The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 03/29/2021 - HOUR 2 - Right and wrong

Episode Date: March 29, 2021

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We're on, I don't know, I'm sure we're on. We'll be on FS1 in an hour. We're on FS2, right? All right. Not my decision. Don't yell at me. America gets very upset. America gets success. By the way, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, brought to you by Jersey Mike's Subs.

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And you can't get into a restaurant. It's crazy time. drinking drinks that they were making up on the fly. Bartenders are just throwing crap together. What was it called again? It was a watermelon mescal paloma. That's tequila? Yes.

A paloma? Yeah. So it was like normally it's made with grapefruit, a lime, but they made with watermelon. I've never heard of this. It's one of my favorite drinks. It's very good. Ryan, you've heard of it? Is this?

It's one of my wife's favorite drinks as well. Yeah. It's delicious. Really? Tequila and what? Well, tequila, grapefruit, lime. Some people make it with a little soda. Wow, that's a lot of sugar.

That's a lot of sugar. It was a lot of sugar. Yes, I had to take a power nap afterwards. A burger and a poloma will definitely wish you to sleep. That is my version of your chicken parm. Go to bed. Eat it. I literally, I tell Ann, I'm ordering.

Anne yells at me now. She goes, no, you're not having chicken parm because you're going to be asleep. Oh, that's 15 minutes after we get home. No chicken farm night. I get one a week now. All right. It's called Colin Wright. Colin wrong. I'm plenty of both, and here we go.

Where Colin was right. Well, Friday during the show, Big J journalism, what do you know? We broke this story. Okay, breaking news. The dolphins are trading their number three pick to the Niners. So Miami goes from 3 to 12, San Francisco 12 to 3. Dolphins also get a bunch of other picks. I am told just now, a source tells me that Miami is going to move back up to number 6.

and trade with Philadelphia, who's got the six pick, and Philly goes back to 12. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I just broke the story. The Eagles just announced they are trading the number six overall pick to the Dolphins for the number 12 pick overall. Uncle Colin did it. All right, whatever. Okay, I was wrong, too. Where Colin was wrong.

I've been a big Jimmy Garoppolo advocate last couple of years, and I'll argue with anybody. that I think he can play. One full season, 13 and 3 and got to a Super Bowl. Outplayed Packer Mahomes first three quarters of that Super Bowl. But the dude can't stay healthy. San Francisco needs to move on. And by moving up to the number three pick, they're drafting a quarterback. And I think you have to consider if he plays well, which I think he will if he's healthy, if he plays well, moving him at the trade deadline where he has trade value because he hasn't shown an ability. Now with 17 games in the NFL, he hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy. I'll argue with anybody he's got talent, but his days in San Francisco are over.

Where Colin was right? Well, I said Zion Williamson in college, I said he's going to walk into the NBA, and by some point in his first season, he's going to be a top 20 player. I think he's now a top 10, and he's only played 67 games this weekend. He had 39 Friday, he had 38 Saturday, and a combined 74% shooting. He is such a relentless physical player that, People are overwhelmed by him. And the other thing is, these young stars, they play so hard early in their career.

You think these veterans want to take a charge on a Friday night from Zion, but he is better than any of his critics thought. And I don't know if I thought he would be this dominant handling the ball. He is an unstoppable force. A weekend where he shot, 74% is amazing. Where Colin was wrong. Well, by the Dolphins trading out of that number three spot, it signals they are sticking with Tua. My concern, of course, being last year off script, when protection eroded, he was awful.

45 passer rating, 45% completion percentage. Now, they did add Will Fuller, which tells you they're sticking with Tua as a speed receiver. And I think at number six, they may go get Kyle Pitts, the tight end. But I do think you have to be able to acknowledge some. truths. And Tua looks like a player to me that a play has to be designed specifically to work a certain way. And if it doesn't, he is limited. I thought they would strongly consider taking a quarterback, but I was wrong. Where Colin was right? Well, Joy and I kind of theorize the McVeigh-Jarid Gough relationship, because it was great until last year. We picked the very game we

thought it went sideways. When McVeigh lost to Kyle Shanahan, his indivision coaching rival, against the backup, I said it's over. Sean McVeigh turned on him that moment. Story came out this weekend. Excellent reporter. Lindsay Theory, breaks a lot of stories. She got it. That was the moment.

