The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/16/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

Colin explains why he’s not buying into the Mac Jones hype heading into the draft and why Justin Fields deserves more praise. He shares an idea for Aaron Rodgers and the Packers in order to land more star players and win another Super Bowl. He lays out a harsh reality for one NFL team that thinks they are building a contender. Plus, QB coach John Beck joins the show to analyze the top prospects in the draft.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Herd. This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowherd on Fox Sports Radio. Here we go on a loaded Friday. Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening,

IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Very good mood today. I've really got my facial hair figured out. It took me a while to get that mustache off my face. I've really got things going on. Joy, how are you? I'm great. It's Friday.

I'm going forward to the weekends. It's an incredible week of stories. It has been. Next week, it's like full-on draft mode for the next two weeks. I know. So we have an epidemic in America. People see what they want to see. People see what they want to see.

There's this great, fuzzy thing over a ship in San Diego. UFO, UFO, UFO. No, it's not. It's been debunked already. No, it's not. It's a plane through a fuzzy lens. Looks like a pyramid. It's not. Planes have lights on the nose, the wings. It's a plane moving at plane speed. People see what they want to see. UFO people see what they want to see. We all see what we want to see. People want to see Mack Jones as Tom Brady. Tom Brady's got one of the best cold weather arms in the history of the league. He's one of the most accurate throwers.

He was drafted by a major league baseball team. He's a much better athlete. Mac Jones is not even the same galaxy as Tom Brady. Tom's bigger with a better arm. So finally, San Francisco's coming to their senses. The 49ers are coming to their senses. Albert Breer, who I trust. Benjamin Albright today comes out.

San Francisco, a lot of buzz. Niners Justin Fields. Mike Silver, a guy I trust. 49ers. Justin Fields. People see what they want to see. There's been already a Justin Fields myth debunk this week that he always throws to the first read, that he's not somehow capable, smart enough, cognitively can't go to a second read. Been totally debunked. Because blogs don't check on anything. Nobody checks on anything. It's a post-truth society. Just throw crap out there at sticks. Mac Jones, we've suddenly elevated him to, oh, he is so cagey. I hear this a lot.

He is so smart. His judgment is unprecedented. Really, there's five quarterback prospects on the first round. He's the only one with a DUI. And he's a smart one. First year away from his parents, all five of these quarterbacks left their parents. Only one got a DUI, Mac Jones. Doesn't mean he's a horrible human.

we all make mistakes. Josh Allen had a Josh Allen at Buffalo had a really bad tweet. He was like 15. Goofy kid. Kids make mistakes. But you can't keep selling me

on how great Mack Jones's judgment is. And he's the one with a DUI. And you can't keep selling me on Justin Fields. Oh, cognitively totally debunked. You know, it's people see what they want to see. You can have the same story.

A conservative sees it one way, a liberal sees it the other. The same story. I mean, Johnny Mansell came out. Cleveland Browns had lousy people in their front office, low self-esteem sports franchise, and they fell for Johnny Mansell's cockiness. They saw confidence. It's what they wanted to see.

They wanted to see confidence. Bill Belichick took Johnny Manzell off his draft board. Andy Reid, off our draft board. The good coach, Sean Payton, off draft board. The good coaches saw cocky and immature. the Browns who have low self-esteem and had a bunch of knuckleheads in the front office saw confident. I sat on the air. You can't draft Johnny Mantell.

He's going to be a massive bust. People see, say it out loud with Mack Jones. I got nothing against the kid. Say it out loud. He's the least athletic first round quarterback. That has been, that's not arguable. With the lowest ceiling and he's got a DUI in college. And that's number three pick in the draft.

folks those are three red flags not athletic low ceiling d ui i'm not i'm not saying the kid can't succeed in the nflb but give me a break everybody sees what they want to see with these guys we're making crap up with justin fields the other thing is we have to acknowledge that alabama players often don't perform at the nfl level why and they used to say this about tom osborne the legendary coach at Nebraska, that Osborne and Nick Saban are such good coaches at the college level that the kids they have peak. They peak in college. They don't have another gear.

