince of Italy or something was there as well.
Yeah.
That's right, yeah.
And watched it, and this is a tremendous, tremendous movie called The Sound of Freedom.
Tell the listener about it.
So the launch of our rescue operation,
which leads into Operation Underground Railroad,
also the Nazarene Fund.
But this is the story of when we were in the government and was confronted with this dilemma of
if I wanted to stay on the operation and rescue these children, I had to quit my job.
And what's so exciting talking to you, Glenn, is that your audience should be reminded that
they paid for the operation.
The whole island.
The whole island raid, that was funded by your community.
So I've been so excited to get on the radio to say thank you to.
you and your community and go watch what you funded. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's the reality.
And it's so tremendous. So tremendous. And I think there's going to be eventually there will be a movie,
maybe long after we're dead, but there will be a movie about the operation that our audience
funded in Afghanistan too. I mean, it's, it's one of the greatest stories ever, as is this one.
So, um, what are you hoping people walk away with, Tim?
Well, I'm hoping that people open their eyes.
I'm tired of, this is domestic release only this week.
And so many people in the United States say this is a problem far, far away from us.
And it's not.
And this film shows you the first two arrests are right here in the United States.
The first one, the first rescues on the border, which is so relevant today,
because we have how many kids being trafficked into the United States into the highest demand country for child sex in the world.
You know, we have our kids being targeted by this.
crazy ideology of, you know, of sexualizing them and all sorts of things. So I really hope everyone
can put the pieces together and realize that kids are in the crosshairs. And this is an American
problem and it requires an American solution. So there are a couple movies that I really want to
see. I want to see Till and it came out a long time ago. And I've wanted to see it. But every time
I pass it on Netflix, I'm like, I'm not in the, you know, you just don't want to be depressed. This
is a really uplifting story. This is not, this is something you go to, and yes, it deals with
some awful stuff, but you feel great leaving the theater after this.
You do, and you know, one reason that is, I remember talking to Jerry Mullen, who's a friend
of yours as well, who won the Academy Award for Schindler's list, and he said the one regret
he had was they made that film 50 years too late, because when you left in theater, there's
nothing to do. It's kind of depressing. But this film, the son of freedom, it's like,
It's like Schindler's list had been made in 1940, right?
It's like you can leave and do something, and that's empowering.
And so I think that's why, you know, the movie begins for a lot of people as they're leaving the theater.
And that's what I think causes hope and makes people feel good.
So when you watch this, Tim, is there any part of you that is worried that this just makes you much more famous and oh, you are much more famous and the tactics that you use?
more famous because you you guys go in undercover and catch these guys just being absolute dirtbags
and honestly i don't know and we've we've had this we talked about this one we were in
bangkok together and we were walking down uh what's that cowboy street um yeah um in in
Bangkok and we were talking and i i asked you how do you live in this world and not take it with you
when you get out because it's awful, these people,
and you have to kind of pretend to be part of that.
Yeah, this film has forced me out of all undercover work definitively,
and I've been doing it for 18 years, and it does take its toll.
In fact, it's an amazing, crazy process to go undercover and then come out back in.
It takes a lot of prayer, therapy.
But I'll say this, the only tactics we've ever revealed in the film or in the documentaries
are things that people are doing anyway.
We never reveal something that's kind of a telltale sign that would give us away.
You know, things that are happening anyway, parties or whatever.
So that allows us to protect our tactics while at the same time expressed to the world what is happening.
Tell a little bit about this movie, this story in particular on how you get the bad guys.
The operation that, as you said, this audience funded.
So I had been sent down as a government agent in 2012 to Columbia to consult on an operation.
And I was very clear.
I was to stop at that point, but I didn't.
And I attached myself.
I got involved deeper than I was supposed to.
And then I was told to come home because there's no U.S. case here.
Of course, I don't care about U.S. case, Columbia case, human trafficking, child trafficking,
knows no borders or boundaries.
But the law was the law.
And they said, come home.
And I said, I can't.
You know, and that's when I, that's when I contacted you and my wife.
And I didn't even know you all that well yet.
I mean, I've been to your show once.
And I thought, can I get a hold of him?
Can I convince him to take the craziest risk?
