The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 03/31/2021 - HOUR 3 - NFL, Zion

Episode Date: March 31, 2021

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I was just talking him during the break. He works out with all these players. So he was the one that a year ago said Justin Herbert is unbelievable. And he kept saying it before the draft. He's like, I'm telling you, ankles, hips, shoulders. This guy throws huge, huge velocity. He can run. So TJ was like, Justin Herbert is going to blow you guys away.

I think he loved Chase Claypool, too. Chase Claypool, the receiver for the Steelers. So we bring in T.J. Hushman Zada. 11 years in the NFL. So you were just giving me some insight into Zach Wilson that I did not know, the quarterback from BYU. So give me the insight that I didn't know this about him as an athlete. Oh, Zach is a tremendous athlete.

I'm talking, put him on a basketball court, windmill dunks. If he had run the 40, I pretty much would guarantee. he would probably run mid to low 4-4 at the worst. And just throwing a ball, and I told you this during the break, it's almost like he was born to be a quarterback. The way the ball comes out of his hands is so easy, real effortless. And from his pro day, he kind of showed some of that. Like, this is just easy for me, man.

I was born to do this. And I saw that on the field. Easy. You just some have said he's got kind of an Aaron Rogers feel, where the ball just kind of squirts out. Does anybody he remind you of? It's pretty much what you said. It's a flick of the wrist.

And a lot of these guys, they grew up idolizing Aaron Rogers. So they're going to mimic what they've seen Aaron Rogers do. And so when you watch Zach Wilson, the way he gets rid of the ball, off platform throws, and just the way the ball releases, it kind of is reminiscent of an Aaron Rogers. But rightfully so, these kids grew up looking up to him, wanting to be like him, wanting to play like him. And so that's what you see. And you just add your own little twist to it.

You also have seen and worked out with Justin Field, who at his pro day yesterday and blew people away. Tell me about what you've seen when you've worked out with him. What impresses you? I was very impressed. I walked away like, wow, Justin Fields is really good. And I'll go back to a few routes that my guys were running at. He was throwing.

And John Beck was telling him there's no underneath coverage. It's 20-yard comeback. He's on the far hash. No underneath coverage. Perfect ball on a rope right there. Next throw. We have a guy underneath it. He layered it, got the ball over the top,

through it with great touch, perfect throw. But it was a different type of throw, but both throws were perfect. So I walked away, and yeah, it's routes on there, and there's nobody, but it's receivers he's never really thrown to before. And the touch was there. And I walked away from that because I know he has a big arm. I know he's athletic, but being able to put touch on the ball,

layer the ball, get it. Over underneath coverage, those are probably things people didn't think he could do. What do you make of these pro days? We're showing video. Did you have one? What do you make of them? Oh, everybody has a pro day. I'll be honest.

When you think about a pro day, I actually like a pro day. And I'll give you a couple reasons why. Number one, if you're serious about your craft, you should improve a ton. From the time your college season ends until your pro day, a lot of times, that's three months, that's 12 weeks of getting better physically and mentally, understanding the game better. If I go to a pro day and I'm a coach and I feel a guy hasn't improved, I don't want that kid because he's taking this opportunity for granted. I know the guys that I work with from the first day until they're a pro day. They're a different player. They're not the same player that you

watched on tape. So everybody, oh, I'm just going to evaluate tape. That's not the right thing to do because these kids are going to improve physically and mentally. And so pro days, if you get with the right group of guys that know what they're doing, that's going to train you the right way, you're going to improve a ton. You know the Cincinnati organization well. They're not very daring. The Brown family's conservative. They don't screw around in the draft.

They just sit and make their pick. They don't make deals. And I look at them at five. So they're not going to take a quarterback. But they could get a Jamar Chase. wide receiver. They could go offensive tackle. What is your, knowing them and Joe Burrow, what is your gut feeling on what that organization does with that fifth pick?

