The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 03/04/2021 - HOUR 3- Big Ben, Mayfield

Episode Date: March 4, 2021

The Steelers know what they are getting with Big Ben, and yet they are bringing him backBaker Mayfield probably should've kept that to himselfGuest: T. J. Houshmandzadeh Learn more about your ad-choi...ces at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:30 Ah, here we go, it's hour three. The NFL drama continues. Live in LA, it's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Alex Curry is joining me today. So Alex, I am going to tell a fable today. Okay, what's it about?
Starting point is 00:02:52 A fable. It started back in Russia. this is Russian school children were told this years ago. Early 20th century. It's the story about the frog and the scorpion. And you've probably heard this, but I'm going to tell this story.
Starting point is 00:03:12 It's going to last about two minutes. And there's a frog and a scorpion on the side of a river. And the scorpion wants to go to the other side of the river, but a scorpion can't swim. So the scorpion says to the frog, will you take me over to the other side of the river? And the frog says to the scorpion,
Starting point is 00:03:36 well, you will sting me. Scorpions sting other insects and animals. And the scorpion goes, no, no, no, no, no. What would be the sense of that? If I sting you in the middle of the river, we would both die. And so the frog listens to the scorpion and says, Well, that's reasonable. That's sensible.
Starting point is 00:04:01 So, why don't you jump on my back, Scorpion, and I will take you across a river. And halfway across the river, the scorpion stabs and stings the frog, and the frog starts to die. And the frog turns around and goes,
Starting point is 00:04:17 why did you stab me? And the scorpion says, it's who I am. It's in my nature. And it's interesting today, because NFL teams are really becoming what they are. An hour ago, the Steelers signed Big Ben. Of course they did.
Starting point is 00:04:36 It's in their nature. They cling on to players, very proud city. It's always been in the shadow of more big city, Philadelphia. Pittsburgh's a very big small town. Wonderful city, by the way, beautiful. But it's in their nature. They hold on and romanticize their history. Big Ben's coming back, took a pay cut, but they were going to make it work,
Starting point is 00:05:03 even though he has not beaten an elite quarterback for about 15 years in a playoff game. Even though he's not committed in the offseason, that's legendary, not committed film study. Not a great teammate, some of the times, very dramatic. But it's in Pittsburgh's nature to bring him back. Seattle is different. Kevin Clark's a very funny writer for the ringer. He always said Seattle has never played a normal football game. Seattle's a little crazy. By the way, multiple general managers and scouting directors have told me through the years, we can't figure out the way Seattle drafts. They're always a total wild card. And today, Seattle's taking offers for Russell Wilson. That's in their nature. That's who they are. You would never think,
Starting point is 00:05:57 Russell's in his prime, top three quarterback, will there ever be a time Kansas City much more predictable, less flaky, less contrarian, would take calls for Patrick Mahomes in the next three years? Of course not. But this is Seattle's nature. Pete Carroll's always been a little different, a little off center. That's not a negative. He's a very unique personality.
Starting point is 00:06:23 He's very different. Chomp on that gum at 69 years old. And Russell Wilson plays the position differently than anybody that's ever played it. So the frog and the scorpion. We're both dying, but that's in my nature. That's who I am. And the Steelers, not a shock, figure out a way to keep Ben. And the Seahawks, not a shock, are actually taking calls for Russell Wilson.
Starting point is 00:06:53 I mean, I, that's according to reports today, he's not happy in Seattle. my argument is, so what? A lot of people live in Seattle. It rains too much. They're not happy. If you got a great job at Microsoft, you make it work. You got a great job at Starbucks. You make it work. I think Pete and Russell, there's going to be tension. I think they just serve each other well.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Belichick and Brady didn't know us get along. Kobe and Phil didn't get along. But it was the best place for them. We'll see how it turns out. Later and best for last, I'm going to play The Price is Right. Fell edition, T.J. Hushmanzada in 10 minutes. All right. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Hey, what's up, everybody? It's me, three-time Pro Bowl of LaVarrington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast called Up on Game. What is Up on Game, you ask? Along with my fellow Pro Bowler, T.J. Hushman Zada and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right. Plexico Burris. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it.
