The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/02/2021 - HOUR 1 - Shanahan's Challenge, Tim Miles, Patriot Moves

Episode Date: April 2, 2021

In this hour of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Doug Gottlieb--in for Colin--explains San Francisco head coach Kyle Shanahan's greatest challenge yet. Also, former head coach and current college basketball analyst for FOX Sports, Tim Miles chats with Doug about the retirement of North Carolina head coach Roy Williams, Gonzaga's unstoppable run and more. Finally, are the New England Patriots ready to make another big move? Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's sunny. We have a defending World Series champion, defending NBA champion, and a team in the final four? All right, we'll get you ready for the final four. Tim Miles is going to join us. Former head ball coach at Nebraska, at Colorado State.

He's going to join us, and we'll preview the final four. Plus, John Middoloff will be our guest, still three and out. An hour from now, we'll get his assessment of the quarterbacks and of what the Niners will do, what the Patriots may do. Plus, Adam Morrison Ammo, as he's known, of course, a legend and a two-time NBA champion, All-American at Gonzaga.

Adam Morrison will join us as we are, you know, 30 hours or so from Gonzaga playing in their second Final Four and a couple days away from potentially. eventually crowning Gonzaga National Champion. They are the favorite. From David to Goliath. That's how this thing has changed. But let's start with this. Mike Lombardi, who

personal friend, I have family members that have worked with Mike Lombardi. Love having him on. I really like his book, which is about how to build football teams and draws back on his memories of working with the great Bill Walsh as well as with Bill Belichick. Mike Lombardi

wrote this in The Athletic, quote, the 49ers trade away two first and the third to move up nine spots in the draft. They made that move based upon the conviction of one man, their head coach, Kyle Shanahan. No one in the building has enough knowledge or understanding the quarterback position to sway Shanahan away from selecting his guy. Kyle won't be wishful thinking. His informed expert opinion will be rooted in what he believes is essential for the quarterback position. This is his piece de resistance. This is his defining moment.

You know, it's interesting. If you mention Magic Johnson in this town, I still think most people can draw back on, he's the greatest Laker ever. And I know that Magic said Kobe was, what are you going to say? What are you going to do the Ricky Henderson? I'm the greatest Laker ever.

He can't really do that. Magic's the greatest Laker ever. And he went all those titles. He captivated the intention of the entire city. Heck, the entire globe. He and Larry Bird saved the N. and it wasn't birds play and that it was black versus white, Lakers versus Celtics,

but really Magic's personality. His ability to make everybody happy and somehow make it all work and win games. Like magic was amazing. But his defining moment is not signing LeBron James to the Lakers, which happened. It did happen. like magic we can say

LeBron already wanted to come. That's not wrong. He would likely have come. But the defining moment was when he selected Lonzo Ball. Because if there's one thing that Magic Johnson should know, it's

how to select and evaluate a point card, right? He was one especially one as a great passer. No one can appreciate and understand passing a basketball and leading a team much like Magic Johnson. And I I know I know you're going to get to the, well, Onzo's actually had a good year this year.

It's fine. It's fine. You know? He is going to be a good NBA player for a long time with some special gifts and some limitations. He is not going to be what he was billed to be. And because of that, it becomes a defining moment. It wasn't just that he was picked number two overall and they passed on others at the same. Donovan Mitchell came through their,

through a workout. And the coaches raved, this guy's better than Lanzo Ball. And Deeran Fox came through and they're like this guy's better than, nope. Magic said, this is my guy. Magic's the point guard. Magic understands passing. Magic understands

L.A. The kids from Chino Hills, which is sort of L.A., close enough. Right? Makes sense. Abject failure. Okay. Now you look at Kyle Shanahan. And do I think John Lynch has a big hand in all this? Of course.

I think they work hand in hand in a lot of their roster acquisitions. And the truth is that Lynch and Shanahan deserve respect for building an incredible football team. Look, when they were healthy and were they, they were actually helped by Jimmy Garoppolo's injury three years ago, right? Because if Jimmy G. that year, that year, year that team would have been a playoff team. We're pretty close. At minimum, you know, seven to nine, eight and eight, nine, seven like every team, right? Instead, they win, I think four

games, think? Maybe we'll look that up. It wasn't good. They got the, they got the second pick in the draft. And because Arizona decides, we're going to take quarterback second in a row, Nick Bosa fell to them. Now, Nick Bosa got hurt last year. Okay, but Nick Bosa in the Super Bowl was the best player on the football field for about three and a half quarters. He's that good. he's that good. And then, oh yeah, by the way, they also, in the second round, like one of the things about drafting high in the draft is

it's not just the first round. You get to draft early second. They got Debo Samuel, who's an unbelievable talent where he can run it on end of rounds. He can catch it. He can block. He's a big bot.

