The Glenn Beck Program - Will Roe Affect Midterms? | Guests: Sen. Mike Lee & Edwin Black | 12/2/21

Episode Date: December 2, 2021

Glenn and Stu listen to the oral arguments from the Supreme Court over abortion and share their thoughts on whether the court will overturn Roe v. Wade. Glenn and Stu go through what would happen if Roe v. Wade were completely overturned and how it would affect the abortion rate in America. If Roe v. Wade is overturned, could it cost Republicans the midterm elections? Lisa Hanson is a restaurant owner who’s facing jail time for breaking COVID restrictions, and she joins to tell how she’s fighting back. Sen. Mike Lee joins to share his thoughts on the Supreme Court abortion case. Edwin Black, host of the Edwin Black Show, joins Glenn to discuss the anniversary of Yom HaGirush, the Holocaust, and how the world is headed in the wrong direction. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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If you didn't have the time yesterday to listen to the Supreme Court, as they were doing their oral arguments yesterday, on Roe versus Wade. Stu and I came out of it in different places. I think that, I think there's a good chance that Roe versus Wade is a thing of the past.

Now, it's really difficult. You don't want to read into their questions because sometimes they're just asking good questions, but they're asking them almost rhetorically. They're asking and just want to hear the answer. It doesn't mean that's the way they're going to vote. But if you heard some of the questions and some of the answers, to me, it looks like Roe versus Wade may have a chance of being a thing of the past. Stu's a little more skeptical of that.

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I'll be pessimistic. Until the day, John Roberts is no longer on the court. Right. But, I mean, you don't even need Roberts here. This is why this should be an open and shut case. Right. I just was surprised more about the media coverage, which seemed to treat it as a foregone conclusion that Roversus Wade is going away.

Now, there's incentives on both sides here. I think, you know, the pro-life side wants to show this is a really, really important big deal, which, of course, I think it is. And the pro-choice side wants to scare everybody on their side to be out in the streets and vote Democrat. So maybe that's all it is. But like when I was listening to the entire thing yesterday, there are moments I felt optimistic,

but I didn't think that it was like the greatest. I mean, you heard pretty nuanced questions from Amy Coney Barrett. You know, John Roberts clearly was looking for some sort of middle ground. You know, Kavanaugh, I guess, was probably the most exciting part of this because he was the question. the biggest question mark maybe and he seemed to be by oral arguments on the right side of it in my view but you know other than obviously Clarence Thomas and and Samuel Alito

they both seemed rock solid. Yeah rock solid and I think but again like Gorsuch didn't go into enough detailed that I think we learned anything new about Gorsuch yesterday so I mean I don't think it's an open and shut case I would be surprised if they don't do anything like if we don't get to the point where maybe this Mississippi law is allowed or some other sort of incremental step. Well, the defendants, the ones who, you know, from Planned Parenthood and the, you know, the abortion clinics, they're saying it's all or nothing. If you allow this to stand, then Roe versus Wade is over. It's an interesting risk. I think they have some, there's some political calculations that go on

there as well. But it was interesting to hear even the Planned Parenthood. lawyers aren't arguing the position of the Democratic Party. They're saying viability, which you would say is like 24 weeks. The Democratic Party is saying up until birth. Right. So the Planned Parenthood lawyers are far more conservative than the Democratic Party at this point. That's your country. It's crazy.

It's crazy. So one of the big things that happened is Justice Sotomayor. Do we have this one? Yeah, I think we have Kagan basically saying this. Here's cut 13. Justice Breyer started with stare decisis, an important principle in any case. And here, for the reasons that Casey mentioned, especially so, to prevent people from thinking that this court is a political institution that will go back and

forth depending on what part of the public yells loudest. Oh, my gosh. Oh, this is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. Now, what she's saying here is that this, this legal argument means that you can't go in

with well-established law and just overturn it. You have to have, you know, compelling evidence to overturn it. And when it's not clear, you should always just stay with it. And we don't overturn longstanding rulings by the Supreme Court. That's the argument. Well, that was shot to hell yesterday.

Kavanaugh, you know, just took it apart and really took it apart with the Plessy versus Ferguson decision, which was separate but equal. that was a wrong ruling separate but equal it was changed by the brown versus board of education but it was a law for 58 years so by what Sotomayor and Kagan were saying that should Plessy versus Ferguson should have remained and that's what the conservatives were saying on the court wait a minute you can't do that if if it is wrong It is wrong. And they were making the argument that there, in fact, let me see if we have it.

Where is the one reasons for Roe versus Wade? I think it's cut 14. Let's try that. Mississippi's ban on abortion two months before viability is flatly unconstitutional under decades of precedent. Mississippi asks the court to dismantle this precedent and allow states to force. women to remain pregnant and give birth against their will. The court should refuse to do so for at least three reasons. First, stare decisis presents an especially high bar here. In case this court carefully examined and rejected every possible reason for overruling Roe, holding that a woman's right

to end a pregnancy before viability was a rule of law and a component of liberty it could not renounce. The question then is not whether Roe should be overturned, but whether Casey was egregiously wrong to adhere to Roe's central holding. Second, Casey and Roe were correct. For a state to take control of a woman's body and demand that she go through pregnancy and childbirth with all the physical risks and life-altering consequences that brings is a fundamental deprivation of her liberty. Okay, stop. Now go to cut nine. Here's where Clarence Thomas jumps in and asks a few questions.

Go ahead, nine. General, would you specifically tell me, specifically state what the right is? Is it specifically abortion? Is it liberty? Is it autonomy? Is it privacy? The right is grounded in the liberty component of the 14th Amendment, Justice Thomas, but I think that it promotes interests in autonomy.

bodily integrity, liberty, and equality. And I do think that it is specifically the right to abortion here, the right of a woman to be able to control without the state forcing her to continue a pregnancy, whether to carry that baby to term. I understand we're talking about abortion here. But what is confusing is that we, if we were talking about the Second Amendment, I know exactly what we're talking about. If we're talking about Fourth Amendment, I know what we're talking about. I know what we're talking about, because it's written, it's there. What specifically is the right here that we're talking about? Well, Justice Thomas, I think that the Court in those other contexts with respect to those other amendments has had to articulate what the text means and the bounds of the

constitutional guarantees. And it's done so through a variety of different tests that implement First Amendment rights, Second Amendment rights, Fourth Amendment rights. So I don't think that there is anything unprecedented or anomalous about the right to. that the court articulated in Rowan Casey and the way that it implemented that right by defining the scope of the liberty interest by reference to viability and providing that that is the moment when the balance of interest tips and when the state can act to prohibit a woman from getting an abortion. So let's just go through the rights. Okay. Here are the rights as enumerated in the Constitution. Tell me which ones apply to abortions to. Freedom of speech. No.

Freedom of press, no. Freedom of religion. No. You might be able to make a case, but no. On the other side. Right, there's no religion that, you know, Satanism. As you're supposed to.

And the Democratic Party. Freedom of assembly. No. Freedom to petition the government. No. Right to bear arms. No. Unless you redefine arms, then it's pro-life.

Protections against housing. soldiers in a civilian home. Protection against unreasonable search and seizure. Protection against the issuing of warrants without probable cause. Protection against trial without indictment. Double jeopardy, self-incrimination, property seizure. Right to a speedy trial, informed of charges, confronted by a witness, call to a witness, right to legal counsel, right to trial by jury, protect against excessive bail, excessive

fines, and cruel and unusual punishment. it doesn't enter the Bill of Rights at all. So he says, well, what right specifically are we talking about? Cut 10. Listen to Sotomayor. Viability is not tethered to anything in the Constitution, in history, or tradition. It's a quintessentially legislative line. There's so much that's not in the Constitution. I'm so glad she brought that up.

