The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 02/23/2021 - HOUR 2 - Baker Mayfield

Episode Date: February 23, 2021

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What did you do? That created controversy, and I didn't for a second think it was controversial. So we were talking about Jimmy Garoppolo, and I was defending. Jimmy Garoppola. And I said, you know, you fans all beat up on him, but Belichick loved him. Kyle Shanahan traded for him and the Niners stink when he doesn't play. Yeah, I don't love his injuries, but the kid can play. So I said, okay, listen, you have to have a top 12 quarterback in the NFL to get to Super Bowls if you look at the recent last 20 years in the NFL. So I put out a list of what I consider the top six quarterbacks in the league. Again, I don't even

think this is arguable. Mahomes, Brady, Rogers, Wilson, Josh Allen, Deshaun, Watson. I don't think that's really arguable. And then I said the next six, we could debate. I have Matt Ryan in and I don't have DAC. Well, Matt Ryan's been an MVP and he's gotten to a Super Bowl. You know, Dax won a playoff game. But I said the second six are very, I had in Lamar, Justin Herbert, Derek Carr, Jimmy G, Matt Ryan, Kyler Murray. And I didn't have DAC in, which, listen, if you have DAC in, I'm not going to yell and scream.

Matt Ryan has been an MVP and gotten to a Super Bowl. And let a Super Bowl with about 10 minutes ago. And by the way, Garoppolo, in his one full season starting, got to a Super Bowl. But I said the next six is not, you could argue with me. It's all debatable. Cleveland fans were outraged, not just that Baker didn't make the second six. Many said he should have made the first six. And I'm like, oh, crazy town.

All crazy town. So today is line in the sand day. we're going to play Mayfield or the field for the next five years, who would I rather have? Okay. Next five years. So that will take, obviously, you know, breeze, no. Right. Next five years, Mayfield or the field.

Here we go. All right. Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson's won 80% of his games. Lamar Jackson does something better than any football quarterback in the history of the sport. moves. This is not close. Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert. Not a GM in the league would take Baker over Justin Herbert.

He's bigger, he's stronger, he was a four-point student. He set every rookie quarterback touchdown record they've ever created Herbert by a mile. Baker Mayfield or Derek Carr? Last two years, Derek Carr is 101 passer rating. Three times the TDs over picks, it ain't close. Derek Carr. Baker Mayfield or Jimmy Garoppolo. Now, this is the rub, right? Jimmy gets hurt a lot.

I'm not disputing that. And that worries me. But the Niners are awful without him, and we know their roster's good and Shanahan's good. I take Garoppolo for the next five years and roll the dice on his health. Baker Mayfield or Matt Ryan. MVP, Super Bowl, multiple playoff wins. Matt Ryan's 35.

He's not 39. Now, the last, if I sign him for five years, the last year may be nonsense. I'll make a prediction. Matt Ryan with Arthur Smith. Smith, the coach, is going to have two really good years. He finally gets an offensive coach. We're all going to like Matt Ryan by November again. I know we're all out on Matt.

Watch by November. We're all going to be back in the Matt Ryan fan club. Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray. Kyler. Again, Kyler does something spectacularly. He's not there yet. but he had a big jump rookie year to last year. Baker Mayfield or Doc Prescott?

Dak Prescott. Baker's a better pure thrower of the football. I think Dak's a better athlete. I think he's more mature. I feel there's a I feel there is sort of a in the locker room. He's loved by everybody.

I think Baker's got some critics inside that locker room. Baker Mayfield or Ryan's Hanahill. Close. But I saw a stat. let me give you this. Ryan Tannihil had the second highest passer rating in the last 20 games to Aaron Rogers. I know we all don't like Ryan Tannahill, but unlike Baker, he doesn't have two great tight ends.