And your attorneys are telling you not to do it.
But, but this was the pending operation.
You know, and I don't know, it was crazy that you did it.
It was, you put yourself out there.
And, you know, we all put ourselves out there.
And, you know, and we went for it.
And it paid off.
And it paid off in this operation.
I don't want to do too much.
Spoiler alert, but it is, it's, it's, it, it rescued over 100 kids in, in, in, it's
spent about two hours.
And it's depicted on this big island scene in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, uh, off the
coast of Cartagena.
So tell me what it feels like.
Um, and I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to spoil anything in this
this movie.
So we'll talk about other operations you've.
been on tell me what it feels like when because you're undercover you're arrested with the bad
guys and here are all these women and young girls really young girls and you're down on the floor
with your hands behind your back in cuffs and they're looking at you like you're a predator
and you know you're not and so you never get that you never get that you never get that
thank you really from them or just even the recognition that I would imagine I would want to say
I'm not one of them I'm not one of them I was really trying to help you how does that feel
when you're there on the ground with your hands behind your back yeah it's a it's a punch to the
stomach I've had I've had young girls and kids like even cuss at me I remember once
spit at me as we were being taken out like got you you know I'm like no no no
Oh, we are here for you.
And that's just part of it because, you know, if they know who you are,
it's a security risk for our entire team.
But something unique happened on this operation that you know about that I'll go ahead and reveal
because I think it's just so cool is something happened on the island operation
where one of the aftercare people on the Columbia side accidentally revealed that we were the good guys.
After they took the bad guys, the real bad guys, off on the boats, they left us there.
And the kids started like singing in class.
and saying thank you to us.
And then we realized, oh, my goodness, they know who we are.
And some of my operators were crying because they'd never seen this kind of interaction.
I never get that.
Between us and the kids.
And he said to me, and it may sound cheesy, but it's the truth.
He said, it's not cheesy in the moment.
And the moment is beautiful and so real.
But he said to me, do you hear that sound?
That's the sound of freedom.
And when I told that story to the produced to Alejandro Monteverde, the writer and director of
Sound of Freedom, he said, that's the name of the movie.
And they actually depict that scene on the island, actually depict the scene where the operator says to me those words.
And it plays really well.
So it's one of the more beautiful scenes.
The writer-director of this is a genius and has done a great job and is very well-known in South America.
He's done a couple of, I think, brilliant movies here.
And this is, of course, one of them.
Jim Caviesel plays you.
I mean, I wouldn't mind that happening if Jim Caviesel played me,
but I'd get like fatty Arbuckle to play me.
But he's a good guy and a good friend as well.
And what did it take to get him involved?
Well, when they approached me and said,
I didn't think they were going to make this film because the chances were so small in my mind.
But they said, we're doing it and who would you like to play you?
You don't get to choose, but you can request.
And right out of the gate, I said, I want Jim Caviso.
The County Monte Cristo is one of my favorite movies, for one.
But I told them, I said, look, I don't trust Hollywood.
I mean, Hollywood is the reason that I'm employed.
I mean, they create the content that creates the demand, it creates the whole problem.
And I know one thing about Jim Cavicel.
He's a phenomenal actor and he loves Jesus.
And if I didn't love Jesus, I couldn't do what I do.
So that's the reason.
And they said, okay, they're worried because, you know,
at the end of the movie, if you remember, Glenn, it's really cool.
They do this kind of transition into real footage.
And it shows some real footage from the operation.
And they said, you've got to find someone to him that kind of looks like you.
He's tall, dark, and handsome, and you're frankly not.
And so I said, well, I don't care.
I don't care what he looks like.
You know, he loves Jesus.
And so they went with it and Jim signed up in like four days.
He was in.
I will tell you that Tall Dark and Handsome does not come to mind when I think of you coming to my house immediately following an operation.
You'll fly in from someplace around the world and you'll stop in Dallas and you've done it a couple of times where you come to the door and I don't even recognize you.