There is so much not in the Constitution. For instance, the, quote, right to health care, not in the Constitution. Abortion. Not in the Constitution. But there is something in the Constitution that goes to the very heart of this case. It's the 10th Amendment. Powers not granted to the federal government in the Constitution, belong to the states or the people.

It's very clear. If abortion is not in the Constitution, the federal government has no role. None. If you can't tie it to one of the rights that are in there, the Constitution specifically states, there's all kinds of rights out there. and those rights are all held by the people and the states.

This is why it was so important when they were talking about, and I don't have it, shoot, I don't have it yet, when they were talking about being neutral. Who was it? Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh talks about being neutral. and the Supreme Court should be neutral on things like this if it isn't constitutional. That's what the Supreme Court is supposed to do.

It's not supposed to decide social issues. It's not supposed to decide, you know, if you had religious zealots take over the United States of America, would you want the Supreme Court to be able to say, yep, well, that church is the right church. and the people have spoken on that. No, you wouldn't want that, right? Well, could the Supreme Court actually stand against it? Absolutely. Because in the Constitution, it says the federal government can't do any of that.

It can't pick one religion over another. It's left to the individuals. And this is the biggest problem. Who runs the country? Do the people run the country? Does the president and his cabinet run the country? Does the Senate and Congress or the Supreme Court? Who actually has final say?

Final say, according to the Constitution, remains with you. As long as, as long as nothing is having. happening that violates the Constitution. It belongs in the hands of the people. And we keep voting for things. For instance, healthcare. We voted against health care. They jammed it through. They jammed it through in an unconstitutional way. And John Roberts, who I believe knew it was wrong.

did some make-up at the Supreme Court and ruled in favor of it when he should have said, if you want this, do it the right way, I'm sending it back. He actually should have said, there's no right to health care. There is no right to health care. So don't bring it to me. It's why conservatives may be against universal health care. care in your state, but you've never heard me say anything other than Romney was wrong and stupid with Romney care in Massachusetts. But it wasn't illegal. It wasn't against the Constitution.

State has a right to do that. I don't have a problem with California voting to be the dumbest group of people I've ever seen in my life. They have a right to live that way. They have a right to rule that way. If that's the way they want to do it. My problem with California is they rope me in. because when they fail and they will, I'll be on the hook and my taxes will have to go to pay for their nonsense. That's my problem. Not that they do things that I disagree with in California. It is the state's right and it is the people's right to vote one way or another. That's what this is really all about.

States rights and the Constitution. Are we going to have a body that is just political? Because we've always tried to play by the rules. And if we can't get this done this time, I think everything changes. I think everything changes. There will be litmus tests. There will be people now that will say, how are you going to vote? How are you going to vote?

And I want to see evidence that that has been in your DNA from the beginning. because this has been a farce to the right for a very long time. Back in just a second. And not because they don't vote our way, but because they don't follow the Constitution. Patriot Mobile. Every war is filled with battles, and some you win, some you don't. That's why it's so important to make the ones you win really count. And right now, we're in an ideological war with leftism.

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There's a string of them where the cases overruled precedent, Brown v. Board, outlawed separate but equal. Baker versus Carr, which set the stage for one person, one vote. West Coast Hotel, which recognized the state's authority to regulate business. Miranda versus Arizona, which required police to give warnings when the right to remain silent and have an attorney present to suspects in criminal custody. Lawrence v. Texas, which said that the state may not prohibit same-sex conduct. Mapp v. Ohio, which held that the exclusionary rule applies to state criminal prosecutions

to exclude evidence obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment. Gideon v. Wainwright, which guaranteed the right to counsel in criminal cases. or Bergerfell, which recognized a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. I mean, he goes on... In each of those cases. Other than that, though, what does he have? Right. You know?

I mean, it goes on and on and on. On and on. And it shows that Kavanaugh may actually be fighting on our side. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's the hope, for sure. I mean, Breyer went to great extent to try to argue that this did not qualify as one of those types of cases. Mm-hmm. but I thought he failed, frankly, with that argument.

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law, that allows abortions up to 15 weeks. At 15 weeks, it bans all abortions, including rape or incest. And here's what Justice Roberts asked, which I think is a very logical question. If you think that the issue is one of choice, that women should have a choice to terminate their pregnancy, that supposes that there is a point at which they've had the fair choice, opportunity to choice, and why would 15 weeks be an inappropriate line? So, viability, it seems to me, doesn't have anything to do with choice. It doesn't. and the problem with viability is you're on the wrong side of history

because if you're arguing it's 24 weeks you're already wrong yeah they're already they're still arguing 24 weeks 24 weeks was the standard basically that was put in with Casey because because that was about the time that kids could live at that point we're at 20 weeks now let me give you a couple of the coolest dudes in the entire world Curtis means and Richard Hutchinson they're one year they're both one years old they both have the

the record and the record was broken by Curtis means for the youngest baby ever born to live to their first birthday and they were in 21 weeks right at the beginning of 21 weeks that just occurred these kids are thriving and you know there's pictures of them

having their little smash cake for their first birthday 21 weeks one of the kids that that is I can't remember it might be Curtis means, but I can't remember if it is or not. But the mother had to actually lie to the hospital about how long the baby had been baking in the oven to get them to treat the baby. Because the kid was so young that they were like, ah, there's no chance. And then they saved him anyway.

Wow. Because she had to lie. She had to lie and say, no, actually, it's 24 weeks. Because if it was 21 weeks, they weren't going to do anything. how many more kids could be saved. How many more? How many thousands? And that number is going to get closer and closer to conception. I mean, you know, it's not going to be conception, but that viability number is going to get closer and closer and closer. And you're on the wrong side of history. Here's Justice Alito on viability. Cut 22.

Alito was great, by the way. I mean, Alito and Thomas are pretty much the unquestioned. success stories here. Here he is. Look at the interest on the other side. The fetus has an interest in having a life. And that doesn't change, does it? From the point before

viability to the point after viability. In some people's view, it doesn't, Your Honor, but what the court said is that those philosophical differences couldn't be resolved in a way... That's what I'm getting at. What is the philosophical argument? The secular philosophical argument for saying

This is the appropriate line. There are those who say that the rights of personhood should be considered to have taken hold at a point when the fetus acquires certain independent characteristics. But viability is dependent on medical technology and medical practice. It has changed. It may continue to change. Now, when he's talking about philosophical arguments, Sotomayor runs. in to the defense. And here's what she says, cut 11. The viability line discounts and disregards state interests and the undue burden standard has all of the problems.

How is your interest anything but a religious view? The issue of when life begins has been hotly debated by philosophers since the beginning of time. It's still debated in religion. So amazing. So when you say this is the only right that takes away from the state the ability to protect the life, that's a religious view, isn't it? Because it assumes that a fetus is life at when? When? You're not joining.

When do you suggest we begin that way? I think the philosophical questions Your Honor mentioned, all those reasons that they're hard, they've been debated, they're, they're important. Those are all reasons to return this to the people, because the people should get to debate these hard issues. Yep. He's like, hey, Sotomayor, would you mind making my argument for me? Yeah.

And this is exactly the point that Mississippi is making, which is you can't take this away from the people and just put, again, even the Supreme Court disagreed with the Supreme Court standards. They keep saying, oh, well, you can't overturn Roe and Casey. Casey overturned Roe. Casey, yes, it said the fundamental findings of Roe remained. But they got rid of the trimester plan, which was what Roe versus Wade said. Hey, first trimester, you can't do anything.

