The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/09/2021 - HOUR 2 - Trash talk, Draymond

Episode Date: April 9, 2021

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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Iheart, radio, Fox Sports Radio, right here in FS1. I am not Joy Taylor, a fan of people who romanticize the past at all. It drives me nuts. Hospitals are better now. Foods better. I mean, I'll give you an example. I go to a dentist now.

When I was a kid, I was a kid. I didn't know into a dentist. It hurt. It's painful. I go to a dentist now. He uses lasers and stuff. And literally the teeth cleaning, it takes like 10 minutes. I got kind of a bad left, too. You know, when you get, I've eaten a lot of steak. And bad left molar a little bit. And sometimes it can be painful. Not anymore, lasers. A dentist used to be something like the two things. You dreaded going to. No, I mean, you dreaded going to the dentist. I mean, I've been to the, I have been to a hospital. I'm apparently clumsy three times and six years in L.A. The quality of the care is unbelievable. Communication is easier.

Can you imagine this years ago? You're in a relationship. You got kids at home. You left the house. There's no way to get a hold of your wife. If something happened at the house, you're at the house. You've got to get a hold of your wife. can't get a hold of her.

Yeah, you used to have to tell people where you were going. Everywhere. You have to use pay phones. Yeah, you always have to have change with you. I don't remember last time I've seen a pay phone. So communication's better. Health care. Everything's better in America.

Now, that doesn't mean life is more complex now. Sure. It's more expensive now. The gap between halves and have-nots is greater now, although we've always had that gap, but it is greater now. Technology has kind of exploded the high-end earners in America. memories feel good though everybody wants to talk about the good old days they weren't good they weren't that great i got news for you it just wasn't that great i'm old enough i lived

through the 70s and 80s everything's better now and um it's same in the NBA god if i have to hear how great it used to be so people forget this here's the 1999 NBA finals nicks and the spurs these are the score 4977, 87, 87, 78 77, 89, 81. It sounds like you're reading the tournament scores. There were almost no elite shooters. People romanticized the New York Knicks teams. They didn't have a single elite shooter.

They had multiple guys that you could never give an 18 foot or two. Oh, the Pacers series against the Knicks. Go look up the free throw shots attempted. You could tackle people. There's a reason the NBA changed that's ruled. The NBA has never been more skilled. Now, I do think aesthetically, all these three-pointers can get kind of boring. Like, I wish they'd take the three-point shot in the NBA and the three-point arc.

And about six feet from the baseline, it would go right into the bench, meaning there's no more corner threes. Meaning you could defend the wing three more easily, meaning the percentages would go down, meaning it would create more mid-range shots, which I think have value. The corner three is impossible to defend. When the Warriors had Clay Steph and Durant, impossible. Durant's in the corner. Your bigs have to go out. You can't hand check.

Steph drives by. It was just impossible to defend the Warriors. Impossible. And you should be able to be able to defend even a great offense. Have a shot to defend them. In the NFL, you can defend Kansas City. You don't want to have an offense that's so dominant you can't ever defend them. So Draymond, and I'm leading to this,

Draymond Green was lamenting some of the younger players in the NBA these days on a Michael Irvin podcast. It's more talent around the league, I think, than it's ever been. For sure. I mean, I think from a talent standpoint, the league is in the good space.

You know what I'm saying? But as pure basketball lovers, you know what I'm saying, who love competition and like to see everybody competing at the highest level, I think they got to catch up in that department. They soft as hell. Man, I found myself this year trying to talk to some of these young dudes that won't talk.

And they like trying to be a friend. Yeah. But that's what these young dudes do nowadays, man. I don't understand it. Well, that's because, Draymond, you're not a highly skilled player. You're more of a troll. You're a hell of a talented troll. But highly skilled players, and the NBA has never been this skilled because it's more European

and European players come from their academy system. They're highly skilled at 13, 14, 15. I mean, Luca is a mile ahead of most American kids at 28. He's like 20, 21. So the reason guys don't talk trash, it's actually smart. It's the reason hockey players don't fight. The sport's too fast. Power plays are deaf.

