The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/08/2021 - HOUR 2 - NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 8, 2021

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Ah, here we go. Hour 2, live in Los Angeles. It's the herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. All our teams went here, except the Dodgers yesterday blew a lead. That wasn't great. Watch that. That was not great. Well, UCLA lost kind of dramatically.

Yeah. Our teams lose close. They did have a great tournament. Our teams lose close the last week. Dodgers blew a lead. UCLA had a shot. Great Davian. That was the voice of Joy Taylor.

So I saw Good Morning America. By the way, did you see that funny thing Michael Strayhand did where he told I thought that was brilliant. He got me. I thought about it. I was like, maybe this is April Fool's, but then... He totally fooled me. Yeah.

So he has a gap in his teeth. It's kind of who he is. And then he fixed it and he smiled, like it was at a dentist office. And then he comes and does an Instagram with a mask on and says, he starts talking about life and the changes. Then he pulls it down and goes April Fool's. And I'm like, that's the best April Fool's trick ever.

It was a good April Fool's. It felt like it was April Fool's. Because obviously, like, everyone is on high alert around that time. Like even Tom Brady almost got me He was talking about he tweeted something about bringing the Expos back and I was like No You almost got me Tom

He almost got me But I thought it was good though I thought Strayhan was very clever I like that he kept it And I like the fact that he used the mask The mask Then he unveils it at the end with that big smile So it's interesting Tom Brady was on

Good Morning America I think of Strahan Because he was interviewed by Strayhan And a lot of mutual respect there A couple of Hall of Famers right and Brady was talking about, you know, when I was in New England, I thought there was one way to do things. And then I go to Tampa and I'm like, oh, there's another way to do things. And it's a lot of fun, right? It's like fun be the new guy.

You know, Fox and ESPN are different companies. They have a different feel. It's more fun here. It's much, maybe it's because we're in L.A. It's a more fun company to work for. It's nothing against the other guys, but it's, that's cold and Bristol and rigid and a machine and a factory. And this is more entrepreneurial and more fun, right? There's two ways to win.

And it's interesting because the second part of losing Brady is not just you don't win Super Bowls anymore, but you lose relevance. New England's now mostly irrelevant. Let's be honest about this. Is that they were never a top 10 brand ever. They're very much the San Antonio Spurs. If you take Brady and Duncan out of those respective organizations, their history is just not that compelling. The championships go away. I mean, the Packers are a top 10 brand.

The Steelers are a top 10 brand. The Cowboys are. The Niners are. The Bears are. Giants are, the Eagles are, the Broncos probably are, New England's not. When they bought the team years ago in the 90s, Robert Kraft bought them. They had no brand, they had the worst stadium, the worst stadium revenues. You couldn't beg a network to put them on television.

But you know what they really are? Are they that far from the Cavaliers? LeBron leaves? We don't talk calves. Or are they the Bulls? MJ leaves. We don't talk Bulls. Griffey and Arod leave.

We don't talk Mariners. Spurs and the Patriots, if you take one star transformative, all-time talent out of their history, not that damn compelling, just not that interesting. So one of the reasons, I mean, by the way, you know what I think of? This is probably why Pittsburgh is holding on, grasping on to Big Ben, and it's also a cautionary tale to Green Bay with Aaron and Seattle with Russell Wilson. It's not that you just don't win games. You're just not relevant.

And for owners, especially, in Seattle, relevancy means cash, means marketing, means you're on television. Don't kid yourself. Jerry Jones, Cowboys are the most profitable brand in the NFL. Part of that is they have former Cowboys doing the NFL network games, the Fox games, the CBS games, all but the NBC games. There's a big part of marketing that makes the Cowboys what they are. Greg CoSell's been working in the NFL for four NFL films for 41 years.