Third trimester, you can put in lots of restrictions. It went through the whole process. And they changed that to viability. So the initial argument about abortion literally was not, did not mention viability really at all. And that point was made yesterday as well. Viability is a new standard they put in, in the, the 90s to justify their mistake from

the 70s and now we're supposed to act like now in the 2020s we're not allowed to come up with a new reading on this? So there is a non-religious view. Why don't we kill homeless people? Why don't we kill homeless people?

I mean, they don't have a good life. They have a horrible life. They're living under a bridge. Do you want to live under a bridge like that? Because they have a right to live. They have a right to live. Right. A fundamental right to live. Yeah, but I mean, you know, they're in and out of prison.

They're a drug addict. I mean, they're going to continue to spiral down. We do this all the time with abortion. We say, like, how many Albert Einstein's have we aborted? How many Chili's waiters have we aborted? Who cares what they do with their life? Correct. It's their life to do something with.

And that is the non-religious argument from the future like ours. It's that's the argument, the future like ours. We can't, we can't, we can't, we don't have the right to limit somebody's future because we think, that's not worth living. There's a lot of people that are very, very happy and fulfilled that we would look and go, I wouldn't want to live like that. We should pull the plug on that person, huh? The argument is your arrogance, your arrogance to disqualance. what some person wants in their future. You can't, you can't eliminate them because you don't think they have a future.

You can't abort people because they're people. And you don't know the arguments going back and forth that it happened early on that, oh, these children will have no life and who you, you're going to adopt them? You have no idea. There were people, I know one. I work with somebody who is had the childhood from hell. Mom and dad drug addicts, hard core drug addicts. Taken away, he and his sister and his brother taken away very young by the state.

Put in foster care. I mean, a movie style bad foster care system. He runs away at 12, I think, 13. He runs away from the last foster home. They don't report him because they want just the money. So they don't ever report that he's gone. They just keep taking the money. Wow.

And he knows that. That's hacking the system right there. Yeah. So he knows that. So he runs away. He's living on the streets. And when he gets old enough to go work at any store, any restaurant. He's working.

He's going to school himself. He's always playing. the shuffle with the parents. He goes in. He makes enough money to buy a little teeny apartment. He and his sister. He goes and gets his sister. He and his sister are living in the kitchen of this apartment.

They can't afford food. They can't afford heat. They can't afford electricity. But this has a gas stove. Think how dangerous this is. They turn on the gas stove all winter long and open it up so they can have heat. and they can sleep at night. All right.

You think this guy has a future? I work with this guy. He's one of the most optimistic, hardworking, entrepreneurs that I know. He is considered my, when we brought the family, my kids and I,

we went up to Tanya's parents' house and all of the family was around. And my son started talking about his brother. and all the aunts and nieces and nephews and uncles were like, oh, hang on just a second. You mean Tim who's married to your sister? And he said, no, my brother, my other brother. And he just kept talking like it was no big deal.

And they were like, wait, hold it. And now they're looking at us. Like, you have a son and you've not talked to us about that. That's how close he is to our family. I beg him to spend time around myself. because he's such a good role model. Don't tell me about somebody's life. You have no idea.

Their life may suck. They may be in prison, but they have today to make a different choice. That's not religious. That's just getting rid of humanity's arrogance to make the call for everyone else. And that story could go a totally different way, right? Where instead of that, the whole beginning is the same. and instead they wind up being a total slug and live at home and play Xbox all day. And guess what?

They still have the right to live. Still have a right. Whether they accomplish anything with their lives at all, you don't have the right to kill them because you think they might not do, they might do life wrong to your standards. Or they may not have a life that you agree with. How many elites, how many elites that you can think right now, you see how they, look at people in the center of the country. Do you think you could get five or ten?

You went to all the universities and everything, and I'm talking a low number here, five or ten intellectual progressive elites that you could gather together that would agree that there are many people in the red states that should just be liquidated because they're never, there are harm to society.

and they're just dragging us back into the Stone Age. I can guarantee you. The progressives want to do this too. Go back. They would have been abhorting every mixed race baby. They would have been abhorting every gay. Still. Someone who they believed were to be gay.

They already are doing this. It kills me that Nancy Pelosi comes out yesterday. And she's talking about how this is just racist. all of this in Mississippi is just racist. Really is it? Because it seems to me that when 27 African American women out of a thousand compared to 10 white women out of a thousand have an abortion, it seems like we're targeting African Americans more than we're targeting blacks. And gee, how is that? How did that happen?

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And there are three ways that this could could end. I mean, it would be wonderful if it had, if it had. so states had the rights to do whatever the people of that state wanted to do. But it also could end 3-33. All the justices, there's no majority. We have absolutely no idea. Now, why is the corporate media telling you that this is over? It's over.

I think Stu was right when he said it's all about hyping up. money and politics and getting people ready for the midterm elections. Yeah. Can you imagine what the media is going to look like if let's just say July 2020 Roe versus Wade is overturned in the United States. Can you imagine how good... Can you imagine

how good Donald Trump looks to the right? Can I have a great argument as to assuming he has three justices there, assuming they come through which would be probably necessary. I mean unless they took a half step would probably be necessary. But I think you'd get all three of them if this were to happen.

And if so, it's going to look very good. Very good for Donald Trump. So they're just, they're just ramping things up. Now, why? Because they believe it? No, because of politics. But there is another reason as well, because they are going to target the Supreme Court. this is going to be their angle to add more justices to the Supreme Court or to have some sort of time limit for justices to serve so they can pack the court. That's what the media is lining up right now, those arguments to change the Supreme Court in case it does dismantle Roe v. Wade. Hello America. We have the abortion court hearing to continue to talk about. We also have the latest from Twitter. And there is something going on that is not going to work out to our advantage. And it's way more than just who the guy is that replaced Jack at Twitter and their latest new little rule to protect everyone. I wait until you hear about that.

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But let's just say it does for a second. Let's just go down that road. It's supposed to come out in like July 2020, a few months before the midterm election. Yes. How does something like that affect politics? Well, first, can we start with what does it mean to overturn Roe versus Wade? Because I think that if this truth gets out, it changes that question. That's true.

I mean, we can overstate the importance of this, frankly, even as conservatives. Yes. You know, for example, the Mississippi law limits abortion to 15 weeks, by the way, written by a female nurse. So for all the idea of like, oh, well, these men keep trying to tell me about my body. Yeah, female nurse wrote the bill. Okay. So just zip it. I'm so sick of this crap.

But if you look at the 15 week bill, let's just say that was approved and Mississippi went to a 15 week plan. You can have abortions up till 15 weeks. That would still allow about 95% of abortions. Correct. However, I believe Mississippi is one of those that have already on the books like Texas does. If Roe versus Wade is ever overturned, it's automatically a no-eathing. abortion state. Let me take this step by step, though. What they're actually talking about is

Mississippi law that limits it to 15 weeks. About 95% of abortions happen before 15 weeks anyway. And you have to believe there's about 4% more that happened between 16 and 20 weeks. And my

guess is they move those up a few weeks, right? You're at most of the people that would normally have the abortion between 16 and 20 weeks, have it a little earlier before 15 weeks in this situation. That would bring you to about 99% of abortions. And then you're at a situation where there's still opportunity if you want to go past that to go to different states. Go to California. So what would this actually do? How many abortions would it actually prevent?

Would it turn us into the Handmaid's Tale and have a Gilead government cracking down on us so that women have no choice whatsoever and all these rights are taken away? No. Unfortunately, by the way, it would still result in pretty much everybody that wants to have an abortion, having an abortion. If Roe v. Wade were to get overturned completely, however, as you point out, many states, red states, have triggers in their constitution. Blue states have the opposite triggers, which automatically would make abortion illegal in their state. Various ways to do this, but basically, if that ruling comes down, in a bunch of people, of states, you just have it be illegal to have an abortion. And in states like California, for example, it would automatically become legal. So right off the bat, you wouldn't have,

you'd have a bunch of different changes in the law, but there would be states where it would be illegal. There's a pro-abortion group that came out with a map that said, here's what's going to happen. And they, I think this is optimistic from our point of view, said about 26 states would get rid of it. I think that's probably too high, but it's probably at least 20 states that would do it. But I'm taking their map because they're a pro-choice organization, and they see this as a violation of rights.

