The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/01/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: April 1, 2021

With Colin off, Doug Gottlieb fills in and reacts to some BREAKING NEWS: Legendary head coach for North Carolina Roy Williams has retired. He discusses the reports about top quarterback prospect Justin Fields and why he might be falling down draft boards. Plus, new Marquette head coach Shaka Smart joins the show to talk about his decision to leave Texas.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Colin Cowherd on Fox Sports Radio what up welcome in this is the herd wherever you may be in however you may be making this part of your day thanks so much I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd Woohoo cowherd on vacation Gottlieb in and

hey look what fell up on my desk college hoops to talk about. You know my least favorite mock holidays, right? April Fool's Day. Is there anything dumber on earth

than an April fool's joke? Like, listen, this is my take on last night I got the offer from my son. He's like, dad, dad, movie theaters are open. Godzilla King Kong.

Let's go! He was like Tom Brady. Let's go! And one of my daughter's grace says, Lizard versus the ape, no thank you. It's like, wow, you're kind of like,

and we're just, we were hard selling her. We're like, look, movie theaters haven't been open in a year. You know, you guys like the Meg, which is a similar, like really hard to believe thriller, but, you know, it's a blockbuster type film.

I'm sure it's a good watch. You know, as long as you, you have to, you have to disconnect from reality, right? If you disconnect from reality, it's like, no, I'll watch the Transformers, but I won't watch, because that has some sort of a reality as opposed to King Kong versus Godzilla. Anyway, we're like, you know, get back in the movie theaters, movie theater popcorn.

She's just like, that sounds like a super spreader event. I was like, really? We do have one major league baseball game, which has been, what, postponed, canceled, whatever, because of COVID. We do have a ton of other stories to get to. Lance Zerline's going to join us upcoming in 20 minutes. He's got his newest mock draft out. Brandon Whedon's going to join us. Nick Swisher, who makes coffee nervous, is going to join us, talk about Major League Baseball,

and Shaka Smart, who left Texas to take the Marquette job. Texas, by the way, is reportedly going to hire Chris Beard, who once upon a time was at Texas as a student and as a, I think his manager or whatever under Tom Penner's back in the day. So he leaves Texas Tech The buyout went down today to $4 million It's only $4 million to Texas, right? And remember they didn't have to pay Shaka Smart to leave So whatever, it works.

Chris Beard moves on it. We got a lot to talk about with some college basketball. I will point out though, in regards to April Fool's, this is a lot like we had this discussion with my kids last night. I don't like horror movies. I will never pay money to see a horror movie, something that terrifies me. I have enough things that bring me to fear in my normal life.

I don't need to pay money for somebody to scare the crap out of me. No thanks. The same works with April fools. It prays upon, one, the idea of believing people, of being gullible. Do you know they took the word gullible out of the dictionary? Really? Yeah. But two, it prays upon fear.

I won't do it. So everything that we are going to talk about and report about and decipher today, we believe is 100% real. But I do not like April fools because I don't get the idea of playing up on somebody's emotions or somebody's ability to believe you. Right? Like you've earned all this equity with being believable. Now you're just going to throw it out the window because it's April 1st. I don't get that one. Sorry.

That's just me. Yeah, that's right. I'm an anti-April Fool's joke sort of guy. pro Halloween love Halloween pro Thanksgiving love Thanksgiving um

Valentine's I could take it or leave it I mean part of it was when I was a kid everybody had to get a Valentine's card right and I'll never forget I got one that says I love dog there's a you or maybe not I don't know

but definitely anti April Fool's jokes not an April Fool's joke And when it came down, this is the problem with April Fool's. It's like, Roy Williams going to retire. April Falls. Come on. No, no.

They're going to have a press conference. Like, I see. He's going to retire. April Falls. No, no, no, no. Roy Williams is a 903 wins. He's had knee surgeries. He's lost his best friend.

He's had his own episodes with Vertico. The college landscape is changing. It's not fun for Carolina to have to recruit out of the transfer portal like That's just not how they roll, right? This is not how they roll in Tobacco Hill. They go out and go like, hey, we want, we want one, two, three, you guys come. The college sport is becoming really, really hard because everything is changing. Not just with the Supreme Court thing yesterday, but the G League select deal, the transfer portal.

