The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/16/2021 - HOUR 1 - Justin Fields, Aaron Rodgers, NFL draft

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

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People see what they want to see. People see what they want to see. There's this green, fuzzy thing over a ship in San Diego. UFO, UFO, UFO. No, it's not. It's been debunked already. No, it's not. plane through a fuzzy lens, looks like a pyramid, it's not.

Planes have lights on the nose, the wings. It's a plane moving at plane speed. People see what they want to see. UFO people see what they want to see. We all see what we want to see. People want to see Mack Jones as Tom Brady. Tom Brady's got one of the best cold weather arms in the history of the league. He's one of the most accurate throwers.

He was drafted by a major league baseball team. He's a much better athlete. Mac Jones is not even the same galaxy as Tom Tom's bigger with a better arm. So finally San Francisco's coming to their senses. The 49ers are coming to their senses. Albert Breer, who I trust. Benjamin Albright today comes out.

San Francisco, a lot of buzz. Niners Justin Fields. Mike Silver, a guy I trust. 49ers, Justin Fields. People see what they want to see. There's been already a Justin Fields myth debunkers. this week, that he always throws to the first read, that he's not somehow capable, smart enough, cognitively can't go to a second read.

Been totally debunked. Because blogs don't check on anything. Nobody checks on anything. It's a post-truth society. Just throw crap out there at sticks. Mack Jones, we've suddenly elevated him to, oh, he is so cagey. I hear this a lot. He is so smart.

His judgment is unprecedented. Really, there's five quarterback prospects on the first round. He's the only one with a DUI. And he's a smart one. First year away from his parents. All five of these quarterbacks left their parents. Only one got a DUI. Mack Jones.

Doesn't mean he's a horrible human. We all make mistakes. Josh Allen had a, Josh Allen at Buffalo had a really bad tweet. He was like 15. Goofy kids make mistakes. But you can't keep selling me on how great Mack Jones's judgment is. and he's the one with a DUI. And you can't keep selling me on Justin Fields.

Oh, cognitively, totally debunked. You know, it's people see what they want to see. You can have the same story. A conservative sees it one way, a liberal sees at the other. The same story. I mean, Johnny Mansell came out. Cleveland Browns had lousy people in their front office, low self-esteem sports franchise,

and they fell for Johnny Mansell's cockiness. they saw confidence. It's what they wanted to see. They wanted to see confidence. Bill Belichick took Johnny Mansell off his draft board. Annie Reid, off our draft board. The good coach, Sean Payton, off draft board. The good coaches saw cocky and immature. The Browns who have low self-esteem and had a bunch of knuckleheads in the front office saw confident. I said on the air. You can't draft Johnny Mansell. He's going to be a massive bust. People see, say it out loud with Mack Jones. I got nothing against the kid. Say it out loud. He's the least athletic first round quarterback. That has been, that's not arguable with the lowest ceiling and he's got a DUI in college. And that's number three

pick in the draft. Folks, those are three red flags, not athletic, low ceiling, DUI. I'm not, I'm not saying the kid can't succeed in the NFL, but give me a break. Everybody sees what they want to see with these guys. We're making crap up with Justin Fields. The other thing is we have to acknowledge that Alabama players often don't perform at the NFL level. Why? And they used to say this about Tom Osborne, the legendary coach at Nebraska. That Osborne and Nick Saban are such good coaches at the college level that the kids they have peak. They peak in college.

They don't have another gear. Now, Julio Jones was great in college, great in the NFL. I'm not saying they don't have, I mean, good God, they got so many players drafted, some hit. but a lot of Bama guys are bus, semi-buss, are just really average. Because Nick Saban is so great, he squeezes everything out of them. This was what they said with Tom Osborne. Nebraska dominated college football. None of their guys were good pros, because Osborne, he squeezed everything out.

And I can name five coaches in college who can recruit and can't coach, and it's just the opposite. There's a lot of guys that come college to pro, they're better pros. I can name the coaches that NFL GMs tell me, They can recruit. They can't coach. Saban recruits and coaches and squeezes everything out of them. So, I mean, Henry Ruggs, wide receiver Alabama last year. Dude can't run around just fast.