So what is the most arduous thing that could happen to a woman who wanted to have an abortion? What is the worst-case scenario? How far would you have to drive to get an abortion in the United States? the absolute farthest distance would be basically from southern Florida to North Carolina which is about a 12-hour drive.

Now, that's not nothing, right? It's probably a lot harder than it is today. What if you can't drive? You're a woman and you can't drive. Then you could fly in two hours. What if you don't have any legs to be able to, you know, get to the airport? Then I guarantee you there will be

a pro-choice organization that will transport you across the borders. and no hand so you can't answer the phone. You, hopefully you have an Alexa nearby and you can take the phone call that way. What if you're so poor and you live in a place where the internets are all so slow? See, these are the people you're not thinking of. That is definitely not the person I'm thinking of. But yes, there would certainly be a way there.

But my point, though, is that a two-hour flight, which by the way, costs less than the actual abortion, would be an option for you to fly into one of these states or you would have to take a you'd have to drive one day, have the operation, maybe stay over in a hotel and come back after that. It's not nothing, but is it honestly, honestly, do we actually claim that this is some massive violation? Even if you believe abortion is a, is a, I know,

but it's not honest is what I'm saying. No, I know that. If even if you believe abortion is a fundamental human, right, which is completely against all history and common sense. But if you do believe that, what you would have to do is invest a day or two in traveling to get one. And I guarantee you all of these organizations that say it's a human right and what your donations are going to accept donations from rich liberals all around the country to transport

these women to these places to do this. And they will just like you realize when you have different tax. laws on tobacco, there will be abortion huts popping up right on the border of all of these states to serve all of these people. I think that's a terrible outcome, but we have to recognize that it's real. What else is real is there are organizations that already exist overseas that will mail you abortion pills if you live in an area where they believe abortion is too restrictive. The rules against it are too restrictive. So it is going to be basically, impossible to eliminate this horror show by law.

The only solution to this long term. And this does not mean that we still go through this court process. We still make it illegal everywhere we can. We do everything we can to save even one life because that's really important. But the only way to make this horror show to go away in a real long-term fashion is to win the hearts and minds of people, to realize how terrible this is. if you made slavery legal tomorrow, no one would be getting slaves

because everyone recognizes that slavery is terrible, right? You have to win people over on this. You have to persuade them over a long period of time. I believe, honestly, that that will happen. I do believe eventually this country and this world will eventually see this process for what it is. So it's going to take a long time. All right.

So that is why our, that's why Planned Parenthood is in our schools right now. They're in our schools. right now. This is why this is all being jammed down their throats because they believe you have to win the hearts and minds of kids and the next generation.

And they are doing that effectively. Now your original question to me was, what does this mean politically? Yeah, what is this? How does this affect the 2022 election? Because I will say that I think it could honestly cost Republicans the election. Fine.

I think that's where I am too. You know, you want to say, if that's the cost, of getting rid of Roe versus Wade, then that's the cost of getting rid of Roe versus Wade. Okay, here's the thing. Here's what's going to happen if it was overturned. And again, we're looking at July. The media is going to hype this as if it's a loss already for the left. They'll be doing that now until the court comes out. They are going to be saying, you know, we're going to be living, you know, the handmaid's tail. It's coming. It's coming. It's coming. just to juice the left up. That's what's going to happen now. And it already is. If it does turn out that they don't take any half measures,

which I don't know, I can't find them in the court case yesterday, at least, they're going to have to decide it either stands, Minnesota, the viability thing is either good or we're going to stick to Roe versus 1. Wade, one or the other. And it will have abortion huts on all of the borders of states that don't do abortion. It's a horrible outcome. You're going to see the biggest thing is a bigger divide in America. And this is why I said, okay, if it costs 2022, I know this is dangerous to say, because we can't afford to lose 2022.

But this is a sole thing. If we are on the side of saving children, and we are, these are babies. These are children. This is the second leading cause of death in America, abortion. It's between heart disease and the third is cancer. Abortion is number two. Think of the souls and the blood that is on all of our hands.

So if we lose, fine, so be it. That may be the sacrifice that we give up and say, Lord, can you help protect us again, please? Because we may lose. We really need some divine providence to happen here. And I would rather trust God than the voting machine. quite honestly and I'd rather position myself on his side and the side of history. You just have to know we are on the right side of history.

Science is going to continue to move that line of viability back further and further and further. People are going to see in the end what a monstrosity this really is. I believe truly that in 100 years, we are going to be looked back on as barbarians. They really just killed all their children. It was the second leading cause of death and people didn't even talk about it. We are going to be looked at as barbarians. So what's going to happen? You're going to have a deeper divide.

And you're going to see the death cult get stronger. They are because you know and I know that when it says 15 weeks, if they decide that the Mississippi law stands, that means that you can now have states decide we're not doing abortion or we are. Everyone knows that Mississippi is not going to say 15 weeks. If they're really free, they're going to say no abortion. Texas, no abortion. and there's several states that will say no abortion. They're not going to say in the blue states, oh, abortion as it is. They too have an agenda.

They want abortions after birth. So you're going to see states that go further in the other direction. You're going to see evil increase in those states. guarantee it guarantee it they've already told you that's what they want let the baby be born

and then the mother has a time period where she can decide whether she wants to keep it or not they've already said that in Virginia and in New York so I personally like to know what I'm dealing with and I believe that we are not

fighting flesh and bone we're not fighting our neighbors. We're not fighting the Democrats. We're fighting evil. Evil has a chokehold on a lot of people right now. And I'd rather have all of the people who aren't captivated by evil yet before they get sucked in because it's awfully seductive and easy. I'd much rather have it exposed. So the good people can remain good people and say, yeah, we're not part of that at all because look at the death this is. They said that they were just standing up. They're not.

They're now killing babies after birth. Get out of there. And I think that's a stand. I am perfectly comfortable to take. Back in just a minute. If this, if you have children or grandchildren, if these books are not under your Christmas tree, you are missing out.

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That's going to take the reins off because the Supreme Court won't have to decide. Yeah. That's why I don't think the principle of this is, you know, sending it to the states. While that is obviously at the very least what should happen, I mean, it should not be legal to kill your children. I was thinking about this. If you had like a matrix-like dystopian future where you would describe this process, If we were aliens that came down from another planet and saw that movie, we'd think, oh, that's a no society would ever do that.

It really is insane. You know, people that are totally innocent in every way are just being eliminated from society constantly to the tune of 62 million in the United States alone. And by the way, overwhelmingly out of proportion toward minorities. as you pointed out. Three to one. Three to one. And they're making the argument today that if you take this away, you're taking away the rights mainly of minorities. Yeah. Yeah, we want them to live.

Yeah. We want more. Here's the thing. I know we're so racist. But here's the thing. The result of our policy means tens of millions of black people being alive. Three to one. What's the result of your policy?

Right. All I know is that there's tens of millions of black people that should be here right now. interacting with us, voting, doing all the things that they want to do with their lives. And you know where they are? Nowhere because of you. That's not our racism that did that. That's you. That's your policy on the left that eliminated tens of millions of black people.

Three to one. It's almost as if it was by design. We are living in the Matrix. I know what that means. And people have dismissed it. You know, Zuckerberg's like, well, there's chance we are already living in the Matrix. We are, just not in the way it was portrayed in the movie.

