The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 03/02/2021 - HOUR 1 - Watt, Dak, Zion

Episode Date: March 2, 2021

The most likely reason JJ Watt chose to play for the CardinalsDak Prescott is asking for Patrick Mahomes moneyZion is getting better and will one day be the face of the leagueGuest: Mark Schlereth Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All sorts of things happening. J.J. Watt yesterday, middle of our show, decided to move his act and his talent to Arizona. And Joy Taylor and I were in the whoa stage and the wow. stage and didn't see that coming stage. We're so often surprised by where stars go. Joy, how are you? I'm great. It's been a really wild NFL off season so far. And it actually hasn't really even officially started. It's amazing how many stars, the transaction business in the NFL, Stafford J.J. Wat Carson. I want to talk about this. So there was a story out there yesterday. It was down to Buffalo and Arizona. Two different culture cities, fan bases.

And apparently somebody in Buffalo, a reporter, had talked to a former Texans coach, and they criticized J.J. Watt. They said, quote, he's selfish, only cared about his stats. He does a lot of things that hurt the defense. I wouldn't want him. He hurt us sometimes more than he helped us. So what you're saying is he's a little rogue. That's been the knock on endomic and Sue for years. He's a little bit of a, you know, doing his own thing, a little bit of a freelancer.

For the record, I've heard. a little bit of that with JJ Watt, a little bit. Now, this morning, it's interesting. If I lined up, and this goes along the lines of what, like, the big sports betting companies think, if I looked at the NFC West this morning, I would take the Rams to win the division. They won 10 games last year with Jared Goff. I think Matt Stafford's worth a win.

I'd have the Rams winning the NFC West at 11 to 5. I would have San Francisco if Jimmy Garapolo is healthy, if he's healthy, battling them for second place. selling some of my stock on Seattle, but they have Russell Wilson, so I'd pick them third and Arizona fourth, not a shot, but it's the best division in football. So JJ Watt did not choose the best team in his own division. He didn't choose the best roster in his own division. He didn't choose the best Super Bowl odds in his own division.

He picked probably the fourth best coach in a division. some would argue the fourth best quarterback in his division. He didn't choose an area that was closer to home. Arizona was fourth in Sacks last year. He didn't choose a place where he had to have the greatest impact. It may just be this easy. J.J. Watt chose the place that was best for him and his wife, Kalia. I mean, that's it.

She's a pro athlete. He's a pro athlete. They don't have to have a second home. home with warm weather, they can go train in the off-season. It's just a good place to play some golf, drink some margaritas in the off-season, and he and his wife can train together outdoors in their beautiful house. Matt Stafford, by the way, was on the market. Many suitors. He chose the Rams, which is the toughest division in football.

Why, we found out, he just like Los Angeles. He had a home here. He liked the weather. Off seasons are easier. He's kind of worn out from Michigan winters. I mean, he grew up in Texas. played at Georgia. He was tired of the winners. Think about where the stars choose. K.D. chose Brooklyn.

Kauai chose the Clippers. Tom Brady chose the Buccaneers. As you age, things that were less important become really important. Think about the final two choices for J.J. Watt. on one shoulder as a little Buffalo bill. Hey, we are a player away from a Super Bowl. You are going to win the division. And on the other side was a little devil,

and he was wearing Arizona colors. And he's like, this is Buffalo. You're going to have to have a second home. Is your wife really want to live in Buffalo? They jump on tables. And it's kind of crazy. Arizona's more laid back. You can golf in the off season.

You can golf in the season. Think about the two places that were the final places. He probably felt guilty a little bit for choosing Arizona. So he concludes Buffalo, because that was, as Joey and I talked about, that's the place where he can literally, they're going to win their division next year. They feel like they're a pass rush away from the Super Bowl. Tennessee doesn't. Green Bay doesn't necessarily.

