The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 02/12/21 - HOUR 3 - Is Trevor Worthy, Ric Bucher, Best For Last

Episode Date: February 12, 2021

In this hour of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Chris Broussard and Rob Parker of The Odd Couple debate whether the Jacksonville Jaguars should draft Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence or fortify another position in need. Also, Chris and Rob react to former NBA star Kevin Garnett's comments about NBA players from 20 years ago competing in today's 3-point heavy league. Plus, FS1 and FOX Sports NBA analyst Ric Bucher joins Chris and Rob to share his input on Kevin Garnett's comments about past generations playing in today's NBA. Finally, Best for Last. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is the eye couple of Chris Broussard and Rob Parker. If you wonder what the heck is going on. We are filling in for the great Colin Cowherd, who will be back Monday. So we're all looking forward to that. What great news that is, Chris, to have Colin back. Yes. Absolutely. But for the next hour.

you're stuck with Chris Broussard and Rob. So sit back, relax, and enjoy. All right, Rob. We lovey-dovey, you know, Valentine's Day. But you don't sound so lovy-dovey when you talk about Trevor Lawrence. Because as great as he was at Clemson, as great as he apparently looked at his pro day in front of all the scouts today, You don't believe that the Jacksonville Jaguar should take him number one in the draft.

Please explain. You mean if they have a chance to trade? Well, they definitely have a chance to trade. Right. Well, I'm just, it's not that, you know, and Bucky Brooks, the NFL analyst and former player was on and he talked about Jacksonville's not ready to win now. I just, I don't know if I'm in that NFL anymore. No, not a Super Bowl. Not a Super Bowl, right.

Yeah, not a Super Bowl, but you can win, Chris. You can win. And if you could go get Deshawn Watson and build from there, like the big thing you always want to get, I get you got to have an offensive line and defensive line and a secondary and a running game. There's a lot of things that go into it, Chris. But the reason that Jacksonville didn't win or have a chance to win the Super Bowl,

what was the reason that they didn't win, Chris, when they had that chance, when they went up to New England and led by 10 in the second half. Well, they had played boarders as their quarterback. There you go. And that's my point. That's enough said. But that's my point is that you need an established quarterback. You just know it's not that Trevor Lawrence might not be the next guy.

You know, there's so many of these new young quarterbacks around who are trying to get to. Even Kyla Murray, Chris. Kyler Murray for all the Bally Who and everything about him, guess where his team was come playoff time? They were at home. Right. I get. Do you see what I'm saying?

So it's not that I'm saying Trevor Lawrence is going to be a boss so he can't play. But if you have a chance to upgrade to a proving commodity, a top five, we're not talking about somebody else's also ran or backup quarterback who had a great couple of games and now you think that he's going to be able to go up the next level. This is not a Ryan Fitzpatrick kind of deal. No, we're talking about one of the five best quarterbacks in the league. That makes you legitimate.

That gives you a chance to win from day one. Not a Super Bowl, but a chance to compete. A rookie quarterback doesn't. Bucky's sticking with the conventional wisdom, which I get. And the conventional wisdom is this. A lot of these top teams, you saw it with the Rams and Jared Gough when they got to the Super Bowl. You've seen it with Patrick Mahomes. I obviously been to two Super Bowls.

A lot of these teams, Baker Mayfield, the Browns are on the rise. They improve dramatically when their quarterback is young and on his rookie deal. Because you have the money. He's not making a lot of money. You can go out and get other parts around. them that help your team. And the percentages show that when a quarterback is making

too much money, too high of a percentage of your salary cap, you can't build around him and you can't win the Super Bowl. For the most part, that is the history. And I get that. Not in every case, right. Not in any case. Well, in most cases, though. I mean, Steve Young,

I think made 15%, 13 to 15% of the cap. That's the highest ever for a quarterback. But that was early when they, you know, this whole system was kind of just coming in to play. Tom Brady has won a lot of his Super Bowl's not making as much money as he could. Even this year he's only getting $25 million, which, you know, you would argue he should make more than that. So I get where he's coming from.