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Starting point is 00:08:41 Prefer my franchise quarterback. Keep that one to himself. But I don't really care. And Baker is going to sink or swim. And the UFO story will not probably have anything to do with any of it. But listen, you know, my theory on UFOs has always been the same. is I think it's all, you know, like falling stars, falling debris, like stuff falls out of the sky, and you see it a lot when you're out of a city in the country because you don't have the,
Starting point is 00:09:11 what do they call it, the light pollution when you're in the middle of Utah, you're in the middle of farmland in Wisconsin, you can see everything in the sky and stuff's shooting down and there's space junk. That's the first thing, I think. And the second thing, I think, is it's our government testing stuff and you can't hide everything. So I don't necessarily believe in UFOs. Now, there are, there are Pentagon stuff that's been released with these things that look like TikToks that go 5,000 miles an hour. My guess on that is it's a government, some government with, it's military.
Starting point is 00:09:46 And we're always trying to catch up to other countries. They're trying to catch up to us. So I can't explain the Phoenix lights. I can't explain that. There was an incident in a Chicago airport. about seven, eight years ago, you can look it up that I think is the most fascinating UFO ever seen, kind of seen, not seen, sort of seen. It's not that I don't, I'm not willing to believe it.
Starting point is 00:10:10 It's just I think they're either space junk or their military stuff. And the reason I say this is years ago, I was a sportscaster in Las Vegas. And we had a guy named Dan Burns who covered like Area 51. And we in Vegas saw the stealth before the rest of the country. Now they got stealth for years flying over games. But when they were developing it, where did it fly? It was flying all over the desert. This thing that radar couldn't pick up, that at night was black and you'd see three
Starting point is 00:10:44 triangle, you'd see three lights at the end of each angle of the triangle. So that was out there. the government was testing it for a decade. They were testing it for a decade. Lots of people thought they saw UFOs. In the end, it was stealth. And we didn't want to advertise it because stealth is a military jet that was used, didn't get picked up on radar.
Starting point is 00:11:06 We used it in a war, if you remember, in the Middle East. So it's not what I'm saying we're the only people in the galaxy, although I'll be honest with you. There's only one Baker Mayfield. He can't be duplicated. There is no Baker Mayfield in another galaxy or another planet. I can assure you. But I don't think that's going to have anything to do with his career.
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Starting point is 00:14:10 and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because, of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line.
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Starting point is 00:16:15 Three big quarterback stories today. T.J. Hushman Zata, Foxx. NFL analyst is now joining me live. So you actually know the Seahawks culture pretty well. Are you shocked that after Russell goes a little public, Seattle is that uncomfortable that they're making calls to trade him? I wouldn't say I'm shocked. If you look at the history, you look at Richard Sherman,
Starting point is 00:16:43 you look at Earl Thomas. Pete Curle has pretty much had a problem with their best players. as soon as they start to speak up, as soon as they start to question him, he gets rid of him. And so Russell Wilson will be the next guy that spoke out, said something. You question Pete. You have to go. And that's what it's looking like. It makes no sense to me.
Starting point is 00:17:02 You don't really see quarterbacks as good as Russell Wilson get traded, but I foresee that taking place. What do you think it is? Just Pete has a belief system and it has to run through him. I mean, so you make a good point. I mean, Richard Sherman, he had a problem with him. Earl Thomas, he had a problem with him. A lot of coaches can handle it. But just Pete doesn't do that.
Starting point is 00:17:25 If you don't support Pete, you're out, basically, is what you're saying. Yeah, Pete is like a wolf in sheep's clothing. It really is. Like, he smiles in it, but you can't question them. And it's just really weird. I look at it from this standpoint, Colin, is you look at the Buffalo Bill. Sean McDermott is a defensive coach.
Starting point is 00:17:44 When he took that job, he was a defensive coach, great defense, run the ball, you draft Josh out. and then he adapted. He evolved. They will turn this into an offense that we can win Super Bowls and go to playoff. They evolved and literally just threw the ball all over the field, the Buffalo Bills. Pete Carroll doesn't want to evolve. They have a bad game or two out.