He's looked at 170 college players, and he is now joining me live. Before we get to the draft, you look, you know Carolina's personnel, DJ Moore, Robbie Anderson. They feel like when I watch them play, they need corners and they need a left tackle. Other than that, I think it's a competent offense if they get an athletic, more dynamic quarterback. How do you think Darnold fits in to the coordinator, Brady, Matt Rule, and their overall personnel? Well, just before I get to that, while I was hearing what you were saying, all I kept thinking about was the Iceman, George Gervin. I think he might resemble your comments about the Spurs, you know? I remember, I remember.

You know, I think it's a good situation for a number of reasons. Number one, I think is the offensive approach. I think Donald is at the point in his career. where he needs the offense to really define the reeds and the throws for him. And part of being able to do that as a coach is really teaching defense. Because that's how you're able to define reeds and throws is you base your play calls on what you anticipate from a probability and tendency standpoint from the defense. Someone like Kyle Shanahan is outstanding at that.

I think you need to do that with Darnold. You need to really teach him defense. has a true understanding of how throws can be defined and the reeds can be defined. Because you've got to get him playing with some sense of rhythm, some sense of timing, and some sense of structure. You've got to put aside all this talk about let's go make plays because you're an athlete. That has to come second. You've got to get him playing within the structure of an offense. I want to talk one more NFL player first. Matt Ryan. I believe if you can go the last four years, Matt Ryan leads the NFL in attempts, completions, on yards passing.

And when I watch, my, my issue is you need tacklers, you don't need a quarterback. And so when I look at Lanna, I think Matt's got several good years left. What does the tape say on Matt Ryan? I think Matt Ryan is still a more than professional quarterback. Clearly his arm strength, which was never great, is not what it was. He can't really drive the ball. down the field, but you can line up and win with Matt Ryan. They are a classic case of a team that needs players. Now, apparently they've announced pretty much that the fourth pick is for sale. They need players. They need a defense. Last year, he put up points. As you said, over the last number of years, he's put up attempts, completions, yards, points, but they don't win games because

of their defense. So it's easy to say, hey, this is a good year for quarterbacks. You have to take a quarterback, but you never really know that, Colin. Think three years ago. Was Joe Burrow a big name coming off of his, I guess, sophomore year? Was Zach Wilson a big name two years ago? You can't sit around and say, well, you have to take a quarterback because next year there might not be one. You never know that. This is a team that needs a lot of players. And they have the fourth pick. Maybe they'll end up with a trade. But no, Matt Ryan, you can line up and play and win with Matt Ryan. Yeah. So it's interesting on the Mac Jones to the Niners,

Adam Schaefter today saying it's a done deal. It's going to happen. Adam's very connected. Now, I don't like that pick. I wouldn't give up multiple picks to move up nine spots for Mac Jones. But I'll play devil's advocate here. Is that Mac Jones may not work in a lot of places. But could I make the argument in Shanahan's offense?

He may work. Now, Shanahan likes Kirk Cousins. So could I make the argument? In Kyle's offense, where he made Matt Shab a pro bowler, he's not looking for an athlete. He doesn't move the pocket. He just wants a guy, as you said, here's the reeds, here's where I want the ball go, I'll design it, get it there. Is that a legitimate argument?

Well, if what is being said is true, okay? If indeed that's Kyle's guy, then what he's saying is that what's more important to him, to him, and this is debatable, is he would rather have an efficient ball distributor than a playmaker at quarterback. Because at the end of the day, that's what Mack Jones is. Mac Jones is a ball distributor and an efficient executor of a well-schemed, well-designed offense. Whereas Justin Fields, Trey Lance, they may get to that point. That's an unknown.

They're not at that point right now the way that Mac Jones is, but they're not at that point. they give you a playmaking dimension. So you have to decide, and if what's being said is true, Kyle's decided that, but you have to decide philosophically, do you need a playmaking dimension at the quarterback position in today's NFL? Do you need a quarterback to be able to make plays off script outside the structure of an offense? If the answer to that is yes, then you wouldn't be drafting Mack Jones. So what if being said is true, then Kyle does not believe that the quarterback

back must have a playmaking dimension. I don't think I've asked you this yet. You're the GM. Zach Wilson, Justin Fields are both available. Who would you pick? What's the film say? Boy, you know, I think Justin Fields has some issues. I really do.