He just led him to a Super Bowl. That's another story for another day. But I'm with you ultimately, though, because for this reason, Trevor Lawrence looks great. I actually think he'll be great. I do. I can't say for sure, though, that he'll be better than Deshawn Watson. Deshawn Watson, I know, is great. And Deshawn Watson is only 25 years old. I wouldn't do it for Russell Wilson, who's 32. But for... No, Russell Wilson, would have to be... Right. Russell Wilson, you'd have to have a team in place right, to be able to make that trade. But Deshawn Watson at 25 is just a more season guy. He's a young

quarterback. You know he's young. We think Trevor will be great. We know Deshawn will be great. Now, I don't think, I don't think either one of us thinks Jacksonville will do this, but we would in that situation. Let's move to the NBA, Rob. And Kevin

Garnett, who is a basketball savant, very respected, one of the greatest players ever, one of the greatest power forwards ever, a champion, a winner, all that. He says something this week in an interview with the New York Times magazine that I just I'm sorry.

I couldn't stomach. Can I say something? Can I say what he said? What he said, Chris, was Mushugana. That's Yiddish for crazy, all right? It's Mushugana. That's what it was. What he said was so musugana, Rob,

that we had Antonio Daniels, who played in Garnett's area, and obviously wasn't the player Kevin Garnett was, but did win the championship with the San Antonio Spurs. He said he thinks that Garnett, instead of meeting players from 20, 30, or even 40 years ago, he meant players from 50 or 60 years ago in the 60s, okay? Because Kevin Garnett said that players from 20 years ago, 20 years ago,

let me remind you, 2001, okay? Was Kobe still playing? Wasn't Kobe playing? Iverson, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Garnett himself. Hold on. Bam out of Bayou's an All-Star who doesn't shoot three-pointers, but Kevin Garnett couldn't play in today's NBA? I'm KG selling himself and everyone else in his era short. What is he talking about, Rob?

I have no idea because as we've talked about it before, Chris, great players would just adjust to the game. Reggie Miller, what, Reggie Miller couldn't play? You know, back then guys would make it. Twice as many threes and scoring a lot of. more points. Big time. And you just mentioned

Ray Allen and some of these other guys who would be easily be able to adapt to this and what happens is you adapt to the game. Right? When it was about

being rough and tough in the pain and big guys and other teams, those are the kind of players the Charles Oakley's the Davis boys, Chris in Indiana and all that.

You know, those players were the players of the day. And now if you're talking talking about three-pointed. Don't tell me Michael Jordan couldn't play now. You can't touch Michael. You couldn't touch him defensively. And he would be able to shoot threes. He could shoot threes. They just didn't do it back then. He made seven, what, and a half in one of the NBA finals games. Right. When he threw his hands up, you remember at the TV camera, like, I don't

know what's going on. But here's the thing, though, Rob, it goes both ways. Because I totally agree with you. I think Bill Russell, and that's way back, but give him the strength training, the weight training, the nutrition, the better sneakers, the weight, you know, the new, yeah, trainers, better travel, charter flights versus commercial, all that. He'd be better too. He'd adjusted today's game. And you can go to say that for all the star players. But forget changing your game. Just as they were, they were good enough to play in today's game. And it. goes both ways. How about could today's players play in that era where you're getting hand checked?

So now I can have more control over where Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving are going. And when I get to the lane, it's not wide open like it is today where the floor is spread and I got one or two defenders max in the paint. It's wide open. Now, can I, could I finish when there's six, seven guys in the paint? three from my team, three or four from the opponent. And I can get hammered. I can get elbowed in the jaw.

And we just get up and shoot a free throw. Nobody's ejected. No flagrant. Could I adjust to that? How about these guys? Could they defend the post? Who's defending Shaq? Nobody.

Nobody. And he is in the post more than ever. He still is posting up most times, 12. 15 feet from the basket. He's not on that block. He's facing up like a perimeter player a lot of the times too. Who's stopping shack? David Robinson, Elijah Wine. Come on, man. We saw it in the last dance. You remember, we finally, for people who didn't watch Jordan or didn't get to see, you saw the treatment when he went to the pain, right? When he went to the basket. And there, you just said it. You mean the mistreatment? Yes, but there was no, you right, it could have been a

whistle for Michael Jordan every single time, right? No. Absolutely. There wasn't. It was a totally different game, and I agree with you, that if you're great, you can adjust. You will adjust. And I think that the people, the players of today have way more advantages and all the other technology, Chris, and even the simplest things as you just said about the sneakers

they wear. How in the world did the guys play in the NBA? with those converse. Chuck Taylor's. Chuck Taylor's with no... Even the docs. The Dr. J's were the soul with that. But they have no arch, Chris.

