The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/02/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: April 2, 2021

In this Best Of The Herd, Doug Gottlieb--in for Colin--lays out San Francisco head coach Kyle Shanahan's greatest challenge yet. Also, Washington Football Team head coach Ron Rivera's plan to build a winner. Plus, the New England Patriots' next big move. Finally, two-time NBA champion and former Gonzaga All-American Adam Morrison. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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From 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1, find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. This is the best. Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be in, however you may be making as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie. In for Colin Cowherd. If you're listening to us on Fox Sports Radio, the IHeart Radio app,

or downloading this as a podcast, wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks so much. We're live in Los Angeles. Angeles. It's beautiful. It's sunny. We have a defending World Series champion, defending NBA champion, and the team in the final four. All right, we'll get you ready for the final four. Tim Miles is going to join us. Former head ball coach at Nebraska at Colorado State. He's going to join us and we'll preview the final four. Plus John Middolkoff will be our guest. still three and out. An hour from now, we'll get his assessment of the quarterbacks and of what the Niners

will do, what the Patriots may do. Plus, Adam Morrison Ammo, as he's known, of course, a legend and a two-time NBA champion, All-American at Gonzaga. Adam Morrison will join us as we are, you know, 30 hours or so from Gonzaga playing in their second Final Four. and a couple days away from potentially crowning Gonzaga national champion. They are the favorite from David to Goliath. That's how this thing has changed.

But let's start with this. Mike Lombardi, who personal friend, I have family members that have worked with Mike Lombardi. Love having him on. I really like his book, which is about how to build football teams. And it draws back on his memories of working with the great Bill Walsh, as well as with Bill Belichick. Mike Lombardi wrote this in the athletic,

quote, when the 49ers traded away two firsts and the third to move up nine spots in the draft. They made that move based upon the conviction of one man, their head coach, Kyle Shanahan. No one in the building has enough knowledge or understanding the quarterback position to sway Shanahan away from selecting his guy. Kyle won't be wishful thinking. His informed expert opinion will be rooted in what he believes is essential for the quarterback position. This is his PS de resistant. This is his defining moment. You know, it's interesting.

If you mention Magic Johnson in this town, I still think most people can draw back on, he's the greatest Laker ever. And I know that Magic said Kobe was, what are you going to say? What are you going to do the Ricky Henderson? I'm the greatest Laker ever. He can't really do that.

Magic's the greatest Laker ever. He won all those titles. He captivated the intention of the entire city. heck the entire globe. He and Larry Bird saved the NBA. And it wasn't Byrd's play and that it was black versus white, Lakers

versus Celtics, but really Magic's personality. His ability to make everybody happy and somehow make it all work and win games like Magic was amazing. But his defining moment is not

signing LeBron James to the Lakers. which happened. It did happen. Like, magic, we can say, LeBron already wanted to come. That's not wrong. He would likely have come.

But the defining moment was when he selected Lanzo ball. Because if there's one thing that Magic Johnson should know, it's how to select and evaluate a point card, right? He was one, especially one as a great passer. No one can appreciate and understand passing a basketball and leading a team, much like Magic Johnson.

And I know, I know you're going to get to the... Well, Wenzel actually had a good year this year. It's fine. It's fine. You know? He is going to be a good NBA player for a long time with some special gifts and some limitations. He is not going to be what he was billed to be. And because of that, it becomes a defining moment.

It wasn't just that he was picked number two overall and they passed on others. at the same. Donovan Mitchell came through a workout and the coaches raved. This guy's better than Lanzo Ball. And Deeran Fox came through and they're like, this guy's better than, nope, Magic said,

this is my guy. Magic's the point guard. Magic understands passing. Magic understands L.A. the kids from Chino Hills, which is sort of L.A., close enough, right? Makes sense. Abject failure.

Okay, now you look at Kyle Shanahan. And do I think John Lynch has a big hand in all of this? Of course. I think they work hand in hand in a lot of their roster acquisitions. And the truth is that Lynch and Shanahan deserve respect for building an incredible football team. Look, when they were healthy and were they, they were actually helped by Jimmy Garoppolo's injury three years ago. Right? Because if Jimmy G, that year, that team would have been a playoff team, we're pretty close, at minimum, you know, 7 and 9, 8, and 8, 9, 7 like every team, right?

