The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/22/2021 - HOUR 3 - Buy, Sell, Hold

Episode Date: April 22, 2021

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I was just talking to Jonathan Vilma, who lives down in Miami during the commercial break. I'll bring them on in a second here. And we were to every few years ago to the Super Bowl. Miami is one of the great underrated food cities in the world. Because there's so much culture. there. So whenever I go to Miami for a Super Bowl, I call somebody that knows it, and I go to a different kind of restaurant, Cuban, Monday, Argentinian Tuesday. Miami is crazy. And the funny

thing about Miami, you think L.A. is a crazy town, Hollywood. Miami, L.A. goes to bed early. 11.30 p.m. Miami, I went to dinner in Miami. So I go to this restaurant. Somebody goes, it's great. It's great. I get there at seven, I think. I'm going to go a little late. nine nobody's there. Yeah, you're early. And I'm like, is this a bad restaurant? I'm leaving at 945. Old people, octogenarians, are piling in.

Miami doesn't go to dinner. Miami Beach, they don't go to dinner until 945. It's like Europe, though. It's exactly how Europe is. I've unfortunately never been to Miami. It is on my bucket list. First place I want to go once we can travel again. I'm a huge foodie.

I know. I want to go and I just want to experience everything. I told Joy, she's got to take me. Best Cuban food in America. Oh, God, it's fantastic. It gets a little hot in the summer. Jonathan Vilma, Fox Sports Analyst, 10 years in the NFL, a first round pick. Former Hurricane now joining us.

Three Super Bowl's, excuse me. Just loving Miami. I wish it was three Super Bowls. I would have taken that. Three Pro Bowls, one Super Bowl. So let's go back to when you got drafted. I remember your college career like it was yesterday. You were the lineback.

were you a week out? Did you have a sense where you were going to go, Jonathan? Were you anxious? Did you really you and your agent? Really had you mapped it out? Give me your experience a week out and the day. So a week out, I did have a good sense of where I was going to go. Got drafted by the Jets. Herm Edwards was the head coach at the time. And I remember that was the only visit. I took my visits up to the other teams. And every time I'd go up to these teams, they would ask me, you know, how much do you weigh? And then the very next question would always be, well, how much weight do you think you can put on? And that was my knock coming out. I was, I was light. So everyone was trying to beef me up. And the reason why I had a feeling the Jets were

going to draft me was because, you know, we're going through the questions, et cetera, and then inevitably the question comes up, Herm asked me. So, Wilma, how much do you weigh? And I was like, I weigh right now, you know, 233. He was like, well, how much did you play at? I said, I played at about 226, 227. And I was like, but I can hold this, as soon as I started saying, but I can hold this 233, he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no. I want you back down. Go back down. How much did you play at? I said, you know, 226, 27, sick, go, go, go, go back to 226, 227. That's where I want you at. I'm going to get you. Number 12, I'm coming for you. I don't want you to put on anyway, all right? So when you come over here, you better be at 226,

227, that's it. I want you to run, run, run. So I'm just sitting there like, okay, all right. That could work. And I called my agent afterwards on the way to the airport. He's like, how to go? I said, I think that the jets are going to get me if I'm there.

He's like, you sure? And I was like, yeah, and I didn't tell them everything what happened, but I say, you know, coaches don't talk like that unless they really, really want you. So I had a good feeling. Well, it's great because, and I love Herm. Herm wanted you to be you. And it's really interesting, Jonathan, we talk about all these quarterbacks and these players, and we try to guess how successful they'll be.

And I was saying earlier, what we should do is wait for them to get drafted. And if they go to a good staff, that tells me 75% of it. Like Herm knows defense. He's at Arizona State, not a shock. They play good defense. So go to your career with the Jets and Saints. how important once you land in college is your coaching? Do you give it 20% credit?