And Tall Dark and Handsome is definitely the opposite of how you look when you're on an operation.
that's right i look i come i come in pretty beat up so thanks for for giving me a warm place to hang
out so uh there is a two million ticket goal um and why is it why why did you set a goal for
two million tickets so before i answer that i want to announce something is so cool they've
already sold over one million i think it's a 1.1 million tickets um they sold 900 000 just over
the weekend we literally be in in the theaters
where we were competing with Indiana Jones
this weekend, which was Indiana Jones opening weekend,
Sound of Freedom sold more tickets
than Indiana Jones.
And we even have a movie out.
It's really good news.
It's incredible.
The Angel Studios is just going through the roof.
I can't believe it.
But there's two million children forced into commercial sex yearly.
And so to kind of commemorate that and connect it to the Independence Day,
we want two million people in the theaters this week
celebrating the Fourth of July
considering what freedom really means
and also representing those two million kids.
Believe it or not, this is a really feel-good movie.
You will walk out of the movie theater
feeling really, really great,
especially if you're in this audience
because, as Tim said,
you paid for the operation that is being depicted in the movie.
And it is called Sound of Freedom.
You can get your tickets
online, go see it.
It opens tomorrow.
Sound of freedom.
Tim, thank you.
Give my best to Jim, will you?
We'll do. Thanks, I love you.
Yeah, bye-bye.
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It's where he's from.
So I came in from Israel, which is a 14-hour flight plus connection plus get lost on the way.
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And so I said, I'd better be in St. George.
Holy cow.
You flew from Israel just for this?
Yes, sir, I did.
Why?
Because this is, well, I hope not, but it might be a once in a lifetime to see this stuff.
Because listening to you for 10 years, I've come to understand the importance of these things.
Without understanding America and its history, you cannot understand our world.
And you cannot appreciate it without America's founding, America's values, the Constitution, yada, yada, yada, yada.
None of this exists.
None of this.
Not my country.
And obviously, Holocaust, et cetera.
But even without that, none of this exists, none of what we have.
I'll tell you, our founders felt that they were going to found the new Jerusalem here.
But George Washington spoke about it as several of the founders.
that one of the reason we were to found this country was to restore Israel,
to have it return and be restored as God promised.
Well, we're grateful.
Thank you.
You know, it's funny that you say that about America,
because being in Jerusalem in particular,
if you've never stood at the Temple Mount,
if you've never felt the Temple Mount,
you have no idea you can't you don't understand the world because it's almost as that the world has an
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Like you said, you can feel it.
You can.
It really is.
It's different.
And it's, we are forever linked, I hope.
I don't know if that's, I don't know if we're on that trajectory at this point.
But we are hopefully forever linked as friends and allies and countries that both worship the same God.
God willing.
Yeah.
Not willing.
Thank you.
So when are you going home?
Thursday, technically.
Thursday.
And you're here all by yourself?
I'm here all by myself.
That is crazy.
That is crazy.
Yeah, that's what my wife said.
But then she said, all right, go ahead.
So thank you, honey.
I love you.
Wow.
That is amazing.
I know what you mean when you say that to Tanya sometimes.
Yeah, I know.
Well, I can't wait to hear your review of what you see.
So thank you so much for coming.
coming. God bless you. And Glenn, thank you for everything. Oh, thank you. Everything.
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Every 4th of July, just after dusk, you will hear the same chorus wherever you are.
Every city, town, hamlet across the United States, you'll hear boom.
Oh.
Boom, boom, boom.
Every 4th of July in every city.
fireworks burst across the sky as the rockets red glare gives me proof that my wife is still there
as we sit on bleachers and huddle on blankets or as we did a couple of years ago just sat in the back of a pickup truck
as we watched the pyrotechnic display this has been part of the fourth of july or independence day
the first celebration of America's independence in 1777.
That's when it all started and has been going on ever since.
That first commemoration was not, however,
the first time fireworks were launched in the American skies.
Legend has it that in 1608, Captain John Smith set off a fireworks display in Jamestown.
Wouldn't that been incredible?
I guess just to mark the cannibalism that was yet to come in Jamestown.
The history of fireworks is crazy.
It's crazy ancient.
It spans the entire globe.
Most historians believe that fireworks were invented in China.
However, some contend they originated in the Middle East or India.
But either way, we do know that the first firecracker in China
was actually created unintentionally when a stick of bamboo was tossed into a fire and it cracked.
