The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/01/2021 - HOUR 2 - Broncos, Giants, Watson

Episode Date: April 1, 2021

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You know, you're always looking for like little breadcrumbs, morsels of the truth. And it's really hard to say what you really feel or what you really know when it's a negative about somebody or something. just because the backlash is swift. Philip Lindsay's a guy. And like, look, he's a, he's a guy who is kind of, he's sort of a Swiss Army knife, but not really. Like, he can't really, he's not really an every down guy.

He's got to help you on special teams. You know, he's a hard fit. Like, he's not, like, Austin Echler, he is big enough and strong enough and good enough to be relatively in every, down guy. Philip Lindsay isn't. So Philip Lindsay goes from undrafted to now out of work in Denver. You're like, wait, I don't get it. He's just not a, he's a, he's a nice piece, but he's not a main cog. Anyway. So Lindsay said this about Drew Locke, because a lot of people are wondering,

like, Denver was in on the Deshawn Watson thing. Denver seems to be still at least in some sort of orbit, if you will, over what's going to happen in New York with Sam Donald. And oh yeah, by the way, they could be, you know, maybe in the market to draft a quarterback. Why? Like, there's the Drew Locke. Drewlock is cool. He dances to hip hop. He must be cool.

He's got, I believe he's got what the kids like to call swag. He is lit. He wears his hat backwards. But here's the, you cannot fool players. Okay. We can, we can fool all of you. Well, the coach said, do you think they're going to tell you the truth? Right?

I mean, look, Dan Orlovsky always said was Justin Fields last guy in, first one out. That's what he's been told. He's like, oh, you're the worst human being on earth. Okay, I'm just relaying what people actually told me that I trust, that I respect. Anyway, Philip Lindsay, of course, it's a good time. You know, Dan Patrick does this all the time. Does this exit interviews, you know, somebody leaves the leader, and he does an interview with him.

And, you know, everybody's kind of that scorned lover, if you will. So Lindsay was on Sirius XM NFL radio. Drew holds his own future. Things have been set in place for him to be successful. He has to take advantage of it. He needs to continue to develop. That's on him. He's in a battle between him and him.

nobody else. What does that mean? Is he in his own head? I don't think that's what it means. I think if he would have said, if he's in his own head, he would have said, hey, he's in his own head.

He's limited himself. He should have confidence in himself. But what you're reading from, from Philip Lindsay is things have been set in place for him to be successful. Look, dude, we have a good team. We have good wide receiver.

We have good running backs, with a good line, we have good play calling. He has to take advantage of it. In other words, he hasn't. He needs to continue to develop. He's not there. That's on him. If you can't see all the handwriting on the walls over Denver, if you can't, you're not fooling Philip Lindsay.

You're not fooling him. If you're battling yourself, you're not winning over your locker room. You're not winning over your running back. That's as light of a normal and very honest critique as you're possibly going to find. But in two years in the NFL, if you're still battling your own self, battling your own ego in order to make it, you know, your reputation is well established. So this is more than a guess. This is with a little bit of knowledge. Like Denver's going to have a different quarterback next year.

because and this is this is a little bit like we we've talked I talked about this with Colin with Baker Mayfield and the difference you remember when when Josh Rosen was coming out and so here's what here's what I told Colin that a couple of NFL people told me like look we went to Josh's high school went to his college and his coaches teammates and whatever and there wasn't one guy who was like that's my dog that's my ride or die that's my that's my guy Baker Mayfield has flaws He's not that big He's not that athletic

He's got a sizable ego He trolls You know I'm sure he Twitter searches his name All the time Okay good arm Not great arm He's a smart He's very smart

But let's not act like he's some savant Right He's just he's not as As sharp as some of these guys He's really good He's played a lot of football And he's fine But here's the thing that Baker Mayfield has

You go to Oklahoma And you ask guys about Baker Mill, you're like, that's my guy right there. You know? You go to the Cleveland Browns and that's my guy right there. I do anything for Baker. I do anything for Baker.

That's the difference. These quarterbacks, they all have it. If you've ever sat with a really, really good politician, you ever sat with a really good politician? You can be completely opposed to many, you can be completely

opposed to many, of their policies. Right. Like, you can be anti whatever that, but you, if you sit with them, you may not walk away

agreeing with their policies, but you'll walk away going like, you know, I really like that guy. I just, I hate where he stands on that one thing, right?