Instead, they win, I think four games, I think? Maybe we'll look that up. It wasn't good. They got the second pick in the draft. And because Arizona decides, we're going to take quarterback second in a row, Nick Bosa fell to them. Now, Nick Bosa got hurt last year. Okay, but Nick Bosa in the Super Bowl was the best player on the football field for about three and a half quarters. He's that good. He's that good. And then, oh yeah, by the way, they also, in the second round, like one of the things about drafting high in the draft is it's not just the first round. You get to draft early second. They got Debo Samuel, who's an unbelievable

talent where he can run it on end of rounds. He can catch it. He can block. He's a big bot. He can do a little bit of everything. So first, they've been able to benefit from some of their injuries. second, they've done a good job in evaluating and drafting for the most part. For the most part. Has been perfect. And it's not their fault that Jimmy Jeet kept getting hurt. But when you, listen, Kyle Shannon's been very good. He was obviously raised in a football film room.

He played in his own right. You know, he's Chris Sims roommate. He's a wide receiver of Texas. Went right into the family business. Worked his way up in the National Football League. And the guys that worked, and he can identify. Look, I don't need a guy who runs a 4-4. That doesn't do me any good.

He's had a guy who ran a 4-4. He had RG-3. And by the way, RG3 was rookie of the year with an offense that he didn't like, that Shanahan didn't like. But they put in because it was easier for RG3 coming straight at a college to run similar stuff. And then slowly they wanted to make him into more of a tradition. Kyle Shanahan sort of quarterback. Didn't work.

Yes, did RG3 have success and then get hurt and he was never the same after he got? Fine. But the fact is that the lesson that Kyle Shanahan learned was, man, you're not taking a spread guy and making him a Kyle Shanahan guy like that. That's a hard one. But he's done his best with guys that other people didn't think had the arm, had the legs, had the legs, had the, had the, the full package. Matt Ryan was a quarter away from when the Super Bowl. He was the MVP of the league. Kyle Shanahan was calling the plays. That's his type of guy.

Same thing with Kirk Cousins, his type of guy. Matt Schaub, his type of guy. But boy, when you hand select, when you move mountains to move up into the draft, when you, whatever he thinks their relationship with Jimmy Garapolo is,

there's zero chance that it's a good one in Jimmy Garoppolo's mind. Well, Jimmy wasn't happy, but he's motivated. Like, Jimmy's pissed off. Right? Jimmy was just hurt. Last time Jimmy was healthy, they played in the Super Bowl. He was the quarterback.

Zero chance. So you have destroyed that relationship. You've also destroyed any sort of trade value for Jimmy Garopolo because everybody knows you're taking a quarterback, right? You've gotten rid of other draft picks. You moved up in the draft to hand-select one guy with a ready-made team. And you can say, like, well, Well, we're going to try and do the Alex Smith thing.

Like, that worked sort of once. And they also happened to get Pat Mahomes. My point is that while it appears like, hey, this guy, he seems to know what he wants to the quarterback position. We do know that Kyle Shanahan was the coach when they traded for Jimmy Garoppolo, played Jimmy Garoppolo, won the early games of Jimmy Garoppolo, gave Jimmy Garoppolo a big contract, right? He's the same guy.

Now, does that mean he was hand-selected that they moved up in the draft? No, but no one forced them to make any of these moves, and he did not inherit Jimmy Garoppolo the way that Sean McVeigh inherited Jared Gough. So, like, I'm just sitting here and looking at it and saying, you better be right. Has he earned this right? Of course he has. He's done a fantastic job. But you better be right.

Because if you miss on your e-val, you never live it down. You never live it down. I mean, look at what's happened with Ryan Pace. Just do you guys, if I had to have you guess, just guess, you have Ryan Pace and you have, what's my man's name with the Colts that Colin talks about nonstop, Chris Ballard, okay, Ryan Pace and Chris Ballard. In the last three years, who's done a better job? I mean, I think everybody would like, man, Colts, Chris Ballard, awesome.