He doesn't have the greatest offensive line. Ryan Tannahill, I got to be honest with you, often plays trailing because of that crappy defense. Tannahill's probably the most underrated quarterback in the league today. Baker or Kirk Cousins? close I would take the maturity and the accuracy of Kirk Cousins you know I don't think it's a huge gap Kirk drives me nuts in big games but Baker didn't have a history and win in a lot of big games either all right now that gets interesting

Baker or Tua I take Baker I don't know if Tua can play I don't see a lot of special with Tua I think the dolphins have questions I think Baker's got a little more it factor Baker Joe Burrow I think Burrell is really special I thought Burrell would be a good NFL quarterback. I think I made a mistake. I think he's really, really special. Baker, Carson, Wins. Carson's a much bigger, stronger, better athlete. This moment, a lot of people would go Baker. But I guess my takeaway is the only thing that scares people about Wence is his contract. Everybody knows he was an MVP for 10 weeks two years ago. He was literally when he had Frank Reich,

the MVP of the entire league. Baker or Jared Gough? I take Baker. I think Baker five years with Kevin Stefansky will be better than Gough five years with Fred Flintstone in Detroit. Big Ben. I take Baker. I'm out on Big Ben. And I think Baker works harder than Ben. I would move off Big Ben. So I take Baker. Baker or Matthew Stafford. I think Stafford's a much better talent. Yeah. You know, Stafford has a stat. I saw this. Let me look this one up. Stafford has the most game-winning drives 36 in the NFL in the last decade. Howie? He plays for the liners. They're usually trailing. Baker or Mitchell Trubisky?

Baker. Mitch Trubisky is a very limited thrower. I think Baker can make big-time throws. There's things I worry about. Baker. He's not the athlete he thinks he is. But he makes big-time throws, and I think Trubisky is limited as a thrower of the football. All right.

Here's the big question. Next five years. Baker or the goat. Tom Brady. First of all, Tom Brady will be great next year. Right. And you imagine because of his work ethic, he'll be good the following two. I couldn't give a rip the last two.

If Brady gives me three more years, one A minus 2B plus, do we know that Baker's going to get a contract extension in Cleveland? We don't. So you would take Baker over Tribisky, Big Ben, Jared Goff, and Tua. Is that unrealistic? Am I like being ridiculous? No, I don't think you are.

I mean, I think a lot of people would go either way on the Carson Wentz or Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I get it. I mean, Carson's in a fortune, and he played, I get it. But I'm saying if you gave me both, I think the upside's much higher with Wentz. I'm willing to roll the dice on the Jimmy Garoppolo injury, although I get it, the argument.

Yes, people would argue about Jimmy Garoppolo. I get it. I get it. But I got one year starting, and the kid got to the Super Bowl and let Patrick Mahalms with seven minutes to go. No, I mean, the idea that Baker Mayfield is in the top six best quarterbacks in the league is silly. I don't like being known as, and I almost regret doing this segment because now everybody's going to think, oh, you're calling, you're doing, I think you have almost no arguments with any of those.

The Wentz thing I get, because the last 10 games we've seen of Carson Wentz, he can't complete screen passes. Like, I get that. But I'm saying five years, I think if he turned. around, I get a B plus A minus quarterback. Drew Bledsoe is now going to join us live. 14 years in the NFL, number one draft it. Isn't it the worst? When you play quarterback, schmucks like me come out and grade you all the time.

It's just a horrible. What if Drew Bledsoe sat around all day and graded sportscasters? It'd be terrible. Oh, man, it would be rough for you guys, dude. It'd be really rough. I might try it. Actually, there was a time, some buddies and I sat on you, like, you know, we should do that one time. And I obviously can't share with you on there. You did all right, bud. You came out okay.

