The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 02/10/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: February 10, 2021

Doug Gottlieb fills in for Colin to tell you why Russell Wilson needs to be more accountable for his role in the Seahawks underachieving instead of blaming others. He also explains how Tom Brady's success has ruined it for other quarterbacks of this era. Plus, former NFL quarterback Brock Huard joins the show to discuss the Super Bowl and what happened to the Chiefs unstoppable offense.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be in. However you may be making this part of your day, thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Phil again for Colin Cowherd. Our fearless leader, The Herd is brought to you by Jersey Mike's subs, a sub above. Welcome in. It is a Wednesday. It is a hump day. We are two and a half, three days removed from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers being crowned. Super Bowl champions. How about that? If you're not a social media guy, you should note that Colin, we missed him. We didn't know.

Put out an Instagram yesterday, going through a little health scare, but he's good, he's fine, and just tweeted out that Charles Barkley called him this morning. I called him several times. He didn't tweet about it at all. Charles Barkley calls him, and his wife, Ann, spits out her coffee.

he can't believe how thoughtful and considerate Charles Barkley is. Nonetheless, the herd is brought to you by Jersey Mike's subs be a sub above. This is interesting. You know, I watched Sunday, and for people who listen to the Doug Gottlieb show, it's daily three to six Eastern time, 12 to 3 Pacific. All week I said Tampa in the under, thought that Tampa would run the football a ton, and thought to Tampa would be able to get after Pat Mahomes without blitzing a ton because the Chief's offensive line was so depleted.

Now, I didn't know that the Chiefs wouldn't put into place enough protections for Pat Mahombs where he never felt like he set his feet. And we'll talk about Mahomes and his performance and why no one will say what everybody thinks in watching him into Super Bowls, but nonetheless. You know, afterwards, he, he, He didn't say anything negative about his coach, his coaching staff, their preparation, his offensive line. How, Sammy Watkins, you know, if you're double teaming Travis Kelsey, if you're double teaming Tyree Kill,

it stands the reason that Sammy Watkins should be open wasn't open a ton. Right. There was no mention of wide receivers not getting open, offensive line, not blocking, coaching staff not preparing, coaching staff not adjusting. None of that. there was simply accountability. Hey, we got to get better. You know?

This is Pat Mahomes after the game. A lot of times it gets put on that O line because I'm scrambling around. But if we're not executing as far as me making the right reads and getting the ball out of my hand to the receivers on time, then nothing's going to work. So they get that blame sometimes, but it's not deserved because, I mean, a lot of it's on me and people just don't see it that way. How about that?

Hey, I know people want to say it's on them, but it's on me. Now, I want you to consider that, okay? Now, here's a kid who's in his fourth, you just completed his fourth year in the NFL, and he's had an unbelievable amount of success. Didn't start his first year except for game, game 16. Started his second year was the MVP of the league. They lose in the FC championship game on all sides call,

which was a good call, but one in which is no, an interception that would have won them the game. He's third year in the NFL. They trail on all three playoff games, come from behind all three games, including the Super Bowl. He's a Super Bowl MVP. Fourth year in the NFL, again, goes well.

They don't dominate, but they're clearly the best team in the AFC. They get to a Super Bowl, and they get annihilated. And a good portion of the reason was that he was underdress the entire game. And he offered no parachutes for himself. instead, simply a soft landing for his offensive line. Hey, I know they get some of the blame or a lot of the blame, but mostly it's not on them. It's on me.

I got to get rid of the football. This is Russell Wilson, who not as highly touted, drafted later in the draft, did start his rookie year, you know, has been to Tusser Bulls, 1-1. This is Russell Wilson yesterday on the Dan Patrick show. on why he should have say in personnel decisions?

I think that ultimately, for me personally, I think that I want to be able to be involved because at the end of the day, it's your legacy, it's your team's legacy. It's the guys you get to go into the huddle with. And at the end of the day, those guys, you've got to trust. Are you involved in personnel decisions? Have you been involved in personnel decisions?

Not as much. I don't, you know, I think that, you know, for me. Do you want to be involved, Russ? Yeah, I think it helps. I think it helps to be involved more. But I think that's, that dialogue should, should happen more often in my opinion.