They're this big with plastic. Right. Right. All right. We'll get into this with Rick Buecker, the Fox Sports NBA analyst, and he has the podcast, Buker and Friends, in a moment.

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We welcome in to Fox Sports NBA analyst, host of the Bucher and Friends podcast. That's our good friend Rick Buecker. What's up, brother? What's up, Rick? Gentlemen, how are we? It's been too long, my man. Yes, good to have you on. That's not my fault.

You guys know where I am. I know. That's Rob's fault. That's Rob's fault. No, Rob G. Rob G. Rob Parker. We'll move on for that.

We got so much NBA to get into. I can't wait to hear your opinions. We just talk, let's start here because Rob and I just talked about it. Kevin Garnett's comments that guys, 20 years ago, not 60 years ago. 20 years ago could not play in today's NBA, your thoughts? It's probably one of the most inane things that I've heard, and we have a lot of inane topics to get thrown out there.

But this, look, if you took those guys and you parachuted them into today's game, if you took them as they were and then said, hey, you're going to play right now, yeah, you know what? The game has played different. The game is played at a much faster pace than it was. But if you're asking me, if I took one of those guys and I allowed him to prepare and to condition and to get ready to play this game as it's played, would they be able to play? Absolutely, they would be able to play. It's a matter of the game was different then.

I mean, look, when I first started covering the league, the guy was drafted. No matter who he was, no matter what he did at the college level, he had to put on 20, 25 pounds of muscle to be able to just get his shot off. A guy like Steph Curry would have had to change himself physically in order to play. Now we see everybody. I was trying to think who it was. Frank Kaminsky, I'm watching him run up and down with the Phoenix Sun. And I'm going, he wasn't even that.

Guinea in college. Like, guys have gone the other direction, and it's because of how the game is played. So this idea, and vice versa, like, if you took the majority of guys in the game game, and you asked them to play in the 90s, you just parachuted them in, they wouldn't be able to play. I mean, you know, we'll get to stuff and all that, but, like, you had to be able to physically carve out your space and get guys off of you to be able to get a shot up. That doesn't exist anymore. And Rick, we talk about it the same with Michael Jordan, where you used to be able to touch him defensively.

Now, if he played today, you couldn't hand check him, right? That's a foul. And you're going to tell us that if Michael at 3s became a part of the game, he wouldn't wind of being a great three-point shooter? Yes, he would. He would have down. Without question. Without question. I mean, look, he was a two-guard who made him, who developed a big man's game in order to function. So you're telling me that the guy who just ran through the league when he first

came in, I mean, don't look at Jordan in the late 90s and say, could that guy function? Look at Jordan at the beginning of his career in what he was doing to people. he would have savaged people because he would have continued to play that style and simply added a three-point shot to it. That's what I think is the great disservice to the players in the past. Even, you know, like we don't talk about Larry Bird or we can go down the line. The Dana Barrows, I mean, those guys who were great shooters then who took one or two threes a game, and now we see Marcus Saul and

Vucevic and like any number of guys knock down three it's just right it is it's silly that the idea that those guys who were shooters back then wouldn't have been tremendous shooters in today's game

well Rick this wasn't Deerrin Fox this was Kevin Garnett saying it that's what the thing that shocked me the most was KG what I mean quickly Bayamada Bayou is a star in today's game and doesn't shoot the three You're going to tell me KG couldn't have been better than Bam out of Bayou today? Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. Well, I will say this. I mean, and maybe it's just it's the effective age on KG because I've felt it myself. Like when I get tired watching guys go up and down at the pace, I'm watching Magic Warriors last night. And the pace was just so, it's so fast up and down nonstop. I was like, oh, my God. Maybe KG is just feeling that.

He's like, God, that would have warned me out playing that way. Right. And guys today don't play as many minutes either. You know, when we covered it, 38, 39 minutes wasn't unusual to average. No, no. You know. Like, if you go back, if you go back, there was a point at which there was, I think, I looked at it at one time. There was like 15 or 20 guys who averaged 40 plus minutes a game for the season.