But some of your cohorts, man, we had some interesting things to say. It was pretty funny. Hopefully you were drinking your doubleback wine that made the night better. So let me start with this. We saw another story with Russell Wilson come out. And I defended quarterbacks today. I said, you know, we love our soccer stars and our UFC boxers and our home run hitters and our NBA stars. We give them a little ego. You're the best in the world. but if a quarterback shows he doesn't want to be in your little box the Packers are drafting Jordan Love

and the Seahawks want to move him did you ever feel in the NFL sometimes a little restrained by the ecosystem of the NFL? There's no question Colin as a quarterback part of your job is to be a politician you know you really

you have to learn how to say a lot without saying anything and you know you, and the minute that you express, you know, a real opinion, man, you are, you're just criticized, you know, up and down, left and right. And so, you know, look, as a quarterback of Russell's stature, you know, I think part of what's going on, people asked if you wanted some input on player decisions. And, you know, I mean, shoot, they asked me about player decisions. They asked the quarterback about player decisions. You just can't admit that they actually ask you about it. You know, you set yourself up. Then you, then you, they, uh, they, they,

you set yourself up to be criticized, well, that player didn't work out, and Russ picked him. Well, no, you don't want that either. So it's a, it's a, you know, it's a hard line to walk. You know, you've got to try to do the right thing all the time. And then sometimes you do the right thing, you can criticize for that. So it's part of the game. That's one of the reasons that quarterbacks make a ton of money. It's just, you know, you have these other responsibilities that other players don't have.

Yeah. I like the how you said that. You got to be a little bit of a politician. So, Dack Prescott is, whether you love him or not, it's been two years where we've talked contract and he hasn't gotten a contract. And I'll be honest with you. I try to sometimes put myself in the athlete's perspective.

If I was hanging out there for two years and my company wouldn't offer me a contract, at some point, I think there'd be a little bitterness. Like, was there ever a point in your career? Like you thought, like, guys, I'm getting it. giving you everything. I'm giving you everything. How do you think that lands for that? Well, you know, I think it's frustrating, but it's also, and again, I make it a firm policy not to talk about somebody else's money. But I also know that they've been in negotiation for a number of years, and you know, in a negotiation there's give and take.

And, you know, so I do think at some point, hopefully they meet at an agreeable point, for both of them so that Dak can be there for a long time. Because I've said this before, I really like Dak. I really, truly do. I think he's a heck of a player. He's a great leader. I think he, you know, brings that other aspect to the game because when he's not in the pocket,

you can actually pull it down to run for yards. Yeah. But, you know, and quarterback in the Cowboys, I did that for a couple years. It's a different kind of job, man. And, you know, and Dak seems to stand up underneath that kind of pressure very, very well.

doesn't seem to face him very much. And that's a big part of playing quarterback down there. So I was talking to Lavaar Erington earlier about this. I said, and Lovar Erington brought up a good point. He said there's a reason the same coaches win every year in the NFL in college. There's a lot of bad coaches. And yesterday, Dan Campbell in Detroit goes, I don't mind being known as a meathead. And I thought, slow down.

I don't want my coach saying that. You don't have to name names. But were there times? Maybe it wasn't a head coach. It was a coordinator. or it was a business and coach. Did you feel at times, Drew, that you were, that you had the second best coach on Sunday,

that you just felt like I don't have the best back support here? Well, I mean, yeah, so let's be honest. You know, when I left New England, I had to go back and face Belichick, you know, twice a year. And so I don't think any coach would feel like I was sliding him up when I said that we were at a disadvantage from that standpoint. I will tell you, I love Danny Campbell. was with me in Dallas for a year, is just a high-intensity dude, and I really wish him the best.

And I actually think for the first time, you know, the lions are kind of set up going forward. They've got a mountain of draft picks now. You know, if they do things right, he's going to have some personnel, and I just hope he puts good coordinators running. Yeah. Do you think coaching on average, though, is good average, I mean, in your career, is it excellent, good, solid, or just okay? There's a very broad range, Colin. And I've talked with some buddies that I've played with for a number of years. And there were a lot of very good coaches, obviously.

But the frustration that I think some guys have is that when you get to the NFL, you're the best of the best, right? You're the best of the best that's ever played, you know, and you're, you know, and you finally get there. You think that across the board the coaching is going to be the same. And there were, you know, coaches that I had in college, even a couple of coaches that I had in high school, you know, that would have been better coaches in some cases than some of the guys that were coaching in the NFL. And that's, you know, and it's like, hey, look, there's great coaches in high school. There's great coaches in college that sometimes just choose to stay there.