That's why you don't have like thugs in hockey anymore. You can't afford it. The game's too fast. If you can't skate at a fast level, you're a total liability. So this idea, guys used to talk trash. And that's because the league didn't. didn't have many skilled players and there was a bunch of guys whose whole game was to be a troll, was to be like a wrestler, to be a tackler.

I mean, it's like football. Sports are always better if you let the stars shine. Hockey is better when they stopped allowing grabbing and clutching and stars could be stars. Hockey now is so fast compared to the 70s and 80s. The NFL's better now. There's more space. You can't crush a receiver. So receivers are willing to go over the middle.

receivers have more space, more freedom. Quarterbacks can't be hit. Basketball is better when you can't tackle the players. I mean, people forget what football looked like. If you watch college football in the 70s and 80s, I'm not joking, it is insane how awful offense was. Many of the best programs, Oklahoma and Nebraska, Texas, used one wide receiver, had three running backs behind the quarterback.

everybody was jammed in about a 90-yard space. It's like football's better, skills better, the breathing's better. You got more room to do stuff. You can't rip somebody's head off. So basketball, I don't love how many three-point shots there are today, but the reason people aren't talking trash, and that was Draymond Green on Kevin Durant's podcast, is the league doesn't have as much room for unskilled trolls.

If you have one in a roster, That's it. That's about all you can afford. If you have two guys on the floor that can't shoot, you're not a playoff team in the NBA. You just simply not a playoff team. I mean, Blake Griffin went from mattering to a liability to a lot of teams. He couldn't shoot in about a four-year period. All right.

Eric Mangini is going to join us. Eric disagrees with me on virtually everything, which is unfortunate, but it makes for better television. He is now joining us live. Three Super Bowls of the Patriots. That's okay. I don't mind when people disagree with them. I'm confident. I'm very fine with that. So I would imagine my takeaway on Sam Donald with the Panthers is he doesn't cost you a ton.

The quarterback draft next year in college at this point does not look great. You bring him on a much less toxic environment. You know, after a camp in a few games, you'll know if it's right or wrong, but it's not a punitive contract. So to me, what I don't want to be is Washington sitting with Ryan Fitzpatrick next year with a bad college draft. That's what I don't want to be. So I like the darn old, I like the Panthers move. Your thoughts on it. I think it's an okay move. I like the Carson Wentz move a lot better than I like this move. You've got Teddy Bridgewater there. To move on from him, it's going to be about 20 million. And Sam's going to cost you another $4 million this year. And then you're picking up his fifth

year option. So you've got that commitment as well. And Teddy Bridgewater was better statistically in every category last year. So you really have to fundamentally believe that he was mismanaged at the Jets and mismanaged badly and that you're going to be able to get things out of him that he hasn't shown. And when you look at Carson Wentz,

at least he's shown playing at a really high level for a decent amount of time so you can hang your hat on that. So Joe and I are kind of stunned by the Mac Jones stuff. So Nick Wright the other day, I thought put it well. he said the reason the Niners want to move, one of the reasons the Niners want to move off Garapolo, he's got a fairly low ceiling. Well, a lot of people say with Mack Jones, he's not athletic.

He's like unathletic, so he's got a fairly low ceiling. And it's like, that's why they're moving off him. Like, of all the quarterbacks to draft, you may not love Justin Fields, but his ceiling's higher. The Niners giving up all those picks for Mack Jones, I got to be honest with you, I just don't quite, get it. I think there's real limitations with him athletically. What's your thoughts? Well, whoever they take

is going to be fascinating because you're giving up three number one draft picks for potentially what's the third best quarterback in this draft. That's amazing. And this is a group that passed on Patrick Mahomes and passed on Deshaun Watson. So now you're banking that they're going to get this one right.

And if you look at Mack Jones, you can fall in love with his, his completion percentage and his touchdown to interception ratio, but he's borderline playing on a pro team right now. It's so hard to evaluate those guys from Alabama because everybody on the team is better than everybody they play. So projecting them into a situation where they've got to carry the team and really being able to evaluate how much of it is him versus how much of it is the surrounding cast makes it hard. And his numbers are very similar to Tua's.