Starting point is 00:18:05 We got to be a two-yard and a cloud of dust's offense. We got to start running the ball more. Pete doesn't want to evolve. He wants to be in the old days of playing football, at least offensive football. and Russell's looking at it like, look what Mahomes are the toy. Look what Josh Allen is doing. Look what Jared Golf is doing in our own division. Look what Shanahan is doing in our own division.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Look what Kyler Murray's doing in our own division. Why are we not playing how these guys are playing? And he's fed up. If you were Dak Prescott's agent, I'm going to make an argument that DAC should take a franchise tag and not want to stay long-term in Dallas. And here's why. It's very hard to win in the NFL Super Bowls. if you have an average coach and an average GM.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Jerry Jones is the Cowboys GM and Mike McCarthy's the coach. Why not just take the franchise money? Go to the market next year. By the way, the Patriots, Niners, and Saints may not have a quarterback next year. It's a bad quarterback college group next year. Why shouldn't Dak just say, pay me for a year big money, 37 large, and let me just go to the market? Security isn't the be-all end-all.
Starting point is 00:19:13 is it if you're Dak Prescott? He's a quarterback. He's going to get it eventually. For me, if I'm Dak, I'm taking the franchise regardless. I'm getting to the open market next year. You take the franchise, you make $68 million in two years. And to me, you play the Kirk Cousins game. And you make the amount of money that Kurt Cousin has made over the last six, seven years. And that's the way you go about it.
Starting point is 00:19:37 But if you look on the flip side, you look at the NFCEs, that division. it's very winnable every year. Washington, they don't have a quarterback. The Eagles, they don't have a quarterback. The Giants have a quarterback, but do they really have a quarterback? So you're looking at that division is saying any team can win this division. That with the Cowboys right away puts him at the forefront of that division just because he's the best quarterback in that division.
Starting point is 00:20:03 But if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm playing a year on the franchise and I'm hitting the market and we'll see what happens. So you played for the Cincinnati Bengals for 8. years. They have the fifth overall pick. They found their quarterback. They've got several needs. If you ran the Bengals, what, and you do all this college stuff, you're very keen on college players developing them. You watch a lot of college football. What should your Bengals do with a fifth pick, a great pick in this draft? One of two guys. Panei Sewell from Oregon, offensive tackle, or Rashon Slater, the tackle from Northwestern. You have to draft one of those guys. The focus for the
Starting point is 00:20:41 Bengals should be offensive line early and often in a draft. And if you can find a defensive starter up front, you do that as well. But you have to keep Joe Burrow protected because when you look at the division, the Steelers always play defense. The Ravens always play defense. Oh, and the Browns have Miles Garrett. So you have to keep Joe Burrow upright and protecting. It starts with a front.
Starting point is 00:21:03 They draft anything under than one of those two linemen. I'll be shocked. All right. You work out with a lot of college quarterbacks. receivers. This is an excellent wide receiver draft. Is there one that's different, better than all the others in your opinion, TJ? I mean, for me, it's obvious, but he's kind of drifted away because he opted out, it's Jamar Chase. You just look at the way he played his last year in college with Burroughs as a quarterback, and he was the number one receiver on that LSU team. Justin Jefferson
Starting point is 00:21:39 was the number two receiver on that team. And then you see what you. Justin Jefferson did this year and just say, oh my God, he was a number two behind Jamar Chase. So me personally, I'm going with Jamar Chase. He's not a very tall guy. It's probably six feet, but he's thick. He just has great body control, great hand-eye coordination and the ability to go up and get the ball that other guys just don't have. He just has a knack for catching the ball, getting separation. In NFL, these guys are good. You're not going to kill guys all the time. You're going to have to make contested catches. And that's what he did best when he was the last time we seen him playing college football.
Starting point is 00:22:12 So a year ago at this time, T.J. Hirschmanzada, you were telling me on the air and off, Justin Herbert is going to be unbelievable. So you kept saying to me, you're saying, dude, this guy is so big, his calves, his shoulders, his arm. And you're one of the reasons, Joy and I sort of bought it, you know, we liked him. And you just kept saying, trust me, I'm seeing this kid every day. he's going to be unbelievable. And as you predicted, he was unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:22:44 I suspect with a new coach, offensive-minded guy, they have a history of drafting pretty well. Justin's going to keep going. So you're also now seeing some of the quarterbacks. This appears to be a pretty good quarterback draft. Is there one quarterback or a couple that you have strong feelings about in this quarterback draft? Man, so I just got back from a, from,
Starting point is 00:23:09 I'm actually working with him this morning. And I need some more time to give you an honest answer, Colin. And like being out there, like Trevor Lawrence, big guy can move, can run, can really throw it. Great person knows how to communicate with people. But then you see Zach Wilson and you say, oh, he's not that big. And then you see him run. He runs like a skilled guy. Like he's a receiver or a DB.