That's, but God, I can't help but like the guy. You sit down with these quarterbacks and you're like, I love him. You're my favorite.

I love him. You sit, you sit down with Cam Newton. Like that's the whole, you like, I like, I like Cam, I, I can't say anything bad about Cam Newton. Hell, Deshaun Watson, like the hard thing for all these stories out of Houston is, I haven't ever found anybody in the NFL that ever had a bad interaction with Deshawn Watson. Not his college coach, not his teammates, not his high school coach, not his NFL coaches.

None of them are like, you know, he's secretly not a good guy. No, none of them. None of them. and by the way, this is not them saying Drew Locke is a bad guy, but NFL players want to win games. They want somebody who has gotten over themselves, who understands what it takes to win, knows how to do it, and Philip Lindsay crushed him without having to crush him.

The handwriting's on the wall there. Denver wasn't just mentioned in the Deshawn Watson story because Deshawn thought Denver was set at quarterback. everybody knows they're looking for somebody who's not into themselves as much into winning football games doesn't have to still develop can take advantage of all the weapons they have

that's what that criticism means all right coming up next Brandon we know join us I'll ask him about Drewlock asking him about Drewlock and then I want to ask him about the Justin Fields I got to ask him about Mac Jones.

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We've been talking about quarterbacks and no one knows better about playing quarterback in the NFL and various systems and styles than our next guest. He's Brad Weidon, who's the first round pick of the Cleveland Browns. He started for them. He started for the Cowboys, started for the Texans, play for the Titans as well. He joins us in the herd on Fox Sports Radio.

Let me ask you this. Let's start with Kyle Shanahan. We all, like his offense is kind of taken over the NFL and he's trying to find the perfect fit for his offense. What makes it as easily as you can explain it to people who relatively know sports, but we don't know it to your level. What makes his offense and his style specific and different?

You know, first and form, you know, he's a big outside zone running team. He likes to, you know, get the ball on the perimeter, you know, set the edge, do the things with the tight ends and double team blocks on the edge to run the outside zone. And then, in my opinion, one of the better schemes as far as play action off of it. He's really good at, you know, hardball fakes and, you know, stay in the pocket, you know, bootlegs. You look at drop-in-quarterbacks he's had in the past. He tries to get them on the move.

So a lot of it's kind of a violation for the, especially in particular, the linebackers that are trying to fill those gaps and play over the top for the run. And then you're able to come off of that and throw deep crossing routes and stuff, you know, behind, you know, over their head and behind their head, you know, just to kind of get them flat-footed, get them working a lot of scrimmage. And in my opinion, Kyle's been great at it for a long time, you know, kind of that Kubiak, you know, philosophy. speed and they obviously have coached together

and you know with Shanahan's dad you know for years too so that's just kind of what they do they're a big zone running team and they just dress it up with motions and you know they have a great fullback you know that that obviously gives them a weapon coming out of the backfield as well

so they've got personnel but they're just a they're kind of an offense that wants to get you to have those eye violations that linebacker and then take advantage of it but you know kind of again, hitting those deep crossing routes behind them. Okay, so when I look at between Kubiak and him,

when they were together and him by himself, he's had great success with Matt Shobb, right? They were good with Shob in Houston, with Matt Ryan in Atlanta, with Kirk Cousins in Washington. But, you know, like part of it is there's lots of boots and play action. So Mac Jones has not seen as particularly good athlete or nearly to the level of Justin Fields, who's a great athlete with a big arm,

which in your mind would be a better fit for how Kyle Shanahan likes to play? I mean, if you're asking right now, I think, you know, between the two guys, I'd have to say, Mac Jones, just kind of coming from what he did in college. You know, they did a little bit more of that, especially, you know, a couple years prior.

But, you know, I don't know that you necessarily have to be a great athlete. I think, you know, the one thing that's nice about running outside zone, stretch zone, and play action off of it, is, you know, one, you slow down the pass rush because everybody's got to play the run and kind of fill their gaps as, you know, as a defensive line, then the linebackers obviously can't fill and do their things. So you're not really avoiding, it's not like dropping straight back and avoiding a pass rush and having to step up in the pocket to do those things. It's, it kind of, again, gives you that distance between the line of scrimmage where, you know, one, you can do a hard play action and still look over the top. course, and I think Mac Jones, in my opinion, has done maybe a little bit more of that.