Right? Same record. Same record. And both. And the only difference is the Colts have one playoff win as opposed to the Bears. And the Bears had a double doink. Otherwise, they win the playoff game. But what is the difference? What is the difference? The difference is that Ryan Pace missed on two star quarterbacks.

one to Sean Watson, okay, the other one plays for the Kansas Chiefs, you may know who he is. They evaluated them both. Trade it up, move mountains. Like, look, he did the Kaleel-McDiel, which everybody thought, well, he overpaid for, but the defense has been outstanding.

They're still competitive with terrible quarterback play over the past two years. They've still been competitive. You can tell me all with the NFC and more playoff, whatever. They have the same record as the Colts over the last two years, last three years, excuse me. And the only difference is a double doink and then they have the same playoff record. But it's the perception that happens when you go all in for a quarterback and you miss.

You take the wrong guy. And then somebody else takes the right guy and he becomes a superstar. And Lamar Jackson's on the cover of Madden and Pat Mahomes is on the cover of Madden and winning a Super Bowl and in another Super Bowl and all of this great stuff. I get what Kyle's doing. He's earned the right to do it. Everybody believes that he can evaluate, but better not miss.

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Doug Ghaly been for Colin. As the herd. Ron Rivera, Riverboat Ron. Head coach of the Washington football team. I did find it funny, though, that do you remember a year ago? Okay, before they changed their nickname, when there were people like, oh, they're going to make him sell the team because some minority owners are unhappy with their treatment.

Okay, this little heads up. to you, knowing people who have been minority owners in the National Football League, there's really very little benefit from it. It just is. It's one of those things where you get to, you get the rights to purchase a suite before other people, but that's really about all you get, right? You get to say like, hey, we, but you don't get any say in the team. So if you thought Dan Snyder was selling.

and now he's buying those shares and he's not buying them at the rate that which if you ever sold the team which he never will it would actually be in terms of value because there's just not value in it so Dan Snyder not selling and

Riverboat Ron is not buying a quarterback quote I say that just because if you put all the other pieces into place now you start going forward when that guy does show up. When that guy is in the right

position, you can grab him. I went through it the other way. My first in his head coach in Carolina. We drafted the guy of the future for us in the first round. At that point, we did not put all the other pieces around Cam Newton. That's the hey, we're going to draft a guy and then

build a team round. That's kind of what the Jets tried to do with Sam Donald. Yet they just never accumulated the pieces. Now the Jets are like, now we can get the pieces and the player. Or you could actually They keep, Sam Darl. You could trade out of that place, and you get even more pieces if you want it.

But this is why Riverboat Ron is doing what he's doing. He's like, look. So if you look at Washington, look at Washington. What do they have? How do they make the playoffs? Their front four is filthy. Right? Chase Young is, he's an incredible football player.

Incredible. Like, I'm not going to say he and he alone got him to the play. playoffs, I would say that those four do, that front four, maybe front seven, like, they're as good as, that front four is as good as anything out there. That won't win you a game. That'll keep you in a lot of games. And knowing that, he's like, why would I go and reach for a quarterback and try and Ryan Fitzpatrick's fine.

Taylor Heineke's fine. And without a guy who I know is a dude, I got so many other pieces. This is how I think a lot of NFL teams are. going to be built. This appears to be what the Patriots are doing. Forget about the quarterback. Like to get a free agent quarterback or even to get one that somebody wants to get rid of, you're going to pay $20, 30 million. Patriots are paying three and a half to CAM. Then maybe they draft a guy or maybe they just stick with and then they build the rest of the roster. Then when they find the guy, now you go for the guy. And you got everything else in place.

Got everything else in place. You know, Russell Wilson wasn't the guy when he got to Seattle. But because of where they got him in the draft, they didn't have to pay him. And then they had the Legion of Boom. They built everything around him. And then he was successful. I think there's a lot of wisdom in what Riverboat Ron is saying. Don't just take quarterback because you need a quarterback. Only take quarterback if you know he's your quarterback.

