The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 01/29/2021 - HOUR 1 - Deshaun Watson, Rod Woodson & Lebron James

Episode Date: January 29, 2021

In hour one of The Herd, Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin and gives his takes on the ongoing saga in Houston between Deshaun Watson and the Texans. Former NFL player Rod Woodson believes that the Texans shouldn't look to trade Deshaun Watson. And Doug feels that we need to have more congruent arguments with superstars, specifically Lebron James. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am Doug Gottlieb. You can follow me on Twitter, on the bird, on the bird at Gottlieb show. And we got a lot, we got a lot of good stuff to get into. Let me, let me start with this. So it has been iterated and reiterated. You ever notice that nobody ever iterates anything?

Nobody ever says, let me iterate something. I want to iterate this thought. No, we only reiterate that thought. And I understand that reiteration is saying something that you've already said, but it is interesting that nobody ever iterates. They just reiterate. But Sean Watson apparently, reiterated that he wants to be traded to the media over the last couple of days, right?

Shannon Sharp had it. Other NFL reporters had it. And by all accounts, this was simply a reiteration of something that he and his agent had relayed to the Texans previous to, well, the past week and a half, which is odd, right? Because a good portion of what we were told was the disconnect with the culture of the place. is the idea of, hey, I don't like the culture. They're changing the culture. Let me give you some suggestions.

And when they change the culture, we don't want to meet with these guys to see how the culture has changed. But Twitter, Reddit, social media, they have decided that Deshaun Watson wants out. Deshaun wants out. He's played his last game. That's it. Enough is enough. let's remember that between social media not just the bird but other parts of social media

and the internet you go back to you go back to Y2K do you guys remember Y2K you're sitting there if you're my age you're like nod in your head like yeah I remember that I remember that right it was just finishing up college or getting into college or I was a senior in college

and there were people that lost their mind there was a basketball player I believe he's from Wichita Kansas His name is Manny Dyes. Mani played at Kansas State. He played against us. He was a monster. I think in today's basketball,

like he couldn't shoot like P.J. Tucker, but like an undersized super athletic, bigger than P.J. Tucker. Monster, kind of like center who could now play a bunch of positions. He was in the CBA and had a double, double, and was progressing the way of a guy who would get a call up. The CBA was the now defunct minor league of the NBA before they had the G League or before they had the D League,

which became the G League. and I had some friends to play with Manny. I think he was playing in Idaho with the stampede. Shout out to Idaho. The Boise. Pampa actually was where they played. I don't think that team played in downtown, cool arena downtown.

Anyway, Mani freaked out. He thought Y2K was going to be the end. He grabbed his girlfriend and he was like, I'm going to ride this thing out in New York City, Times Square, and just live it up. And the team ended up cutting him. And what happened in Y2K?

Nothing. Nothing. I mean, heck, if you go back four years ago, okay, four years ago, it was the election is a joke, it's over, it's going to be Hillary, hey, about those emails, and a funny thing happened on the way to social media formality, somebody else won. And then, you know, how many times have you heard over the last two years? Like, he's not leaving. He's not leaving. He's not leaving. He's not leaving. Guess what? January 20th came around and he left. So again, I'm not saying that the Texans don't ultimately have to blink in the old stare-off, right? You ever do the stare-off?

What is that? How can some people just hold it and not blink? You know? And some people do the thing where they kind of like, they almost look like they're doing the James Winston where they're not really totally open their eyes. So they're technically not blinking, but they're also not actually keeping their eyes. wide open, regardless of which. Whether you go stare off or game of chicken, that's what's happening between

Watson and the Texans. And I've heard so well, the Texans don't have leverage. What do mean they don't have the leverage? Of course they do. They have the ultimate leverage. You know what that leverage is? They have a signed contract.

That's it. They get a signed contract. And depending on how hardcore you want to go. Like everybody says they want to play a hardball, don't they? And everybody says they want to play hardball. And where does that expression come from?

Well, it comes from negotiation. No, it doesn't. It comes from a hardball. You want to stand in there? You know what the thing about going to the batting cage is? You're getting there a batting cage and you see like 80. You're like, oh my God. But, you know, eventually you kind of catch up to it. Here's the thing, though, in a batting cage, you know where it's going, generally around

over the plate. Playing hardball means it might buzz the tower. It might hit your backside, might hit your shoulder, might be on the outside, it might be a breaking ball. You know, you won't play a hardball? How many dudes do you know have gone in? They're like, I'm getting a car. This is what I'm paying for it.