Because I think you start looking at these quarterbacks. If you get a bad first coach, I'm not sure you can recover. I give it minimum 50% credit of where you go and the staff and the coaching staff. I always said going into college, it was 50% the player and then developing the player. That's the mark of a really good college coach. Now it's transitioning and translating to the NFL because you're getting a lot of these players. They're stuck in these systems, especially the quarterbacks as we're talking about them. It's these systems that are not necessarily conducive for the NFL.

And I'm talking about the quarterbacks, they stand there, they do like a little fake zone read. And then they only look at half the field. And when you only look at half the field, that means you only know half the defense. You don't understand the full concept of a cover two or cover four or when I'd say two safeties high or four safeties dropping back, which would be two corners actually helping back in coverage as well. When you don't understand that, it now takes the NFL and those coaches to teach that. And so there's more teaching going on for these college quarterbacks or are coming into the NFL because they have to understand the coverages, the blitz schemes. Not only do they have to understand the offense, it's the deep. defense, that they have to understand, and the best teachers are the ones that are getting the most

out of these quarterbacks. And to your point, if you have a coach, and it doesn't have to be a defensive or offensive head coach, it's just that whoever is going to spend the most time with this quarterback, if you don't have a good teacher, then there's no chance for that quarterback to be successful. You know, it's interesting. Again, I want you to go back to your career on this, a decade in the NFL and a three-time pro bowler, is that a lot of our great athletes, The late Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, LeBron, Tom Brady. They've got this burning obsession, this chip on their shoulder. And it's, you know, Trevor Lawrence comes out, and his dad's like, yeah, he didn't have that.

He could give up football. He's happy. And it's a little alarming for a lot of people. Go back to your career. Were most of the great players chip on their shoulder guys, or were there some guys that were good families, balanced kid, They didn't have to resent somebody to be good at what they were good at. Yeah, there were, I can't remember too many players that I played with that were just freaking awesome

that didn't have a chip on their shoulder. But at the same time, when you look at Trevor Lawrence, he's got all the physical skills. He's had it since he was 10 years old. He's clearly very smart, can throw, went to the best school. he's been the number one person player since, again, he was 10 years old. So there was never a time where he was slided for his size like I was, or he was, or like Drew Breeze was slided for his size and when he blew out his shoulder and they said he'd never come back again. There was never a time, at least from what I can see from the outside looking in, where there was serious

adversity that Trevor Lawrence had to face in order to shape him as a man in his career. And with that being said, I don't want to intertwine the two because he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder doesn't mean that he's not driven. Those two were trying to marry the two because we've seen the Michael Jorrens and the Tom Brady's of the world. But the reality is you can be extremely, extremely competitive and hard on yourself without having a chip on your shoulder. He doesn't need to be reminded of that one coach who said, okay, you're not going to be good. when there's a thousand other coaches that said you're the best quarterback in college football, right? It doesn't translate for him, but he can still be super competitive, work very hard.

And I've seen that just in his performance. He had a tremendous freshman year. Then he comes back. All of a sudden, he was struggling a little bit, sophomore year. Then there were the corrections. And the corrections came because he wanted to be better. He's a competitor, and he wanted to be as best as he could. The corrections didn't come because he said, oh, everyone's talking badly about me and I'm not playing.

well, so now I'm going to show everyone. He said, you know what, I need to improve, and I know I need to improve because I want to be as good as I can possibly be. So those two are separate for me. A chip on your shoulder and being Uber competitive and wanting to be the most successful, you can have those two separately. He doesn't have the chip, but he can still be very, very, very competitive, very skilled, very good, and can still win you a lot of games. So you played four years in the Mecca, New York, that media. Then you went to a small market six years in New Orleans. The Jets have not had success. with quarterbacks. Donald's now leaving. Zach Wilson will come in. Zach Wilson's a small-town guy.

