The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/19/2021 - HOUR 3 - NFL, trades

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

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coffee dot com code herd h e rd learn more set up before learn more about football from jimmy johnson than any person i've ever known uh hall of fame NFL coach great college coach one of the great personnel evaluators and yes I give him a ton of credit. Nobody in this league made trades. Nobody until Jimmy Johnson. And now if you don't make trades like the Bengals, we think you're cuckoo. Now if you

have to make trades or we think you're all, it'd be like being an NBA player that couldn't shoot a three point shot. What's wrong with you? And Jimmy started that avalanche and frankly as a sportscaster, it makes it a lot more fun. Jimmy is now joining us live. You know, it is funny about all these guys and all these

trades. So when you, you went and you said, here's my best player, I'm going to trade him. Did Jerry Jones say, Jimmy? What do we do? I mean, did you get any pushback from Jerry? Not really. The first couple of years, in fact, the first four years, Jerry was spending all of his time, you know, trying to pay off that $140 million loan. And so he really didn't mess with the football a whole lot. Now, he paid it off after four years. and so after four years, he wanted to get involved in football. Yeah, I get that. So let me talk about pro days.

I've always kind of rolled my eyes a little bit at them, but you know, you don't have a combine now, Jimmy, so some guys are having a second pro day. Do you remember ever going to a pro day and thinking, well, I wouldn't have seen that on tape? No, I can't think of anything in particular. But Colin, the most important thing for me on pro days or even the combine, was getting to know these players personally.

I didn't want to draft anybody with a high pick unless I knew them personally unless I've been around them. Because we can all see, in fact, I was talking to Matt Rill about it. I said, you know,

the very first thing is can he play? You know, I said, but then you've got to be able to predict is he going to get better? You know, is he going to improve? And the number one thing,

I'd say, you know, there's five characteristics that I look for, the intangibles, to see if he's, going to get better. Number one is intelligence. I said, hit me in the head with a hammer the next time I take a dumb guy. I said, you know, the second thing, I want a gym rat. I want somebody that works hard, you know, that loves to compete. You know, the third thing I wanted to playmaker.

You know, I don't know if you're a golfer or not, but you know, when you're playing golf, there's certain guys that if they got a six foot putt, you know they're going to miss it every time. And there are certain guys with six foot putts. They're going to make it every time. Well, that's the playmakers I wanted. the guy that can make the basket. And then the fourth thing, I want to speed and quickness, and the fifth thing is character. You can't win championships with bums. Yeah.

No, no, it's true. And you've always said that to me. I don't want dumb players. You've got to be able to learn. And I think that's going. And I think we have smarter and smarter players as we go along and they got better coaching. You know, Trevor Lawrence said something the other day.

My initial feeling was, uh-oh, when he said, his dad said, listen, he could give up football today and he'd be happy. He's not, you know, he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder. He's a happy kid. You know, I don't know. I mean, does that alarm you even 5%? Not really. I wouldn't pay a whole lot of attention, you know, to what I read or what I hear.

You know, I would concentrate on what I know. And that's one-on-one interviews, having dinner, haven't known the particular player for three or four years. I know Urban spent a lot of time with him back about three years ago. And so people have been following his career for a long time, and they know him personally. You know, Atlanta is an interesting team. So I made the argument, if I was a first-year GM and the Falcons GMs are first-year GM, I would rather, if the first three picks are quarterbacks,

I would rather take guaranteed quality Kyle Pitts than speculative. quantity a billion draft picks. Because I think Matt Ryan's good enough with a great player around him. But Jimmy, you like trades. If you had Atlanta's number four pick and Matt Ryan cost you a fortune for two years, you can't bail on him, it's dead catmany.

Where would you go with Atlanta's number four pick? Well, Colin, you remember a year ago at this time, I said that Detroit should take a quarterback, you know, Herbert, you know, and so, you know, they said, you know, they said, hey, you're crazy. We've got a quarterback. We've got Matthew Stafford. Well, you know, I think looking back, they probably would have been happy to take Herbert. Yeah, quarterbacks are valuable. If I was at Atlanta, you know, first of all, you're going to receive a lot of phone calls as far as trading up to that pick.