He can do a little bit of everything. So first, they've been able to benefit from some of their injuries. Second, they've done a good job in evaluating and drafting for the most part. for the most part. Has been perfect. And it's not their fault that Jimmy Ged kept getting hurt.

But when you, listen, Kyle Shannon's been very good. He was obviously raised in a football film room. He played in his own right. You know, he's Chris Sims roommate. He's a wide receiver of Texas.

Went right into the family business. Worked his way up in the National Football League. And the guys that worked and he can identify. Look, I don't need. I don't need a guy who runs a 4-4. That doesn't do me any good. He's had a guy who ran a 4-4.

He had RG-3. And by the way, RG3 was rookie of the year with an offense that he didn't like that Shanahan didn't like. But they put in because it was easier for RG3 coming straight at a college to run similar stuff and then slowly they wanted to make him into more of a traditional Kyle Shanahan sort of quarterback.

Didn't work. Yes, did RG3? have success and then get hurt and he was never the same after you got fine but the fact is that the lesson that kail shanahan learned was man you're not taking a spread guy making him a making him a kail shanahan guy like that that's a hard one but he's he's done his best with guys that other people didn't think had the arm had the legs had the the the full package Matt Ryan was a quarter away from winning the Super Bowl. He was the MVP of the league.

Kyle Shanahan was calling the plays. That's his type of guy. Same thing with Kirk Cousins, his type of guy. Matt Sharp, his type of guy. But boy, when you hand-select, when you move mountains to move up into the draft, whatever he thinks their relationship with Jimmy Garoppolo is, there's zero chance that it's a good one in Jimmy Garoppolo's mind.

They go like, well, Jimmy wasn't happy, but he's motivated. Like, Jimmy's pissed off. Right? Jimmy was just hurt. Last time Jimmy was healthy, they played in the Super Bowl. He was the quarterback. Zero chance. So you have destroyed that relationship.

You've also destroyed any sort of trade value for Jimmy Garoppolo, because everybody knows you're taking a quarterback, right? You've gotten rid of other draft picks. You moved up in the draft to hand-select one guy with a ready-made team. And you can say, like, well, we're going to try and do the Alex Smith. thing. Like, that worked sort of once and they also happened to get Pat Mahomes. My point is that while it appears like, hey, this guy, he seems to know what he wants to the quarterback position. We do know that Kyle Shanahan was the coach when they traded for

Jimmy Garoppolo, played Jimmy Garoppolo, won the early games of Jimmy Garoppolo, gave Jimmy Garoppolo a big contract, right? He's the same guy. Now, does that mean he was hand-selected, that they moved up in the draft? No, but no one forced them to make any of these moves. And he did not inherit Jimmy Garoppolo the way that Sean McVeigh inherited Jared Gough. So, like, I'm just sitting here and looking at it and saying, you better be right. Has he earned this right? Of course he has. He's done a fantastic job. But you better be right. Because if you miss on your eval, you never live it down. You never live it down. And look at what's happen with Ryan Pace.

Just do you guys, if I had to have you guess, just guess, you have Ryan Pace and you have, what's my man's name with the Colts that Colin talks about nonstop, Chris Ballard, okay, Ryan Pace and Chris Ballard. In the last three years, who's done a better job? I mean, I think everybody would be like, man, Colts, Chris Ballard, awesome, right? same record same record and both and the only difference is the Colts have one playoff win as opposed to the Bears and the Bears had a double doink otherwise they make the playoff they win the playoff game but but what is the difference

what is the difference the the difference is that Ryan Pace missed on a two star quarterbacks one to Sean Watson Okay, the other one plays for the Kansas Chiefs. You may know who he is. They evaluated him both. Trade it up, move mountains. Like, look, he did the Kaleel-Mac deal, which everybody thought, well, he overpaid for him.

But the defense has been outstanding. They're still competitive with terrible quarterback play over the past two years. They've still been competitive. You can tell me, oh, with the NFC and or playoff, whatever. They have the same record as the Colts over the last two years, last three years, excuse me.