Now, Julio Jones was great in college, great in the NFL. I'm not saying they don't have, I mean, good God, they got so many players drafted, some hit. But a lot of Bama guys are bus, semi-buss, are just really average because Nick Saban is so great. He squeezes everything out of them. This was what they said with Tom Osborne. Nebraska dominated college football. None of their guys were good pros because Osborne, he squeezed everything out. And I can name five coaches in college who can recruit and can't coach, and it's just the opposite.

There's a lot of guys that come college to pro, they're better pros. I can name the coaches that NFL GMs tell me they can recruit, they can't coach. Saban recruits and coaches and squeezes everything out of them. So, I mean, Henry Ruggs, wide receiver Alabama last year. Dude can't run around just fast. You know, D. Milner couldn't play. Nothing against the guy. Couldn't play.

Nick hit him. But thanks to good reporting, we're seeing some of this nonsense go away. Justin Fields, I believe, should be the second quarterback taken. It looks like now San Francisco third. But this narrative that was out there that, you know, cognitively, I'm a little concerned he doesn't throw to anybody other than the primary, basically saying that's the simplest read. You come out of the huddle, you know where you're throwing, you roll right, you throw it, boom. Oh, wait, PFF-graded throws past the first read, last two years of college football.

Justin Fields is number one. Mack Jones is last of all the first round quarterbacks. People see what they want to see. Politically, sports, UFOs, you see what you want to see. Say it out loud. Lowest graded quarterback on throws outside of the first read. Max last. Athletic.

Last. D-U-I. He's got it. I'm rooting for the guy. I root for all these guys. But some of this stuff is nonsense. Now, I don't want to be a complainer guy. So I want to find a solution to this Aaron Rogers Packers thing because I'm tired of talking about it.

I'm honestly, I'm over it. Like, it's off-season. So Jordy Nelson, great receiver played with him, then I think Raiders later, was on the Pat McAfee show, and he said, I just don't get this not pay Aaron Rogers, don't take care of Aaron Rogers, don't make him happy, here's Jordy Nelson. I don't know what they're doing. Yeah, I can't answer any of those questions. It's mind-blowing sometimes, especially, I mean, when he comes out and has an MVP year, and if they don't want to commit or do whatever they want to do to, I mean, I don't know, show appreciation or whatever it is for the next two years. It seems like it would be a pretty easy and simple move that I would say 100%, if not 99.9% of people would agree with.

Okay, so I don't want to complain about this. Aaron is highly compensated. He's the number one cat pit in the NFL. It is Russell Wilson's like up there number two, three. It is harder to win championships. You can win games because Russell and Aaron are so athletic. So great. You're going to win a bunch of games with him, but it's hard to win a championship when you watch Mahomes and Brady have all.

star teams because Mahomes just restructured his deal and Brady restructures his deal. But all this is solvable. Here's a solution. Aaron gets the Jeopardy job and I'm dead serious. Gives him $15 million a year. You can go to Green Bay. It's like a shoe deal. Hey, I'll take a little cut.

I think Aaron would probably be willing to do that. First of all, Jeopardy should hire Aaron Rogers. He's good at it and he's a celebrity. Nothing against Ken Jennings and all these other Jeopardy heads. but those guys, they're not going to add any audience to Jeopardy. The people who watch it will watch it with Ken Jennings. And you can pay Ken Jennings $7 million a year. Aaron's going to bring in a guy like me who occasionally watches Jeopardy.

I'd watch it more with Aaron Rogers. There's no question. I would stop the TV. You know, we all fish around on the TV. Oh, I'd watch Aaron Rogers. He would get you casual eyeballs. And Aaron's got leverage because he's got this other job he's good at called Packer quarterback.

So Aaron will rank about $12 to $15 million a year. I talked to an agent last night. That's what he would make. Ken Jennings makes seven, eight. Aaron would make double that because he's going to give your audience a little boost. And he's a celebrity. It's almost like, you know, the rock. Why is rock the highest paid actor?

It's not just because he's a great Thesbian. He's got his own audience from wrestling. He brings people in. And jeopardy for Aaron Rogers would be a little like Giselle for Tom or a shoe deal for an NBA player. It's ancillary income. If Aaron's making 15 large in the summer in 43 days of work, Aaron may be like, okay, I'll restructure my deal. Aaron doesn't have any kids.

Aaron's got nothing but time. He's got a girlfriend or a fiance now. But Aaron's got a lot of time compared to Tom Brady. Compared to, you know, once you get married, once you have kids, there's a lot of stuff to do. Aaron is single. He's a private jetter. He is engaged, but there's a difference between engaged than four kids, five kids.