And this was at a time where playing 82 games was a badge of honor. You didn't sit out. Even if you were dinged up, it was like whether it was public, media, there was a, you know, you were discouraged from doing that. And today, it's completely accepted that you're going to take a game off now and then. There's just, there's so much that has changed with the game and the mentality of the approach to the game, never mind the advanced sports medicine and everything else that I just, you know, comparing eras and suggesting, you know, the other one that gets me is that Jordan played

against plumbers and nobody, right, and janitors, you know, it's like, no, you know what he did is he made guys look like plumbers and january. Right, right. That's right. Look at that. there. Quickly, go here, Rob. I want to ask him about Steph. I know he's off on a hot streak playing really well. And then people are talking about MVP.

I don't see how he could be in an MVP conversation with that team because there's going to be other guys playing with better teams in for a chance at a championship. What chances do you think he has of winning an MVP? Well, I stepped in it because I was one of the first. I just didn't again. It was like, I'm looking at my Twitter feed. And when I open it, it was like Steph, Steph, Steph, Steph. And I finally, I tweeted out something, you know, because I'm all for positivity.

We don't have enough of it on social media. But it was just, it was overwhelming. And I made, I'm not going to say it was a mistake because I was just, it was my timeline. And I was responding to it. You know, I said, I've never muted anybody for positivity, but the gushing over Steph may make me rethink that policy. And, you know, Dubnation just came out in full. force and and let me have it. But, you know, what I found is I did mute a few select voices and now I can watch

and be happy. But look, I, I, I, what he does is just amazing. It is, it's flat out amazing. And I love to watch him play, the spirit with which he plays. But as you said, Rob, you know, when people start to talk about MVP, I don't have a problem with people acknowledging that stuff is great and that without Steph, this team wouldn't be able to do anything. But they're projected to win 37 games.

I know. That's ridiculous. There was a great uproar when Russ Westbrook averaging a triple double and the Thunder won 47 games. People thought that that was a major outlier. So I just look at it and go, you can talk about how great he's playing, but the idea that he's going to win MVP is just a bridge.

too far. So why do we have to go there? Why can't we just appreciate that he's making a bad team competitive as opposed to, hey, you know, he's playing as well as he did in his MVP years previously? I don't care what the stats say, because the game is at atrocious right now. He's not playing at that level. I mean, he's playing great and he's doing amazing things. But But let's, I just, you know, at the risk of ticking Dubnation off, I feel like my job is, I've been around this for a while, I've watched it. When people say ridiculous things, whether it's KG or, you know, a warrior's, you know, follower or media person, I feel like it's my job to go, hey, you know what, let's put this in context. And this ain't right. Rick, let's get to the Lakers.

How concerns should they be about Anthony Davis' sore Achilles? Well, Achilles, obviously, we saw it with KD. I mean, that's always a tricky injury. I don't see them being concerned as of right now. Certainly they need him healthy at the end of the year. And let's face it, this is AD's M.O. I mean, he's never fully healthy or has not been through the course of a season. And I actually, I kind of like what they're doing right now.

now. They look like a team that's won a championship and knows exactly how much energy they have to spend in order to win a game, and they're not spending an ounce more than that. They do not look indifferent for three and a half quarters, and then they seem to look at each other and go, okay, shall we play the defense? We're capable of playing. And they lock down and get the job done in spite of the fact that they don't have AD out there. So I feel as if, you know, his absence is forcing a lot of other guys to step up and do what they can do. And I think that's a great learning curve for them. It's only going to be, it's only going to make them tougher once he comes back.

So unless, you know, unless something happens, I'm looking at this as just preventive medicine. All right. That's Rick Bueger, Fox Sports. NBA analyst. Check him out on his podcast, Buker and Friends. Is that like Fox and Friends, Rick? I just want to know. Yeah, no, I wouldn't.

I'd probably say no. Rodney, I don't know that Rodney Hood was on my last one. Luke Kinnard's going to be on my next. And, yeah, I don't think the political leanings are quite as, quite the same response. I didn't think so coming from the Bay area, but I just had to ask, all right?

Quickly, Rick. I appreciate you asking, Rob. Quickly. Cross that T and dot that eye. MVP right now, quickly. LeBron or Joel Embed? That's a good question. I'm, I got, I would side with LeBron. And maybe part of that is because I think he, he deserved it last year.

And I'm thinking. But I like the idea of Embed being, being right there, probably what the overall record that the, the Lakers have gives, gives LeBron the nod. All right. That's our man, Rick Buecker. Thanks a lot, brother. We appreciate it. You got it, fellas. It's time for the Heard Line News. Here's Greg Toey.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Hurdline News. Oh, there it is. There is. Rob Parker, your favorite. Rob Parker, your favorite. I love it. I love it. Guys, lost in all the J.J. Watt News this morning.