I mean, I've watched his tape and I've watched it several times. And I think there's things that concern me, but he's really a high-level talent. Now, Zach Wilson is a talent in a different way. The way I would describe Zach Wilson, Zach Wilson has a live arm. I don't think Zach Wilson has a power arm. Like Matthew Stafford has a power arm.

I think Zach Wilson's arm is live and loose. His body's loose. He certainly can play in structure and he can make plays outside of structure. I think Justin Fields is a big physical athlete who's got more of a power arm. He may not be as refined as you'd like right now. So now you have to coach him.

And I've always been a believer that coaching is a major variable and a big factor. And where Justin Fields goes will be a big deal because he will need to be coached. But, you know, they all do, by the way. You know how it is, Colin. We're talking about these quarterbacks as if all five are going to be Hall of Famers. And you know it's not going to work out that way. Yeah. By the way, limited tape on Trey Lance.

What do you make of him as a prospect? You mean the same 17 starts as Mac Jones? That's right, yes. Except Mac Jones played at Alabama and Trey Lance played at North Dakota State and didn't play this year. I like Trey Lance. I think that he's really twitchy. He's got a live arm. He's a big-time athlete.

He ran the play-action pass game from under center more than any quarterback coming out in this draft. He's got a few things that I think he needs to work on. In this league, fractions matter. At times, when he drops back, he'll pop up a little bit, and it takes him just a beat to deliver the football. That's a mechanical issue with his lower body that can be fixed and worked on. But I like Trey Lance, and it'll be very interesting to see where he goes, and if he has to play right away and where he'll be in two, three years. But he ran an offense that, it's funny, we're talking about the Niners, and he ran an offense that has a lot of elements of what Kyle Shanahan does with the. play action under center. He did a lot of that and with a fullback as well. God, I just love his

tape. Really, every time I watch his stuff, I'm just kind of blown away. Twitchy's a perfect thing. He just makes, he just makes people. Yeah, he just very athletically twitchy. So, I guess final question here. I am completely into Kyle Pitts. Okay. Me too. I think he's the best prospect in the draft. Okay, you do too. Okay. I think he's the best prospect in the draft. Okay, so I don't even want to nitpick him. In today's NFL, what can you do with him? He looks like, to me, a faster Aaron Hernandez where I can put him anywhere. He's a receiver.

It doesn't matter what letters you put before or after his name. He's a receiver. I mean, for whatever this means, okay, and maybe it means nothing, but his measurables were better than Mike Evans coming out of college. He's a receiver. So in today's NFL, with the way that you deal with formations, and by the way, he's Kevin Joseph, who's a first-round trait's corner right here on the play we just saw. You can do anything with this kid. You can line him up anywhere. And the key with a player like

this is the defense has to decide going into the game how they're going to play against him. You know, if they see him as a tight end, are they going to stay in base defense? Do they see him as a wide receiver? The defense has to make decisions as to how they want to play. But you can line him up anywhere. He beat corners this year. We saw him beat Kelvin Joseph. He beat Tyson Campbell. He beat J.C. Horn. He beats corners. This guy is just a receiver. I love him so much. I think he's, I mean, this guy's freakish. And I've been doing this a long time, as you know, Colin, and I rarely talk like that. But there's two players in this draft that I really, their tape kind of blew me away. And it was Pitts and Jamar Chase. Okay. I knew I liked Greg Kosell.

I like when you once a year go hyperbolic, just a little, just like 1%, just a tiny bit. It's okay. Well, I remember when I was out there a few years ago, when Josh Allen was going to be going into his last year in college, and I told you he was a guy to watch for. Yeah, you're mostly right on that stuff. That's why I listen to you. Greg CoSell, pleasure to see you, my man. Thank you so much. Thanks, Colin.

Appreciate it. He makes a great point. So he played in the SEC. That's the best defensive. he's beating first round corners all over the field. He's a tight end. He just doesn't look like anybody else. I've never seen a tight end that looks like him.

