The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/12/2021 - HOUR 1 - Rodgers, NBA, Durant

Episode Date: April 12, 2021

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Joy Taylor is joining me one hour from now where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. A couple of weeks out from the draft, we're in mid-April. It's a very fun time. I've had people. So I started doing this years and years and years ago. I've had a couple of friends. They're like, you're addicted to the draft. Like, you're crazy.

Like, I like your show, but you're too into the draft. And now two of my friends are like, oh, my God, I love the draft. And I'm like, if you like college football, the NFL, it's the meeting spot. Well, I think the draft has also become so much more important because of the way that free agency has changed and the way that quarterbacks are moving around now. So people are just wheeling and dealing and it's made the draft so much more important. You know, Joy, I think you and I talked about. this last week. The NFL is the king.

Like if I did a show in Canada, I would talk 85% hockey. That's what TSN does in Canada. If I was in London, you and I were, we'd talk 90% English Premier League. We'd talk about 65% NFL, but if you count the draft, it's up to about 75%. And the truth is, the American public loves the draft. It will beat the NBA, baseball, and hockey

first round playoffs. Forget regular season ratings. It'll beat their playoff rating, so it's very, very close. I want to talk about this, though. Everybody's talking about these quarterbacks. So this is anything you are good at. Joy is good at, I am good at. Anything you're good at, you will lean into. My wife is a great cook. Her family has a restaurant background. She loves to cook. She loves to throw parties. Why? Because she's a great cook. She gets the show off. We're all like this, right? If you have a great personality, you'd like to socialize. If you're buff, you like to go to the gym, wear a medium shirt. If you're super smart, you know, you like to throw your intellect around on the internet. show off to people. Whatever you're good at, you will lean into. It's very human. We all do it. So I was listening to this, Mark Sanchez, who I think does a great job as a broadcaster.

And he was on the Pat McAfee show, and he talked about Zach Wilson, about how he thrives in chaos. And it's really interesting what he says. But let me ask you, as he describes Zach Wilson, would you want this as you're starting an NFL quarterback? He thrives in chaos, meaning when the pocket starts to close down, like, that's when he comes alive. Okay, he doesn't, he's not your typical, you know, five steps, hitch, rhythmic kind of guy. I love that. I think he's like Brett Farvish, but for a coordinator, you just have to know what you're signing up for, right? Like as soon as that ball snap, you might not know exactly where it's going, but good chances go into the right spot. Well, Brett Farve's the greatest guy in chaos ever.

He's the all-time leader in interceptions. I don't want my quarterback to be that. Now, that's fun to watch. But that's not only Brett Farv, it's Johnny Mansell in the first six years of Michael Vick. And Michael Vick, a friend of mine has admitted to me. I didn't, I was so good at ad living. I didn't really have to spend the extra time. And then Michael actually won more later when he became more of a pocket guy.

Lamar Jackson, my criticism out of college was he'll be fine and win games, but is he willing to sit in the pocket as it closes and not run? It's great to be good occasionally in chaos. Mahomes is. But Andy Reid makes sure he's not in chaos very much. And Mahomes, by the way, even this year in the playoffs, was banged up physically. That's what happens when you thrive in chaos. My quarterback's great in chaos

is like saying, oh my, I'm going to marry this guy. He's great on vacation. That's like 1% of your marriage. Is he a good hang on a Tuesday night on the couch watch and Netflix or Amazon Prime? That's marriage. If you're on a team that is in offensive chaos, you have a crappy coach.

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breeze are almost never in chaos because they're so good at the line of scrimmage, Peyton Manning audibled out of chaos. Brett Farve didn't. Brett Farv was not the kind of quarterback intellectually that thrived with that. He was a gunslinger.

By the way, Aaron Rogers was Mr. Adlib. He led the NFL for a couple years in throwaways. Jeff Saturday, his former center, said he would roll his eyes when Mike McCarthy sent a playing. He ad-libbed. It's interesting. He didn't get to the NFC championship last couple years with McCarthy. Matt LaFleur comes in and says, stop ad-libbing, play in rhythm.