The whole thing is a mess. And Roy Williams is like, you know, I'm good. So here's what I can do that no other radio hosts can do. you ready for it? I can tell you what he was really like to be recruited sort of by, to play against, to experience as a broadcaster. How you should actually recall Roy Williams,

who did it by anyone's account, an amazing job at North Carolina, right? I mean, they won, what, three national championships, which of course put him ahead of his mentor, Dean Smith. Here's the guy uniquely never played. Wasn't a basketball player. He's a manager in college became, you know, an assistant worked his way up the chain.

It was a high school coach for like a year. It was basically a manager became assistant coach. And like this, his path, I don't believe, will ever be repeated. He went from being an assistant coach at North Carolina, one of if not the preeminent program in the country at the time to the head coach at Kansas. I mean, think about that for a second now. Think about that for a second now. If imagine, just imagine for a second, I mean, Texas is open.

Do you think they would have hired an assistant coach who had never coach before? North Carolina is open. Do you think they'd hired an assistant coach who has never been a head coach before? Who has never, didn't play? and he won. I mean, he's what, one losing season, and that was not this year, last year at North Carolina. He won 80% of his games at Kansas,

and people were still on like, well, you know, you win a national title. Like, bro, he won 80% of his games. Then he goes to Carolina, and he wins 75% of his games and three national titles. You want to know the crazy part? Not really a great game coach. Not really a great game coach.

Not a bad, like they won because they had great players. They played fast, you know, and he, he wasn't, wouldn't brow beat him about defense early and they would get progressively better. So he never lost his team. What happens in basketball, especially college basketball, is you lose a guy here or there mentally and emotionally because they get in the dog house or whatever. He played a lot of guys oftentimes, so he wouldn't lose his team mentally emotionally once they got to February into March. But in terms of actual game coach, you know, his most talented team in Kansas, they lost to Rhode Island. And it's, we played, we, I played against them when they had Rafe LaFrance and Paul Pierce. And this is the story I tell everybody all the time.

Now, I played for the late Eddie Sutton, who's now in the Hall of Fame, going to be inducted this year into the Naith Smith Memorial Hall of Fame. And he had an immense amount of respect for Roy Williams. Like you are not allowed to say a bad word about Coach Williams or Kansas basketball as long as you were in Stillwater, Oklahoma State. He had, he believed he did the right way. He was a gentleman. His teams played hard. They played clean. He had, but 1998, they had Rafe of the Friends and Paul Pierce, two of the five best players in America.

And they were playing us the last game of the regular season. and we had won the Big 12 South, but only played them once, and that was the last game of the year, and they had won the Big 12 North going away. They were the best team in the league. The North was softer than the South was, but they had won the league going away. So we played them the last game of the year,

and I'd never forget, my coach walks in, and I'd never played against the Roy Williams team, but the reason I knew everything about Coach Williams was, if you grew up in Southern California, there was always a California kid on that team. On that team, there always was. you know, Scott Pollard, I think only one year in San Diego, but Scott Pollard and Paul Pierce and Adonis Jordan

and you name Eric Chenoweth. They were, and what he would do was, what he was famous for, he was the best head coach recruiter in the country for a major university. Mike Shoshchewski wouldn't do this. Bob Knight wouldn't do it at the time. You know, Jim Herrick was, they were great recruiters,

but not he would he would whatever you would do with practice i think they'd practice early he'd get on a plane he'd fly out and whoever he was recruiting he'd sit at midcourt or whoever he was recruiting and just sit there and watch and take notes and so you knew he was there he was he recruited you himself and so i i one summer i play with paul pierce and who's he here for he's here for paul and he got his guy but so here's the one kind of flaw to do it i mean they didn't really change much over the last 30 years, like the play calls. Everything is almost the exact same. A couple of twists. But I never forget this. Eddie Sutton walked in. He goes, man, Kansas is coming in here tomorrow. They're better than you. Eight, ten,

twelve. When they got LaFrance and Pierce, they're eight, ten, twelve points better than you. And we're like, what the, this is not the motivational speech I thought we were getting. It's on A-B-B-S, right? Now, listen, here's the thing. I've been doing this a long time. The one thing about Coach Williams, we respect him a lot. He's going to take him out now at the same time. And when he does, we're better than him.

