The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/02/2021 - HOUR 3 - Kyle Shanahan's Challenge, Adam Morrison, No Apologies

Episode Date: April 2, 2021

In this hour of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Doug Gottlieb--in for Colin--delves into San Francisco head coach Kyle Shanahan's biggest challenge yet. Also, two-time NBA champion and former Gonzaga All-American Adam Morrison joins Doug to discuss this year's unstoppable Gonzaga team as well as his emotional exit from the NCAA Tournament. Finally, Best For Last: "I Will No Longer Apologize For..." Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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However you may be making this part of your day, thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb. In for Colin Cowherd. Fatty. You guys watched baseball yesterday? So good to take a nap to baseball. Baseball's on. Can we stop the count?

The Angels are 1-0. They're in first place. They're undefeated. We're good. You good in a baseball year? I'm good. I'm good. You know, Dodgers lose, angels win.

I'm good. I'm teasing, of course. We got a final four in front of us, and I'll be interested to catch up with Adam Morrison, who he did a pod with me. By the way, if you haven't downloaded my All Ball podcast, what are you waiting for? I have one with Adam Morrison,

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Kansas gave Bill Self a lifetime contract. There's a famous book. Do you guys remember Jim Valvano, Jimmy V? Jim Valvano wrote a book. They gave me a lifetime contract. Then they declared me dead. They actually got fired from NC State. But there's some, a clause in there,

which is really, really, really interesting. Really interesting. We'll get to that. coming this hour. So, you know, the Mets and the Nats were postponed yesterday. Obviously, COVID's still a major factor. But I wanted to get to this in regards to football. You know, you can do a lot of great things in your life in your career.

But there are moments that stand out that you'll forever be known for. I'm going to use a personal one, which I think is an embarrassing moment. I shouldn't be embarrassed by it because it was something that I felt like was being silly and it'll cause people to look at me in a weird way. So I was at ESPN for 10 years 9 in Bristol and I left to work at CBS and I want to do the funnel for. Anyway. So I got a chance to do the Final Four and I was doing the Sweet 16 and I never met. I knew Charles Barkley. I knew Kenny a little bit.

I had a former radio producer who produced his Series XM stuff and was good friends of mine. So like there was a cordial. and I'd work with Greg Anthony a couple of times. Greg Gumboyd worked with plenty. He was super friendly. So that was the crew I was rolling with. And I did a radio show, similar to my radio show here. And I got done at 6 o'clock and we were on air at 7 o'clock before like the 715 tip.

Right. And I went and did the radio show after mine. And I said, hey, my first line is going to be like, hey, man, I'm just here to, to be the token white guy, bring a little diversity to have opinion here, right? Like, I thought that would be funny. And it was actually a line which somebody had told me when I knew the crew I was working with.

It was like funny. It's like ironic. I thought it was. And they laughed. And no one said, hey, you know, you shouldn't say that on TV. But I didn't, we didn't have a pre-show meeting. And I kind of butcher the line.

And I was like, hey, fellas, don't worry about me. I'm just here to give the white guy's perspective, right? and that's it. There was no reaction. Barkley claims he was like three seats over. Somebody in his ear couldn't hear. Kenny didn't hear what I said. Gumble said he didn't hear it.

It was just like a halo, hello guys. And Greg Anthony, no reaction at all. Like, oh boy. Now, if you go back and watch the segment, like the greatest, the thing I take great pride in is, the rest of the segment we actually talked hoops and it was part of the conversation. and it was me and it was interactive.

And yes, in the break, I saw my career flash before my eyes because, you know, people on social media took it to be some racial joke or whatever, which it was, but it was more like self-deprecating, I thought, I don't know. I went to the Final Four and, like, we interviewed Floyd Mayweather. And this is before he fought Mani Pacquay out. And I was the only guy to go like, hey, are you going to fight Mani Payne? Hackia? Like it was a question everybody wondered and he kind of didn't really give an answer, but I asked the hard question. I know I performed really, really well. But that was like my

signature moment. It was like my first. And I thought, I just assumed, hey, like CBS, I've been on CBS. I've been doing this for a decade. Everybody knows I'm just messing around. But as it was explaining to me, like, yeah, you have like 95% of your audience doesn't actually know anything. thing about basketball until that very moment of the NCAA tournament. Like, oh, I didn't really realize that. Anyway, this is a big thing. It became like my signature moment and I couldn't escape it. Fair?