Make read, make throw. Oh, Aaron's been to back-to-back NFC championships. And oh, by the way, just had his greatest year in a decade. Once Aaron got into rhythm and out of ad-libbing, he was a better quarterback. I mean, Aaron's losing now. not because of Aaron. It's because they didn't have the talent around it. And the other thing is, and if you're a public figure and quarterbacks now are like America's royal family, right,

that the media falls in love with highlights. I mean, the media fell in love with Johnny Mansell. My scouts hated Johnny Mansell. He's not an NFL quarterback. He wasn't in the first round. But the media falls in love with the left-handed pass and the behind-the-back pass. And it's a highlight world, YouTube world. But that's like half of world.

1%. I don't want Zach Wilson to be great in chaos. He's already going to an organization, the Jets, that are always in chaos. I don't want him to be in chaos. I want him to be in lock step with a head coach and a system. You know, it bred farve through an interception in every Packer playoff loss of his career. Nine times he didn't throw a pick. They were 9 and 0. It's Pete Carroll's number one criticism of Russell Wilson. that sometimes he creates his own chaos. You know, it's funny, my daughter, when she's in college, she's wrapping it up pretty soon. And her first year, we helped her lay out her schedule.

And the first thing, if you have a kid in college, you find, you know, they take about five classes. But you got like one classes on Tuesday and Thursday, and one's on Wednesday, and then one is on Monday and Wednesday and Friday. And what you find is they have a lot of free time. In college, you have a lot of time. a free time. If you schedule your classes, one o'clock you're done. And so whenever a college kid says, oh, finals week is chaos. Well, don't go to Sharkies on Tuesday night because you got nothing but time in college to get those five courses done and those papers written on Wednesday so you

don't have to rush them in and write 19 papers on Saturday night. Most people, folks, that thrive in chaos, create their own chaos. You ever notice that? You ever had a friend like that? They're always late. I have a good friend like that. He's late to everything. And he's a great guy. But he creates his own chaos. He's pretty good at it.

But I don't want to live in chaos. I don't want my quarterback to be thriving in chaos. I'll never forget the Brett Favre when he goes to Minnesota. And they're really good. And they should have been in the Super Bowl. The reason they weren't in the Super Bowl was because Brett Farb was great in chaos. Do you remember this play? Brett Farb goes back to pass.

He pumps. Now he fires over the middle. Intercepted. I can't believe what I'm seeing right now. It was intercepted by Tracy Porter, near side to the 40, and John Sullivan runs him down at the 47-yard line. You've got to be kidding me.

I can't believe what I just saw. Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee. and try a 56-yard field goal. This is not Detroit, man. This is the Super Bowl. Because Fav was addicted to chaos. He loved those moments.

He often thrived in those moments. But that's not how you win Super Bowls. By the way, my guess is Aaron Rogers will win another Super Bowl. And ultimately, it will be in a rhythmic offense. Like Breeze, like Manning, like Brady, like Eli. The runaround guys don't win them. Whoa, what about Mahomes? My homes doesn't run around that much.

99% of his touchdown passes are not in chaos. I'm not here for it. And even if you're great at it, if you are great at anything, you will lean into it and go to your life and your family and your friends. The people that's lives are always like on the edge, they create their own issues. They create their own speed. chaos and trouble and headaches.

And then often complain. They're victims. So nobody's here to help me. We've tried, bra. We've tried. Leave earlier for the airport. That's why you keep missing flights. We've tried. All right. So I saw something this weekend. Very interesting, Joy.

Listen, Brooklyn is a lot of fun to watch. But they are a finesse team with finesse stars and a finesse coaching staff. he's allergic to defense. The Lakers, we know play great defense. When LeBron's healthy and AD's healthy, that's the best defensive team in the league, then they added Andre Drummond, who's a power guy. So one's finesse and one's power. They met Saturday, and the Lakers didn't have AD and LeBron, and rolled Brooklyn.