They already had a pretty good pass rush. So the final two places came down to one place where it made total football sense and they finished second to the place that didn't make really any football sense. and that's okay. We tend to in the media try to figure out what the best place for the athlete is. Hey, he fits the scheme,

the division, and LeBron James chose Miami. They weren't good when he got there. And the Lakers, they were terrible when he got there. Both cities for a kid that grew up in Akron, a lot of sex appeal, a lot of fun. You can get free agents to come and play there. We're always trying to figure out

where players are going to go, we're almost always wrong. In my gut feeling this morning, and I've moved four different times to different places, I think, Joy, you've moved three or four different times. It's never, you get that yellow notepad out, and I guarantee you J.J. Watt did with his wife, Kalia, and they wrote down stuff, and we'd be wrong on all the guesses. And I'm here to tell you, I bet some of it was this. Cliff Kingsbury has a reputation. he doesn't grind players at practice.

He's very Sean McVeigh. J.J. Watts's a Hall of Famer. Does he want to grind at practice? J.J. Watt shows up on Sunday and kicks your arse. He doesn't need to grind at practice. You don't want to get hurt at practice. You may have put that one down. Where do my wife and I in the off season?

You know, you live in a cold place. You've got to have a second home. In Arizona, you don't. So all those little things you write down on a list as we age. You know, when I was 20, professional success was everything. I'm 50. I'm more into my kid's success. Like, pro athletes are the same.

KD to Brooklyn, Kauai to the Clippers, Brady, the Buccaneers, J.J. Wat to Arizona. It may have just been as simple as I'm married now. The off-season matter now. Money's good enough. And winning, if it happens, great. If it doesn't, I still make the Hall of Fame. And that's okay, too.

All right, so I saw this story. Jane Slater is a reporter I trust. She is talking, her sources are telling her yesterday in the Dan Patrick show on how Dack is not budging on his salary demands. Money was in the ballpark of Russell Wilson slash Jared Gough type money. Now he's looking to be paid right behind Patrick Mahomes, a guy who's gone to the Super Bowl two years in a row. Dak hasn't done that yet. So they feel like it's been a respectable offer. His camp believes that he needs to bear what the market value is.

they feel like this deal should have gotten done two years ago. So your problems with money aren't our problems. It's about respect. If you trust that report and I do, is it possible devoted and dependable DAC has become delusional DAC? So let's pretend. We'll play a game here. That quarterbacks were paid in order based on two things.

Now, talent's obviously a big deal. But I think it's actually second place to how valuable you. are because I've seen Bill Belichick give up a lot of talented players. He rarely gives up valuable players. In fact, our sports leagues all have awards called Most Valuable Player. None of them have Most Talented Player. Joy and I have been in this business for 30 years. Companies move on from talented people all the time.

Valuable people, they'll move on from valuable people. So if you were paid based on your talent and how valuable you are, To me, there's three tiers. The first tier is four guys. Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, and Josh Isle. And let me describe each. Seattle runs an antiquated offense. Pete Carroll was fired twice and had a losing record in Seattle before Russell Wilson.

What is Seattle offensively without Russell Wilson? Tom Brady not only moves your team in the right direction, he gives you Super Bowls at the end. He changed a goofy Buccaneer franchise into a. place now we argue, everybody wants to play. Aaron Rogers doesn't give you many Super Bowls, but Green Bay has historically been awful when he doesn't play. And then Josh Allen.

Josh Allen's their best running back. He's their best running weapon. He's their best throwing weapon on a historically last 20 years in that franchise. They're now a Super Bowl conversation team. The second tier, and I know what you're saying, Patrick Mahalms? Well, Andy Reid has 13 playoff wins. without Patrick Mahomes. Two years ago, they beat the playoff Vikings without Patrick Mahomes and should have

beaten the Packers. The Kansas City Chiefs were a good franchise forever without Patrick Mahomes. And with all their weapons today, if Patrick Mahomes was not the Chief's quarterback, I believe we saw it with Alex Smith, they'd be a playoff team. So the second tier, Patrick Mahomes is a mega talent, but not quite as valuable as the first four. DeShon Watson, again, mega talent, but he went four and 12 this year. And, oh, by the way, Bill O'Brien won that division with Brock Osweiler. Look it up.

