The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/20/2021 - HOUR 1 - Curry, Broncos, Steelers

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

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Ah, it's a Tuesday. Draft is inching closer in the NFL live in Los Angeles. It's the herd, wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Fox Sports Radio, Iheart Radio, right here on FS1. Michael Vick this hour. Dan Mullen coach of the Florida Gators next hour. Kyle Pitts coach. He faced all these Alabama guys top of the draft.

It was all about these players. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you? I'm good. Kyle Trask is coach also. Yes, Kyle Trask. He may sneak into the first round. So Dan Mullen's been one of the smarter offensive guys in college football for the last 10 years.

Coach Jack Prescott, obviously. He's got to be very proud as a college coach. You really ever talk about that. Like, if you're a college coach and you got a kid that you recruited and helped develop, and then they get drafted in the first round. Make $40 million a year. 40 million. You've got to be proud of that. Yeah. Yeah. Dan and Dack have done very well for themselves. So Steph Curry, you know I love Steph Curry. Right. You know that. That goes beyond.

I've been defending Steph Curry forever. I don't think I've ever been critical of Steph Curry. I am Mr. Steph Curry. And last night he hit 10 threes and scored almost 50. And I'm not here to be Debbie Downer, but I actually wasn't blown away. I mean, to score 49 points on an NBA game is big. But Steph Curry has been on a streak for a month now that's insane. And he didn't suddenly get this much better. Let's add context. It has been a terrible year for defense in the NBA.

Do you know we're going to have the top four highest offensive ratings ever in league history all this year? The most points scored in 50 years in the NBA this year. the players didn't suddenly all get great. They didn't just suddenly start shooting threes. Folks, it's been an awful year to play defense, and there's an explanation for it. Because it's a condensed schedule. What does that mean? Players are more exhausted.

It's a shortened offseason. What does it mean? Players are more exhausted. What part of the game do you give up when you're exhausted? You don't give up points in offense because that pays you. We've also had more DNPs, did not play for star players resting for the playoffs. A prime example last night, Steph Curry didn't face Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons took the night off.

Ben Simmons is a great defensive player. You're getting this all season long where one or two stars don't play, and they would guard the other stars. So last night, Ben Simmons out, Steph Curry goes crazy. By the way, this weekend, Steph Curry went crazy against Boston. Jalen Brown, DNP didn't play. Jalen Brown's a great athlete and a very strong defensive guard. You also have no fans in most of these arenas. What does that mean?

It has a very scrimmage feel to it. You ever gone to the YMCA? How good a defense do they play? You ever watch the scrimmage? Nobody's taking a charge at scrimmage. Nobody's taking the big foul at scrimmage. Scrimmages tend to lean offense. So the Steph Curry's, the Zion,

the Lucas, offensively gifted players are having an absolute field day. Also, because of the increased three-point shooting, and you're noticing this the last couple of years, in the last three years, there's more blowouts. So if a team falls behind by 15, the only way to get back is threes, and if it's not your night shooting threes, the game gets ugly fast.

And what happens when the game's 27 points early third quarter? What part of the game do you give up? defense. Players also this year, it should be noted, and I get it. There's been a little animosity. Most of them didn't want to start the season as quickly as they did, and they didn't want an all-star weekend. So players have kind of decided, we're going to pick our spots this year, and where are the players picking their spots on the offensive end of the floor? Because that's how you get paid, and that's how you get shoe deals. And if you worked in your work environment and you are exhausted and you have a little animosity toward your

boss, you're going to take a couple shortcuts, but you're not going to take shortcuts on the stuff that gets you paid. So you're taking a lot of stars are taking the night off. Ben Simmons, Jalen Brown, don't face Steph, both very high, especially Simmons, high-end defensive players. Players

are more tired. They're taking the defensive end of the floor off. And we've said this. It is when you have all these superstar teams, the Nets went 19 and 4 when Kevin Durant didn't play. The Lakers have a winning record not only without AD but without LeBron and AD.

So if you face the Lakers right now, their defensive rating has gone through the floor since LeBron and AD left. It's not the same team. So this is not a shot at Steph Curry at all. It's not. But you have to add context. There's a reason the PAC 12 and the Big 12 have these wild shootouts. You want to know why?