You know, I did some research. I know what they paid for the car, you know. And so I'm going to, I'm going to, this is what I'm going to. And then they come back to like, well, what did you pay for? Oh. You know, I played a little bit more, but, you know, I got zero percent interest financing. and I can get it detailed once a month, and I got a free loaner car anytime it's in for service.

And I was like, so you didn't actually play hardball. You negotiated. The idea of Deshawn Watson playing hardball to many of you says Lavian Bell. Here's the difference. Lavian Bell was a free agent. Deshaun Watson just signed his deal. That deal, he got paid for this coming year and the following year already. Up front, $73 million total, paid to him.

he wants to retire guess what has to go back signing bonus money he wants to not play what guess what could be find hundreds of thousands and potentially millions of dollars everybody says i want to play hardball careful careful because what dshaun has done is he said hey this is not business this is a bad business move this is personal i don't personally like the owner which is kind of a joke I hear lots of people go, well, he doesn't like the owner. You think half these guys like or care about the owners? They only famed to care about them because they write their check. That's it.

Could have been done without the help of Mr. So-and-So. Yeah, it could. It would have been Mr. So-and-so else. He wrote the check. Let's not kid ourselves and act like the owner. Owners own and sometimes they'll come in and say, no, I want to draft this guy and screws the whole thing up. You know?

Like, what's the feel-good story in the NFL? The Washington football team? The Washington football team, right? I mean, yesterday we found out that their head coach, Ron Rivera, is cancer-free. Congrats to Ron Rivera, right? Amazing story this year. Alex Smith comes back and plays. They make the playoffs despite the fact that, you know, they have to cut their former first-round draft pick.

Who's the owner of that team? Dan Snyder. What did we hear about Dan Snyder before the season began? Oh, dysfunctional shop, such a joke. You know, former members of the front of. office had to be fired for making it uncomfortable for women in the environment. They had to get rid of their nickname because it was offensive. Like, oh, Dan Snyder going to have to sell the Washington football team.

You know what he didn't do? He didn't sell the Washington football team. He hired a competent guy to run the team and he has and they made the playoffs and they're going to be the better because of it. Stop with the owner, the owner, the owner. Like, come on, man. And I don't know Jack Easterby. It sounds like a snake oil sale.

but he hired a guy from the Patriots who seems to be more than competent, who's hiring a staff that seems to be more than competent. So, okay, you're telling me that the Texans, okay, that Cal McNair has one of the five to ten best young quarterbacks in the NFL. Like, look, he's very good. He's very good. There's plenty of guys that can't play that are playing in the league or that are that they're in the middle and they're ceiling. he's got a high ceiling. Randy Mueller is a former executive. He's got a list of his, he's one of the five, he's the fifth best quarterback under 30.

That's his list, not mine. You know, whatever, however you want to list to Sean Watson, he's not Aaron Rogers. He's not Pat Mahomes. Like, oh, what do you mean he's not Pat Mahomes? He was up 24-0 in Kansas City last year. He had a 24, spotted him a 24-0 lead.

So we put all the blame on the coaching staff and the dysfunction of whatever. Come on. He's not Russell Wilson. Like, you put those three. Put those three up there. You're great. You're fine. And then there's another list, right?

Some put Justin Herbert, Josh Allen. And you can say, well, I can't do Josh Allen one hit wonder or Justin Herbert, you know, meaningless games, rookie quarterback. That's fine. They've also never been hurt. He's been hurt a bunch. Some of it shows his toughness, but also that is wear and tear.