I did. I don't remember it, but it happened. Lamar Jackson is damn good. But Baltimore won a lot of games in the Super Bowl without him. And then Jimmy Garoppolo. I know what you're saying. Come on, Colin. Kyle Shanahan is a great coach, has won 25% of his NFL games without Kyle, without Jimmy Garoflo.

I'm sorry. I hurt your feelings. That's called valuable. Everybody else in the NFL is Tier 3. Pretty talented, sometimes valuable. Let's remember that in the last 17 starts, Dak Prescott is 6 and 11. They were 5 and 5 with Andy Dalton last year.

If you count the game, he came in initially and led them do a win against the New York Giants. They were behind. Dak got hurt. He came in and won. He was, DAC was 8 and 8 in 2019, 6 and 11, his last 17 starts. And in games he started and finished last year, he was 1 in 3.

Andy Dalton, if you count the game, he replaced Dak against the Giants, was 5 and 5. Now, Dax better than Andy Dalton. I am not in any way insinuating. He is not. But if Dak is saying this morning, I'm worth Patrick Mahalms money, I'm going to struggle with that.

And I like DAC, but that's dependable, devoted DAC to delusional DAC. You got to kind of know if you go into contract negotiations, you got to kind of know the temperature in the room. To me, there's four guys that are Tier 1. They can kind of name their price. There's another four or five guys, maybe even more talented, but don't quite feel as valuable to the franchise. Garoppolo would be the opposite.

I don't think he's a mega talent, but I think he's super valuable to San Francisco. Everybody else is kind of tier three. Obviously, a DAC, maybe a higher tier three or a Matt Ryan. And, you know, Baker's probably somewhat valuable. But if that's true, he sees himself as Mahomes' money class. Um, um, Maybe that's why Jerry Jones may franchise them again.

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sports, at least in this country, where somebody who becomes iconic is a late bloomer. Or we don't really know about him early and all of a sudden we figure out, wow. I mean, you know, we talked about LeBron at 16, Bryce Harper at 17, Tiger Woods at 13. That's just kind of the reality of how it works. Very few late bloomers become a face of the league. Now, you could say, oh, Patrick Mahomes, but all football players go to three or four years of college. And by the end of his first year, there were rumors he was amazing. And by his second year in the league, he became really, really, really the most talked about quarterback in the NFL

not named Tom Brady or maybe Aaron Rogers. So Mahomes is not a late bloomer. But it's interesting, Zion Williamson watched him last night again. He's getting better every game. The best team in the NBA so far has been the Utah Jazz. And he was dominant last night again. I would make the argument today that Zion Williamson is the second or third most popular player in the NBA. I think LeBron and Steph Curry go back and forth. I think Steph is very relatable to young

kids because he's small like young kids where LeBron looks just so monstrous and big. I think LeBron and Steph are the two most popular players in the league. I think Zion's already number three. Katie and Hardin are great, but their personalities are a little odd. Yonison, Kauai are quiet, not necessarily dynamic

personalities. But if you noticed anything, Utah's the number one team in the the NBA is not rushing to put them on TV. The NBA didn't rush to put New Orleans on TV when they had Anthony Davis. Is anybody noticing how ESPN and TNT are fighting to get Zion Williamson on television? It reminds me when Tim Tebow was in the NFL, I was told by an executive that Tebow articles on Sunday night after the games were getting five and six times like the Patriot articles with Brady or the giant articles with Eli. I think the NBA's found their next face in the league. And I think it's Zion.

And I think he's already the third most popular player. I remember a couple years ago, it may have been five or six years ago. And I've said this on the air with Joy several times when 60 minutes came out and said, Janus is the face of the league. I'm like, I didn't know who he was until like year three in the NBA. Zion has three things that are really, really important. Number one, he played at Duke. And his shoe exploded.