And the only difference is a double doyink and then they have the same playoff record. But it's the perception that happens when you go all in for a quarterback and you miss. You take the wrong guy. And then somebody else takes the right guy and he becomes a superstar. And Lamar Jackson's on the cover of Madden

and Pat Mahomes is on the cover of Madden and winning a Super Bowl and in another Super Bowl and all of this great stuff. I get what Kyle's doing. He's earned the right to do it. Everybody believes that he can evaluate, but better not miss. Play calling and evaluating guys who are of lesser caliber

and have less kind of less swag, if you will, at different stages of development. Like all of that is, and oh yeah, by the way, you can have bad luck too. Right? Like, you can have really. really, really bad luck. Jay Gruden will tell you that.

They knew what they were getting with Alex Smith. And they were in first place, in the NFC East. And Alex Smith, you know, broke his leg in 15 different places. Then Colt McCoy broke his leg the next week, right? So you can do everything right and then get just snake bit and bad luck and whatever. But this is what happens when you go all in on one position, you let one guy make a decision and think that he somehow knows.

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Old Roy says, I'm done. Mike dropped, I'm out. I'm out. Indiana has found a new coach. Marquette, we had Chaka Smart on with us yesterday. We left Texas. A guy who knows about coaching ins and outs and moving all over the country and going after new jobs is an analyst for Fox Sports College Basketball coverage.

He's Tim Miles. He joins us now in the herd. and Tim, I guess the first thing is Roy Williams. Did you ever coach against Roy Williams? You know, I did not. He played too fast for me. I was always worried. From like if you coach to coach when somebody says,

Roy Williams, your thoughts go, what would they be? Well, first of all, a total classy dude. So fun to be around. makes everybody feel at ease when you're with him. And so if you ever just even meeting for a few minutes, I can feel like you've got a friend in O'Roy. Now, when I'm watching coach, I think of players, I think I'm playing fast,

I think a secondary transition, the old Carolina break, think a jet point guards and physical bigs, and just, you know, dad, gum it, all his things that really, I think, make Roy, Roy. How how difficult would that guy be to replay? Like what I said early

in the year when Indiana came open was I actually think it's a great job, not just because it has great history and passion. The facilities have been redone. Maybe not to perfection but they've been redone in Indiana. But you're not following Bob Knight, right? Like you're following Archie Miller who followed

Tom Crean and they had different teams that were pretty good, but you're not following. what would that like to be to follow a guy who, though they've had two disappointing years of late, he's won three national championships in 903 games, and 80% of his games at Kansas and Carolina, like,

what would that guy be like to follow? That's a great question, Doug. You know, years ago, I was up for a job. It was a colonial job. I would think I was at North Dakota State, and Dave Odom said, you know, Timmy, it's not the job you take, it's who you follow. And I think, you know, true words,

of an old veteran coach to a younger coach at that time, just starting in Division I. I mean, you look at North Carolina following Roy, I don't know how you do it, unless it's just some, you know, like Grand Slam hire Brad Stevens, you know, one of the kingpins of basketball, really, college or pro. Otherwise, you feel like it's got to be somebody in the family. Like, you know, they did that with Matt Doherty after Guth and Dean Smith, and then they finally got Roy to come back, and now how you follow an icon like that, boy, that's going to be Bubba Cunningham's challenge.

Tim Miles joining us here in the herd, Doug Gottlieb filling in. Chris Beard leaves Tech for Texas. Give me your thoughts on the idea of it's not just leaving Tech, but they're in the same league, right? And if you heard the comments from Kirby Holcutt, their athletic director, like, he wasn't happy about it. He's like, look, man, we fought tooth and nail to get you to keep you. And then you leave. On the other hand, like everybody has a dream job and Texas opens a new arena in a year.

That's a damn good place. Give me your thoughts as a coach who's been through the decisions of do I stay, do I go, on Beard leaving tech to go to Texas? Yeah, I think there's got to be a compelling reason to leave. And I think there's no doubt with, you know, Chris Beard wouldn't have taken Indiana or Oklahoma, in my mind, that the only job he probably would take is Texas. He'd had other chances to leave. The fact that he left for this job, one tells you, you know, I think he wanted to, well, I think he went to Texas, too. But he wanted to centralize his recruiting. Austin's such a great town.

and so attractive, the University of Texas and everything that goes with it. And Texas Tech is a little bit of an outpost. It's a remote location. It's a bigger challenge. And to keep it that the standard he has been is going to be a bigger and bigger challenge, I think, every year for him. Because, you know, let's face it, he hit out of the park early going to the championship game is, what, second or third year or whatever it was.