Cal McNeer, the Texans owner, told Ian Rappaport from NFL Network, in regards to Deshawn Watson's future. There's a lot of misinformation out there and that he expects Watson to remain with the team. We look forward to having him back. Who said this, Greg? This was Cal McNair, the owner. The owner. Okay. ESPN's Jeremy Fowler dropped this this morning, said that Watson's intrigued by the Broncos and Niners.

Jets? Eh, probably not. Longtime NFL writer Tyler Dunn said the Dolphins and Niners are at the top of Deshawn's wish list. So I ask you, other than the Jags, Rob Parker, where is Deshaun Watson fit best? Both of you. Well, good question. Chris, you go first because I want to say, go ahead, you go. Well, look, while I'd love to see him in Indy, there's no way Houston's trading him to Indianapolis.

Right, that doesn't make sense, right. Right. Obviously, either of those teams, the Dolphins or the 49ers, is a great place to go. The Dolphins are a team on the rise. I think Brian Flores has done a great job there. But you also have that great defense with the Niners. I'd have to say he should be happy in either place. The Niners, you got the tough division to go through, right?

And in the AFC, you've got to see Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. and Josh Allen every year too. Yeah, but it's... So, um... I'm going to say because the best quarterbacks in the NFC are older, I'm going to say San Francisco. I'm going to say to AFC and the dolphins.

You know, you do have Buffalo in your way, but that division can be had on the AFC, right? New England's on the way down. The jets are down. There's some room near to wiggle. The dolphins are on there. way up. Didn't make the playoffs, but took some strides. And it's obvious that Tua, they didn't have total confidence in him. And if you add a quarterback, veteran quarterback, Greg and Chris,

you know, it could be the missing piece to take that next step. So I would say to Dolphins. Yeah, it's interesting because it sounds like the team that has the best package to send back, the Jets, he's souring on them a little bit. I think he's realizing that are they really that much better of a situation than I'm in here? Exactly. That's the point I made to Chris. I would love to see him go to the Jets. Obviously, they aren't where the other two teams are, but Robert Sala, you know, people are excited about him.

And the GM there now, Joe Douglas, he didn't hire Adam Gays. Everybody's saying, oh, he didn't hire Adam Gays. So Joe Douglas, let's give him a chance with his own coach. The Jets, Rob, we've talked about it. They've been, you know, they've had their years. They haven't been, like, in the doldrums for four. years. I mean, they haven't won a Super Bowl since Joe Namath, but they've been to the playoffs. They've been to the AFC championship game. So I don't think the Jets and they got money.

I don't think it'd be a bad situation for him. I'd like to see it happen, but it isn't as good as the other two. You're right about that. All right. So let's see a little baseball. New Dodgers star Trevor Bauer yesterday was introduced to the LA media. And I mean, obviously, everywhere he goes, drama seems to follow. A lot of that self-inflicted. But, but, you know, But yesterday to the media, he vowed to be better. Everyone makes mistakes in the past. I try to learn from them. I try to learn as quickly as I possibly can.

Try to understand other people's viewpoints on things and be better in the future. I think if you look at that my history as a baseball player, my history on social media, my history as a person, for those who know me well, they'll see that I apply that process to everything that I do. I'm committed to doing that moving forward as well. And ultimately, I'm here to be a positive impact on. anyone that I can be, both in the community, in the clubhouse, on the field, at the stadium, whatever the case is.

So, Rob, I ask you as the baseball savant here, will Trevor Bauer be on his best behavior this year, and will the Dodgers rotation live up to be what some are saying, the best in the history of baseball? I don't know about that. That's a tall order, even though it looks pretty darn strong. But he will be on his best behavior because, you know what, he just came to one of the flagship franchises. this country, the Los Angeles Dodgers, coming off a World Series.

So they're not into the monkey business and all the other stuff. It's about baseball here. They're trying to win another championship. He's a hometown guy, right? Grew up in L.A. Yeah, Navajo. So, yeah, right. So this is his chance, and I don't think he wants to come to be a clown.

The Dodgers are a proud franchise. Yeah, look, we talked about this with Chris Doyle, with the situation in Jacksonville. We're not against second chances at all. You know, we understand people make mistakes and you should be able to bounce back from it. But what you hear from Trevor Bauer is an acknowledgement of wrongdoing, of growth, right?