Maybe only four points, but we're better than him. So the next day, and you can go track this, I didn't start because of a senior day. so my man Tommy Warner got to start. He wasn't very good. Then I came in and I was all hyped up to play Kansas and I wasn't very good. We get down like, you know, 12, 2 to start the game 14. 2 call time out.

We're playing. We're down 8, 10, 12 points. All of a sudden, you see these two gazelles go trotting off the court together. And everybody on our team collectively looks at Coach Sutton like, this man is a god. He foresaw the future. How did he know?

And you know what happened when those two superstar college players future lottery picks went off the court. We were actually probably a little bit better than them. So we lost by four points, I think. I think of four points of the final. Here's the respect we had for Coach Williamson. My senior year, we beat them by 33 points. It was his worst loss ever at Kansas.

I think at the time, he had one worse, one of his great years of Carolina. They had one stinker against Florida State. I think they lost by 34. But Coach Sutton had such respect for him that we were just, they were young. Heinrich and Collison were freshmen and we were really good and really old and we kicked the crap out of him. He was like, hey, slow down. I got to go up there next year and get a whooping from Roy, all right?

But people ask me all the time, like, what was the best win you had in college? I was like, easy. Kansas by 33 or 19 a week later, we beat the same team. Why? Because it was Kansas. They were the preeminent team in our league. They were coached by an incredible coach who ran. incredible system and had great players.

Like, look, it was Carolina. We went to Carolina. They got Argyle. They got Jordan. They got Jordan brand. They got the cool colors and the cool shoes. And they had a coach that let them play. Like this, it is a wrap. And now it's a changing of the guard of an era in college basketball. What you should remember about Roy Williams, unbelievable, unbelievable, magnanimous personality, getting along with people in recruiting.

played a great and likable and fun style. Won another national championship. And L. lost one on a Chris Jenkins three, right? But one another. And I think in 2012 when Kentucky won, people forget Kendall Marshall got hurt. I think Carolina would have won that one. The guy was unbelievable what he did.

There are no perfect people. I don't think he was the greatest game coach in the world, but that doesn't a bad coach him make. Right? That's it. I understand. It sounds like bad English, but it's actually how it's supposed to go. It's like our own kind of dive into Shakespearean sort of thing. Anyway, who's the next head coach?

Oh, good luck. Wes Miller's like the only Carolina guy in the pipeline who's kicking butt at UNC Greensboro. Maybe Hubert Davis is one of the kindest human beings on Earth who's been there for like a decade. But I don't know if he wants to be the next head coach or do they go out of the family. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays, noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. What's up, everyone? It's me three-time NFL All-Pro Sean Mariner, and I have a new sports podcast called The Lights Out Podcast with Sean Mariner. This podcast is special to me as I get a chance

to talk to some of the best who've ever done it on the field or the track. So whether it's talking to a Super Bowl champion or a NASCAR Cup Series champion, the Lights Out podcast will bring it to you the only way I know how to. I'm giving you the best, insight for the best we've ever done it. Listen to Lights Out with Sean Merriman or the IHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only

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put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clivert Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need. to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

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we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app, search Learn the Hardway, and listen now. Dan Orlovsky, who's a friend and a former quarterback in the NFL, he was on one of those shows over there, and he said, or I think he was on with Pat McAfee, and he said that people who knew Justin Fields and he made sure to separate himself. This is not me reporting it. It's me reporting what other people told me was Justin Fields is a last guy in, first guy out sort of guy. Not his opinion, but what he's been told, right? That he is a, that there have been some

questions about his work ethic. And then of course, Orlovsky as, as, look, he does this all the time where he goes and he provides film and says, hey, Justin Fields actually does go through his progressions. And he defends Justin Fields' work ethic, or at least his play, not knowing what really goes on in terms of work ethic. So look, here's the first thing that's going to happen. And I think it's already happened in some places where

because Justin Fields happens to be black, that if you're critical of him in any way, it's a, well, there's racial connotations to his work ethic. No, there's not. No, there's not. This may make some of my friends and colleagues, and I know one gentleman who works with us, who I like a great deal, but this is his default. And this will go to, like, no, it's not.