You know, D. Milner couldn't play. Nothing against the guy. Couldn't play. Nick hit him. But thanks to good reporting, we're seeing some of this nonsense go away. Justin Fields, I believe, should be the second quarterback taken. It looks like now San Francisco third. But this narrative that.

was out there that, you know, cognitively, I'm a little concerned he doesn't throw to anybody other than the primary, basically saying that's the simplest read. You come out of the huddle, you know where you're throwing, you roll right, you throw it, boom. Oh, wait, PFF-graded throws past the first read, last two years of college football. Justin Field is number one. Mack Jones is last of all the first round quarterbacks. people see what they want to see politically sports UFOs you see what you want to see say it out loud lowest graded quarterback on throws outside of the first read max last athletic last DUI he's got it

I'm rooting for the I root for all these guys but some of this stuff is nonsense uh now I don't I don't want to be a complainer guy. So I want to find a solution to this Aaron Rogers Packers thing because I'm tired of talking about it. I'm honestly, I'm over it. Like, it's off-season. So Jordy Nelson, great receiver played with him. Then I think Raiders later was on the Pat McAfee show. And he said, I just don't get this not pay Aaron Rogers.

Don't take care of Aaron Rogers. Don't make him happy. Here's Jordy Nelson. I don't know what they're doing. Yeah, I can't answer any of those questions. It's mind-blowing sometimes, especially when he comes out and has an MVP year. And if they don't want to commit or do whatever they want to do to, I mean, show appreciation or whatever it is for the next two years, it seems like it would be a pretty easy and simple move that I would say 100%, if not 99.9% of people would agree with.

Okay, so I don't want to complain about this. Aaron is highly compensated. He's the number one cat pit in the NFL. It is Russell Wilson's like up there, number two, three. It is harder to win championships. You can win games because Russell and Aaron are so athletic. So great. You're going to win a bunch of games with him,

but it's hard to win a championship when you watch Mahomes and Brady have all-star teams because Mahomes just restructured his deal and Brady restructures his deal. But all this is solvable. Here's a solution. Aaron gets the Jeopardy job, and I'm dead serious. Gives him $15 million a year. You can go to Green Bay. it's like a shoe deal.

I'll take a little cut. I think Aaron would probably be willing to do that. First of all, Jeopardy should hire Aaron Rogers. He's good at it, and he's a celebrity. Nothing against Ken Jennings and all these other Jeopardy heads, but those guys, they're not going to add any audience to Jeopardy. The people who watch it will watch it with Ken Jennings. And you can pay Ken Jennings $7 million a year.

Aaron's going to bring in a guy like me who occasionally watches Jeopardy. I'd watch it more with Aaron Rogers. There's no question. I would stop the TV. You know, we all fish around on the TV. Oh, I'd watch Aaron Rogers. He would get you casual eyeballs. And Aaron's got leverage because he's got this other job he's good at called Packer

quarterback. So Aaron will make about $12 to $15 million a year. I talked to an agent last night. That's what he would make. Ken Jennings makes seven, eight. Aaron would make double that because he's going to give your audience a little boost. And he's a celebrity. It's almost like, you know, the rock.

Why is Rock the highest paid actor? It's not just because he's a great Thespian. He's got his own audience from wrestling. He brings people in. And jeopardy for Aaron Rogers would be a little like Giselle for Tom or a shoe deal for an NBA player. It's ancillary income. If Aaron's making 15 large in the summer in 43 days of work, Aaron may be like, okay, I'll restructure my deal. Aaron doesn't have any kids.

Aaron's got nothing but time. He's got a girlfriend or a fiance now. But Aaron's got a lot of time compared to Tom Brady compared to, you know, one, you know, once you get married, once you have kids, there's a lot of stuff to do. Aaron is single. He's a private jetter. He is engaged, but there's a difference between engaged in four kids, five kids. Aaron's got time.

It's 43 days. He can make $15 million. There's your solution. So the reality with this is you can fight. You see this all the time where Fox has done this historically. Michael Strahan works for this network and he works for that network. Why? Because you can't get Michael Strayhan if you limit his options. Michael Strayhan's going to do other stuff.

The talented people in this business have second, third, and fourth jobs. Sometimes other networks. Why? They leave. There's too many Hulus and too many Netflix and too many Ihearts and too many Fox and too many WWEs. And you want to keep your best people? You better not be rigid because they'll just move on. Now you can have your own network here and your own network there.

And I read a story this morning. some guys making $400,000 a year and cameo. I mean, so the bottom line is, you want to make Aaron happy? Give him the Jeopardy job. Make 15 large. And I think Aaron would probably go, all right, let's sit down. We can restructure a little bit. Give me a little signing bonus.