Starting point is 00:23:33 He's that fast. And then you see him throwing. You're like, oh, wow. Ball just jumps out his hand. And then you see Justin Field. He's huge, like not very tall. It's probably 6'3, but he's a big boy, thick, big legs, big shoulders, very accurate throwing the ball today.
Starting point is 00:23:51 He can run. And so those three guys are at the top where they fall. If I need to give you an honest answer, I need to see more. But I was very, very impressed with the accuracy and the way the ball was coming out, all three of those guys' hands. Hey, listen, we got five guys there going to get. get drafted, you know, three of them probably do work. Let's be honest, that's usually, usually one guy doesn't work, two or three do, and one's in the middle. And I worry about
Starting point is 00:24:19 Zach Wilson's frame. He looks skinny to me. That worries me a little. You? He's not, he's not skinny. He's just not a, he's just not overly tall. He's a big guy. I would say he's about 210. And the other guy that was out there today would us, Kyle Trass, Canon, huge, big, like six, seven years ago, Kyle Trass would probably be the first pick, prototype of quarterback, big dude. big arm, walked up to the field. I thought, oh, there go Carson Wentz. Oh, no, that's not Carson Wentz.
Starting point is 00:24:44 That's Kyle Trask. But Zach Wilson, he's not a skinny guy by any means. He's just not very tall. You played Bengals eight years Ravens won. I was a fan of Big Ben in his prime. I've heard stories about his lack of commitment for film study, his lack of commitment in the offseason. I was always told the audible system for the Steelers
Starting point is 00:25:06 is pretty remedial and simple compared to a man. or a Brady. So the Steelers re-signed him today for a smaller number. When you, when you didn't have to face him, obviously, with the Bengals or Ravens, you're an offensive player. But what did, what did guys that face Big Ben say? What were his strengths and weaknesses? How was he viewed by players in your division? I mean, for me personally, and a lot of guys, Big Ben was, he was the boxer that would take one of yours, the land one of his. And he would sit in there. He would stare down the face of that rush. He wouldn't flinch. He wouldn't panic. and that's why his receivers had so they get so many opportunities to get off scripted plays
Starting point is 00:25:46 and yards because he's willing to take a hit and throw that ball at the last minute. He's willing to scramble around and let his guys get that extra time to get open. I've always had a lot of respect for Ben. I thought he was one of the better quarterbacks in the league. And when you look at it, every receiver that he's played with, every receiver, their number one receiver has always played well when Ben's been the quarterback. And so that says something for me. Yeah. By the way, free agency is very interesting. So, you know, the old numbers are about 33% of free agents go to a team and it works. It's great. But there's a lot of whiffs. You've seen, are you a fan of free agency for teams? Obviously for the players, they make more money. It's good for the players. But on the teams you were on, when your teams landed free agents, did they work? Did they not fit? You know, if you don't own the car
Starting point is 00:26:39 initially, the odometer could be false, right? You don't know exactly what kind of guy is. In your history in the NFL, what did you make of free agent acquisitions? For me, the smart team, this how I look at it is this, if you bring in a big time high money free agent, if he's an offensive player, run things that he does well. Don't make him fit into what you want him to do. Go watch the film from what he did well at his previous team. implement a lot of those things. Talk to them. Okay, when you guys ran this route,
Starting point is 00:27:14 when you guys were in this formation, what were you guys looking for? Why did you run the route this way? If you're a defensive player, put schemes in that he's used to that he can be successful. See, what happens is these guys have a lot of success,
Starting point is 00:27:27 and they go to a different team, and they do the same thing that they did when they were on the previous team, but that's not how the new team wants it, wasn't done, and they're like, oh, this guy can't play. implement what he does well, and I believe you'll see more success rates, but a lot of these coaches in the league, they want it done their way,
Starting point is 00:27:44 and they don't want to compromise, and that's where they go wrong at. All right. In review, T.J. Hushman Zata, who knows this league played in Seattle, says if you're going to call out Pete Carroll, you're going to get shipped in Seattle. And the story today, the Seahawks have made calls to other teams about trading. Russell Wilson, he's not happy in Seattle. Diana Rusini at ESPN tells the Pat McAfee Show. Good stuff.