Okay. Kyle Shanahan is walking himself into that same signature moment. He's been to two circles. One is an offensive coordinator. One is a head coach. Both he's led in the fourth quarter. Both his teams have given away those leads and lost. Now to this moment, those overshadow, like we do have a tendency to go like, well, they're up 28 to 3 and the Super Bowl like, yeah, but they got to the Super Bowl with the Falcons and they were up 28 to 3.

Yes, they shouldn't have kept going for it. They should have kicked a field goal and gone up 31 to 3 and it probably would have been it and run the football and shorten the game, but they didn't. Okay. All of those things, all of those things are interesting and accurate and fair, but he's known for those things. Now he's going to be known for he had a quarterback who took him to a Super Bowl who's under contract. And he's going to jettison him for whomever he drafts at number three. It is a defining moment of his career. And I know what you're saying. The defining moment should be he helped take the Falcons to the Super Bowl and he took the Niners to the Super Bowl. Those should be, that's for me, my defining moment should be like, I was good enough to get there.

I know what I'm good at. I know I can generate some conversation. I know that I'm quirky and funny. And I know all the things that I can do. But I have, that was like a signature moment, right? It's like I played against Roy Williams. We beat him by 34, or 33, excuse me, the next year. Beating my 33 and 19 my senior year.

But I am forever known for we played Roy Williams and I had my shorts on backwards. We played in Foggownfield. It was true story. First half of the game. playing against Kansas, super excited, big Monday. It's the only time I played in Lawrence because back then the Big 12, they were in the north. We were in the south. You'd play them once a year instead of twice.

And so I was only there three years, right? Sophomore years at home, junior year was there. And then we played in the Big 12 tournament in Kansas City. And then senior year we played at our place and in Kansas City as well. But no one knows I hit two-threes in that game. I turned down a shot that could have won the game. We lost an overtime. Crazy call.

Nobody knows. The only thing he knows is that shorts on backwards. That's the signature moment. This is his signature moment. And this is the one that he's prepared for. Like that, my moment, I prepared my whole career for that run on CBS. And one thing I said got taken as some sort of ill-time joke. I guess it was an ill-time joke wasn't needed.

But I don't know. It wasn't that big a deal to me. It just wasn't. But it's like also you grew up watching those guys on inside the NBA. You're like, oh, you feel like they know you, you know them, you know their personality, you can bust chops of them.

Like, yeah, we just met you, dude. Kyle's prepared for this his whole life. Dad was the coach. He won two soupals. You know, he's roommates with Chris, Chris Sims. He's evaluated. The second he got done playing at Texas, he went right into the field.

And they made Matt Schauben to more than a, just a starter, kind of a quasi-star for a while until like, remember when the bottom fell out of Matt Schaub and he couldn't stop throwing pick-sixes? Was it six games in a row he threw a pick-six? That is an insane, really hard to top negative stat. Six games in a row of pick-six? That's crazy. Anyway, he made him into a good quarterback. Kirk Cousin, same thing. Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan's never been an MVP, but that one year he had him, like, The two of them, it was incredible. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo, incredible.

So it's not for lack of preparation. It's not that he's not equipped for it. But better get the right one. Better pick the right one. You know, you pick Mack Jones, and he's not good enough, and everybody's like, dude, he's just not athletic enough, and he just doesn't move well enough.

his ball's not, right? And Justin Fields goes and becomes the next Mahomes or Deshaun. Good luck with that. You just don't escape it. You don't escape that one signature all-in move. I know I am living proof. I got it. I can.