And there was controversy around it. So we, like, knew him as a teenager. I didn't know Yonis until, I didn't know Kauai until he'd been in the league like three years. I didn't know Yonis. It's one thing for Bryce Harper, who he's in the minors, and I knew him in high school. It's another thing, like, we didn't talk about Mike Trout, and then he went to the Angels, and he had to be great before we talked about him being great. We talked about Bryce Harper being great, and the bigs when he was in high school.

So Zion played at Duke. That's why I've always defended college basketball. It's a good platform. NBA should use it more, and we knew who he was early. Plus, the internet, his dunks. Secondly, his game is not only dynamic, it doesn't look like anybody else's game. I remember when Magic Johnson came into the NBA, it never been a six, eight and a half point guard.

He didn't even look like other guards. Magic had kind of a funky shot. He didn't shoot like anybody else. He didn't play like anybody else. Zion's game doesn't look like anybody else's game. And number three, his personality, like magic. He's likable. He smiles.

He wanted to play when his shoe exploded. He wanted to come back to college basketball. But he said, all my agents and stuff said, I probably need to go pro. I'd love to come back and play college basketball. I think he's the third most popular guy in the league. We knew him early. His game is crazy and crazy different. And I find the guy incredibly likable.

That's not that James Harden isn't likable. He's a little odd. Kauai is quiet. I mean, Janice, we didn't kind of figure him out until later. And his game is good, but there's holes in it. And I don't find it terribly dynamic, although there are moments when he makes great plays. But if you look at how hard the NBA is working to get Zion on television, that tells you everything. They're looking at data and they're looking at research.

And he is jumping and popping off the charts. They're not doing that with Kauai. I mean, Dame Lillard's great. They're not doing that with the trailblazers. They didn't do it with AD and the Pelicans. They're not doing it with John Morant. They're doing it with historically irrelevant New Orleans in Zion. Joy Taylor with the news.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. 49ers GM, John Lynch, said last week that he had no doubt that Jimmy Garoppola would be the team's quarterback in 2021. if he's healthy, but they're still rumored to be looking at other options. They reportedly called the Panthers to ask about potentially trading for Teddy Bridgewater. Well, Teddy's got injury stuff too. It's very strange.

That's a weird one. Does somebody have phone records? How do they know that? That's weird. Well, look, it's a very, it's a trusted source. Athletic is reporting this. I just find it kind of interesting that. That wouldn't be the fit.

John Lynch would come out and say that. and then there's still reports that they were looking elsewhere. Can you and I agree with this? They're moving off Jimmy G. in a year. Yes. And I think if they had a viable option right now, they would move off him now. I agree, but they don't. And it's not because of talents,

because although there are some people out there who don't like Jimmy G. Talent-wise, he's shown what he can do when he's healthy. The problem with Jimmy G. is he's always injured. He's missed 23 games to injury. Remember when the Kirk Cousin rumors came out and we were both, at least I was, I was like, Kirk Cousins.

Kirk Cousins never missed a start. He missed a week 17 start years ago, playoffs. So what Kyle Shanahan, that's why Bridgewater makes no sense to me because Teddy's had some traumatic injuries. No, I don't think that Teddy is a fit there. I don't. And I do think that Carolina is actively trying to move off of Teddy. And I think that they will, whether they're going to this season or not,

depending on what they, you know, depend on what they do in the draft and the rest of free agency. But the thing with Jimmy G is, while he may be capable, obviously we've seen him play in a Super Bowl and be one throw away from winning it, the amount of injuries brings him down to this level of quarterback. Because after a while, it's exhausting to have to constantly be worried about if he's going to be available. It is.

But for the time being, like I said to start the show, in this moment, he's really valuable. because Kyle Shanahan can't go into another year and finish third or fourth again. But he might because Jimmy G might get hurt again. He might. But listen, with his, the fact that they already haven't moved off him with his injuries tells you we don't have anybody better. No, they don't. But it doesn't surprise me that they are making so many calls because it becomes impossible to game plan and to plan for your season when you don't know if your franchise quarterback is going to be available.