Aaron's got time. It's 43 days. He can make 15 million bucks. There's your solution. So the reality with this is you can fight. You see this all the time where Fox has done this historically. Michael Strayhan works for this network and he works for that network. Why? Because you can't get Michael Strayhan if you limit his options. Michael Strayhan's going to do other stuff. The talented people in this business have second, third, and fourth jobs. Sometimes other networks. Why? They leave. There's too many Hulus and too many Netflix and too many Ihearts and too many Fox and too many WWEs. And you want to keep your best people, you better not be rigid because they'll just move on.

Now you can have your own network here and your own network there. And I read a story this morning. Some guy's making $400,000 a year on cameo. I mean, so the bottom line is you want to make Aaron happy? Give him the jeopardy job. Make 15 large. And I think Aaron would probably go, all right, let's sit down. down. We can restructure a little signing bonus.

Aaron's a smart guy. He wants to, he wants J.J. Watt. He wants to keep his center. He wants to keep those Aaron Joneses. So there's a solution to hold this whole thing. It really is. And I don't think it's crazy. I think the world we live in now, Michael Strayhan can do Good Morning America and Sunday. It's called Private Jets. You can do it. You can figure it out. There's people all over the country working second and third jobs. I said, I'm off at noon. I don't go to bed till 10. I may just go and, you know, I'd be just do a second show. I mean, just go to Jeopardy.

Go make $15 million, solve it. It's your Giselle. It's your shoe deal for Nike. In a weird sort of way. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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I just hire smart. I'll teach you the rest of it. You can have 30 years in radio. If you're a mouth breather, I can't do anything with you. There's nothing I can do with you. Bill Belichick, mother spoke seven languages, and his dad wrote the book on scouting. Bill's not perfect. He's just smarter than everybody else.

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A lot of my sources are general managers, scouting directors, blah, blah, blah, blah. Is I've always said if I didn't do this for a living, joy as my witness, I would want to be a general manager in the NFL. I love the draft. I like building stuff. I like the architecture of it. Of course, I wouldn't succeed. Like a GM probably wouldn't succeed as a talk show host. I probably picked the right career, but I love it.

Everybody's got a second job they would do, you know, some people want to be, you know, actors or they want to be screenwriters. I picked the right job, but this would be my second job. And so I'm fascinated by it. I ask a lot of questions. I love talking to general managers, and they make fun of me because they think I'm obsessed by it. Every time I do a mock draft, they all are like, just stay to a sports host. You're not going to be a general manager.

You're crazy. But the point being is, I love it. So I talk about a lot of guys. Mickey Loomis of the Saints, I think is unbelievable. Brandon Bean of Buffalo, Chris Ballard. These are the guys I talk about over and over and over. Well, NFL.com studied all their picks last decade, and they have their number of They're top five.

So they're top five of the guys we love, which is Chris Ballard's number one, Kevin Colbert Steelers, Jason Light of the Bucks, Brandon Bean, Sean McDermott, Buffalo, and Mickey Loomis. These are the guys I constantly bring up. I just think some guys are just great at this draft thing, and they are great. Then let's go to the bottom of it.

John Gruden is, of the ones rated, was right near the bottom. Ryan Pace, who I've been critical of, Howie Roseman, Dave Gettleman. The guys they've been critical of, but John Gruden's interesting. So the problem for John Gruden is he made two huge trades early. Amari Cooper, he got a bunch of first round picks, and Khalil Mack got a bunch of first round picks.

He inherited those players, and he didn't hit on all those picks. In fact, he hit on one. So he gets all those picks for Amari Cooper and Kalil Mack five, four. Four are meh. One's a bust, maybe two, and one, Josh Jacobs' running back, has been great. Three of those five picks have been complete head scratchers. Henry Ruggs, I didn't like him, didn't get it, he's fast, nothing else. And John Gruden can be an eight-year-old at a toy store. The faster, the flashier it is, mommy, I want that. You ever, you ever seen those made-for-television products, the sham-wow, the oxy-clean, the knife that cuts, through a coin, this snuggy. I mean, nobody has ever sat, had a blanket and thought, you know what

this thing is missing? Arms. You've never in your life taken the change out of your pocket and thought, I'd love to cut it in half. But Gruden is one of those guys that feels like to me, he sits at home and would order that stuff. He falls in love with stuff. You cannot fall in love with college players. You have to fall in like with them. That's why John Gruden is a very, very emotional guy. That's what makes him great. that's why we love John. He emotes. He's great.