So it's not necessarily a slight. But you do think that you're always going to be amongst the best and the best, and that's not always the case. So tell me, where are you? You know, it's funny. there are some guys like Brett Favre, they never get hurt. And then there's guys like Garoppolo who by week two or three every year always seems dinged up. And some of it's just genetics, it's DNA. Some got, John Lynch once told me, I love John.

John's like I never had a concussion. And I'm like, what? Twelve years you were knocking people out with your top of your helmet. I don't understand it. But, you know, John swears, I never had concussions. Would you be concerned that Garapolo is. is simply, and I'm sure you played with guys like this, he's brittle. His body doesn't withstand the season.

Yeah, it's a real concern, Colin. It really is for certain players. You know, they just get hurt a lot. I mean, I've played for quite a while. I had one to one deal where I almost died with Tommy. But other than that, I was able to stay on the field most of the time. You know, and it is a real concern. And I think that there are a couple of different things

that play into that one is just, you know, some, there's some frivolous maybe. But there's another piece that just, like sometimes guys just don't know how to fall properly. And you just go down awkwardly. I remember when Russ and RG3 came into the league, same year, rookie year. And early on, RG3 was lighten the world on fire.

Russ was playing well also. But I remember saying to somebody, like, man, RG3 just gets. gets hit hard a lot. And Russ almost never gets hit hard. You watch him, he goes, runs around, makes all these plays. He almost never gets hit hard. And so there is a thing to it that's beyond just being brittle.

It's knowing how to fall and how to get hit and how to protect yourself. Yeah. No, it is interesting. And I think it's funny. Kyler Murray played baseball and Russell played baseball. They're both great sliders. They both get. Like Lamar Jackson, I love.

But there are times with Lamar, he's tall, he's thin, and he just gets smoked, and you can only take so many of those hits. Okay, finally, would you be comfortable doing what Deshawn Watson's doing? Like, I've had players tell me, I couldn't do it, man. I don't like the heat. I don't think Aaron Rogers has the personality to say, I'm holding out. I don't think it's his personality. That's fine. Would you have the personality to say, listen, I don't trust my organization.

I'm not playing. How would it land for you? Well, the short answer is no. I never held out. And I just felt like the best way to handle the negotiation was to show up and be great at your job. But I also know that every situation is unique. And every situation is different. And what Deshawn Watson is dealing with down there in Houston,

and it looks like it's going to be a really bad situation now for a while because there's no way to fix it. And, you know, if they've exhausted other avenues with the organization to try to get them to move him and that's not working, you know, you don't get a lot of shots at this as an NFL quarterback. If it's going to be really awful for a long time, you know, he's got to find a way out. And so I don't judge him from doing that, but that's not how I probably would have.

It looks like you're joining us from a mountainside in Montana. Am I correct? That is correct, man. Up here, hiding out in the mountains sitting by the fire, and I might even go sliding around on the ski slopes here a little while. Look, is it been a good snow season for Montana? It's been pretty thin. It's been pretty thin, but they got a bunch here the last couple weeks.

It's been pretty good recently. All right. I want you to go to doubleback.com. Doubleback.com. It's the best cab I've ever had, Doubleback winery. and will you enjoy a glass on the mountain today, by the way? When I'm done, when I'm done, you know, if my wife's with me, we'll have a little rosé at lunch, but when I'm by myself, and I'm just by myself today, I'll just go ski and then have a glass of wine when I've done.

And by the way, I haven't forgotten you guys. I've got some wine for you, Colin, and I've got some joy chardonnay coming down for joy. Don't think I forgot you. Wonderful. Thank you. Yes, it is wonderful. Doubleback.com. The winery is remarkable. Check it out.

Good seeing you, bud. Yeah, likewise, Colin. Always great to see you. But I know you don't want to talk about it anymore. Really glad you're healthy. Yeah, boy, that was no good. I didn't even get hit. Geez, I can't imagine getting a hit for a living.