And to some degree with Justin Fields, you do like the upside of the fact that he can run. He's not a runner, but he can run and he can create some plays. Yeah. And now you may have questions about, you know, is he a full field reading quarterback? What type of potential development does he have? But you're going to have that with a lot of guys. Yeah. So, you know, I made an argument the other day to keep Matt Ryan.

And I said, Atlanta's got the number four pick. They got a million needs on this roster. The only thing they've done well for three years to pass, that is the only thing they've done well. And I said, if last four years with two different coordinators, and I'm not counting Kyle Shanahan, who was the best of their coordinators, last four years with two coordinators, he's led the NFL in attempts, completions, and yards. and I'm like, if you love Trey Lance,

if you think he could do that at any point, that's pretty, I mean, that's a little whimsical. I mean, that's hard for Brady to do over a four-year stretch. So I don't get Atlanta in the quarterback need. I just don't get it. What would you do if you ran Atlanta with number four? You had a 35-year-old Matt Ryan. What would you do?

Yeah, look, you say that we always disagree on everything. I agree with you. 100%. They should stay with Matt Ryan. And ideally, I'm not sure who would be willing to move up, but if you could get someone to move up and add a significant amount of picks, I mean, the market's been set pretty high in terms of what draft value is in that range, and load up the team or at least try to reload the team to some degree with a volume of picks, I think you can win with Matt Ryan. And, you know, his numbers have been good as you outlined. And, you know, you could say it's him, but there are a lot of other problems that Atlanta faced last year that, you know, he covered up to some degree.

You know, Joy and I, she used to work in Miami, so she gets more heat, which I'm fond of her getting heat because I get it all day from everybody. So it's about time Joy got some. That's a terrible thing to say as a teammate. That's fine. I'm glad it's not me, Joy. I can take it. But it is interesting with Tua. and I had an old, Tom Penn used to run an NBA team.

He's a friend of mine. And Tom Ola said, the first thing I trust my eyes and then I look at data. I don't want to look at data first. I'm going to watch all my years in the NBA. I'm going to trust my eyes. And then I'm going to go to the data, see if the data tells me what my eyes think. And if they do, I know I got it right. The conflict is if the data tells me something differently than my eyes, then I'm going to bring the scouts in and everything.

My eyes tell me on Tua, he's just not that dynamic. The data tells me he's not very dynamic. At some point, how many games into this year? Knowing your personality, you'd probably back to it for one more year. Right? Like one more year. Yeah. But what will be the moment, Eric, that what would you have to see this year where you're like,

okay, enough is enough, we got to change at this position. And that's what I was talking about with Mack Jones, is he looked to a look really dynamic at Alabama with all the talent that he was surrounded by. And then you go into pro football and, you know, that tends to decrease because you're not, you're not as gifted across the board. You've got to give them a chance to grow it. And you remember our discussion in the middle of the season when they put him in? And I said, is this an ownership decision?

Or as the head coach really decided this is the right time for him to go in? I don't think he was necessarily ready to go in at, at that point, but I think ownership said you got to push him in. He's got to play. So now you've got to give him the best opportunity to grow within the system and some time. I would think at least this year and probably part of next year. It's early and guys can continue to grow. Yeah.

But you know, it's dangerous because when you brought FavV in, you didn't want Fav there. We all know that. But in the end, you were secure. That thing went sideways and suddenly ownership. starts blaming the coach, Eric Mangini. I mean, that's the world we live in. So, you know, I mean, you lost your job in New York because you were secure. It was man genius.

Farve goes a little sideways. It's like, oh, it's Mangini's fault. My question for Brian Flores, it looks great today. But if you are eight and eight down the stretch and not going to make the playoffs, the Dolphins have a history. They fire coaches. That's what worries me. That's how selfish I would be as a coach.

I look at your history. You fire coaches. Yeah, that's, that's. That's exactly the problem. And oftentimes you want to be the good organizational head coach and you want to do what's best, not just short term and long term, but you get in these situations where you're going to be held accountable for the short term outcomes. And people tend to forget the long term discussions that you had when things do go sideways. And that patience level goes from, look, we're going to give him at least three years to you've messed this guy up.