He's funny. Why it's a great television personality. And why I think he's a really good coach. He can't do personnel. You've got to get him out of personnel. It's not what he does. He loved Johnny Mansell. Of course he did.

Because Johnny Mansell was different and flashy and talkative and cocky. It's right up John's Alley. And of course he loved Henry Ruggs because he's a burner. He's a track guy. He runs 100 miles an hour. And so when you start looking at these guys, this is why most coaches, including Belichick, should stay away from personnel. When I talk to Chris Ballard, when I talk to Tom Telesco, when I talk to these guys and a couple others that would remain anonymous, Brett Veach, Kansas City, these guys are just, it's like, it's like, honestly, like being a chef, you're just looking for fresh produce. they don't get emotional about it.

Chris Ballard talks me off the ledge. It's just like they're accountants. They're like, this is what he does well. This is way he doesn't do well. I like this. I never hear love. I hear like. I never hear love.

Oh, I love this guy. They like them. But they know they're human and they're 22 years old and they can get hurt. Gruden falls in love with everything. And so you start looking at the, you start looking at the goods and the bads. And you know, it is interesting because what they do is they give you the best pick the guy's ever made and the worst pick. And even the best guys have whiffed.

But it is funny. This is inexact science. So Jason Lide of the Buccaneers, he drafted a guy I loved out of college. I love him because I'm a recruiting dork. He took Vernon Hargraves, the third, a corner from Florida. He was the best corner in high school. He's the best corner in college. I loved him.

It didn't work. So it's an inexact science. Some guys don't love the game. They like what the game can do for him. Some guys get hurt. Some guys just, you know, they just don't. You talk to Akib Talib, and he's ready to fight you over a loose football. Some guys say, you got it.

I'll get the next one. So, you know, you can't. The best of the best, whiff. Bill Polion's a Hall of Famer told me one time he drafted a guard. Two practices in, he turned and apologized to the coach. He can't play. And Bill's a Hall of Famer. Bill was great.

And he's like, yeah, I can't play. My bad. So it happens. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day. seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. There's a story out today.

A former jet, I love this bite, by the way. Former Jet Matt Khalil, who's a great USC player, great in the NFL, went to the Jets briefly end of his career. He said, they didn't give Sam Darnold any room to grow. He said everybody oohed and odd about Zach Wilson at BYU's Pro Day, rolled left through across his body. He goes, I've seen Sam do that a million times. It's funny.

There's game tape of Sam doing the exact same thing against players in the NFL for touchdowns. And Zach Wilson does it. Oh, my God, against air. And the Jets have decided to draft Zach Wilson and get rid of Sam. And I wish them both luck. But it is interesting. I've said this. Everybody needs help.

Nobody can do it alone. Everybody needs a kingmaker. Everybody needs. All these people on these political shows, they were nobody's until they got an MSNB. or the late Roger Ailes. They're kingmaker. Everybody needs a kingmaker. Okay. Sam Donald has been criminally, criminally undercoached.

At USC, the coordinator he had got fired. Never been a coordinator again or a head coach. Adam Gase fired twice. He now goes to young ascending coaches that people love. Matt Ruhl won at Temple and Baylor. He took over grease fires at both. He won it both immediately. Joe Brady's 31.

He's the next McVeigh. He's already getting job offers at 31 years old and interviewing for head jobs. So he will not be criminally undercoats. It doesn't mean he'll be a star. But I want to remember, let me give an example, Alex Smith. Now, Sam is bigger than Alex, stronger than Alex, and more athletic than Alex Smith. Got a better arm. Alex Smith came into the league.

First two coaches, Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary. He was considered a complete bust. Jim Harbaugh came in. Alex Smith went 19, 5 and 1. Then he went to Andy Reed, made a Pro Bowl. Look at Alex Smith's record with his first two coaches. 19 and 31, completed 57% of his throws and a passer rating of 72. He was a bust with Harbaugh and Reed.