Ozzie Newsom wasn't that fast. Kellynne Winslow wasn't that fast. There's always one prospect in the draft, one play in the draft. Chase Young. Yeah, that we know is going to work no matter where he goes. Really fast. Yes.

Like Chase Young, great, day two. Well, just also just the athleticism. They already look like they are ready for the NFL. Chase Young was a pro in college. Yes. All right. Barry Alvarez, by the way, the legendary Barry Alvarez, I'm a huge fan of. I've often said he may be the greatest coach in college football ever.

He literally won Rose Bowls in a state that doesn't have high school five-star athletes, which is virtually impossible. He'll be joining us. He just retired as the 80 at Wisconsin. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. What's up, fam?

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of sporting events and television, it's awe-inspiring. It really is, you're like, okay, this is impressive. This is impressive. Joy, Taylor, with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So it seems like a foregone conclusion that the Jets are going to draft.

Zach Wilson with the second overall pick in the draft. Mark Sanchez, who used to play in New York, said on the Pat McAfee show that Wilson reminds him of another former Jets quarterback. I love that. I think he's like Brett Farvish. He's the kind of guy who will complete like a left-handed pass at some point in his career. He might throw one around his back to the fullback. Like, he's that kind of guy.

And it is so fun to watch, but for a coordinator. Yeah. Or right. Like, as soon as that ball snap, you might not know exactly where it's going, but good chances go into the right spot. He has playmaker tendencies. Yes. Which, by the way, there's, I like playmaker tendencies, within reason.

Within reason is, is the catch there. Like, obviously, Brett Farr was known as a gunslinger to find his career, ended his career as well. That's fun in college because you're not throwing by NFL defenders and you're not running away from NFL defenders in college. I like that he is daring. I like that he takes chances. I'm with you.

I don't think that all interceptions are bad interceptions. And not that saying he's not, you know, he's only thrown three interceptions last year. So it's not like he has a high interception rate. But that kind of fearlessness doesn't always. transfer. So like you've got to tone that down. Like we've seen that with James Winston. Sometimes when you want to air it out and you want to make the big play, you have to pair that with a good decision as well. That's Drew Locke. That's Sam Darnold. Again, playmaker is fine, but in the NFL, many of the great coaches give you defined reads. That's, by the way,

Stefansky with Baker. Throw less, have more defined reads, more play action, and Baker looks better. Having the ability to make those plays, though, is a... Yes. It is a good feature. He's a special athlete. Yes. So the NFL draft will be held in Cleveland this year. You and I both really enjoyed the draft last year.

I think most people did. It was normally the draft has become obviously a very, very big event. And when we saw what it was in Nashville, it's like I've never seen anything like it. Yeah. Well, it's going to be in Cleveland this year. It's going to be a little more toned down than Nashville was, obviously, pre-pandemic. But the first group of prospects have accepted invitations, the ones that were announced the first group of attendees include two of the drafts top quarterbacks.

Trey Lance and Mack Jones have accepted invites. Three of its elite pass catchers, Kyle Pitts, Jamar Chase, and DeMonte Smith will also be there. We'll also see Michael Parsons, Patrick Sertan II, Caleb Farley, Christian Barmore. So there's about 10 guys of the top guys that are going to go. Trevor Lawrence is going to be at home. He's not going to be at the draft. I'm excited for the draft to be back in person, though. While it was really special to see everyone's families,

it was very personal, especially during a time but we had nothing live on television, so we didn't know how this was going to go, like what the production was going to be, because it's a lot. I mean, you're going back and forth between a lot of cameras, as we know, because we do this every day, technology just sometimes just decides it's not working today.

And it was flawless. I thought they did an incredible job with the draft last year. And it was something I think we all needed, which is why I think we'll personally remember it a little bit more because it was the first live thing we were able to watch sports-related. Oh, yeah. I remember people like NFL reporters saying, you can't do this.