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Say, hey, listen, I just want to know, you know, the ground rules here before we talk. I want to know if we have enough in common to be able to discuss things. because if we don't have this in common, then we're just going to argue. And I'd rather just be your friend. And the question is, do you agree with the Bill of Rights? Do you agree with the Bill of Rights? Because if you agree with the Bill of Rights, so many of our problems leave the political realm and become very clear, very common sense.

Do you believe in the Bill of Rights? That's why it's so dangerous when politicians say, this isn't about your freedom. Yes, it is. Because once you start cutting the corners of the bill of rights, all freedoms are lost because it's a little here and a little there and a little here and then a little more over here. And it's all gone. And that's the point we're at.

Let me give you an example. Should the government be able to close you down and drive you out of business without compensation, and I mean real compensation. I think the lawsuits against the federal government is you put my business out of business and you should pay for my business because you took it from me and you wouldn't let me open up. And if I tried to stay alive, then you came in and you put all kinds of fines on me. You even threatened me with jail time. I'm going to give you a story that this woman, all she did is she has a restaurant.

She tried to keep it open. She faces criminal charges for staying open during COVID-19 mandates. Her jury trial is coming up on Monday. She could go to prison. This is insane. Lisa Hansen is with us now. Hello, Lisa. Hi, Glenn.

Thank you so much for having me on your show. I can't believe. I mean, most of us feel, you know, live in Texas. COVID is not a thing anymore. It just doesn't bother people down here anymore. Where are you? Tell me the story of what happened. So I guess just if I can start off with this, Glenn,

I just want to be very clear to your listening audience. And this has been my message all along. You know, in the beginning when all this took place, this is never, the fight that I'm fighting has never been just about me and my company. If it had just been about me and my company, I would have just closed my doors and walked away and figured out how to pay off the debt, you know, quietly and gone off into the, you know, great blue yonder or whatever. But this has been about the people of Minnesota and really for the people of the United States

of America. I'm thinking here our children and our grandchildren. So just to be clear, that's what this is all about. There's no way I would have fought this fight just for little old me. So what happened, Glenn, back in last year 2020, you know, the governor, our governor, Governor, Governor Walz, closed down bars and restaurants and some other small businesses, the first part of the year, early in the year, and I complied. Second shutdown, and I didn't survive.

The business, somehow we kept our doors open. We did everything we could do, you know, as entrepreneurs, we could try to figure it out. But I said, I can't survive a second shutdown of you. does this again, which he did. He shut us down the second time in November of 2020, told my husband, I said, I'm either shutting down permanently, closing my doors forever, or I am opening up fully because what he's doing, what the state is doing against us is wrong. So I guess it, you know, chose to open up fully because that was the right thing to do. And it was the right thing to do for our kids, for our grandkids. I have eight kids. I have nine grandkids with three

on the way, and I'm thinking of them and future generations and everybody else's kids and grandkids, right? This is America. So once I opened back up fully, stopped following the unlawful mandates that are not law. Governor can't make laws. The state comes after me hard and heavy and files criminal and civil charges against me. And that's what I've been dealing with. And we're going on almost a year now. It was December 16th last year when I opened my doors fully the day after I got a cease and desist from the state. And in Minnesota, I just want to make sure in Minnesota, the governor has no right to enact a law and no authority with the executive branch to enforce even the emergency orders.

Is that right? Absolutely right. He has no authority. The executive branch has no authority to enforce his executive orders. He didn't even have, he calls it an act of nature, which in 2005, the legislation actually took away the power or the authority for governor to enact an act of nature. Emergency. The emergency order, yeah, due to for emergency order. right? So instead he in his executive order, he calls it, excuse me, not active nature. I'm using the wrong terminology here. He called it an active nature, but in the next sentence in his executive order, if you'll look at it,

it is actually, he refers to the federal government calling it a health emergency. So which that, the health emergency is what the legislature removed from the governor to be able to enact that sort of mandate. So anyway, we have so much corruption on every level. Not only is, you know, the executive branch, I guess the best way to describe what's happening

is that the judiciary is in lockstep with the executive branch in allowing the governor to usurp the limitations of power that are placed upon him by the state and federal constitutions. So the judicial corruption involved, are in my case cases involves a refusal to address legal issues, absolute refusal, that have answered, if they were answered by a truly independent judiciary,

having the duty to protect the rights of the people from the usurpation of the power by the legislative and executive branches, it would destroy the power structure that now has the people serving the government contrary to the original order of sovereignty of Godman government. That's really what we're dealing with. Your problem in Minnesota is you've got George Soros affecting your judiciary, and you also have Keith Ellison as your attorney general. I mean, you're in trouble up there.

Those are two major problems, aren't they? Yes, they are. They are. Yeah. Yeah. So what we have as far as the judiciary process here is, You know, I've had a very, I work with a great team, a National Action Task Force. They've been, you know, helping me as I'm going through this.

And I present as Sue Juris, or some people might want to say pro se. And so I don't have a lawyer. And the reason that I'm doing that, and I think this is really important, Glenn, what I've seen from other folks in the state of Minnesota going through the same thing that I am, where they defied the governor's suggestion to shut down, you know, the state comes after them. They hire a lawyer. What I'm seeing happening is they're losing their cases.

They're making plea deals with the government. And I said that's not going to do what we are looking for is we're looking for a return of liberties and freedoms in the state of Minnesota. So. And so the only way to be able to do that is to go into this court of law without an attorney because attorneys are so dang limited. So I'm, I just, you know, I've watched enough. Mattlock and and enough, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, a law to know not having an attorney is usually frowned upon. And especially in the state of Minnesota, they don't like it when you step outside of the, uh, the rules of their game. And so they have tried to force me. In fact, in the civil case, Glenn, I'll, I'll let you know this. The civil case has actually been ruled upon by a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, judge. and he ruled he would not allow me, listen to this, I'm a single shareholder, I own my company, I'm the only shareholder. He would not allow me to represent my company that was being sued by the state. Although, even though the statute, the Minnesota statute clearly allow a single shareholder to represent their company,

He would not allow it. And so therefore, I was not allowed in the courtroom. And therefore, I have what? That's an $18,000 fine or a sanction against me because I supposedly lost that case because he would not allow me. He wouldn't follow the law and allow me to represent my company. This is insane what's going on. You're looking at, what, almost three years in jail. Right.

right uh-huh it's a real possibility 810 days how i say 800 and 10 days yeah up to 9000 dollars in fines um so so pre-trial happened last week uh the day before thanksgiving we went into pretrial it was probably i was told it was the long one of the longest pre-trials or maybe the longest pre-trial in the history of one of the uh deputies that was there uh uh watching over the case and uh there's almost a three-hour pre-year pre-year trial. The reason it was so long is because there are so many legal constitutional statutory legal issues on the record and I went point by point by point with the judge. Now in a pretrial, according to statute, the judge is required to hear and to make determinations.

Correct. At that pretrial. Correct. No determination was made. Zero determinations were made. Now I'm going into pretrial on Monday, December 6th with no, sorry, not pre-trial, jury trial. I'm going into jury trial on Monday, December 6th. I have no determinations have been made, no rulings have been made, no answers have been given to me on all my legal issues. And I did send you that document. I know it's a lot to go through, but it's really interesting to see how this is all playing out. It's as if there's no rule of law anymore. The judge should have, and you know what, Glenn, I still have no. Today is Thursday, a week later. I still have no, determination from the judge on so how are you supposed to be i mean is a judge just going to tell you

oh yeah you can't bring that up you can't do that during the trial what i wouldn't be surprised i won't be surprised and i will stand on my constitutional and common law rights i will absolutely stand on the on what is what is is given to us as as the people um i'm going to hold his his feet to the fire and and he's he's he's got to do one of two things he's got to do one of two things he's got to allow me to present my defense. I have the right to defend myself. So let me ask you, is there is, is, is there video allowed in this trial? I mean, do they have a camera that you can get public access for?