At halftime he was furious with Goff. After the game, McVeigh called out Goff. He ripped him to the press, and the relationship never recovered. That was the moment. And I said, when I predicted this, I said, it's not just losing to an indivision team, but it's losing to your coaching rival because you and Shanahan used to coach together

and he's gotten to a Super Bowl more recently than you have and he is beating you with a scrub and you've got Goff. It is a bad look for McVeigh and he's got an ego. He's not going to stand for that and the story is officially out. That was Lindsay Theory reporting it.

That was the moment the relationship officially ended. Where Colin was wrong. The Sam Darnold Slander is getting ridiculous. So Kimberly Martin this weekend I've talked to three NFL GMs about the market for Sam Darnold. What's the most you'd be willing to give up?

I asked. Two said a third pick. One said a late third was a little rich. One GM said a conditional fourth. I mean, give me a break. A conditional fourth. She was, Kimberly was, Kimberly Martin repeatedly told whoever trades for

Donald likely won't pick up his option this spring. So you'd only have a year with him in a new organization and a new system as you're trying to break him of bad habits. Really, he's 23. 23-year-olds can break bad habits. 33-year-old quarterbacks cannot. 23-year-old quarterbacks can break habits. Where Colin was right?

Years ago, everybody was on the Durant's better than LeBron train. And I was like, timeout. Emotionally, LeBron is much more dependable. Physically, I'm not sure KD is dependable. Yeah. According to a story this morning, Steve Nash says, Duran will be out another week. Folks, he hasn't played since mid-February.

It's late March, almost April. Listen, he's a great basketball talent. But emotionally, I've never felt I can quite depend on him. And physically, I can't. So when everybody was, and this was like three and four years ago, everybody was when he was winning with Golden State, it was hard to find LeBron defenders. Katie's better than LeBron.

Stop being a prisoner of the moment. What LeBron gives you emotionally and physically is arguably the greatest thing ever in league history. And I like Durant. I'm a fan of Durant's game. But man, he just doesn't play enough for me. Where Colin was raw. Anthony Edwards, Minnesota is going to win rookie of the year in the NBA,

and I hated before the draft when he said, I actually prefer football. I really like playing football. Such a turnoff for me. I'm thinking to myself, you're disengaged or disinterested already, but you know what? He's averaged 25 a game since the All-Star break. His three-point shooting is massively improved. He's shooting 35% from three.

He's super athletic. That was never the question. But he felt too casual to me. Like, yeah, I'm an athlete. I don't know. I'll see how long I can play. And generally, if you look at the history of the NBA, most stars, frankly, are obsessed. They're like basketball is their life.

It's all they think about, they talk about. They're off-season, and he was very casual about it, and I hated it. But he's going to win rookie of the year now that La Mello Balls hurt. Where Colin was right? Well, I said these Kyle Lowry rumors to the Lakers. I thought this was nuts. He's 35. He struggled historically in the playoffs.

You can do that in Toronto. You can't do it with the Lakers. And he doesn't dominate Eastern Conference point guards. What's he going to do out West against Dame and Steph Curry and everybody? John Morantz. The West is loaded at point guards. Well, the Lakers didn't go and get a guard after all. They went and did the smart thing.

They need a big. And they went and got Andre Drummond, which always made way more sense. Andre Drummond is 27, seven, eight years younger than Kyle Lowry. He's never won a playoff game mostly because he was with a bad organization in Detroit. But I thought those rumors were the idea that you're going to get Kyle Lowry and kind of blow up this Laker roster. just get a big 80s back in like six seven days get a big you're going to be fine and favored to win the west again all right good stuff mark medina stops by on an NBA weekend uh bill raftery who's always a riot on i think i think USC is a tough matchup for gonzaga that game is tomorrow i think uh zags are favored by what

eight, nine points. I think I'd take USC there. I'm not sure money line, but I'd take USC. Gonzag is a great offensive team. They're not, they're going to have to play a slower brand of basketball and not get those gimmies at the rim

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Thursday Friday off. So Wednesday, I'm going and going to hang out with my kids for a few days. They don't want to see this. It's intimidating. I think I'm doing it's going to shave it off. I thought they liked it. I don't know. I don't. Are you blaming it on them? I'm not blaming it. I'm just, I'm over it. I like the facial hair thing. Not that

anybody cares, but I'm just kind of thing. Well, why can't you just shave the mustache down and just keep it like the same level of scruff? That's what I want to do. We'll see if I can get approval from You know, management's very uncomfortable with the... By management, you mean Anne, of course. That's right. Anne is management of my life.

Mark Medina is an NBA writer USA Today. He's covered the Warriors, the Lakers. He is now joining us live. You know, Andre Drummond's one of those guys. You forget, Mark. He's 27. He's right in the middle of his athletic prime. He's a four-time rebounding champ.