Everyone's talking about what Russell Wilson said, um, in terms of should he have a say, should he not have a say? I just can't believe what he said, right? This is two days removed from him being the Walter Payton man of the year. Now,

I understand that that has to do with your good works off the football field. Okay. But one would think that if you're thoughtful and giving of your time, of your money, of your energy, of your resources for the greater good of the world or a specific part of the community, you would have the same sort of thought process in your work. But he told reporters yesterday he was tired of being hit. He told Dan Patrick he wants, you know, he wants some say in personnel decisions. He's throwing his offensive line under the bus when he is just as, if not more guilty, than Pat Mahomes of holding on the football too long. For the entirety of Russell Wilson's career, ask yourself, Sunday afternoons,

east to west coast, when you turn on the Seahawks game, what are you using? to sing. Russell Wilson running around trying to make a play on the last drive of the game. That's how every Seahawk game seems to be on repeat. It's like Groundhog Day. Again and again. And whether

or not his offensive line stinks or his running game isn't good enough or his offensive coordinator, of course they've made a change this year, his offensive coordinator didn't fit with his skill set. Whatever the reason is, you got another dude who just lost a Super Bowl and was

clearly under duress and the coaching staff clearly didn't prepare or adjust well to the type of pressure he was seeing and the offensive line was totally depleted by injury and he was 100% accountable and now you have russell wilson who won a super bowl lost the super bowl in which he threw the game losing interception by the way like we we we talk all about well they should have given to marshall lynch they should have done this like russellson threw the pick that's it End the story. Josina Anderson said, attacks from a source,

I know this. Nobody is trading Russell Wilson. All you can do is fix the O line and learn new offense. We all knew that. Can't compare yourself to Brady. Oh, he compared himself to Brady and the LeBron James. Like, look, this dude needs to get over himself. This dude is so entitled, it is silly.

And I like Russell Wilson. Like, I like Russell Wilson. I think most people like Russell Wilson. It's fun to watch him. Got a great arm. Got great legs. Seems to understand how to how to keep his balance and be ready for the big moment. He's as good as anybody has ever been in the history of the National Football League of moving, setting his feet quickly,

and having great power and accuracy throwing the football. He's fantastic. But dude, what? are you doing? I'm tired of being hit. That's calling out the offensive line. I want player personnel. I want to be involved in player personnel.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What people need to remember about Adrian Peterson, or most of us remember, is that AD, and just so we're aware, his nickname is AD. His initials are AP. Adrian Peterson's nickname is all day. Always has been because when he's a little kid, he ran around, he had energy all day, right?

So it was AD. AD at 26 years old Tours ACL. The next year he returned, played a full season and had a 2,000 yard season. He averaged 131.1 yards rushing. And what did that do? It completely changed how we viewed running backs,

how we viewed anybody coming off a torn ACL, right? He ruined it for everybody. That's exactly what Tom Brady is doing for the National Football League. I've heard all these discussions about, well, you know, had Mahomes beaten Brady, he could catch Brady. But now it's really hard. You know, seven to one, it's very difficult. Very difficult.

Difficult. Nobody in the NFL plays quarterback's been to more than five Super Bowls. I mean, it's he's the outliers, outlier. And I understand that the way in which quarterbacks are protected now, they're less likely to be hurt and they can play longer. That's, there's a reason these guys are playing longer. But Philip Rivers is a great quarterback. He was washed for the last two years.

Drew Breeze is going to retire this year. He was washed for the last two years. Like, that's normal. Just like Adrian Peterson is the outliers, outlier. Most guys struggle their first year back. Second year back, they're usually back to being close to their old selves. And then, of course, their career is shortened because once you go in and have that thing redone, there's always something else that's going to go wrong or it begins early.

Like, your knee is never the same. That's, and I hate this word sometimes, normal, abnormal as Adrian Piers. Peterson at 35 years old, still having some gas in the tank. After suffering 10 years ago, a debilitating ACL injury, then coming back and come back by the year, MVP, the league. Tom Brady's, like you hear Russell Wilson, I want to play Tom 40s. Aaron Rogers, I want to play in my 40s. The only reason, the only guy who's had real success in their 40s is this guy.

and he's screwed up the whole thought process of what makes an incredible career. He's been to 10 Super Bowls. Do you realize how unlikely that is? Yeah, there's some luck to it. There's the credit of playing in a bad division with the best coach in the history of football and being the most successful quarterback in the history of football. But when we use that as our guide to greatness, it's completely skewed.