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wrong joy, about how there's, in recent history that in the media, we fall for this. I'll just speak for myself. The glitzy offense, Gonzaga, Bats. basketball. But when the glitzy offense, Gonzaga basketball, meets the great tough defense, Baylor, look what happens. The glitzy offense, Kansas City, faces the in-your-face defense, Tampa. Ask Pat Mahomes and Aaron Rogers how that went last year. Oh, for three. Power beats finesse. Because finesse doesn't make power uncomfortable physically or intimidated. It can often beat it. but tough and physical in the octagon on a football field or a basketball court can intimidate and take finesse out of their game.

So the Lakers are a power team with a power coach Frank Vogel. Frank Vogel's known as a guy that would slow it down, pound the ball loves Biggs. He loves Andre Drummond. He'll take another one. He's a great big man coach and he likes to slow it down and pound. And that is LeBron as he's age. That's AD and that's Andre Drummond. Even Rondo can be physical.

Dennis Schroeder can be physical. Brooklyn's a finesse team. Kyrie Irving is an awful defensive player. Hardin's an awful defensive player. Durant's not an awful defensive player, but he's more of a finesse seven-footer who can shoot and probably the greatest shooting big in the history of the game. But it's really interesting.

So they played Saturday night. Now, the teams weren't healthy, but LeBron and AD were not there, and the Lakers pounded Brooklyn physically. Dennis Schueter did whatever he wanted before he was ejected. André Drummond did whatever he wanted. And are we falling into a trap that I did last year? I love the Clippers last year.

But they never played together. They never played together. Remember the Clippers last year? They're 12 and 1 when healthy. Yeah, the problem is they were never healthy. And then they got to the playoffs. And Doc Rivers told me a month ago on my podcast. He said, we just never played together.

You cannot find your chemistry in the playoffs. The playoffs, it's like a magnifying glass to bad skin. The playoffs, they take your little flaws and expose all of them. So the big three in Brooklyn have played together seven games. That's it. So we know this Brooklyn team is awful defensively. They just got Blake Griffin and Lamarcus Aldridge. Those guys don't play defense either.

Kyrie doesn't, Hardin doesn't. KD. can, but you don't want KD grinding it on the defensive end. He's a great closer in the game. So it's a bad defensive team with a coaching. staff and Mike Dantony and Steve Nash who were allergic to defense. Remember when they were together in Phoenix? Nash, the player, Dan Tony the coach, no defense. It is a finesse basketball team that doesn't like defense and doesn't have chemistry yet.

What are the Lakers? A power team that has unbelievable chemistry. They've had great chemistry. And so it's just very interesting when we see power and defense and chemistry play these finesse offenses. And by the way, we know Brooklyn's talented. And in the East, just nobody matches up with them. But let's worry about the West, because if you look at their three best players, Katie gets hurt a lot, Kyrie is undependable emotionally, and Hardin needs the whistle in the playoffs. None of those change. And I just think it's very interesting is Brooklyn is good enough

to literally rest two of their stars and win, and they are. But boy, when you watch them Saturday, you can see a little Baylor Gonzaga. You can see a little Buccaneers chiefs in that where the power to, we're all caught up in, oh, who will be able to guard these guys? Who will Kyrie Hardin and KD be able to guard? Vogel has a hiss. I remember when Vogel had Roy Hibbert, an undependable Paul George, and gave Miami, Wade, Bosch, and LeBron fit.

