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This is the best of the Heard. Heard with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making as part of your day. I'm Doug Gottlie, filling in for Colin Cowherd. Welcome in. Man, this should be a fun show. Rod Woodson, Super Bowl champion, Hall of Famer, and the Raven, most notably former Steeler.

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Let me, let me start with this. So it has been iterated and reiterated. You ever notice that nobody ever iterates anything? Nobody ever says, let me iterate something. I want to iterate this thought. No, we only reiterate that thought. And I understand that reiteration is saying something that you've already said, but it is interesting that nobody ever iterates.

they just reiterate. But Sean Watson apparently reiterated that he wants to be traded to the media over the last couple of days, right? Shannon Sharp had it. Other NFL reporters had it. And by all accounts, this was simply a reiteration of something that he and his agent had relayed to the Texans previous to, well, the past week and a half, which is odd, right?

because a good portion of what we were told was the disconnect with the culture of the place is the idea of, hey, I don't like the culture. They're changing the culture. Let me give you some suggestions. And when they change the culture, we don't want to meet with these guys to see how the culture has changed. But Twitter, Reddit, social media, they have decided that Deshaun Watson wants out. Deshaun Watson's going to get out. He's played his last game.

That's it. Enough is enough. Let's remember that between social media, not just the bird, but other parts of social media, and the internet, you go back to you go back to Y2K. Do you guys remember Y2K?

You're sitting there if you're my age. You're like, nod in your head, like, yeah, I remember that. I remember that. I was just finishing up college or getting into college or I was a senior in college. And there were people that lost their mind. there was a basketball player

I believe he's from Wichita, Kansas. He was Manny Dyes. Manny played at Kansas State. He played against us. He was a monster. I think in today's basketball, like he couldn't shoot like P.J. Tucker, but like an undersized, super athletic,

bigger than P.J. Tucker. Monster, kind of like center who could now play a bunch of positions. He was in the CBA and it just had a double, double, and was progressing the way of a guy who would get a call up. The CBA was the now defunct, minor league of the NBA before they had the G League or before they had the D League,

which became the G League. And I had some friends to play with Manny. I think he was playing in Idaho with the Stampede. Shout out to Idaho. The Boise. Pampa actually was where they played. I don't think that team played

in downtown, cool arena downtown. Anyway, Manny freaked out. He thought Y2K was going to be the end. He grabbed his girlfriend and he was like, I'm going to ride this thing out in New York City, Times Square, and just live it up. And the team,

ended up cutting him. And what happened to Y2K? Nothing. Nothing. I mean, heck, if you go back four years ago, okay, four years ago, it was the election is a joke, it's over, it's going to be Hillary, hey, about those emails, and a funny thing happened on the way to social media formality, somebody else won. And then, you know, how many times you, you heard over the last two years, like, he's not leaving. He's not leaving. He's not leaving. Guess what?

January 20th came around and he left. So, again, I'm not saying that the Texans don't ultimately have to blink in the old stare-off, right? You ever do the stare-off? What is that? How can some people just hold it and not blink? You know? And some people do the thing where they kind of like, they almost look like they're doing the Jamis Winston where they're not.

really totally open their eyes. So they're technically not blinking, but they're also not actually keeping their eyes wide open, regardless of which. Whether you go stare off or game of chicken, that's what's happening between Watson and the Texans. And I've heard so, well, the Texans don't have leverage. What do mean they don't have the leverage?

Of course they do. They have the ultimate leverage. You know what that leverage is? They have a signed contract. That's it. They get a signed contract. and depending on how hardcore you want to go. Like everybody says they want to play a hardball, don't they?

And everybody says they want to play a hardball. And where does that expression come from? Well, it comes from negotiation. No, it doesn't. It comes from a hardball. You want to stand in there? You know what the thing about going to the batting cage is? You're getting there to batting cage and you see like 80.

You're like, oh, my God. But, you know, eventually you kind of catch up to it. Here's the thing, though, in a batting cage, you know where it's going, generally around over the plate. Playing hardball means it might buzz the tower. It might hit your backside. Might hit your shoulder. Might be on the outside.