It's like if you or I, we compare our salaries to that of professional athletes. Like we can't. The scale is completely off because most people, they don't, that's not the, it's not normal. That's something, if you create like a graph, right, that's something, a complete outlier to wherever you are on the S curve. And that's what Brady is. You cannot use his career, his success, His numbers, his longevity, his ability to do it as long as he's done it,

as anywhere close to a guide for what's a reasonable sense of what a great quarterback is. Every other great quarterback, I mean, look, Dan Marino is great. He went to one Super Bowl. And it was early in his career, and everybody thought, he's going to be back five or six times. He played for a great coach in Don Chula. He never sniffed the Super Bowl again, ever. And he played forever. He played like 13 more years and never got to a Super Bowl again.

for Don Chula. Whereas Brady now, like, there's, he's not using the performance enhancers that Bonds did, but that's what Bonds did for, you know, that, that's really the problem with the steroids and the whole run chase and why I wouldn't put him in the baseball Hall of Fame. It's not that he led the league in home runs. He had 73, so it completely changes how we look at any number. Because once you've seen 73, you're like, well, nothing else compares.

Of course not. You take an all-time great. You pump him full of steroids. late in his career, he has this ridiculous surge in a ballpark that's built to the way he gets the baseball. Brady has ruined it for everybody because they all think they can on some level play as long and as well as long as he's played. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Hurd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

Let's welcome in Brock Heward, of course, Fox Sports NFL analyst. He played six seasons in the National Football League with the Hawks. growing up, you know, I played at UW. He was Gatorade National Football Player of the Year in the state of Washington. Let me ask you, Russell Wilson goes on, Dan Patrick yesterday, says, you know, essentially, I'd like to have some personnel decision-making. He told reporters, he's tired of getting hit. What is he trying to accomplish? Yeah, that's a good question, Doug, and one that we're being turning about in the Pacific Northwest quite a bit,

because you usually hear this around negotiation time. About the only time that Russell, if you go look at the Gottlieb show or the herd in the different times off the field, you have heard from Russell, it has been around his negotiation. And his team and the people around him, I think, have done a very good job. He's been paid incredibly handsomely and on his, what, third contract in Seattle. And you don't normally hear from him off the field unless it's about. getting his money. And this is a little bit different. This is a little bit unique. I think this is Russell sitting there at the Super Bowl in that, in that commissioner's box with Mr. Goodell watching it going,

gosh, for a lot of my career, I've had to look like Mahomes. I've been the one that's been hit 30 times a game. I'm the one that's been running around. I'm the one doing that. And I'd sure like as I get into my mid-30s and he wants to play until he's 45, I'd sure like it to look like it did for Tom, where I can play. I should pass, get the ball out of my hand and not take the beating. And it's not even the 3994 sacks. That's been referenced a lot through nine years more than any quarterback in the league. It's the hits. It's the hurries. It's the pounding his body has taken. It's a commitment, Doug, that he makes to making sure that he's at every practice in every game as he has been for nine years. And I think you hear a player say, we need to protect better. Now, is that the right attitude? Is that the right way to go about?

it. I don't see a lot of upside in making it public. When he's got three more years on his deal, John Schneider just got extended and Pete's extended. So I don't know why this had to be done in the private manner, I don't, or the public manner. I don't think there's a ton of upside. But obviously he and his team felt like they wanted to have his voice heard. Doug Gottliebind for calling this is the herd. Is it possible? Again, this is a thought that I had. he was in the commissioner's box and Antonio Brown catches a touchdown pass and if we remember when Antonio Brown was suspended

the two guys that he worked out with were Tom Brady and Antonio Brown right? Yep. And he ends up with Tom Brady in Florida. And again, I don't think it's solely about Antonio Brown but I'm just wondering out loud is if you went to Pete or you went to John Daniels and you're like, look we can have Antonio Brown

I'm excuse me, John Snyder. If you go to, I said John Day, that's the Rangers guy. If you go to John Snyder and you're like, look, we can get Antonio Brown. Just tell me, I'll make the call. I'll make it happen. And they're like, eh, can't do it. Can't do it. And then, you know, you get in the playoffs.