And that's not Jimmy G's fault. It's just the way that it is. He's injured a lot, and a lot is kind of an understatement. He's missed 23 games and not that long of a career. It's impossible to plan for that. So Tom Brady pulled off the dream season, winning his seventh Super Bowl and his first year in Tampa, but he didn't spend too much time celebrating the accomplishment. Buck's quarterback coach, Clyde Christensen, revealed he got a call from Brady the very next morning,

ready to get their work on next season. He said, Brady said, I was just sitting here thinking, and I think we can really be better next year. I think we're going to be a better team. He was already excited about the next year. It's amazing. That's how his mind works. He's barely been in a couple hours,

and he's already thinking about it the next morning. Tom, you got to enjoy the wins sometimes, buddy. Like, just live a little. But it's funny. So we all sleep eight hours a day, and theoretically, we all work eight hours a day. And that gives you eight more hours. And I think about this all the time.

My daughter always goes, Dad, you're, you know, for an old guy, you're really productive. And I'm always like, well, you sleep eight and work eight, what are you going to do? You're not that old. Yeah, that's true. But like, what do you do for eight hours? Is it possible? So you have a lot of life.

Your days are long. Tom Brady could have had seven and a half great hours with his family that day and then called this guy and said, you know, I actually was thinking about this driving to the store, driving out to, you know, the bay here. I think we're going to be better next year. So that story sounds like Tom has no life. But if you think about the average, I think about this all the time, is that I, this Sunday, for instance, I had to do a podcast, but I sat and watched an NBA game and I watched a movie. And I thought, what a loser. I sat in my hotel room for three and a half hours. I was so discouraged.

And then I thought to myself what my daughter says, that's just life. You got a lot of time in your life. Well, also, NBA is technically work. Yeah, I guess. So. But I guess my point is the idea that Tom's obsessed, he could. have had seven and a half hours of his non-sleeping. Yeah, it's not like he sent him a PowerPoint presentation of what he's got going on next year.

But it is the mentality of it. Look, success is not an accident. Yeah, thank you. And there are outliers where people get given opportunities and their overnight successes. And then most of the time an overnight success is 10 or 20 years in the making. And sustained success is most certainly not an accident. Thank you. That is dedication and hard.

work and Tom Brady has shown that. And the reason that he has the respect that he has around the league and the reason that all of his teammates embraced him the way that they did and followed him is because he leads by example. He's not just out there saying I'm the best and walking in with an air about him that, you know, all that I've accomplished. He wakes up the next morning thinking about how to get better every day. And that is something that you can't fake. People see that. They appreciate it. And it rubs off on other people. And it can't be argued because he went to Tampa in his first year and won a Super Bowl. So the proof is there.

Yeah, sustained success is not an accident. Tom's mind leads him to great places. So James Harden led the Nets with a big win over the Spurs last night. He recorded a triple double in the 124-113 overtime win, which was his seventh since joining the Nets. He also became the first player to record a 30.15 assist and at least 10 rebound triple double with no turnovers, so being very efficient. and after the game, Kyrie said there's only more good things to come for James Harden in Brooklyn. I think we have to implement the phrase, get used to it.

When James is being James, it makes all our job a lot easier. And, you know, like I said, we got to get used to somebody special like that doing, you know, things like that in terms of breaking records. So I can't wait to be right alongside him with my name in Nets history, you know, alongside Katie, alongside BD, alongside Joe, alongside all the guys on our team where we're just breaking records as a team, and then individually, you know, we're stacking up with some of the best to ever play. They did let the spurs get in and at the end of the game and go to overtime, but I liked how they came back together after slipping a little bit and letting it go to overtime. It's really not a good sequence at the end of the game.