Might be a breaking ball. You know? You want to play hardball? How many dudes do you know have gone in? They're like, I'm getting a car. This is what I'm paying for it. You know, I did some research. I know what they paid for the car.

You know. And so I'm going to, I'm going to, this is what I'm going to. And then they come back to like, well, what did you pay for? You know, I played a little bit more, but, you know, I got zero percent interest financing and I can get it detailed once a month and, you know, I got a free loaner car anytime it's in for service. And I was like, so you didn't actually play hardball. You negotiated.

The idea of Deshawn Watson playing hardball to many of you says Lavin Bell. Here's the difference. Lavian Bell was a free agent. DeShon Watson just signed his deal. That deal, he got paid for. for this coming year and the following year already up front, $73 million total, paid to him. He wants to retire. Guess what has to go back?

Signing bonus money. He wants to not play. Guess what could be? Find hundreds of thousands and potentially millions of dollars. Everybody says, I want to play hardball. Careful. Careful. Because what Deshaun has done is he said, hey, this is not business.

This is a bad business move. This is personal. I don't personally like the owner, which is kind of a joke. I hear lots of people go, well, he doesn't like the owner. You think half these guys like or care about the owners? They only famed to care about them because they write their check. That's it. Could have been done without the help of Mr. So-and-So.

Yeah, it could. It would have been Mr. So-and-So else. He wrote the check. Let's not kid ourselves and act like the owner. Owners own and sometimes they'll come in. and say, no, I want to draft this guy and screws the whole thing up? You know? Like, what's the feel good story in the NFL?

The Washington football team? The Washington football team, right? I mean, yesterday we found out that their head coach, Ron Rivera, is cancer-free. Congrats to Ron Rivera, right? Amazing story this year. Alex Smith comes back and plays. They make the playoffs despite the fact that, you know, they have to cut their former first-round draft pick.

Who's the owner of that team? Dan Snyder. What did we hear by Dan Snyder before the season began? Oh, dysfunctional shop, such a joke. You know, former members of the front office had to be fired for making it uncomfortable for women in the environment. They had to get rid of their nickname because it was offensive. Like, oh, Dan Snyder are going to have to sell the Washington football team.

You know what he didn't do? He didn't sell the Washington football team. He hired a competent guy to run the team and he has and they made the playoffs and they're going to be the better because of it. Stop with the owner, the owner, the owner. come on, man. And I don't know Jack Easterby. It sounds like a snake oil salesman. But he hired a guy from the Patriots who seems to be more than competent, who's hiring a staff that seems to be more than competent.

So, okay, you're telling me that the Texans, okay, that Cal McNair has one of the five to ten best young quarterbacks in the NFL. Like, look, he's very good. He's very good. There's plenty of guys that. can't play that are playing in the league or that are that they're in the middle and their ceiling he's got a high ceiling. Randy Mueller is a former executive. He's got a list of he's one of the five. He's the fifth best quarterback under 30. That's his list, not mine. You know, whatever, however you want to list to Sean Watson, he's not Aaron Rogers. He's not Pat Mahomes. Like, oh, what do you mean he's not Pat Mahomes? He was up 24-0 in Kansas City last year. He had a 24, spotted him a 24-0-0 lead. So we put all the blame on the coaching staff

and the dysfunction of whatever. Come on. He's not Russell Wilson. Like, you put those three. Put those three up there. You're great. You're fine. And then there's another list, right? Some put Justin Herbert, Josh Allen. And you can say, well, I can't do Josh Allen one-hit wonder or Justin Herbert, you know, meaningless games, rookie quarterback. That's fine. They've also never been hurt. He's been hurt a bunch. Some of it shows his toughness, but also that is wearing tear. But here's the thing. So the Texans, he signed the contract after they traded DeAndre Hopkins. After they traded him. So he couldn't have known what would happen with Bill O'Brien. He couldn't have happened what would know with the coaching search or with the personnel

around him. But whatever, he still signed up for it. This idea, they don't have, they have the ultimate leverage. We have a contract. You don't play in the NFL? Guess what? For the next five years, you're under contract with us. You retire, you have to give back the signing bonus, and if you come back, guess who owns your rights? We do. How do I know that? Your name is signed on the line that is dotted.