And we got to get somebody else out here. I mean, that's exactly what happened to you in New York. By the way, do you like as a coach, did you like the draft? Did it make you anxious? Did you look forward to it three weeks out? I loved the draft. I loved the draft. My favorite part about the draft was learning about the people.

And I was a big believer, Colin, in that talent sets the floor and character sets the ceiling. And I wanted guys with very specific. intangibles that I knew if we brought him in, average was going to become good, good was going to become great, and great was going to become a Hall of Famer. So as we talk about all these different players, you can turn on the tape and watch the talent level. But until you know the human being and the effect he's going to have in the locker room, you don't really understand the player.

And that part always fascinated me. Yeah. By the way, what are you going to do this weekend in Cleveland? What are the plans? Oh, we got a beautiful weather here, Colin, and the boys are, my two oldest are playing lacrosse tonight. My youngest is playing lacrosse on Sunday. Oh. Not really, not really my sport.

I don't totally understand it yet. I'm trying. It actually is a great sport. Eric Mangini, good seeing you, coach. All right. Have a great weekend, guys. Yeah. Yeah, the two of stuff, it really is interesting because Mangini got fired in New York.

They love Mangini. He was Mangenius. The media loved him. Everybody loved him. They brought in Favre. Mangini didn't want to bring him in. He's like, no, no, no. Now it's going to become one star in 53 other guys or $50 dollar guys.

I was just talking to Brian Costello at the New York Post about this yesterday. He didn't want him. Man Gini was secure. By the end of the year, Mangini's gone. You couldn't figure out Fav. And he was like, I didn't want Farr. I thought he was an aging star would separate the locker room. I like Brett, but it wasn't good for our locker room.

So, you know, everybody loves Brian Flores today. but if you don't make the playoffs again, well, you know, you can't figure this to a thing out. This is the way owners work. These are billionaires. They get their way. I mean, I have talked to so many coaches and GMs about ownership situations. Owners, because when you're that wealthy, you get your way a lot. It can be a bad loss.

You talk to one of your rich friends. You come down. You want to flush everybody out. And Friday night, you had dinner with a coach, and Monday you want to fire him. Like, that's not uncommon. Somebody's going to write a book, somebody's going to write a book. about owners in the NFL, it is not uncommon. It's like a boys' club.

Of all the ownership groups, you don't see a lot of NFL teams sold. Once you're in that club, nobody wants to sell. It's the best club to be in. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraging. It's the enhanced games.

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There's not as much sports. How about, you know how Monday I do Colin right, Colin wrong? I was thinking about doing an all time the most wrong I've ever been, my seven or eight most wrong things I've ever been wrong and my six or seven most right things ever like doing a best of because I thought of two wrongs that are almost one of them being Adam Gase where all my sources it's funny I just again I talked to Brian Costello from the New York Post on a podcast this morning and I said this is what I heard about Gase and he's like yeah I heard the same stuff he goes I thought he was going to work and I'm like all my sources told me you would yeah I didn't

think that was going to work that the first of first press conference when he kind of was all over the joint, it was not good. I like that idea. I think the internet will like that idea as well. So the most wrong. The most wrong. And the most right, though. That's right. A lot of those, too. Don't kid yourself. A lot of rights. What have you been the most right about? Well, I always said, Westbrook's not a winning player. He's fascinating. But there was a time, there was a long stretch where people thought Westbrook over Durant Hardin was the brilliant move.

And my takeaway was, I always thought he was a win killer. He was just, he was just, I always said he's a Tasmanian devil. A lot of activity, most of it not good. But it's fascinating. I'd pay to watch it, but he's not a winning player. You currently stand right about that, yeah? I feel pretty good about that one. The Adam Gase one's not one of my better days.