And in addition, and not having a great offense line and struggling with the run game, you only have one wide receiver now. They're taking away D.K. Matcalf. Is there possible that you're watching Antonio Brown catch a touchdown in the Super Bowl? and you're thinking like, what, what am I doing here where I can recruit a guy and I still can't get my team to buy in? Well, I think it's possible that he views himself and he probably can make a pretty strong case that he's got more equity than Deshaun Watson, that he's got a ton of leverage, that he's done enough in nine years and eight pro bowls. You know, much like Tom, you know, surrounded himself with the cast of characters. I think that is what you're hearing.

I don't know if it's necessarily Antonio because his off-the-field record kind of speaks for its. And I don't think Jody Allen, Paul Allen's sister who's running the club, was probably terribly excited about that, nor some of the others in the building there. I do think it is just flexing his power muscle. Players have more voice, more power. They're more empowered than they've ever been. And I think this is a little bit of a flex job saying, hey, man, we've got to get it right. A year ago, at the Pro Bowl, he said, I need more superstars.

After losing in the playoffs, they beat the Eagles, they lose in the second round. and he was at the Pro Bowl, made some waves, said, hey, man, we need superstars. We got to win with superstars. And you know what? The club went out, acquiesced, and traded for Jamal Adams, traded for Carlos Dunlap, added some stars. This is him, I think, flexing his muscle, saying at this stage, I need more help up front. Lockett and Metcalf are pretty solid. I got a few defensive stars still that can make some plays.

But we need to be better up front. And a year ago, they went volume dug. They signed B.J. Finney. they signed a boy he they signed Brandon Schell they signed a bunch of guys and I think he would have preferred Jack Conklin spend on one give me a bona fide difference maker

that can block Leonard Floyd that can block Aaron Donald don't just give me volume give me difference makers up front I think more than anything that's what Russell's trying to flex yeah the problem with that is like in the NFL when you sign a free agent the hit rate's like 33%

right and and so that's I think why the Seahawks are better, they feel they're better spreading it, spread it out instead of locking in on one guy. You lock it on one guy and that guy doesn't play and you are screwed. Yes. So it's a philosophical difference, but it's a classic difference between management, who's, they've been through this for a long time. They're like, look, dude, it's a 50% hit rate on first round draft picks, 33% hit rate on free agents. Like, let's be smart and play the numbers game as opposed to players that think they want to chase names.

And they're convinced that everybody works. Yeah, and you know what else is a little odd about this, Doug? Is they had about two and a half weeks together where they were finding a new coordinator. And by all accounts, from what I had heard behind the scenes, this was the guy, Shane Waldron from the Rams, that Russell was most excited about. I mean, I think they interviewed like 14 guys. You know, same approach that they take in free agency and the draft and everything else, turn over every stone, try to learn as much as possible. They did the same thing. And when push came to shove from the people that I talked to behind the scenes, you know, Russ was super.

super excited about this. Getting a guy that, you know, minimizes some of the offensive line challenges. That's what McVeigh's scheme does so well with the Rams and adding a little bit more variety and finding more layups and finding more answers. And literally a week later on the heels of that, you go public in this manner. And it, to me, as I said,

just didn't necessarily add up. It's a slap in the face. And it's, I watched the Super Bowl and I saw a bunch of names playing for Tampa. And I, like, he thinks he's LeBron. He thinks he's Tom Brady. That's what I took because he mentioned both of them.

You see Tom Brady and you see LeBron like, okay, dude, easy, easy. You know, which one of these things is not like, you know, LeBron, Tom Brady, Russell, and went, gosh, I remember being like Mahomes, right? When I came out of college, I ran four or five and I was the wizard. I was the guy making throws at everybody who was like, no way. How is that even humanly possible? And then on the other end of it, he looks at Tom and says, you're right, man, that's the mogul.

That's been doing it for 20 years and in the greatest of all time. I fancy myself on that path and want to be on that path. And I'm looking at the progression of his game and how he operates and just dissects everything from between the tackles and realizes if he's going to play till he's 40 or in his mind 45, the game is going to have to start looking a little bit more like Brady's than it was like Mahomes. Okay. What was worse for Kansas City?

The game plan, not including, you know, chipping the D-Ns or the fact that they didn't adjust when it was quite obvious they couldn't block Kansas City. The game plan going in, I can somewhat understand, and I debate this all the time, both with college coaches and pro coaches, because, and you know this, Doug, you love coaching, you've been around every game there is, and a coach says, hey, man, this is what we do. Okay, we are who we are. Oh, old football guy. We do, we do, we do it well, that's, make them adjust.