Well, well, if I understand you correctly, no, there's no video, no audio allowed in this public trial, mind you. Find out about that because I would love to, I'd love to have some attorneys watch this. This should be seen. If not, I'd like to know somebody who is a real journalist that is on the freedom side that could actually go to the court, or maybe there's somebody in our audience that is a very good attorney that could go sit in the court and give us a blow by blow on what's happening in your case. I've got to run, but I do want to say this. She has set up a GoFundMe page. Her goal is to raise $30,000 as of Wednesday afternoon.

That was yesterday. $12,000 have been raised. What is the go fund me page? It's GoFundMe slash we the people together. And that's a hyphen in between. We hyphen the hyphen people hyphen together. We the people together. Gofundme.com. Thank you so much, Lisa.

We will follow up on this and let you know what is going on. And if there's anything we can do to help you, let us know. Again, gofundme.com slash we the people. Having a cybercriminal come along and steal your identity and all your money, you know, I love it just as much as the next guy. But let me give you a piece of advice. If you get lifelocked today, you won't have to worry about that. Now, that doesn't mean that, you know, somebody's not going to try to hack in or steal something,

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Roe versus Wade yesterday from Mississippi and in the Supreme Court. going to talk to him about that, stand by for that. I wonder if he can find this right in the Constitution. Maybe he's been able to locate it. There is also the audio, if we have it and if we have time to play it, the NBC News Audio. This is coming from the written house jury trial where NBC had one of their reporters and photographers trying to follow the jury van. They said in a statement, they never did that. They never did that.

That's not one. This is the actual audio and video from the cop's vest. Look at this. What significance of you being here? I worked for NBC. NBC? Yeah. Okay.

You're a reporter? Preducer? Producer? Okay. All right. Yeah. I stopped him going through a red light. So were you following a vehicle?

I was trying to see. I was being called by New York going maybe. We need to follow up, but I don't know. I was trying to... You're trying to what? Just do what they told me to do. New York told you to follow a vehicle? Yeah.

What, your offices in New York or what? That's right. How did they know about this vehicle? It's discreet. I wasn't like, you know, talked to anybody. Just trying to find a location. That's all. That's incredible.

So remember NBC died of somebody. he's told to follow this vehicle from his offices in New York. No. Is the NBC office in New York? The NBC office in New York. They get them on the phone. This cop gets them on the phone. And NBC says, yeah, we're following the jury.

No. I've heard a lot of people talk about what happened in the Supreme Court yesterday. There is only one person I really trust, who I think really knows. and could also very well be the next Supreme Court Justice. It's Mike Lee, Senator from Utah. He has clerked for, I think, two of the Supreme Court justices. One of them, I think, just passed away, but he's clerked for two of them. He knows these guys, and he's going to give us his read on what happened yesterday with Supreme Court in 62nd.

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Hi, Mike. Hello. Good to be with you. Yeah, good to have you. So tell me, I can't wait to hear. Long arguments made yesterday. They made it a great case against Roe and against Cate. I pointed out in the front of the court brief that I submitted along with Senators Hawley

and Cruz, a constitutional case to be made for Rowan Casey, nor is there a case for applying stare decisis, deferring to the court's own prior precedent here, because that precedent has proven so unworkable. Shoot the lower courts, let alone the Supreme Court itself can't even agree on what Roe and Casey mean and what its outer bound limits are. And for that very reason, it can't stand. But there's a reason for that. When you make something up out of whole cloth, when it has no foundation at all in the Constitution or in 500 years of Anglo-American jurisprudence, things are going to get really messed up. And that's exactly what has happened. I think yesterday a compelling case was made for the fact that Rowan Casey will be overruled and that the Mississippi law will be upheld.

So in your conclusion on this Amicoot's brief, you say the status quo is unattainable, where legal documents. has repeatedly failed to offer clarity where it is proved unworkable in the past and will likely engender unpredictable consequences in the future. Its existence constitutes an open invitation to judges to interpret it according to their own policy preferences usurping the constitutional prerogatives of the legislature. That actually, I think, is the other side feels kind of the same way that you can't have, you cannot have a halfway measure here. It's either all in or all out.

Yeah, I think that's right. And I think the answer has to be all in. The reason, Glenn, is this is a legislative determination. It is not a judicial one. It's not rooted in the Constitution. And to be very, very clear, it's important to remind ourselves that overturning Roe and Casey, does not mean that abortion would all of a sudden automatically be unlawful throughout the United States of America.

Doesn't make it illegal, doesn't make it criminal. It simply says people can decide these things through their elected lawmakers. And the folks in Mississippi have decided that they want to protect unborn human life after 15 weeks of development, after the baby has developed eyelids and fingers and toes, and the baby can suck her thumb. other states might decide to do differently. I suspect that the abortion laws in Massachusetts and New York post-overturning of Rowan Casey would look different from those in Mississippi or Utah. I think, Mike, I think they're going to. That's what we live in.

That's our former government. I think that we are looking at the, you know, because we're not going to limit it 15 weeks. If this is overturned, Texas and Mississippi, they're going to say, no, no abortion here. but you're going to see the opposite in California and Massachusetts and New York. You're going to see, yeah, well, maybe I can kill them after they're, after they're born. Because that's really where they're going. It's a death cult. And that's really where they're headed.

That's what they want. And I think you're going to see, I think you're going to see some real crazy but eye-opening decisions in states if this is overturned. Would you agree with that? Yes, I think that's absolutely right. That's how the Constitution works. People are allowed to enact foolish, crazy, ridiculous laws in their respective states. Not every bad idea is unconstitutional. And no matter how bad their laws get in this area, it doesn't mean that they can't do it. Our constitutional structure is set up in such a way is to allow people to enact the laws that they deem appropriate,

subject to certain limitations imposed on the states by the Constitution as long as you don't transgress one of those. And abortion isn't on the list of things that states can't do in the Constitution, then you're okay. So when you had, I think it was Kagan yesterday, that said,

you know, there's lots of things. Now, it was Sotomayor. There's a lot of things that are not in the Constitution. I actually cheered for that because they were going for what specifically, what right in the Constitution is being violated. And they couldn't really come up with one. They asked several times, what is it that you're saying is constitutionally protected here? And Sotomayor came out and said, well, there's lots of things that aren't in the Constitution.

Well, yes, doesn't that make the case for Mississippi that it goes back according to the 10th Amendment to the people and the states. By the way, speaking of Justice Sotomayor, I thought she was very tone-deaf on this and so many issues. One low light of the entire conversation was when Justice Sotomayor very offensively stated that a baby's reaction to painful stimuli in the womb does not necessarily indicate that the child, in fact, feels pain.

And she referenced people in vegetative states that have some muscle movement, the painful stimulus. What the heck is that supposed to mean? Hang on just a second. Let me play that cut. Cut 18 from Sotomayor. Here's what he's talking about. The literature is filled with episodes of people

who are completely and utterly plain dread responding to stimuli. There's about 40% of dead people who, if you touch their feet, the foot will recoil. There are spontaneous acts by dead brain people. So I don't think that a response to, by a fetus, necessarily proves that there's a sensation of pain or that there's consciousness.