So you played college at a big city, Miami, intense. Then you go to an intense NFL environment. Then you go to the more, you know, I mean, the Saints, it's a smaller market. It's a little more supportive in the media. Tell me about what Zach Wilson is going to face with the New York media. And you're a pretty smart dude, sophisticated dude. But when you go to New York, it's funny, Mark Sanchez told me the other day, he goes, I played at USC. So I went L.A. to New York. I thought I knew everything. takes you about four press conferences to realize one little comment ends up on the cover of the New York Post and suddenly you start giving stock answers. What is he in for with the New York media?

He is in for, man, you talk about, I'll say the media in New York in New York, I would say 80% of them, 90% of the media and national, has, good intentions. I would say it's a 10% that you're never prepared for in college and there's no college program that can never get you prepared for it. They have their own agenda. Yeah. And it doesn't matter what he says, how he says it, they're going to twist it up because they have their own agenda. Why? For whatever reason, that's how they want to do their business and sell newspapers. So going back to your point about Herm Edwards and what you loved about him and just be, he let the players just be them. This is what Zach Wilson's going to need to do. He's going to need

to realize, okay, I'm going to give stock answers because that's what it's generic, it's easy. If I ever give an answer of opinion and they take it out of context or whatever it is, so what? That's just me. That's my opinion. I've got to move on because I have football games to win. I have

things much more important than the media to worry about than what did I say and then, you know, coming back to what I said and I didn't mean it like this and it was taken out of context. It's like, just forget all that, man. Move on. You got to win football games.

Because at the end of the day, if you bring the New York Jets and that football fan base a Super Bowl, they will love you forever. Ask Joe Namib. They will love you forever. You can go drunk on ESPN Monday night and they'll still love you forever for winning a Super Bowl. So trust me, worry about that. Keep the main thing, the main thing, and he'll be okay. Yeah.

Where were you on draft night? Where did you sit? Were you at home with your fam? Yeah, we went to Dave and Busters. I ran out a little event space at Dave and Busters, just playing pool. It was actually really, really just low-key because kind of like Trevor Lawrence, I didn't necessarily have a chip on my shoulder or anything like that. I just wanted to be the best.

I know that everyone was knocking me for my size, and I was like, well, it is what it is. I can't grow three more inches and I can't put on 15 more pounds. So, you know, either you draft me or you don't. So, you know, we just went. And fortunately, as I mentioned, I gave the Herm Edwards story. It came to fruition. Herm Edwards did call me and he was like, see, I told you. I told you I was going to get you.

I told you. I was like, I appreciate it. Yeah, 12th pick. Overall, first rounder 12 pick, Jonathan Vilma Fox Sports. Good seeing you, bud. Likewise, Colin. Take care. All right, John.

It is interesting about that. I was talking to Ray Lewis. So you think of Ray Lewis, you think all-time linebacker great player. But when you meet Ray Lewis, first of all, he just thick. But he's shorter. And you wouldn't think, you know, Ray Lewis is great, right? Ray Lewis was like the last scholarship given at Miami. So he wanted to go, I think if I recall, he wanted to go to Florida State.

He was a Seminole fan and they didn't give an offer. So he was like, oh, okay. But they played him. And so then he goes to Miami and he's great. But it is remarkable how many of our great athletes, Russell Wilson had to transfer in college. Joe Burrell had to transfer. Jonathan Vilma, everybody's like, you're just too light. You're too small.

And he even said it there. You just start hearing that. You're like, all right, I'm going to prove it. It is. But I love that Herm Edwards said, no, just be what you are. We're hiring you to be fast, not knock people out. And that's the good coaching. The coaches get, like, this is what you are.

We're not going to try to make. It's what I've said about Ben Simmons of the Sixers. He's never going to be a great shooter. So let him be the best defensive guard in the league. Let him get 20 points, mostly at the rack. and let him be a great assist man. He's not going to be a great shooter. Magic was never a great jump shooter.

Just play to his strengths. If I was the best defensive point guard ever at 6'10 and could get the ball to shooters, that's going to get Hall of Fame votes. If Ben Simmons plays for 12 years and is the best defensive guard for 10, he'll probably end up in the Hall of Fame. And he can't shoot in a Shooter's League.