Because they don't have SEC defensive football players. When the PAC 12 and the Big 12 generally go face the SEC that scores many points. So this year, already had almost 100 games where a player has scored 40 points. And we have 200 games to go. That is double 10 years ago. It shouldn't double. In economics, if your stock market doubles quickly, they call it a bubble, right? We have an NBA offensive bubble. It's going to burst next year. Guys will come back. They'll be more rested. Stars will take fewer games off, and the offensive numbers will pull back a little bit. So Steph is great. I love him. But this has been

an atrocious year for NBA defense. All right. So this story came out yesterday. We did not talk about it. The Broncos have a new general manager. And according to Woody Page, who writes for the Denver Gazette, he's been a journalist in that town for a hundred years. They want to move off Drewlock. They want to, they've called Atlanta, and they're going to move up, and they'd like to get a quarterback.

Now, it doesn't mean Atlanta's going to budge, but Denver likes trailing. Lance, and they like Justin Fields, and they should. They're both better than Drew Locke. And it's funny about Drew Locke. I get this a lot from Denver fans. You loved him! I did for five games. I did.

Josh Allen of the Bills and Drew Lock of the Broncos through 18 games, and that's how many Drews played, are the exact same quarterback. Bad. But here's the difference. The more I saw of Josh Allen, the more I liked him, the more I saw. the more I saw of Drew Locke, the less I liked him. Why? Because Drew Locke is a movie trailer. If you just get the highlights of a comedy, all comedies are funny in the movie trailer.

Will Ferrell's never had a bad movie trailer. But Will Ferrell's by half his movies aren't that funny because all the funny stuff's in the trailer. And that's not a knock on Will Ferrell because he's had some unbelievable movies. Go watch Alf. It's really good. Old school, all that stuff or whatever. But Drew Lock's a movie trailer. his highlights are amazing because he's got a big arm and he's athletic pretty athletic and he takes big swings and risks and he improvises a lot so if you watch his highlights or his movie trailer but when you really watch his game he's got really bad habits really loose there's a little

james winston although i don't think he's that talented really loose really casual thinks his arm is better than it is, throws the ball up for grabs five times a game, just throws it down the field. And by the way, so when did I like him? Well, at the end of 2019, the last five games of the year, he goes four and one. And I sat on the air multiple times, Joy is my witness, there's something there. I kept saying, there's something there I like him. But Denver wasn't good. I wasn't watching the entire game.

I was getting the movie trailer. I was getting his highlights. And he's got an arm. and he can move. But pro football focused watch all five of those games, every snap. And they graded him with a 58, which is T-Bow level. He was terrible. So if you'll watch the movie, instead of just watching the trailer to comedies,

that's why there have been so few great comedies made. There's been a million great trailers for comedies. every Will Ferrell trailer is hysterical. Jackie Moon was hysterical. Had about nine good minutes a movie. But the trailer was unbelievable. And what Drew Locke is, he's the anti-Darick Carr of the Raiders. If you watch Derek Carr's highlight film, I have a huge arm.

It's not super mobile. But if you actually watch the movie of Derek Carr, if you watch the games, Derek Carr's pretty good. I mean, he's very comparable to Tony Romo, who I think was one of the more underrated quarterbacks in the last 20 years. Derek Carr's a good player. He's accurate. He's a leader. In big spots, he can be good.

He can move a little. He's not super athletic, but he can move a little. He doesn't have a bad arm. He'll throw it over the top. He's a little hesitant. He's not a gun slinger. Sometimes he's a little Alex Smith. You wish he'd let her rip a little more.

But the movie of Derek Carr is pretty good. The trailer, put you asleep. Drew Locke's just the opposite. And so it looks like Denver is going to move off him. And if they don't, it's telling you just by the stories that, you know, my dad used to always say this, is that most of the decisions of your employment will be decided when you're not in the room. Lubricate, don't agitate. They're already raising hands in the front office of Denver and there's more.

let's move on, then keep him. And for this story to leak, they've already made their decision. He may play for another year, but barring just sensational improvement, they're moving on. All right, coming up next, it took me a while to get this coach. It really did. It took me years to get him. Now I do, and he's going nowhere as of this morning. That's coming up.

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Most head coaches, the successful ones, all have one thing when they're in the middle of a losing streak. One thing that defines them. One thing the players know they can trust. For Pete Carroll, it's his energy. Sean Payton, his intensity. It's like nobody else. Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, it's this sort of academic lean.