So you want them to trade you for a draft pick that might ultimately become as good as you when they have you and they have a system that they want to continue to build around you? Because the Internet says they have to move you? The Internet said Hillary was going to win. Then the Internet said Trump wasn't going to leave. The internet said Y2K was going to be the end of all of our computers.

It's the internet. Sometimes it's right. Sometimes the overall narrative about what things are absolutely positive going to happen. Don't in fact happen. Texans don't have to trade him. They want to take a breath. Maybe they see what's out there. Maybe they don't.

But the reason that the news came out yesterday when he had previous, asked to be traded was the Texans clearly have offered up no desire to trade it right because if they had it wouldn't have come out will you trade me no now I'm mad now I'm going to tell other people will you trade me you look we'll work towards a trade but just don't say anything that way it doesn't hurt your value we'll shop you will get this thing done right then they wouldn't have to say it today the Texans don't have to most NFL people say they shouldn't we're like eight months away from a football game being played. And he hadn't even met the GM or the coach.

And everyone says they want to play hardball until it's actually time to play hardball. They got the contract. They gave him the money up front. They already gave him dessert. Now he don't want to eat dinner? Mm. All right.

Coming up next, I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Rod Woodson's a Hall of Famer. What does he think happens here? I mean, like, look, his deal with leaving the Steelers was a lot of guys. They couldn't get paid. This guy got paid. Also, some news from Big Ben's camp. Is this good news for the Steelers that Big Ben appears to be coming back? Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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I try to not geek out my position. I've been doing this a while. I've got to keep it together. But every time I have Rod Woodson on, I'm like, I have Rod Woodson on. Like for people who watch, and he's not on yet, right? Okay, good.

For people who watch like the Honey Badger or some of these other guys are like potential borderline, could they get in, Hall of him. I'm like Rod Woodson was the best. He was a great Rickerturner. I'm a great defensive back. Two championship caliber teams with the Steelers and the Ravens. Now he's been to coach. Now, of course, he joins us in the herd. Rod, let me ask you, look, you've left one organization, gone to another, obviously, in different circumstances.

but Deshawn Watson apparently a couple weeks ago asked to be traded and then let it out to the media over the past couple of days. To me, again, I've never played in the national football league, but to me that signifies he asked them. They either didn't respond or said thanks but no thanks. And now he wants to kind of make it ugly, wants to get it out there exactly what his desires are. But it signifies that Houston has no intentions at this point in trading him. Am I reading this wrong from your perspective? Well, I would tell you this, Doug. First of all, I think you need to talk to my wife to let her know that she should be happy to be married to me.

No, I'm just kidding. But maybe, you know, if I'm anybody, if I'm the brass and the higher up with the Texans, I am not trading to Sean Watson. That dude, listen, if you trade him, and think about what he did this past year, just the stats that he had, you got rid of his number one receiver, he still played at a level that could have took him to the playoffs. Everything around him just didn't work out.

And if you trade him for whatever, even if you get a Hershal Walker type trade, you're sending your team back several years, if not more. I mean, just, you know, I would try to work something out with him, you know, make amends. Because he's one of those quarterbacks. When you start looking at the young faces in the National Football League, he's right there. He's the top three.

When you're talking about the young players, you're talking about Mahomes, Josh Allen, and him. And I'm not going to put it in that order because it might be my Holmes, you know, Watson, Josh Allen, even though Josh Allen team played better. Deshaun Watson is a beast on the football field. and I wouldn't even consider trading him. I would try to work out some type of reconciliation with him to make good because they need him on that football team. Okay, so it's interesting.

The other part to it, which I haven't heard discussed enough, is if a guy signs a contract, okay, gets paid up front, big signing bonus money, he's a quarterbacker team, and he can just demand a trade because he doesn't like the culture, then every other guy in the locker room, every guy in the locker room can offensive I understand they don't have the leverage of DeShan

because they're not a quarterback but it it throws the legitimacy of any year contracts out the window well it does I mean you know Deshawn signed his deal and then he's seen some things happen

and obviously there's been some rumors for a couple years coming out of Houston so Deshawn knows more than we do but I would say, yes, he signed a contract. He's seen the projection or trajectory of which where the team is still heading down. He didn't like where they were at. He doesn't like the future of the team, or at least the near future.