Starting point is 00:28:10 TJ loves seeing you, my man. Colin, I appreciate it, man. As always, keep up the great work. All right, T.J. Hushmanzada. Alex Curry with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Well, Zion Williamson took no time getting back to work. After a four-point loss to the Bulls lost night, after missing eight of 16 free throws, including two crucial ones down the stretch, Zion spent 40 minutes shooting around after the game, before speaking to reporters, and when asked why he took extra time to work on his technique, he said he needed to find his flow. I think this is a good sign.
Starting point is 00:28:46 It's better to take the time and go work on something you weren't happy with, opposed to leaving the game and drinking away your sorrows. Well, also, his game is a more dynamic version of Carl Malone. And so he's going to spend, he initiates so much contact. He's going to spend a lot of time. the free throw line. And the prediction I made before he came into college, I said, my only concern is, in college he wasn't a great free throw shooter. If he gets to 75%, he's going to score thousands of points like Carl Malone at the free throw line. He just initiates so much contact. I never worry
Starting point is 00:29:25 about his jump shot. He's got a nice looking jumper. I don't worry about his defense. He didn't have to be a great defensive player. But the free throw, I mean, you can, you shoot 55% from the free throw line. you're giving up 5,000 points in your career. So bad night, get it together. Listen, Tim Duncan gave up a lot of points at the free throw line early in his career. I think he got better later. So it matters.
Starting point is 00:29:46 It's the only free shot in the sport. Hit it. What if you put in the time, I feel like it's the easiest thing to improve on? That's all it takes. No secret recipe. All right, we're moving to the Steelers who announced they have signed Ben Rathesberger to a new contract for the 2021 season. Big Ben reportedly reduced his pay to $14 million from 19 million.
Starting point is 00:30:04 in the final year of his deal and spread the cash payment through 2022. This lowered his cap hit by over $15 million and keeps Big Ben in Pittsburgh for an 18th season. Now, it's not surprising, but a little disappointing. It feels like we're kind of watching these quarterback stories. It feels like a quarterback sitcom. Everyone's kind of on the edge of their seat waiting to see the season finale where all the quarterbacks are going to end up. And Big Ben staying in Pittsburgh was like, eh, okay.
Starting point is 00:30:33 I get big Ben wanting it. Somebody pays me $14 million a year to play football. You know, 70s and 80s football in America was if you made the playoffs, you brought all your veterans back. Current football in the NFL for young general managers, if you make the playoffs but don't win a Super Bowl, you move off them and you get younger and better players. So, I mean, like the Rams won 10 games.
Starting point is 00:31:03 last year. They got rid of their quarterback. They were a playoff team. So that to me is how the NFL, that's the smarter teams in the NFL. I mean, the Seahawks for years and years made the playoffs, and they're like, no, we're going to go get Jamal Adams and Carlos Dunlap. I mean, to me, the teams in this league that keep adding pieces, Kansas City's done that. They're going to keep adding pieces. I think old school football was, we made the playoffs, bring our old guys back for another year. I don't think that's the winnings to. Super Bowl formula. You're not going to get better. Okay, now for your favorite story of the day, Baker Mayfield had an experience that he thinks is out of this world. He claimed he and his wife
Starting point is 00:31:43 saw a UFO while they were driving home from dinner last night. He tweeted that they saw a very bright fall of light falling from the sky and asked if anyone saw it too. Now, unlike you, Colin, I am all here for this. Yes. I absolutely love this. I've never personally had a UFO experience. I've watched all the documentaries. Some are a little, little wonky. I fall asleep to aliens almost every night because I think it's fascinating. However, I love to hear it. The only thing I'm disappointed about was there wasn't a video to back it up. That's what I want to see.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Yeah, they're actually, in the last year, I've watched every documentary ever made on it. You're in on it too. Oh, I think it's fun. See. The last documentary I saw was the best one I've ever seen. Which one? Look it up real quick. I think it's called Phenomenon.
Starting point is 00:32:29 And I'm not sure. those are pictures artists renditions of UFOs. They don't quite... Oh, you mean that's not real? That wasn't the real shot. Our radio audience, we've got some frisbys in the air. The phenomenon.