You always felt they were smarter than everybody they coached against. Andy Reed, it's creativity. And Mike Tomlin, it's a presence. Mike's got a presence. It's why he's one of the few NFL coaches, I think, could coach at the college football level. He'd walk into, he'd be a great recruiter. But everybody in the NFL, even Belichick has losing streaks. what do you go to in the losing streak?

What do you lean on in the losing streak? Where players find you believable. They know you're better at it than anybody else. And there's a certain presence and believability with Mike Tomlin. And I think I really noticed it when Ben Rothersberger didn't play. So he's 18 and 15 without Big Ben. And that is something. Kyle Shanahan cannot win football games without Jimmy Garoppolo.

How was Belichick without Brady? He is 18 and 15 without Big Ben. He has a winning record with Mason Rudolph and Landry Jones and Dennis Dixon. And a couple of years ago, you had a lot of drama and Big Ben's not playing well. Andy's aging and they can't run and the wheels are coming off. And Mike Tomlin is the Dutch. tape. Listen, this league is hard. Pete Carroll's been fired twice, and he's going to be a Hall of Famer. Tom Coughlin, his last four years, couldn't win any games with a Hall of Fame

quarterback, Eli Mann. It's a hard league to win. And when you go to those losing streaks, you can lose games. You can't lose a locker room. Tomlin never loses a locker room. Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, never lose a locker room. You've got to have something about you. And players respect Tomlin. He's an alpha. He's got a presence. He believes in himself.

And you can just feel it at the podium. He is blunt. He is brutal. He is honest. He holds himself accountable. And that believability, that bluntness, that presence is why he's eight. and 15 without a Hall of Fame quarterback. Tom Coughlin could not win games.

And he's going to the Hall of Fame. Sean Payton, once they paid Drew Brees too much, had losing records. Big Ben's not taking a lot of pay cuts. Mike Tomlin's never had a losing record. Joey Taylor with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the dolphins already traded first round picks twice this offseason.

They are manipulating it. three to 12 and then back from 12 to 6. And they could make a third move before the draft next week. According to Ian Rappaport, Miami has fielded calls from teams looking to acquire the six pick and is considering a move back down. I don't know what that tells me from the Dolphins perspective because they do need an offensive line. And you would like to see them add another skill player.

I got to tell you something, though, is that six is a weird. spot for them. So they don't need a quarterback. They're not going to do that. Right. And what they could use is offensive line. They may be looking at Elijah Vera Tucker for USC. And if you look at all the mock drafts and the people I've talked

to, he's going to get drafted somewhere 11 to 15. And so if Miami goes, all right Denver, we'll go down to 9. Denver, you don't have to go up to 4. We'll just give us one first round pick because they already rated the Texans. Right. So they've done so

well joy in this draft. Now they don't have to be as greedy. They go to Denver and say, hey, instead of going to, you know, if the Atlanta doesn't draft a quarterback, you could have Fields and Trey Lance. You know the Bengals aren't taking one. You just come up to us at six. So who they trade with to me is the question. I think it's Denver.

If it's not Denver, though, because there's been some talks about possibly the Patriots or the Bears, like you do, if you're Miami, you do. You need a high-level offensive lineman, and I would say you also need to add a skill position. You need another wide receiver. So how far back are you moving in the draft? If it's the Broncos, I feel like you can still get one of those top three offensive linemen at 9. At 15, I don't know what space you're in for that. That's quite a bit to move.

Your concern is, I think the Chargers draft like 14, don't they? 13. Okay, so the Chargers, if Elijah Verituck is available, they're going to take him or J.C. Horn, because they need a corner and a left tackle, and those will be the two best on the board. I mean, that's what you'd figure the chargers would take. They would take the best corner available if Patrick Certains's gone or the best O line, and Slater and Penae Sue are gone.

So for Miami, it's what Jimmy Johnson talked about yesterday. They don't have to be as greedy down. They've already done great getting picks. And they just go and say, we'll just move two back because what we need, Elijah. They can get there. They can get there. So, you know, we always think when you move out of a pick, it's okay to move back just one spot or two.

You don't have to, especially the way the dolphins have accumulated picks. Yeah, because they don't need that many picks. So that's the only thing that concerns me. I'm like, don't move back too far. You don't need that many picks. And what you need, they do have at the top level of the draft in the offensive linemen and a wide receiver. Right.