But I'm good. We're all good. We're all really glad you're back. All right. Thanks. Drew Bledsoe. Really good guy. That's quite some scenery he's coming to the show with.

You can hear the fireplace crackling in the background, place, woods. You know the good thing about being, like, sick or having to go to the hospital? No. There's one good thing. Every time my wife disagrees with me, I look at her and go, I almost died two weeks ago. You win every argument. For like another two weeks, and then you're going to do something active, and then that card is gone. It's still working.

Honey, you're lucky I'm here. Oh, my God. It really does. It's very effective. We are glad you're back, though. I should just fake an ankle twist. No more. No more. We're going to put you in a bubble soon. I thought they already lived in one. All right, good stuff.

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We go for a walk. Yeah, I did that. I did that hour walk yesterday. My dogs aren't here. I watched a ton of NBA the last five or six days. My dogs aren't around. You're living an interesting life right now. I am. It's very... You should start journaling. What?

Journaling? Yeah. Like talking about... Well, we had Matthew McConaughey on. He wrote a whole book based off of his life journal, and you said you admired that. You're going through an interesting life experience right now. Maybe he should journal. I don't think it's interesting. No? Like, how deep do you go? Hey, I'm drinking a cocktail. B, I wish the hotel would make my bed.

I don't know. You're living in a hotel. You're a transitional point. We're going through a pandemic. I had pancakes for dinner last night. Okay. So maybe not. Does that make the journal? Pancakes are better than waffles, though. Don't at me. That's not even debatable.

Joy with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I always been a little jealous of people who can do a journal that have the discipline to do a journal. It is. I've tried.

I actually have three mostly blank journals on my nightstand because I intend to journal. And then I'm like, and I tend to be. optimistic. Like, so I would not put the sad stuff in. So it would be unrealistic. I actually journaled a lot

in my childhood, which is probably why I don't journal now. I used to keep, like, a diary every day. And that was sad. So I still have them, actually. They're, like, very raggedy. How old were you? In, like, you know, 11 to, like, 14.

Wow, how mature. Well, it seems very mature. Journaled 11. A lot of stuff to get out. I don't think I'm disciplined enough to journal at 50. I mean, they weren't really intense at 11. I was like, we, you know, played with the dog today. But so Russell Wilson is frustrated with the Seahawks.

And he's voiced his frustrations several times this offseason. And he's been the subject of trade rumors ever since. And according to Michael Silver, about one third of the league has reached out to the Seahawks. Wow. By the possibility of trading for him. While they're not actively shopping, Russell, obviously, they are reportedly willing to listen to offers. Whoa!

And the starting point in any negotiation is said to be three first round picks. Which I think is... They're willing to listen to offers. I... Okay. All right. Now, Pete Carroll fired twice. Losing record in Seattle pre-Russell Wilson.

Let it roll, Pete. I'm going to say this. Because you talked about this earlier, and I think it's important. And whatever. You know, big companies and corporations are going to do what they want to do regardless. Yeah. Regardless of how many times we've seen, how it plays out.

The stars are the product. Period. If Russsson's not there and you guys are terrible, you're going to not have the same sales. They're not going to sell as many jerseys. You're not going to be as relevant. It's just the way it works. That's how it goes. Even if you're the Dallas Cowboys,

you're still the biggest organization in all sports in the entire world. If you're not winning, you are not irrelevant. It's amazing to me that people don't get that. I mean, bottom line is, I only watch HBO for two people I like. HBO's on all day. When Bill Marr's on, I watch his show 30 times a year.

I like John Oliver. I don't watch HBO 90% of it. Why? I don't watch for the logo. I watch for the people. I literally go, I watch Paramount that company for one thing, Yellowstone with Kevin Costner. Otherwise, I never turn the channel on. That is the only reason I watch. Because it's entertainment. There are certain things we have to pay attention to whether we are interested or fond of the individuals or not, like the government, for example, or our families, right? There are certain things that we cannot opt out of. Entertainment is a choice.