Aaron's a smart guy. He wants to, he wants JJ Watt. He wants to keep his center. He wants to keep those Aaron Joneses. So there's a solution to this whole thing. It really is. And I don't think it's crazy. I think the world we live in now, Michael's

Rayhan can do Good Morning America and Sunday. It's called Private Jets. You can do it. You can figure it out. There's people all over the country working second and third jobs. I said, well, I'm off at noon. I don't go to bed till 10. I may just go and, you know, I'd be just to do a second show.

I mean, just go do Jeopardy. Go make $15 million. Solve it. It's your Giselle. It's your shoe deal for Nike in a weird sort of way. All right. I'm not trying to reduce Giselle Bunchen into a question about Russian literature

by any stretch. What I'm just saying is when you get that 15 million large somewhere else, all right, you go to your primary employer and say, well, and Zheel's like 300 million dollars. It's the world's greatest shoe to you. Yeah. But it's just the way the world works. Okay. So, interesting question today.

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I've talked to Urban a lot. Folks, both of those guys have gone on TV and done analyst work without really any practice and have been brilliant day one. They're really smart. There's a story today that Trevor Lawrence and Urban Meyer by Dan Wetzel. may not work. Trevor Lawrence is chill, not defined by a football, and Urban Myers is a maniac, and he is, by the way. Urban Meyer would lose 20 pounds coaching at Florida, working himself to death. He used to have to write notes saying, eat three meals a day. He would text recruits during church.

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Now, I'm not saying he's Belichick. I'm not saying he's Andy Reit. He was never a fan of NFL football. He told me, he goes, I don't even watch football. But he's a quick learner and he'll figure it out. And he'll get worked his first year, too. He'll get worked by some NFL guys. But I always have a rule when I hire people in radio or TV.

I just hire smart. I'll teach you the rest of it. You can have 30 years in radio. If you're a mouth breather, I can't do anything with you. There's nothing I can do with you. Bill Belichick, mother spoke seven languages, and his dad wrote the book on scouting. Bill's not perfect. He's just smarter than everybody else. I'm sorry. Football coaches come in two shapes and sizes. Smart guy, tough guy. Sean McVeigh's really smart. Dan Campbell's really tough. You're going to break your kneecaps. Take the smart guy. I don't know if Urban Meyer will be a home run, but if Trevor Lawrence is healthy, no college coach that I can think of has a greater chance to succeed because he just figures stuff out fast. I've seen. I've seen. a million college football coaches and players do college football games. Nobody figured it out

faster than Sabin and Urban Meyer, the two best college coaches I've ever seen. And by the way, I don't think you have to have perfect personality matches. Michael Jordan punched a teammate. He was coached by the Zen Master. Okay, Tony Dungey, Peyton Manning, Bruce Ariens, cocktails at five, Tom Brady. Ideally, you'd like to have kind of a breeze Sean Payton relentlessness. But the bottom line is Doug Collins was relentless. And so was Michael. And they didn't get along.

It didn't work. Not that they didn't get along. They actually did get along. But it just didn't work as well as Phil Jackson, the Zen Master. So my take in this whole thing with Urban Meyer and Nick Saban, when in doubt, Dan Wetzel has a very interesting column. You should read it. It's excellent.

When in doubt, I just go, how smart are they? And if the answer is really? I'm going to check the box of I think it mostly works. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. This is the herd line news. By the way, Merrill Streep, in my opinion, is the best actor in America for 30 years. Masters at Yale.

I always say I'll take competent over and ice any day when it comes to work. Yeah. Not in a personal life, but work, yes, it's easier to work with smart people. Yes. It is. So Anthony Davis is returning, and it's going to. And closer and closer, Frank Vogel announced yesterday that AD has been cleared for full contact practice. He also added that he will be eased back into his workload and he'll have restricted minutes at first to help him get back into shape.

Team did not give any update on when LeBron is expected back, but he could be, Anthony Davis could be back this weekend. Okay. I have a question. So when did Anthony get hurt like February, right? Yes. Yeah. It was going to be four to six weeks and now it's April, mid-April. We all know this is a game, right?