But here's the deal. When you say to your team, this is a line that they walk, okay, this is a line that they walk. If they go in and go, hey man, okay, so I'll give you a perfect example. My very first start in the NFL, okay? My first start way back when leather helmets and everything was against the Carolina Panthers and Reggie White. Mike Holmgren was the head coach of the Hawks. Reggie White, you know, won a Super Bowl with coach. He knew how unbelievable he was, but he was 16 years into the league. But you know what we did that game plan? We changed everything. We were going to slide on our Fox 2 protection. We're going to slide to Reggie White. We're going to do all of this. Oh my gosh, we got to

handle Reggie. And honestly, I think it in some ways backfire. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. A, he's not what he was 10 years ago. But B, you don't believe we can do our normal stuff. Like, you think we've got to change everything. You think we got to chip. We got to keep people in. We've got to change everything. So you're telling your old line, you guys aren't good enough. Right. I mean, that's the other side of it. That's why you walk in and you may say, and Andy and Eric said, hey, we do what we do. Patrick will get the ball out. We'll scat protect 92% of the time. This is who we are. You know, we believe in. in our guys at front.

Well, I think it's more, if you want me to answer the question, I think it's more of the latter. After that first quarter, when you couldn't block those guys, now you adapt. Okay, now everyone realizes, including those tackles, I can't block these guys. I need a tight end. I need chipping. I need help.

It should have never been 92% of the time in five-man protection. So I think it fell a little bit more on that in-game adjustment than it did some of the psychology going in. I thought it was the difference in the coaching was night and day. the lack of adjustments were kind of embarrassing to Kansas City. I thought that meaning, like, how can you not, how can you not change? I just, I don't, I don't understand it. No, but I did love that Mahomes didn't throw anybody under the bus afterwards.

Said, I got to get rid of the ball quicker. It's not on the offensive line, right? Like, that's. So I'll give you want one more quick little story? Yeah. You're probably up against. I'll give you one more quick little story from the way back machine. Do you remember, so the Packers won the Super Bowl, they go back and they lose to Elway

and the Broncos. and I think the Packers had a much better team and overall. But they brought in that game, the Broncos brought, I think it was Robinson, was the defense coordinator, Greg Robinson,

a will-free safety blitz against a protection that the Packers did not have a good answer to. And they hit them over and over and over. And that adjustment did not happen in game. So for years later, guess what we did in the system, we made sure in that system, right?

I mean, this is years later when I get into the NFL, like, hey, man, this 57 protection, it was put in because of that Super Bowl. Because of just the fact that they couldn't figure it out in game was so irritating, was so annoying, was so bothersome that truly a protection went into the West Coast system because of that blitz the Broncos threw at the Packers that day. And I think after the fact, Andy and Eric and the rest of the crew will go, that can't happen again.

If we get into a game like that, we can never be 92% of the time five-man protection. and we've got to adapt better in game. Brock, great stuff, man. I can't wait to talk about more of this quarterback stuff next time you join us. Appreciate to being our guest in The Hurt. You got it, Doug. Sounds good. Be sure to catch live editions of the HARD weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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On our podcast, Inside American Soccer, you'll get the real storylines. I'm not worried about Policic. I'm not worried about Balligan. I'm not worried about McKinney. My only concern is what happens in the back. The biggest decisions. If you're going to look at stats and numbers, he has no shot at making this World Cup team.

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And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.

I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, I don't know anybody who doesn't like Mahomes. He has an incredible arm. remarkable escapeability. And when he escapes, it's not necessarily to run, although he was leading them and rushing. It's to throw.

He's got a crazy quick release, big hands so he can change arm ankles. Like, there's nothing you feel like he can't do. And it's reasonable to think that he's still refining his skill set. And the more he sees, the better he'll adjust and the better a quarterback he will be. All of these things are reasonable. Daniel Jeremiah is going to join us upcoming in 10 minutes. And I have a thought for you. I have a legit honest thought for you.

And it's this. Can we just for one second admit that Pat Mahomes has been in two super bowls and he hadn't really played all that well on him? Do you guys remember, do you guys remember when Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl. You guys remember that? Okay, so when Peyton Manning won the Super Bowl,

his first time with the Indianapolis Colts, who did they play? In the Super Bowl, they took on the Chicago Bears. This is in January of 2007, it's the 2006 season. The Bears were 13 and 3 on the year.