And I was really dismissive of those who he's. You should take some comfort in knowing you weren't the only one who thought that was going to work. I did. It's a great comfort in it last night. We'll think about doing that. Joy with the news. No. No. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line

news. Well, as a result of Adam Gates not working, Sam Darnel was traded to the Panthers. And Jets' GM, Joe Douglas knew that it was a decision that was going to be met with some pushback, but he stands by his choice, saying whether I look bad or not, I could give two bleeps about

that. I know that he's going to have success. The timing didn't really work out for him here. We couldn't turn this around fast enough for him. That's not his fault. I root for good people and that dude's a good man and he's going to do good things. I believe that. So do I. I think this is, um, this is important for him to say because every trade and every cut doesn't necessarily have to mean it's the end. And it doesn't mean that I should be a winner or a loser. Some situations just don't work. Have the conversation to Sam Darnold better than Zach Wilson right now. We don't know. And maybe he is. But that doesn't matter because that's not why Sam Donald was moved. He

He wasn't moved because the Jets think he's incapable of playing quarterback. It's that they don't know what he's capable of. They just got a new head coach. They're retooling for the future. And they have to pay Sam Donald very soon if he stays. So if he doesn't end up working out and they have to move off of him, next year's draft isn't as good. It's just not like, as he said, the timing didn't line up. He had time in New York.

It was squandered by Adam Gase's regime there. And now it's time for everyone to move things around. Well, like with Justin Herbert, the timing was perfect. He stayed in school a year longer, unlike Donald. He came in very refined. He came into weapons. He came into a good roster. And so when he came in, the timeline was good.

It's like, oh, they've got weapons. He's got four years, three years of starting. He's ready to be productive. Even though the coach got fired, the timeline for Herbert and the Chargers, they had everything right except kind of the O line and the quarterback. Well, also, the coach didn't get fired because of dysfunction. the coach got fired because of expectations. That's right.

Which is a very big difference for why Adam Gaze was to let go. Yeah. So the Chargers, speaking of the Chargers, left tackle Sam Tevey, signed with the Colts this offseason, leaving Justin Herbert without any protection on his blind side. And head coach Brandon Staley spoke about the need to fill that position and protect their quarterback. There's certainly, you know, a hole there right now. We feel like we have some tackle prospects, you know, on the roster that could certainly play there.

definitely, you know, that's going to be a piece that we need to fill before July and, you know, we're excited to do it. But we really like the way we've started in free agency with the interior of our line. The Chargers currently have the 13th pick in the draft. Herbert said it would be a dream come true to be reunited with Penae Soel. I don't think he's going to be there at 13. They have signed Corey Lindley, Matt Filer. By the way, Lindley is a huge get. Now, the good news for the Chargers is this draft has four or five legitimate tackles, and they can get one.

Now, the question is, if they don't get Austin Vera Tucker at 13, which I think he'll be gone by then. If they get him, I think they'd be very, very happy. Because all my guys, all my GMs think he's terrific, even the ones that don't need to tackle, love Austin Vera Tucker at USC. You can put him inside or outside. Super smart, hard work. Really, like, no flag. like a great kid. USC loves him. Everybody loves him.

He's one of the few no red flag guys in the draft. He's just not as dominant as Penae Sewell. I don't think he's going to be available at 13. So the question then is, do you trade down a couple spots? Because then the tackles that you'd want are going to be available like 26 all through the second round. Because you don't want to reach at tackle. Virginia Tech's got a left tackle. Some flags.

Not everybody loves him. That's probably a reach. So that's the Atlanta situation. What they need it for, they'd be overdraft. So move down to 11 or 12 or 15 with New England. Then that corner or that edge rusher, quitty pay at Michigan, Greg Russo, Miami is not a reach. Well, they really only need one more dominant offensive linemen at this point. And they're set as a team.

Right. So they may need to move up, actually, because like that's very important for them at this point, Justin Herbert having a solid offensive line. What's interesting. So let's say the draft, you know, we've done three mock drafts, Joy. Let's say the draft starts going and either Slater or Penae, because, you know, first bunch of teams take quarterbacks. And then all of a sudden, Kyle Pitts gets taken.

And then all of a sudden, Jamar Chase is filthy, talented. And all of a sudden, you have the 13th pick and the seventh pick. And you have both Slater and Penae Sewell available. So now you're only moving up five or six spots instead of like nine. Yeah. So then it gets interesting because Tom Tilless, He's aggressive. When I was in that war room, they tried to move up twice.