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to some of the best who've ever done it on the field or the track. So whether it's talking to a Super Bowl champion or a NASCAR Cup Series champion, the Lights Out podcast will bring it to you the only way I know how to. I'm giving you the best insight from the best who's ever done it.

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Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.

Yep, that's me. Cliver Taylor the Fubber. fourth. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about

life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jett. And I'm Alex English.

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Search, learn the hard way, and listen now. I saw this from Todd McShay. I love the who else was there. So Mac Jones was throwing at Alabama's Pro Day the other day. And there's a bunch of different photos. There's lots of where Sabin is, you know, talking with coaches. You're like, man, Sabin. Whatever he's saying, just write it down.

It's genius. And then there's some video of Belichick and Lynch and Shanahan all talking like, oh, they got to be, they got to be talking about a Jimmy G trade. They got, like, it's possible they're like, what do you guys have to do? Nothing? They're even up to do nothing. Can he believe that we're here in Alabama?

We're watching Mack Jones. Like, we never would have. We thought we were here for two. Right. Like, there's a million things they could be talking about, but let's, hey, KD. and Kyrie, apparently when they were talking in that hallway, we're actually talking about playing together. So let's assume for a second that they were talking about changing quarterbacks.

I gave you Jimmy G and you want to get rid of him clearly you give him back to me so there's another guy who was there Todd McShay so McShay obviously draft guru ESPN and

his latest mock draft he said the Patriots go get the final big five quarterback quote I'm not sure the Patriots would jump into the top 10 for a quarterback but hopping four spots to one is very much a possibility. So in his latest mock,

he has them trading with the Giants to get Justin Fields. He goes on to write, even after the Niners move up the board, it doesn't appear that Jimmy Garoppolo is in the cards this season for the Patriots. And while they brought back Cam Newton, the veteran is only signed to a $3.5 million guarantee.

The Pats haven't spent a first round pick on a quarterback since 93. That was Drew Bledsoe. But now's the time. Fields is an accurate downfield thrower. He can develop into a... top-tier starter for a team searching for stability of the position in the post-Tom Brady era. I'm not going to tell you I even begin to know what Bill Belichick's doing.

I can tell you, though, that if Cam Newton is only making $3.5 million, he's not going to be the starter for long. You understand? He's not, which is about right. Like, Cam Newton can't throw a football very well. Oh, he's the league. Like, he had three games and checked to make sure I have the number right. I believe he had three games we had less than 100 yards passing. And they won a couple of those games as well.

And we can go back, well, they didn't have weapons. Like, okay, that's fine. But when you're throwing dirt balls and you've had multiple shoulder surgeries and the rest of the league is staying away, like, look, he wouldn't resigned for three and a half if he thought he's going to kill it somewhere else. Sorry, four games under 100. I actually undersold it. Under 100 yards passing.

Now, it went two. and two in those games. They won in spite of not because of his arm. So Cam Newton's not the future. He's not really even the present there. He's just a good dude, good, very well respected. But here's my thing. Have you, we've all followed the draft. Colin follows the draft incredibly tightly. So do I. We talk to the same people. And every year a rumor comes up about an athletic quarterback that Bill Belichick has a thing for, right? Do you remember, I mean, look, when Lamar Jackson was out, the team that people thought was going to jump up and take Lamar Jackson was, in fact, the Patriots, because part of it is we always go with the opposite, right? He had a statue and an

absolute genius in Brady, but the league has changed. So some of it is the league changing, but some of it is, I'd like to know how the other half lives. Have a guy who can run. Have a guy who can, If things don't work out, he can make it happen with his legs. We can move the pocket. We can move them all over. There's just no athletic limitations. And if you go back and track the Patriots rumor drafted quarterback, almost all of them are guys that, and I know they drafted Ryan Mallet, who wasn't a runner.