Now, I wouldn't trade very far. but if I got a bonanza type of offer, I could probably trade down a couple of spots and still get the player that I want. And then, you know, if, you know, a team balks on you, hey, I wouldn't be afraid if I had Atlanta to take one of those quarterbacks, call their bluff, you know,

because you'll still get phone calls even after the draft. But I know you like Kyle Pitts, and he is an extraordinary athlete and player. but I would just, I'd keep all my options open right now. You know, Jimmy, it's funny, is a media person. There's only been three or four players. I say every year there's one kid, Chase Young, where you're like, okay, he's going to work. Jimmy, in your history, how many players in the draft did you look at and think, barring an injury, he can't miss?

He will, I mean, did you feel like, boy, he can't miss? Well, you know, I think you've got to see, you know, what you're looking for. I would say, you know, there's probably, you know, I always felt like there was 20, 25 players that can't miss now. They may not be an all pro or they may not be a Hall of Famer. But they can't miss as far as helping your football team win. Yeah. You know, I always looked at my picks. I'm saying, you know, for years, everybody said, take the best player available.

I said, I don't go that route. I want to take the best player available that helps our football team. Right. And if the best player available is not someone that really helps our football team, I'm going to move out of that pick if I can. Right. And then, you know, take somebody that's going to help our football team, and they're the best player available at that particular pick.

Yeah. Cincinnati historically just doesn't make trades. and then we know the Pete Carrolls will make trades. When you were going down the draft board, let's say you're running a team right now, is there a list of teams that you would be like, okay, we can call these for, they'll get something done in 10 minutes.

Did you know who, really? Oh, without question. I had speed dial on every team. And I remember, you know, we were trying to trade out of the pick. It must have been my third year. I didn't want to take a receiver. I saw the best player available,

but I didn't want to take a receiver. And so I called every team in the league trying to trade out of that pick. So Joe Gibbs said, hey, we'll make a trade with you. And so we negotiated and we got the trade all done. And so Robert Blackwell was my man in New York. And I said, Robert, are they taking the pick up to the desk? He said, no, he said, I'm watching, you know, Washington.

and they're not moving. I kept with their time, you know, clocks ticking, clocks ticking. And so, you know, I called Joe back. I said, Joe, I said, what's the deal? You know, we'll run out of time. He said, Jimmy, I'm sorry. He says, the old man won't let me trade with you guys. And so I was stuck, you know, because the time had run out.

So I ended up picking Alvin Harper, who ended up helping us win a Super Bowl or two. But that's not what I wanted in that particular pick. I wanted to move down and maybe take Harper at a later pick. So you had went fishing with Matt Rule, and I said this. I really don't think Sam Darnold's been given a fair shake. Now, Sam, some of Sam's issues, he can be reckless. He was at USC. He was at New York.

But you had, you went in a fishing trip, and you get to know a guy when you fish with him or you golf with him or you have beers with him. What was your takeaway on what Sam Darnold now is inheriting? Well, first of all, I did two of the three. I didn't play golf with him. But, yeah, I was extremely impressed with Matt Rill, very intelligent. He asked the right questions. Again, I was very, very impressed.

As far as Sam Darnel, you know, I think with Matt Rill, I think with an outstanding offensive supporting cast, I think with Brady as his offensive coordinator, I'm going to be interested to see what Sam Darnel can do. because I know a lot of people when Donald came out, you know, a lot of them said he may be the best quarterback in that particular draft. So it does a couple of things for Carolina. It allows them now, if they want to take a quarterback, they can do it because I guess they're going to trade Bridgewater.

Or they can take another player to add to their football team. Darnel gives them a little bit of a bonus there. and I'm expecting him to play well for him. I'm still a fan of Darnel. You know, it's funny, there was always a rule with quarterbacks. Parcell said this years ago, I want like 30 starts. I don't want one year. Now, Mac Jones, one year.

Trey Lance, not many starts. Could I say, though, Jimmy, could I say that used to be a rule, but the kids now get so many snaps in in all these camps that one year, it doesn't really matter. A guy can play or he can't. I agree with you, Colin. He can play or he can't play. You know, Burrell, how much did he play?