It's like, okay, there's always the stigma when you play for a losing team that you're kind of overrated. He's not a number one, but you tell me, how does he fit with the Lakers? It seems like a good get. Oh, it's a tremendous get because the Lakers, ironically, are in a position of a need right now because they don't have LeBron, James, and Anthony Davis.

So by default, Andre Drummond is now their number one guy, and he fills a lot of needs with shoring up their defense, giving them some offensive production and rebounding. But then when LeBron and AD come back, and it's up in the air when that will happen. But when they do come back, he's still going to have a prominent role as their third guy. And, you know, he can compliment Anthony Davis on the defensive end and the rebounding end. He can help, you know, create more space for LeBron to playmate.

So it is a match made in heaven. It gives Drummond a chance to win an NBA championship and while also allowing him to have a substantial role. You know, it's interesting, too, is Frank Vogel's history. He did this with Roy Hibbert. He's good with Biggs. So, I mean, if you look at his history, Vogel prefers Biggs. He likes size. Yeah, and Colin's a great point because you look at last year's championship run.

He tweaked that lineup where he was using Dwight Howard. He was using Javelle McGee as room protectors, but he was also innovative with going small. And so when I think what you're looking at the Lakers this year, I for the most part think that their moves were good because there's more offensive depth. There's more youth. But they took a step back defensively because Montrez-Harrell and Marcus Aal just aren't the same caliber of defenders. that Dwight Howard and Javelle McGee were. So I think that getting someone like Drummond, it taps into some of the strengths they had with last year's squad

and how Frank Vogel was able to manage it. So Lamarcus Aldridge has passed his prime, but he and Blake Griffin, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, James Harden, I kind of look at the east, and I'd be honest with you, Mark, I just, I think it's over. I mean, I know that's a hot take, but I just don't think anybody matches up with them offensively. Colin, I don't think it's a hot take.

I think you're just calling a spade of spade here, where you have so much all-star talent and the separation with the Nets and everyone else in the Eastern Conference is pretty wide. Even when you account for Philadelphia of 76ers, they got Ben Simmons and Joel NB and Milwaukee Bucks. They got Yannis and Chris Middleton. But there's just so much talent.

If there is something to, you know, micro-analyze and nitpick about it, they're not a good defensive team. They're not going to be an elite defensive team. But it's all about, you know, can their offensive production be overwhelmingly enough that it almost doesn't matter. And then the other part is the help. You know, Kevin Durant's still been sidelined for all the success that James Hardin has had so far

with the Nets. The reality is those three players, KD, Kyrie, and Hardin, they've only played seven games together. And so while it is a comforting sign, they've been able to succeed without Kevin in the lineup. You always wonder, okay, is there enough a sample size for them to figure out just on-court dynamics among three stars? When I heard the Kyle Lowry talk, my take is, is AD or LeBron hurt worse than we think?

I mean, do they need a third score now? I mean, if I, AD is going to be back in a couple of weeks. Is the LeBron injury worse than we think? Colin, I wish I could give you an answer. The reality is we don't know. The Lakers haven't really been forthcoming with the information as far as just the timeline and severity of it. But I think you have to have some red flags raised because a high ankle sprain is a lot more serious than your typical ankle sprains. LeBron is at age 36, so you never know, is this a sign of father time coming back?

But if I had a guess, and this is just going off of conventional wisdom, you don't usually bet against LeBron. That's one of the rules in the NBA. So I think that because the Lakers and LeBron are being very cautious and allowing him time to recover, that he will come back. once it's ready. And, you know, the Lakers are fortunate that they're in a good position. It's not like they're going to be missing the playoffs. And the idea of, you know, playing at a lower seed, the importance of it isn't as drastic this year because there isn't as much of a home court advantage with limited to no fans in the building. But you never know. I mean, injuries have a way of making things dicey, especially when you get older.

Well, was there a best acquisition of the week for you in free agency? Yeah, I think the Denver Nuggets were the team that made the biggest success with the trade deadline. Look, who they got, they're not necessarily all-star players, Aaron Gordon and Jabel McGee, but it fits into a larger picture with what the Denver Nuggets are trying to accomplish with being still a relevant team that can compete for an NBA championship. They came off of last year's loss in the Western Conference finals to the Lakers, and the feeling was, okay, yeah, LeBron and AD are really good, but can we have you, in more depth here. And the Nuggets have a good foundation with Nicole Yokic and MVP

candidate, some good young talent and Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Jr. But they need more athleticism. They get that in Javel, another good defender. And they need someone like Aaron Gordon, who's not going to be able to stop a superstar like LeBromo. You need to have some wing presence that can make things difficult for them. So all things consider, I still give the Lakers, the clippers, and the Jazz the Edge over the Nuggets in the Western Conference standings and their chances to get to the finals. But I think the Nuggets are right there in the picture along with the Phoenix Suns. By the way, Mark Medina is joining us. Zion, are you shocked how good he is?