And he's frustrated. He's a frustrated player. And he's like, listen, you know, when JJ Watts, who is the face of that franchise now turning into Deshaun Watson, and him be in the face of the franchise. But when JJ Watts comes up to his guy and apologizes, only to Deshawn Watson. I think it was the other way. I think it was the other way around, actually.

I think it was Deshaun apologizing to JJ. No, no, no, no, no. Jay apologized to DeShan. I thought, well, maybe so. Maybe you're right. I thought, I thought Jay J.J. apologize to Sean for wasting a great year that he had in his belt. No, I think, and I could be wrong.

I saw the video. I thought it was Deshawn saying we wasted one of your years because JJ J.J. Watt's years are limited. Regardless of which, right? They have a good relationship. They respect each other and both are pretty upset at the trajectory of the franchise. That we agree. I would also say that, look, look, I don't know this Jack Easterby guy that everybody seems to dislike, but the GM they brought from the Patriots, the Patriots have done a really good job without having quality draft picks, right? They have a well, they're a, they're a, well-run franchise.

And then the staff they're putting together. Granted, I mean, you would know in terms of Cully, their head coach, but a guy who seems to be a culture-changing guy, that's the whole logic behind hiring him and how he handled everything he handled in multiple stops, especially Philly and Baltimore, places that when he was there, great culture. Like, I think that plan does kind of make sense. I'm just, I'm interested in why you wouldn't at least. have a conversation about it.

I know it's the playing hardball thing. I don't even want to talk about it, but like, okay, careful what you wish for. You're going to go to the Jets? They have no players. Nobody knows for their. Solis seems great. Okay, but they got no dudes. At least they have some dudes in Houston right now.

No, they do have some players. And, you know, I think David Cully, you know, David, he came into the league my last couple years in Pittsburgh. You know, he was a young coach coming in the league. And I know that he is, he's about culture. I mean, that's what the Steelers are about. That's what the Baltimore Ravens are about. And that's what he's about.

And if you look at, especially his hire on the defensive side of Lovie, you know, Lovie's a culture guy too. He's a Tony Dungee disciple. And it's all about culture. And the culture will be changed in the meeting rooms, on the practice field, and hopefully from the top best. and, you know, like I said, hopefully Deshaun gives them a chance. I know David Cully, you know, he took the job because, obviously, it's long overdue for him,

but also people wanted that job before all the turmoil because Deshaun Watson was there. He's the guy. And not having Deshaun there, you know, most guys probably wouldn't take it, even though everybody would try to take an opportunity to be a head coach at the National Football League. you know but like I said before I'm I'm hoping they reconcile you know and sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side like you said you know he could go to he could go to New York but then who he's going to play with you know he doesn't have any players there really yet so you know what would they do can they get something in the next couple years yeah I mean they got two picks but then you know Deshaun is going to be you know seven years and two his his his career or eight years at a time to really start becoming a solid football team. That's the voice of Rod Woodson Hall of Famer. He joins us here in the herd.

I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Let's get to Aaron Rogers. What was he saying without saying? Because there's a little bit of backpedaling, and he was like, well, you know, some I said all along. Give me the what, you've been a veteran Hall of Famer in the NFL. What was Aaron Rogers really saying? Reside all my guys.

You want me to come back. You want me to be happy. I needed to re-sign Valdez Center and and the running back I need everybody

I need everybody to keep coming back if you want me to be at the best that I can be then I need all my weapons that's what he's saying I mean that's plain and simple

I think he wants he also he wants he wants that deal redone doesn't he doesn't he doesn't want because at the end of next year they can get out and then then there's the the Jordan love ambiguity.