And, you know, he's as good a prospect that has come out of college in a long time. So they're getting such great coaching. The style of offense really allows him to showcase their abilities. And so it doesn't bother me if he hasn't been a superstar ever since he was in high school. At a different position, maybe so. You know, Emmett Smith was a superstar in high school. I tried to recruit him.

He was a superstar in college. And his performance, even though he wasn't the fastest, he wasn't the biggest, his performance was such that we knew he was going to be a great player. Yeah. By the way, in the draft stuff, as you accumulate all this stuff, I had a GM tell me years ago he liked drafting out of the SEC because he said they play in front of $100,000. It's a bunch of NFL guys. If a guy can be great on Saturday night in that conference, it's different than the PAC 12.

Do you believe that big game performers in college matter? Yeah, I think you can evaluate better from the Power 5 of the big conferences. But Matt Real actually asked me that question. He said, does it bother you taking a player from a small school? And I said, the only thing that I look at and I try to evaluate, you know, taking a player from a small school that's not as competitive as maybe the Southeastern Conference or a Power 5 team is their upside is probably larger, you know, because they're probably not getting quite the coaching.

For instance, you look at Alabama, Patrick Sartan right now, who I coached his father drafted him. He is as well coached by his dad and in high school and in college. as any cornerback in the entire country. And so, you know, he's a great player right now, but, you know, don't expect him to skyrocket from this performance because he's been well-coached all his life. That's a great point.

Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famer, absolute pleasure. You look great. You look comfortable. Did you catch any fish when you went out? Did you catch anything? We got into some Mahi-Mai, some schoolies. In fact, Matt's son, Brian, you know, he's. Brian, you know, he called him a couple of schoolies.

So we had a good time and then we came back to the house. It was fun. Good for you. Actually, everybody's getting vaccinated now, so they're wanting to get out of the house and travel with all that big group I had last week. Yeah. They're about to wear me out.

Get some rest, Jimmy. Good seeing you. All right, Colin. Yeah. By the way, that's a great point. He just made a great point. Patrick Sertain's dad was a great coach. Nick Sabin's a great coach.

So if you draft the corner from Alabama, what you see is what you get. Great player. We didn't have a ton. This was what we talked about, Nick Saban last year. I've had GM say when you draft the Nick Saban guy, what you see is what he is. Now you get Trey Lance or Josh Allen, by the way. He hasn't had the staff. He hasn't had the coaching the ceiling for a Trey Lance or a Ben Rothlessberger.

And they haven't played alongside other NFL level or high level talents either. Good stuff. Especially for quarterback. Be sure to catch live edition. of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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Well, someone that's played with a lot of talented guys in his career is Kevin Durant. He was recently on a podcast and was asked to pick his top five teammates, Kyrie Hardin, Steph, and Clay were quickly named, but his initial choice at 5 was surprising to some people. I'm gonna go Sergei Baca. Damn. Damn. I thought somebody else was good morning.

Me too. I'm just... I forgot somebody? Oh, damn, I am tripping. Russ, yeah, I'm tripping. Yeah, I'm just making sure, you know what I mean? Because it's game like mine. I did forget about Russ.

Russ would definitely be tough out. Oh, boy. Now, everybody kind of freaked out about this a little bit. I don't, it's fine. Like, this is what, when you're doing interviews and you generally want to ask somebody to list something, you tell them ahead of time so they can think about it. So he just, he's just answering. Like, I think everyone's a little too sensitive to everything that Kevin Durant does right now.

Yeah. Like, he didn't purposely leave Russ off the list because he doesn't like Russ. Obviously, Russ is a better player than Serge Baca. No disrespect to Serge Baca, but Russell Westbrook is a better player than Serge Baca. Yes. That's it. Like, yes. That's why he immediately was like, I'm driven.

We do this all the time with like, we ask politicians a question and they're at living. Right. Right. And they don't have a press secretary. They're getting on a helicopter and they say something. It doesn't matter who the president is. Whoa. And it's like you got a chopper noise in the background.