That is a, that's a tough question, Colin. And I'm a firm believer. Obviously, we all know that I was a receiver. So people would assume, oh, we got to draft Jamar Chase, especially after he runs a 438 jumps 41 inches in the vertical and he shows that type of explosiveness. but I understand the game of football. Games are won and lost up front. If you can't run the ball when you want to run the ball,

if you can't protect the quarterback when you need to protect the quarterback and vice versa, if you can't stop the run. And so I say that to say, if I'm the Bengals and Joe is coming off an ACL tier, you have to draft the lineman. You have to keep him upright. You need to protect him. It's not the sexy pick. But if you draft the right offensive lineman,

They're going to play together 10 years. You don't have to worry about that position for 10 years. You can turn around and draft a wide receiver in a second round. Maybe a Ron Dale Moore, who I believe probably will go in the first round. But if he doesn't, the Bengals would be very lucky to get a guy like him in the second round. So draft an offensive lineman because that's where games are going to be won and loss. Yeah, by the way, the Bengals also have a great pick in round. Second, two, three, four, five.

That's a good thing about being bad. You get a great pick in every round, not just. the first. You're picking at the top of the round. Every time. So they're going to get, you know, two of your first, you know, like 37, 38 picks. When you look at the Niners, so I'll throw you something. So they move up to number three. Well, you don't move up there for anything other than a quarterback. So I figure they've got one or two guys they really like. They may not have the guy. My gut is they got one or two guys. You know, if Zach Wilson fall, they probably like Zach Wilson and Justin Fields. They may just say, hey, we prefer one, but we'd,

like both. Trey Lans, I don't know. Or do you believe when you move to three, they have one guy they love. There's one quarterback they're going to get. When I first saw the trade, the first thing

went to my mind was, oh, their draft is Zach Wilson. Robert Sala, he comes from San Francisco. He's now the New York Jets head coach. And John Lynch is, oh, we don't know what they're going to do. Yes, you do. In my opinion on it was, they've told them

we're probably going to draft the lineman, which obviously would leave San Francisco with the third pick outside of Trevor Lawrence going to one. You can have your pick of the litter from quarterbacks. The 49ers are going to take Zach Wilson. That was my initial reaction. And then you see Zach Wilson's pro day and he's this can't miss prospect and you have to draft him. So now I start second guessing myself what I initially thought and say, okay, maybe the Jets will take Zach Wilson. And now if you see Justin Fields pro, they say, oh, 49 is if you have to take Justin Fields, that's not a bad consolation prize.

And so all these quarterbacks, you go back to 2018 when Baker Mayfield goes one and Sam Darnold goes three. And then you have Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, and then Lamar Jackson, the guys that get to the better teams, the better organizations are going to be the guys that have the best career. And so if I'm a quarterback, I want to go to, I'm doing all I can to get to Kyle Shanahan and the San Francisco for 49ers because I believe I'm going to have success with them. You know, it's interesting. So if you draft a quarterback with Jimmy Garapolo, do you think you could go to Garapolo and say, listen, we're drafting somebody because of your injuries. We're going to draft a quarterback. We cannot have Nick Mullins quarterbacking. And Jimmy, if you're great, you can make the call.

You want to stay with us or we can trade you at the deadline. And if the backup's ready to go, how do you make sure that Garoppel? isn't a mess. Brady freaked out when Garoppolo is there. How do you make sure Garoppolo is not a mess emotionally when you draft a quarterback third? What could you, what could you say to him?

I mean, you just have to be very transparent. And I firmly believe that. I had one coach, my entire career position coach, and that was Hugh Jackson. He was very transparent with all of us. Like, call it, no lie. He literally sat us down one day and said, these five guys are making the team.

I was not part of the five. There's one spot left and there was like seven guys in that room. One of you guys are going to get that spot. And I just stood up and was like, well, y'all out of luck. Because this spot going to me. And I like that transparency. It put pressure on you. And so if I'm Kyle Shanahan and I'm just up front with Jimmy, you've been hurt.

We can't rely on you. We wish we could, but we have to protect the 49ers. if you show that you can stay healthy, you put us in a tough situation. And if not, this is why we're drafting a quarterback. Don't sugarcoat it. Don't, don't cuddle him.

You've got to be honest with him and transparency. He should know this. If your feelings are hurt, oh, well, you have to stay healthy because when healthy, you've done well. But you just haven't been healthy long enough. You have to be honest with him so he knows what he's getting himself into.