And the vow to do better. We just say we didn't hear that from Chris Doyle yet. So, yeah, give him a chance. I think it'll be fine. I like it. Last one. So James Harden opened up about his exit from here. God, there's so much drama on Houston.

I just can't. This is ridiculous. I just can't handle it. He didn't do himself any favors, by the way, he forced himself out of town. He just opened up to Rachel Nichols about it. Rachel asked him if he'd change anything about the way he sort of forced his exit there. Now that you've been through it, would you have done anything differently at the beginning of the season in Houston? No, no.

Because I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. I wasn't trying to be selfish. I felt like the front office, you knew, you know, why I still. and what I wanted. Apologized for how it, you know, it went down, but I guess I had to do what I had to do in order to, you know, get to where I wanted to go. So, guys, I mean, I'll tee up, Chris.

But so, like, at some point, doesn't he need to kind of own up to the way he started this year with his strip club jaunts across the country, showing up out of shape, disrespecting his new head coach, Stephen Silas? Yeah, I think he should have said, the point you made, the strip club, COVID, no mask, all that stuff.

Definitely just acknowledged that that was wrong. I did not like the way he made his exit. I didn't like, you know, the way just didn't even give Stephen Silas a chance. You hear players talk about wanting black coaches and things like that. You get one who's waited 20 years for a shot and then you don't give him a chance. But I got to say this, and this is probably what Hardin's thinking. This is what it took. I tried to be the nice guy.

And I know, again, he didn't do everything. perfectly. But when I didn't say anything, when I went out and played in my first few games, I was balling, I was playing James Harden basketball, putting up big numbers, they were holding on to me. They weren't looking at trade me. I had to go

rogue to get out of there. All right? Because as soon as I start talking about, we don't have enough. All right? We can't win. I was traded within the week. And that, I think that's ultimately how he looks at it. Like, look, I wish they would have played nice and

and traded me when I kept my mouth shut, but they didn't, so I had to do what I had to do. Greg, I think if he could do it all over again, Greg and Chris, he could have put down the donuts because what he looked like as a professional athlete was not professional, what he did and showed. He looked like he was wearing a fat suit, which was bad. And Chris, the strip club thing, you know what? He's doing work in a different way,

trying to help put some young women through school and college like I do as often as I can. There's nothing wrong with that. I mean, it's on his own time. Maybe he should have had a mask on, but I agree with that. But yeah, it was an ugly exit, but I don't know if you could get out the other way. And being unprofessional and coming in out of shape to me bothered me more than anything because you should not not do that as a professional athlete.

Amazing how the day he got traded, he was back in shape. Did he have a fat suit on? What was that? I think he was just, I think he was. wearing like a warm-up jersey like that was a tighter uniform he probably told the trainer look give me a medium uniform i usually wear a large get me a medium yeah while while we're playing so i look even i think it was like that picture remember that that that fat romo picture we saw tony romeo back at training camp a couple years ago it was he wasn't that fat it was just a bad picture right

yeah i think just angles when you get to a certain age angles can be your worst enemy yeah that that didn't look good he looked like a roly-poly but uh He got what he wanted and look how he's played in Brooklyn. He's played well. And that's the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

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He saves the best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, cowherd. It's the best for last. All right, Rob, we're going to get into this. A lot of talk about who's the greatest winner in team sports history. So, Muhammad Ali, Floyd Mayweather, Serena Williams, Usain, both. None of them are in this Tiger Woods.

They're not in this discussion. It's team sports. And since Tom Brady won his seventh Super Bowl, a lot of people are saying it's him. Where are you at on this? Who is your? course. It's so hard for me to go against Michael Jordan just because of the six and no, all six MVPs. And people go, well, did he only play six years? He's only six and oh. Six and oh is a hard feat. Even Tom Brady's lost. And I know he's going more, but he's still lost. LeBron

James is lost. It's hard to go against a guy who was perfect. And then Chris, when you add all the other stuff that he did in his career, 10 scoring titles in a row and all the other things, I just, where's the flaw in his career? I just don't see it. Yeah, I would stick with basketball, but just strictly in terms of winner, I don't see how you don't go with Bill Russell. I mean, nobody in sports, unless I'm missing somebody, nobody's wanted a higher clip than this guy. 11 championships in 13 seasons.