But here's the thing. So the Texans, he signed the country. contract after they traded DeAndre Hopkins. After they traded him. So he couldn't have known what would happen with Bill O'Brien. He couldn't have happened what would know with the coaching search or with the personnel around him. But whatever, he still signed up for it. This idea, they don't have, they have the ultimate leverage. We have a contract. You want to play in the NFL? Guess what? For the next five years, you're under contract with us. You retire. You have to get back the signing bonus. And if you

come back, guess who owns your rights? We do. How do I know that? Your name is signed on the line that is dotted. So you want them to trade you for a draft pick that might ultimately become as good as you when they have you and they have a system that they want to continue to build around you? Because the internet says they have to move you. The internet said Hillary was going to win. Then the internet said Trump wasn't going to leave. The internet said Y2K was going to be the end of all of our computers. It's the internet. Sometimes it's right. Sometimes the overall narrative about what things are absolutely positive going to happen don't in fact happen. Texans don't have to trade him. They want to take a breath. Maybe they see what's out there. Maybe they don't. But the reason that

the news came out yesterday when he had previously asked to be traded was the Texans clearly have offered up no desire to trade her. Right? Because if they had, it wouldn't have come out. Will you trade me? No. Now I'm mad. Now I'm going to tell other people. Will you trade me? Look, we'll work towards a trade, but just don't say anything. That way it doesn't hurt your value. We'll shop. You will get this thing done. Right. Then they wouldn't have said it today. The Texans don't have to. Most NFL people say they shouldn't. We're like eight months away from a football game being played. And he hadn't even met the GM or the coach. And everyone says they want to

hardball till it's actually time to play hardball. They got the contract. They gave him the money up front. They already gave him dessert. Now you don't want to eat dinner? Mm. All right. Coming up next, I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin.

Rod Woodson's a Hall of Famer. What does he think happens here? I mean, like, look, his deal with leaving the Steelers was a lot of guys. They couldn't get paid. This guy got paid. Also, some news from Big Ben's camp. Is this good news for the Steelers that Big Ben appears to be coming back? We'll discuss that next.

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Rod Woodson on, I'm like, I have Rod Woodson on. Like for people who watch and he's not on yet, right? Okay, good. For people who watch like the Honey Badger or some of these other guys are like potential borderline, could they get in, Hall of him. I'm like, Rod Woodson was the best. He was a great, Crickr Turner. I'm a great defensive back. Two championship caliber teams with the Steelers and the Ravens. Now he's been to

coach. Now, of course, he joins us in the herd. Rod, let me ask you, look, you've left one organization, gone to another, obviously, in different circumstances. But Deshaun Watson, apparently a couple weeks ago asked to be traded and then let it out to the media over the past couple of days. To me, again, I've never played in the national football league, but to me, that signifies he asked them. They either didn't respond or said, thanks, but no thanks. And now he wants to kind of make it ugly, wants to get it out there exactly what his desires are. But it signifies that Houston has no intentions at this point in trading him. Am I reading this wrong from your perspective?

Well, I would tell you this, Doug. First of all, I think you need to talk to my wife to let her know that she should be happy to be married to me. No, I'm just kidding. But maybe, you know, if I'm anybody, if I'm the brass and the higher up with the Texans, I am

not trading into Sean Watson. That dude, listen, if you trade him, and think about what he did this past year, just the stats that he had, you got rid of his number one receiver, he still played at a level that

could have took him to the playoffs. Everything around him just didn't work out. And if you trade him for whatever, even if you get a Hershal Walker type trade, you're setting your team back several years, if not more. I mean, just, you know, I would try to work something out with him, you know, make amends. Because he's one of those quarterbacks.

When you start looking at the young faces in the National Football League, he's right there. He's the top, top three. When you're talking about the young players, you're talking about Mahomes, Josh Allen, and him. And I'm not going to put it in that order because it might be my Holmes, you know, Watson, Josh Allen, even though Josh Allen team played better.

Deshaun Watson is a beast on the football field. And I wouldn't even consider trading him. I would try to work out some type of reconciliation with him to make good because they need him. on that football team. Okay, so it's interesting. The other part to it, which I haven't heard discussed enough, is if a guy

signs a contract, it gets paid up front, big signing bonus money, he's a quarterbacker team, and he can just demand a trade because he doesn't like the culture, then every other guy in the locker room, every guy in the locker room can I understand they don't have the leverage of Deshaun because they're not a quarterback,

but it throws the legitimacy of any of your contracts out the window. Well, it does. I mean, you know, Deshaun signed his deal, and then he's seen some things happen. And obviously, there's been some rumors for a couple years coming out of Houston. So Deshaun knows more than we do. But I would say, yes, he signed a contract. He's seen the projection or trajectory of which where the team is still heading down.