Finally, you're a wide receiver in the NFL for 11 years of all the wide receiver prospects. One you love, one you think is overrated. Where do you land on them? Well, I really like Jamar Chase. You just look at the season that he had two years ago with Joe Boyle as a quarterback. And you look at what Justin Jefferson did in the league. And that's justin Jefferson was the number two receiver on that LSU team that year. And so that's the obvious choice would be Jamar Chase. But it's two guys that I really like. They're both small guys. But I believe that's where the NFL is Now is Rondell Moore from Purdue and Elijah Moore from Old Miss.

Both of those dudes are separation machines. And when you can create separation the way they do, you're just not going to cover them. You can't cover neither one at all. They're smaller. But they are quick. They are fast. And they are quarterback's best friend. Not a big radius and target to throw the ball, but they're going to create a ton of

separation and make it real comfortable for a quarterback to throw them the ball. knows his stuff T.J. Hushman Zata. Got a new podcast up on game. Check it out. Good seeing you, buddy. I appreciate it. Take care, Colin. You too, Joy. Thank you guys. You bet.

What's up, everyone? It's me, three-time NFL All-Pro Sean Mariner. And I have a new sports podcast called The Lights Out Podcast with Sean Mariner. This podcast is special to me as I get a chance to talk to some of the best who've ever done it on the field or the track. So whether it's talking to a Super Bowl champion

or a NASCAR Cup Series champion, the Lights Out podcast will bring it to you the only way I know how to. I'm giving you the best insight from the best who's ever done it. Listen to Lights Out with Sean Merriman on the IHeart Radio app or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full. year. Within probably 10 days I'd put on 10 pounds, I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple

Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care where I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing

something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush

didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the look back. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack on day, but yeah, yeah, literally. But just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking. Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So the Lakers and Dennis Schroeder are far apart on a contract extension. The team reportedly offered him a max extension of four years and $84 million, but he rejected it. That's a lot of money for Dennis Schroeder. That is a lot of money. Schueter has said he wants to be a Laker, but he also wants to see what his options are on the market,

and this sets him up to be a free agent this summer. This reports from Brian Winhorse. Now, the details about the guaranteed money and incentives of the deal are not known. So while this could have been the offer, we don't know how much of that money was guaranteed from the Lakers. So that could be why he rejected it. And he reportedly rejected it about a month ago. And then he was obviously included in a trade offer for Kyle Lowry, which would make sense if he was going to hit free agency next year. So they would get nothing for him.

And then they'd be in kind of a weird cap situation with him as well if this did play out. So I don't, you know, I don't think that the Lakers are looking too much into the future. Dennis Schroeder has been a nice piece for them. So I think they want to keep some continuity. But, you know, obviously the main focus for the Lakers right now is getting 80 and LeBron back healthy and being healthy for the playoffs. Shooter's a tough guy. He can give you 18 a night. He's a great third scoring option.

I like him. You know, it just comes down. This is the situation where I wonder if you're LeBron, where you're making $70 million a year on shoes. And I'm not here to tell people to take pay cuts. You start looking around at what Brady's doing at 43. And a lot of it is he's just taking no money. And I do look at it and I think this is where I think if LeBron, because LeBron's no longer just stacking cash.

He's way beyond that. Well, he has taken pay cuts in the past as well. They all took less money to play together in Miami. I think I would take a pay cut and get, I would want more players. I think Schrooter, you can't trust 80 for over about 50 games. LeBron's getting older. I think you need two more players. I think Schrooter's one piece.

I think you need another good player. So Carson Wentz is getting a fresh start with the Colts after a rough ending with the Eagles. His quarterback coach in Philly, Press Taylor, is now an assistant with the Colts. Taylor said the team approached him before trading Wentz, and he didn't hesitate in recommending that Indy make the move. He said that was a no-brainer for me. I absolutely believe in Carson Wentz as a player. Overall, I think this was the best move for the Colts and the best move for Carson Wentz. He was 3-8-1 as a starter last year, but you do have to factor in that it was a really rough season for Philadelphia.

They did bring in Jalen Hertz, which was kind of unexplainable if they were going to stick with Carson Wentz. I just, I think I'm 50-50 on how it all plays out because I think a lot of what happened with Carson Wentz was mental. And while the Colts are a great situation, he's back with Frank Wright. They have a great offensive line. they have some good pieces there, they're solid organization. You can still be met with adversity. You can still have a couple key injuries late in the season.