His completion percentage skyrockets. His passer rating sky rockets. His touchdown to interception ratio skyrockets. And he goes 69, 31 and 1. Coaching matters. Alex Smith was done. He was a bust. No, he didn't have competent head coaching.

And then he went to Harbaugh and Andy Reed and became a pro bowler. Alex Smith, by the way, last year, Alex Smith playing on a leg with Ron Rivera was five and one. Playing on one leg. Because again, he had a real coach who built a real defense and a real running game. So that's all I'm saying with Sam Darnold is you've got to give some of these guys, some people, it's one thing having average coaching, Ryan Tannahill. But when you're criminally undercoached like Alex Smith was for his first four or five years, or like Sam Darnold or Ryan Tannahill, you've got to give a guy a chance.

Nobody does this alone. Nobody, I don't care if you're a talk show host, you're a mayor, you're a dent, nobody can do it without help. and when your help, actually, Ryan Khalil said they wouldn't let him ad lib. They wouldn't let Sam ad lib. Play came in, run the play. He's like, if you know Sam, it's not what he is. Go to his game tape against USC, against Texas, against Penn State.

Sam's got to be a little loose. He'll make mistakes, but you've got to let him move a little. He's like Lamar Jackson. Don't overcoach him. You got to let Lamar move a little. Josh Allen, by the way, Buffalo. You got to let Josh Allen move. That's part of his weaponry.

And I know, you're such a homer, listen, what I believe in is what I believe in. As I always say, I often am wrong on an argument. And then sometimes I'm wrong for a year, but I know I'm right. RG3 Luck, Kobe Shack. There are times I know Sam Darnel can play. Not saying he's going to be great, but you start looking around, the pieces he has, the competency of coaching, he'll be just fine.

I mean, I'll give you an example. Jared Goff with Jeff Fisher, Jared Goff with Sean McKay. He was a catastrophe. I don't know that there is a better example of that. He was a catastrophe. Everyone that was, everyone agreed. He was a bust. Two years later, Super Bowl.

Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. There's a company called 3D QB. John Beck is their motion mechanics instructor. He played in the NFL for six years. Probably the best football player in the Mountain West Conference in the last 20 years. He owned the conference for three years. By the way, 3D QB has had Drew Brees and Matt Stafford and Carson Wentz and Matt Ryan and Eli Manning and Tim Tebow.

And now it has Justin Fields, who I just love and Zach Wilson, who's talented, but I don't know a ton about. And John Beck is now joining us live. All right, let's cut to the chase here. First of all, Justin Fields. What is your favorite quality? because you just walked off the field from Trey Lance and you see these guys every day. What is your favorite Justin Fields quality that you think will work in the NFL? To me, it's when I watch him play in the big games, when I watch him play in the playoffs,

the national championship, to make the plays that he does on that stage and to do it in an environment where he's getting knocked around while injured. That's to me the biggest thing that I just say, this is a dude that can play on the big stage and make the big plays. and he showed it, especially in those games, which I love that. I love that about him. By the way, general managers have told me for years in the NFL, they like players from the SEC who were great in the biggest games.

It matters because it's the closest thing to the NFL in college football. And you play in Columbus, those feel a little bit like NFL games with 80,000 people in the environment and the TV network. So you know, you quarterbacked in Washington under the Shanahan's and under Kyle. What is Kyle like in quarterbacks? What does Justin do that Kyle Shanahan would like or appreciate? Kyle wants a quarterback that can process things quickly and be able to deliver balls all over the field. He wants an offense that when it needs to drive the ball down the field, it can,

when he needs to drive it in tight windows, it can, when he needs to be able to work off key defenders. And essentially, I have two spots, multiple locations that I have to get the ball to almost within the same timing. can they put their feet in the ground fast and do that? I think that's why you see certain quarterbacks really thrive in Kyle's system. It's not all just one way. It's a variety of ways. The athleticism helps.

I know most people say, oh, well, he wants a guy that can run. He doesn't need a guy that can run with the football, but he likes having a guy that can get on the edge in the play pass game. That's important to him. And then get him on the edge, sell like we're going keeper, and then put our foot in the ground and attack something downfield fast. I think you saw guys in a system in the past that did a good. great job of doing that, and he's looking for somebody that can do the same now.