He didn't like where they were at. he doesn't like the future of the team, or at least the near future. And he's frustrated. He's a frustrated player. And he's like, listen, you know, when JJ Watts, who is the face of that franchise now turning into Deshaun Watson, him being the face of the franchise,

but when JJ Watts comes up to his guy and apologizes, only to Deshaun Watson. I think it was the other way. I think it was the other way around, actually. I think it was Deshaun apologizing to JJ? No, no, no, no. Jay apologized to DeShan, I thought. Well, maybe so.

Maybe you're right. I thought I thought Jay J.J. apologized to Sean for wasting a great year that he had in his belt. No, I think, and I could be wrong. I saw the video. I thought it was Deshawn saying, we wasted one of your years because JJ, J.J. Watts' years are limited. Regardless of which, right?

They have a good relationship. They respect each other. And both are pretty upset at the trajectory of the. franchise that we agree i would also say that look look i i don't know this jack easterby guy that everybody seems to dislike but the g the gm they brought from the patriots the patriots have done a really good job without having quality draft picks right they they have a a well they're a well-run franchise uh and then the staff they're putting together granted i mean you would know in terms of cully their head coach but but a guy who seems to be a culture changing guy that's

That's the whole logic behind hiring him and how he handled everything he handled in multiple stops, especially Philly and Baltimore, places that when he was there, great culture. Like, I think that plan does kind of make sense. I'm just, I'm interested in why you wouldn't at least have a conversation about it. I know it's the playing hardball thing. I don't even want to talk about it, but like, okay, careful what you wish for. You're going to go to the Jets? They have no players. Nobody knows for their.

Salas seems great. Okay, but they got no dudes. at least they have some dudes in Houston right now. No, they do have some players. And, you know, I think David Cully, you know, David, he came into the league my last couple years in Pittsburgh. You know, he was a young coach coming to the league. And I know that he is, he's about culture. I mean, that's what the Steelers are about.

That's what the Baltimore Ravens are about. And that's what he's about. And if you look at, especially his hire on the defensive side of Lovie, you know, Love he's a culture guy, too. He's a Tony Dungee disciple, and it's all about culture. And the culture will be changed in the meeting rooms, on the practice field, and hopefully from the top death. And, you know, like I said, hopefully Deshaun gives them a chance. I know David Cully's, you know, he took the job because obviously it's long overdue for him, but also people wanted that job before all the turmoil because Deshawn Watson was there.

He's the guy. And not having DeShan there, you know, most guys probably wouldn't take it, even though everybody would try to take an opportunity to be a head coach at the National Football League. You know, but like I said before, I'm hoping they reconcile, you know, and sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side, like you said. You know, he could go to New York, but then who he's going to play with. You know, he doesn't have any players there really yet.

So, you know, what would they do? can they get something in the next couple of years? Yeah, I mean, they got two picks. But then, you know, Deshaun is going to be, you know, seven years and two his career or eight years at a time to really start becoming a solid football team. That's the voice of Rod Woodson Hall of Famer. He joins us here in the Hurt.

I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Let's get to Aaron Rogers. What was he saying without saying? Because there's a little bit of backpedaling, and he was like, well, you know, something I said all along. Give me the what, you've been a veteran Hall of Famer in the NFL. What was Aaron Rogers really saying? Resign all my guys.

You want me to come back. You want me to be happy. I needed to re-sign, Valdez, Center, and the running back. I need everybody. I need everybody to keep coming back. If you want me to be at the best that I can be, then I need all my weapons. That's what he's saying. That's it.

I mean, that's plain and simple. I think he wants that. He also, he wants that deal redone, doesn't he? He doesn't want, because at the end of next year, they can get out. And then then there's the Jordan Love ambiguity. Like, I think he wants something cleaner and some sort of extension at the end of that deal. You know, or else he's, or else he's played. He's like, all, fine.

Then if you're not, then I'm playing my last year in Green Bay, right? I mean, that's basically what it looks like for him. Yes. Yes. Do it. Do what I'm asking. Which he also asked for the extension, you know, do what I'm asking or we'll see. And it's kind of like the Tom Brady thing, right?