You can still have things go badly. And as we've seen with Carson Wentz, he doesn't handle adversity particularly well. And none of the adversity that he dealt with in Philadelphia was really that far out of the box. Like everyone, every player in the league deals with what he dealt with in Philadelphia at some point. Now, you can talk about how rough the Philadelphia media is or the Philadelphia fans are and their expectations, and you're not probably going to have to deal with that in Indianapolis.

But it didn't work for you in Philadelphia, and now you're in a situation where it should work. So he could still get some criticism and how does that all play out? Yeah, I mean, I think it's a much less chaotic organization. I think it's a friendlier, more joyful organization, and I do think he gets a massive upgrade on the O-Line. Yes. So I think he's going to work. The degree in which he works is the question. He'll work.

It's just they'll win games. It's just because they're going to, Frank Reich will have him, you know, what he'll have him do is go back to the offense, which is the one he's comfortable in, safer throws. You know, a lot of times in Philadelphia, you were asking him to make tough throws and their receivers got no separation. Where in Indianapolis, you have Paris Campbell's a bolt of lightning and Michael Pittman. and T.Y. Hilton, you have guys that can separate, especially T.Y. and Paris.

So I just think he's going to have easier throws to make and more time to make them. And so I think he'll succeed, the level of which I have no idea yet. Well, that's kind of my question. What are the expectations? What is the level of expectations for Carson? If I said Carson Wentz did 28 touchdowns and 13 picks, passer rating was 94.8, completion percentage, 64. I'd be like, I'm happy. But how do they do as a team?

11, 12, 17 games now, 12 and 5. I mean, again, and they win a playoff game? Oh, absolutely. Can you see Carson Wentz leading the Colts to a Super Bowl? Yeah. I can say this. I can see him leading them to the conference championship,

and if you're good enough to get there, you're generally good enough to get to a Super Bowl. So Bruce Ariens showed off his Super Bowl tattoo yesterday, and Tom Brady had some fun with a tattoo of his own. He tweeted a picture with the image of Bruce Ariens holding a beer during the Super Bowl boat parade Photoshopped onto his knee He wrote, it looks great, coach, I decided to get one too

This is obviously not real And a really interesting placement for a tattoo in general But I guess like they needed to fit the Photoshop in there That's a really, that looks like a really painful place to get a tattoo A lot of bone and nerves in that area But I like the Tom Brady is having fun He's actually very good on Twitter He is good on Twitter

He is using social media the right way It's just a different version of Tom overall It really is a gift to To sports fans that we're getting to see this version of Tom Brady I like it In New England and The Patriot Way And pretty much hated for most of his time there

And now he's at this like Fun organization with Bruce Ariens Drinking Bud Lights Which I don't think is Bruce Ariens Normal drink of choice No Yeah I think he said he had a have a few pops because they were on the boat. It's easier to drink beers on a boat than it is a

cocktail. Tampa is a, I lived there for two years. It is a loose town. Yeah, I would say, yeah, it's definitely more loose than Ebor City, off at four. The Boston area. It's just a lot of sun. It's not, people aren't manic about their work. I mean, Tampa's a place people move. Cost of living's good. Yeah, relax, get a nice little house, go to the beach, have some cocktails, right around the boat. Boston is a place academically work, hedge funds, MIT. Boston, you wake up, it's intense. It's an intense city.

Tampa's very laid back. In what it is, it's San Diego, not as expensive. It's just, you don't move to San Diego to be a grinder. Or dominate the world. But that's naturally who Tom Brady is. That's why I think it's such an interesting fit. And when you look at how it all worked, it makes sense. because he brings that attitude to a place that is more relaxed,

and it kind of all fit perfectly, especially at this point in his career. Good stuff, Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Antonio Daniels is not happy with me, because I suggested Zion may be better served four years with the Pelicans and just get out of there.

Don't take the Supermax. Don't take that max. Every player's always done it, but there's going to be a player that's not going to do it. And I think Zion could be the first because he's going to make so much shoe money, but he doesn't need that. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. What's up, everyone?