You got a mask on. You're walking to a helicopter. There's a million things that somebody shouts, hey, what do you think about that policy? And you're like, well, we'll have to think about it. You can't expect a great answer. Yeah. I got a chopper in the background. chopper in the background of this podcast interview, but generally when you ask people to list things,

you know, and maybe they did, who knows, but I don't think it's like anything to overreact to. Obviously, Russell Westbrook is in his top five. Yes. I don't think that they have a problem with each other as far as that goes. So the 76ers are holding onto the top seed in the east. They are. They play defense. It's only a few weeks left for the playoffs, but they want to stay on the top.

You know, we've talked a lot about where teams are seated this year and how it really doesn't matter, but for the Sixers, it might matter a little bit. Ben Simmons says he believes the team is more than capable of keeping the one seat this season. And Joelle and Bede, as they feel like they're unbeatable at home. And that's why the one seat is so important. They're 22 and 5 at home, 17 and 12 away. It's the second best home record this season behind the Jazz. They're fourth in points per game at home, 22nd in points per game on the road.

12th in points allowed at home, fourth in points allowed per game on the road. So they are two different teams home in a way, even in a very unique season with not as many fans in the stands. So they have to do a combination of wins and losses by contending teams to keep the number one seed over these next 14 games. But it does matter for them. Like for the Lakers, we're talking about like, both. Just stay fifth, sixth, fourth, fifth, sixth seed. It'll be fine. the road situation doesn't matter as much, but for the Sixers, it does.

I watched the entire Sixers' Clippers game on Friday from my house and the Dodgers pod. I watched a lot of TV Friday, and there's no question that the Clippers and the Sixers are absolutely good enough to get to the finals. I don't think they're better than the Lakers, but it was really good basketball. Paul George and Joel Embed just were unbelievably dominant for stretches in that game. I think we're going to have a really good playoff season. We got a very good high-end, bad at the bottom, very good at the top. So you're into it. Jake Paul's professional boxing career continues to grow.

He beat former UFC fighter Ben Astrin by knockout in the first round on Saturday. Ascran managed to get to his feet after taking the hit, but the ref decided to end the fight despite him pleading his case. So this moves Jake Paul to 3-0 boxing record. 3-0. He beat Nate Robinson and that's... Knocked him out. Yes, that's...

Do you know what I've heard a couple of potential fights for him? Have you heard about it? I'm hearing some stuff. So am I. I'm hearing some stuff. With two former... Two, one super high profile former athlete and then one not super profile.

I keep hearing a name. Can I say one of them? I don't know. I keep hearing Kendall Gill. former NBA player wants to fight Jake Paul. Yeah. And then a former NFL guy, I'm not going to say. Okay.

But it's a big name. Well, listen. I'd watch. Look, we know him and his brother and their YouTube career. Yeah, that's what they do. Career. But he's taking it very seriously. He looks like he's taking it very seriously.

Yes, absolutely. He's winning. Ascran was a fighter. He had a 19 and 2 record in MMA. Now, obviously, you can. you know, have the conversation about boxing in MMA, but it's not like that's Mayweather and McGregor. That's a legitimate conversation about how those styles are going to translate.

Like, that's a professional fighter. He gets hit in the face for a living. And got knocked out flush. Just bang. And people like it. It had 1.5 pay-per-view buy 1.5 million pay-per-view buys for $75 million. I don't have a problem with this. I don't, like, I don't know.

I'm just going to watch it and enjoy it. Like, I think sometimes we get a little bit too into like, the romance and like the nostalgia of the sports. Yeah, like just, it's fine. It's a legitimate competition. Enjoy it. It's like dessert. Stop trying to take everything so seriously.

It's dessert. You don't have a dessert every meal. You don't have a dessert every day. But sometimes you just want dessert. Not a fresh salad. And he's taking it seriously. Like if it was just the spectacle. Then it'd be different.

Then it'd be different. But boxing has a element to the sport where you have to sell the fight. You have to make it interesting. fights all the time that are completely great fights, but there's nothing interesting about the fighters. There's nothing interesting about the story. They sell it. So good on them. Yeah. I totally agree. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

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On the podcast, Reality with the King, I, Carlos King, recap the biggest moments from your favorite reality shows, including the Real House Wise franchise. the drama, the alliances, and the T, everybody's talking about. As an executive producer in reality television, I'm not just watching it. I understand the game. As somebody who creates shows, I'll even say this. At the end of the day, when people are at home, they want entertainment. To hear this and more, listen to Reality with the King on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The story I've told myself about love.

or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected.