So, you know, I think when you just look at it, you know, logically, the fact that was Texas probably mattered to everything. And the fact that, you know, he's kind of raised the bar with his own brand, the Chris Beard type of basketball. And you're more likely to do that at a University of Texas and New York, Texas Tech, not to Texas Tech. It's not a good job as Texas. But it's not as good a job as Texas.

And I'm sure they threw a boatload of money at him, too. Yeah. Is that the lesson, like when you took Nebraska, you had it rolling at Colorado State. And Nebraska, for people who don't know, they had the most insanely nice brand-new facilities. Like the practice facility for basketball is insane. the arena is ridiculous. So you go in there, you're like, man, we could do this. And then you're like, well, wait a second.

Hold on. Michigan's in this league. They have John B-line. Michigan State's in this league. They have Tom Izzo, right? Ohio State's got Chris Holman. They always have dudes like they're coming at you. Like Indiana may be down, but they're still Indiana.

How much of when you take a job has to do with the job itself, as opposed to where it fits in the pecking order in the conference? Yeah, so you always want a job, taking a job that's on the lower end of the threshold, you're like, okay, how do we elevate it? For instance, when I took Nebraska knowing it's on the lower end of the threshold in the Big Ten, the facilities are top five in the country. When you add the practice facility, the players lounge, locker room, and of course the new arena, which is an NBA-style arena, which, and then we have fans draw, too.

We were going to get fans. And so now you sit there and think, okay, we've got a niche. even in this tough, tough league, maybe we can make it happen. And, you know, we did make some good plays. Unfortunately, we just didn't make the NCAA tournament enough to keep our job. And that happens. It's a big boy business. And there was somebody really attracted, you know, sitting out there,

so I was low-hanging fruit, let's face it. And that's the price of doing business. So you have to consider those things. A guy like Craig Smith, who just left Utah State, which is a very good Mountain West job. Sure. for Utah, which has unbelievable resources, same way. Utah has a great basketball state.

When you look at him going into the Pac-12 and the Pac-12 success, like I told him, I'm like, boy, you took a heck of a time during the Pac-12, brother. But he knows what he's getting into, and he knows who he is and what he can do. And I think, you know, coaches, especially coming off big years, you kind of feel like you're 10 feet tall and bulletproof, too. You've got this extreme confidence level that you're going to be able to get it done. and and I you know as a competitor you're just like hey I can do this regardless you know yeah no no every coach every coach thinks they're gonna like like you wouldn't give me this job

unless you thought I could win and I know I can win if just a question can I get the right guys and they do what I want if they do what I want will win right that's the ego of a competitor and of course none of you guys would be into coaching none of us would be in these businesses if we weren't ultra competitive but you also have to be kind of smart and balanced Tim Miles joining us here in the herd. You know, you coached at North Dakota State, at Colorado State, at Nebraska along the way. When was the first time you remember Gonzaga?

Because my memories were I was in school, I was playing at Oklahoma State, and we get done doing whatever, and I go up into my first year there, it was 97, 98, and I'd flip on late at my dorm room at Bennett Hall, and I'd watch WCC basketball, which I kind of grew up watching. I'd never even known anything about Gonzaga,

only that John Stockton went there. That's it. That's all I knew. I knew John Stockton went there, that's it. And I watched this guy, Matt Santangelo. I was like, I kind of had a little bit of a crush on Matt Santaglo, because we were point guards at the same time. I was like, man, that guy plays free.

I like this team. When was the first time you happened upon with Gonzaga basketball? Almost the same time. And so I had a college friend whose girlfriend had went to Gonzaga for a year. And I'm like, where's Gonzaga? Oh, it's a Catholic school. It's really cute. It's up in Spokane, and it was great. And our basketball team's pretty good. And I'm like, really? This is like in the late 80s, early 90s.

Well, then when Dan Munson took that team to the Tweet 16th, and they beat, if you remember, and unfortunately for Gopher fans, they'll remember. But Clem Haskins and the academic scandal hits the front page the day before, the day of the game that Gonzaga is going to play, and Dan Munson is going to play. Minnesota, and they upset them, and then they end up in the Sweet 16 months and ends up with the job. From then on, I started watching. Also met Mark View in Casper, Wyoming at a Region 9 tournament one time.

