The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/06/2021 - Best of The Herd
Episode Date: April 6, 2021Colin takes a victory lap predicting Sam Darnold heading to Carolina while saying he gets a second chance because of the Jets disfunction. Zach Wilson will have the support needed to succeed in New Yo...rk with the new acquired draft picks. Aaron Rodgers is an extremely calculated person saying exactly the things he wants to be interpreted. Plus, Colin gives you his new Top 10 Mock NFL Draft picks! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Interesting night, interesting day.
Sam Darnold
Don Zaga Baylor
Joy Taylor is joining me
Joy, how are you?
I'm great.
I won my bets on the game,
so I wasn't upset about that.
And you were the first person I thought of
when I saw that. Sam Darnold news.
Amazing.
This NFL offseason has been the gift that keeps giving.
Yeah, it's great.
It's going to happen.
And by the way, a lot of stories this morning,
Atlanta now number four,
has taken calls they're going to trade that pick.
So let me start with this.
Sam Darnold, we called it yesterday on the show.
We called it last week.
Carolina was the place I was being told they were the most interested.
The story is out after Easter weekend, after the Niners moved up,
Carolina got very, very interested, and they made the move to get Darnold.
First of all, I get it from the Jets perspective, although, according to reports,
a lot of people in the room thought about trading that pick.
But I get it from the Jets perspective.
They get now a rookie quarterback on a rookie quarterback.
contract for four years. The new coach wants his quarterback. The new GM wants his quarterback. I get it.
From the Carolina perspective, it was obvious. We saw it coming. They need a better athlete and
somebody that can push the ball down the field. Matt Rule is an aggressive head coach. He likes to go
big up top with Robbie Anderson and Teddy Bridgewater doesn't have that arm. So I get it.
Here's the interesting thing. In life, forget sports. In life. No,
Nobody thinks your first job is your last job.
If it is, be honest with yourself.
You settled.
Chase the commerce, chase the economy, chase opportunity.
Your first job's lousy.
You move on, get a second job.
It doesn't define you for life.
You're like 22, 23 years old.
In all of our lives, even if you have a very professional job, your first law firm's
not your last.
Your first hospital as a doctor doesn't have to be your last.
But in football at quarterback, not sports,
but specifically in the NFL at quarterback.
If your first job doesn't go well, like Sam Donald with the Jets,
you often get dismissed, ignored, labeled.
And you're 23.
That's how old Sam Darnold is.
23.
I got my first job at 22.
All Sam Darnold has ever deserved is a fair chance.
In New York, his offensive line, his running backs and his receivers all graded,
bottom two in the NFL.
In Carolina, between Matt Rule and offensive coordinator, Joe Brady, he gets an upgrade.
How much of an upgrade?
I don't know, but at least it won't be toxic.
Offensive line, though Carolina needs to draft a left tackle and they will with their first pick.
It's a competent offensive line with an excellent right tackle.
Weapons, Christian McCaffrey, top three back in the NFL.
Robbie Anderson, a speed receiver who Darnold's worked with before.
DJ Moore, more than equipped weapons upgrade.
In a division, by the way, that doesn't have three great defensive coaches,
Sean McDermott, Brian Flores, and Belichick, know this division's all about offense.
Brian Bruce Ariens, Sean Peyton, Arthur Smith.
No more Belichick twice a year, no more Brian Flores twice a year, no more Josh Allen.
You have Bruce Ariens retiring soon.
Saints are transitioning.
Atlanta again is rebuilding.
It's a very soon a winnable division.
All Darnold deserved was a chance.
And with quarterbacks, it's not about the win-loss record.
I look at traits.
Darnold has great traits.
Coachable, tough, alpha, physical, leadership, guys like him.
He's got all the traits I like.
Yes, he's more mobile than Teddy Bridgewater.
Yes, he's got a much bigger arm.
Think about this.
And this often happens in life.
Is that, you know, what do they say?
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger?
The reason Darnold is getting what most young quarterbacks do not get,
a second chance and a good second chance,
is the Jets dysfunction.
It's the Jets dysfunction that almost killed.
Darnold's career.
But the irony is, it's what is giving him a second chance because people go, well, hell,
nobody could have succeeded there.
How bad is the Jets dysfunction?