We're becoming more individualized, but we actually need people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time. You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a perimenopausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast.

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Getting naked at 50 with a new guy. That one's kind of hard. Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears, or tears of laughter, and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of My Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Tori Smith played in the NFL for eight years. He won two Super Bowls, Ravens and Eagles. He played in 11 playoff games and was 9 and 2. He played with different quarterbacks. Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Carson Wentz. Played with different coaches. Ron Rivera, John Harbaugh, Doug Peterson. Frank Reich. Those are a lot of good football coaches, and Tori is joining us live.

You know, it's interesting. I always say, Tori, for quarterbacks, it really does matter where you land. Josh Allen has a great support system in Buffalo. Lamar does in Baltimore. As a receiver, and this draft has a lot of good receivers, did you feel where the coaches you had, because quarterbacks, it's clear, it matters. But for a wide receiver, if you're good, you're good. feel coaching could help or hinder your career? I think coaching can help you no matter what your position is. I know for myself, being in a certain environment and depending on how you're used, you can perform better. And that's no knock against any coach I've had. I've loved every coach. I haven't had a bad coach, college or the NFL. But I know for certain players, you come from

college and they have high expectations for them, yet you can go into the wrong system, whether you're a quarterback or even if you're a young receiver in order for you to thrive. So I think we need to give a lot more respect to the coaches in terms of what they're able to do when guys actually go out and perform at a high level because that adjustment and transition isn't as easy as some of the players make it look. You know, I want to talk about some of the receivers in this draft. Now, Devonte Smith is very explosive. But Tori, I look at his body and I think, man, he is light. And I hear, and I made calls on this. And people say he's tough. He plays. big. And I thought to myself, well, if I knew I was going to get seven years out of him at a high

level, I draft him. When you look at his frame, does it look like to you size and lack of size could hinder him a little in the league? I think for us, sometimes we picture and we think of football players and NFL players that have to be these big, bulky, creating a lab type players like Julio Jones. But the reality of it is, you don't have to be that. And the perfect example is Deshaun Jackson. Deshaun Jackson isn't the biggest guy in the world, but I'm promise you he'll run past anyone and he knows how to protect himself. He's made consistently one of the best deep threats in the history of the game. And I view Smith in the same category. Devante proved last year he was one of the best, the most dominant receiver in football

last year. And now for him to have the opportunity to go into the league, I'm expecting much of the same. Yes, there'll be a transition. It's the same way for a lot of players in his league. But the reality of it is, his size isn't going to slow him down at all. He can win off the line. He's great at separating. And that's all you need to do to win in the NFL. a receiver in this class you look at and go, boy, it's going to be hard for him not to be great. Jamar Chase, he's easily the best receiver in this draft. He would have been the best receiver last year in the draft. And when you watch him and you think about what it takes to succeed in the NFL, you have to be able to win one-on-one battles. He consistently done that.

You have to be physical. You have to be able to win at the line of scrimmage. He consistently did that. And then when you watch him the way he can run every route, you can put him inside and outside, he's the quarterback's best friend. And I'm looking. forward to him shining right away. You know, it's interesting. You were in Philadelphia, which has become in the last year a bit of a mess. And there were rumors for years about Carson Wentz. Not great in the locker room. And listen, I don't know.

I'm not in that locker room. Do you think he rebounds in Indianapolis in a less chaotic situation? Or do you think he has been irreparably damaged with all the confident stuff and issues in Philadelphia? So Carson Wentz is going to shine in Indianapolis. And one, it's about his character. You know, I never really believe any of the things I saw because I know what I saw in my own two eyes with his work ethic and the way he was as a strong leader then.

It would have to be a total 360 for me to believe anything more than that. But for him going in India, it's the perfect situation. You know, it's similar to when he was the most successful in Philadelphia. They're going to commit to the run, very balanced. Not to mention they have a coach that he's very familiar with. Oh, I'm sorry, the power went out on me. That's okay. I can still hear you. But for Carson, I'm expecting a huge year out of him performance-wise, and I know that he's going to bounce back.