This is outrageous. It's like, no, no, we need this. You know, I was thinking about this the other day, Joy. So I talk NFL. NFL is the number one topic on our show. Second's probably NBA, especially during the playoffs. I don't do a ton of regular season, unless it's LeBron or Katie or whatever. And I was singing the other day, my third most talked about topic is the draft, because it combines college and pro.

And I was saying, now, now, I don't talk a lot of regular season baseball. It doesn't rate. I don't talk hockey. It doesn't rate. Well, college football is up there as well. Yeah, yeah. But I think I talk more draft than I do college football. And the reason I do it is because it combines two of my three favorite sports, NFL, NFL.

college. I guess my point is college football now. The draft will outrate the first round of the baseball, NBA, and hockey playoff ratings. The draft has become bigger than almost, then literally from a talk talking point perspective

all but college football and pro football as a topic. Well, it sells hope. Everybody loves their draft. Everybody loves hope. Everyone loves their draft. You get your grades. You look at all the players your teams have had and like you're filling positions of need and your every single team feels good after the draft. Like that's just, that's how it is. So it, and it's a great, it's a great show as well. Like you enjoy seeing these kids lives changed and their reaction to their families. And it's just like, it's a, it's a, it's kind of like in a weird way, like a

graduation that like everyone enjoys going to. Right. But I'm glad it'll be back in person. It is nice to have them, you know, come up and get their picture with the commissioner and all of that. And then next year it'll be in Vegas, which they had big plans for last year. So I'm sure that one is going to be a huge show. So Kevin Durant returned last night against the Pelicans after a 22 game absence due to a strained hamstring. KD has been the starter his entire career, but he revealed he did not mind being reserved for the Nets. I expected to come out here and play the way I played. I wasn't trying to ease into the game.

I just wanted to go out there and doubt right into the action. I mean, the game was already fast-paced already, so I'm watching it from the bench. I know exactly how I needed to approach it. But it was pretty cool coming off the bench. I can't lie. But it was also good to play in front of the fans as well. I like the mentality of the Brooklyn Nets. I love that everyone is buying into what they're doing there.

I like their scores. Yeah, well, yes, that part too. They're very impressive. KD played for 19 minutes. It went five for five, 17.7 rebounds, five assists, and one. block and they blew out the Pelicans 139-11. He had been averaging 34 minutes a game

in his first season with Brooklyn. Kyrie Irving led the nets with 24 points and the Marcus Aldridge added 22 of his own. James Hardin is currently out indefinitely with a strained hamstring. Yeah. I'm sure. Katie is back so it did kind of line up that way

that Hardin needs some time off and Katie is coming back. But they are going to ease him back in as they should. You want everybody healthy for the play. way better way faster than I thought. I was so worried about chemistry. And in the end, if you got shot makers, you got shot makers. That and all the role players in this team and the stars seem to buy into a really unselfish mentality.

Like, however we win is how we win. If it's Katie's night, great. If it's Kyrie's night, great. Hardin's been leading the charge since Katie has been out. And for having a lot of really, really big names in this team, everybody seems to be for the team. It just seems like it's a good culture there. I think it's a credit to Steve Nash, too, coming in in a situation with a lot of big egos and stars to manage, and it seems like everybody is buying into it. Yeah, are you coaching this team or managing it? It's probably a little of both.

Joe Torrey with the Yankees, it's like, I remember one interview he's like, when you have that much talent, you're kind of managing it. Yeah, well, I mean, there's probably not many players in this team that still need to be coached very hard. At this point, they all know how to play the game of basketball. It's just a matter of tweaking. But for the stars, you're just sort of setting up a game plan and moving things around. A lot of the coaching you're doing is for the role players. Terry Stott's, the coach of Portland. I had him on a podcast.

They were talking Dame Lillard. I said, so what do you do a minute left? And he's like, the only thing I worry about is just get him the ball and then he'll intuitively figure out the play. Don't overcoach great. You got to coach good. Yes. Got to coach average.