When Tom, you know, Tom's like, hey, listen, I need certain things or I can just leave. And, you know, that stuff was kind of brewing up to, but it's the same thing with Aaron. You know, you're drafting a quarterback to take his spot when you needed so many other needs for that football team. and Tom did the same thing. And where's Tom at? He's playing in the Super Bowl. So, you know, I think these quarterbacks in today's game, and really that's probably the only position outside of the elite,

you know, the Aaron Donald's of the world, can make demands like that of football teams. And they have to listen. Rod Woodson, our guest here in the herd. Is it possible? I've talked to some NFL people, both on the show off the show, and their kind of hypotheses on why the Packers kicked the field goal was, one, analytics, but two, LaFleur was like out of plays, right?

Like he wasn't, because you can't call a timeout. You have to go right to it because there's, you know, 209 to go. You're not going to call a timeout. You've got to go right to it. And then if you score, you've got to have a two-point conversion play ready. Is, does that make, having coached in the NFL, does that make sense as to why he kicked the field goal, which essentially punts and gives them a chance to kind of reload in the playbook. Right.

But the one thing about analytics, analytics is a piece of paper and a formula to help you make decisions. It doesn't have the emotions of the game. It doesn't have the situational product of the game, right? It gives you the scenarios. And as a head coach, you know, if I'm the head coach of the Green Bay Packers and I have Aaron Rogers as my quarterback, and I'm like, first of all, he could have ran for the touchdown or came close to when that the third down play where it got knocked down when Devonthe Adder's double covered. He could almost probably ran it in. But with that being said, his options were to

kick the field goal or let one of the greatest quarterbacks who ever play in the national football league have a fourth down. Well, I'm going to go and or, and kick it and say, so I'm going to kick the field goal, and I'm going to put my defense back out there. Who's been struggling to stop? Tampa Bay. And what does Tampa Bay have to do? They have to get one or two first downs, which they did throughout the whole day. So my mind would be like, I'm going to give it to Aaron Rogers.

That dude is a future Hall of Famer. And put the ball in his hand to get that one play. The analytics, I understand it, but the analytics does having the emotions of the game and what the game is writing on. It doesn't have that based in there. So I think coaches have to listen to analytics, yes. But you have to understand the situation of the game. The game is fluid.

And you have to make a call that does sometimes go against the analytics. Was it Petten or was it King? Who was most at fault for what happened at the end of the first half? First of all, Tom Brady is on the sideline covering up with his Dick Winter coach. They call timeout, right? They're on the sideline. is getting huddled up. He's getting ready to get warm again.

And Bruce Aaron's like, no, we're going for this thing. So when you see him jump back on the field, it's a red flag. They're taking a shot. They're not trying to get in the field goal. They're going to like, what's the, you know, let's do this picture,

I got Tom Brady, another future Hall of Famer, one of the best quarterback, if he not the best quarterback to ever play in the National Football League at my disposal. so let's take this shot. And as a coach, you're like, okay, they're coming back out.

You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to play man to man. And I'm really not even going to bring any pressure. That's just like you put your players in I think Lafour is right. They put their players in bad position. Now, King was he was six yards off, which when you're six yards off playing man to man in coverage rules 101, you're at no man's land.

Yep. and I don't think he knew how fast my man was. You know, he saw, he saw this little, you know, excuse my friend, he saw this little white guy. Is that friend? Listen. He can't run. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Right. We know the deal. You see a little Scotty Miller line up. A little white dude. You're like, all right. Yeah. Sure.

Okay. Right. And then all of a sudden, and as you point out, like, you either you either have to be impressed or you got to get way, way back because you're in the middle and now you're playing, now you're playing, now you're, you're playing catch up and he got a great throw from Brady. But Brady, he did be. He played poorly in the second half.

And right? And so I do wonder as a guy who played against him, as a guy who knows this, like, are we giving Tom Brady too much credit for the win? No, I mean, he played well enough. You know, obviously, you know, all great players always, you're always going to be compared to. you your true greatness, how, you know, when you played at your peak. But Tom is, listen, without Tom Brady, they're not in the Super Bowl. Now, their defense played extremely well throughout the year. It's a little inconsistent, but played really good football.

Now, one thing I will say is, you know, Steve Spagnola, the defense coordinator for Kansas City blitz more than I thought he was going to blitz in the championship game to Josh Allen. So if that's his game plan, and he knows who Tom is, he know, he's played. against him, you know, enough. He knows what he can and cannot do. And, you know, it's going to be a tough task for Tom if he's getting pressure up the middle because Tom is, you know, he's not that mobile.