Well, yes. But I would say with Anthony Davis, you have to be extra cautious. But it does feel like a little like last year in the bubble. They're getting a very convenient. They probably they're being, they have the convenience of giving him as much time as he needs. And the Lakers are more than competent with him gone lost last night,

but they're a competent team. They're 13 and 15 since he went out. They're just so let's like, what's the point? It's like James Harden. There's no reason to play James Harden. Brooklyn can win four to five games without him. Just get him for their playoffs. They slid from, the Lakers slid from two to five in the Western Conference standings.

This team can win on the road. They lost 121, 113 last night, which is not really a reflection of how much of a blowout that game was. Yeah, but Jalen Brown, I watched for 45 minutes. Jalen Brown did not miss a shot. I don't know what his shooting percentage was. He did not miss a shot in the 40. He starts seven shots when I watched.

I don't think he missed one. He had 40 in all five starters had double digit points. So there's not a whole lot of defense from the Lakers last night. Lakers mailed it in. I'll be normally a very good defensive team. But yeah, you got to take your time with Anthony Davis. But I do think it's important that they are focusing on easing him back in. He's not going to be getting his full minutes that he usually has.

And the focus is getting him back into game shape as they're heading into the playoffs, which is what we expected. So inexplicably, Mack Jones has been getting compared to Tom Brady leading up to the draft, which I made the decree yesterday. So anyone in the media that is listening, do not do Tom Brady comparisons to anyone in the draft, please. Like from now and forever. Like from this point forward,

it's just not, let's just take that off the table, please. But he does think he has some similarities to Brady. He doesn't want to be mentioned with the goat just yet. He said, I don't like comparing myself to him. I've got a long way to go. But coming out of college, it doesn't have arm strength, can't throw a spiral, can't move. I can do that stuff,

but it's more like the intangible stuff. He's got the fire still, and that's why he's so good. Well, he's also got drafted by a baseball team. He's 6-5. He's got a great arm. Let's stop with the Tom's Intangibles are great. Tom's Tangibles are great.

Yeah. Tom was drafted by a major league baseball team. Peyton Manning wasn't. You know, so we always hear about Tom's intangibles. You're not the goat on intangibles. No. You're the goat on tangibles. The Tom Brady not being athletic things getting, it gets really blown out of proportion.

You know what it is, Joy? It's that picture when he was in the combine. Listen, one bad picture can really define you. But 20 years ago was different. I'll give you an example. And I've said this. I remember as a kid, I think it's in the 80s. So Fred Lynn from Southern California and Jim Rice were great baseball players.

And I can remember reading the story, and I think it was in the sporting news. It may have been in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. Red Sox are now lifting weights during the season. evolutionary. That was the story. And Fred Lynn was his sort of wispy great glove. He was kind of a slender, left-handed, fantastic center fielder. But he didn't look real. And they were like talking about Jim Rice and Fred Lynn are lifting weights. That was in the 80s. That wasn't in the 50s. Right. So athletes, if you go back to when Tom Brady came in the league, a lot of guys weren't yoked up. Nobody looking. I remember Vernon Davis was the first guy ever watched the draft.

or the combine It took a shirt off It was the first time I ever even thought Holy hell There were a lot of guys that weren't ripped We had Mark Schlerth on the other day And we were talking about someone coming in the locker room And he mentioned that a guy came into the locker room

And he was like muscles From his earlobes to his toes And he couldn't play So like it doesn't really actually matter But we get a little disrespectful With how athletic Tom Brady is Like I don't know He's only been playing 20 years

He just won a Super Bowl. By the way, he's kind of athletic. Been hurt once telling you his body is, it's a professional athlete body. He doesn't get hurt. Yes. We know that part, a big part of why he is so successful is because of his brain. But the brain is housed in Tom Brady's body, which he then has to use that body to do what the brain is telling him to do. He is athletic and that's it.

Like maybe he's not as athletic as Lamar Jackson or Patrick. Mohams, but he's still athletic. I was at a speaking engagement in New York with Eli Manning and stood next to him. Eli's way bigger in person than he is on television. Eli Manning is a big kid up close. Yeah, let's just stop with Tom Brady comparisons. So the NFCUS

is one of the strongest divisions in the NFL. All four teams have made moves this offseason to try and get better in 2021. And it's going to be some tough competition in that division next year. But Rams coach, Sean McVeigh, said on the Rich Eisen's show that he doesn't feel the same way.

No, it's not fun. It's really not a pool. You know, it's a pool that I wouldn't mind, you know, not being in, to be honest with you. But, hey, it sure makes it fun for you to say, hey, how is it fun swimming in the deep end six times of years, so he doesn't enjoy it as much as the fans do, the tough competition.