What are your sources say? I'm not shocked at all. I mean, he is one and done for a reason. The sense is he's going to be a generational talent. Now, I know that there are a lot of comparisons made to him and LeBron James. I don't really see that. I don't think a lot of people in the NBA do you see that either because even though, you know, they are physical freaks of nature. They can play make and defend, you know, well, Braun is more of a three, Zion's more of a four of the comparisons that I've gotten about Zion is that he's more of Charles Barkley, Larry Johnson type.

One scout told me last year that he's a more polished version of Julius Randall. But that is just how he is right now. I mean, the upside is tremendous. And, you know, it's a second year in the league. He doesn't have any minutes restrictions unlike last year. And so there is a feeling that he's doing what was expected of being a generational talent. And now the next step moving forward is for him to improve his defense and for the Pelicans have a better roster so that they can start making some playoff runs. Mark Medina, good seeing you, buddy.

Appreciate it as always. Yeah, Colin, great seeing you. And you know what, whether you go with the mustache or ditch it, just do you. Whatever you feel is best for you. That's right. Now I wish Anne thought about it that way. Anne doesn't think about it that way. She wants to do what's best for her.

And if I can accommodate her, that makes for a better household. Mark Medina, appreciate it. I will say this when you watch Zion. Again, I'm a big advocate of having players go play at college basketball for one year and making something of yourself, especially if you have a presence or a big personality. Like Zion just jumps off a television. His game is so unique. Not everybody's like that.

You know, if you're a quiet kid, you may be better off going to Australia. or going to the G League, but Zion is built for Nike. He's built for the television. He's just the personality, the smile, the square jaw. You know, he jumps off a television. But it's funny watching the NCAA tournament. And again, the basketball culture and football culture in America are very different. The NFL culture, the football culture in America is we're going to make you go through

some hardships and we're not going to pay you and you're going to get beat up and we're going to develop you emotionally as much as physically. NBA culture has always been. There's the talent, get him paid. But it's really funny watching Evan Mobley last night. I think he's getting so much value. Like, I would have no idea who he is in the G League. And now I cannot wait to watch him tomorrow night against Gonzaga,

and I can't wait to watch him as a pro. And all you're sacrificing, basically, is six months of income. And by the way, I'm not making any dispersions on college basketball, but my feeling is the best players all, they're getting paid anyway. I don't know who's doing it. but stories come up about what guys so to me the idea of sacrificing six to nine months of income so you can be introduced to me the consumer i am so excited now to see jalen sugs as a pro because i'm not you know i have this now connection with him i'm watching i'm like oh my god this is

really fun so yeah you give up some money you give up your 150 200 thousand dollars in the g league but i still will argue that a lot of people five six seven million a lot of people five six seven million And a lot of people watch college basketball, and it introduces me the consumer to you. And that just, I mean, there's a reason that Zion signed a bigger shoe contract than LeBron. We all knew who he was. And I will forever. The NFL does not see college football as the enemy. They see it as a free marketing platform.

And I do wish basketball sometimes, instead of this insistence to get the guy I paid, they're 19-year-olds. I mean, I couldn't tell you in the history of my life. I'm probably wrong on this. think about the last non-center in the history of basketball that at 19 or 20 had an injury and it derailed their career. Like, never. Now, there's been some Sam Buoys. There's been some, you know, if you're seven feet four, you're not naturally built to last forever. But to me, go play college basketball, get out a big insurance policy.

But I'm watching this college basketball this weekend. And I'm like, oh, I can't wait to watch that kid as a pro. I can't be the only person thinking that. You give up money for six, nine months. Believe me, the second the tournament's over, you've got an agent, you're getting paid, you're getting taken care of. Money's not the issue for these basketball stars. They're prodigies. If you're one of the top seven basketball players in America, you're a prodigy.

You're not a talent, okay? We have a country of $330 million. You're one of the seven best basketball players. That's beyond a prospect. Now, NFL's different. Half the league is undrafted. NBA's different. There's about seven dudes in this country.