Great. Just get him the ball. Get him a little space. And get him the support thing. Yeah, and now they'll figure out what to do. And I think with Brooklyn, a lot of this is just make sure you guys get your shots. They'll figure it out. Yeah.

Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. So Peter Schrager, who I love and admire, NFL Insider for Fox, has his own mock draft. I think, if I recall, he does every pick for every team. Eventually, he did his first round today, his top 10 picks. See, and this is why it made.

make sense. So I'm doing a mock draft again today. I've done two. I'm doing a third. The last 15 minutes of the show, I'm doing a mock draft. So his mock draft has Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Mack Jones. Okay. He has the Patriots trading from 15 to four with Atlanta. Now, I think this is what Atlanta should do. I don't think they need a quarterback. And this is what I think New England should do because I think Cam at 32 and beat up is not your long-term future. I think New England has to find a 10 to 15-year quarterback. So it's very interesting. He also has Kyle Pitts and Arizona trading up to get Kyle Pitts. You know what?

So this actually makes a lot of sense. I do think Atlanta's got a ton of power. He's got Cincinnati going wide receiver. I still contend they go to the offensive line. That's my only disagreement. And if they do go to the offensive line, I don't think Miami can pass up Kyle Pitts. I do not believe. I just don't believe he's in your state.

There's a lot of Florida Gator fans in Miami. He's in your state. He's great. You know, I was thinking about this joy with Mac Jones. If the Niners don't take Mac Jones, he's not going to come back to burn you. Because if you get Mac Jones in a system that's not ideal for him, he'll be a bust.

Like Kyle Pitts you pass on him, he could come back to haunt you. Chase Young. When you get these guys, you know, the reality is if you're sitting there and you're on the fence, is one of the decisions, okay, if we don't take him, does he come back to haunt us? Remember when you had LeBron and Carmelo?

You had to take LeBron. It didn't matter if Carmel. You had to take LeBron because he could come back and haunt you. He was that kind of town. Andrew Lachian. You got to take him. Or they're going to haunt you because they're marketing and their name. LeBron was going to, his marketing, his smile, his game.

You just got to take him. And so you don't have to take Mac Jones even if you like him. Because in 20 of the systems in the NFL, he's just going to get engulfed. He works with San Francisco. There's no guarantee he works everywhere else. So that's why, like, my thing is, I would worry if I don't take Justin Fields and he ends up with like a really, like with New England at four, I look like an idiot the next 12 years because Belichick and Josh McDaniels in that offensive line.

Like, Matt Jones goes to New England. I don't think he's hosting a bunch of trophies and leading the league in anything. Justin Fields needs the right landing spot. He gets it. You could look really silly. That's what concerns. Sometimes you're just protecting yourself and your legacy. Speaking of the legacies, Barry Alvarez, you can make an argument,

and I've made this argument, the most important college football coach ever. Alabama's coaches win, Oklahoma's win, U.S.C.'s win, Notre Dame's win. Wisconsin's don't necessarily until Barry Alvarez arrived. He is going to retire June 30th. He's our guest next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, I'm John Middlecoff, and I host the three-and-out podcast.

Do you like football? Do you like the NFL? Do you like the NFL draft? Quarterbacks, coaches. Well, I talk about it all on the show. I used to work for Andy Reid as a scout. Now I give you my unfiltered and raw opinions on everything that goes on the NFL. And you know we're talking college football because of how important the draft is year-round.

Listen to the three-and-out podcast with me, John Middlecock, on the I-Hart Radio. app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game.

His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted. at this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall.

And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down.

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Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you saw it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets. And just then, we felt the plain turn in the air, so much so that the bags that were under people's seats

just kind of flew into the aisle. Each week, we dive headfirst into the complex power of secrecy, how it shapes our identities and relationships, and how it ultimately can reveal to us our truest selves. My daughter, she's pretending she doesn't know, but is trying to cook and feed me and keep me alive because I wasn't eating anything, and me pretending like everything was fine.