So that's why I get upset when people are talking about, like, fans, not being good fans. People work very hard to make money, to enjoy their life. They want to spend their money on a product they enjoy. Now, some people like suffering. You know, they choose bad teams and they just like going through that. but this is how this whole thing works. It's the stars. The stars are the product.

Yes, you provide the platform. But if a star wants something, get it to him. It's as easy as letting him sit in a room while you guys talk about draft picks. Who cares? Listen, it'd be one thing if a star player did drugs or was subversive or was like a bad locker room guy. Aaron Rogers wants a heads up on a couple of things. Give it to him.

Don't fire his quarterback coach without telling him. Yeah, remember that one? It's you really when it comes down to it These these splits generally come down to the simple things People always think it's like some big explosive thing It's always a slow drip It's a slow drip and then there's just One too many drips and the cup runneth over

You're right The Packers fired Aaron's quarterback coach and didn't give them a heads up When you say that out loud Doesn't that sound ridiculous It just sounds ridiculous like what It's a simple it's like anything else in life In relationships right You make a huge decision and don't tell your partner.

And your partner is like, it would have taken you all of 15 seconds to send me a text message, head down. Couldn't even send a text, an email, phone call, tweet, DM, nothing. Aaron Rogers found out about it on Twitter. And yet we look at it. Well, I don't look at it, but people will look at it as if he's being difficult. Like, no, what Deshawn Watson is going through is not to Sean being difficult. It is a series of horrible decisions. that if you just looked at the relationship as a mutual partnership,

rather than I make all the decisions. We control you. It makes no sense to me. It's never made any sense, and it almost always ends the same way. It's ridiculous. Give them a little space, guys. It's going to work in your favor. So the patients are looking to upgrade a quarterback,

and I've been doing their homework on various options. They've reportedly had conversations regarding every potential trade target in the league. According to Jeff Howe, the athletic, If a quarterback has been perceived to be available, the Patriots have picked up the phone. They reportedly spoke to the Lions about Matthew Stafford. We obviously had the report that he didn't want to go there. And the Eagles about Carson Wentz, but ultimately we decided the asking price for each was too high. Okay.

Yeah, so it just wasn't the perfect price for you. That part of it, to me, is what's insane. Too high, you don't have a quarterback. Well, no, no, I think you and I agree. Cam's coming back. I don't think there's any question in my mind that. Cam's coming back? Yeah, it's looking very obviously Cam's back. Which I have no problem with.

Listen, at this point, you have three or four quarterbacks left. You're going to have to overpay for him. The Colts don't love what they're paying Carson wins. They don't love it. They need a quarterback. How often really, truly, though, are you overpaying a quarterback? If he wins, never. Never.

So how terrible does someone have to be for you to be overpaying? Listen, Kirk Cousins gets heat. He made the playoffs two out of three years. You get one home playoff game. you make about $8 million a home playoff game. Take that and use it against his salary. Washington didn't want to pay him. What has Washington been doing since Kirk Cousins left?

Nonsense. I think it's a very, can people get crazy about how much you're giving up or, you know, the Eagles don't like if they gave up all those draft picks? Like, you won a Super Bowl, and he contributed greatly to that. Obviously, things fall apart, and I didn't love how things ended with Carson Wentz there, and I think all the pressure's on him now. But you got the value out of him. What are you talking about overpaying?

It's the most important position on the field. If you don't have a quarterback, you are not going to win in the league. So how often are you actually overpaying quarterback? I think if you really look at it, it's not really that often. As long as you win, you're not really overpaying for any of them. So the Nets and Clippers game ended in controversy Sunday night. Kauai Leonard was called for an offensive foul on James Hardin. It turned out to be a game-saving play for the Nets.