How many times is Colin into this exact same mic called out the focus of Baker Mayfield? It's Baker, white, or black. Okay. Tim Tebow was not a smart quarterback who did not go to. through his progressions. There was a massive reach to draft him in the first round. Johnny Mansell, what derailed him? Now look, there have been black quarterbacks that haven't been,

Mike Vic, by his own admissions, wasn't a film study guy when he was in Philadelphia. He just wasn't. It's the most important position in the sport. The entire offense is designed around it. And, like, look, there were stories about this with Dwayne Haskins. and it irritated the coaching staff to a point where they set him free here before the year ever ended. The nature of the position, you are the face of a franchise. And so all of this background stuff is valid, is accurate, is like you're establishing.

It's why it's the real reason why you need three years in college. Because one year in college and most of these coaches can spot a fraud. they know which guys are really about it or not. But you can hide some of it. Three years, you can't hide from who you really are. You just can't. So, yeah, when I see him run a 4-4 yesterday, and I watched him playing the national semi-final game,

like, this dude is legit. Why wouldn't he be right? Like, I'm looking at where the league is going. How, Kyle Shanan, how could you possibly not go to his pro day, instead go to Mac Jones's pro day. And then I think back. And I think, okay, so Kyle Shanahan once upon a time was the offensive coordinator in Washington, and RG3 was his quarterback.

And though RG3 was a rookie of the year and he got hurt, remember he got hurt? Well, he thought he was hurt anyway and then he tore his ACL. But the big thing with RG3 was they couldn't play him in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Kyle Shanahan's offense has been successful with Matt Ryan, who doesn't have a great arm, right? Not a great athlete, but good enough and deadly accurate and smart as I'll get out, right? Kirk Cousins, Matt Schaub, right?

So you try and evaluate not just based upon who's super talented, but whose talent fits what has led you to be successful in the past. and so it would stand to reason. Do I think the third pick for Mack Jones as opposed to for Justin Fields? Like Justin Fields looks like what I would suspect a quarterback is supposed to look like for the next 20 years. He's young, he's crazy athletic, he's got a good arm. It's not like he's a convert to the position. Like he was the number one recruit when he went to Georgia.

Then he goes to Ohio State. And as soon as he got on the field to Ohio State, like he was legit. freak. What could possibly, like, this is good insight. But what we'll do is it'll be the messenger, it'll be somebody who's hating, it'll be whatever. When this is all information

that every one of these NFL teams has. And if it's not true, then they know, and they're going to draft them anyway. No team makes an evaluation based upon something that's said on TV. It just doesn't happen. You know, we were going to trade up, but then Orlovsky

presented us with some information. Yeah, no. No matter how much, and I love Dan, and Dan's his football IQ, he's forgotten more about the position than I'll ever know. But those guys in those front offices, they've done their due diligence. And if there's some work ethic issues,

oh, they know it. You know? Jimmy Haslam is literally the only guy listening to homeless people on the street. That landed him Johnny Mansell instead of a Teddy Bridgewater. How'd that work out for him? So I do have some concerns over Justin Fields' work ethic because that has to be one of the primary explanations for why he wouldn't be viewed as an elite quarterback at the level of a Zach Wilson.

Or how a Matt Jones, who looks like just a dude athletically, could be placed ahead of him. Be sure to catch live editions of The HARD weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. What's up, everyone. It's me, three-time NFL All-Pro Sean Marriam. And I have a new sports podcast called The Lights Out Podcast with Sean Mariner. This podcast is special to me as I get a chance to talk to some of the best who've ever done it on the field or the track. So whether it's talking to a Super Bowl champion or a NASCAR Cup Series champion, the Lights Out podcast will bring it to you the only way I know how to.

I'm giving you the best insight from the best who's ever done it. Listen to Lights Out with Sean Merriman on the IHeart Radio app. or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,

embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.

Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.