Like, he gets on the phone. That's an organization willing to roll the dice. And I do wonder, I mean, we've already seen a bunch of moves and trades in the draft. I do wonder if this year, because we thought there was going to be a lot of trades last year, I wonder if people were more hesitant because of, like, the technology and it was just kind of an unprecedented situation. I wonder if people are going to be more aggressive draft day this year than they were last year. So Charles Barkley was pretty high on the Clippers last season, as was I and many others, even guaranteeing them to beat the nuggets.

He is not so high on them this year, though he shared his thoughts last night on the NBA on T&T. Charles Barkley really said the Clippers weren't contenders. Well, let me tell you something, Manuel. I've been poor, I've been rich, I've been fat, I've been skinny, I've been old, I've been in the Hall of Fame. And one thing I can always tell you, the Clippers have all. always sucked. It is harsh, but I will say this.

They've given us no reason to trust them in the playhouse. No, no. And I don't, I do not trust them. I do not like being made to be a liar. It is not what I do. And maybe I sell my stock too soon, but you made me look at a fool one time, and I will not forget it. I'm very petty. So now you have

to prove it to me. That's right. And I mean, they fell apart. They fell apart. And it seemed like they fell apart because they didn't have a leader. And that's something that you need to identify early. I mean, this is professional sports. There's got to be somebody in the locker room who can keep this thing together.

I think it's kind of fast, because I love Kauai Leonard's game. But it is... I love Kauai. But it is fascinating. He is twice in his career, joined a great culture and just been the assassin.

Comes in, and he's the icing to a great cake. But when you ask him to build the culture, like a Tim Duncan or LeBron, he doesn't appear to be the guy to do that. It's fascinating, isn't it? It's like, we know,

We know Kauai's a top five player. But he's not a top five culture builder. But he's been in the league long enough that you know that. Well, I know, but when the Clippers made a move for him, I don't know if people, I think people now today know it. But when they made a move for him, San Antonio. I guess I just felt like the Clippers had a stronger culture than they did. That's why, because I don't, I'm with you.

I don't look at Kauai as somebody who's going to go in and set the tone. That's why I thought that the Raptors were going to win when they got him, because the Raptors were consistently the top of the east every single year and couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs. We bring in someone like Kawhi, that's how that can happen, because Kawhi is a champion and he knows how to win championships. So I guess I just thought the culture with the Clippers was stronger than it was, because I didn't think that was going to be on him.

Now, they're third in the West, so it's not like they're any worse than they were last year with all the retooling that they've done. They've won nine of their last 11 games. three in a row and our one game behind the Suns for the second seed in the West. They beat the Suns 113 last night. But yeah, I'm in Prove it mode with the Clippers. I'm in as harsh as Chuck, but. I think you fall into the category of almost every non-Clipper fan.

Prove it. Yeah. You're not going to get me again. Yeah, Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Former Scout with multiple NFL teams.

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he's one of those guys that my people all respect. And Daniel Jeremiah put out a mock draft this week. And it was interesting because there's three big things that jump out to me. So let's join Daniel Jeremiah live. Okay, so let's put your mock draft board up. Our radio audience, I'll try to make it as simple as I can. It's Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, then Mack Jones to the Niners. Now, I said this yesterday.

Mack Jones and the Niners reminds me of the Bears and Tribusky. We thought Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy were geniuses. A couple years later after Tavisky fails, both are in trouble. Is Mac Jones and Trabisky had split the drafting, the scouting community on Trabisky, half hated him, half liked him. It's very similar with Mack Jones. Shanahan has a losing record. John Lynch is a young GM. You butcher this pick.

You could become Matt Nagy and Ryan Pace where people are questioning your aptitude. are the Niners done? Is it over? Is it Mac Jones, in your opinion, and nobody else? I don't think it's over yet, Colin, or they wouldn't be going through the process they're going through, you know, to go watch Justin Fields workout. I think they'll more than likely get a chance to see Trey Lance work out as well. So I don't think it's finished. And I don't have, you know, direct information from the 49ers to say otherwise. Just everybody you talk to around the league and those that are dialed in with Kyle say all signs point towards Mac Jones being the pick. That's kind of where things stand right now, and that's why I've had them going three. The other thing, the second thing that jumps out to me, you have the Falcons taking a quarterback,