Like, I think he wants something cleaner and some sort of extension at the end of that deal. You know, or else he's, or else he's played, but he's like, all right, then if you're not,

then I'm playing my last year in Green Bay, right? I mean, that's basically what it looks like for him. Yes. Yes, do it. Do what I'm asking, which he,

yes, he also asked for the extension. You know, do what I'm asking, or we'll see. And it's kind of like the Tom Brady thing, right? when Tom you know

Tom's like hey listen I need certain things or I can just leave and you know that stuff was kind of brewing up to but it's the same thing with Aaron you know you're drafting a quarterback to take this spot

when you needed so many other needs for that football team and Tom did the same thing and where's Tom at he's playing in the Super Bowl so you know I think these quarterbacks in today's game

and really that's probably the only position outside AD elite, you know, the Aaron Donalds of the world, can make demands like that of football teams. And they have to listen. Rod Woodson, our guest here in the herd. Is it possible? I've talked to some NFL people, both on the show, off the show. And their kind of hypotheses on why the Packers kicked the field goal was,

one, analytics, but two, LaFlevard was like out of plays, right? like he wasn't because you can't call a time out. You have to go right to it because there's, you know, 209 to go. You're not going to call a time out. You got to go right to it. And then if you score, you've got to have a two point conversion play ready. Is, is, does that makes, having coached in the NFL, does that make sense as to why

he kicked the field goal, which essentially punts and gives him a chance to kind of reload in the playbook? Right. But the one thing about analytics, analytics is a piece of paper and a formula to help. you make decisions. It doesn't have the emotions of the game. It doesn't have the situational product of the game, right? It just, it gives you the scenarios. And as a head coach, you know, if I'm the head coach of the Green Bay Packers, and I have Aaron Rogers as my quarterback, and I'm like, first of all, he could have ran for the touchdown or came close to when that

the third downplay where it got knocked down when Devonte Adams was double covered. He could almost probably ran it in. But with that being said, his options were to kick the field goal or let one of the greatest quarterbacks who ever play in the National Football League have a fourth down. Well, I'm going to go and say, so I'm going to kick the field goal and I'm going to put my defense back out there who's been struggling to stop, Tampa Bay. And what does Tampa Bay have to do? They have to get one or two first downs, which they did throughout the whole day.

So my mind would be like, I'm going to give it to Aaron Rogers. That dude is a future Hall of Famer. And put the ball in his hand to get that one play. The analytics, I understand it, but the analytics does having the emotions of the game and what the game is writing on. It doesn't have that based in there. So I think coaches have to listen to analytics, yes. But you have to understand the situation of the game.

The game is fluid. And you have to make a call that does sometimes go against the analytics. analytics. Was it Petten or was it King, who was most at fault for what happened at the end of the first half? First of all, Tom Brady is on the sideline covering up with his big winter coach. They call timeout, right? They're on the sideline. Tom is getting huddled up.

He's getting ready to get warm again. And Bruce Aaron's like, nah, we're going for this thing. So when you see him jump back on the field, it's a red flag. They're taking a shot. They're not trying to get in the field goal. They're going to like, you know, let's do this picture picture thing. I got Tom Brady, another future Hall of Famer, one of the best quarterbacks, if he not the best quarterback to ever play in the National Football League at my disposal.

So let's take this shot. And as a coach, you're like, okay, they're coming back out. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to play man to man. And I'm really not even going to bring any pressure. that's just like you put your players and I think LaFour's right. They put their players in bad position. Now, King was, he was six yards off, which when you're six yards off playing man to man

in coverage rules 101, you're in no man's land. And I don't think he knew how fast my man was. You know, he saw, he saw this little, you know, excuse my friend, he saw this little white guy. He's not his friend. Listen, he can't run. Right. Right. Right.

Rod, any of us who played sports? And most people are up, but like, look, we know the deal. You see a little Scotty Miller line up, a little white dude. You're like, all right, yeah, sure, okay. Right. And then all of a sudden, and as you point out, like, you either have to be impressed or you've got to get way, way back because you're in the middle, and now you're playing catch up and he got a great throw from Brady.