Hardin would make both free throws and secure the 112-108 win. And after the game, Paul George was clearly frustrated that the Nets got that call. I haven't really got into the flopping game, but it's, in today's game, it's smart. You know what I mean? It's smart. They control the reps, you know, they got the reps in their pockets. Oh, boy.

You know, kudos to the guys that are great at that part of the game. I thought it was a flop. The last, the NBA's two-minute report. said to the foul on Kauai at the end of the game was the correct call. I didn't agree. Oh, boy, I don't know. That's not a terrible call. It's not a terrible call. Obviously Hardin sold it.

Let me see. Let me see. I don't think it was. Come on. It was definitely a flop. He definitely sold it. Well, yeah, but he didn't hit the ground, so you have to fall to flop, right? I think you can flail your arms a little bit. That contact from Kauai did not trigger the arm flailing. I don't think, let me see that James Hardin again.

How does your other arm affect you by that? Well, it's a little over the top. He sold it. I'm going to defend James Harden on this. I don't have a problem with selling. This is a part of the game now. Yes. Right? Like, do I love it? No.

Do I think that sometimes people, like, there's a reason why they penalize you if you flop too much. You never notice. But if you have to, people sell pass interference calls. Like, they sell all kinds of holding. This is part of it. Everybody said, by the way, if you look at a batter in baseball, the catcher is constantly framing the plate. You're trying to manipulate the umpire.

Every sport. Herm Edwards once told me, they had a book on officiating crews, and Herman would be like, fellas, these guys call holding. These, I mean, Herm would tell me, he goes, we would say, hey, this unit, last and holding calls, you can hold today. Like, everybody knows.

Kurt Schilling once told me that. He goes, I knew who I got the corners with, and I knew who I didn't. That's being prepared. There's a human element to reference. We don't love it. They're not machines. I don't like saying, you know, they have the

reps in their pocket and all that. Like, don't, don't, let me talk about the reps. Like, win the game at the end of the day. I didn't think that was a terrible flop. You know, most of the floppers, Dwayne, and Kobe and LeBron. It's a lot of the smart guys. A lot of the veteran guys flop.

I don't love, I don't love the egregious flops. Selling a foul and flopping or, you know, there's the gray area there. But I don't like him calling out the, the reps in that spot and saying that, like, they can't be going to control the ref. How much he got fine? You can't say that.

I don't know if he got fine, but you're not, yeah, you're not supposed to be. The refs are in their pocket is not acceptable. Usually frowned on, yeah. All right, joy of the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. I flop every day in my life.

I verbally flop. Like my wife says something I agree with, and I act more outraged than I am to get my way. I'll be like, I mean, come on! And then she backs off and then I get my way. I'm saying you're manipulating people? What I'm saying is I verbally flop all the times. A boss comes down, whoa! They back off and I get what I want.

Isn't life flopping? You verbally flop, you physically flop. I think people exaggerate things all the time, yes. Yeah. Yeah. There's a little bit of tactic to maneuvering your way through life. I mean, that's a game. Yeah.

But to your point, it exists in every sport. So I do think people get a little bit crazy about exaggerating fouls. I didn't love it and I thought it was definitely a flop, but it is part of the game. Don't we all have a different personality for different people? You do have to, you have to switch it up sometimes, yes. You ever walk into a boss? Hey, bosserunie, how is your weekend? I'm not calling him bossarunies.

Nobody cares. I mean, you couldn't care less what he did for the weekend. And then you yell at your, you yell at your producer. I don't yell at the producers either. That's why Goulet left me. Scream at them all day. All right. coming up next, I'm going to make, I already have five NFL predictions,

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Be a sub above. So Dan Campbell, I think it was a weird year in the NFL, really good coaching opportunities, really good candidates, really bad hires. I mean, to Urban Meyer, I think is probably the one sure-fire, coach, and he's already had some stumbles down in Jacksonville, but Dan Campbell of Detroit, I think, 's a miss. Nick Seriani in Philadelphia is a miss, David Cully and Houston. They were so embarrassed by that hire.