I just, I love what Brooklyn is doing. The only question for Brooklyn now, I mean, really, the only question now is when you play a team, when you go to the playoffs and you play the same team over and over and over, and it's like obviously Brooklyn is a real problem when you don't have a lot of prep with the NBA squished. Yeah. Yeah. So we have a condensed schedule.

If you just look at what Brooklyn's doing, they are a real problem. You just don't have the time to implement a defensive strategy to stop three of the best basketball players in the world. The only question now for Brooklyn for us, Joy, is, okay, now they face Brad Stevens. or any good coach, Toronto's coach, six times in two weeks. Can you find some rhythm defensively? I'm not even, like, I'm certainly not worried about Brad Stevens and Celtics. They don't win a game. This is obviously, with a condensed schedule, Brooklyn's going to score a hundred twenty-eight a night,

and you just have to deal with. You have to deal with it. You have to also be able to score and take advantage of any kind of breakdowns like they did last night where they let the spurs creep back in it. Yeah, good stuff, Joy, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News.

Got three Super Bowls and a couple of pro-Bulls. He's a Fox Sports NFL analyst, does commentary, does games. He's our friend. He's Mark Schlaerth. He's joining us brought you by Mercedes. Ben's the best or nothing. Saul, can you take me into the mind of a great player? J.J. Watt chose the Arizona Cardinals.

I could argue they have the fourth best coach in the division. I could argue they have the fourth best roster in the division. And my argument is he and his wife, Kahlia, they may have just said, No, you don't have to have a second home if you live there. It's a good place to work out in the offseason. It could have been that simple that it was just quality of life stuff. I mean, what's your takeaway? Yeah, I think that, you know, I think you talk about JJ Watt.

He's a thoughtful guy, and it is about him, and it's about his wife. It's about her career as well as his career. But I would say this, like, what's the teams that were reported offering J.J. Watt, Tennessee, Indianapolis, and Cleveland. And I would say this. which of those quarterbacks has the highest potential ceiling? If you're going to go play with one of those quarterbacks, first off, you go to Arizona, you're already reunited with DeAndre Hopkins, a buddy of yours, right,

that you played in Houston with. So you've got some familiarity there. You've got the two best, what, sack artists in the game over the last decade in J.J. Watt and Chandler Jones. And you've got a quarterback that has an incredibly high ceiling. Yeah. So I would say of the teams that seem to be offering, because we all thought, hey, Green Bay or Kansas City.

But if they weren't in the mix and those were the teams offering you, I can make a very compelling argument that at 8 and 8 last year, with those added additions, you have the best chance of actually being competitive for a playoff run. Now, tough division, no question about it, but a lot of questions in that division with Stafford coming over to Los Angeles and obviously with what's going on in Seattle with Russell Wilson. So I think I can make a compelling argument that those teams that were offering you,

the best chance to win and win big is in Arizona. So Dak Prescott story yesterday, Jane Slater says he wants respect. He wants Patrick Mahomes money. And I said earlier, I think we're going from dependable DAC to slightly delusional DAC. What do you make on these new reports that he's not budging and he wants Patrick Mahomes' money? Well, I mean, I would look at this situation with Dak Prescott and say, what were you doing two years ago? I mean, if we look back at Jimmy G, you were just talking about Jimmy G. remember when Jimmy G signed his contract and all of a sudden it was like, oh, can you believe they're spending that kind of money on Jimmy G, a former second rounder?

And what are they doing? Now that contract is a bargain. And I look at Dallas, all these, the last two years shuffling their feet, not getting a deal done, throwing out, you know, the news to hit the news cycle. Like, can you believe what he's turning down? Like, I look at this and I completely pin the whole thing on the Dallas Cowell. boys. You didn't take care of your quarterback. And I know you don't want to spend top dollar for your quarterback. But if you'd have spent it two years ago, gets what? He'd be a bargain right now. And you were unwilling to do it two years ago and you put yourself in this position. I don't blame

a guy for wanting to maximize his value. And the value out there for quarterbacks, we've seen it, right? I mean, Matthew Stafford's played 12 years in the league, has been to the playoffs. What? He's never won a playoff games. He's been in playoffs a handful of times. And they traded him for two first rounders. So you tell me what the value of a quarterback is. I mean, obviously in a quarterback starved league, it's huge. So I don't blame a guy for trying to maximize his value. I want to ask you, the draft is coming up. And, you know, you're not some draft specialist. You don't claim to be. But I have this. So Zach Wilson's the new hot guy. And now people are now saying, hey, he's not that far from, you know, Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence. And so I remember the first time I saw