slowed it down, pound the ball, you know, stick somebody around the rim. Don't let Kyrie and Harden score at the rim. It's just interesting is that we got a finesse team with no chemistry developed. Good luck finding an at in the playoffs. That is just a bad place to try to magically create chaos. Clippers had the best roster in the league last year. They looked awful all postseason. Joy with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Someone who hasn't looked awful all season is Zion. Oh my gosh. The Pelicans have been without Lonzo for the last two games, and that's given Zion the opportunity to play point guard, and he has been incredible in that position. So on Friday, he was close to his first career triple double with 37 points, 15 rebounds,

and eight assists against his sixers. And then last night, he logged another spectacular performance, 308. points, nine rebounds, and four assists against the calves. After the game, he said that playing that the point guard just feels natural. Believe it or not, Zion Williamson wasn't the biggest player on his youth team. So his coaches focused a lot on developing his point guard skills. And that came in handy, especially because he grew from 5'9 to 6'5.6 between 8th and 10th grade. That's, you know, I always feel bad for boy moms when they have those crazy gross players. I'm like, how do you keep up with buying these kids clothes?

Like literally in two months, they need all new shoes. My son now is taller than dad. He's 15. I grew from fives. I have my driver's license when I was 5'7. I was a junior in high school. I was 6-2 or 6.1 and a half after a summer. I remember coming back and my basketball coach went,

I got a 6-1 shooting guard. It's so, it's wild. because girls, we stopped growing at like 14. That's why girls get offered scholarships, college scholarships. So, yeah, because you know how big they're going to be. 13, 14 years old. Yeah, that my brother's both, my brother grew two inches in college. In college.

I don't know. But anyway, he was 5.19 in eighth grade and 6 foot six in 10th grade. So in that time, his coaches developed his point guard skills, which are now translating to the NBA. He is just right now, you could argue in the last three weeks. He's the best player in the league. He's been remarkable. And it's to the point that Nick Wright always brings up with us, his efficiency rate is what is staggering.

I think we sometimes we get a little too desensitized to greatness. This happens a lot with LeBron. We just start comparing him to himself because he's that good. And we just get kind of numb to what he's actually accomplishing. And that's already kind of starting to happen with Zion. Yeah, Zion shoot 16 times a game. That's it. And ends up with 32.

I mean, he's just, you know what I love with Zion? And this is what's funny because he's like a 285-pound man. And the average NBA guy is probably like 214. Even the bigs are like 260, 240. He leans in on every shot he takes. Everything he does is leaning in. Well, who wants to get run over and trucked by a 285 pound? I mean, just, and I mean.

And it causes fatigue throughout the game as well. He's just everything is moving toward you. He is a tough guy to guard. It's going to be interesting to see what the Pelicans do over the next couple years because he is, he's developing quickly. and they're going to need to keep up and put pieces around him. So Drew Locke has not been the franchise quarterback the Broncos were hoping for so far.

Denver has been linked to reports that they're trying to upgrade at the position and move off of him, but Locke is still trying to prove he's the guy for the job. So Broncos Guard, Dalton Reisner, says that Locke has been putting a lot of work in with Peyton Manning. He revealed that Peyton is a big fan of Drew Locke's and the two quarterbacks have been watching film together this offseason. Does that move the needle for you at all?

Well, here's a classic guy who's good in chaos. He's an ad librae. He's a basketball player playing quarterback. Drew Locke needs to play more in rhythm. He does. He's going into his third year. So for all those, you know, be patience with the young quarterbacks. This is the year, right, that he is supposed to take that significant step up if he is the guy.

Now, I don't know if the Broncos are going to be patient enough or have seen enough from him. But this was the argument with Josh Allen. worked out for them. By the way, he and Baker Mayfield have something in common. They really have great supporting cast. I mean, they had a Pro Bowl left tackle in Denver. They have excellent young receivers, an emerging star at Tide-in, and very good backs, like Baker. But Baker last year became more of a rhythm quarterback, played in a system, and Baker flourished.

Yeah. Can you get – and Baker's got a lot of attitude. Drew Locke similarly. Can you get him to buy into a system? because Drew and Baker can do the same thing. They can play very casually. Just kind of, it feels like... No, they do, but I think Baker has a...