Not only that, but the quarterbacks are great. It's not just the coaches. Well, he's 16 and 8 in the NFC West in the four seasons. It's been his bugaboo a little bit. That's the guy he struggles with. He's 17 and 8, including the playoffs, and the Rams have won the NFC West twice under McVeigh in his first two seasons, 2017 and 2018.

This is, I think everyone thinks this is the most competitive division. Well, and I also think it's the best coach division. Second is the Belichick, Brian Flores, Sean McDermott division. So we don't know if Kingsbury or Robert Sala are good. But when you have three... I don't know. I think the AFC North is... You've got to talk about the AFC North, too. Tomlin, Stefansky.

Now, that's good, too. You're right. That's great, too. You're right. Now, the Bengals, we're not sure on yet. But I don't know that we're sure about the Cardinals yet either. Like, I would say, I would put the Cardinals and the Bengals sort of, obviously the Cardinals are more talented and further along. Young coach, we don't know yet.

Young coach, young quarterback that we think has potential to be great. Yeah. So there's just some tough divisions in the NFL right now. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Back out with Peyton Manning and the Colts, six years of the NFL,

and a guy I love listening to, knows college, knows pro. We hired him just a while back a couple years ago. It's been a great hire for us. Brock Heward, Fox Sports NFL Analyst is joining us live, brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, best or nothing. So listen, I'm on the Justin Fields thing. I think we're kind of making up stuff about him that's just not true. And I just think, and I've said this before,

people see what they want to see. That's what they want to see. And also, stories sell. And, you know, Justin Fields, Ohio State, nitpick, Nick Pick. I think we share an opinion on Justin Fields. I think we both think he's good. Well, where do you have him? Yeah, he's my second in this class, Colin.

I don't know how many other quarterbacks, former quarterbacks you talk to, but most of the guys that I have chatted with on radio shows and otherwise used to play the position, it's Trevor One, it's Justin Fields too. And I love coming into the show listening to all that body talk. You're right at my alley. You enjoy. Because that's the first thing that I do, man, when I meet these guys, like you, Colin, you talked about me and Eli.

And when I saw Trevor Lawrence as a true freshman, early and roly, I did a spring game. I think I've told you this story a ton. It's like, jeesh. I mean, I don't look up at many guys, but he is, he's one I looked up to. Saw Justin Fields a couple times in college in person. And he is just, he is just built. Yeah.

And I know he's now on a vegan diet. He's cut some weight. He feels a little bit better. But he's just a phenomenal athlete. I love the body. I love the body of work. I love 20 and 2 in college. And the only losses are, you know, in a semi-final and a championship game,

Clemson and Alabama in respective years. And if I'm John Lynch and I'm Kyle Shanahan and I'm sitting in there, and you all just got done talking about the NFC West. You know, and I've got to face Aaron Donald and Leonard Floyd. And I've got to face JJ Watts and Chandler Jones. And I've got to face Carlos Dunlap and all the moves. Pete and John have made. I got to have somebody that can create a little bit. And Justin does a little bit more than just a little bit in the creative mode. You know, it's interesting. There's a story by Dan

Wetzel today saying, you know, Trevor Lawrence is just chill. And Urban is a maniac. And Urban would kind of laugh and tell you he is. And now again, you played with Peyton Manning, who is super intense. In fact, Bill Poldian loves him and called him a teeth clencher. I mean, Peyton is just, I mean, he is rough on people. Jeff Saturday would tell you, I love him, but he is rough. And Tony, Tony Dungey's more mentor, more, you know, he's quieter. Your thought on, though, the relationship between chill quarterback and intense coach? Yeah, intense and demanding. I think that's the word that I would use with Peyton. He was so demanding of everyone, the film guy, the backup quarterback, the receiver,

the running back coach. It was just demanding because he was that way on himself. And I think that's the important part here. Are you chill in personality? Are you a West Coast kid? Are you a Southern Georgia kid that just easy going and a little bit laid back personality? That's fine. But when it comes to competing, when it comes to doing what you love to do, how demanding are you in every last little detail?

And I think there's a lot of guys, Colin, in the league today, even young players that have to learn that. That's what Tom's brain does. That's what Drew Breeze's brain does. It just demands constantly to be excellent. And, geez, I mean, the resume is 90 and six. Kid has played 96 games of high school and college football, calling 96. And he's 90 and six in those games.