He made it to the finals 12 of his 13 years. And he won 11 of those 12. I mean, and he joined a team, right? Because somebody might throw out a Yogi Berra who won 10 World Series. Right, with the Yankees. Right. But the Yankees won before him and after him. The Celtics did not win, not a championship before Bill Russell got there.

And then once he got there, it was off to the races. And so, again, who in the world has a better track record than Bill Russell when it comes to winning? I don't think anyone. And anyone in college, too. But the only problem is, Chris, that era, are you talking about? If you remember back then, excuse me, all the teams, the big teams used to win because there was no free agency. see if you had a good team, it stayed together. So like the Celtics won, the Yankees won, the Green Bay Packers won,

and the Montreal Canadiens won. Just go look at that era of sports. All those teams won all the time, so I don't know if it's all about just Bill Russell. Do you see what I'm saying? I see, but I mean, he wasn't the best player in the league. He still had to go through Wilk Chamberlain. You know, he still had to go through Nate Thurman.

A lot of teams had a great seven-footer. that he had to match up with. And I think a lot of his Hall of Fame teammates, now Bob Coosie legitimately great, Sam Jones legitimately great, you know, guys like that. But a lot of his Hall of Fame teammates, they made the Hall of Fame because they were playing with him and winning.

So I would go with him. As far as Jordan and Brady, look, Jordan is the better player in his sport. Look, I believe Tom Brady is the goat quarterback. I don't believe he's the goat football player. When I think a football player, I'm thinking of somebody that can do it all. Tackle, run, catch, or at least I can envision them doing it all. Tom Brady is a fantastic quarterback, the goat quarterback, but not the goat football player.

Michael Jordan's the goat basketball player. Centers, forwards, guards, LeBron, Kobe, Magic, Bert. Michael Jordan is the better player. but when you talk about winning, it's hard to beat Tom Brady's resume. I get it. He wasn't undefeated in Super Bowls, but he has won more Super Bowls

than any other franchise. Franchise. Michael Jordan has not won more finals than any other, a lot of players. And I'm not even talking about a Robert Ory who was a role player, though clutch. I'm talking about, you know, Bill Russell, as I said, 1-11,

Kareem 1-6. you know, Sam Jones won 10. Yeah, but there's two strikes against. And so to win more championships than any other franchise, that's hard to beat. Yeah, but the difference is Brady has a couple of strikes against him. A, you know, there was defenses that helped win some of those championships for him. He wasn't even that great or prolific in some of those games and his numbers. He won a Super Bowl against the Rams a couple years ago, Chris, without throwing a touchdown.

So there's Super Bowls like that. Tom Brady also, a lot of players don't even consider him the greatest quarterback, like just the actual playing in that position. I've heard many. Oh, Brett Farb says that Brett Farb, who's a legendary quarterback. Would he call him the goat? I mean, yeah, if you want to say he's not the best thrower of the football, yeah. I'm talking about right.

As a quarterback, he might be the winningest quarterback or most accomplished quarterback. And then the last part that you always see. team to leave out when you talk about Tom Brady is Tom Brady's a convicted cheater. Tom Brady was suspended for cheating and Tom Brady also was part of a franchise that was busted for cheating where the coach Bill Belichick had the largest fine in the history of the NFL. So there's some demerits there and there are people who will never be able to buy into Brady and his winning, Chris, and feel good about it because it's somewhat tainted.

So that's why I don't believe Brady could ever be. in that conversation. There's too many things there. No, look, the cheating allegations are definitely there. Obviously, the spy gate was Belichick. I don't know that Brady even knew that was going on. The defate gate, he came back the next game with the balls regular and demolished. Was it the Colts or whoever they played?

But he did get suspended before games. His greatness is clearly not a byproduct of. cheating. He's legitimately great in his own right. Yeah, he did. But so have a lot of other athletes that didn't get caught. I'm just asking you, that's all. Be consistent. But he did. And that, no, I'm consistent. You, you vote for Barry Bonds

in the Hall of Fame. Did he cheat? Yes, but did Barry Bonds ever get suspended? Did he ever get suspended? What's the difference between bonds and and, uh, Brady? Do it something wrong got suspended. All right, but doing something wrong is wrong, Rob. Whether you get caught or not, it's still wrong.

You cheat on your wife and you don't get caught. You not know any better than the dude that got caught. Right? Keep it consistent, Mr. Parker. No, I'm not going there. Silent. I made Rob Parker silent. No. He was speechless. Peace. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.

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