I mean, and I don't know if Drew Locke does or he doesn't, but you can see with Baker that the team does buy into Baker. Like, his teammates do like him. Yeah. He has that ability to relate to people and that leadership quality. So I don't know if, I don't know if Drew has that or not. But, you know, his attitude seems to translate to the locker room. and he has completely leaned into Cleveland,

like where he feels, like he now feels like Cleveland. He's bought into it. He's embraced the city. The fans love him. So he's become kind of an integral part of that locker room as well in Baker. So I don't know if Drew has done that, if they've seen enough with him yet. He's not lacking talent.

No. Drew Locke can move. He's got a great arm. He's lacking consistency. He reminds me a little of Jay Cutler, where he's going to kind of do it his own way, and he'll never try. buy into coaching. So if Peyton can get him to buy into coaching, you've got a talented because

he's got a great arm. So after the 49ers straight up to the third pick in the draft, Mac Jones quickly became the favorite to be their selection. But apparently that choice is not a done deal yet. Peter King said that while his guess is that Jones will be in San Francisco, the team has not made a final decision on who they're going to draft yet. He said that next week, Peter King said next week that will be crucial for their decision making. Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch are expected to both attend Justin Fields and Tray Lance's second pro days. The Patriots are

also expected to attend Justin Fields Pro Day on Wednesday reportedly. So Peter's saying they haven't decided yet. Yeah, I believe that. I don't know why you need to decide right now. There's still pro days going on. You still have two weeks to

decide what you're going to do at that position. Now, that's assuming that we know that Zach Wilson is going to the Jets, which seems all reports are pointing to that. You obviously want to be prepared in case they don't. But I just, again, I'm as confused as you are, this Mac Jones thing. I don't understand what happened between the end of the season and now that's made him jump Justin Fields. He has the same amount of starts as Trey Lance, by the way.

Trey Lance is the guy that never starts. Yeah, and the knock is that we haven't seen enough from Trey Lance, but they have the same amount of starts. So I understand we didn't see him last year. So there is a little bit of recency bias with Mac Jones. but if you're looking at like talent and tape, I don't know. Again, I'm with you. I think that there is some value to being in positions

where you're uncomfortable in college because you're going to be uncomfortable in the NFL, which is also why I lean towards Justin Fields because I think that Justin Fields has had more uncomfortable moments where he's had to make plays than Mack Jones has had to. Well, and also, let's be honest about it. Justin Herbert played in big college games. and I think Joe Burrell played in big college games

and Justin Herbert has played in big college games and Trevor Lawrence played in big college games Zach Wilson hasn't I'm sorry he's like from a small town in Utah BYU this year their schedule usually BYU plays good teams this year they'd half a schedule what's the biggest game he's ever played in Utah BYU go to New York man that is a jump well you don't necessarily have to come

from a big college with NFL players. You don't. You can elevate your team. I think that that has value. The, you know, the freelancing thing that Sanchez is talking about and, you know, operating in chaos, I want you to have the ability to operate in chaos, but prefer for everything to be structured. Yeah. If you, if you're in chaos a lot, you have a bad coach. You should not, or you're really bad or you're making it up as you go. Yeah. You're just kind of not willing to go all in on. I would think as a quarterback your preference would be, I want to, I want to follow what the game plan is. Of course. Like, that makes things easier on you.

having to run around and remix the play and make things up as you go means that either your offensive line is falling apart or you're constantly looking to use your legs when you don't have to. Right. You're buying in, you're addicted to what you're good at, which is very... Obstcript. Yeah, I mean, that's what happens in life.

If you can sing, you sing in the shower, you sing in the car, you have a core. I mean, if you can sing, then you sing. Right. Because you're good at it. And people tell you you're good at it. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, lead content guy, MMQB, joining us now, brought to by Mercedes-Bans the best or nothing. All right, so we'll start with this. You have the details, the nitty-gritty. On my guy, Sam Darnold, going to Carolina, you have a story about how it went down,

which, by the way, we thought it was a good move. We thought if he was available in this, draft, he would be considered one of the top quarterback. So how did it go down? Well, really, there are three flashpoints, Colin, and I think it's no secret that the owner, David Tepper, put some pressure on

the football people to try to find a solution at the quarterback position. And it was pretty clear early on in the off season that they didn't view Teddy Bridgewater as that solution. So really, I think you want to look at three flashpoints. Number one, they put together a massive offer for Matthew Stafford.