And he talked to anybody around that program day one, when he set foot at Clemson, he demanded excellence of himself, everybody around him. And you don't become a champion. You don't become a winner unless you got that. demanding competitive nature on the inside. It is interesting. His dad, though, said this week, Brock, his dad said, listen, he's not defined by football. You know, he could give it up at some point.

He'd be fine with it. He's a happy kid. Reminds me a little Andrew Luck. I mean, what do you make? Because I think Joy and I both, when we first read it, our first thing was, oh, no. But, you know, I said yesterday, Michael Jordan was so intense. He wore himself out twice and quit. what do you make of that doesn't have a chip on his shoulder

and football's part of my life doesn't define it. Does it worry you at all? When you're the one of ones, Colin, you know what you can be? Transparent. Yeah. Because every other agent is told every other kid, hey, when you talk to these teams, what, Colin? Oh, football's the most important thing in my life.

I love football more than anything. Marvin Demoff told me that 25 years ago or whatever it was. Hey, listen, when you go to the combine, you sit in these interviews, you got to all tell them, man, football is the only thing. I eat, breathe, and sleep, and I just love it. It's versed by every one of these employees that want to be drafted by their employer. But when you're one-on-ones, when you're gifted in every way, when you check every box as Trevor does, when you have the body of work, when you've got a unique and incredible athleticism and size and strength and all of it.

Guess what you can be? Yeah, I mean, I love football, and I want to win in the worst way, but it doesn't define me. and I think to have kind of some of the stones to actually be honest and not just say what you want, you know, what you think the employer wants you to say, I think it's a little bit refreshing to be honest. I want to ask you, you've seen a lot of Carolina last few years, NFL analyst for us at Fox, Sam Darnold. You know, I was saying this to somebody the other day. Joe Brady, his coordinator, is 31 and is already up for head coaching jobs. His biggest concern to Carolina is my coordinator is probably going to be gone in two years. But how do you think it works?

You know their personnel. You know Donald. You covered him in the PAC 12. He can be a little reckless. What do you make of him to Carolina? I mean, that's a single biggest thing, Colin, is I would have probably taken Sam Donald, number one, in that class, to be honest with you. I thought of him that much.

I know you thought highly of him, too, but reckless is being nice. He's been horrendous taking care of the football with the Jets. They're building an excellent defense. I like the fit. If you and I would have chatted the day before that trade went down, And we would have put all the teams together that said, okay, where can Sam end up? Where's a really good fit? Maybe just in culture, maybe out of the limelight just a little bit, young aspiring coaches.

It's a head coach, as a coordinator that are innovative, that are building a defense around him, you know, that takes some of the burden off of him. Oh, by the way, one of the best running backs in the league so you can play action and move. I mean, Colin Carolina would have been in our top three. Yeah. I think it really would have been as we walk through those different teams. So it is a new lease on life. He's got to take care of the football. He's got to walk that line and understand how precious it is.

Not too different, to be honest with you, than when I went to Indianapolis and Tony Dungey was a new coach for Peyton Manning. And I know that that was the demand that he had. If we're going to win a world championship, Peyton, put up all these numbers, do all these stats. But we've got to take care of the football. And look at Peyton's turnover numbers. Once Tony came to town, they plummeted, more wins. obviously a Super Bowl and a couple trips for Peyton in two and two different cities.

I'm not putting those expectations on Sam, but I fully believe this will re-energize his career. Yeah, I talked to Jason Garrett, former cowboy coach about a month ago, and we talked off the air. We were just talking on the phone, and he said, I had to have a sit-down with Daniel Jones, and he said, listen, you're just not going to keep this job. You're going to stop. And by the way, next four games, he had like one turnover. So, like, to your point, that's been Pete Carroll's knock on Russell Wilson. I can take the running around.

I can't take the picks. Brock Heward, great job. Six years in the league, buddy. We'll talk soon. Thank you so much. Love it, Colin. You got, buddy. See it.

By the way, interesting. So, NFL.com, Greg Rosenthal, they ranked based on draft performance, the best GMs in the NFL, and the worst. Interesting. Interesting, who is worst. That's coming up.