His opening press conference, they buried it on a Friday afternoon. They didn't even want you to hear it or see it. That's what companies do when they're trying to hide bad news. I think Nick Seriani and David Cully will both be gone within a year. That's now acceptable in the NFL, Freddie Kitchen, Steve Wilkes and Arizona. You know, you do it. You do it with quarterbacks and coaches now. Oops, made a mistake.

Let's move on. Dan Campbell had a quote yesterday, which is at best regrettable. He said, listen, I said this to Chris Spielman the other day. I was like, I kind of love the fact we're only known as meatheads. I'm a meathead. I have limited brain capacity. I like that. I'm good with that.

You know what I mean? I have zero problem with it. Okay, not great. I have limited brain capacity. Well, so does Elon Musk. We all use about 10% of our brains, but you'd want to have a bigger brain. brain, there's a smaller brain. I think that is not, it's self-evident.

That's not a great quote. But it's interesting because during the off-season, I mean, when I make predictions, I like to get them right. I don't want to remind you, but since it's out there, I did go seven for seven in the AFC predicting playoff teams, seven for seven. I'm like Copperfield over here, okay? So, but I've already, I start filling out during the off season, I'll see things or hear things and I'll just in my little magic board in my head.

I'll put first place, last place, whatever. I've already made five predictions for next year. So here's the good news. AFC East, Buffalo is going to win the division. I feel stronger about that than I do any prediction in the NFL. I think the Bucks will win the NFC South. I think the Lions, Texans, Eagles, all finished dead last. You cannot win with a coach that's over his skis.

So let's start with the bills. The Jets and Miami are still rebuilding. and New England doesn't have the firepower. My takeaway is once Brian Daibold didn't get a job and came back, you're looking at a 12 and 4, 13 and 3 football team. They're going to upgrade the offensive line, get a pass rush on the draft. Buffalo is really close to being great.

They're good right now. They're not great because they have a very sporadic pass rush. Tampa Bay, second year Ariens and Brady. They'll probably have to let like a Chris Godwin go or somebody let go. but Carolina's rebuilding. The Saints now officially are kind of rebuilding with Cap Space Hell. I probably go Atlanta second right now, but they have a new coach. So I'm going to go, Brady wins the NFC South.

But Detroit, Texans, Philadelphia, those are last place teams. Like that's, there's no getting over that. There's no controversy here. You can't win in this league when you are over your skis as a head coach. And it's interesting. Last year at this time, we all thought, Leveland and Washington were a mess. They both made the playoffs because they got the coach right.

Ron Rivera and Kevin Stavansky. Miami two years ago, Joy covered him for years. They were chaotic. It was a shipwreck. They were constantly in flux. They got Brian Flores in like six games into his Miami tenure. You're like, oh, they got the right coach. You can't miss on the coach.

You just can't. You don't have to hire Belichick. but the good news for like a Detroit or a Houston or a Philly is the current NFL culture is you can move off a quarterback and you can move off a coach in a year. It used to be that was just a sign you failed dramatically. And like I think people are over it. I mean, Arizona's like we got the wrong coach.

We got the wrong quarterback. Nobody's complaining now. Cleveland. We whiffed on the coach. Nobody's complaining. Everybody likes tofansky. So and despite what failed. fans may push back at.

If you can't get the opening press conference right, come on now. People literally still, whoa, whoa, I mean, he was nervous. You cannot butcher the opening press conference. Go look at Nick Sabin's opening press conference. It's good. Now, Belichick now can be surly, but that's what happens when you win like six Super Bowls. But your first press conference, you are setting a standard. You cannot be completely utterly over your skis.

We got Campbell admitting, I got limited brain capacity. We got Nick Sariani so nervous. And we got David Culley in Houston. The organization buried the press conference on a late Friday. Kind of tells you where you're at. Improve your diet. Improve with more protein. Butcherbox.com slash heard.

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Well, I'm not going to read the one. It's inappropriate. The people are not happy with you. They put it that way. They're not happy. They think you are trolling everybody. Which you're not. You're not.

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