When Sam Darnold didn't play for the Jets, they were 0 and 10 and average 13 points a game and 150 passing yards.
Statistically, they were the worst offense in league history, including the 76 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
You thought Darnold struggled when they played.
They couldn't get first downs when he didn't.
And never forget this with Sam Darnold.
He's younger right now today than Joe Burrow, than Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.
And remember, he came from a program USC, and I'll say this diplomatically, where he was
offensively undercoached for several years.
With Tribisky, you never saw the wow.
With Blake Bortles, you never saw the wow.
With Tua, I don't see the wow.
I've seen wow multiple times with Sam Darnold.
And that's why, according to reports,
the Jets, despite Darnold's record with Gase, were split on him.
They were split on him.
Saul liked him.
But the belief was, if you kept Darnold and drafted a quarterback,
it would be a distraction.
And you had to pay Sam very quick.
quickly, and you don't have to pay Zach Wilson anything for four years.
I get the Jets move.
We call the Panthers move.
Routing for Sam Darnold.
Root for all young quarterbacks, but especially Darnold.
Because in life, none of us get buried if our first boss, our first job is lousy.
But in the NFL at quarterback, bizarrely, you do.
All right, let's talk about Baylor Gonzaga.
Years and years and years ago, we don't need to get into it.
my age. I covered sports in Oregon and I covered Oregon football. The coach was Mike Bellotti.
And Mike Bellotti taught me something that I think about all the time. So Mike Bellotti
had a discussion with him one time. And I noticed he was doing something on the sidelines during
games. The first two series, he would be on his knees, crouched down right down the line of
scrimmage. And I said, I always watch you early in games and you were right on the ball.
you're not looking at anything else.
And he said, Colin, it tells me how our offense,
offensive line and defensive lines match up.
And I will know within 10 snaps, we cannot do this offensively.
These power runs won't work.
This will work.
And it dictates where I go the rest of the game.
In just two series, six, eight, ten snaps.
I can't do this.
We won't be able to do this.
This will work well on both sides.
And I think about that all the time because I believe in basketball and football,
you can see superior strength and superior speed instantly.
And you saw it last night with Baylor.
It was 9-0, 11-1, 29-10.
It was over 6 minutes in.
Now, we do live in 2021.
Where you don't have to be bigger, stronger, faster, you can actually shoot your way to wins in 2021.
want. But when Baylor is stronger and faster and quicker and the better three-point shooting team,
good night, Spokane. It was over in minutes. I do not believe this is the end for Gonzaga.
Jalen Suggs is their first superstar recruit. I actually believe they're in like the fifth,
the sixth inning of this program. They have turned into the later innings, but Mark Fused in great
shape. He's got another 10 to 12 years to coach. And finally, they now get Kentucky, Duke, Kansas,
Syracuse, one and done recruits. I do not believe this is an indictment on Gonzaga.
Listen, all you need to know about college basketball, Bill Self is a great coach,
coaching 28 years 18 at Kansas. He's got one title. Tom Izzo, great coach, two and a half
decades, Michigan State. He's got one title.
John Calapari, 30 NBA players, Kentucky, one title.
Jim Beheim, 45 years, one title.
It's really, really hard.
Six games, you're the favorite, not a lot of rest, different styles.
By the end of it, you don't get a lot of prep time.
Baylor was faster and quicker and more aggressive.
and when you combine that with, oh, yeah, they were also way better shooting threes.
This thing was over in six minutes.
Here's Mark Fuezag's coach.
They were just so much more aggressive than, I mean, they literally just, we haven't played like that this year.
They just literally busted us out of anything we could possibly do on offense.
And we were kind of playing, you know, with our back to the back, you know, not facing up.
We couldn't get anything generated going to the basket.
We were kind of playing sideways.
By the way, we talked about Gonzaga being a buzzsaw.
Do you realize Baylor's closest game was nine points?
They had 16 offensive rebounds last night.
Gonzaga had 22 rebounds total.
Baylor was better and faster and quicker and was a buzzsaw that we didn't pay a lot of attention to.
Congratulations to the Bears.
I don't think it's the end of anything up in Spokane.
Good stuff.
It was a fun night.
You know, actually is, you know, Baylor seemed happy.
It wasn't like Baylor's got a stack of trophies.
It was their first.
No, it was their first.