By the way, you work with Justin Herbert, and we liked him here on the show because I worked in the Pacific Northwest, and I watched him play 20 times for Oregon, and I kept saying, I don't get the doubts. He's a four-point biology major. He's a good kid. He's big. Did you know when you were working with him? Did you have a sense? Oh, Lord, this guy is just different. He is maybe the most talented thrower I've ever been around. He is just so gifted, so talented. And you're right. He's a student of the game.

He has a great work ethic. When you sit down in the meeting room with him, he does all the things right. I had watched Justin play, and I knew he was a top draft pick. But until I got to be around him every day and just see him when he comes out on the field, I knew any veteran player that was going to be around him when they got to watch him throw was just going to say, wow, that is a dude that like we can follow. That's a guy that can play in the NFL for sure. So I could never have told anybody, oh, he's going to go out and win rookie of the year.

I mean, you don't know those things because so much of that is dependent on the team that he goes to, the situation, the guys around him. But he's absolutely one of the most talented throwers, most capable throws I've ever been around. Yeah, I said this one time. It's like Thanksgiving and a Nerf ball. The ball, he just, it throws so casually. Like some guys, you can sense their mechanics. like it's a little uncomfortable. He is just flipping that thing all over the.

It's like a seed. He's just flipping it all over the yard. Now, I hear Zach Wilson. People say, oh, my God, he's got Aaron Rogers capability. I hear he can slam dunk at 360s. He's an athlete. I hear he's also, he loves chaos. I worry about that.

Chaos can be rolling your eyes at a play that's called. Sometimes you get addicted to stuff you're good at. You tell me about Zach Wilson. What do you love? What does he have to work on? Yeah, I don't understand the chaos part to me. I think what it is is I would use the word, I think he enjoys the challenge of thriving in an environment that requires the quarterback to make those athletic throws, which to some quarterback that equals chaos, and now I'm out of rhythm.

I'm in a position I don't want to be in. I believe that Zach looks at those as I'm prepared for those moments. Let there be that chaos because I believe I've trained myself in a way that's going to allow me to make those difficult throws, but make them accurately. I've had the chance to be around him for three years since his freshman year, and he's worked his tail off for those three years here with us at 3DQB, and that's the purpose behind his training here. So he's super gifted, very, very athletic kid, very twitchy, can make those special throws look easy. I think that's why teams are really high on him. So, of course, like any other rookie, he's going to have to go through a learning curve. He's going to have to adapt to the NFL game, right? But I think he has so many traits and tools. The number one

thing that I love most about Zach is his desire to pick himself. Like he believes in himself. He's just, if he has an opportunity to make that tough throw or that situation is going to be where, hey, can you do it? I love the fact that he always believes, yes, I can. And to me, you have to have that if you're going to thrive. And if he does go to the New York Jets, he absolutely is going to need that to thrive in that environment. Yeah. By the way, can you always tell when a guy has it or not? I mean, you would never say it publicly if the kid doesn't, but do you have sometimes you come out of these workouts and think, I don't know if he's going to make it. And can you tell instantly that's going to work?

There's absolutely players that when you watch them on the field, you can recognize ability. You can recognize where they can get to. How close is this person to his potential, right? What's his ceiling going to be? You can feel those things. They show up. You can also sense a guy's his drive, his passion for the game, his love of the game, the sense of how much he's going to put into it. Those things you can tell.

The difficult part about quarterbacking is the things that we don't know, the uncertainty of the team, the situation, the organization, the coaching staff, the fit. All of those things a quarterback depends on. Drew Brees used to always say this to me when I trained with him. There's no position in sports where the team depends on them like the quarterback, but there's also no position in sports where they depend on their team like the quarterback. So to me, I've seen guys all the time, they come out, they can put together a great workout, but it's a team sport. they depend on so many things. So for all these guys, Justin, Zach, Kyle, Trey, all of them, so much of the next part of their journey is going to be who picks them and then what happens after they're picked. Yeah, Breeze had a couple years he struggled when he was highly paid

and the O line wasn't good. And then he restructured his deal and he got a better offensive line. Drew Breast suddenly ended up in Super Bowls. The reality is the better players up front, the more you can throw it on third and two and not third and nine, the better football player you become. John Beck, it's called 3D QB. A lot of notable clients. Great talking to you for first time. I'd love to have you back on. And thank you so much, John. Yep, you're welcome. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between-songs banter.

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