I mean, Justin Fields is obviously an unbelievable athlete, you know, brings a lot of different, you know, variables to the table at the quarterback position that you really can't teach. But, you know, I think if I had to pick between the two, I'd say right now, I would probably, I'd probably arrow on the side of Mac Jones. I just think he gives you that more prototypical style of play, and he's used to throwing those deep crossing routes that, you know, guys like Kyle Shaneham like to do. Okay, if their plan, though, is the Kansas City plan, right, where you bring in a guy, and again, I don't know if this is going to end up, but what they're trying to tell people is, hey, our plan's a Kansas City plan. We got Garoppolo for one more year, and we develop a guy behind him, and then ultimately we find another home for Garapolo and our guys had a year in the NFL to prepare. Would that change your opinion of, all right, well, Justin Fields has more upside? Give him a year to learn that offense, and that's the way I'd go. I don't know that it would change.

In my opinion, I think that's a perfect plan. I think every team should do that if they have the ability to. You know, I think coming as a rookie, there's, you know, it's one that's a long year. You finish a bowl game. You've got all the stuff leading up to, you know, the draft and all the other stuff to the summer. It's just kind of a whirlwind. So I think if you can, you know, let a quarterback kind of get his feet underneath him, kind of get in a routine, watch how the starter prepares,

kind of understand what it takes from a Monday to Saturday to get ready to go play on a Sunday. Just kind of all the grind of what the NFL is, especially at the quarterback position. You know, regardless of who the quarterback is, I mean, you know, Andrew Luck was the first pick, my draft class. He was ready. I mean, he was ready to go play and, you know, he played pretty well as his rookie year. But, you know, I don't think it really changes between those two guys. I don't really think it changes. I think if they can go to a spot where they can sit for a year,

I think it benefits both of them. I think it benefits all these guys. I mean, Trevor Lawrence isn't going to have that ability. He's going to come in and be a starter day one. But, you know, guys like that, if you have a guy like Jimmy Garoppolo that, you know, has shown he can play and had a pretty good career, yeah, I'd sit that guy as long as I could, at least for a year, and kind of let him learn.

But, you know, I think both those guys are going to be good players in the league that both are obviously a little bit different skill sets, both have, you know, pretty good arms. Obviously, you know, fields can run and do those things athletically that Matt can't. But, you know, it just all depends on the system they go to. I mean, that's 90% of the battle for a lot of these quarterbacks that are coming out of draft. All right. Let me ask you about pro days. What do you remember about yours?

It all happened pretty fast. I was one of those guys that like to go fast. I didn't take a whole lot of breaks in there. I got lucky. I had Josh Cooper and Justin Blackman, and I had two or three running backs. So I had a full gamut of guys of throw to. There was a bunch of guys there. I met with the Broncos the night before John Elway, and Fox was there.

I'm trying to think who else. I think Adam Gates was the offensive coordinator at the time. And he went to dinner the night before. That was actually the night Elway got up. I was sitting next to Elway. He got up and took a phone call. And come to find out that was the night that they ended up getting paid. Hayton Manning. So it was pretty much a lost cause after that once they did that. But there's a bunch of coaches there. We had, obviously, we had Blackmun as well, which ended up being the fourth overall pick. So a lot of excitement. It's one of those things that I was pretty excited once it was finally on, you know, over and done with.

Okay. So did you, did you think you threw the ball well? Like, you know, you watched some of these guys. You know, Mack over threw some guys. Justin Fields supposedly like a perfect pro day. You got, Zach Wilson with the throw, you know, rolling to his left, dropping a dime to his right. Did you actually throw it well? I did. I threw it great. I mean, you know, I was always my deal with it. They're in the combine. I'm everybody's like, you're going to throw them? Yeah, that's my strongest skill set.

It's really all I can do. I can't run. I can't, I'm not the most athletic. So, yeah, I'm going to throw. I mean, that's my chance to show it off. And I did. I threw it great. I think I had one ball on the ground.

I think I missed on a deep corner, kind of threw it over at a bad angle. Other than that, I mean, I don't remember many balls on the ground. I mean, I haven't thrown a football in two weeks right now, and I guarantee I could go out and do a pro day. I mean, it's pretty, that's the time to show off. It's easy. I mean, it's routes on air of defense. You've been working on these whatever, 40, 45 throws for a month or so. But, I mean, I just had a big lunch, and I guarantee I could go out on the field right now and throw 40, 45 balls and not many balls be put on the ground.