Yeah, so it was happy for them.
But you're right.
We were paying more attention to Lanzaga.
And there was another buds on the other side.
And they were routing everybody too.
All the way through.
With three NBA guys, maybe four.
They're very impressive.
Very impressive.
Where to go, Baylor.
Waco, Texas.
I went there one.
time. I have not been to Waco, Texas. Dr. Pepper.
Is that, is that...
Dr. Pepper is from Waco, Texas. They have the Dr. Pepper. I don't know if they still do.
I love Dr. Pepper. I haven't ever done Dr. Pepper in a long time.
You know what? I'm going to celebrate Baylor's championship with the Dr. Pepper at some point
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So yesterday when the darn old thing happened, you know, a lot of, you know, I'm rooting for Sam.
I know Sam. I know his family. I'm really rooting for the kid.
But I thought the winner in this was Zach Wilson, the BYU quarterback.
So think about this.
Joe Douglas, who had a very good draft last year, I know Joe, he's the Jets GM, very sharp guy.
Now, he doesn't have a huge track record, so a lot of this is based on the draft last year.
I thought they had a great draft.
I thought they got really good players.
But he has now accumulated so many draft picks.
So I just want to talk about the next two years,
he has four first rounders, three second rounders and three third rounders.
That should be 10 starters.
Let's say he whiffs on a few.
Let's just say he whiffs on a few.
He hasn't shown the ability to whiff yet.
They have so many picks now.
But I want you to think about this.
So let's talk about what the Jets do have.
defensive line is set.
They went and got Carl Lawson, paid for him, but a good edge rusher.
The defensive line was good.
Now it's special.
They don't need to worry about that in any of those draft picks.
They also have Mackay Beckton, a left tackle.
Sam Darnold didn't get that.
It was a revolving door.
That set.
They also have with the addition of Corey Davis at wide receiver, enigmatic but talented,
and Denzel Mims drafted him last year, James and Crowder.
They've got weapons.
They're not pathetic.
They'll probably draft another receiver later, but they're not pathetic.
So that's a pretty good starting point.
What Zach Wilson gets.
If you just look at the first three rounds this year, they get lucky too.
It's a great year for offensive lines.
They need offensive line help.
What the Jets need is a corner, another running back upgrade O line.
That's what they need.
Let's just play mock draft time for the Jets.
I went to a bunch of mock drafts this morning.
I've seen almost all these guys play substantially.
First pick this year, Zach Wilson.
Rookie deal.
So four years are not paying your quarterback.
23rd pick.
This is the Jets pick.
I would go Travis ETN, the running back from Clemson.
Great pass catching running back.
They will now be set at running back because they drafted a kid out of Florida last year
who's a nice complimentary back.
34th pick.
Let's go get a right tab.
tackle. Dylan Radons, North Dakota State, Radens, people like him. I didn't see him play a lot. I've
watched YouTube clips. Called my guys on him. They like him. He's probably a year to develop,
but you got your tackle bookends. 66 pick. Elijah Molden, watched them a ton. Total baller,
a playmaker corner from Washington. You solve that. By the way, a couple of their young secondary
people are really talented. They have a safety from Cal and a quarter from Virginia.
that have chance to be really special players already in house.
Your 87th pick.
Let's go back to the O line, the interior to protect Zach Wilson,
Trey Smith, Tennessee.
Okay, I'm just talking the first three rounds this year.
I'm not talking the rest of this draft.
I'm not talking free agency because you don't pay Zach Wilson anything.
I'm not talking about next year's two first rounders and multiple second rounders and
third rounders.
You could saw virtually if you just draft these, you don't have a ton of holes.
Now, the division's tough, the coaching is great, and Zach Wilson's a kid from BYU.
But this is not what Sam Darnold entered.
This is not a pathetic situation.
It's rebuilding.
It needs an infusion of energy, talent, and juice, but you now have a capable GM.
Darnold didn't.
You now have a non-toxic coaching staff.
Darnold didn't.
You actually have capable, after this draft,
receivers and running backs.
Darnold never did it.
This is not a pathetic situation.
In fact, Jets just released her 2021 team poster.
You can see it right here.
New York Jets.
We're not pathetic.
It's actually very, very encouraging.
And I think the winner is Zach Wilson.