Like I, you know, it's kind of like to me, your life should be like golf. How many strokes under par are you? Right? Like, yeah, you're going to have one of those holes that you, you know, your army golf. Left, right, left, right. Put me down for an eight. That's more like an 11, right. But, okay, you have one snowman. You have one eight. What do the rest of it? Like, that's how I, but that's not how the world doesn't work that way. The world gets hyper-focused on that one big decision on that one big hole. All right. If you're teeing off to play golf on a Saturday with your buddies, we're all going to determine whether or not you can play based upon your t-shot

on number one. That's what we're going to do. So it's a big moment for Kyle. And I do wonder if he's, you get a little, anybody can get, and I probably, this is probably me, you get a little full of yourself because people like, wow, you're funny, you're fun, you're captivating. You kind of think you can say anything and do anything and all your analysis is going to be good and whatever. It's the same thing for Kyle.

Everybody telling him how great, how unbelievably great his evaluation of quarterback is, his offense is, you start to believe it. Enough people tell you, you're amazing. You're going to believe you're amazing. So I just wonder if that's

where we are with Kyle Shanahan. Maybe he gets checked because of it. Michael Lombardi wrote this in The Athletic. When the 49ers traded away two first and a third to move up nine spots in the draft, they made that move based on the conviction of one man, their head coach, Kyle Shanahan. No one in the building has enough knowledge or understanding the quarterback position to sway

Shanahan away from selecting his guy. Kyle won't be wishful thinking. His informed expert opinion will be rooted in what he believes is essential for the quarterback position. Listen, you can even get the pick right and it not work out. You know, you can get the pick right. Like I've said this, people, and we're going to get to this later in the hour, people, continue to come at me because

when Steph Curry declared for the NBA draft, I said I thought that Ricky Rubio had more upside. I did. At the time, at the time, I was wrong. You know, you're allowed to be wrong. I didn't know he's going to be a two-time MVP.

No idea. Transcendant player in the NBA. You know, I like Johnny Flynn's athleticism more. Now, Johnny Flynn was a good draft. But did anybody know, he's going to hurt his hip or that he's going to be put in the triangle offense, which if you're a ball screen point guard, it's the worst possible offense for you. You combine those two things and his pro career, especially the hip, was debilitated and short-lived.

And it's like forget about the fact that the guy that drafted Steph Curry didn't get to reap the benefits of Steph Curry. They offered up Steph Curry in a trade. They told him Milwaukee Bucks, hey, Monta Ellis or Steph Curry for Andrew Boggart. You pick one. So not only did they not know, but the Bucks didn't know. The Bucks could have had Steph Curry. And they like, nah, we'll take Montalas. The rest, as they say, is history.

You can make the right pick and not get a chance to see it all the way through. But for Kyle Shanahan, he has spent his entire career evaluating and trying to find the perfect quarterback. Now he has, he knows who's going number one, number two. They didn't have to do this, but he's clearly identified. somebody he thinks is a perfect fit, he better be right. He better be right. All right, we're going to get you ready for the final four. Our next guest is synonymous, synonymous with, I think, three things.

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If I say Gonzaga, there's like, two guys two guys that come to mind two guys one would be Dan Dickow the other would be Adam Morrison fair

okay when I say UCLA obviously there's historic players when I say UCLA and Gonzaga you're like oh Adam Morrison God that was that was rough that was in Oakland right so

UCLA and Gonzaga are going to play in the final four tomorrow. We just so happen to be lucky enough to get Adam Morrison to join us here in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Adam, first, how are you? Good. How are you doing? Good. It's interesting, you know.

I mean, your college career was amazing. You were kind enough to do that pod with me. By the way, it's all ball. You can download the podcast. Adam took us through kind of everything. But no matter all the awards and all of the points and the 28 a game and the dominating college basketball,

you're forever known for that game. What do you remember about the game in Oakland in 2006? I think I remember just, you know, obviously we were up 15 with about five minutes ago, and, you know, a lot of things had to go right for UCLA, and they did. And, you know, I still would go to my grave thinking that J.P. Patis, they got filed on that steel.

because he was an 85% free-row shooter. So when I passed to him on that double team, we were expecting him to get foul. Unfortunately, they stole the ball and laid it up. And then the rest was history for me. So, yeah, it's funny. I was sitting on our broadcasts because, you know, I do the games for Gonzaga, and I mentioned in our post-game show.