despite the fact that it's been leaked, they're taking calls. Is that because you think they're bluffing on the calls or that nobody likes Trey Lance enough to move up? Well, I think it's two things. I think you look at, they have three options, and everybody says, where does the draft start? For me, it's four with Atlanta because they are the first team with three options. We know the Niners are taking a quarterback. They just have to decide which one. When we look at the Falcons, it's take a quarterback,

it's trade out, or it's take a different position player. For me, I would eliminate to take a position player as much as I love Kyle Pitts, as I know you do as well, Colin. But with the value of that pick, it is either we get our quarterback or we're going to get a haul to get out for somebody coming up for a quarterback. And I think some people kind of looked at that Matt Ryan extension and said, okay, they're out of the quarterback business. You know, they're kind of tied to Matt Ryan into the future here for the

next couple years. And I just don't look at it that way. I thought they had to do that in order to get into the salary cap. Matt Ryan's going into his age 36 season. I don't know that you're ever going to have an opportunity like this to get a talented player, whoever your guy is, whether it's Justin Fields or Trey Lance, I just don't know when the Falcons, you know, can feel good about being in that type of position again. So I get taking phone calls because I think that's one of the two viable options that they have. But at the end of the day, I'm guessing they stick and pick and end up getting a quarterback. Here's the third thing that jumps out to me. is that you have Bengals, Dolphins, Lions going tight-end receiver quarterback,

meaning that two tremendous offensive line products fall to eight and nine. And by the way, for the Panthers, this would be wonderful because they need a corner and a left tackle badly. But it is interesting. You have the lions taking Justin Fields. Now, this is why this would scare me to death. Jared Goff lost his confidence at the end of last year. you draft a quarterback. That kid's looking over his shoulder from day one.

I think it could be a goff crusher. Explain Lions and Justin Fields. Well, if you take Justin Fields, you're not really worried about Jared Goff's emotions or feelings at that point in time. You're not married to Jared Goff. This was not Jared Goff for Matthew Stafford straight up, and you are invested and committed, and you're in the Jared Goff business.

There are two ones that came along with Jared Goff on that airplane. So to me, you're still trying to find the best option you can get at that position. And if you feel like Justin Fields has a higher ceiling and there's more meat on the bone there with him, you're at the beginning of the rebuild here with Detroit. You've got long-term contracts for head coach and GM. If you feel like this is the guy that's going to be your ultimate best option at the position, you should take him. And John Dorsey's on that staff.

I know Brad Holmes is running the show. But Dorsey was in Green Bay when they took Rogers having Fav. you know, because you're chasing upside and looking at the next option. He was in Kansas City. Obviously, when they had a winning quarterback in Alex Smith and took Mahomes. So if you feel like you can upgrade it to position, even if the margins aren't that great, you do it. Here's another thing that jumps out to me. You do the Chargers broadcast.

You have them taking J.C. Horn. So I said this the last two days. I have talked to multiple executives in the league. They love J.C. Horn. They think there's a Richard. Sherman, but more physically gifted. He is aggressive. He can catch. His dad was a great receiver. He's an athlete. He'll get in your face. He can be intimidating. My guys love J.C. Horn. But it's interesting because the Chargers have a star quarterback and they're not, they don't have a left tackle.

So what you're telling me is they do need a corner, that they believe they could get linemen deeper in the draft. Does that tell me it's a thin cornerback class and they're going to take them. best guy and they can just get tackles later. Is that what that's telling me? Well, I think it is a good tackle draft. And when you're picking high in round two like the charges are, I think you have a chance to get a starter. Now, it's going to be a drop off from what you would be able to get potentially with that pick at 13. But to me, if Slater and Sewell are gone, the difference between the third tackle and let's say the sixth or seventh tackle that you would get, I can wrap my mind around that and be okay with that. And I look at Brandon Staley.