Zach Wilson play it was against Utah and he lost. And Kyle Whittingham's a defensive coach. And then the second time I saw me played the University of Washington, Chris Peterson defensive coach, and he got blown out. And the third time I saw him, he played Utah again. And he lost worse. O and three against top 25 teams. His bowl wins are over like, you know, directional schools. and every time I watched him play a great defensive coach or a really high-end team, he lost. But yet, and by the way, he was kind of mad as a freshman, man as a sophomore. This year he popped. And I think to myself, well, my eyes told me against the good teams, you know, he can line up and play with the big boys.

I never saw him line up and go toe to toe and beat the big boys. Am I making too big of a deal out of that and go back to your career? because you came from a smaller school, or should I look at a college kid who every time I watched him against the big boys, frankly, wasn't very special? What do you make of that using your career and what you've seen? Well, I would go back to roster building

and how important is your roster? And we always downgrade a guy because he didn't play against great competition, right? Because he played at a smaller school. But I would always look at that situation and say, man, he's competing against those smaller schools. And when you take your school and you go against the big boys, at every position you're outmaned.

And so I'll go back to, you know, Josh Allen. Look at what Josh Allen has been able to accomplish in Buffalo in three years. And look at how he steadily improved as a quarterback. You know, and there were a lot of people saying, well, the accuracy isn't there. And he didn't compete against big schools. he played at Wyoming. When he played it.

So I don't look like a lot of draft Nix. I don't look at playing in a smaller school as detrimental to a guy's development. I look at his skill set. I look at his arm talent. I look at his footwork. I look at just his presence in the pocket, his accuracy down the field. I think all those things are really good. And a lot of times what ends up happening is when you play at a smaller school with lesser athletes on the outside,

man, you have to make. accurate throws, like big time, tight windowed throws. And when you play at a school where you only face light competition two or three times a year, you don't. And what's open in the NFL, like what's wide open in the NFL is completely covered in college. Like that's a shocking reality for most quarterbacks who leave college and come to the NFL. The coach is like, you got to throw that ball. And like, well, he wasn't open. And the coach is like, no, he was wide open. And I think smaller school guys sometimes have a better adaptability at those things when they come into the NFL. It's less, there's less of a window to adapt to that.

That's pretty good. You kind of shot my theory down all the heck. My theory doesn't mean anything anymore. You just blew it up. No, it's a good point with John, because I look at him and I watch them against Utah and Washington. I was like, I don't really see it. I mean, he's talented.

You can tell he's an NFL player, but the Josh Allen stuff's good. Well, thanks for blowing up my argument there. I really appreciate that. All right. My pleasure. Good seeing you, buddy. Mark Slareth. Likewise. You bet. Matt Mosley next hour is going to join us, reporter a long time talk show host in Dallas regarding the that situation.

Coming up next, you know, they always say, and people go to Facebook. I'm not on Facebook daily. The show is, but people go to Facebook, and that's where affairs start. You go back to your high school girlfriend or your high school boyfriend, a college boyfriend, college girlfriend. You reunite with an old flame. And that, of course, is because memories are often greater than reality. There's a reason she dumped you.

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then married somebody else and had beautiful kids, is that your memories are much greater than reality. People generally don't remember pain. They often say that's why women have multiple children because they don't remember how painful sometimes childbirth can be. You don't remember the pain. You remember the good times in relationships, too. And so I don't go to Facebook, but that's the effect of it. Now, I was thinking about Dak Prescott, who now wants to be paid like Patrick Mahomes. Let's talk about not the memories. Let's talk about the reality of Dak.