They offered the eighth overall pick, a third rounder and Teddy Bridgewater. Ultimately, the Rams wound up outbidding them so they strike out there. Then they were very aggressive in looking at Deshawn Watson. Obviously, that situation is what it is. And they couldn't go forward with it the same way that maybe they had previously. And then the third piece of this really was the 49ers trade. And all they had to do is start counting and looking at how the quarterbacks were going to come off the board. And you're looking at it and you're saying, okay, quarterback at one, quarterback at two, quarterback at three, maybe a quarterback at four, and then another team could jump in front of us.

So now the potential is there that there's not going to be a quarterback that we value at eight. And if we wait now, there's a good chance we're going to come out of this with Teddy Bridgewater, not a whole lot else. And so they had kind of kept the lines of communication open with the jets going back to the middle of February and really liked a lot of things. things about Sam Darnold. There were some connections in the organization at Darnold. Matt Ruhl had talked to Sam Darnold when the Jets were looking at hiring Rule a couple

years ago. And so things kind of came together there. And, you know, the best way that I think to describe Sam Darnold going to Carolina right now is the Panthers are sort of throwing a dart at that quarterback board. They like him a lot, but he also doesn't constrict them from doing anything else the position that they might want to do. All right, multiple reporters I respect are now conflicted on San Francisco at three. Some are saying, it is Mac Jones. Peter King is saying, oh, no, it's not yet. What do we know about the Niners moving up to three in their quarterback selection?

I mean, I've been told for a couple weeks now that they really viewed five quarterbacks in this draft as having first round ability. Now, obviously, two of those are going to be off the board. We're all presuming those two are going to be Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson. And, you know, part of the reason why the Niners wanted to do, the deal early and move up early and be aggressive about it when they were was so that they could kind of finish off the process and not have to hide, not have to kind of duck around to get information. They wanted to be able to do all of this out there in the open.

And a big piece of it is getting to see the guys throw alive. So they've already done that with Mack Jones. They'll get to do it with Justin Fields this week on Wednesday. And they'll get to do it with Trey Lance a week from today in Fargo. And here's what's really interesting about it, Colin. I do not deny that they like Mac Jones. There's a lot there that matches what Kyle Shanahan has liked in quarterbacks and valued in quarterbacks in the past.

Consider this, though, for both Justin Fields and Trey Lance, right? Those second pro days are not going to be run by the throwing coaches. So John Beck's not running Justin Fields Pro Day and Quincy Avery isn't running Trey Lance's Pro Day. Both of those guys have agreed to let the NFL coaches on hand run those. pro days. So the Niners are literally going to be able to go to Columbus and go to Fargo and tell those guys

what to do. Here's what we need to see. And so I think this is really given the Niners a chance to take a look at two guys who I think most scouts would argue have more upside than Mack Jones in Tray Lance and Justin Fields and get a really thorough evaluation. It's all because

they were able to do that deal early. All right. Atlanta number four, I don't believe they will either take a quarterback because they'll trade out of it, or if they do have a pick, they probably won't get a quarterback. What are you hearing?