So, yeah, Broncos make sense. Anything further down in the draft to me seems a little risky. So there's very high expectations, obviously, for Trevor Lawrence, as he prepares to start his NFL career and as soon as the draft happens, we will all submit our comps, which I'm sure will be very reasonable. His college coach Davoswini

thinks Lawrence can be a transformational star in the league and he had a very interesting comparison to an NBA player. If you watch Steph Curry shoot the ball, it's just like, you just go, wow. Just to sit there and watch this guy shoot a basketball, well, that's how you feel when you watch Trevor throw a football. When you get to see him live

and you get to see him move, you just go, wow. I mean, it's just different. He's a face of a franchise guy. He also talked about how he feels like he can be one of those players that transcends the sport, you know, and he didn't say OBJ, but like, you know, someone who's an international superstar. And to me, that's what OBJ was a few years ago.

I don't know that he's in that space now. I don't know if he doesn't feel like he'd want to be that. Well, no, but sometimes this doesn't really matter what you want. you want. Like if you become that level of star, which I think will have to be a significant amount of winning, because obviously Jacksonville is not a huge market. And while I don't think you have to be in a huge market to become a star or a superstar, got to win games, though. I think you have to be like, if you look at LeBron, right, LeBron is in Cleveland, still managed to become a international superstar because he was that great. If you didn't end up having the career that he

had, I don't know that he would be the star he is because where you are does kind of matter. Jacksonville isn't a massive international brand, despite that they play a lot of games nationally. You know, so I'm not saying that's not what Trevor's going to be, but to the point of transcending the sport, he does have the look, he's got the sunshine hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a star already from the years that we've seen him play in college

at the highest level. So he does have the potential to do that. So the Carson Wentz era with the Eagles came to an abrupt end this off season when he was traded to the Colts, and there's been a lot of talk about who should take the blame for that relationship falling apart, and Peter King thinks most of it should be on Carson Went.

I probably blame Carson Wentz more for the Carson Wentz thing than I blame the Eagles. I'm honestly mind boggled at the reaction of Carson Wentz. This is the Big Boy League. You've got to understand that the best part of ability is availability. And if you're not there, you might not be there. That team has to buy insurance for if you're not there. Yeah, I disagree with that take. I would go 50-50.

I do think a lot of the blame is on Carson Wentz because I don't know what Carson Wentz went through with the Eagles that was so unprecedented. And I think that that's Peter King's point. Now, he did talk about what happened with Tom Brady and then bringing in Jimmy Garoppolo and how did Brady respond. He went on and did quite a bit of winning

since they brought Jimmy Garoppolo to the Patriots. But Tom Brady also moved Jimmy Garoppolo out. It's not like he just beat him in fair competition. Like he was better, obviously, than Jimmy Groplo. But he also played a role in him leaving New England. Carson Wentz didn't have that power to, you know, say, I don't want Jalen Hertz here. But to Peter's point, you're not available. You are not reliable physically.

He's a reckless player. You can't necessarily blame the Eagles for drafting what they planned on being a high-level backup quarterback. Yeah, but they drafted, they've increasingly drafted poorly. I think that's the thing. They've had to go pay money to get a day. area Slake and wide receivers because they butchered so many drafts. So I think. Yeah, but his issue was not that they were drafting poorly.

He doesn't have the power to say anything about that. His issue was Jalen Hertz. I just think he fell apart mentally. Like it was just too much everything that was happening, him not being available and Jalen Hertz and then, you know, the dysfunction within the organization that we know played a role in all of this falling apart. I think it's, I do put some blame on Carson. I'm 6535, 35, Eagles.

You're 50-50. Peter's probably 80, 20, 20. Wentz. So by the way, we'll have an answer by November. Yep. We'll know where it's at? Well, I mean, look, I don't know that I don't have high expectations for the Eagles at all. And I don't know that him, that Carson Wentz going to

the Colts is like their success is going to be unnecessarily on Carson Wentz. They were pretty successful last year and have a much better culture. So I don't know that apples to apples, that's comparable. But I think that when you are in a situation, to Peter's point, like this is a big boy league, you know what comes with it. That doesn't necessarily

mean everyone's going to handle it the same way. You know, there's stuff that goes on in our business. Some people can handle it. Some people can't. That doesn't necessarily make you a good or bad person. It's just a lot to deal with. And sometimes you weren't prepared for that. But that doesn't mean that you didn't have to handle it in the moment.