It's me three-time NFL All-Pro Sean Mariner. And I have a new sports podcast called The Lights Out Podcast with Sean Mariner. This podcast is special to me as I get a chance to talk to some of the best who've ever done it on the field or the track. So whether it's talking to a Super Bowl champion or a NASCAR, Cup Series champion. The Lights Out podcast will bring it to you the only way I know how to. I'm giving you the best insight from the best who's ever done it. Listen to Lights Out with Sean Merriman on the IHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds, I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross

double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down,

and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and

conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking. Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't

know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross. Because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth. Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really

be a good person. Join me, Kear Games, is we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free, our Heart Radio app, search Learn the Hardway, and listen now. He played for almost a decade and a half at a high level. Antonio Daniels has become a great broadcaster. I bring him on five, six times a year. He's now with the Pelicans and Zion. And a couple days ago, I suggested that Zion's made so much money in endorsements. He's so likable, so dynamic as a kid, that he's not going to need to necessarily resign with the first team that drafted him.

Now, every player always has because it's the max money. You can make tens of millions of dollars. When I suggested with his injury history, he may just want to go move to a winning team, be a piece, make his money with shoes. Antonio Daniels, a broadcaster for the team, not in love with that comment now joins me live. I don't know. I thought it was a reasonable comment.

You did not. You did not think it was reasonable. Why? Here's my question. Why are we even talking about a young man that is yet to play 70 games going to play elsewhere? First and foremost,

because he's playing in New Orleans. That's why we're talking about this. If he was playing somewhere else, if he is playing in L.A. or if he is playing in New York, we would not be having this conversation. And when we talk about him in the future going to play somewhere else, what we are forgetting is what David Griffin and Trace and Langdon have put together here now as far as the future is concerned.

I'll tell you this, Colin. I just had a one-on-one with Zion about 20 minutes ago. And one of the things he said was the same thing that Lonzo Ball said. So when you talk about Kyra Lewis being 19 years old and Jackson Hayes being 20 and Zion being 20 and Lonzo Ball and Brandon Ingram, who's an all-star, and Josh Hart, who's 26 years old. So when you talk about that as far as the future is concerned, why are we talking about going to play elsewhere like the future for the New Orleans Pelicans right now isn't a Brightmoor?

Well, there's still a game and a half out of a playing game. So I think there's some frustration that they're talented, but veterans win in this league, they're young kids, and they're years away. I mean, I look at them and I think they're fun, but they're not a title contender for years. Is that fair? Of course, that's fair. Because, again, we're talking about a Zion Williamson that's yet to play 70 games. And what we're doing is we are throwing expectations on youth and inexperience that they don't deserve yet.

This team shouldn't be talking about titles right now. They should be talking about development right now, which is exactly what David Griffin is doing. He is putting together a young team organically with good drafts, drafting to kill Alexander Walker, drafting Kyra Lewis, drafting Jackson Hayes, Zion Williamson, and then getting the Brandon Ingrams, the Josh Harts, and Alonzo Balls in the AD deal. So no, you shouldn't be talking about a championship right now. But realistically, how many teams in this league are talking about a championship right now? This is not their championship window.

This is a time for them to grow together, to learn together. and to lose to a certain extent. But let's see if we're having this same discussion three or four years down the line when these guys are more experienced. Okay, so let's say they don't make the playoffs this year. And then next year, they don't take a big leap and they're a one and dunner. When do you, Antonio Daniels, get impatient and go, okay, we've got to make a move here or Zion's going to consider leaving us?

Okay, so now here's the thing, Colin. Just as hypothetical as you can say, what if they don't make the playoffs this year? year and what if they don't make the leap next year? What if they do make the playoffs this year and they do make the playoffs next year? That's the question I'll ask you. Then I think Zion's going to be really happy. But that puts a lot of pressure because he is so great and so well compensated in endorsements that there is the sense that he doesn't, you know, one of these young players

is eventually not going to sign with their team that drafted him. Somebody's going to do it because the money is now so great. don't you think there is a little institutional pressure that by next year if they're not winning to maybe make a deal to get Ws? Well, I mean, the thing is, you can say that amongst all the young teams in this league. So when we talk about why isn't this guy playing in a bigger market, why didn't you say, well, what about John Morant? We're not talking about him going to play.