It's the opposite of the Carmelo Anthony deal to the Knicks.
Carmelo Anthony was a Denver nugget.
He told everybody, I'm only going to the Knicks.
So the Knicks had no leverage, had to trade all their parts to get him, and then Carmelo arrives
in New York with nothing around him for years.
It's the opposite.
I actually think the Jets got an extra pick from Carolina.
I didn't suspect.
They got a second or fourth and a sixth.
I thought they'd get like a second and a sixth, a fourth and a sixth.
So I think Zach Wilson's coming into a situation.
It won't be toxic, capable GM.
You'll have your right tackle, your bookend tackles.
you'll have very capable weapons at wide receiver.
Also, if you go out and get a running back, it's not a great running back class,
but if you look at your early, second, late first,
there's a couple of potential star running backs in this draft.
Good stuff for Zach.
And we wish them well.
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So Aaron Rogers did Jeopardy.
He's doing it for a couple of weeks.
It's a smart person show.
He's smart.
A lot of people are saying, oh, he's leaving the Packers.
No, he's not.
Let's stop.
Let's not worry about him leaving the Packers.
He's a smart guy.
It's the offseason.
He's not quitting the NFL at 37.
He's still probably got four great years left at $35 million a year.
Jeopardy pays well.
Doesn't pay half of that.
Let me tell you that.
And he's a great athlete.
He should stay in the NFL.
And Green Bay, by the way,
mostly got really good players and good offensive lines.
So stay in the NFL.
You're not going anywhere.
So, but what is interesting is Aaron,
I just had lunch with somebody last week.
I would say I've had two lunches,
a lunch and a dinner in the last month
with people in Aaron's orbit.
He, of course, doesn't like me. That's fine.
I think we'd get along great, but doesn't like me.
Whatever.
And this is pretty obvious,
but Aaron's very important.
intentional. Nothing's random with Aaron. Very rarely is anything random with smart people and Aaron's
smart. Things are thought out. He takes positions. It can be a little passive aggressive, but
Aaron thinks of it everything. He's not sitting around all day. He's not married, didn't have a bunch of
kids. He doesn't have a life with a million voices. Aaron's got time to sit down and think. Single guys
in their 30s that are rich, they pay people to do a lot of the stuff. You're like, you know, go to the
store and do that kind of stuff. Aaron's got time to think about stuff. He's smart. He's calculated.
He's meticulous. Okay. So let's start with that. So he goes on Pat McAfee's show.
And he once again says this. It's planned out. He didn't go into the show. He wasn't cornered.
And he makes sure he says this again about Green Bay. Nothing's really changed. My future is really, a lot of
it's out of my control. You know, that's why I mentioned using words like a phrase like Beautiful
mystery, like, because it is, it is quite uncertain which directions that things are going to go.
All I can do is play my best, and I feel like last year I did do that, and may have thrown a wrench
in the some timelines that may have been thought about or desired.
But ultimately, you know, things haven't really changed on that front.
I'm powerless.
Not my call.
I'd love to stay here.
What is he doing?
It's very shrewd.
So if he leaves Green Bay, it's not on him.
It's like when mom and dad are fighting and dad says, dad plays the victim,
well, if we get divorced, it's your mother's decision, so the kids don't resent him.
The kids resent mom.
Fair or not, you play the victim.
I have no power, no leverage here.
If Green Bay moves, I love it.
I invested in the box.
I'm here for you.
Because Aaron's smart and he's good looking and he dates celebrities and he's the richest guy in Wisconsin.
And there is this sense that if it didn't work out, a lot of people would be like, oh, too cool for.
No, Aaron is putting all the blame on Green Bay.
It's very smart.
It's very meticulous.
It's very calculated.
It is, hey, I got no power here.
I mean, what I don't want a divorce.
So the fans are like, Packers are idiots, if Jordan Love doesn't work out.
It's out of my control.
I don't have, now in terms of, I'm not, I'm blaming Aaron.
I'm just saying, this is what you do.
So Aaron's 37.
They draft a quarterback.
He can see the course has changed.
He's just positioning it smartly.
So if he's out, wasn't my call, wasn't my call.
See, when Farrve left, it wasn't that big of a gamble because Aaron was unbelievable at practice.
They'd seen Aaron in the preseason.