Just let players be what they are instead of trying to reinvent them all the time. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.

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That is the point of the show. I'm just going to remind you. I have watched some Survivor. I obviously haven't watched enough. Did people not like it? Like what was just because we? Yeah. We'll be recapping the big conclusion at the 50th.

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each night leading up to the game and gave a powerful pregame speech in the locker room. And Chris Godwin revealed more details about what Brady said to everyone before the big game. He said he gives us epic speech and I think it hit a lot harder because he didn't give any pregame speeches throughout the year. So that tells you how big the moment. moment is. He was like, this is something that your grandkids are going to be able to remember and be taught. He's just so passionate. He's been to 10 Super Bowls and he's still just as fired up and we're like, we got a roll. Our time is now. And it was. It was. It's the Tom Brady effect. We've talked about it almost every single time he's hit a Super Bowl. He elevates people

around him. He elevates. And he picks his spots. By the way, he doesn't give speeches all year. Like he said, just before the Super Bowl. Yeah. That team is so talented. Insane. they don't have any they're literally one they maybe they're the only NFL team to me the only one that is just drafting for depth boy that is a luxury when you are drafting for basically i mean seriously how many people could you draft at their draft spot yeah i don't think they could draft a starter i don't they can't now if they had if they had the number a top four pick they could but even if they had a top four pick jemar chase where do you play him i mean about that. Where would you play? Now, Kyle Pitts would start, but again, then you'd have to trade

O.J. Howard. I mean, they are so deep everywhere. Oh, yeah. They're the Super Bowl champs. They have Tom Brady, the best in the game, and they're going to be contenders for as long as they have Tom Brady, and no one wants to leave. Everyone wants to stay there and be with Tom. So, yeah, the Tom Brady effect. He makes you better. He makes you great. All right. Moving on. Kevin Durant has been out all week after he suffered a thigh contusion last Sunday. Now, he's only been back for a handful of games after recovering from a hamstring injury. But it doesn't look like Brooklyn will be without him for long. Steve Nashd, Katie is considered day to day and could return to the court as soon as this weekend. Now, you have to remember, Katie missed almost two months,

finally got him back, then he left. Hardin is now out indefinitely. Kyrie is back. And the big question is, can this team be healthy? Because the big three, Colin, they've only played seven games together. So I don't have it in front of me now. I'm interested to see who they'll match up with early because I do think Milwaukee and Philadelphia are tough spots for them. I don't think a team like Boston can expose some of their weaknesses. I just don't think the Celtics match up with them at all. But I think of Milwaukee, Philadelphia in the second round is problematic. I think they struggle stopping Andre Drummond. What are they going to do with Janus and Joel M. Bid? So it's size down low could give them trouble.

And Philadelphia between, they've got length everywhere. M.B. They've got length at point guard. Philadelphia, to me, is a rough matchup for them. Oh, yeah. Because they have length on the perimeter. They have length down low. They're going to force you to shoot lower percentage shots. They got guys who can match up a little with KD.

That would be interesting. And there's no way you're at your peak chemistry together with only seven games. So you're figuring it out in the playoffs, which never going to be easy. All right, moving on, Devontas Smith. Size has been a concern. as he prepares enter the NFL. He reportedly measured at six feet tall and weighed 166 pounds during his medical check. But one team that doesn't seem worried about these numbers is the dolphins.

Now, when asked about Smith's evaluation, General Manager Chris Greer said that Devonta has shown he can play at high level in the SEC and there are a lot of smaller players that have been really good in the NFL. We were just talking about this. You got to play to your strengths. He'll be good. The question is really last. He'll bulk up.

He just won the Heisman. I think if he's surrounded with the right team, the right trainers, the right nutritionists to kind of get him to a weight that's manageable in the NFL, he's going to be good. He's going to be great. Plus, this conversation right here, he's hearing all of these little comments. I think it's going to add a chip on his shoulder and he's going to want to prove people wrong and prove that he can do it and prove that he can last. Good stuff, Alex, for the news.