Starting point is 00:32:45 What's that on? Amazon Prime. So the phenomenon, Amazon Prime, for those who have watched anything on aliens, and I think, by the way, most Americans think it's fascinating. That was the best one I've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:33:01 It was an hour and a half And it wasn't nuts and loons and cooks. It was actually they had like a government person. They had legitimate reporters. And somebody from the, if I recall, the Pentagon. So that was the best and most non-abstract. It felt like you were talking to grownups and listening to real information. I saw it.
Starting point is 00:33:23 And you know what? Yeah. No, it's silly to think that there's not other life forms out there. I mean, whether these are, as you mentioned, government testing, different devices, or it is a UFO that you see. I still love to see it. Share it. Just show me some proof. Give me some video. Give me a photo. Come on, Baker. Turn your phone on. I'm here for it.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Alex for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News. We're going to play in Best for Last. The NFL price is right. I'm going to give out contracts to some of the key NFL free agents.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Who would I take? Who would I franchise? Who would I pay? Who would I let go? That's coming up next. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:34:46 Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:35:12 One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:35:39 And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on The Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line.
Starting point is 00:36:23 We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that. sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart
Starting point is 00:36:40 Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests.
Starting point is 00:36:58 I'm talking. Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch.
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Starting point is 00:37:41 Open your free, Our Heart Radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Sometimes driving is great. Sometimes it's not. Lousy weather, getting Michelin Wiper Blades. They hug their windshield like a Michelin Tire hugs the road. Get yours today on Amazon Prime. So we've got some free agents out there. And Alex Curry is going to give me four contract offers for each player. And I will choose what I actually think is the best deal for the player. Okay. So I'm the player.
Starting point is 00:38:13 What's the best deal? Because I do not always believe the best deal is the longest deal. So here we go. All right. Jack Prescott, come on down. You're the next contestant on the price is. right. All right, Dak Prescott, franchise tag projected at 37.7 million, three years at 115 million, four years at 160 million, and eight years at 300 million. Well, Jerry Jones is the general manager,
Starting point is 00:38:43 and Mike McCarthy is the coach. If I take 37.7 million, I've made 68 and a half to 69 million in two years, and then I put myself on the market, and every year the market has eight teams that need a quarterback, And next year, strangely, it's many of the good rosters in the NFL that will need quarterbacks. So I'm Dak Prescott. I take the franchise tag at $37.7 million. James Winston. Come on down. You're the next contestant on the price is right.
Starting point is 00:39:18 One year, $1 million, one year $3 million, two year, $5 million, three year, $10 million. Okay, so James Winston made some good money with his first contract. James is only 27 years old. He's got a lot of tarmac here. He missed just three games and five years with injuries. He doesn't have to worry about that. If I'm James Winston, I want a little security with Sean Payton. I'm going to take two years and $5 million.
Starting point is 00:39:50 I'm not going to take three because I want to hit the market. But I do think you need more than one year is a start. starter. I'm young. I haven't been hurt. I want two years starting with Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. I take a two-year, $5 million deal, not only be a one-off year, but at two years, if I'm productive for two years, I can go back into the big money range. It's not just a one-off. And I also think this year, the roster will not be as good as it will the following year, because they're going to have to peel back on some players. So I would take two years, $5 million for James.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Alan Robinson. Come on down. You're the next contestant on the price is right. All right, Alan Robinson, franchise tag projected at $16.4 million. Two years, $30 million. Three years, $45 million. Four years, $60 million. So this is an easy one for me.
Starting point is 00:40:51 He's a great player. He doesn't want to sign a three or a four. four-year deal because he doesn't know who the Bears quarterback is going to be, right? What if they stick with Foles? But only $16 million is dangerous because he missed the entire 2017 season with an ACL. So I want $30 million guaranteed for two years, and by that time, I want to hit the market. He's a great player. I love him.
Starting point is 00:41:18 But that injury means I'm not going to take the franchise to that. That's not ideally what I'd like. I'd like the 30 million. But I'm not going to give you three years because I think I'm a star. I'm young. I want to hit the open market. So Alan Robinson, take two years 30 million. Chris Godwin.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Come on down. You're the next contestant on the price is right. All right, Chris Godwin. Franchise tag projected at 16.4 million. Two years, 30 million. Three years, 45 million. And four years, 60 million. So Chris Godwin's talented, but he missed several games due to injuries.