These are all facts, not opinions. Last 17 starts, he's 6 and 11. 14 of his wins. That's a lot of wins, have come against Washington. Washington and the Giants rebuilding. Seven and two against one, seven and one against the other. Last four years, majority of his wins against those two crappy teams. And in 2019, another reality, end of the year, to get into the playoffs against New England or Philadelphia,

both, especially Philadelphia, injury ravaged teams, he couldn't generate one touchdown drive. More reality, as they've become less about Zeke and more about DAC, the Cowboys win less. In fact, if you go back to every year, Dac and Zeeke have been in the league together, 2016 to 2020, I have all the numbers on the screen. I will not bore the radio audience. But as rushing totals have gone down every year. And as you see, quite obviously, the team gets worse. So the less it's about Zique and the more it's about DECC,

because Zik now is a pretty average running back and the Cowboys are a pretty average football team. So that's the reality of what we have now with Dack. That's the reality. Six and 11 last 17. a majority of his wins against the rebuilding giants and the rebuilding Washington football team couldn't generate a touchdown 2019 end of the year against Philadelphia, New England.

And the more they rely on DAC and the less they rely on Zeke, the less they win. Those are not. Now, the Facebook effect. Let's go to the memories. Oh, 13 and 3 in his rookie season. Well, let's go to that year. Let's go to the 13.

Because that's where we're like, holy moly, he's good. The Cowboys were number one in rushing percentage, number two in rushing yards a game, number two in rushing touchdowns, and number three in rushing average. This was Zeke's team. Zeke rushed for six. This is a lot of yards. Zeke rushed for 15 touchdowns and 1,600 yards. And if you recall, I remember that rookie year.

It was the first time in my life that I talked about an offensive line. Remember that Dallas team? I mean, they would just, all those offensive linemen were in their prime. They were all first round picks. You know, the San Francisco 49ers have all those first round picks in their defensive line. We talked about it at the Super Bowl year. The Cowboys were the opposite. They had all these first round offensive linemen, and they were all in their prime.

They just bowled people over. You couldn't get to DAC. You couldn't stop Zeke. Do you know how many yards, 1,600 yards is, 15 touchdowns? Your memory is DAC is 13 and 3. It was Zeke's team. you couldn't stop them. I remember this Pittsburgh game.

You could not stop them. And so I think it's the Facebook effect. I think we're getting a little bit of our memories of early DAC aren't really the reality of early DAC or certainly later DAC. Is that I'm not saying he doesn't have qualities I like and admire. I'm not saying when he wasn't carted off the field, I didn't get emotional. And I'm not saying he's not a franchise quarterback. I'm not saying any of those things. He is a franchise quarterback.

He's reliable. He's tough. He had one fluky injury. I mean, he's, you know, he's been good with Jerry Jones. He stood behind him. He's always ready to play. He, you know, he tends to. He's got kind of a quality where he can struggle in football games to find a rhythm. But late in games, he's never afraid of the moment. I like that about it. Kirk Cousins is talented. Sometimes feels like he shrinks in the moment. I think Dak lacks some certain great talents, but I never think he shrinks in the moment. but I do think we've come to that fork in the road where the memories are fuzzy, we're romanticizing stuff. You go to a psychologist.

If you're ever really going to deep dive with a psychologist, they'll all tell you the same things. We always embellish our childhood. It was either greater or worse than it really was. Most people have sort of, you know, a little chaos in childhood, go to school, have friends. It's never as great as we recall. It's probably never as bad as most people recall. You know, we were all goofy. We're all kids.

We all cried. We all hit a... We struck out a lot. We hit a couple of game-winning shots. But we were goofy kids. I think with that, we're going a little overboard on the memories, and we need to be more honest about the realities. Hour 2 on a Tuesday.

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