Eagles have a little bit of an Enron feel to me. We were captivated for a couple years with them. And then you find out what happened behind closed doors. And a lot of it was a con. And like when I hear the owners ripping the coach every Tuesday, it was absurd. I'm like, I mean, remember Enron that the business, smartest guys in the room.

and all of a set, I mean, for like multiple years, it was like the hottest stock. And then you find out it was a complete con. Like, I don't even look at Philadelphia today, like I did three years ago. I thought they were an elite five, top five franchise in the, in like the building, executive suite. Yeah, all we can hear about was how, like, how we can win the fun way. And all of a sudden now I'm like, it's just a con. It's ridiculous. I do not have high expectations for the Eagles this year.

Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. Heard lie news. A friend Michael Vick, 13 years in the NFL, a pro bowler four times. He is joining us now live as the NFL drafts a little more than a week away. All right. So you were a number one overall pick 20 years ago.

So Trevor Lawrence is going through that. So if you can, what were you doing a week before the NFL draft 20 years ago being the number one pick? Just take me to your life. What was it like? Colin, I was house hunting in San Diego a week before the draft and really distraught because I found out how much money I was going to have to spend and how a little of space I was going to really be able to have. So I was kind of battling that, but at the same time, feeling very fortunate that I had the finances that if I needed to take it up another notch, I could, you know, depending on what was in the budget. So I was planning on going to San Diego at that time, house hunting. and, you know, super ready to get comfortable.

Were you anxious? Was it fun? Did you feel pressure? Or were you just like, I'm going to go house hunting and have a good time? Or did you feel a little, man, this is a lot? Yeah, I felt like it was overwhelming. It was a lot, you know, leaving college and, you know, the life that you get accustomed to. And now this is work 100%.

There's no cutting corners. Like, this is going to be the cornerstone and foundation of my life. for at least 12 hours a day for the next 15 years, I'm hoping. And, you know, I vowed to make that, you know, come to life. And it was more about the dedication and the time and everything that come along with being the number one pick that I was ready to deal with sooner than later. So once you were the number one pick, the next 48 hours, you're in New York. The media is everywhere. Is it, I mean, do you remember a lot of it or is it just a blur?

You know, Colin, the only thing I really remember was the night before the draft sitting in the wrong with family and friends to getting a call from my agent saying that I might be getting traded to Atlanta. You know, instantly, I started thinking about my finances again. My family flying out to San Diego and having to spend money on all these tickets. My mom's going to be in the stands every week. You know, family and friends. So I'm like, this is different route, cheaper flight. You know, I'm thinking about finances first.

You know, I'm thinking backwards. And then initially, Dan Reeves, and this was the coach that I grew up, uh, sort of idolizing, but fairly, I thought he was really hard on John Elway. And as a kid, watching the Denver Broncos in the late 80s, early 90s, I'm like, I do not want that guy coaching me. And, uh, I get the call the night before the draft. And I'm like, who's the head coach? I'm like, Dan Reeves.

I'm like, je. But I'll take it. You know, I'll take it for all the right reasons. And, you know, I grew to love, Dan, and I'm glad he selected me. And, you know, it turned out to be in everybody's favor for all the reasons. So it's really interesting. I've been critical of Matt Ryan over the years. I don't think, I think his arm is weakened.

And I think he needs to be surrounded with more talent. But I do think Atlanta, because of what they have to pay him, I think they should keep Matt Ryan and get Kyle Pitts. Secondly, if I can't get Kyle, which they will, I would probably go get draft picks. But I would not draft a quarterback. And I say that. I love Justin Fields and I love Trey Lance, but I don't think they need a quarterback. Your thoughts today in a franchise, you love and know the Atlanta Falcons. What would you do today?

Matt Ryan's 35, but they got a lot of money guaranteed for two years. They could use a lot of help defensively. what would you do? Honestly, I grab one of these young quarterbacks in the draft. And, you know, obviously Matt Ryan has some football left in him and he has to be surrounded by the right guys. I think to succeed, you know, at this point in his life, why not get one of these young elite quarterbacks coming up in this draft?

Let him sit for a year two. Let him hear the conversations. Let them see how Matt work. Matt is the ultimate and consummate pro. And you're just not going to get that anywhere. the guys have to come into situations where there is no veteran. You don't have a chance to sit and you have to play. And I think that's a luxury. The city of Atlanta, they watch me run around for years. They watch Matt work the pocket efficiently for years and did a wonderful job at it. And then they

get one of these, they can get one of these guys who are super mobile and, you know, just super good. And, you know, they get the best of both worlds, run and pass because I do think all these guys in the draft are sort of equal, you know, when you look at them as far as talent. Yeah. So you're winning on all the course, and I think this could be a game-changing, you know, pick for the future. So Justin Fields has taken a lot of the criticism. The rest of these quarterbacks, we all, everybody loves Trey Lance,

everybody loves Trevor, and Zach Wilson. Me, he's been number two for the Jets for like two months. We barely seen him play. And then there's Justin Fields. and you watched him play in college at Ohio State. You know, people say he's inconsistent. He played at Ohio State. He had great players around him.