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this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or we're you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode,

with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field

and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses.

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fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, I Heart Radio app, search Learn the Hardway, and listen now. So Lindsay said this about Drew Locke,

because a lot of people are wondering like, hmm, Denver was in on the Deshawn Watson thing. Denver seems to be still at least in some sort of orbit, if you will, over what's going to happen in New York with Sam Donald. And oh, yeah, by the way, they could be, you know, maybe in the market to draft a quarterback. Why? Like, there's the Drew Locke.

Drewlock is cool. He dances to hip hop. He must be cool. He's got, I believe he's got what the kids like to call swag. He is lit. He wears his hat backwards. But here's the, you cannot fool players. Okay.

We can, we can fool all of you. Well, the coach says. said, do you think they're going to tell you the truth? Right? I mean, look, Dan Orlovsky always said was Justin Fields' last guy in, first one out. That's what he's been told. He's like, oh, you're the worst human being on earth. Okay, I'm just relaying what people actually told me that I trust, that I respect.

Anyway, Philip Lindsay, of course, it's a good, you know, Dan Patrick does this all the time. Does this exit interviews, you know, somebody leaves the leader, and he, does an interview with him. And you know, everybody's kind of that scorned lover, if you will. So Lindsay was on Sirius XM NFL radio. Drew holds his own future. Things have been set in place for him to be successful. He has to take advantage of it. He needs to continue to develop. That's on him. He's in a battle between him and him. Nobody else. What does that mean? Is he in his own head? I don't think that's what it means. I think if he would have said, if he's in his own head, he would have said, hey, he's in his own head.

He's limited himself. He should have confidence in himself. But what you're reading from Philip Lindsay is things have been set in place for him to be successful. Look, dude, we have a good team. We have good wide receivers. We have good running backs. We have good line. We have good play calling. He has to take advantage of it.

In other words, he hasn't. He needs to continue to develop. He's not there. That's on him. If you can't see all the handwriting on the walls over Denver, if you can't, you're not fooling Philip Lindsay. You're not fooling him. If you're battling yourself, you're not winning over your locker room.

You're not winning over your running back. That's as light of a normal and very honest critique as you're possibly going to find. But in two years in the NFL, if you're still battling, your own self, battling your own ego in order to make it. You know, your reputation is well established. So this is more than a guess. This is with a little bit of knowledge. Like Denver's going to have a different quarterback next year.

Because, and this is, this is a little bit like we've talked, I talked about this with Colin with Baker Mayfield. And the difference, you remember when, when Josh Rosen was coming out? And so here's what, here's what I taught. told Colin that a couple of NFL people told me. Like, look, we went to Josh's high school, went to his college and his coaches and teammates and whatever. And there wasn't one guy who was like, that's my dog.

That's my ride or die. That's my guy. Baker Mayfield has flaws. He's not that big. He's not that athletic. He's got a sizable ego. He trolls. You know, I'm sure he Twitter searches his name all the time.

Okay. Good arm, not great arm. He's a smart. He's a very smart. but let's not act like he's some savant, right? He's just, he's not as, he's not as sharp as some of these guys. He's really good.

He's played a lot of football and he's fine. But here's the thing that Baker Mayfield has. You go to Oklahoma and you ask guys about Baker Meilfrey. You're like, that's my guy right there. You know? You go to the Cleveland Browns and that's my guy right there. I do anything for Baker. I do anything for Baker.

That's the difference. That's, these quarterbacks, they all have it. If you've ever sat with a really, really good politician, you ever sat with a really good politician? You can be completely opposed to many of their policies. Right. Like, you can be anti whatever that, but you, if you sit with them,

you may not walk away agreeing with their policies, but you'll walk away going like, I really like that guy. I hate where he stands in that one thing. Right? But God, I can't help but like that guy. You sit down with these quarterbacks and you're like, I love him.

You're my favorite. I love him. You sit down with Cam Newton. Like that's the whole, you're like, I like, I like Cam, I can't say anything bad about Cam Newton. Hell, Deshawn Watson, like the hard thing for all these stories out of Houston is I haven't ever. anybody in the NFL that ever had a bad interaction with Deshawn Watson.