Let me ask you about all this pro-day stuff. Sometimes, Tori, I look at pro days, and I just roll my eyes. I mean, you're going out there catching footballs from your college quarterback. Nobody's on you. Did you ever, Tori, believe, did you ever think a pro-day hell? helped or hurt a player in your career? It can, but the reality of it is, the pro day is simply a tool for a lot of coaches.

You think about the 40-yard dash in the NFL. They just use that to confirm if you can run, right? So it's the same way for the pro day. If you can bomb your, you can bomb your pro day as a player, yet they'll look at your film and watch you in actual live games, in which it matters the most.

And then they'll know that, hey, he had a bad day, and we believe in its potential on what we saw in film. So it's not an either-or type thing, but it can sure help you. if you go out and perform at a high level. Tori, are there positions in football that are easier for rookies and harder? Like I've always been told running back. If you can come in and make people miss, the only thing they ask is can you block?

Because a lot of college running backs are not asked to block elite pass rushers. But in your life in the NFL almost a decade, are there positions that you think are easier to transition college to pro and positions that are more difficult? Well, it used to be the receiver position that people thought was hard for guys to transition, but the guys now are coming out, and I like to mention the fact that some of these guys have been running routes and doing things at a high level and actually been receiving training since they were in middle school nowadays.

You know, they've been playing seven on seven forever. They've been doubling up in the spring. So guys are coming in more pro-ready than they were ever before. But I would say when it comes to that specifically, it has to be offensive tackles and offensive linemen. It's tough. The NFL is won and lost in the trenches. and to be out there on that island with guys like Bond Miller,

you know, and so many dominant, Kalil-Max, so many dominant players, that's easily the toughest position to transition in the Indian NFL. Boy, you played with some great players, two-time Super Bowl champ, Ravens, Philadelphia. When you go back and look at your career, who was the most physically gifted player you ever played with? That's a tough one, because I played with some,

some stars, but it had to be Alden Smith. When I was in San Francisco, he never actually, I came in the year he had some issues and got in trouble. But the reality of it is, I haven't seen a player that was as physically gifted as he was. I also played with Bruce Campbell in college, so he has to count. He was a combine freak. I was drafted by the Raiders. But when I think of just pure talent and broad talent, it had to be Aldous Smith. And that says a lot because, you know, I played with Ray Lewis. I played with Ed Reed. I played with Anquam Bolden. Those are some of the best players to play this game ever. Luke Keekeley, Navarra Bowman.

I mean, the list goes on for so many talented guys, but Alden was special on what he was able to do, especially when he was younger. By the way, we only have a minute left. I've got to tell you a story. So Tori Smith got caught in traffic today. So he literally got on the phone and he called Villanova University and said, I'm supposed to be on the herd. Do you have anywhere I could do the show?

They said, yes. So he's wearing sweatpants. And then in the middle of this interview, the lights went out. So I don't know, Tori, personally, but I'm going to tell you something. You've had two chaotic situations in the last half hour, and you have aced both of them. So congratulations to you. And by the way, the president and founder of Level 82 leverages the power of community collaboration to enable all Baltimore families to reach their full potential. Look it up, level 82.

pleasure to have you on. And I'd love to have you on again. When the lights aren't going out and you're not stuck in traffic jams, if you're ever in L.A., come by our set. Thank you. Appreciate you having me. Thank you. You bet.

He was in a traffic jam and literally called a local university and said, do you have a room? They're like, yeah, we think we do. And he ran into the room. Some guys are good on the spot. This is very impressive. The supplement we take every day as M Drive, powerful ingredients, back by science,

energized, stronger leader, go to MDrive for Men.com today. Free shipping, by the way. Yeah. Alden Smith. Well, Alden Smith, Jerry Jones took a gamble on him and the Patriots just to gable on him. Why?

Because Tori Smith played with Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and said, that's the most physically gifted player ever played with. That's why he gets chances. And second chance. And third chances. You might need more. Yeah. All right.

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