And I know they drafted Jared Stidim, who can run, but it's not a runner. And they had Jimmy Garoppolo, who was more athletic before the injuries or whatever. But the rumors recently have all been Belichick wants somebody who's athletic. Justin Fields ran a 4-4 yesterday. Now, I know Urban's not there anymore, but if you look at the programs, the programs that Belichick has trusted the most, Urban Myers program at Florida and Ohio State,

and Greg Shiana's program at Rutgers. Like those are, that's it, those are his guy, and now Alabama as well. Like those are the three, you know, Bella, Sabin has the Parcell's tie. He's got the Parcells tie. That's where it all kind of comes together.

Does it make sense? Absolutely. Absolutely. Also, if you're going to have Cam Newton as your starter at the start of the year, it would stand to reason that whoever comes and ultimately replaces him would run a similar offense, right?

Cam Newton's not going to run an offense that's West Coast. He's going to run one where it emphasizes his ability to throw it, but also emphasizes his ability to run it. They didn't get big pass-catching tight ends because they were going to get a deadly accurate, you know, guy with a pea-shooter for an arm. No, you're going to get somebody like Cam Newton

with a howitzer for an arm that may lack some of the technical accuracy. All of this is Justin Fields. Makes sense to me. Makes sense to me. But that doesn't mean Belichick is committed. I'm just saying for a longest time Belichick has seen how,

And what's the other thing he's seen how the league has gone? Right? The sweet spot for building a roster is with a young quarterback, especially one's second, third, fourth year of their deal. You get somebody mid-first round, they're making $7, $8 million. You combine that with the three and a half he's paying for Cam. That's a reasonable sum of money. And you can go and as they've done in free agency.

And as I told you they would do, on this very show a couple weeks ago, I said, hey, free agency, nobody else has money except for the Pats. This is how they're going to rebuild their team. They got a bunch of young guys from last year. They got guys come back off opt out. And they're going to go spend smartly in free agency and try and fix it then and worry about the quarterback later. And this would be the quarterback later. This would be the quarterback later.

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That was in Oakland, right? So UCLA and Gonzaga are going to play in the Final Four tomorrow. We just so happen to be lucky enough to get Adam Morrison to join us here in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Adam, first, how are you? Good. How you doing? Good. It's interesting, you know. You, I mean, your college career was amazing.

You were kind enough to do that pod with me. By the way, it's all ball. You can download the podcast. Adam took us through kind of everything. But no matter all the awards and all of the points and the 28 a game and the dominating college basketball, you're forever known for that game. What do you remember about the game in Oakland in 2006? I think I remember just, you know, obviously.

So we were up 15 with about five minutes ago. And, you know, a lot of things had to go right for UCLA, and they did. And, you know, I still would go to my grave thinking that J.P. Patisa got filed on that steel because he was a, I think he was an 85% free-row shooter. So when I passed to him on that double team, we were expecting him to get foul. Unfortunately, you know, they stole the ball and laid it up. And then, you know, the rest was history for me. So, yeah, it's funny.

sitting on our broadcasts because, you know, I do the games for Gonzaga, and I was, I mentioned in our postgame show. I was like, man, I really hope Michigan win, so I'll have to relive this thing over again. And unfortunately, for myself, UCLA came through, and it's going to be an interesting match upon Saturday. Okay, so do you want them to, like, get up 15? Do you want them to sweep the leg and just run it up and go for it? Because, you know, like, common practices, like, A.A.U, you know, you get up 25. You're like, I, cough the dogs. You want them to sweep the leg and just, listen, 15 is not enough, boys. No, I mean, that stuff, I mean, it was 15 years ago, obviously, for me.

And, you know, few in the staff have elevated the program beyond that, obviously. So, you know, obviously I want us to win. These kids have had such a fantastic season, but it's just so funny. It just morphs into UCLA coming from first four and making out of that bracket. So, yeah, I mean, a blowout, I mean, we've won by 24 in every game this tournament, so a blowout wouldn't be surprising, but UCLA's playing with house money. Obviously, a very good team with Drew Zang. I like that kiddie's good, too.

And I think I like that little point guard, Campbell, is good. So we'll see. It should be an interesting matchup. Yeah, Tiger Campbell looks, he looks straight out of a Rasta poster back from my college days, right? Doesn't he? Like, he has, I mean, it's really, really amazing. The hair, the look, the whole thing. There is definitely some Rasta swag there.