Kyle Pitts to me, after the quarterbacks are taken, is the only lock in this draft or one of a very short list? Your thoughts? I've heard there's robust discussion in the organization about it, and I do think that there's a,

there will be a quarterback that they like there for. The question is whether or not they like it, but they like that quarterback enough to sort of reset their timeline, And the interesting thing about the Falcons, Colin, if you look at their roster, they need cheap young talent on that roster. But if you look at like the seven or eight best players in the team, there's actually a really strong core there. And so if they can fill out the rest of the roster, there's reason to believe that they could win over the next couple of years. And then maybe

look at the quarterback decision, the quarterback transition in 2023, 2024. And you add that to the way that they've mortgaged Matt Ryan's contract, separating from Matt Ryan's not going to be easy logistically from a financial standpoint either. And so these are all things that are being considered. And it's not just about how much they may like Tray Lance or Justin Fields. More so, it's about how that fits into where they are as a team. And I got to tell you, I mean, you know, you look at the other two options,

the idea of adding Kyle Pitts to an offense that already has a lot of high picks on the offensive line in Julio Jones and Calvin Ridley or trading down and being able to add a bunch of role players to a roster that's pretty decent. You know, you can see why the Falcons might look at that and say, you know, if we feel like this Corps has got a chance to win, maybe we ought to give it a go for the next year or two and then reassess the quarterback position down the line.

By the way, there was a story last week. An agent, a coach, an executive, a scout, were asked about Aaron Rogers and the management in Green Bay, the relationship, which we all knows tense. Okay, let's not, we're not going to deny that. I mean, there's been stuff published for multiple years on that. Matt Lafleur comes in, it's not McCarthy,

it's still tense. So one of the, the agent, I thought, had the most interesting thing to say, and the agent was like, I've talked to Green Bay. They're like, we'd love to do a deal, but you know, we have to get some things reworked. Well, Aaron's the number one cap hit in the NFL, Aaron Roger. Yeah.

Number one. I mean, Brady's like 120, right? Like, so it is somewhat of an issue. What do you make of that story? What do you make of the idea? You know, the agent basically said he thinks Green Bay has gone to Aaron and Aaron's like, stubborn. That was kind of his guess. Your thought. Well, here's what's interesting about it, Colin. This is a nuance. And Aaron's not the only one who has this sort of thing in his contract, but I actually went and found the actual language and it even has like Aaron Rogers initials at the bottom of it. It's filed to the league and to the union. And the last,

language in the contract reads that the Packers can automatically reconfigure his contract and take what's based salary money, convert it into bonus money and automatically save $9 million on their salary cap right now today. They have not done that. They don't need to go ask permission from him. It's something that can be done automatically and as part of the contract. So I think then your question becomes, well, why haven't they done that?

And that could play into like the approach in team building. Because if you move that money forward now, all of a sudden you're mortgaging it, that bill is going to come due at some point. And the Packers typically haven't built their team that way. Aaron Rogers wants them to act with some urgency. And I think, you know, he looked at the way that he was eliminated and the team that eliminated him from the playoffs

and the urgency with which the bucks have built around Tom Brady and said, I want some of that. well, how have the bucks been able to pull that off building with urgency? You know what they did, Colin? They mortgaged a bunch of contracts. They pushed money forward. They said, we're going to worry about that stuff when Tom Brady's gone. And so that's what's so interesting about this,

is that the Packers have an automatic lever in that contract that allows them to do to Aaron Rogers' contract, what the Bucks have done to a bunch of contracts to build with more urgency. and the Packers have not yet done it. So I think that's like sort of a nuance here and something that everyone should keep an eye on as we go forward because I do think that they could sit down with Aaron and say,

we're going to do this and here's how we're going to use the money we've saved. That hasn't happened yet and I'm not sure why. Albert Breer on a Monday. Thanks, man. Great talking to you. All right, right, calling wrong top of the hour. Coming up next. You know, energy is hate.

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I would. Come on. Could you pull? I would buy it. Cut through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious. Oh, you're lucky. I'm not a drug addict.

You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. I love this team. And I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Kevin Durant, I am a big believer.

I watch your actions. I don't really care about your words. I mean, I'll listen to your words, but your actions tell me what matters to you. Okay. That's why when Drew Bree said something that ticked his teammates off, my takeaway is, well, his actions over the last 15 years have been great for the state of Louisiana, great for New Orleans, great for teammates, black teammates, white teammates.