The Bears were quarterbacked, well, by Rex Grossman and for a short period time by Brian Gracie. So Grossman, though, started all 16 games, all 16 games. But he had 23 touchdowns and 20 interceptions on the season. And leading up to that game, leading up to the game, Lovie Smith continually had to answer the question of who his starting quarterback was. And the famous quote was, you know, Lovie Smith saying like,

Rex Horson is my quarterback. Rex Grossman is my quarterback. Rex is my quarterback. Grossman in the game, two picks, 20 of 28, 165. If you remember, it was pouring rain. Terrible weather in Miami, I believe what the game was.

Even Peyton threw a pick, 247, but they end up kind of gutting out a win. And they got it. They were actually trailing in the game, trailing in the game 14-9 in the second quarter before they marched down the field, scored and never looked back, had a 16 to 4 lead at the half, kicked the field goal early in the second half,

and won 29 to 17 going away. The point is that when I say the name Rex Grossman, you're like, and then I'd remind you that he was very much on the hot seat as the starter in the Super Bowl, and they played in a rainstorm at Dolphin Stadium, and he threw for 164, five yards, one pick, two interceptions. So when I, I mentioned the name Rex Grossman,

I know that there's lots of Bears fans that go, Gag, Gag, Ging. Rex Grossman, a higher passer rating in the Super Bowl than Pat Mahomes has had in his two Super Bowls. I'm not comparing him to Marino in a loss. I'm not comparing him to Brady and any of his losses. I'm not comparing him to Fav, to Rogers, to Russell Wilson when they lost to the Patriots.

I'm comparing him to Rex Grossman. And it's not that quarterback, that passer rating is the end-all be-all. Okay. But if we're honest with ourselves, and I think Mahomes has been honest, he didn't play well. I didn't like their game plan. I didn't like their adjustments. No one did. It's really interesting, right?

Like when things are going great, it's like, man, Andy Reid, that offense, amazing. Mahomes incredible. Things go poorly. Man, Andy Reid didn't. And I agree, he did not adjust. Or whoever is making the calls or whatever, there weren't the proper adjustments. And he was under duress.

But, yikes. This is two years in a row. He made some incredible plays to beat the Niners. If Carapolo connects to Emmanuel Sanders, if Carapolo maintains his poise, they lose to the Niners, they lose to the Patriots. And we're having a different discussion. I understand that's not how the world work.

we are result-oriented and he did step up and make big plays last year and they did win the Super Bowl. But his combined pass rating is below that of Rex Grossman, who's not a great quarterback and was playing in a rainstorm in the exact same game. It's okay to say, hey, Pat Mahomes is a great player. He's going to have a great career. You love him. But he's played bad. And if you think there's not precedent for it, go back and look at John Elway. and how he played in his first two super bowls.

Boat blowout losses. So there is precedent for it, and there is a bounce back possibility. But it's just like, let's be honest. Even Mahomes owned it after the game. Like, you know, it's not all the offensive line. A lot of it's me. I got to make my reads better.

I got to get rid of the football quicker. That stuff that he was doing, that he wasn't, he didn't always have to run. And that's what happens when guys get hit and get hit early and get uncomfortable. They run when they don't have to. They start hearing footsteps. But he did hear footsteps. And it's very, very reasonable to say, I love Pat Mahomes.

I think he's a great quarterback. I think there's a good chance. It's a better than average chance that they're going to get back to the Super Bowl and compete sometime within this next big contract. Maybe even next year because the AFC is still not great, not deep. And they have Mahomes and they have Kelsey and they have Tyree. and they have Chris Jones and they have Tyra Matthew. Like, all of that is fine.

But if you're going to say that, use the same exact energy to admit that Pat Mahomes, through two surpoles, hasn't played particularly well through most of them. You know, if you have eight quarters and two super bowls, seven of them, he hadn't played particularly well.

He didn't play terrible at times Sunday, but there was nothing where you're like, wow, he's taking over this game. He's getting settled down. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was primed.

You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis keep coming to him. He's like, you know, I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. American soccer is about to explode. The World Cup is coming. Ramos sending on to Ernie Stewart for Chip. I'm Tab Ramos. I'm Tom Boe. On our podcast, Inside American Soccer, you'll get the real storylines,

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