Oh, absolutely. You know, a little Bob Marley and, you know, and everything's legalized now. so, you know, it's okay to have that mindset, but he did a fantastic job keeping those Michigan guards out of the paint. So I think that's going to be one of the keys when we play him is how that match between him and Suggs and our other guards go. If we can get into the paint, it'll be good for us. But if you can keep us out of the pain,

it'll be a little more difficult offensively. There's, and I don't know, do you guys have a text chain with, like, all the Santangelo's, the Richie Fromms, the dickows, the Casey Cavalries. Like, are you on that text chain? No, not really. Those guys were before me. I know.

They're kind of the era that started it all. They had more success as a group than my groups did. So they're kind of, in my view, they're held in higher regard as far as Gonzaga standing. So, no, I don't really talk about the games with them, I guess. I guess the question, Adam is this, like, if they win on Monday night, is it, do you guys all feel, or do you personally feel like a part of it, right?

Like, and I know if you've done a great job, do you feel a part of it? You know, as far as helping the program, I guess, you know, with those elite eight runs and then my group, you know, elevating it to a national prominence, I guess you could say. But, you know, during this whole season and then obviously the UCLA game, up. I kind of feel bad because some of the attention goes back to that last game in my era. And it's like these kids are, you know, 30 and O and they're a fantastic basketball team. So I think all of us will feel a little bit, you know, like we've done a little bit for the program. But these guys have taken it to a whole different level. They're so much better than our older teams.

And I don't like even saying that, but it's the truth. They just play a better brand coming out of high school. program to heights that a lot of us didn't think it could go. So we're all proud of them for real. And it's time for us to get shoved off the Mount Rushmore, of Gonzaga, and put these guys up there if they can win on Monday. Plus, Drew Timmy's facial hair was much better than your facial hair. Let's just be honest.

His handle of our mustache is such more ingrown than mine was. Mine was wispy and tough, you know, tough to look at when I look back and show my kids at my playing days. I usually show them the freshman and sophomore year, highlight tapes and skip the junior year. Yeah. No, listen, I had a little chin thing going on there, too, for a while in college. And I did the Frosted Tips one year, the start of a year before my coach, maybe. Yeah.

And you're just like, God, what was I? What was I doing? Whereas Timmy, I felt like Timmy took the match up with Evan Mobley personally. Like, I thought he's like, he's like, am I wrong? Because he's like, not only do I want to kick his ass because I normally like to kick guys' asses, but people think he's the top five draft pick, like, I'm a sophomore, and he just went at him, went right at him. Well, I think it was a huge game for his stock for Kimmy. If he chooses to leave this year or next year, he had to go against an NBA-type body, an NBA athlete inside single coverage.

And we really haven't faced that this year. I mean, he's had great games in the tournament, but he hasn't played an NBA body. And so he, you know, came out with the right mindset. And he was really good defensively on the perimeter. him. He started the game with two steals and kind of got him going and transition. So, yeah, he really took it to heart, I think, and, you know, understood. It was kind of like the Domus, the bonus, Yacopurto game, when they said Yacopoldo was a better player than Domus was about five, six years ago in the tournament.

Same situation. And Domus took a personally draft stock. I think Timmy had the same mindset of, all right, I need to really show the next level that I have a chance to play at that level. So you have an excellent job of kind of dominating the whole. interior of that game. You know, it's interesting. Adam Morrison's our guest. I'm Doug Gottlieb been for Colin Coward. This is to heard on Foxport Trade of the IHeart Radio app. It's interesting

that I feel that like there's a competitiveness to the program that is real right? And most places have that right, where you're like, oh, that guy's something. Wait, let me show him. But there's kind of competitive dudes there. What's

interesting, it's not that Fuey's not competitive. But you know, like if he loses on Saturday, he'll be super bummed and upset for the kids. But then he'll be fly fishing like two days later. Like he has a balance about it. How does the, how does the, because a program

usually, usually is, looks like the head coach, right? Feels like the head coach. But Mark appears to be one of the nicest, genuine calmest human beings on earth. And yet you guys have these vicious competitors.