When you look at Justin Fields, what do you see? Anything you see concerned here? You know, I like him. I tried to catch Justin as much as I could last year, but couldn't find him on the tube for all of, you know, all the right reasons. And, you know, obviously it was COVID, and they didn't play games that was nationally televised at times. But from what I did see, you know, I thought he was consistent. You know, I thought he threw the ball well. I thought he threw it strong. But I wanted to see more of, you know, what he could

provide as far as his elusiness. And I was happy to see that he ran a good 40 time at the combat because he showed that he can run the ball. I think that, you know, in order to survive in this league, moving forward, you got to take a look at what's going on around the league. And he has to bring those physical attributes out, you know, being able to pull it down and run, you know, take off when he'd be. And then he'll be a special asset, you know, for the team to drafts him. But I like what I see. I know the potential is there. He just got to unlock it. So Mike Tomlin is signing an extension. And I was saying all great coaches have something they can lean on. And, you know, Pete Carroll, it's his energy. Belichick, it's his brain. Andy Reed,

it's his creativity. And I said, with Tomlin, it's his presence. He is blunt. He is honest and when the quarterback gets hurt, Big Ben, you just, he's got a presence. You believe in him. And you were there for a couple years. Give me behind the scenes what Tomlin is like at practice. Because you've had totally different guys. You've gone country Dan Reeves and creative Andy Reed and big presence, Mike Tomlin. What did you like about him? When I got to Pittsburgh and had a chance to work with Mike T. The thing that stands out is that He was just so direct. And he was a guy that really wanted a perfection.

And he had his way of going about getting that perfection out of the players. And, you know, he was very stern and fair. But whatever he asked you to do, he expected you to do it. And it was no shortcuts. I remember numerous situations where guys got called to the front. And including being at times. He didn't discriminate. You know, everybody could be put on blast any minute.

And I think guys tried to avoid that and they respected that. And, you know, that's just one thing. That's just building men. When you talk about football and the game that you love and the guy who understands it on both sides that can help educate you and get you to the promised land, everybody just kind of shut up and pay attention. And that's what we did.

And we had a good time doing it. It was I always tell people it was one of the best locker rooms that I've been in, no disrespect to all the teammates that I love dearly through all my years. But, you know, just from the locker on upstairs, man, it was a great environment to thrive in. Finally, Mike, I ask this to everybody I bring on the show that's played in the NFL. The draft is funny because of a third of these players, you get them in, they bust. They can't play.

And then sometimes you'll draft two linebackers in the seventh round guy is better than the second round guy. Go back to your career. You don't have to name a name in the guy that busted. But how many practices would it take, Michael, for you to watch a rookie and either say, guy can't play or guy's going to be great? Give me seven days. Give me a week. If you give me a week, I can, at any position, some I have to look more in depth than others,

mainly on the defensive side of the ball. But if you give me a week, I can tell you if this guy is going to have long job. every if he's going to be out of the league in a year or two. Wow. Or if he's not even going to make it through the training camp. But I always say this. It's a way to unlock a guy's potential. You know, it's just about the people that surrounded him

and the coach that he has in that room every day. So we don't have that type of time. We don't have the time to be trying to unlock potential. You got to come in and you got to just let it all go. In your 13 years, who was the best rookie you ever saw that immediately you knew, oh my Lord, he's a stud. Algae crumpler. Algy crumple.

And when I seen algae catch a pass, and mind you, I had some decent tight ends in college. They was part of the reason I thrived in the passing game. But when I seen algae catch and run, like his yards after the catch was immense. And he did it effortlessly. And I've seen that second level guys, linebackers could not run with them. And I'm like, he's going to evolution. the position or revolutionized the position. And I've seen that happen with Algae Crumple.

And now you've got guys like Kelsey and Kittle, you know, a little leaner looking like receivers, but still that tight-in prototype and just making the game even more fascinating. Yeah, Algae Crumpler was real good, real soon. Mike, it's great talking to you again. Appreciate it. Thanks. Appreciate you. By the way, of the many reasons Trevor Lawrence is a guaranteed can't miss.