This was back when you handed each other business cards. And I have to say their bulldog was less than enamoring because I kept the business card forever. I don't know. Now I put all my junk in storage jug, so I'm not sure where it is anymore, but I had that card forever and she'd give it back to Mark one of these days. because it was pretty much your bare-bones business card. But I just remember them being, you know, recruiting the same guys.

We were recruiting, honestly, when we were at North Dakota State. Now, we couldn't beat them on anybody. But, you know, now to look at their level of getting like Jaylen Suggs and Drew Kimmy and these guys, and to see how long it's taken them to sustain success and how they've had to go everywhere in the world to do it, where now they can get the bona fide top five, top 10 high school play. in the U.S., they hadn't done that. Think of this, how successful they've been. And it's only until recently that they've been able to nail those U.S. high school kids

that were, you know, turning down Kansas and Duke and everywhere else. They go to Gonzaga. I propose this start of the year, Gonzaga or the field, and people, everybody said, I'm crazy. Now all of a sudden they're coming back around. Look, Baylor is, they're probably a 1B to the 1A. but if I were to say Gonzaga is at least, you know, five to seven points better than the other three teams in the final four. Is that too bold a statement?

No, no, it's not. And, you know, at the time, I probably would have said, Doug, you're crazy, too, just like everybody else. But now when you just watch him, I mean, you watch through Timmy, and it looks like he's just out there kind of jacking around. It's so easy for him. and it's like child's play, you know, and he is that talented, because it's not that easy, folks. I mean, he makes it look much, much easier than it is. You know, I mean, they've got Kisper with shooting. They have thugs.

They've got, I mean, they've got everybody. They've got everything you need, and they're power-powered on offense. They're very crafty and smart on defense. You know, I think you would have to maybe take UCLA and Baylor and combine those two teams, and you might beat them. Yeah. The other part that's really kind of impressive, I mean, Drew, I mean, also, people think because he has a mustache and he's a white kid at Gonzaggy, he's got to be like a sixth-year senior. Like, he's a sophomore.

He's a sophomore. But they also... Your mom's still young at him, Doug. They took Andrew Nebhardt from Florida, right? Aaron Cook comes out the bench from southern Illinois. Like, they've added in smartly with some of these transfers, especially the Nemhart thing. How hard is it? Like, Nebraska, that's a job where you had to take transfers, right?

How hard is it with the portal and the speed that you have to make a decision, especially when you're trying to establish a culture? How hard is it to really truly evaluate what you're going to get in a transfer? Well, the thing about a transfer is usually at least he's got a track record on the college level where you kind of know what you're getting. You know, you know, they have high school staff. They've either made it or not made it at the college level. So you've got some, you know, like was he stuck behind a star, player. You know, we knew, for instance, Andrew White, the only way Bill Self could play him was be a stretch four. But we could offer him a wing spot, you know what I mean? And he ended up

actually grad transferring after two-year stuff and being all-ACC. We knew exactly what we were getting, which is a great, great shooter and a strong defensive rebounder, and that's what he was. But he didn't have any really measurable stats in a couple seasons, but he still had enough AAU experience and everything else that you kind of knew exactly what you were getting. The hardest part is just retaining your talent, really. Right now is just retaining that nucleus of your team that can go on and build it. And those teams are able to do it, I think are going to be most successful, of course. How impressed are you with UCLA? I mean, they're a team, Tim Miles, our guest. I mean, for people who don't know UCLA, their best inside player, Chris Smith,

he goes down with a torn ACL. You know, one of their best players, Lee's mid-eastern. year. And then Dacia Knicks, who, when they got the job, and I don't know, I know Mike Lewis, who's their assistant, your former assistant, both of our close friend, when they got the job, that was like their number one target. It's like, we want to get this kid, Dation Nix from Vegas, Star Point Guard, it'll make everybody better. They get him, and then in the spring last year, he decides to go to the G-League select thing. So, consider that three of what would have been their top five aren't there, and yet they start first four beat Michigan State.

And then they take down Michigan in absolute war the other day. How impressed are you with the job that Mick and his crew have done? Yeah, you talk about Deshaun, Nick. I actually called the NBA office. I know a guy there, and I'm like, what is going on with this GILA thing? They're picking guys right off campus, essentially. This kid's signed for five, six months. What's going on, you know?