All right. stuff today. We have rolled through our show. We used to do this segment all the time. We only do it a couple times a year. It's called buy, sell, or hold. We're going to make some predictions on the number of people drafted, where they'll be drafted. I'll be your stockbroker. I'll tell you to buy, sell, or hold your thoughts and investments. No Bitcoin, though. That is coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories about what made these people love their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.

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Go to 1-800flowers.com. Enter the code, H-E-R-D. So the NFL draft starts a week from today. In best for last, we're going to play buy, sell, or hold. Alex is going to tee me up on some storylines. Here we go. Time to buy. Colin will decide if he'll buy it, sell, or hold.

All right, Colin, buy sell or hold. Five quarterbacks will be selected in the first eight overall picks. Five quarterbacks to be selected in the first eight overall picks. Well, seven of the top eight teams picking, seven of eight, you could argue would take a quarterback. Atlanta, I doubt, Miami, I doubt, but many believe in a year, they will be looking for a quarterback as well. Two quarterbacks, two plus quarterbacks, have been selected in the top 10 in six straight drafts. And I'd argue with NFL rule changes, the league has never been more quarterback dependent.

So I would say, by five quarterbacks will be selected in the first eight overall picks. All right, buy seller hold. Alabama wide receiver, Devante Smith falls out of the top 20. Three different times he could have weighed in. in this process. Measured weighed in. He declined all of them. His draft position, according to Fox Bet, is somewhere 11.5.

But you get into those teams like the Giants at 11 and the chargers around there, they need offensive line help. I'm going to say hold. I do think he has a chance to have a precipitous drop. I don't think there's a lot of teams that need wide receivers in that 11 through 18 spot. All right. By seller hold, there will be at least two more trades in the top 10. Well, the Atlanta Falcons are taking calls at number four, but according to various reports, they are driving a very hard bargain. We also have a draft with Kyle Pitts, who is many

believe the best player in the draft, and he'll be available at four. There were no trades last year in top 10 picks. First time that's happened in a while. And I don't think. think Denver, I don't think Denver is going to trade up because I think they like Trey Lance and Justin Fields. And I think when Atlanta doesn't get a quarterback, they can sit, be patient and get one of those two. So I'm going to sell that. Sell, sell, sell. I don't think there's going to be at least two more trades in the top 10. I think New England is the team that trades up into the top 10. Interesting. All right, buy seller hold. Quarterbacks will be selected in the first four picks of the draft.

All right. This never happened before. In the history of the draft, that's never happened. And Matt Ryan is such a dead cap hit to your salary cap this year, $65 million, $40 million next year, that they are so tied to his contract that if they got a quarterback, and let's say he's really talented like a Fields and Trey Lansing looks great in the preseason, just think of the nonsense, the media, the fan pushback, blowback you're going to have to deal with. So I say sell.

I don't think the Falcons pick a quarterback. All right, by seller-hold. Justin Fields will be drafted before Trey Lance. Well, it's interesting now. There's a report now. He has epilepsy. I don't think it's everything. But if a team like Denver could go either way, is that a difference maker?

He has also been the most picked on of all the quarterbacks. little nicks to his, you know, reputation. And Trey Lance, I believe, is a better fit for New England. Just because his personality, his ceiling, and the fact that of all the quarterbacks, he's the one that needs to sit for a year behind Cam Newton. So I think, hold. I'm not sure Justin Fields is getting drafted ahead of Trey Lance. All right, by Seller Hold.

Lines will draft a quarterback with the seventh. overall pack. Now, I've heard this, but Dan Campbell, he's a tough guy. I think he wants physical players. They're tied to Goff's contract. Like Matt Ryan, it's a bad cap hit for two years. This team needs so much. Gough is probably one of their most talented players today. When Kenny Ghaladay got purchased by the Giants, they could go and get a Jamar Chase. They need weapons for Goff. They also need a better O line. So, I mean, they could do this. But I mean, this franchise has needs at every unit. They have a quarterback.