The hollow air pocket of the bamboo overheated and a loud pop was created.
The Chinese believe these natural firecrackers would ward off evil spirits.
And so that was the first, at least in China.
Around 800 BC, a Chinese alchemist, he mixed sulfur, charcoal,
potassium nitrate mixed it all together and he was trying to make a recipe for eternal life
didn't work out quite so well some say he was trying to create gold um and that didn't work out
either so whichever um and especially eternal life because what he made was gunpowder they began
to pack the powder then into the bamboo and then later into paper tubes and toss them into
the fire. So if you attended an ancient Chinese display, it wouldn't be like the shows today.
I think it sounds a little more dangerous, quite honestly. So then they packed it the powder into the
the paper later in the bamboo and the fireworks were thrown into the fire. So they were not
launched into the air. And there were no added colors, just noisy explosions like fire.
Crackers. So there was probably not as many ooze and oaws as well. Around 900 AD, the Chinese realized they could make projectiles with the gunpowder. So they fastened the firecrackers to arrows, and they fired them at enemies. And over the next 200 years, the fireworks were made into rockets that could be fired at your enemy without the help of an arrow.
So it was pretty, I guess.
It was very, very beautiful when we watched them all be set on fire.
But it was your enemy, and their uniforms, I suppose, added color because there was no color.
Marco Polo brought fireworks to Europe and Arabia from Asia in 1295.
Gunpowder recipes came as well.
And we used the technology to develop more weapons like cannons and muskets.
The Chinese, I don't know, maybe I think their wars had a little bit more flare than just hurling a giant cannonball.
Fireworks were not only used as weapons.
They were still used to celebrate things.
Henry the seventh, I think, is credited with the first royal fireworks display.
He had a wedding in 1486.
then Peter the Great, the Tsar of Russia, put out a five-hour fireworks show when his son was born.
Now, I think that sounds cool, but remember, there were no colors at the time.
So at some point, you're like, okay, I mean, I get it.
Silver thing goes up in the sky, goes bang, and I see silver lights.
I mean, I got it the first hour.
and there was no music or anything else.
It was just the fire.
I think five hours might be a little excessive.
The 1600s, the science of fireworks didn't change.
It was still the same as it was an ancient China, except you didn't throw them into the fireworks.
Now, aerial fireworks, and they were not actually silver.
They were just plain orange.
There was no color.
And they were run by firemasters.
And the assistants were little green men.
Not kidding you, that's what they were called green men.
And they were called that because they had to wear wet leaves to protect themselves from the sparks.
And again, I mean, I'm surprised that we ever made it to real civilization.
You know, any job that says, we're going to require you to wear wet leaves, I don't think I even apply for.
and I recommend to my friends, at least my friends, maybe those I don't like, I'm like, you've got to be a green man.
I mean, it's going to be great.
Early American settlers brought the fireworks with them to the new world.
John Adams is credited with inspiring the celebration of independence with fireworks.
He wrote to his wife, Abigail, The day will be most memorable in the history of America.
I'm apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding.
generations as the great anniversary festival. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade,
bonfires, and illuminations, otherwise known as fireworks, from one end of this continent to the other,
from this time forward forevermore. And he was right, and we did. America's first Fourth of
July celebration was in 1777, still with only one color, orange. I think the fire
The firework industry could have been run by Henry Ford, and he would have loved it.
You get all the fireworks you want in any color, as long as it's orange.
The elaborate sparkles of red, white, and blue and fancy shapes, not invented for another 60 years.
During the Renaissance, pyrotechnic schools had taught eager students how to create elaborate explosions.
In Italy, fireworks were particularly popular.
They put specks of metal and other compounds in it to intensify the brightness and to make different shapes.
And the fireworks that we watch today may be some of the last fireworks that the world will know.
It started before Christ or BCE before Cabanera.
And it may end soon.
They've been all over China, India, Arabia, England, Russia, Italy,
influences from all over the world
and now they're being replaced by drones
because of global warming.
But what you see in the sky tomorrow night
is really a melting pot.
The Fourth of July sky is a melting pot
of creativity and innovation
that came from all over the world.