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And so we'll bring him on the show at the top of the hour. speaking of Southern coaches, Davo Sweeney talked about Trevor Lawrence. And I've told the story before, I saw Trevor Lawrence down in San Diego, about a two-hour drive from here. It was a passing camp. It was all the best players in high school. And a couple of college guys, Josh Rosen was at UCLA. There was a couple of college guys. And they were all great.

I mean, they were all super talented. But Trevor was just different. He was sitting about 40 yards from the end zone, flicking it into the corner. one after another. He kind of looked the exact same. He looks a little heavier now, but he was real thin. He just looked different. And when you have a bunch of five-star quarterbacks

and one guy is just different, and everybody in the park can see it. I mean, I could figure it out. And Dabo Sweeney talking about how he is simply, even among Clemson players, and they've had Deshaun Watson, he's just different. If you watch Steph Curry shoot the ball, it's just like you just go, wow,

just to sit there and watch this guy shoot a basketball, Well, that's how you feel when you watch Trevor throw a football. When you get to see him live and you get to see him move, you just go, wow. I mean, it's just different. He's a face of a franchise guy. Well, what's interesting, and this is really true in the South where college football is the king, the quarterbacks are worshipped. And nobody's been more worship than Trevor Lawrence because he's been the number one pick for the last three years

the first time he stepped on the field. And the NFL is not like that. It is business. And just to give you an example that Trevor Lawrence, after his dad said, you know, he's not defined by football. And Trevor Lawrence said, I don't play with a chip on my shoulder. Trevor Lawrence, a day later, rushed to explain what he was saying. Now, why would he do that? He's going to be the number one pick.

Why did Trevor Lawrence, within 36 hours, rush to clarify his comments? Because it was bad for business. There's no way you want to sign a shoe deal because he's going to go on. losing streaks and people are going to say, well, I mean, you haven't played with a lot of urgency. You're already giving people a negative narrative to grab and hold on to if you struggle. And Mark Sanchez told me this Sunday night. I talked to Mark Sanchez and he said, you know, I played at USC, L.A. And then I went to the Jets.

And I thought, this is going to be an easy transition. Right? Like the L.A. press can be tough on you. If you lose, they'll call you out. And it's L.A. You got L.A. Times, talk radio, big stations, sportscasters, you know. and he goes, then you go to New York, and you're a pro. It's not the size of the city.

You're a pro. And they don't treat you the same. They go after you a little bit. You could say something to a writer when you're a college player, and then you know, and you're a pro player getting paid. And he goes, I made a couple of jokes. All of a sudden, you look at headlines in the New York Post. You're like, okay, I'm going to go to stock answers.

I got to pull back. It's totally different. Once you get paid, you get treated differently. The expectations go up. That's why Trevor Lawrence came and literally, I want to clarify my comments. It was bad for business. It's his first interception.

But one of the reasons he's going to succeed is his talent. That's a huge one. Urban Myers is another one. But this is also part of it. Jacksonville's perfect. If he would have said, you know, I'm not defined by football. And he got drafted by the Jets. You would have to clarify that a hundred times until the season started.

They would be all over you. and New York is not as forgiving. Jacksonville is a college market. So it's almost going to be like a second college career with a college coach. I remember spending a week in Jacksonville during the Super Bowl. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, the Super Bowl was not the lead story in the newspaper. The local newspaper talked about High School Football Recruiting Day. Jacksonville is a college market that has an NFL team.

And what does that mean? They're not going to pound on you. It's going to be a very forgiving college market with a pro team. Also, Jacksonville, now some small markets are tough on their athletes. Pittsburgh, because they have a great history. So they're going to be all over you. Juju Smith, he gets banged on every time he does social media stuff. But you don't have that either because they have no history.

I mean, in Green Bay, you play poorly. You can get called out because the expectations are high. So Jacksonville is a small college market. kit gloves. It has no history to speak of. What are the standards? It is literally the perfect place as long as you have a good coach. And what is Urban Meyer specialty? Developing young quarterbacks. Alex Smith, Tim Tebow, Duane Haskins. I mean, Justin Fields maybe early. I mean, this is, I guess Justin was gone. This is what? This is perfect. This is a perfect landing spot. If he just said that and had to get drafted by New York, it would chew him up for weeks.

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