I mean, that's the way it's supposed to be. You know, they want the balls off the ground. So, yeah, I think it's cool. I think, you know, there's a lot of hype, you know, about some of the throws they make in pro days, which, you know, kind of a slow time in football right now. But at the end of day, man, just turn on tape and can you play or can you not? But, you know, it's just one of those things.

Just part of the process. You've got to do it, and it is what it is. Brandon Whedon joining us in the Doug Gottlieb show here. Sorry, Brandon, we joined us in the herd. I'm filling in for Colin. Doug Gottliebting for Colin. Okay, so what? what is it like, though, to be Garapolo?

I'm trying to remember how it ended in Cleveland for you. When, you know, like, look, they trade up to three. They're like, oh, he welcomes competition. Sure he does. Yes, everybody loves a number three overall pick quarterback. So you can be a starting, what is that like to be kind of dead man walking within the building? Yeah, I mean, I haven't been in that exact situation.

I can't imagine it's a whole lot of fun. I mean, pretty much regardless of how it was. you go out and play, you know, chances are you're not going to be there anymore, you know, and the way the NFL works. I mean, it's just kind of a what have you done for me lately league. So, yeah, I can't believe he's not, you know, a little ticked off and probably got a little chip on his shoulder. But, you know, the way he's got to look at it is, look, okay, somebody, they're going to draft a guy at three, whatever. I'm going to go out.

I'm going to play as well as I can because you're playing for at that point. You're almost playing for the other 31 teams, even though not every team needs, obviously, a starter. But you're auditioning essentially to stay in the league and hopefully be a starter somewhere else. And, you know, that's, I mean, I guess that's really the only way to approach it because, I mean, it's, you know, the writing on the wall, it's inevitable. But, you know, the guy that they just drafted third overall is going to be the guy. So it's got to suck. You know, I really wouldn't wish it upon anybody just because of all the chatter, all the questions he's going to have to answer. answer and all the hoop

ball that comes with it. But, you know, just got to make the best of them, just go out and play and, you know, treat it kind of treat it like a pro date. Treat it like you're auditioning for these other teams because that's really the reality of the whole deal. When you hear Orlovsky

went on, I think, McAfee's podcast and said, hey, this is not me telling them, but people I know have said that Fields is the last one in, first guy out, sort of guy. When you hear that, my reaction is usually like, you can't fool players, can't fool those guys. They really, really know. But it's only, you know, one time we're hearing of it.

When you hear that from somebody like Orlovsky relay in that story, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, that's concerning. I mean, you know, especially, you know, he's been so talented and so much better than everybody else up to this point in his career. You know, he maybe can get away with it a little bit. But now, I mean, now you're stepping to the ring with the big boys. I mean, this is your job, for one, but, you know, there's so much more preparation. I mean, there's so much more from an install standpoint. There's so much more studying that needs to be done.

You got, I mean, the game is so much more complex than what they did at Ohio State. So, you know, if I'm a team, you know, I'm going to go to the coaches at Ohio State. I'm going to go to all these guys. I can get as much information to say, hey, is this, you know, is this true or not? You know, if it is, to me, that's a little concerning. You know, I was never around a player that had a ton of success that was that guy, that, you know, showed up right when meetings are starting and were out right after practice. Most guys got there early. They had their routine.

They, you know, where it was hot tub or workout or, you know, whatever may be. You know, those are the guys that were successful. So, yeah, if I'm a team and that does come to be true, that's, to me, that's kind of a red flag that they're going to have to get to the bottom of. Brandon, great stuff, man. Really appreciate you joining me. And you had a big lunch. Would you have? I'm up here at Charleston's in Oklahoma City.

He had some pork chops. They had unbelievable pork chops. That is strong. That feels like a nap afterwards. Well, I know. I didn't eat them all, which I'm about them. I'm actually ahead of the golf course. I'm about to go play golf.

So I'm not like playing golf on a full stomach. But there's some great porchops. I had to dabble with them a little bit. Somehow I think you'll be okay. I don't like to play on a full stomach, but, you know, that's that suburban, that's suburban grit right there. When you can find a way to play golf and conditions aren't just perfect or your body's not perfect, that shows some serious suburban grit. Some grip. That's right. I got it. Great stuff, man. Thanks for joining us.