He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move. And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off, and that was the last time I saw him. Listen to Season 14 of Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. People don't understand when Barry Alvarez took over the Wisconsin football program, I'm a college football addict. It wasn't a mediocre program rebuilding. It was awful. It was a bottom five program in the country.

It's not a state that produces great high school football talent like an Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, Florida. He has turned Wisconsin into one of the great athletic departments, a top five in the country. Barry Alvarez, 32 years at Wisconsin, 18 as the AD, in which his teams won 16 national team titles. That's unbelievable. And then 16 as a coach, he won three Big Ten championships and three Rose Bulls. I think he was an underdog in most of those, and he joins me now live. He's retiring here. Yeah, you know, here's what's funny.

So when you took over Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio State or Penn State were on the, well, Penn State wasn't there yet, but they were at the top of the world. SEC wasn't as big a deal. And you walk into Wisconsin, what was your first speech that we're going to win here? We're going to win at Wisconsin, because I'm not sure I would have believed it. How did you sell people on the belief that Wisconsin could matter? Well, when we first came here, actually, Colin,

we came from Notre Dame after our bowl game, had one month before signing. I was able to put a staff together quickly. And that first signing group, We had one month to sign, and that group basically was the foundation of our first Rose Bowl four years later. We sold Blue Sky, but we sold the fact that we knew how to win. This is a great opportunity for young people to play right away. We all had coached the championship teams, the guys that I put on my staff.

And, you know, we were good salesmen. And we just felt that Madison was a great place to play. We knew we could, you know, we could have success. that they stuck with us. And, you know, then we've really got after the players that were here. Those that, you know, those that could play moved on. And those who couldn't keep up, they moved on. When did you realize?

When was the moment the epiphany? You're talking to your wife. You're driving to work. And you're like, we can play with anybody here at Wisconsin. My last game, my first year, we went one of the first year. We went one in ten. And we're playing Michigan State. They've got a bowl clinched already.

But our guys played, they played their hearts out. I knew right then we had the players. You know, they had the attitude. They played hard. We didn't have much talent on offense. We couldn't move the ball defensively. We were playing pretty well. I knew right there we had the kids.

They bought into what we were selling. I knew we could recruit well enough. that we're going to get better each year. And I thought our second year had that group been with us for a while, we probably could have won seven or eight games that year. The next year we were five and six, and that group probably could have won eight or nine games, had they known how to win.

So it took us a while to teach how to get over the hump, how to win games, how to believe you're going to win and have confidence. And the next year, we won the league and won the Rose Bowl. You had multiple opportunities to leave. I think Miami came after you a couple of times. You could have gone to sunnier places, easier places to recruit. You never left. You stayed at Wisconsin.

Why? My wife and I decided we wanted to find some place and call it home. We wanted to build a program, sustain it. We did not want to be vagabond coaches in moving around, looking and I never had a dream job. I thought we could turn this into a dream job. So we wanted a place where we could raise our kids, raise a family, a place that we could call home.

And I patterned my career after my college coach, Bob Devaney, at Nebraska, where he built a football program. Then he took over his athletic director, sustained the program, and built the rest of the athletic program. And that's how I try to pattern my, program and hopefully I've been able to do that. By the way, if you've never been to Camp Randall, folks, it is an absolutely insane place to watch a football game. It is nuts. It's a top five play. Look at that. It's just insane. And by the way, it's a great school, not just an athletic partner. What is your

proudest moment, AD or coach, your proudest moment as a badger? I think probably getting to that first road. Rose Bowl and winning it. You know, you come in here, any kid that grew up in the Midwest wanted to go to the Rose Bowl, had dreams of going to the Rose Bowl. And that's what, you know, that was our goal. That was our vision. When we took the job, we talked to our players about that.

I had a sign put in our practice. You left our practice facility. The road to the Rose Bowl starts here. That was our vision and to reach it in a short amount of time. And then go win it. that was pretty special. And the following we had from our fans, you know, Pasadena and L.A. turned red. Yep.