Not his college coach. Not his college coach. Not his NFL coaches. None of them are like, you know, he's secretly not a good guy. No, none of them. None of them. And by the way, this is not them saying Drew Locke is a bad guy. But NFL players want to win games. They want somebody who has gotten over themselves,

who understands what it takes to win, knows how to do it. and Philip Lindsay crushed him without having to crush him. The handwriting's on the wall there. Denver wasn't just mentioned in the Deshawn Watson story because Deshawn thought Denver was set at quarterback. Everybody knows they're looking for somebody who's not into themselves as much, into winning football games,

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He's shock us smart. Marquette had. basketball coach joining us in the herd. Shaka, how are you? I'm great. How are you, Doug? Great to talk to you. Likewise. All right, first and most important thing, okay? You kind of shocked the world with growing out your hair this year. I have not seen you in a couple of days.

What is the current status of your hair? Current status is I saw a barber for the first time and, I don't know, probably 20-some years the other day, but he just gave me a little trim. So I still have most of my hair. Yeah, so you're keeping it, right? Like, I think you keep it. You look, I mean, it's a, if I had hair like that, I would never, I would never cut my hair. Definitely never shave it off.

I don't shave my hair up now because I don't think it'll grow back. Yeah, it's kind of day-to-day. My wife and daughter love to just continually make fun of me. So I don't think they'll let me cut it right now, but I'm certainly more comfortable just cutting it all off. Okay, so how would you, if somebody who say, hey, Shaka, what was your experience like at Texas? What would your answer be? Experience was around some terrific people.

And, you know, it's obviously an unbelievable place. Really enjoyed, you know, the guys that we had on the court. There was lots of twists and turns. We had some really terrific moments and big, big wins. And then we had some heartbreakers, you know, probably the most. extreme thing we went through was Andrew Jones, you know, getting leukemia and then recovering from leukemia, which is just incredible. But it was, I learned so much and, you know, we're able to form some some terrific relationships and hopefully that all makes me a better

coach. Yeah, you mentioned that, like, it's always the cruelness of this tournament, right? Like, you, you won the Big 12 tournament championship, then you lose to, Abilene Christian. So all anybody remembers is the Abilene Christian. They don't remember like, hey, just a week ago, we were Big Ten tournament champions. How do you process that? I mean, it's really a roller coaster.

And I think this year, even more so because of COVID, you know, looking back on it, I wish I would have known a little bit more about kind of what we were getting ourselves into with the bubble in Indianapolis. You know, we knew to some extent, but it was an interesting thing. And I also think, Doug, I don't know how you feel about this. When you win your conference tournament, there's certainly some good momentum that you're feeling, but sometimes I can work against you a little bit in the NCAA tournament. I've seen that work both ways.

So, yeah, it was tough and, you know, certainly a disappointing way to end. Okay. Why leave and take the Marquette? job. Everybody wants to ask the same question I'll ask you. Well, there's just certain things here that for me are a better fit. You know, I never want to go into disparaging any other place or anything like that. But I think just for me personally, you know, just made all this sense in the world and for my family. One, it's, this is, you know, a basketball crazy place, as you know, You know, the history here, the program, this is the school in a lot of ways.

You know, basketball is a big part of what makes it go. Number two, it's smaller. It's not, you know, as just a gigantic state university. And again, I think because of that size, you're able to specialize a little bit more on exactly what you need to do to support your job. and then number three, you know, I got a sense right away that, you know, this is, there was great alignment here from the president on down in terms of, you know, what it, what it takes to be a high-level basketball program. Yeah, I mean, the story going around college basketball is, like, top, top five, top three,

maybe even in basketball, in basketball budget? Is that accurate? Well, I don't know what everyone else has. but all I can tell you is my experience here in being here for less than a week is that, you know, the support is incredible and it's, you know, the default answer is, well, let's find a way, you know, to make that happen. So, you know, you really appreciate that. But more than, even more than the financial part is just the approach that, hey, let's get this done. Let's work together on it. and how can I help.