All right, buddy. Talk to later. Let's get to rhyme music with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Okay. Pork chops for lunch right before a round of golf? That's strong. I mean, can we all just live the life of a former NFL quarterback?

Right? Brandon Whedon's got a pretty good life now. Okay, so now he played professional baseball. Things like, I want to play college football. He became the best college football quarterback, maybe next to Andrew Luck that year. You know, wins a, was it, fiesta bowl. First round draft pick. Obviously only lasted two years there.

Goes to Cowboys. Gets to start when Ron. Romo goes down. You got to start a little bit with Houston as well. Now he's, you know, just raising stellar athletes playing. He's like a scratch golfer too. It's like a legit, really good golf. It's good life. Yeah, that's awesome. All right, from one former NFL quarterback to one current NFL quarterback, Doug, with all the news and movement we've seen in the NFL so far this offseason, Carson Wentz going to the Colts, probably one of the biggest moves that's happened thus far. One of Wents's new teammates, T.Y. Hilton, was talking to the athletic about Wents and compared him to one of his former play callers and teammates, Andrew Luck. He said, quote, he has some Andrew Lutz traits. He can get out of the pocket and make plays. A special talent.

Who is this? T. Y. Hilton talking about Carson Wens. I mean, look, the guy was playing great before he went mental on all of us and he is obviously his body to let him down as well. I don't want to talk about Carson Wentz. good he can be or like let's give him time to get fixed and figure it out and see what it looks like next year because this is definitely a reclamation project he lost his confidence and anybody who's ever had a crisis in confidence understands how much it affects your performance also understand that that even if you fix it in the offseason it's totally different when there's dudes across the way chomping at the bit to hit you yeah you you you obviously hope that he's able to regain it but it almost always feels like once it's broken

you're always that one little thing away from it going back down. But he had a ton of confidence and played really well when he was with Frank Reich in Philadelphia, so perhaps he can refind it here in Indiana. I guess like here's the best example I can use. Have you guys seen Yaka Portal shoot free throws recently? He can't make hit the rim. Oh, wow. Like Yacca Portal was a first round draft pick out of Utah with Toronto.

No, I know who he is, but now. Now he's with San Antonio. And when I tell you he's got the yips and it's bad, it's an understatement. Well, another one. And I don't know how you, and I've had that. And it takes years to fix. And even then, like you said, like you're still that guy, it still comes back. John Lester.

Yes. Great, great pitcher. Money pitcher. Can't throw to first base. Couldn't do it. Yeah. He could throw this glove with the ball in it to first base, but not actually throw to first base. Yeah.

Overhand. The mind is a powerful, powerful instrument. We'll stick here in the NFL, Doug, with someone who apparently has no issue with confidence and can never be brought down. And that's Mr. Tom Brady. We already know he's won his seventh Lombardi trophy. But a little bit of a surprise in this offseason when he had knee surgery. Apparently, you know, the report was nothing serious. but a little bit of a cleanup.

There was also a report that it wasn't anything new and something that he was sort of dealing with throughout the season. Buccaneers' general manager, Jason Light, provided an update saying he had talked to Brady last week. I know things are going well. I don't want to put any exact timeline on how it's going because I don't want to set up any expectations, but I know things are going very well.

This was done on the same knee that the only time Brady had had a major injury in his career was that torn ACL. So a little bit of a procedure on that same knee, but apparently, if you can believe Jason Light, things are going well. Yeah, no one's ever come out of a knee surgery as an athlete, but like, man, that one, we screwed that one up, huh?

Right? Yikes. Everybody is expected to make a full and perfect recovery. That said, even with the knee, remember he had the knee sleeve on during the parade when he was, when he was escanned, right? He was just, he was drunker than Cooter Brown. And yet he still delivered the Lombardi Trophy, boat to boat on time and on target.

On time and on target. Clutch situation. You can count on Brady, that's for sure. Can you imagine being Dr. James Andrew, whatever, and you're operating on that knee? Don't screw up the goat's knee. Don't screw up the goat's knee. Don't screw up the goat's knee.

Yeah, do you think, I mean, there has to be a heightened sense of, like, him versus just some other, you know, guy. Some other Schmoe comes in, right? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You go to bed early that night.