He's never been mobile. And if he can't get it done for 60 minutes, because we know Kansas City, Kansas City might not score on the first drive or the second drive. But they always seem like every single last couple years, they'll have a three possession the way they score touchdowns. And they got 21 points on the board. Just that fast. And it would be back back to back.

And now you're down and your game plan is out the window. So Tom, you know, I think he played well enough, but that defense played outstanding. Yep. And unfortunate for, you know, for Green Bay, the people who could have had interceptions kept dropping them. Yeah. Last thing, Big Ben appears to be coming back,

but at some sort of discount rate to help that, that massive, that massive cap number, is that a good thing for the Steelers? Like, I know he's been a great player, but he was not a great player this year for, you know, at all times. And then he's a year older. Although a year further removed from that Tommy John surgery, is it a good thing? Considering Stafford's out there, James is out there, there's other guys that would fit how they like to play.

Is that a good thing for the Steelers? Well, you know, the Steelers are not a normal. franchise, right? So the one thing I do love about him is that I think, you know, another year removed from the Tommy John, I think he's going to be fine. What they need, they need a running game. And I love Connor, but Connor's a free agent. So do they bring him back? I think they need to get a little younger at the office line, but they need to find a running game. You need to take that pressure off a bin. I mean, they threw the ball over 70% of the time this year. They're the only team in the National Football League that threw for,

that threw that much. And when you're a one-sided offense, every defense knows how to stop you. And that put more pressure on him, and unfortunately they couldn't find that running game. If they can find a running game, go along with that defense, I think they're right back in the mix.

Rod, great stuff, man. I'll tell your wife how great you were, if that, if that helps. I appreciate that. All right, man. We'll catch up soon. Thanks for joining us. All right, take care now. Rod Woodson joining us in The Hurt.

Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. Turn on the news. This is the Hirdline News. Good morning, Doug. Good to be here with you. Let's get things started in the NFC East, a little bit of quarterback news, if you will. Eagles have their new head coach, Nick Siriani. When asked about their quarterback situation in Philadelphia,

between Carson Wentz and Jalen Hertz, we know all the drama that's gone on over there over the past year. He said, I feel great. You look at a lot of rosters and they don't have any quarterbacks that they feel really good about. We have two. That's unbelievable to be able to have two quarterbacks that have played and have played well. Oh, Doug, what's the old saying? If you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one.

Yeah. But Nick Siriani with a great little spin zone there. Yeah, okay. Look, he's, I mean, if you hire Carson Wentz's, Carson Wins's favorite coach, right? And the reason Doug Peterson is gone is because he wasn't all in on Wence, fixing Wenz.

And their relationship had gone beyond repair. Who do you think is going to get the first, second, and third shot to keep this job? So, I'll be fascinated to see if they hang on to Jalen Hertz. No matter how well people, I mean, people forget, But when he got pulled in the game, he was 7 of 20. He's bad. Now, I'm not defending how Carson Wentz had been playing before he ultimately got benched.

But, like, we're all flipping out over the fact that they beat the Saints when nobody had a book on him. And he played well against the Cardinals. It didn't have particularly good defense. And then Water found its level once people got a book on him. Now, can he develop? Of course. Of course he can. But will they put in an offense that fits him?

Why? They're trying to fix Wence because the money they owe to Wence. Yeah, it's certainly going to be interesting to see how that plays out. I think one reason that they may feel as though that they need to hang on to Jalen Hurts, above all, is how injury prone Carson Wentz has been. So I think that's probably what they're also trying to protect themselves against. We'll wrap up with this, Doug, staying in the NFL. An interesting little story came out yesterday from the Las Vegas Raiders.

Now, if you remember going back to the end of the season, they had that absolute collapse against the Miami Dolphins, one of the games that played a pivotal role in keeping the dolphins alive. They didn't end up making the playoffs, but it also basically ended all hope of the Raiders trying to make the playoffs that year. Vic Tafer of the Athletic had some details about wide receiver Nelson Aguilar. So following the loss to the dolphins, which Aguilar actually had a great game against the dolphins.