But Brady, he did be. He played poorly in the second half. Right? And so I do wonder, as a guy who played against him, as a guy who knows this, like, are we giving Tom Brady too much credit for the win? No, I mean, he played well enough. You know, obviously, you know, all great players always, you're always going to be compared to your true greatness, how, you know, when you played at your peak. But Tom is, listen, without Tom Brady, they're not in the Super Bowl. Now, their defense played extremely well throughout the game.

year. He ain't a little inconsistent, but played really good football. Now, one thing I will say is, you know, Steve Spagnola, the defense coordinator for Kansas City, blitz more than I thought he was going to blitz in the championship game to Josh Allen. So if that's his game plan, and he knows who Tom is, he's played against him, you know, enough. He knows what he can and cannot do. And, you know, it's going to be a tough task for Tom if he's getting pressure up the middle

because Thomas, you know, he's not that mobile. He's never been mobile. And if he can't get it done for 60 minutes, because we know Kansas City, Kansas City might not score on the first drive, or the second drive. But they always seem like every single last couple years, they'll have a three possession,

where they score touchdowns. And they got 21 points on the board. Just that bad. And it'd be back-back-to-back. And now you're down, and their game plan is out the window. So Tom, you know, I think he played well enough, but that defense played outstanding.

Yep. And unfortunate for, you know, for Green Bay, the people who could have had interceptions kept dropping them. Yeah. Last thing, Big Ben appears to be coming back, but at some sort of discounted rate to help that massive, that massive cap number. Is that a good thing for the Steelers?

Like, I know he's been a great player, but he was not a great player. this year for, you know, at all times. And then he's a year older. Although a year further removed from that Tommy John surgery, is it a good thing considering Stafford's out there, James is out there. There's other guys that would fit how they like to play.

Is that a good thing for the Steelers? Well, you know, the Steelers are not a normal franchise, right? So the one thing I do love about him is that I think, you know, another year removed from the Tommy John, I think he's going to be fine. What they need, they need a running game. And I love Connor, but Connor's a free agent. So do they bring him back? I think they need to get a little younger at the offensive line.

But they need to find a running game. They need to take that pressure off a bend. I mean, they threw the ball over 70% of the time this year. They're the only team in the National Football League that threw that that threw that much. And when you're a one-sided offense, every defense knows how to stop you. And that put more pressure on him. and unfortunately they couldn't find that running game. If they can find a running game,

go along with that defense, I think they're right back in the mix. Rod, great stuff, man. I'll tell your wife how great you were if that helps. I appreciate it. All right, man, we'll catch up soon. Thanks for joining us. All right, take care now.

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Now look, Colin isn't to the Nick Wright level of LeBron fandom, but he's not far behind. So I watch and listen every day. And I think Colin was it two days ago, right? Remember he lit up the calves and he had 23 in the fourth quarter. And then LeBron was like, yeah, somebody, somebody was too excited in the cabs for an office when I missed a shot. And so I made them pay. Like, all right.

Good for LeBron. Like that's his Jordan make up some sort of hater mom. moment so that he can go and hit shots. And no one's denying LeBron's awesome, right? And it's amazing what he's doing at his age, 18 years in the league and continues to be one of the elite players. But I do find it at least a little bit peculiar that when he played poorly against the Warriors and they were beaten by the Warriors, nobody said anything.

And you could sit here and tell me that, well, you know, last night they didn't have Anthony Davis. You're right. They didn't. they did have LeBron James and he didn't play particularly well. Definitely didn't shoot well. Four for eight from three, but eight of 19 from the floor, he was a minus 11. Again, I'm not laying the loss completely on his plate.

Like, I have reasonable takes, right? Reasonable takes. It's also, it's a reasonable take to say, what are we doing here? Where we only mention when LeBron plays great, we don't mention he played poorly against, He didn't, he didn't, very little against the Bulls. He did very little, he didn't play particularly well against the Warriors. Last night, statistically he was fine, but the reality is they lost to the Pistons, who are a weird team.

They got like five wins all over playoff teams, but that's five wins so far this year. And the Lakers went scoreless for nearly seven minutes from the 840 mark in the fourth quarter to the 1.50 mark in the fourth quarter. Couldn't score. The Brahma's on the court. So I just, I think it's a reasonable take to go like, hey, are we going to get to where we actually talk about guys in totality. We don't just cherry pick the parts we like it, the parts we don't like.

I'm not going to sit here and ride the Golden State game or ride last night's game because I'm reasonable. It's the end of a long East Coast road trip. He played well against the bucks, just like the Nets played well against the bucks. But like we will pick apart the Nets losing the calves. We don't say anything about the Lakers losing. losing to the Sixers or losing to the pistons, right? Or the war, like, it's a weird, if we're going to give, I like congruent arguments.