But I don't think John Morant is a face of a league player. I think John Morant is great. Zion means the face of the league. Okay. And why can't he be that face of the league here in New Orleans? You just said it. So if we look at bigger markets, so to speak, right? If we look at bigger markets, you just said it.

He has a 2K sponsorship. He has a Gatorade endorsement. He has a Brand Jordan endorsement. And this team, meaning the Pelicans, is second as far as national TV games are concerned. One game behind the Lakers. So what is there to offer that he's not getting here right now is my question? Well, wins. That's it.

Wins. I worry that there's 20. Well, he's 20 years old, Colin, and he's only played in 68 games. If we're talking about winning now, there are a lot of teams out there that you can say, oh, well, you know what, maybe this guy or maybe that guy. We are talking about a young man that is 20 years old and has played in 68, career games in three different stints. So last year, remember, when he first started playing, he was under a minute's restriction, then March 11 came, the season was postponed. Okay,

then you go to the bubble. Then he has to leave the bubble for a family emergency. Then he comes back. Now we start this season of. Remember, it's amazing to me how much the narrative around this young man has changed. Remember last year when everybody's like, oh, you know what, he's overhyped, or why are they playing on national TV all the time? Or maybe he's not. all about the hype. And now the narrative has changed to, oh, well, maybe this young man is special. And the moment that people start to figure out what we have talked about from day one to training camp, that he is one of one in the history of the sport, now we want to say, oh, let's move into a bigger market. That's not fair to the fan base of New Orleans or Zion

Williamson and his teammates. That's why I'm so passionate about this team. What is he like as a kid? What is he like as a person? Fantastic. Fantastic. And that's the thing. So last year when he was going through all the scrutiny about being injured and about this and about that, if people understood the young man and the heart that he has, the humbleness that he came into this league with and that he still possess it today, and the interview I had with him earlier today, it was all smiles, it was all laughs.

He's incredibly humble. And he is a joyful young man to be around. He's fantastic. Some people say he should be your one and Brandon Ingram should. be the two. Do you worry about that dynamic? I don't. I don't. Because the thing is, they'll figure it out. There are some nights where B.I. will be forced to close. There are other nights because of Zion's skill set and his ability to dominate in so many facets of the game. He'll be the closer. Again, it's interesting when

you're in this kind of market, how narratives are thrown out there to try and splinter this team apart. Oh, who's the number one and who's the number two? You know what? They will. figure it out without our help. By the way, I did release my list yesterday if my guys have it in graphics. I said, if you asked me the five guys in a five-year window to start a franchise with, I picked Zion over Luca because I think there's a merchandising angle. I also think he gets your best Biggs in foul trouble. I think Luca may be the better pure score, but I think the efficiency, his physical dynamic, he fouls out your bigs. He's a merchandiser's dream. He's a merchandiser's dream. Leuka Zion.

I mean, do you worry all about the... We've got a minute left. Only thing I worry about is injuries. Do you ever get worried about that? I don't. Right now, I'm not at that point because he hasn't given me a reason to. Earlier last week, he put up 77 points

and 72 minutes on back-to-back nights. And again, so with shooting 65, 67% from the field. So I get the thought process around some of this, but what we're seeing with the startup of this NBA season, there is no minutes restriction. People used to hold that against him. He hasn't been injured. People used to hold that against him.

He's playing in back to backs. People used to hold that against him. What he's doing is he's blowing through everything that everybody used to throw against him. And you know what he's doing? He's doing it quietly. He's doing it humbly without saying a word. He is humbly dominating this league right now, and he is truly a blessing to cover.

I like your passion. You're really good today. I like that. You know, I figured out the key to you is to tick you off. If I tick you off, I'll bring you on. You got a long motor. You know, I was told, Colin, keep bringing your passion. That's how you're going to make your mark.

That's all I know. And I tell you one thing I'm a passionate about. I am passionate about this New Orleans Pelicans basketball team and this awesome fan base. Good seeing you, buddy. Love your work. Antonio Daniels. Appreciate you, brother. He is passionate.

I love him. He's just funny. He gets right after it. Yeah, I tell you, that's the one thing about Zion, man. His efficiency is like nothing like it. Unbelievable. He's one of one. There's nothing like it.

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