He had five catches, 155 yards for a touchdown. After the loss, Aguilar was upset. The receiver walked into the middle. of the locker room before coach John Gruden addressed the team and started screaming at them. According to those in the room, he said that his teammates were selfish. Nobody worked hard enough. They essentially quit against the dolphins as well as the two previous losses they had leading into that game. There was no accountability. There was no accountability from other players, from coaches, that their performance was unacceptable and that people were just being compliant

and accepting it. He told his teammates that, quote, they sucked. Then according to witnesses, after he was done, it was complete silence. No response from Gruden, no response from any of the players. I think it's awesome. And, you know, that's why you have a guy like that. Now, he's got to be the hardest working guy if you want to call dudes out. But that's real stuff. I love it.

That's the opposite of Dwayne Haskins, right? Remember, Dwayne Haskins lost the locker room because he was celebrating when he was a 300-yard passing game and they lost. Nelson Aguilar has a good game. He doesn't care because they lost. So I mean, that's hard leadership. They're grown men, they're big boys. They can take it.

And you'll know what the film says based upon who's on that roster day one of next season. That's Ryan Music with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. All right. Coming up next, did you notice what happened with the Lakers last night? Funny, no one else is mentioning.

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Now look, Colin isn't to the Nick Wright level of LeBron fandom, but he's not far behind. So I watch and listen every day. And I think Colin was it two days ago, right? Remember he lit up the calves and he had 23 in the fourth quarter. And then LeBron was like, yeah, somebody, somebody was too excited in the cast for an office when I missed a shot. And so I made them pay. Like, all right.

Good for LeBron. Like that's his, that's his Jordan make up some sort of hater moment so that he can go and hit shots. And no one's denying LeBron's awesome, right? And it's amazing what he's doing at his age, 18 years in the league and continues to be one of the elite players. But I do find it at least a little bit peculiar that, when he played poorly against the Warriors and they were beaten by the Warriors, nobody said anything. And you could sit here and tell me that, well, you know, last night they didn't have Anthony Davis.

You're right, they didn't. They did have LeBron James, and he didn't play particularly well. Definitely didn't shoot well. Four for eight from three, but eight of 19 from the floor, he was a minus 11. Now, again, I'm not laying the loss completely on his plate. I have reasonable takes, right? Reasonable takes. It's a reasonable take to say, what are we doing here?

Where we only mention when LeBron plays great, we don't mention he played poorly against, he didn't very little against the Bulls. He did very little, he didn't play particularly well against the Warriors. Last night, statistically he was fine, but the reality is they lost to the Pistons, who are a weird team. They got like five wins all over playoff teams, but that's five wins so far this year. and the Lakers went scoreless for nearly seven minutes from the 840 mark in the fourth quarter

to the 150 mark in the fourth quarter. Couldn't score. The problem was on the court. So I just, I think it's a reasonable take to go like, hey, are we going to get to where we actually talk about guys in totality? We don't just cherry pick the parts we like or the parts we don't like. I'm not going to sit here and ride the Golden State game or ride last night's game because I'm reasonable.

It's the end of a long East Coast. road trip. He played well against the bucks, just like the Nets played well against the bucks. But like we, we'll pick apart the Nets losing to the calves. We don't say anything about the Lakers losing to the Sixers or losing to the pistons, right? Or the war, like, it's a weird, if we're going to give, I like congruent arguments. If the argument is, hey, I'm only going to judge you based upon your best games. Fine. Let's do that for everybody. If the argument is, we're going to judge you based upon the totality of your performances, fine, let's do that for everybody. If the argument's going to be, we're only going to judge you for your bad performances.

Fine, let's do that for everybody. He is human. He is in his mid to late 30s. He has played 18 years. And it was a long road trip, and he didn't have Anthony Davis. Like, look, I'm totally reasonable about he didn't play well. They didn't play well. You're just, you're ready to go home.

but we can't say still a bronze league because he had a night against the calves where I mean did you did you see the guy can you how many Cleveland cavaliers can you name that are actually playing like oh oh Kevin love not playing not playing because they don't want him to get hurt because they're trying to trade him so I like congruent arguments I mean I saw it was funny I saw Nick Wright he tweeted out you know about Brady complaining about not getting calls in the NFC championship game. Like, are we going to make the same thing about LeBron James? Like, same guy. Without any question, an all-time great. And they want to get calls. Men across America love Tommy John and to wear because they're keeping everything in place.

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