If the argument is, hey, I'm only going to judge you based upon your best games. Fine, let's do that for everybody. If the argument is we're going to judge you based upon the totality of your performances, fine, let's do that for everybody. If the argument's going to be, we're only going to judge you for your bad performances. Fine, let's do that for everybody. He is human. he is in his mid to late 30s.

He has played 18 years. And it was a long road trip, and he didn't have Anthony Davis. Like, look, I'm totally reasonable about he didn't play well. They didn't play well. You're ready to go home. But we can't say still a bronze league because he had a night against the Cavs where, I mean, did you see the guy? How many Cleveland Cavaliers can you name that are actually playing?

Like, oh, Kevin Love, not playing. not playing because they don't want them to get hurt because they're trying to trade them. So I like congruent arguments. I mean, I saw, it was funny. I saw Nick Wright, he tweeted out, you know, about Brady complaining about not getting calls in the NFC championship. Like, are we going to make the same thing about LeBron James? Like, same guy.

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a proverb to tell you why the Dallas Cowboys should look at Philly, should look at the Rams, maybe even look at the Texans, but look at Philly and the Rams. And Pittsburgh or else. But if you just look at Philly and the Rams, it gives you a clear indication on what they should do regarding Dak Prescott.

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Proverbs. Right. Have you ever used a proverb, right? Right? The old, it's a wise man learns, you know, what is it? Otto Van Bismarck famously said, only a fool learns from his own mistakes. A wise man learns from the mistakes of others. You're like, oh, that's good.

that's good that's good I mean Bruce Lee kind of you know kind of took that one and used it Bruce Lee's quoted a wise man can learn from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wiser question like Bruce didn't know

let's go with the auto van what was the guy's name? Auto van Bismarck one only a fool learns from his mistakes a wise man learns from mistakes of others have you noticed what's going on in L.A well apparently they don't like Jared Gough anymore, right?

His general manager, Les Need, who drafted him, signed him to a gargantuan extension a year before he had to, said in a press conference, he's the quarterback with the Rams. He's on the Rams for now.

And there'll be an open quarterback competition if he's on the roster in the summer and in the fall. Like, wait, wait, what? Excuse me? This is a dude with a huge cap hit, quarterback, led you to a Super Bowl a couple years ago. Led you to the playoffs this year. Granted, they're all into John Wolford.

But what? Look at Philadelphia. I mean, the whole thing is about Carson Wentz. It's what led to a breakup of the front office with the head coach who got fired. It's the reason they went and hired Nick Casario, right? they go out and hire like a Frank Reich disciple, Frank Reich's right-hand guy because Frank Reich is the only coach that seemed to have a handle on how to coach Carson Wentz.

And why don't they get rid of Carson Wentz? And why don't the Rams just get rid of Jared Goff? What do you think? I mean, the same reason the Atlanta Falcons are not going to get rid of Matt Ryan. and the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to start. They're going to have to take Big Ben back. Matt Stafford can say, like, I'll do anything to come play for the Pittsburgh Steelers. You guys need a strong-armed quarterback.

I'm that guy. I just dream of playing for a functional organization. Let me just get out. They're like, sorry, we had Big Ben's got a $41 million cap number, dead cap number. We can't get rid of them. Retires, that money doesn't go away. So they have to rework his deal and push that, you know, kick that kind of canned down. down the street a little bit.

I bring it up because, you know, the Cowboys and Dak Prescott, that Prescott's a free agent. Now, they could franchise tag him. I could offer him a long-term extension, which they previously did. But if you're a wise man, don't you learn from the mistakes of others? Maybe they know, they know that DAC is way better than we think. But I should point out, you go back two years ago, not this season, the previous year. They didn't beat any of the good teams.

I remember, and then they had a chance against Philadelphia on the road. And Philadelphia's got dudes off the street playing wide receiver. And they can't score points. And it's not about surrounding him with supporting cast. He got a highly paid running back who was the highest paid running back in the league. They just paid Amari Cooper $100 million. They just drafted C.D. Lamb. And that offensive line is, I mean, they've spared no expense.