And I look at what he did with the Rams and having somebody like a Jalen Ramsey and having J.C. Horn, who you can use in different ways to match up and having a healthy Derwin James, you know, getting Bosa back. Now I'm looking at this charger defense saying, man, this has got a chance to be one of the best defenses in all of football. And again, the difference to me is how great is that gap between our tackle number three and our tackle number seven? Because there is a hole there. Whoever that player is is more than likely getting up being the opening day starter. at left tackle. So Lynch and Shanahan or somebody for the Niners is going to Justin Fields

second pro day. Now, you're a former scout. Why do you go to a second pro day? I mean, there's nobody there. You're throwing against air. What could you as a scout learn first pro day to second pro day? Well, I think it's being labeled as a pro day. And it's almost semantics, Colin, because they're not allowed to have private workouts this year. Okay. In years past, you'd see teams go to the pro day and then they would get a chance to do a private workout. So I'm going to send, I'm going to get on the plane, a private plane.

I'm going to have my GM head coach, quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, and we're going to put Justin Fields through a workout running our stuff to see how he does, to see how he picks up what we're asking him to do and really kind of fill in any gaps or holes you might have seen in his tape. Well, you can't do that this year. So the way they're getting around that is these quarterbacks with their schools

are saying, okay, we're having a second pro day. in quotes. And now the 49ers can come there to that pro day and you can say, hey guys, what do you want to see me do? We had all 32 teams here for the last one. You know, not all 32 teams are going to return to see Justin Fields workout. It's just going to be those few teams. And they can kind of hand over the keys to that pro day to the 49ers to make it basically a pseudo private workout. So a lot of people have said, why get Sam Darnold? He doesn't grade as high as Teddy Bridgewater. You tell me as a scout, is Darnold I mean, I look at it and I know Matt Rule wants to throw the ball down the field,

and that's not Teddy's gig. That's not what he does. He runs the offense. I think they want to be more explosive. That's why they went and got Robbie Anderson. They want to be an over-the-top offense. They want to be a big strike offense, and I think it just doesn't work. But when you, as a scout, look at Darnold Bridgewater, is there a gap at all?

I think there is. I think Sam just much more talented. And you hit it. He plays aggressive and you get some of the negatives that come along with that. Now, if you tell me that I've got a top three defense in the league, a top three special teams in the league, then I'm comfortable. I'll roll out Teddy Bridgewater, and we're going to try and grind out games and win 17 to 14. But that's not where the Carolina Panthers are.

And Sam, even though the stats are what they are and you can look at his career thus far, you have to be able to separate his talent from his atmosphere that he was in. He still has that talent. So to me, now it's up to Joe Brady. Can they get that out of Sam? But I think the difference in inability between him and Teddy is significant, in my opinion. Now, again, there's not the evidence to go off of with what happened to the Jets. But Colin, we always talk about the three P's with these quarterbacks.

You've got to have a play call, you've got to have protection, you've got to have playmakers. And he has never had any of the three throughout his NFL career. And he's going to have a pretty good shot with all three in Carolina. By the way, just just 30 seconds on Kyle Pitts. Best tight end prospect you've ever evaluated? Yeah, for me. You know, I didn't do one of my first years in the league was Kellan Winslow Jr. I did not do him.

I'd not have to evaluate him. But just, you know, sitting in those meetings hearing people talk about him. And obviously, we know what's going on with his life. But the motorcycle accident with him, if that doesn't happen, who knows. But he was in terms of talent, that's the only comparison. Yeah. Daniel Jeremiah, move the sticks podcast. Good seeing you, bud.

Thanks, bud. Hey, hey, Joy. Hey, DJ. Oh, oh, you guys work together. I forgot on that Amazon. That's why you call them nicknames. PJ is private DJs Daniel and Jeremiah. I'm just, folks, on this show, I'm just playing catch-up.

All I'm do, I trail late in every game. I'm just playing catch-up. Yeah, his draft board's interesting. He has the Lions. The Lions thing is crazy. Well, he makes a good point. It wasn't just Jared Goff. They went and got first-round picks.

Yeah. So they had two of them. No, but I'm with you, though. I think I don't see Goff managing that situation while. God, if the Panthers get a choice. choice of a left tackle. If you, see,

now I, Carolina is one of those teams. You think they're bad. No, they're horrible at left tackle and they're bad at corner, but they got to, listen,

I'm not going to lie. I'm just rooting for Donald. I'm very conflicted about the Bengals pick. Because if they can get Kyle Pitts, I feel like you've got to take them, but they just have no offensive line. Yeah.

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