You say no to the extra glass of water. Well, you know how surgeons, they play like the music, right? You better have been playing your good concerto or whatever you're playing. You know, the BGs are what gets your mind right. Get the BGs to get your mind right because you don't want to be the guy who's screw. You know, Tom Brady was having a great end to his career in Tampa. And then he just had like a little knee procedure and something went wrong. Like you don't want to be that guy.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I always wonder, like, with all of the surgery. that Tiger Woods had had. Now, obviously he gets like Tom Brady would, the best of the best of the best. Yes. But because he had so many...

Yes. You're all... Anytime that... Every time they go in, you run the risk of infection. Anytime they go in, you're not going to be the same. Right?

You just not. You build up scar tissue from whatever they fix. Like, these are... These are real things. Real things. But at least the difference, obviously, with Brady is.

He's never been one to rely on his... Athleticism? Superior athletic ability. No, but in Ferran is like, your knee ain't right. You're not throwing with the same balance. You're not able to be you. But you're right. It's not like somebody who's...

Tom Brady raced a pregnant woman came in third. But not slower than Philip Rivers, as you always said. Philip Rivers was a bad athlete before he tore his ACL and got old. Bad athlete. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. We're having some fun today.

Okay, so Lance O'Neserline's going to join us next. All right, cool. He's got a new mock draft out. What does he think? San Francisco does at three. We're all sure the Jets are doing Kyle Wilson. Excuse me, Zach Wilson. So then what happens to San Bernard?

We got a lot. He's also got Kyle Pitts, who I believe is a member of the X-Men. Like, that wouldn't surprise you at all. Like, if he's an Inverger or an X-Men, you'd be like, yeah, I buy that. I buy that. 6-6-240 pounds runs a 4-4. Like, that's not really human stuff. It's not.

No matter how many times you go to the gym or how often you work with your strength and speed coach, you know what you're not going to be? 99.99% of you're not going to be 6-6-240 pounds running a 4-4. Who can catch and occasionally block. But we'll find out why Lance has them outside of the top 10 and where the quarterbacks I'll go. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd

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a little bit of a football player. But to go from, hey, when are they going to relent to trading him to they can't trade him and he couldn't play for anybody but them? This has been a crazy couple of weeks in Houston, has it not? That's where we are right now. I mean, you can't, I mean, it was literally about, are the Texans posturing? Are they going to hang on to Deshaun Watson? Or are they just posturing to get the best feel possible once we get closer to the draft. And now it's impossible. I mean, no one is without knowing what the end result is for Deshaun, without knowing what's going to happen from a legal standpoint or even a civil standpoint, no one can touch it. And what's funny is I think it's actually now more likely that the Texans

will move on from Deshawn Watson when the smoke clears. It's just a matter of what, what is that timing going to look like and what will, you know, the potential ramifications of a suspension look like for Sean Watson and for either the Texans or any team that wants to take them on. It's crazy. You know, his attorney, Rusty Hardin, who we all remember from the Roger Clemens deal, right? His attorney, like, we look, we have 18 women who have worked on him. Like, I understand that these are character witnesses, right? Like, hey, you know, he, nothing went wrong.

But by my calculation, that's 39 different masseuses? No, you're on the low end. You're not counting the Sports Illustrated article, the girl from there. I think it actually went to 22 over the weekend. We even lose count here in Houston. And Rusty's a smart guy, but when your best case scenario is introducing 18 more different masseuse who have worked on Deshaun Watson, it's just, quite frankly, it did the opposite of what I know Rusty and Senator, for it to do. It made people raise

even more of an eye just like, wow, this is the defense now. Am I wrong, though, to say that no one, I had not heard, and I've talked to a lot of NFL people, no one had heard anything much as a mouse mouse, do you know what?

Right. In terms of a bad word about Deshawn before this. No, you know how it goes. I mean, you'll hear, people think different guys are these great guys and all that. Then you hear the stories behind the scenes. A lot of times, we in sports radio or in media we hear about it and it's just that's just the way it is and you just don't talk about it.

Deshawn's not one of those guys. I hadn't heard of, I really hadn't heard a bad thing about him either. I mean, I think sometimes he is, he's a little unaware, obviously, and I think he's still a little naive too, kind of a country kid, but I'd never heard of a negative thing about a bad interaction someone has had with him or the way that he's mistreated people in general. So, yeah, this was a shock to, it was a shock to, it was a shock. to me. It was a shock to the entire city of Houston. And

even if all of this, you know, even if this gets settled and taken care of, this is still very, very messy in terms of his own personal image. And I think that's talking to some people who, you know, know, know him pretty well.