I mean, I really hope Michigan win, so I'll have to relive this thing over again. And unfortunately, for myself, UCLA, came through, and it's going to be an interesting matchup on Saturday. Okay, so do you want them to, like, they get up 15? Do you want them to sweep the leg and just run it up and go for it? Because, you know, like common practices, like, AAU, you know, you get up 25. Like, I cough the dogs. You want them to sweep the leg and just less than 15 is not enough, boys.

No, I mean, that stuff. I mean, it was 15 years ago, obviously, for me. And, you know, few in the staff have elevated the program beyond that, obviously. So, you know, obviously I want us to win these kids. have had such a fantastic season, but it's just so funny. It just morphs into UCLA coming from first four and making out of that bracket. So, yeah, I mean, a blowout. I mean, we've won by 24 in every game this tournament, so it wouldn't be surprising,

but UCLA's playing with House Money. Obviously, a very good team with Drew Zang. I like that kid. He's good, too, and I think I like that little point guard, Campbell, is good. So we'll see. It should be an interesting match-up. Yeah, Tiger Campbell, he looks straight out of a roster. poster back from my college

college days, right? Doesn't he? Like he has, I mean, it's really, really amazing the hair, the look, the whole thing. There is definitely some Rasta swag there. Oh, absolutely. You know, a little Bob Marley and, you know, and everything's legalized now.

So, you know, it's okay to have that mindset. But he did a fantastic job keeping those Michigan guards out of the paint. So I think that's going to be one of the keys when we play him is how that match between him and Suggs and our other guards go if we can get into the paint, it'll be good for us. But if you can keep us out of the pain, it'll be a little more difficult offensively.

And I don't know, do you guys have a text chain with like all the Santangelo's, the Richie Fromms, the Dickows, the Casey Cavalries? Like, are you on that text chain? No, not really. Those guys were before me. I know. They were kind of the era that started it all. So they had more success as a group than my groups did. So they're kind of, in my view, they're held in higher regard as far as Gonzaga stand.

So, no, I don't really talk about the games with them, I guess. I guess the question, Adam, is this, like, if they win on Monday night, is it, do you guys all feel, or do you personally feel like a part of it, right? And I know if you've done a great job, do you feel a part of it? In a minute sense. As far as helping the program, I guess, you know, with those elite eight runs and then my group, you know, elevating it to a national prominence, I guess you could say. But, you know, during this whole season and then obviously the UCLA game coming up,

I kind of feel bad because some of the attention goes back to that last game in my era. And it's like these kids are, you know, 30. and her fantastic basketball team. So I think all of us will feel a little bit, you know, like we've done a little bit for the program, but these guys have taken it to a whole different level. They're so much better than our older teams. And I don't like even saying that, but it's the truth.

They just play a better brand. It's coming out of high school, and, you know, they've taken the program to heights that a lot of us didn't think it could go. So we're all proud of them for real. And it's time for us. to get shoved off the Mount Rushmore of Gonzaga and put these guys up there if they can win on Monday. Plus, Drew Timmy's facial hair was much better than your facial hair. Let's just be honest.

His handle of our mustache is such more ingrown than mine was. Mine was wispy and tough, you know, tough to look at when I look back and show my kids of my playing days. I usually show them the freshman and sophomore year highlight tapes and skip the junior year. Yeah, no, listen, I had a little chin thing going on there too for a while in college. and I did the frosted tips one year, the start of a year before my coach, maybe. Yeah, and you're just like, God, what was I? What was I doing?

Whereas Timmy, I felt like Timmy took the match up with Evan Mobley personally. Like, I thought he's like, he's like, am I wrong? Because he's like, not only do I want to kick his ass because I normally like to kick guy's asses, but people think he's the top five draft pick? Like, I'm a sophomore. And he just went at him, went right at him. Well, I think it was a huge game. for his stock, for Timmy, if he chooses to leave this year or next year,

he had to go against an NBA-type body, an NBA athlete inside single coverage. And we really haven't faced that this year. I mean, he's had great games in the tournament, but he hasn't played an NBA body. And so he, you know, came out with the right mindset. And he was really good defensively on the perimeter. He started the game with two steals and kind of got him going and transition. So, yeah, he really took it to heart, I think. and, you know, understood.