I'm not going to kill a guy because he has a bad comment. His actions told me he was a good teammate. a good person. He's given to a lot of charity. Kevin Durant's funny. He has this quote this week. It's not the end-all, be-all why I play the game to win championships. That's funny because your actions are kind of different. Didn't you leave Oklahoma City? I mean, you're having fun there because you weren't winning championships. I mean, why would you lead there? You had a Hall of Fame teammate. The coach was great. The city loved you. It sold out every game. You couldn't beat LeBron. You couldn't get to the championship.

championship. Why are you keep joining forces with Steph Curry? Because it wasn't because you'd been to San Francisco and loved it. It wasn't because you had a relationship with Steph Curry or Draymond Green. You and Steve Kerr never really got along. You went through to win championships. That was your actions. And by the way, then you go to Brooklyn and you recruit Kyrie Irving and to some degree James Hardin. Well, James Hardin has never been the easiest guy to play with. and Kyrie can go missing an action at any point. So you didn't join them for chemistry. You joined them for championships.

So your actions are, you keep moving around because you want to be the man-and-win championships, which I don't have a problem with. Aaron Rogers does this a little too. It's a little convenient. Aaron will say this. Well, there's more than just winning championships. Well, then why does Aaron get upset with Packer Management

when they don't sign really good players so he can beat Tom Brady? Like Brady and LeBron, so much of being great is mentality. Like Russell Wilson's obsessed. Kobe was obsessed. LeBron's obsessed. Brady's obsessed. Breeze was obsessed.

And listen, if KD and Aaron Rogers aren't obsessed, I'm good. But both of your actions, both of you, by the way, can be passive aggressive, disappointed often, don't take well to criticism. Well, why? If it didn't matter. if ratings in revenue didn't matter to me in radio, and that's mostly what it's about. My industry, radio is not about the critics liking you. How are my ratings?

How's my revenue? Check, check. If they're good, Joy and I are happy. If I didn't care about that, then I would never care about any criticism. But I listen to criticism because I want the show to be good. I want my advertisers to be happy. I want to get a rating.

Just acknowledge it. Don't be like finished second place in life and conveniently. Yeah, it doesn't mean that. much. I mean, I asked her out on a date. She said no, but yeah, I didn't really like her anyway. You asked her for a reason. You were attracted. You thought you could get an opportunity to, you know, what-evs? And it didn't happen. Just own it. But when Kevin says, you know, winning championships is not the be-all-end-all. That is not your career. You keep bouncing around to places to win championships. He talks about, oh, it's personal growth. Personal growth is a lot

more funny with a trophy. It's a lot. Personal growth is fine for Aaron and KD. It's way bad. Tom Brady's got personal growth and trophies. LeBron's got personal growth and trophies. Give me a break. You went to Brooklyn. Why didn't you go to Brooklyn by herself if it was all about personal growth? Just go by yourself.

Oh, you got Kyrie. Who, by the way, is a hard guy to play with. Hard in Boston, hard on LeBron. You went there for one reason. Kyrie is super talented. One of the great finishers in the history of the NBA under 6-3. He may be the best ever. And you know that.

You know the playoffs are about finishing. I'm not into conveniently, I don't care as much as you think. Just come out and say it. It sucks losing the LeBron. It's no fun not winning. I mean, did you see Aaron Rogers' face when he walked up to Tom, when Tom beat him in Lambo? Did Aaron look happy?

Did it look like Winning? It's like number four. It seemed to me Aaron hated it. Their mentality means a lot. Just come clean on it. Otherwise, Aaron wouldn't get mad at Packer Management

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Go to the park. This is work. It's not fun. Some days it's fun. Joy and I laugh a lot. This is work. You want to have fun? Griffith Park's right around the corners.

Good time. Take a frisbee. Have a time of your life. All right, calling right, calling wrong, top of next hour. Boy, the Brown's out another player, Jadavian Clowny. Looks like he's going to become a brown. That's a good football team.

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