I think the image is very important to him. And there's no question that the image has taken a huge shit. Lance Erline joining us here in the herd Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. You have your mock draft 3.0, and you have the Niners taking Trey Lance. Why Trey Lance instead of Mac Jones or Justin Fields? Well, first of all, why Trey Lance?

Because it's the right pick. Although when I do mocks, I try not to interject my own personal opinion about what they should do as much. I try to keep it out as much as I possibly can. But I made that. I remade my mock literally right after the trade was made because for TV purposes, we had a show on an NFL network that night, total access, and then mock draft live was coming up the next Tuesday, so I needed to get that in. And it was only probably 30 minutes, 40 minutes later that, you know,

Daniel Jeremiah kind of said, well, let's not just rule out Mac Jones automatically, which I knew that meant he had received a text message from someone. And then the very next morning I get a text from a leak source that says in your next mock put Mac Jones in And when this guy tells me stuff, it happens. And so now if I had it to do all over, I would put Mack there. And listen, I think Trey Lance is the right call for that offense. I have heard some whispers of people in the front office like Trey Lans. And this is more of a Kyle Shanahan thing with Matt Jones.

We'll see if that ends up being true. But the bottom line is Mac Jones can come in right away and fit into the offense. It's a, Kyle Shanahanan has a lot of success with quarterbacks. It's an offense where, and they're not devoid of talent. I think Matt Jones has to have a lot of pieces around them, but they actually do have some talent around them on the offensive line, the running game, and a receiver. So that's going to benefit him.

With Trey Lance, I think the upside is definitely higher. He's more of a playmaker than a snap taker. But the problem is you're going to have to wait a little bit with him. So I think the way that they handle Jimmy Garoppolo, either pre-draft or even post-pre-draft it could tell you that mac jones is a guy if if they hang on to him um i still think mac jones is probably going to be the guy but let's remember they've got their choice now of all three quarterbacks that are on the on the board so it's not like they have to lock in with one guy because i wasn't doug i wasn't that impressed with what i saw

for mac jones and his pro day but i didn't expect to be that's not the he's not the kind of guy that's going to wow you in a pro day i can tell you that right he's that he's like he's the guy who you can't one-on-one drill doesn't really matter, right? No. But put him in five-on-five. You're like, oh, his team always wins. I mean, he's the Shane Batier of, you know, he's the Shane Battye of quarterbacks. He's going to do a lot of

nice things for you. But you're not going to, you don't want him to be the number one on your team. You want him to be like the number four. But why trade up to three? That just seems excessive. Because potentially you've got a head coach making personnel calls.

And I watched that with Bill O'Brien, just completely unaware. He just knew the football players he wanted, and he just bungled this entire thing with draft picks and helped bankroll Miami into what potentially could be a long run for them. And this doesn't feel like a move a GM would make, frankly. This feels like a move a move a coach would make. To move up and take a quarterback with three draft picks,

and that quarterback might be what basically is a game manager, which I'm not slamming them. That's fine to have a game manager. especially in that offense. Right. To move up to three. I'm with you. I'm with you,

but he had success. They had success in Houston, right? And, you know, with Shob, they had success with Matt Ryan. They had success with Kirk Cousins. So those are the guys who they, you know, I think he feels like fits him. Have you heard

what Olofts you said about Justin Fields in regards to work ethic? I heard something a while back. in January that there was just some some concerns about whether or not he was kind of the face of a franchise in terms of a guy that was going to be first and last. Yeah, I've heard some of that stuff too. I didn't really let it get to me. It wasn't bad enough that it

altered the way that I looked at Justin Fields. I just know that if you're in that position, that position meaning quarterback at Ohio State and you've been in those kind of high leverage games I'm not too worried about it I think that that's something where where a level of maturity and growth you know is he a rah-rah in your face guide no that's not who he is

but I don't worry about him from a from a leadership standpoint I think that's something that teams will have to figure out on their own I always like to be careful on things like that Doug because you know you're hearing third hand comments like that

but I do think it came from the program where some of the whispers took place. So, but I just, you know, I put it in a little compartment. I remember it, but it didn't have an impact on high-graded them. Lance, great stuff. Appreciate you joining us. Lance Zerline from the NFL network and NFL.com. Huge, huge news in college basketball.

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