I was not happy about that. And Mick has been outspoken, not happy about that, too. And I thought it was a total disservice to college basketball from the NBA. But besides that, this is a Mick Cronin. special. Chip on your shoulder, gritty, tough team, rock solid defensively, rebounds well enough. The kids get along well. They've rallied around each other. And all those losses, do you feel for Chris Smith? And you and I both tweeted where Michael Lewis gives him a hug and the kid sobs on his shoulder, I've even choked me up right now because he's sitting there

looking at it helpless. And I know what Michael Lewis is telling him, we're not here if it wasn't for you. And nobody feels like that because they're injured. They're not able to help. But there's a lot of things that Chris Smith has done to allow them to elevate their game and put them in that position and attract other recruits like Johnny Zanzang or whoever it might be to get that done. But it doesn't feel that way. And so that was a really moving, compelling moment. I tell you to check either Doug's Twitter or mind of see that video. It's pretty emotional.

But this is a Mick Cronin special. Tough team, just doing the dirty work. I remember we beat Mick one year in Lincoln. 56-54, Doug, double overtime. Double over time. That was the game, and this is no joking matter, but he had the stroke and had to shut it down for the year, if people remember.

And I'm like, you know, I apologize to him. I'm sorry. I didn't know us beating you would do that to you, but it was one of those things, man. You've been doing the studio, you've been doing the games for two years now. What's your level of itch to get back in? Yeah, I think I got to get back in here eventually.

I just miss it so much. You know how it is, Doug. It's great to be at the games, and it's really fun to call the games and voice your opinion. I just sound like crap. You know, my voice isn't very good. I don't have a great command of the English language to see all the cool stuff like you and Steve laughing and everybody else. Oh, Mr. Miles, you're great, don't you?

Don't say that. You're like Shishvsky and Beheim. That's what I'd have to do to get by. I just scream at the mic like Dicky. But you know what? I want to coach. There's just nothing like being a part of the team and competing. And I remember telling, I think I did a Boise, Nevada game this year,

and I told Leon Rice, he'd lost on the last second shot. I said, Leon, you know what I miss? I miss that feeling. Yeah. No. I miss misery. Yes, no, listen, it's crazy. I told us to Urban Meyer when he came to work.

at Fox, I said, I knew when you were at ESPN, what you were going to get back in? He said, how'd you know? I said, you went and did the games, you don't go do the games. If you go do the games. If you're in the studio, you don't really feel it. You know, you're just in a studio and it's really nice. You're just watching games of monitor. If you're there, this is how sick basketball and football people are. If you're there, you'd rather be in the losing locker room on that miserable bus ride home and figure out how to fix it over the next couple days. then you would be flying first class back to your home because when you do broadcasts, you don't win, there's no win, there's no loss.

And you may have thought you did a great job, but all matters is what your boss thought, right? No, no doubt, no doubt. You nailed on the head there. Tim, who plays Monday night real quick? Yeah, you know, I just see, I think it's Gonzaga, Baylor, and I think it's Gonzaga now, let's just, all the stuff we've said, Remember, folks, this is a one and done situation, not an NBA series of seven. If it was an NBA series of seven, this thing would already be done.

But anything can happen, but I think it's Baylor and Gonzaga, and it's Gonzaga winning it. Tim, great stuff. Can't wait to see you on the sidelines calling games or coaching a team next year. Really appreciate you join us, and we'll both be pulling for our boy Mike this weekend. Thanks for joining us. Thanks, my man. All right, that's Tim Miles, former head coach. NDSU at CSU.

Foco is an underrated college town. Great place. Good coffee, too, by the way. Just good coffee. And Nebraska, where I enjoyed winning a great deal. Let's get you to, let's get you, uh, uh, the news of Ryan music, right? No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Oh, Doug, off to a good start. Humble brags and coffee talk. I like it. I like some coffee. Let's, uh, another day here. And, uh, very, fitting with you. We have back-to-back days of some breaking news in college football,

or college basketball, I should say. Sorry. Bill Self and Kansas have agreed on a lifetime contract. Real quick on the details. Yeah, I saw the details. Five-year deal. Automatically renews for another year. Yeah, it just keeps going. Pays of the minimum of three million a year. How do you get that done? Yes. We've buried the leave. Yes. Devil is always in the details, Doug. Written into the contract. Can't fire him for cause for the infractions that he's currently accused. That's correct. So here's. So here's. So if you're not following it, it's okay. Basically, with all this recordings of people's voices,

Bill Self is actually recorded, but not recorded saying any sort of dollar offer, but there's some inferences made. There's some. So it's very nod, nod, wink, wink, kind of without. This is the way things are done sort of thing. I need to get me some players and the other guys. But again, a lot of that is basketball talk, which is we'll take care of you. A lot of take care of you.