But if Aaron leaves, Aaron knows he's watching Jordan Love.
Jordan Love isn't me.
So it may not work.
It may not work.
And Aaron will come off looking great.
And I always root for the star quarterback over the rich franchise, right?
I want the star quarterbacks to win.
By the way, in terms of him doing jeopardy, he was good.
Of course he's good.
Aaron's smart.
he's not a guy that's just going to walk into the studio and not be prepared.
But by the way, host, I know what he would get paid to host Jeopardy,
and I know what quarterbacks for the Packers make when they're as good as Aaron.
Keep playing football.
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So let's do a new mock draft because now Carolina, at number eight, has their quarterback.
San Francisco moving up to three.
is clearly drafting a quarterback.
So here we go.
My top 10 mock draft.
Okay, number one, this is the easiest one on the board.
Trevor Lawrence Clemson going to Jacksonville.
Urban Meyer has a history.
Tim Tebow, Alex Smith.
Urban Meyer is great with young quarterback.
So I think it ensures Trevor Lawrence's success.
Number two, New York Jets.
We now know Donald's out.
Zach Wilson's considered the most.
consistently excellent prospect on the board.
Again, not a secret.
They got a bunch of draft picks.
I will say, I don't know how it'll be.
He's got little Aaron Rogers.
He can sling it.
He's a good athlete.
Number three, San Francisco.
Okay, I don't buy the Mac Jones stuff.
Okay, I've been told John Lynch would not draft Mac Jones.
Kyle Shanahan wants a safe pocket Kirk Cousin-style guy.
But Kyle Shanahan doesn't.
have a winning record. He doesn't have as much leverage as everybody thinks. I think they go and get
Justin Fields, who is really talented, a little inconsistent, great high school, great college.
I think he's going to be a good pro. I think, and I've said before, Trevor Lawrence is a star.
Whoever San Francisco drafts, even Mac Zones, will succeed. But I think this offense is run-centric
in San Francisco. It'll let Justin slowly develop one year behind Garapolo. Okay, number four.
Okay, I'm going to do my first trade ever in a mock draft.
Atlanta trades out because what they need is not a quarterback.
They need more picks.
Denver needs a quarterback trades up.
Denver trades up to the number four spot.
Atlanta trades out and get some picks.
And Denver takes Trey Lance, the quarterback, who is probably a year away.
Didn't play a ton in college.
Drew Locke, you let him do what he does.
Elway, I've been told in the organization, they're over Drew Locke.
He's a fourth best quarterback in the division.
You get Trey Lance.
You let him learn.
You put him in OTAs.
You put him in camp.
You let him watch.
He's the future.
And I think he has a chance to be great.
Number five.
Okay, Cincinnati is a conservative franchise.
They're going to go and stay in the Big Ten footprint.
They need to help protect Joe Burrell, who's already got a major injury.
Rashon Slater, Northwestern, matched up great against Chase Young, play him on the corner,
play him on the tackle.
play him inside. Terrific player from a smart program, hard worker, great tape. That's an easy one.
Number six, Miami. Again, this feels automatic. Kyle Pitts, tight-end Florida. There's a reason,
they don't want the Tua pick to look like a whiff. They get Will Fuller. Okay, they're going to go
get the best tight-end prospect, maybe since Ozzie Newsom. Again, a kid you can play outside.
You can play on the line. Not a great blocker. But again, if Tua can't move the sticks with Kyle
Pitts and Will Fuller and some of their receiving talent, then you got the wrong quarterback.
Number seven, Detroit needs everything, but Kenny Galday is gone.
I think it's unfair to Jared Goff to give him no weapons.
Jamar Chase, best available athlete on the board, LSU.
Every scout I've talked to and two GMs has said, this is the most talented receiver.
Will he be the best in the NFL?
He's an NFL player.
He was an NFL player last year playing college football.
Number eight, Carolina.
They got Sam Darnold.
They get a break here.
They get a true left tackle Penae, Sewell, Oregon.
He's a real left tackle.
By the way, they have two huge needs in Carolina now.
Left tackle and corner.
And they may draft a couple of corners, and this draft's got some really good ones.
Panaisal, Carolina.
Atlanta now, trade with Denver, goes to nine.
They need a ton of help.
Let's start with Patrick Sardana Corner.