Well, what position, A, the science will show that's not true. Follow the science. I hate to say that. the science will show that's not true. But what in her judicial role, Mike, gives her thought that maybe that's a good constitutional point to throw out there? Hesitate to answer the question because it's so gruesome. But I think she somehow thinks that unless a person is able to communicate with the world, if they are in a vegetative state, or if they are, as she put it, dead brain people. I don't know what a dead brain.

person is, I assume she meant brain dead people, that they're not human life. See, that's, that's the essence of what we're dealing with here. We're dealing with human beings who are deemed less than human. Glenn, bad things happen in any civilization. Bad things have happened in our civilization whenever we have allowed societies to treat some people as not human. That's exactly what's happening here. And they've made it up out of whole cloth. Look, we need to get back to the Constitution here, and we need to allow elected lawmakers to make laws, not nine lawyers pressed up in robes. I will tell you this, Mike, that I really believe – I read an article that said pretty much the same thing today from the Federalist, that the response will be in the end from the right, Mike Lee, that Mike Lee – will be the next Supreme Court justice.

If this fails, we are so fed up with, you know, giving and, well, we're just going to trust, and we didn't really know for sure. We want to know. We want to know. It's time to know. Do you believe that that is a constitutionally protected right or not? And if you say, no, it's not great. If you say, well, I'm not sure.

I wouldn't want to speak out about it. Goodbye. It's time to know that our Supreme Court justices understand the Constitution and read it the same way as the people who are electing the president to choose that person. A novel concept for us to know that. It's especially important when you look in an era in which judges have taken upon themselves the mantle of lawmakers. I look forward to the day warned that's no longer the case. But I want to be very clear. This is that case. This needs to happen now in this case.

There isn't really going to be a better opportunity than this case. If they try to find a middle ground on this one, if they try to preserve Rowan Casey while upholding this law, it doesn't work. Why? Not going to work. Because we will be saddled with the same infirm foundations that we've had for 48 years. Look, there were 19 years that passed between when Roe was decided in 1973 and Casey was decided in 1992. The time that was, that decision was rendered, Justice Kennedy proclaimed for the court, oh, okay, the debate is finally over.

We're finally putting this to rest. 19 years after Roe, 29 years have now elapsed since Casey to now. It hasn't been put to rest. And it hasn't been because it's built on nothing. And you can't take a debatable matter in society and render it beyond debate while quoting the Constitution unless what you're quoting from the Constitution actually supports what you say it does. This isn't going away. This case has to be decided. And that decision has to involve overturning Roe versus Wade.

Looking at their case on the other side fairly from their perspective, Can you find anything in what they say that ties to the Constitution? Not the way you read it, but the way they read it. Can you find? Because I couldn't find it yesterday. And I think that Thomas and others were like, where? What are we talking about? Can you find what they're saying is constitutionally protected?

No, no. You can't find it. And have they articulated anything? Yeah. Yeah, well, if they explain it. Now, very rarely, when you try to pin someone down, will they go through all the motions to explain it? But if you did, if you could, for those who could go through the analysis, they couldn't do it without falling back on these really weird terms, talking about emanations, collectively overlapping and forming penumbras, going out from freestanding existing constitutional protections that are themselves broad enough to cover privacy within the marital bedroom extending to the killing of an unborn child. Those kinds of verbal gymnastics are what you have to go through, adding inference upon inference based on language that's not even in the Constitution.

That's how they got to the Fifth Amendment. I think because I heard them quote the Fifth Amendment, I'm looking at it. I'm like, there's nothing in the Fifth Amendment that would even remotely cover abortions. is there okay so so they would have been more likely referring to the due process clause of the 14th amendment we're dealing with a state law here the 14th amendment's due process clause deals with the states the fifth amendment's due process clause deals with Congress with the federal government and so they they believe that it's an outgrowth of due process therefore the 14th amendment's version of the due process clause and that due process one

read in conjunction with other freestanding protections in the Bill of Rights, uh, uh, it includes abortion because there are emanations from each of those freestanding, uh, protections in those form penumbra's of these shadowy things. It makes no sense. Look, when, when my, when my twin boys, James and John were in junior high, I required them to read Briswold v. Connecticut, which was the predecessor case to Roe versus Wade. I put them in different parts of the house.

I wanted them to read it and just see what they, They could both recognize in junior high that this was made up. That this was like an insult to verbal gymnastics. These were contortions. They were deceptions. Let me pretend I didn't know that. Let me pretend I didn't know that case by heart. What was the name of it again?

You had your sons read? Connecticut. What is it? Yes, Griswold versus Connecticut. Okay. I'm going to read that. I'm sure this is discussed all the time of the dinner table. Oh, yeah.

And my kids, I had them read it. You know, long before, York, I had him read it in fourth grade, but that's a different story. Real quick, guys, I've got to go to a network break. But, Mike, how does this end, do you think? I believe it ends with the overturning of Roe versus Wade. I think there will likely be five votes, possibly six, to overturn Roe and Casey. The Supreme Court, the nine justices alone, no staff, anyone else, will meet tomorrow afternoon in private to discuss the case. The case will then be more or less decided. We won't know what the outcome is until likely

late June. Wow. So, Mike, if you're a praying person, I'd encourage you to pray for the court between now and tomorrow. Thank you so much. God bless you, Mike. Thanks. Thank you. Senator Mike Lee from Utah, and I hope someday a Supreme Court justice. Let me tell you about American financing. NMLS 1-8-2334. www. nm.s.comus consumer access.org. One of the things that you should value most in life is peace of mind, and that is really hard to come by these days. American financing has been helping people just like you find financial peace of mind helping you to do whatever it is you need to do, like lowering your rate, paying off debt, or financing a new home, guiding you through a straightforward mortgage experience without any pressure. No upfront fees, no hidden fees.

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I like the optimism. I do too. From Mike Lee. And Mike is not an optimistic guy when it comes to the Supreme Court usually. Yes. I mean, I've talked to him, you know, through Obamacare and everything else. And he's like, look, this is what it says, but I don't think they're going. I don't, this is what should be done, but I don't think they're going to do that.

Well, this is, as he pointed out, the opportunity, right? I don't think my whole life that I remember an opportunity like this. in the Casey case was in the 90s and really the last chance to take this on just, you know, full force. But this is a court that was, you know, actually seems to look at the Constitution and care about what's inside of it. And they don't get everything right, but it's going that way. It's going that way. This is the first real example where they could set something right. You know, it's rare that you see something.

this big go back to the people. And that's, that's all that we're arguing about here. Really. It's all the case is about. That's all this case is about. It's not about abortion. It's about who decides this philosophical buzzsaw.

We don't like to talk about it because everybody has a different point of view. And that's what this case really is all about. do these nine people have the right to make the decision about something so divisive as this, where people don't really know, or should it be left into the hands as close to the people as possible? Because the people in New York might think something different than the people here in Texas. And I know the people in Texas think different thoughts than they do in California. and why should we have to live under the California kind of mindset

and have them rule over our conscience? And why should Texans have their conscience rule over the people that are living in New York? And that's the case they're making to the Supreme Court. Yes. That I don't believe is the correct principle in this particular matter. I think this is murder. So it's different. You don't get to make up your own state laws.

We're going to allow it. Right. But that is the argument. that's in the front of the Supreme Court. It's not about abortion. It's about do you get to decide or these nine old people? This is the glen. It's that time of year again.

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I want to say hello to a very dear friend of mine. Somebody I have more respect for than almost anybody I know. His name is Edwin Black. He is the host of the podcast, The Enwin Black Show. He is the author of IBM in the Holocaust. And a book that I am rereading right now, The Far Hood, which is everybody should read this book. It's phenomenal. what you will learn about history that you had no idea.

We talked about having him on a few days ago for the anniversary of, and I'm going to butcher this, Edwin, I'm sorry, Yamha-Girush. You didn't butcher it at all. You pronounced it perfectly. Okay. You're such a good liar. Well, I am not familiar with the day of expulsion.