It's a true representation of our noblest ideals
that our founding father set forth on actually July 2nd, 1776,
and finally signed July 4th.
E. Pluribus Unum.
Out of many, one.
Out of so many sources and so many countries,
we will all sit on the back of our trucks or in bleachers
and watch our one fireworks display,
and celebrate the one truth.
We are free.
We are the freest country ever to grace the earth.
We've made a lot of mistakes, and that is true.
We've been a bad country, and we've been a great country.
But we're still a country called the United States of America,
and we are free.
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this is the glenback program so back from a few days off for what you know we we don't really know
but uh we welcome stewina back thank you um and i'm i'm not gonna dead name stew because that would be
wrong so just just welcome back stewina and that's uh it's great i'm glad things went well in
the surgery stew thank you so much glen it was a big success uh and uh you know have now converted
genders every single time I've gone on vacation when you've still been hosting.
So it's good to know.
You should make up your mind.
Yeah, no.
I disagree.
Transition is where the money is.
Once you're done, people are bored with you.
You need to be in mid transition.
That's when you bring in the cash.
Well, I don't know.
You can always complain about something.
I mean, Dylan Mulvaney does.
And he still is, you know, he's the hot gal.
Yeah.
I mean, you get the can from Bud Light and Bud Light blows up their entire
business basically because of this can.
And you'd think, wow, that must be the favorite beer of all trans people now.
Well, shockingly enough, you're never woke enough as Bud Light found out recently.
Listen, here's Dylan Mulvaney.
You don't have it?
Okay.
Apparently, we don't have it.
But basically what Dylan Mulvaney said was, uh, I'm very disappointed in Bud Light.
They didn't reach out to me enough.
Apparently after this thing blew up and it became a.
big issue. And now Dylan Mulvaney's criticizing Bud Lake for not being pro trans enough.
So they are totally, totally screwed. We are totally, totally screwed. There is no one that can take
anything anymore. There's no one. Everybody is like, oh, my alarm clock went off this morning and
it assaulted me. And I've got to complain to the alarm clock come.
Oh my gosh, get over it.
There are things in life that happen.
Things you got to do.
Buck up.
Ugh.
Weak.
This is the reality of the situation, though, I guess.
This is where we are now.
And I don't know.
You'd think these companies would figure this out after a while, right?
You'd think that eventually they'd understand that once they get in the middle of these things,
it's not even pissing off your conservative fans.
It's pissing off everybody.
because you will never be able to please the left.
So now you'll be put in a position where you're constantly trying to walk this in between line that you will never be able to solve.
There's nowhere to go.
So don't get involved in the first place.
Just make beer.
And Disney is a great example of what happens over time.
Disney was way ahead of the, I mean, led the parade for the woke parade.
And I mean, back in 2008, you know, they,
had rainbows on their on their employees uh ID cards and so what happens is all of the
woke people go to that particular company work for that company and then you see what happens
they're destroying that company and the company can't do anything about it yeah they can do
fire everyone right essentially the thing that business owners need to understand is whether you
agree or disagree with woke ideology
or you know, LGBTQ issues or all those things.
The central part you need to understand about the situation is that woke employees are terrible
employees.
And when you bring them in, when you encourage them to be hired by your company, you will be burned.
They've destroyed the New York Times.
They've destroyed Disney.
They've destroyed company after company after company because once they get in and they rest control
from sane people, even if they're liberal, you wind up with a work, you know, a, you
a staff that doesn't want to do their job.
It's the lowest thing on their priority list.
Looking at Disney and how much money they've lost recently.
I mean, it is.
What are they going to do?
I think that company, it's got to be over, don't you think?
Well, what are they going to do?
I mean, they have so much, you know.
I mean, they still have ESPN.
And, I mean, it's not just, you know, just Disney anymore.
But they also, they also bought Star Wars.
They're wrecking that.
Oh, yeah.
They have Indiana Jones.
They're wrecking that.
You know, they're wrecking all of their classic movies.
They're wrecking their classic stories.
The parks are being wrecked.
I mean, once you get rid of the movies and the parks, there's not.
I mean, really, where's their strength?
It's in the parks and their movies.
And they've just destroyed.
destroyed their movie industry, and they're working on their parks now.
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