How does that balance take place? Well, I think he's going to coach you, but you're never going to get MF or anything like that. So that's first or foremost when you come in. So, you know, he's going to get on you. He's going to, you know, teach you the right ways to play and make sure he's, you know, he always says squeezing the last 5% out of you as far as the players go. So I think he recruits guys that are, you know, culture guys.

But then he has a pretty good lifestyle and it's not, there's not, you know, there's pressure, but there's not a lot of pressure, like a football school or Power 5 conference to where, you know, you have to produce, which he always does. So I think he just has a calmness over the program. But a lot of it has to do with the guys they recruit. I mean, it sounds cliche, but he recruits culture guys. He recruits guys that are Jim Rats. He recruits basketball-first-oriented guys that are, you know, want to make something of their career.

And then especially in the older days, we were all kind of diamonds in the rough or overlooked. type of players and he's kept that same attitude with how he recruits and yeah no he's done an excellent job of morphing himself into a different you know mindset as a coach i mean he was a little more intense i think when i was there now he's a little more laid back i think going to u.sa basketball really helped him being around like bayheim and pop and those guys and seeing how they're around five-star recruits you know what i mean and then dudes and so he's he's taking that mindset and really morphed it into the program. And now they're getting five-star recruits.

They got that kid out of Omaha. We might get that Chet Kid. Hopefully, you know, we're getting dudes now and Jalen Suggs. And so he's done an excellent job of kind of pulling the reins back on his intensity, I think, in the last decade or so. Yeah, if you get Chet Holmgren that it's a wrap. Gonzaga's officially become Kentucky, right? Like, I mean, lining up, Lying-Jalen Suck, you obviously play,

and played well in the NBA. You've been a part of championship teams. I remember the story you told me about Kobe and how great he was to you. Jalen Suggs, the NBA comp for you as a guy who's actually played against these all-time greats. Is he Jason Kidd? Like, who is he? That's a good question because I've battled that myself in my own head.

I first was thinking Bradley Biel, but I don't think he scores it well enough. But I think he's similar to Jason Kidd at passing. I think he's a better score than maybe Jason Kidd was, but Jason Kidd didn't have to score in his era at that position. So I think that's probably a fair comp. What's been most oppressive for me with him coming to Gonzaga, as he could have gone anywhere, obviously. He could have gone to football as well,

but he went to Gonzaga to play with other good players and play in the system. And there's been games this year where he's only had five, six, seven shots, but he had eight, nine assists. And usually you get those. type of kids, if they don't get the numbers or get the line that they wanted, the parents start complaining

or the kids' body language is bad. We haven't seen that at all from him. He's been fantastic defensively. I mean, the last game against USC was 16, 10, and 8. I'm really impressed with him as a passer more than anything else, but I think he has a tremendous

upside of the pros because they play pro-style and he handles it really well and, you know, space the four ball screen with motion and reads and back, and stuff like that and can shoot it. So I think Jason Kidd is a good comp with a little bit better jump shot and finish around the room. Adam, great stuff, man.

Look, I know obviously, like, nobody, I discussed it earlier. Nobody likes to pick apart, like, one spot of a guy's life and career. But that's, unfortunately, that's what people are going to do emotionally. You can be good Saturday when they start showing all those re-hears, those highlights? Yeah, no, I'm fine. I put that stuff to bed honestly about 10 years ago. But if you asked me five years after, I probably would have declined the interview.

So it's just funny because I knew it was coming up and I appreciate you guys having me on and stuff like that. But I was just like, man, I just want for these kids, they don't have to talk about my career 15 years later when they're 30 and 0. I would have a chance to win national championship. So it is what it is. But, you know, life goes on.

and, you know, there's worse things to be remembered by than being emotional at the end of a loss, I guess. No question about it. You show me somebody who doesn't cry when they lose. I say, I'm like guys that cry when I cried when I lost my last college game. Yeah. Like a baby. Like a baby.