Do I think the offensive line is as good as it used to be? Of course not. but it's not for lack of spending or lack of investment in terms of draft picks historically from the Dallas Cowboys. They have done everything in their power to make this guy have everything he could possibly need, including keeping his offensive coordinator, even though they changed coaches. And they still weren't beating the good teams this year. So here's my question. Shouldn't you learn from the mistakes of others?

Right I Forever people have been scared of that second year of the franchise tag We're can spike You're like oh I don't want to pay 37, $38 million dollars $40 million for one year Would you prefer to have a guy stuck on your team

That you don't want anymore Is that what you're saying? Right I mean like look even from the other side to it All these guys have all these football players have polluted your minds to think, well, football players don't have guaranteed contracts.

Yes, they do. They just might not be as long or as fruitful as NBA or NFL players. Why? Because they get hurt very easily. And then their careers are over or dramatically altered. But like, Deshaun Watson got $73 million up front. Like within a couple weeks of signing a deal,

he got $73 million wired to his account or to an escrow account. It's just sitting there. cold hard cash. Now we finally pay a guy. So, all right, that's good. We got cost certainty. We got Deshawn Watson. And he's like, nah, I'm not feeling it.

What do you mean you're not feeling it? Like, we're building the whole thing around you. We got you left tackle. We went and tried to rework our wide receiving core. Now David Johnson comes off the books. Now we've got more money to spend. We're going to work some things around. We brought in a GM.

I'm not feeling it. If you're really wise and you're the Cowboys, this is the out. you've been looking for. Hell, you can go get Matt Stafford mid-20s. Short-term deal. Right? Trade for Matt Stafford, work his deal.

A couple years, 20-something. Why do I want to pay 30-something million dollars and have this gigantic deadcap money bill where he has a bad year? I want to get rid of him like a Jared golf like Carson Wentz, and I can't. They didn't make the playoffs last year, despite having far and away the best roster

and healthiest roster in their division. Remember, that was a division where the Giants sucked. The Redskins sucked. And frankly, the Eagles were so injured that it didn't even matter if they were good or not. They just completely banged up. And they didn't win the division. And they played like Arizona

was bad and Miami was bad. And they just didn't beat any of the good teams or Philadelphia. So a wise man should learn from the mistakes of others. And the mistakes of others are to sign Dak Prescott to some long-term deal.

How many of these things work? Like, we say it in baseball all the time, don't we? Now, baseball, the length is two or three times as long. Here we go, Bryce Harper. Here we go. It's old, like, Albert Pouls. When did that, that thing didn't work out? I mean, maybe Bryce Harper and Mike Trout because of where they are, but by the time

they're mid to late 30s, like no steroids in baseball, I don't know. If I'm the Cowboys, I look at all these quarterback situations and they all, I mean, like, look, that's going to. be the thing with Aaron Rogers. He signed a gigantic contract. They don't want to get rid of him, but because it has basically an exit clause next year, he's going to want a new deal. Ben Rothesberger, he reworked his deal a couple years ago. Remember, I might retire, I might not. Gee, I don't know. Oh, oh, you found some more money. Guess what? I'm coming back. Why can't they

get rid of him? Forty-one million dollar cap hit. There's a bunch of different ways to work it, but the Dallas Cowboys signing up for another bad deal or another potentially bad deal would not be learning from the mistakes of others. It would be repeating the mistakes of others. It would be, you know, I mean, you would have thought the Germans would have paid attention to Napoleon. Don't fight a war on two fronts or attack Russia in the dead of winter, but they didn't pay attention, right?

Why do we study history so we're not doomed or deemed to repeat it? It's not even ancient history. fucking present history. The Eagles and the Rams provide you the blueprint for why you should not sign your quarterback to some gargantuan deal if he's not an absolute dude. I mean, even the Chief's thing, which by all accounts, like, he kind of did him a solid up front. But at some point, that thing becomes live.

You get a couple years from now, and the Chiefs are going to have to hope they hit on draft picks because they'll be paying him so much money. It is not going to be a ton of money to go around. for other star players. That's why everybody's trying to get paid now. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

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