Shaka Smart, new head coach, and Marquette, joining us. Doug Gottliebunner for Collins is The Hurt on Foxport Trader, the IHeart Radio app. Why didn't it work in the NCAA tournament when it works so well at VCU? Same reason as anyone else. I think, you know, sometimes there's good fortune, and sometimes there's plays that don't go your way. The games that we lost, let's see. Like, look, if you just take the Abilene Christian, you guys block a shot, if you secure the rebound or don't foul,

you win the game. You win the game. There's a bunch of things that go, and if you win that game, we've seen it with UCLA, right? You win the first game. Now a sudden, like, your kids relax, you start to play. Absolutely. And we've had, Doug, and again, I'm not complaining because we were really fortunate,

it, although we won most of those games by a pretty good margin when we went to the Final Four, but, you know, it takes good fortune to get to the Final Four, and then sometimes it doesn't work out your way. We literally, you know, the game before that, same situation we're up to down the stretch against Nevada, I thought I got called on Mo. The game before that, Northern Iowa made a 50-foot shot to beat us in overtime. So it happens. And, you know, I think it, the less, lesson is for your team and we always my little brother wrote a poem about this when we were kids

it just it pays to win by 11 because that kind of stuff doesn't you know those plays you know you can't really point to them if it's an 11 point win. I like that it pays to win by 11 pays to win by 11 was there when you

when you took the job was there any I need to sleep on this like you're at Texas you know you're a year away from a new arena They weren't firing you, right? So what was, did, how hard was it to ultimately walk in and tell Chris Delcante, I'm going to take this job? It really wasn't hard to make the decision to take the job for the reasons I mentioned. It also, as you know, I mean, there's other family or situational factors that either make it time or not time.

and in this case, you know, a lot of those factors just kind of lined up for it to be time. You know, Matt Coleman was a senior point guard for us at Texas, you know, in a lot of ways, a lot like a son or a younger brother. Had he been a junior or underclassman, you know, there's certain special players like that that, you know, you feel certainly aligned with or connected with. But, yeah, it really at the end of the day was a slam-dunk decision for my family and I. What is it like to do what UCLA is doing, which only you guys had done before? Go from the first four to the final four.

Well, you know, it's interesting because I watched their first four game very closely, not that I was looking past our first round game, but if we were able to win the first round game, we could potentially play one of those teams. And by that point, if you remember, by that point in a week, everyone was so starved for basketball because, you know,

selection show was on a Sunday and that game was on a Thursday. And those of us that were in the bubble were literally stuck in a hotel 24 hours a day. So just for that game to come on TV, it was like, you know, awesome. So, you know, they did a phenomenal job just kind of weathering the storms of that Michigan State game and hanging in there.

And, you know, they flat out won the game because they were the more connected team. You know, they kind of stayed connected. And then they had two players that really played with incredible confidence and, you know, had career-type games in that game. and obviously it played well since. So once you get rolling, you know, you get that first one under your belt, and then next one's a pretty good match-up, and you get that one. It's similar to what happened with us, and it's exciting for those guys.

Last thing. Are you bringing back the havoc? I think that, number one, the game's changed to some extent. Unfortunately, the adjustments in officiating, I think, have hurt pressing to some extent. I think if you talk to Bob Luggins or other coaches that have pressed in the past, they would tell you the same thing. The cylinder rule is a nemesis of any type of trap, especially out on the floor, because the refs love to call that.

It's kind of a little bit of an out for them. So I don't know that 40 minutes of pressing makes sense, particularly in a top five league where the guards are on most nights' going to be really, really good. But to be honest with you, havoc for us at VCU, it was so much more about our mentality and the approach we took than necessarily what exact, you know, defense we were in. And we did press on pretty much every possession. So that was a big part of it. But I think we turned teams over more in the half court than we did in the full court. But defensively, the goal is to stop the other team, you know, not in a lot.

necessarily to turn them over. And so actually, some of our teams at Texas were better on defense than some of the VCU teams. Well, listen, I thought there were plenty of fouls in that ACU game. We could talk about probably off air you'd like to, you'd like to vet in regards to officiating. But we vote havoc and we vote for the hair. At least we get one or two. Shaka, thanks so much for joining us. Hey, thank you, man.

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