It was kind of like the Domus, the Bonus, the Yacopurdo game, when they said Yacopoldo was a better player than Domus was about five, six years ago in the tournament. Same situation. And Domus took a personally draft stock. I think Timmy had the same mindset of, all right, I need to really show the next level that I have a chance to play at that level.

So you're an excellent job of kind of dominating the whole interior of that game. You know, it's interesting. Adam Morrison's our guest. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Coward. this to hurt on Foxportrade of the IHeart radio app. It's interesting that I feel that like there's a competitiveness to the program that is real, right?

And most places have that, right? Where you're like, oh, that guy's something. Wait, let me show him. But there's kind of competitive dudes there. What's interesting, it's not that Fuey's not competitive. But, you know, like if he loses on Saturday, he'll be super bummed and upset for the kids. but then it'll be fly fishing like two days later.

Like he has a balance about it. How does the, because a program usually, usually is, looks like the head coach, right? Feels like the head coach. But Mark appears to be one of the nicest, genuine,

calmest human beings on earth. And yet you guys have these vicious competitors. How does that balance take place? Well, I think he's going to coach you, but you're never going to get MF or anything like that. So that's, So that's first or foremost when you come in. So, you know, he's going to get on you.

He's going to, you know, teach you the right ways to play and make sure he's, you know, he always says squeezing the last 5% out of you as far as the players go. So I think he recruits guys that are, you know, culture guys. But then he has a pretty good lifestyle. And it's not, there's not, you know, there's pressure, but there's not a lot of pressure, like a football school or Power 5 conference to where, you know, you have to. to produce, which he always does. So I think he just has a calmness over the program,

but a lot of it has to do with the guys they recruit. I mean, it sounds cliche, but he recruits culture guys. He recruits guys that are gym rats. He recruits basketball-first-oriented guys that are, you know, want to make something of their career. And especially in the older days, we were all kind of diamonds in the rough or overlooked type of players. And he's kept that same attitude with how he recruits.

and yeah, no, he's done an excellent job of morphing himself into a different, you know, mindset as a coach. I mean, he was a little more intense. I think when I was there, now he's a little more laid back. I think going to USA basketball really helped him being around like Beheim and Pop and those guys and seeing how they're around five-star recruits, you know what I mean, and dudes. And so he's taken that mindset and really morphed it into the program. and, you know, now they're getting five-star recruits. They've got that kid out of Omaha.

We might get that Chet kid. Hopefully, you know, we're getting dudes now and Jalen Suggs. And so he's done an excellent job of kind of pulling the reins back on his intensity, I think, in the last decade or so. Yeah, if he gets Chet Holmgren, it's a wrap. Gonzaga's officially become Kentucky, right? Like, I mean, lining up. Jalen Suck, you obviously played and played well in the NBA. you've been a part of championship teams.

I remember the story you told me about Kobe and how great he was to you. Jalen Suggs, the NBA comp for you as a guy who's actually played against these all-time greats. Is he Jason Kidd? Like, who do you think? That's a good question because I've battled that myself in my own head. I first was thinking Bradley Biel, but I don't think he scores it well enough. But I think he's similar to Jason Kidd at passing. I think he's a better score than,

Maybe Jason Kidd was, but Jason Kidd didn't have to score in his era at that position. So I think that's probably a fair comp. What's been most oppressive for me with him coming to Gonzaga is he, you know, he could have gone anywhere, obviously. He could have gone to football as well, but he went to Gonzaga to play with other good players and play in the system. And there's been games this year where he's only had five, six, seven shots, but he had eight, nine assists. And usually you get those type of kids if they don't get the numbers. or get the line that they wanted, the parents start complaining, or the kids' body language is bad.

We haven't seen that at all from him. He's been fantastic defensively. The last game against USC was 1610 and 8. I'm really impressed with him as a passer more than anything else, but I think he has a tremendous upside in the pros because they play a pro style and he handles it really well and space the four ball screen with motion and reeds and backcuts and stuff like that and can shoot it.

I think Jason Kidd is a good comp with a little bit better jump shot and finish around the room. Adam, great stuff, man. Look, I know obviously, like, nobody, I discussed it really. Nobody likes to pick apart, like, one spot of a guy's life and career. But that's, unfortunately, that's what people are going to do emotionally. You can be good Saturday when they start showing all those, those re-hears, those highlights? Yeah, no, I'm fine. I put that stuff to bed, honestly, about 10 years ago.