Starting point is 00:41:58 They've already got Mike Evans. He's definitely the number two, and at times in the postseason, he felt like the number three. The franchise tag, again, he's worthy of big money. But Tom Brady probably only guaranteed to have two years left. I'll play with Tom for two years at $30 million. then I'm not tying myself to the franchise because Tampa historically butchers the quarterback position. I'm Chris Godwin.
Starting point is 00:42:29 Take two years with Tom 30 million. Hit the market. Yep. Cam Newton. Come on down. You're the next contestant on the price is right. So, Cam, you got one year, one million, one year three million, two year, ten million, four year, 30 million. I'm going to go against the grain here.
Starting point is 00:42:49 So Cam made a lot of money in endorsements, $20, $30 million or more. Cam made a lot of money as a number one pick. Money's not the key here. What Cam wants to do this year is win. Now, he had 12 rushing touchdowns last year, led the NFL. I'm going to do one more year at the cheapest number available, letting Belichick go after a veteran free agent at Tide End and Wide Receiver. I'm going to take $1 million one year.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Remember, the defense comes back. They've got a good draft pick. I'm going to roll the dice. I think I have the best coach in football. I now have a year in the system. I'm going to take cheap money. I've made my money. I made over 50 million in endorsements.
Starting point is 00:43:32 And, you know, Charlotte's not a place where, you know, you can keep a lot of your money there. It's not wildly expensive. I'm going to take the least and the shortest contract and win 11, 12 games, and people will say, you know what? He was a good patriot. He was totally coachable. He was never about. money. I change my brand. That's what I do if I'm Cam.
Starting point is 00:43:54 Aaron Jones, come on down. You're the next contestant on the price is right. So Aaron Jones franchise tag projected at 11.1 million. Two years, 25 million. Three years, 35 million. Four years, 50 million. This one, this is tough because I think Aaron's great. and I wouldn't want to leave, I would not want to leave the Green Bay Packers. I wouldn't want to leave that offensive line. And I wouldn't want to leave Aaron Rogers. Now, the feeling is, basically, that is, if you're a running back, just take the most money you can possibly take.
Starting point is 00:44:37 But I think Aaron Jones is a top two or three running back. So I'm going to take $11 million for one year with Aaron Rogers. remember, what if Aaron gets hurt again and I have Jordan Love and he can't play? Aaron Jones is a guy that's about winning. He wants to win. He's a quality guy. I had a brief injury. My history is not about injuries. I believe I'm a top two or three running back. They don't run me. The Packers have depth at running back. So it's not a situation where he has 35 carries and his career is going to be shortened. I stick with Green Bay for one more year. Let them franchise. tag me. We've been to the NFC
Starting point is 00:45:15 championship. I like being part of winning culture. My games get on TV. People see him a dependable star. But I don't mind hitting the market. I think Aaron Jones has value on the market. I think he's that good. Shaq Barrett. Come on down. You're the next contestant on the price is right.
Starting point is 00:45:35 All right. Shack's franchise tag projected at 19 million, three years, 45 million, four years, 50 million, and five years, 60 million. I'm going to do the franchise tag again. You people think I'm nuts on this. Listen, he's had one great season so
Starting point is 00:45:51 people could say, watch out, but I think two things everybody in this league wants. They want pass rushers and they want quarterbacks. And Tampa's got so many stars they can't give him the most money. I'm going to run it back one more
Starting point is 00:46:07 year, make a ton of money. Be a top fifth highest paid defensive and in the NFL for one more year. Then I'm going to go to the market. Tampa's got so many different players here. I trust my ability. I'm a top five defensive end.
Starting point is 00:46:23 Pay me big lettuce for a year. Run it back with Brady. I'll be on television again 10 times that I hit the market. And now we've got to hit commercials. We're done for today. The herd. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.
Starting point is 00:46:39 Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?
Starting point is 00:46:55 We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.
Starting point is 00:47:13 Others say it's unleashing huge. human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. For 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 is big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a hear. unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it with our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:48:09 Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits. my basketball and college football journey or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw,
Starting point is 00:48:23 unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network
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