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So as you know, I bring general managers of NFL teams on the show a lot. A lot of my sources are general managers, scouting directors, blah, blah, blah, blah. is I've always said if I didn't do this for a living, joy is my witness, I would want to be a general manager in the NFL. I love the draft. I like building stuff. I like the architecture of it. Of course, I wouldn't succeed. Like a GM probably wouldn't succeed as a talk show host. I probably picked the right career, but I love it. Everybody's got a second job they would do. You know, some people want to be, you know, actors or they want to be screenwriters. I picked the right job, but this would be my second job. And so I'm fascinated by it. I ask a lot of questions.

I love talking to general managers, and they make fun of me because they think I'm obsessed by it. Every time I do a mock draft, they all are like, just stay to a sports host. You're not going to be a general manager. You're crazy. But the point being is, I love it. So I talk about a lot of guys. Mickey Loomis of the Saints, I think is unbelievable. Brandon Bean of Buffalo, Chris Ballard.

These are the guys I talk about over and over and over. Well, NFL.com studied all their picks last decade, and they have their top five. So they're top five of the guys we love, which is Chris Ballard's number one, Kevin Colbert Steelers, Jason Light of the Bucks, Brandon Bean, Sean McDermott, Buffalo, and Mickey Loomis. These are the guys I constantly bring up. I just think some guys are just great at this draft thing, and they are great. Then let's go to the bottom of it. John Gruden of the ones rated was right near the bottom. Ryan Pace, who I've been critical of, Howie Roseman, Dave Gettlement.

the guys they've been critical of, but John Gruden's interesting. So the problem for John Gruden is he made two huge trades early. Amari Cooper, he got a bunch of first round picks, and Khalil Mack got a bunch of first round picks. He inherited those players, and he didn't hit on all those picks. In fact, he hit on one. So he gets all those picks for Amari Cooper and Kalil Mack, five, four are meh. One's a bust, maybe two, and one, Josh Jacobs running back, has been great. Three of those five picks have been complete head scratchers.

Henry Ruggs, I didn't like him, didn't get it, he's fast, nothing else. And John Gruden can be an eight-year-old at a toy store. The faster, the flashier it is, mommy, I want that. You ever seen those made-for-television products, the sham-wow, the oxy clean, the knife that cuts through a coin, the snuggy. I mean, nobody has ever sat, had a blanket, and thought, you know what this thing is missing? Arms. You've never in your life taken the change out of your pocket and thought, I'd love to cut it in half.

But Gruden is one of those guys that feels like to me, he sits at home and would order that stuff. He falls in love with stuff. You cannot fall in love with college players. You have to fall in like with them. That's why John Gruden is a very, very emotional guy. That's what makes him great. that's why we love John. He emotes.

He's great. He's funny. Why it's a great television personality and why I think he's a really good coach. He can't do personnel. You've got to get him out of personnel. It's not what he does. He loved Johnny Mansell.

Of course he did. Because Johnny Mansell was different and flashy and talkative and cocky. It's right up John's alley. And of course he loved Henry Ruggs because he's a burner. He's a track guy. He runs 100 miles an hour. And so when you start looking at these guys, this is why most coaches, including Belichick, should stay away from personnel. When I talk to Chris Ballard, when I talk to Tom Telesco, when I talk to these guys and a couple others that would remain anonymous, Brett Veach, Kansas City, these guys are just, it's like, it's like, honestly, like being a chef, you're just looking for fresh produce.

they don't get emotional about it. Chris Ballard talks me off the ledge. It's just like they're accountants. They're like, this is the way he does well. This is the way he doesn't do well. I like this. I never hear love. I hear like.

I never hear love. Oh, I love this guy. They like them. But they know they're human and they're 22 years old and they can get hurt. Gruden falls in love with everything. And so you start looking at the, you start looking at the goods and the bads. And you know, it is interesting because what they do is they give you the best pick the guy's ever made and the worst pick.

And even the best guys have whiffed. But it is funny. This is inexact science. So Jason Lide of the Buccaneers, he drafted a guy I loved out of college. I love it because I'm a recruiting dork. He took Vernon Hardgraves, the third, a corner from Florida. He was the best corner in high school. He's the best corner in college.

I loved him. It didn't work. So it's an inexact science. Some guys don't love the game. They like what the game can do for them. Some guys get hurt. Some guys just, you know, they just don't. You talk to Akib Talib, and he's ready to fight you over a loose football.

Some guys say, you got it. I'll get the next one. So, you know, you can't. The best of the best, whiff. Bill Polion's a Hall of Famer told me one time he drafted a guard. Two practices in, he turned and apologized to the coach. He can't play. And Bill's a Hall of Famer.

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