But if you asked me five years after, I probably would have declined the interview. So it's just funny because I knew it was coming up. And I appreciate you guys having me on and stuff like that. But I was just like, man, I just want for these kids, they don't have to talk about my career 15 years later when they're, you know, 30 and O, I would have a chance to win national championship. So it is what it is. But, you know, life goes on.

And, you know, there's worse things to be remembered by than being emotional. the end of a loss, I guess. No question about it. You show me somebody who doesn't cry when they lose. I say, I'm like, I like guys that cry when I lost my last college game. Yeah. Like a baby. Like a baby. I can still, I can still remember every moment, every moment of it, right? Every moment of it I can remember. Yeah, high school. You know, it was the same way we lost to state championship in the locker room as tear fest with everybody.

I mean, I was watching, you know, obviously the tournament, Alabama on the sideline. Those kids were emotional in that, and that lost to UCLA and overtime. So, yeah, it happens. And people don't understand. It's like, you know, I was from Spokane. It was a ballboy there. So it was like one of those deals where, you know, kind of had the pressure on the city as well and to fall up short.

Because we were going to play Memphis, who we lost to earlier in that season. And we felt good about that matchup. And then, you know, like I said, we were up 15, about five minutes ago and about 10 things. Had to go right for UCLA and they all did. You know, Ryan Hollins makes a one-on-one free throw, Jordan Farmer makes a 17-foot running bank shot who was my teammate in L.A. and he always lasts.

He's like, I don't know how I made that. Yeah, so it is what it is, and life goes on. And, you know, if it didn't happen, you know, maybe my life's a little bit different as far as how people remember me. But, you know, like I said, because it did happen, I'm on the hurt, you know, so we're going to talk about basketball. So there's some pros and cons to it, I guess. No, no question. I'm actually, I'm actually actually watching it. Like, what, like, when, when you lose, is there any recollection of everything, anything that happened elsewhere? By the way, like, here's a crazy one. You guys were up three and you missed a shot and you did it right, right? Held to the last second, missed a shot. And then there was a bizarre, like, foul call on JP with 19 points. They didn't, they didn't get fouled going to the basket. They got fouled in their own end.

Yeah. Yeah. It was, like I said, they were. There was so many things I had to go right. The biggest regret I have from that game is that last possession. I think I got a switch on a guard. I think it was Farmore. Yes. I should have bounced them down and try to get to the free throw line or take them better. I took like a fade away, like a 14-footer or something.

That's the one regret when I remember back is I probably should have put my head down because I had a good whistle that whole year and try to get to the free throw line and score. And, you know, maybe we move on. but, you know, it is what it is. Yeah, it is what it is. Gonzaga wins the national title if? We get out in transition. I mean, if we can limit Zhu Zang in this next game,

and I think of Campbell, you know, we can kind of try to get him off the floor, because I thought he was fantastic defensively. But, you know, we're number one in the country, two-point field goal percentage. we're 72% at the rim, and then 34% of our shots have been in transition as a whole. So if we can get out and run, I think we're going to be fine. That USC game scared me with that 2-3 zone, but early in the game we got out and ran and got out in transition and scored at will. So if we can gang rebound like we've been doing and get out in transition, I think we have a good shot as anybody.

Adam, you're a good man for coming on for talking about this stuff. You always been good to me personally, and of course I love calling you. your games back in the day. Can't wait to catch up in person, maybe with the Zags as National Champions, and thanks for being our guest on Foxport Radio. Cool. Thanks, Doug. All right, it's Adam Morrison. And I encourage you to do this, right? You should download that podcast, not just because it was a really good podcast, but it's like he walks you through, like, that emotionally scars you for a long time. I don't know if you have had this

in your life, but, you know, in my life, I, we didn't. lose a close game my last game. It got close. We played Florida. It was in the elite eight. And we, we, the whole thing is we wanted to play Duke because our sophomore years, we had lost to Duke. And they were really young. Jay Williams was just a freshman. And so was done leaving. That team that went on to win a national championship, I think the next year, they were all, they were, they were freshmen mostly that year. And, you know, what end up, would end up happening was we played Florida instead. and Florida was crazy talented.