What does take care of you mean? Right. And then the guy from, I think it was Adidas, responded saying, it was like, I've never let you down before. Right. Right. I'm going to get this thing done. But there is no, there's no, hey, smoking deal or whatever, make him a big ass offer. There's no, I'll give you 50 grand.

Or there's no $100, right. Gotley. Okay. So basically, Kansas is like, look, whatever you're going to do, he's our guy. I also think that, one, his deal was up in a year. Okay. Two, this is a big thing. Bill Self is an unbelievable coach.

Remember they won like 13 straight big 12 regular season titles. He's one national championship there. Like no one could ever do what Roy Williams did at Kansas until Bill Self did better. That's exactly what's happened. So we can't lose sight of that. You know, personally, Bill's a friend of mine. So I have a little bit of a blind spot for him. I don't think this is as blatant abrasing of this is generally kind of how it's worked recently,

which is you don't have to say anything. thing, guys just want to help you get players, and however they help you get players, so be it, right? That's at that level of recruiting. And I don't, I haven't experienced that myself. So I can't tell you unequivocally if money is involved or if you're just taking care of guys, AAU teams, which is kind of how things always worked or whatever. But I also think we're missing that this came down, and now granted, these deals don't get done just overnight. But it comes down right after Carolina comes open. He did work for Larry Brown.

That's Carolina family. Bubba Cunningham is the AD at North Carolina. He was at Tulsa beforehand. Not when Bill was there, but Bill Self is the biggest sports figure in Tulsa, period. So there's a relationship there.

There's knowledge of him. Do I think he called? Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. There's been talk about Bill Self to the NBA. This seals it. He'll be the Kansas coach

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Okay, this is a little heads up to you. Knowing people who have been minority owners in the National Football League, there's really very little benefit from it. It just is. It's one of those things where you get to, you get the rights to purchase a suite before other people, but that's really about all you get, right? You get to say like, hey, we, but you don't get any.

say in the team. So if you thought Dan Snyder was selling and now he's buying those shares and he's not buying them at the rate that which if you ever sold the team which he never will, it would actually be in terms of value because there's just not value in it.

So Dan Snyder not selling and Riverboat Ron is not buying a quarterback. Quote, I say that just because if you put all the other pieces into place. Now you start going forward. When that guy does show up, when that guy is in the right position, you can grab him. I went through it the other way. My first dentist head coach in Carolina.

We drafted the guy of the future for us in the first round. At that point, we did not put all the other pieces around Cam Newton. That's the, hey, we're going to draft a guy and then build a team round. That's kind of what the Jets tried to do with Sam Donald. yet they just never accumulated the pieces. Now the Jets are like, now we can get the pieces and the player. Or you could actually keep Sam Darl.

You could trade out of that place and you get even more pieces if you want it. But this is why Riverboat Ron is doing what he's doing. He's like, look, so if you look at Washington, look at Washington. What do they have? How do they make the playoffs? Their front four is filthy. Right?

Chase Young is. he's an incredible football player. Incredible. Like, I'm not going to say he and he alone got him to the playoffs. I would say that those four do, that front four, maybe front seven, like, they're as good as that front four is as good as anything out there. That won't win your game. That'll keep you in a lot of games.

And knowing that, he's like, why would I go and reach for a quarterback and try and, Ryan Fitzpatrick's fine. Taylor Honeykees, fine. And without a guy who I know is a dude, I got so many other pieces. This is how I think a lot of NFL teams are going to be built. This appears to be what the Patriots are doing. Forget about the quarterback. Like to get a free agent quarterback or even to get one that somebody wants to get rid of,

you're going to pay $20, $30 million. Patriots are paying $3.5 to CAM. Then maybe they draft a guy. Or maybe they just stick with, and then they build the rest of the roster. Then when they find the guy, now you go for the guy. And he got everything else in place. Got everything else in place. You know, Russell Wilson wasn't the guy when he got to Seattle.

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