And I would guess that 75% of that stadium was in red. And I can remember my driver at the Rose Bowl, the year prior, he was the president of the UCLA student body. And he says a few days before the game, Coach, do you understand what's going on? I said, no, I don't know what you're talking about. He said, you know, the UCLA fan aren't probably as loyal as the Wisconsin fans. Tickets are really hard to get. They're dumping, the UCLA people are dumping their tickets. Your guys are, your people are snapping up all the tickets.

And sure enough, when you look at the picture of the stadium, that day I had one in my office, you know, the card section at UCLA is primarily red. They're selling their tickets buying colored TVs and our people, just trying to get in the game. By the way, Wisconsin fans also drink and eat. Invite them to a bowl game, folks. You know, Barry, when you, and I've said this before, I think what you did at Wisconsin reminds me of what Bill Snyder did at Kansas State.

I think you two can make an argument have done the greatest job at any individual school. Bamma's won them with a lot of coaches and so is Oklahoma. It's funny, though. You were a coach, and then you became an athletic director who had to manage coaches. are coaches now when you look back a little bit of a pain in the butt were you a pain in the butt ever to deal with your with your AD? No, I was pretty good. Actually, I was very easy.

I always felt, and I said this when I took the job as athletic director, I feel as though I might have an advantage of over some athletic directors dealing with coaches. My coaches all feel comfortable coming to me and asking for advice. there's nothing that they've gone through that I hadn't gone through. I can give them advice. I can judge a job not only by what their one loss record is, but whether I think they have the team, their team, are they getting better,

all those type things. So I've really used coaching to help me be a good athletic director. Boy, what a career you've had. I'm looking at some of these pictures. What a career you had. Man. You know what? Wisconsin also, and I read a story about this several years ago, Wisconsin's

athletic department, a lot of your programs actually make money. We only have about a minute left. Was COVID tough in your athletic department financially? Where are you guys at financially? Is that hard for athletic departments? Sure. You go from 80 plus thousand in the stands to zero. we took a cut in TV revenue, et cetera.

We probably, we ended up coming out better than we anticipated, probably, you know, a loss of in the 50 to 60 million dollar range. Wow. Wow. And by the way, that's Wisconsin. And then Wisconsin's a great athletic department. I'll tell you what, Barry, you should be darn proud. It's a great program. Any kid that's watching this, give Wisconsin a look. the stadium, the campus.

I've been there five or six times. I'm not sure my kids could get into Wisconsin. You've got pretty darn high standards there. It's great seeing you. Congratulations on a staggeringly impressive career and go badgers. All right. Thanks, Colin. Always a pleasure.

All right. The great Barry Alvarez. Did you hear that, Joy? 50 million in losses. Yeah. And so Wisconsin can handle that. Wisconsin can take that TV money and handle it. What's Oregon State do?

What's Purdue do? No, it's really remarkable when you think that that's the losses that these schools had and then you look at how impressive the tournament that men's and women's side. Everybody beats up on the NCAA. I'm over it. Like, it's not perfect. It drives me nuts. Well, nothing is perfect, and it can be better.

And, you know, some disasters that happened could have been avoided. No question. But I will say, overall, all of these sports commissioners and people running, programs like that have done a tremendous job under very high pressure situations to keep the programs afloat and make sure that they continue on. I mean, we were just talking about the draft not that long ago in the show. It's been incredible what everyone's been able to do. Yeah, you just look at these pictures of Barry. I remember those Rose Bulls, the Ron Dane Rose Bulls. And Wisconsin is, you know, it's funny, Nebraska and Wisconsin are very similar. Wisconsin's

kept growing. Nebraska feels like it's plateaued. And I have no idea why, because Nebraska has had good coaches. But Wisconsin has just never slowed down. It's just an un-everything. I mean, they have hockey programs make money there. And they have a weather disadvantage. There's no question. They got a weather disadvantage to a large degree. All right, hour three, Dave Wonstat, the great storyteller, and I'll have another mock draft toe-to-to-to-to with Bucky Brooks. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Tolodano. It's our favorite time of on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season.

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