And we got down early. We came back. We tied the game. And then Mike Miller hit a couple of threes. And that was that was that. And, uh, but you wake up the morning of the lead eight and you just, I'm going to be cutting down nets. I'm going to the final four.

I'd gone to the final four. My entire life as a kid. My dad was a coach. And then all of a sudden now I'm not going to the final four. It's over like that. So yeah, of course. I remember Adam crying on the court and they still had, you know, two seconds or so. to get off a shot.

And they actually got up a decent shot. But like that, it just kind of emotionally scars you. You know? Emotionally scars you. And when you're a person who's fully and completely invested. And that's the only way you're successful in this thing is if guys are completely invested in doing it in winning. When you're completely invested in something, you don't think the possibility of losing.

Plus, they had a big lead. So I do get it. Let's get to Rhymed Music with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Great, great interview there with Adam Morrison, Doug. But we're going to switch.

Epic. Epic. Wack that. Incredible. We're going to switch gears a little bit. Bidominal. Getting to the NFL. NFL insider Mike Girardi is getting a little bit of insight on what we think the 49ers future is going to look like.

I know you and John Middlecock. talked about this a little bit earlier on the Jimmy G dynamic and them trading up to the number three overall pick. Here's what Gerardi had to say. The 49ers are currently asking for a first round pick for Jimmy Garoppolo. Here's their plan. They're going to draft a quarterback at third overall. They're going to let him learn for at least a year in the process,

allowing Garapolo to repair his damaged value after a couple of injury-filled seasons. And that way in 2021, they can try and trade him for a higher pick as opposed to settling for less value right now. Hoping that after Jimmy G. can stay healthy, build up that trade value. They'll be able to get the first round pick that they're looking for. Important to remember,

Jimmy G. has a no trade clause for 2021, which is why they may end up having to wait until after that season until 2022, which will make it obviously much easier to trade him. So that's the plan. That's the plan as of now. I mean, the no trade clause. That just means he can pick his spot.

Correct. Right. But where would he want to go? If teams know that that's where he's setting the market at, are they really going to get the first round pick that they're hoping for? No. I'm not going to first round pick for it. Right?

I mean, they're screwed in the contract they gave him until next year. When they can set them free, there's a bunch of different things, and the cap's going to spike up next year as well. I mean, depending on who they take at number three overall, I know it doesn't create... That means they're going to take Justin Fields or Trey Lance. Trey Lance, right. You're not taking... You take Mac Jones.

You're like, look, we got a ready-made team. We just need to come here and somebody's not going to screw it. Yeah, if you look, look what happened when he had players around him. He just distributes the ball. Alabama was great. But just the lower ceiling, right? Correct, yeah. Like, the thing with, that I was told by several people and the Bears specifically, they're like, look, we had Glennon, but we knew who were drafting.

we were going to play him very close to right away. And we just felt like Mahomes needed a lot of, he needed a lot of work. And if you watch Mahomes at tech, he needed a lot of work. He had bad footwork. He threw his butt. He had just so much talent. You're like, it was really hard.

This is a guy who's going to have to sit. I just don't see, I don't care if he was at their pro day. There is his pro day. I don't see them drafting him Matt Jones. Yeah. You would imagine if this is how it plays out. I see it as you play Jimmy G and if he inevitably gets hurt, okay, maybe you throw the young guy in faster than you had planned on.

Or if he plays well, then you're probably in playoff contention. You don't really need to make a quarterback change at that point. And then, yes, it does help his draft stock? Now, does that rise to the level of a first round draft pick? Who knows? But it does make sense that they probably will go with someone more of a higher-up side, longer-term plan as opposed to a more ready-made quarterback. And that's right music with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. All right, great stuff with Adam Morrison. Coming up next, it always happens right around this time of year. And I'm done apologizing for it. I'll explain next in The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Doug Gottliebend, for Colin. This is The Herd. We saved some stuff. We did. That's why it's the best for last. After almost three hours, Colin apparently hasn't gotten to the point yet. Quit holding out on us, Cowherd. It's the best for last.