I can still remember every moment, every moment of it, right? Every moment of it I can remember. Yeah. High school, you know, it was the same way we lost state championship in the locker room was to your fest with everybody. I mean, I was watching, you know, obviously the tournament, Alabama on the sideline. Those kids were emotional and that loss to you. Chile and overtime.

So, yeah, it happens. And people don't understand. It's like, you know, I was from Spokane. It was a ballboy there. So it was like one of those deals where, you know, kind of had the pressure on the city as well and to fall up short. Because we were going to play Memphis, who we lost to earlier in that season.

And we felt good about that matchup. And then, you know, like I said, we were up 15, about five minutes ago, and about 10 things, had to go right for UCLA. And they all did. You know, Ryan Hollins makes a one-on-one free throw. Jordan Farmer makes a 17-foot running bank shot, who was a teammate in L.A., and he always lasts.

He's like, I don't know how I made that. Yeah, so it is what it is, and life goes on. And, you know, if it didn't happen, you know, maybe my life's a little bit different as far as some people remember me. But, you know, like I said, because it did happen, I'm on the hurt, you know, so we're going to talk about basketball. Also, there's some pros and cons to it, I guess. No, no question.

I'm actually, I'm actually, actually watching it. Like, when you lose, is there any recollection of everything, anything that happened elsewhere? By the way, like, here's a crazy one. You guys were up three, and you missed a shot, and you did it right, right? Held to the last second, missed a shot. And then there was a bizarre, like, foul call on JP with 19 points. They didn't get fouled going to the basket. They got fouled in their own end.

I said, there was so many things I had to go right. The biggest regret I have from that game is that last possession. I think I got a switch on a guard. I think it was Farmer Wilson. I should have bounced them down and try to get to the free throw line or take them better. I took like a fade away

like a 14 footer or something. That's the one regret when I remember back is I probably should have put my head down because I had a good whistle that whole year and try to get to the free throw line and score and maybe we move on. But, you know, is what it is.

Yeah. It is what it is. Gonzaga wins the national title if? We get out in transition. I mean, if we can limit Zhu Zang in this next game, and I think of Campbell, you know, we can kind of try to get him off the floor because I thought he was fantastic defensively. But, you know, we're number one in the country,

two-point field goal percentage. We're 72% at the rim. and then 34% of our shots have been in transition as a whole. So if we can get out and run, I think we're going to be fine. That USC game scared me with that 2-3 zone. But early in the game, we got out and ran and got out in transition and scored at will. So if we can gang rebound like we've been doing and get out in transition, I think we have a good shot as anybody.

Adam, you're a good man for coming on for talking about this stuff. You've always been good to me personally, and of course I love calling your games back in the day. Can't wait to catch up in person, maybe with the Zags as National Champions, and thanks for being our guest on Fox Sports Radio. Cool. Thanks, Doug. All right, it's Adam Morrison. And I encourage you to do this, right? You should download that podcast, not just because it was a really good podcast,

but it's like he walks you through, like, that emotionally scars you for a long time. I don't know if you have had this in your life, but, you know, in my life, We didn't lose a close game my last game. It got close. We played Florida. It was in the elite eight. And the whole thing is we wanted to play Duke because our sophomore years, we had lost to Duke. And they were really young.

Jay Williams was just a freshman. And so it was done leaving that team that went on to win a national championship, I think the next year. They were all, they were freshmen mostly that year. And, you know, what end up happening was, We played Florida instead, and Florida was crazy talented. And we got down early. We came back and we tied the game. And then Mike Miller hit a couple of threes.

And that was that was that. And, but you wake up the morning of the lead eight and you just, I'm going to be cutting down nets. I'm going to the final four. I'd gone to the final four. My entire life as a kid, my dad was a coach. And then all of a sudden now I'm not going to the final four. It's over like that. So, yeah, of course.

I remember Adam crying on the court and they still had, you know, know, two seconds or so to get off a shot. And they actually got up a decent shot. But like that, it just kind of emotionally scars you, you know, emotionally scars you. And when you're a person who's fully and completely invested, and that's the only way you're successful in this thing is if guys are completely invested in doing it and winning. When you're completely invested in something, you don't think the possibility of losing,

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