They need an edge rusher.
They could use another linebacker.
They need corners, Certains.
and Nick Saban Corner, played in the best conference in college football,
a little bit of a playmaker, not just your typical corner.
He's got a little Akib to leave.
Like he'll take it and run to the house.
And number 10, Dallas.
Now this is interesting.
On a phone conversation with the general manager Friday,
he said the fastest rising defensive player on the board,
J.C. Horn, the corner from South Carolina, Joe Horn's son, hyper-aggressive.
Really athletic.
Long.
He is the defensive player that is flying up the draft board.
So I'm going to go with the Cowboys who need a corner.
Their linebackers are fine.
They need an edge rusher.
They need a corner and a safety.
So there's my mock draft.
Look at it top 10.
And again, first time I've ever done a trade,
I do not buy the Mack Jones to the Niners.
Many have.
But I think it's Lynch wants fields.
or an athlete.
And I think Kyle likes the more.
We know Kyle like Kirk Cousins, wants the more pocket guy.
So there's my top 10.
Maybe it's a bunch of hooey and makes no sense,
but I host a talk show on this stuff's fun.
I do think Carolina now gets a little bit of a break.
Absolute, because they're right tackling Carolina is good
in their center when he's healthy as talented.
Their guards are average.
But left tackle, they lock it up for a long time.
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Steve Lavin, former UCLA coach, a broadcaster, Fox Sports, is now joining us live.
I know there is a little bit of, this is the American sports DNA, Steve,
when the little conference team rolls through everybody,
and they get against a big conference team and get rolled.
A lot of people in America are like, yeah, you guys are a bunch of phonies.
But I look and I think, hell, Baylor blew through everybody in that.
the tournament. I don't think Gonzaga is going anywhere. I mean, what was your takeaway on the game?
Well, for starters, in terms of Gonzaga and what Mark Fue has achieved, a really unprecedented
level of success. And that's backed up by the analytics and the numbers. It's his second final four.
And the only surprise last night to me was the convincing fashion that Baylor won the game.
They really dominated from start to finish.
Their defense was as impressive as any title game defense as I can remember since the 1990 UNLV running rebels under Jerry Tarkhanian when they dominated the Duke Blue Devils.
So I don't think Gonzaga is going away.
They're a remarkable story.
Decade after decade, they've been dominant.
And on an annual basis, they challenge themselves with the most rigorous schedules in the non-conference of any team in the country.
That's right.
So I agree with you.
You know, I would say this.
And this is funny.
You would know this as a coach.
Sometimes when you're so good offensively, it is a natural.
We're all human here.
You don't play with the urgency defensively.
And I do think Gonzaggett at times could score so quickly.
They didn't always give you a great defensive ever.
Like last night I felt to myself, you picked a bad night not to be keyed in defensively.
And when you were in your coaching, was it harder to push for defense the better and more talented and skilled your offenses were?
Well, for starters, there's that old adage, and it's been around for a reason.
You know, it's tough to be exceptional in every phase of the game.
Now, last night, Baylor was an example of a team on both sides of the ball that played at a magic level.
They knocked down 10-3s.
They have the positionless basketball on the perimeter when you look at Mitchell and Butler and Teague, those three guards for the Bears, the best perimeter attack in the country.
So it is difficult to be great on both sides of the ball.
We see it in football on occasion.
You know, Pete Carroll's USC Trojans and Nick Saban's Alabama teams have had that balance offensively and defensively.
But I think Butler exposed some things and nothing wrong with that.
It's not an insult to Gonzaga, just the personnel that Baylor has exposed.
And mostly it was the foot speed.
Yeah, let's face it.
They are a tough matchup, similar to playing the Golden State Warriors.
It's tough to play Golden State when they're hitting on all cylinders a few years back before the injuries to Clay and whatnot.
But yeah, let's give Baylor some credit here, too.
Yeah.
You know, it is interesting.
College basketball, I said this the other day.
you better be very careful about firing your coaches in college basketball because with a transfer portal,
not only would the coach be gone, the players will all leave and you'll be starting from scratch.
Give coaches an extra year or two.
Steve, when Baylor's interesting.
They've used the transfer portal a little bit.