All right, trending on Twitter is, I won't apologize for this anymore. It's in relation to Kevin Durant, right? not wanting to apologize for his burner account anymore. I won't apologize for this anymore. So here's what we'll do. We'll contribute to a hashtag, I won't apologize for this anymore.

You ready? Okay. I'm not apologizing anymore for saying Ricky Rubio had more upside than Steph Curry. It was 12 years ago. I missed. I don't need to apologize for it. No one bats a thousand. Plenty of other people shared some sort of

similar opinion, including the Minnesota Timberwolves, granted David Codney got fired. I'm not apologizing for anymore. It happened. We moved on. Like Steph Curry had moved on. This is a true story. My first TV show on CBS Sports Network. It's called Leadoff with Ali LaFource. You can you see Ali in the tournament?

The first night we had a show, we had Steph Curry from his hotel room with his iPad, FaceTiming us, and that was the night he got his contract which was like $11, $44 million, $14 million, which turned out to be a total bargain. He didn't know if he was going to get extended. Helps set the dynasty everything.

So if Steph can get over it, I think you can get over it too. I'm not going to apologize anymore for taking off my shoes. I'm comfortable. I shower daily. I wear clean socks. Okay. I'm not some Neanderthal that's been outworking,

you know, for months on end, unable to change shoes or change socks or wash my feet or whatever. My feet don't smell. My socks don't smell. And oh yeah, by the way, I'm alone in a studio protected by all the COVID regulations. I'm not apologizing for anymore. I'm not apologizing for saying Deadpool is not only my favorite superhero movie, but it should have won the Academy Award for Best Picture the year came out.

Why? It was the best movie that I saw. I'm not apologized anymore for wearing sneakers instead of dress shoes. What was the last time you wore a pair of dress shoes? You ever look in here? I have some great dress shoes. They're called Alden. They're like expensive but handcrafted and incredibly comfortable for dress shoes.

Do you know it's more comfortable than expensive dress shoes? Pretty much any sneaker ever invented. So, not apologizing for wearing sneakers with my suits or just wearing jeans and sneakers with a sport coat. It's in now. but I don't have to apologize for it for being too cash. Oh, and I'm not going to apologize anymore for telling people to never do a 30-year fixed mortgage. You just, do you know anybody your age who's going to live in the same place for 30 years, let alone 10 years or even five years? Yeah.

Do the 5-1-1-arm, save yourself some money. Rates are an all-time low and just say, hey, Gottlieb, right. I'm not apologizing anymore. That's the best for the last. All right. We do have some games upon us tomorrow. The Zags are 14.5 point favorites. That's a lot of points.

It's a lot of points. Do I think UCLA can muck it up and keep it closer? I do. I do. But they got some matchup issues as well. And I think usually the start of these Final Four games

are usually up and down fest. And you don't have any dome adjustment with these games. I mean, I like obviously Gonzaga and Baylor to win. I like Baylor to cover a little bit more than I like Gonzaga to cover, even though they're just Molliwopin teams. But 14.5 is a lot of points. A lot of points. We have a little bit of clarity now on the Garoppolo thing, right?

They're telling everybody we're going to, Mike Garifolo is saying they're going to hold on to them for a year, help them rebuild his stock. to me that signifies it's Trey Lance or Justin Fields. It is not the Mac Jones thing. They went, they took a look. Now they're going to study the other ones. All right, we took a look. He's fine. Not feeling it.

Just not. Ironically, Mac Jones looks and feels like many of the guys that Kyle Shanahan has had success with. He just doesn't look and feel like a guy you'd have success with sitting him for a year, developing for a year, and has the ceiling of a Justin Fields or a Trey Lance. Does that make sense? I mean, drafting it would make total, at 12 it would make sense.

At 3, it just doesn't. Colin is back Monday. Don't celebrate yet. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is The Hurt. One more HARD? The HARD streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHard Radio app.

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app, Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your podcasts A win is a win A win A win is a win I don't care what I'm saying Yep That's me, Clivert Taylor the 4th.

You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Cliford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Cliford Show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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