Can you tell me what that is? Yes. The day of expulsion, Yom Ha-Gir-Rou shush, is actually a commemoration day that I personally proclaimed and conceived. It denotes the sad tragedy of some 15 Arab countries publicly and prominently, and in a coordinated fashion, expelling some 850,000 of their Jewish residents, penniless and stateless, many of whom were forced by this move to be airlifted on emergency basis to Israel. It was forgotten by many in the community. I resurrected it when I brought the Farhood and the Arab Nazi alliance to the

four. And in 2014, the Israeli government decided that this would be a worldwide observance of this expulsion, but it had no name. And the word Yombollah, Hamha Ghirush means day of the expulsion. And in conjunction with my colleagues, I was able to get identification and identity for this November 30th, for November 30th, which we just observed and forevermore as the day of regret when 850,000 men, women, and children, many of whom their families had lived in these countries for 2700 years. were summarily expelled without a penny to their name and stateless and had to be rescued.

What year did this happen? This happened. It was warned. It was on the front page of the New York Times. It was done in broad daylight. It was argued at the U.N. This occurred just after the partition vote, UN Resolution 181, that said there would be two states, a Jewish state and an Arab state, Now, at that time, the word Palestinian only meant a Jewish Zionist. In 1964, there was identity theft, and the Arabs in the area, with the help of the KGB, which had invented the Palestine Liberation Organization, expropriated the name Palestinians. And so this occurred just within five years of the world learning that six million Jews

had been exterminated by the Nazis. And ironically, the only international organization that helped the Nazis in their persecution of the Jews was the international Arab community through the Arab Higher Committee, and that was led by the mafia of Jerusalem al-Husani. Edwin, I have to have you back in studio with me, because we have, we have, we've collected a few things from the Arab Nazis that are just phenomenal. I show it to people when they come by in a tour and they're like, wait, wait, what? And it's just the history that is not taught.

You will completely unlock the understanding of what's happening in the Middle East and be able to see good versus evil so clearly when you understand. the pretty recent history of the Nazi influence in the Middle East. Could you just, let me change subjects here for just a second. IBM and the Holocaust, you were on with me, I think, for a podcast, and we went over, oh gosh, what was his name, the guy from, that was the head of IBM during World War II? Watson. I'm a Jay Watson. Okay.

Can you just quickly in two minutes? tell the story. I mean, it's important to understand Watson is the name of the IBM computer that they are now using to diagnose people. This is going to be the replacement for your doctor. And I believe it's, A, a good thing,

and B is going to happen. But it will be able to look at all of disease and everybody's records and be able to go, that's probably what, you have and it'll be much more accurate. But it's called Watson. And what's terrifying about this is the arrogance of IBM and the people involved with this to call it Watson. Because who was he, Edwin? Well, Thomas J. Watson, well, first of all, yes, we need every medical advance and every

medical automation that we can possibly invent. But it doesn't need to be named for a sociopathic war criminal, Thomas J. Watson, who was a convicted extortionist before he ever came to IBM, and who personally micromanaged the collaboration with the Third Reich that automated all six phases of the Holocaust, that's the identification of the Jews, the expulsion from society, the confiscation of their assets, their ghettoization, their deportation on trains, and even their extermination. My book IBM and the Holocaust just hit its 20th anniversary. Now, the comma has been changed.

IBM over the past two decades. We've lost him. Are you there? No, you're breaking up. You said after two decades, Not a comma has changed, even though IBM has fought you. No, IBM has been silent. They have never denied a single.

Their surrogates, their surrogates in the press have fought you. Oh, yes. Of course. But the book has withstood the test of time. Not a single comma has been changed. IBM has never privately or publicly denied any sentence within the book. And remember, Thomas J. Watson received a medal from Adolf Hitler in Berlin. That was invented specifically to honor the single foreigner who was.

the most helpful to the third right. So it is really frightening because it's not just history that people don't know. And now this is what they're calling their medical device at IBM, named after him. He was instrumental and knew, absolutely knew what was going on in the concentration camps. IBM people were repairing those things every two weeks. And Edwin has all of the documents in this book. But it's also. not just for history, it is for

the future. Look at where, look at how these giant information companies, Facebook, Google, all of these companies are now working hand in hand and helping the Chinese round

people up for their concentration camps. Nothing has happened. Nothing has changed. IBM and the Holocaust. Well, Google and the internment, of the Uyghurs. We know that's a genocide. They haven't changed because nobody's been ever held responsible for it.

Am I wrong, Edwin? There is no question that those who state never again have been shocked to certify that never again is now and now means the Uyghurs. The Uyghurs, there's probably a million of them have been rounded up. their children have been seized, their women have been sterilized in rapes, they're in concentration camp, there's forced labor, and what we are seeing is we're seeing an MBA and a LeBron James who take a knee pad and with a shoe made by slave labor and Uyghur cotton in communist China. Okay, let me ask you one last question.

We last time you were on, I think the radio program, we had just done a podcast with you where you laid out the, I can't remember, seven or eight steps to the Holocaust. And you said you could have even all seven steps in place, but still be a long way away from the Holocaust. So it doesn't guarantee anything. Have we since we spoke maybe a year ago? are we closer or further away? Which direction are we headed? That's a weird time for it to cut off. Is he there?

He's there. Okay, there you are. Go ahead. Wrong direction. Okay. If we're breaking up again, let me just take a quick break, see if we can get a better connection with him.

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Edwin, you lined up all of the steps of the Holocaust. Can you go through those, what is it, seven or eight steps? Yes, I will. But just to answer your question before we were cut, off whether we're getting closer or further away from the events that occurred during World War II. The answer is we're going in the wrong direction. The first step that IBM outlined in concert with Hitler's request for a final solution

was identification. Well, everyone is now identified. The second step... Wait, wait, wait, wait. And we are going worse on that. This talk of these biometric passports is really, I mean, that's Hitler's dream. Yes. What might occur over years has now taken place within a matter of months, and that is the identification

of everyone, not only who they are, who they know, but where they are, and probably where they have been and where they are going from step one is identification step to is exclusion once people are are identified they're excluded from society in the case of of the Nazis the Jews were fired of from their jobs they were kicked out of associations step three is expropriation properization special fines seizure of assets a criminalization of conduct with financial penalty. Wow. We have, since we talked, we have made massive progress in the wrong direction on all three of those.

Massive. Well, I just heard that it might be Austria. I'm not sure. One of the overseas countries is planning on fining people $4,000 if they've not yet been vaccinated. The next step after plopperization is ghettoization. And I should say that in the northern territories of Australia, they're now speaking of creating camps for the unvaccinated, especially among the Aborigines.

Obviously, nobody wants to get into step five and step six. Step five was deportation. and step six is extermination. IBM assisted in that, but of course, that's not even a discussable matter at this point. Right. And those last two, even if we have six out of the seven, it's still not what the Nazis did.

And we still can turn it around. But it becomes more and more difficult because if you get the wrong people in power on either side, You get the wrong people in power, and they turn this machine on. And what happened over a decade and a half, or a decade for sure, in Germany, happens overnight, overnight. We are several horizons away from an irretrievable step. Right now, there is absolutely time to seize control of the situation. to reverse the situation.

I was just writing yesterday that in my book War Against Week, which you know on eugenics, in Connecticut in 1938, the governor had organized a program where people went door to door, made a public health assessment of their eugenic or genetic health. And then those who did not fare, they planned to expel

into the Ozarks, to special camps. Isn't that crazy? I mean, if you haven't, if you don't know any of this, you need to read Edwin Black's books. IBM and the Holocaust, the war on the week is unbelievable. Edwin Black, the Edwin Black show.

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