And I know it's a turnoff for a lot of coaches, but I look at it and I think to myself,
I watch this tournament and Baylor's got three NBA guys and Gonzaga's got three, two, three NBA guys.
And I'm like, coaches hate the transfer portal, but I'm like, it's just a new thing.
I mean, I've never had more fun in the last 10 years watching the tournament.
Did you, I actually felt at the end of it, Steve, this was a good March madness for college basketball.
It showed that you could use the transfer portal and win a title and be great.
I mean, I don't know.
I just, I come out of it this morning feeling better about college basketball.
Well, for starters, let's take the transfer portal.
That's been the biggest change in college basketball over the past few decades.
You know, the early 80s, we had the clock that was implemented in the college game.
87, the three-point line.
And now the grad transfer rule and the transfer portal, 1,100 names are in this year's transfer
portal.
That has dramatically changed the game in terms of the biggest trend.
And it's a two-way street.
You can reload with poaching from other mid-major programs and players that either want
to come back home or they like the system or style play, whatever the reason may be.
be. And so like free agency, but in college, you can elevate, improve your roster in the
offseason. The downside is programs can also be gutted where they lose six or seven players.
We're seeing that right now at Cincinnati and St. John's and some other schools. And it puts a lot
of pressure on staffs to be able to go out, use their relationships, their network throughout the
world in this country to be able to reload at a level that will allow you to win games.
because you can go out and pick up a lot of transfers, but if they can't play at a high level,
that's not going to help your cause because at the end of the day, you've got to win games,
make the tournament, and advance in the tournament to keep your job.
So it's a two-way street, but I agree there were some great stories about transfers
that found a good home and helped those programs, like a good trade or a good marriage.
And I think overall, to your other point, this was a tremendous NCAA tournament and March Madness.
and Dan Gavitt and Mitch Barnhart deserve a lot of credit along with the rest of the committee
because these were difficult conditions.
So I think everyone deserves a salute in college basketball on the men's and women's side.
There's some great stories there on the women's side as well.
Yeah, no, I've said this before.
The people running sports, I like them more than I like a lot of the governors in America.
I think the commissioners and, you know, the NCAA always gets beaten up by the media.
And I'm like, I don't know, they pulled this puppy off.
I thought the men's and the women's were glorious finals.
Finally, I got to give a tip of the cap to UCLA.
Mick Cronin was not the first choice.
He may have been the third.
UCLA is a very glamorous program.
The campus is in Bel Air.
It is bougie and amazing.
And I, you know, I couldn't afford a house in the neighborhood.
But I will say this.
Mick Cronin, this was a tough, physical, relentless team.
Were you a bit surprised how far they went in the style that really connected
with those LA kids?
Yeah, interestingly, in mid-January, I actually had my crystal ball out, and occasionally
the projections pay off, and I had them either winning the national title or contending
for a national title, and that was mid-January.
So I could see early that they had the pieces.
What's remarkable is, you know, a short bench.
They had some injuries, and that actually led to a seven-man rotation, a more cohesive approach,
both offensively and defensively.
And I really fell in love with this UCLA team.
They controlled tempo in terms of imposing a 337-rated pace or tempo, but they were proficient,
and they worked for good shots.
They take opportunities off their defense if they have the numbers in transition.
But Johnny Zhu Zhang loved his ability, shot make and playmake.
And Jaime Hakez, I mean, a blossoming star right before our eyes with his size.
he can see over the top.
He has a ruggedness and a toughness.
I think he'll go down as one of the great bruns of all time in the record books if he stays in school for years.
Now, we'll have to see because in the offseason, all these kids look at their options.
Tiger Campbell improved his decision-making as well.
And Cody Riley performed down well.
Down low well, he was the only true big man.
So this was a remarkable run.
To lose four straight games, step it into the NCAA tournament, and then win five straight from the first four.
of the Final Four.
Mick Cronin does have the program head in the right direction.
I was just impressed with how he reset his team's mindset,
because it's about confidence.
That's not easy to do when you've lost four straight games.
You trail Michigan State by 11.
Some doubts can come into play,
but instead they come back, beat the Spartans,
and then sprint to a Final Four,
and maybe one of the better games in decades in college basketball,
right up there with the Leitner shot against Kentucky
and a few other games.
But that UCLA-Gonzaga game was as good as it gets.
Yeah, good stuff.
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