Some of yours three. That's a prodigy. That's like there's about three kids in the United States every year at 15 that can go to Harvard. You're no longer a college student. You're a prodigy. So I think college basketball really is. I wish the NBA saw it this way. Just go there for nine months.

Get on TV. Let me fall in love with you. And you'll get paid. Joy with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, sticking with March madness, the PAC 12 continues to shine in the men's NCAA tournaments.

Three teams. from the conference made to the elite eight. Who can even, I don't even understand UCLA. They were bad at the end of the regular season. USC, UCLA and Oregon State are advancing. But even with all the upsets, three number one seeds still remain. Gonzaga, Michigan, and Baylor all won their games by double digits. Three of the four-one seeds have also advanced in the women's tournament.

There haven't been as many upsets in the women's tournament as the men. But six-seed Texas pulled off one of the biggest ones with a nice one over two-seat Maryland and a great game yesterday. They beat Maryland 64-61. Russell Wilson was in attendance at the Stanford game. They beat Missouri State 89-62. His sister Anna plays for them. Yes, she does.

But it was a great, great weekend of games. It's been an awesome tournament, and the Pac-12 have been incredible. It's just, I don't- Once again, Los Angeles, USC and UCLA. Well, it's funny, because UCLA is about five minutes from where we're at. The UCLA story is insane. So they had this great, high school prospect, Deshaun Nix.

Best point guard in the country. I think he was from Vegas. And he signed with UCLA. Then he said, I'm going to go G League. So right before the season, they lose their point guard. Then they lose two of their bigs. One of them, one of their second best player. He's gone.

So they don't really have like a great NBA prospect. And they can struggle at times to get points. And you're watching them yesterday. And you're like, how do you even, how do you describe using? Like, I get USC. They got pros. They got the second, third best player. Like, I get.

The USC story, but UCLA and Oregon State don't even make sense. That's why they call it March Madness. So the Jets have held on to Sam Darnold so far, despite all the talk about them drafting a quarterback. And now we may know why. Kimberly Martin reported that she spoke with three GMs who said they would not be willing to give up more than a third round pick for Darnold. One even said a late third round pick might be a little rich for him. And another one said a third or a conditional fourth. is what they would be willing to give up for Sam Donald.

It's slander. There should be like liable. I mean, this is what they're telling her. A fourth. This really would explain why he hasn't been moved. Because the Jets clearly think much higher of him than a third or a late third or a conditional fourth. But this is what we've been saying. It has to be that the Jets asking price is too high for the league.

And that's why he hasn't been moved yet because obviously they're taking a quarterback and you can't have Sam Darnold and another quarterback on the roster. So are they just like holding out until all the chips fall where they may and then try and get like a second round. I mean. What if they did this? If this is the story, though, they can't possibly be getting more than a second round pick for him. What if you do keep Sam Darnold until the trading deadline?

You got a new coach. You got to get all these picks and you play Sam for seven to eight games and you drive up. You could also risk him getting injured. And then it's really not worth anything. Well, I mean, you're not getting anything other enough. fourth round pick now. Roll the dice. But I mean, to me, I see it's the other side.

If you're Washington, you're not willing to get up a fourth round pick for Sam Darnold? Have you're Pittsburgh? You know what this shows me? Have you the Bears? It's horrible. It's really unbelievable. If that's what the league is willing to give up, like if that's the standard is a third or fourth round pick.

Bad Giams. Jimmy Garoplo was there for the taking for a year in New England. Only San Francisco went and got him. for a second round pick. There's a lot of people sleeping. There's a lot of people fearful. You know, I was driving the other day and I thought about this.

Most people are not willing to take big chances because they don't want to fail and get called out. Now with social media, you really get called out. People don't want to fail. So most people stay in jobs that are comfortable and kind of at some point beneath them because they don't want to take a big risk. A lot of GMs are the same.

They don't want to go and roll the dice on Darnold because it fails. How is the third round pick for Sam? Donald rolling the dice. I don't see. If you're the Chicago Bears, wouldn't you just PR-wise, isn't it a better pitch to make a third round, give a third round pick to the Jets for Sam Donald? And at least then there's like some unknown. There's some mystery.

I can sell Sam Darnold to a locker room. I can say, listen, he's 23. A couple years ago, he had a winning record. Don't blame him for Adam Gase. I could, he had the worst old line in the league and the second worst receiving card. I can sell Sam to a locker room. Hard to sell Andy Dalton at this point to a locker room. QB1.

I don't get it. I don't get it. So Zach Wilson stepped up and delivered during his pro-day. I mean, seriously. I love pro-day videos. He rolled left and threw right. I like pro-day videos. It's fun.

Reps from every team except for the Rams were in attendance to watch his workout, and he had a lot of off-balance passes. Off-balance? Yes. I mean, he was running away from the ghost defenders. Look at this one. He even got a fan of Trevor Lawrence. He tweeted sheesh to one of his throws.

Yes, this was a big deal. By the way, I do think Zach Wilson could be a good pro. I'm not saying he can't be a good pro. He has a beautiful arm. I'm just saying... I think he can put some weight on. So do I. I mean, that's what he's going to need to do.

But I think he has the body type to be able to do it. And once he gets in that NFL weight room and, you know, he's still very young. So he has some time to debate. develop. Urban Meyer also stood in some other draft updates. Urban Meyer told Peter King the Jaguars are heading in the direction of drafting Lawrence first overall. I don't know what that means. They're heading in the direction of drafting Lawrence. Yeah, when I leave my house in the morning, I'm, you know, I'm heading in the direction

of going to work. Also, Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch are going to Mack Jones's pro day tomorrow. They will skip Justin Fields' workout, which is the same day. They're still sending an assistant GM to watch him. I think the 49ers are going with Justin Fields. So I think that's a decoy. I think it's a decoy. I would be shocked if they take Mack Jones at the 3.

I don't. I don't. I don't. Listen, I'm rooting for all of them. I don't want to be a jerk. I'm rooting for all of them. I think you would have a meltdown if they took Mac Jones at 3. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

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God bless you. Early morning, right? It's, you know, I get to, I got Joy is a great, you know, co-host. and that helps. It's always nice to work. You know, you have to endure Jim Nance and Billis and everything. I get to work with a pleasure. That's the difference, Bill.

So there you go. So can USC beat Gonzaga, Bill? Because I look at USC's size, Bill. You're not going to get any freebies. And they're long and USC can slow it down. They're holding these teams to 29 and 35% shooting. I think USC is a tough man. match up for Gonzaga. Do you...

Yeah, I do for... Right. That's what me... Yeah. ...the area about this test. Yeah. Gonzaga, Pac-12, and they're relaxed. I mean, they don't mind the moment any of those kids either.

What do you make of the Pac-12 success? Is it just kind of random this year, Bill? We don't want to make too much of it. What do you make of it? Well, you would have a chance to say anything if you had them on, first of all, you know, in terms of debt, quality team. Every conference has three, four, five, teams that can really play.

And, you know, this is one of those years that this conference is deeper. And I guess the late hours, too, have an influence, you know, back east of life. You know, you're out there in the year that I've had. So, so impressive. Obviously, UCLA on and off, USC on and off. And Washington, a couple of years was really good. A couple of years ago getting to the conferences, you know, a couple of teams might be class or have a bad record.

Maybe we're... You know, it's funny. I talked about, I talked to LeBron. agent the other day, Rich Paul, and I said, I'll argue all day that I think one year in college basketball is better than a year in the G League because I wouldn't know Zion without Duke. And I think March Madness, you're getting seven, eight million people watching these games. I do wonder, though, in the next 10 years, if great high schoolers go to college, they just go to overseas or G League.

Does that concern you? I mean, they're interested. I think it's almost a thousand kids are in the portal right now as we speak. So what that does, Mary and Mike over the year leave. That's right. It's crazy. It's like, you know, which one?

You know, some of the guys are going to be older than me before, you know, between prep school. It's the Wild West right now. It is. Bill Raftery, Fox Sports College basketball. We're running out of time. Say hi to your friends. You do a remarkable work.

I love listening to you. I'm going to go with Gonzag. I think over USC, but gosh, I think it's a nail-biter. And Bill, thanks for coming on the show today. All right, Bill. You know, yesterday, I thought Seth Davis on CBS made a great point about this, is that Joy, he said, listen, if you fire your coach now, you used to be able to fire your coach, you get a new coach in. He goes, but if you fire your coach and your staff now, 70 of your players will transfer out into the portal. You'll have to start from zero.

You'll have no players left. So be very careful about running your college coach out because he won 18 games, not 20. As Bill said, the transfer portal now is where elite college is. recruit from. It's not high school because you need sophomores and juniors to win this thing. And I wonder if Kentucky starts to go to that instead of the great high school player. And it's just funny. Like if you fire your coach now, six kids enter the portal. If I was an athletic director, boy, I'd have to think. You'd have to be a mess, like unsolvable issues.

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