So stop living through some pipe dream. You're going to get the next Dan Marino and get the quarterback you have some players. Buy seller hold. Micah Parsons will be the first defensive player drafted. There's not a lot of teams that need a linebacker. So if he fell to like 12 or 13, it's not because he can't play. Most of your teams in this draft need quarterbacks. They need offensive linemen.

And then you have Kyle Pitts and Jamar Chase who are just too good not to pick, even if you were okay at Tide-in and wide receiver. Now, the thing about Michael Parsons, he was a defensive event in high school, a little bit of a roamer, a wanderer, he can move around the field. But the truth of the matter is, if you start looking at what he did the last time he played as a sophomore, he had 109 tackles. So he's kind of one of these Isaiah Simmons out of Clemson. He's just a machine.

He's a productivity machine. And I think he also runs well. I just think some coach is going to fall in love with him and think he can make him a star. And I think he has star potential. So coaches like to talk themselves into players with that much talent. So I think he'll be the first defensive guy taking. Buy, bye, buy. By seller hold, the Patriots will draft a quarterback in the first round.

Well, Belichick has never drafted a quarterback. in the first round. But Cam Newton's got a one-year deal or not paying him anything. This is also an organization that is bereft of offensive talent. So I say, yes, bye, bye, buy, buy, buy. Buy seller hold, six or more quarterbacks will be drafted in the first round. I don't buy it. Kyle Trask at Florida throws a nice ball.

but I worry that Dan Mullen elevated him beyond what he is. Kellen Monde at Texas A&M feels like a second or third round guy. This, I mean, listen, I understand the quarterback thing. I look at the bottom of the first round. I guess Tampa could make the, you know, let's go. It's a bad quarterback draft. Brady's old. I could see Tampa may be doing it.

But when you have Tom Brady, and it just seems like to me at the end of the first round, there's some really nice defensive players. and Jason Light wants to draft somebody who's going to play and not just learn because they're going for it for Super Bowls. This is the position. I just don't see it. But if anybody did draft late first round Trask,

it would be Tampa Bay played 90 minutes up the road in Gainesville. Sell, sell, sell, sell. You know, it's funny about Micah Parsons. The more I think, Michael Parsons is really interesting. So, J.C. Horn, Dallas at 10, needs defense. and Dallas doesn't need linebacker, so I'm probably wrong on Micah Parsons. I'm probably wrong. Yeah, I mean, I said he's the first, first defensive player drafted.

I think he's going to be the second. I think J.C. Horn, is it too, as your stock broker, get back on the phone, get back on the phone, Micah Parsons' first defensive player drafted. Let's do a sell. I made a mistake as your stockbroker. I'm going to immediately sell the stock I just bought you. I was wrong on that. because I think J.C. Horn or Patrick Sertain, the corner is going to be the first player taken.

I mean, a lot of this is, Jimmy Johnson said of this week, you know, there was always this saying in the NFL drafts. You just draft the best player available. It's nonsense. I mean, if you have Jonathan Ogden was your left tackle and the best player available was Penae Soule, you wouldn't draft him. Nobody's going to draft a quarterback if you have, you know, if you've got Patrick Mahomes. And even if it was John Elway, you'd figure out something to get picks for it, but you wouldn't. draft it. So the reality of some of these guys, Dallas could take anything defensively. But there's only like three players that feel like they could be the first defensive player. Micah Parsons, Certain, the corner, and J.C. Horn. That is it. If you start looking at this draft, most of your good defensive players feel like mid-first round guys. So, but I think Mike is one of those guys that's so,

talented that there is a coach here lobbying for him that I can make this guy a pro bowl linebacker. He can do everything in our scheme. You can argue on Micah Parsons' behalf because of what the league's becoming, which is he can rush the passer. He's a – he can play defensive end in high school, linebacker. He's an enforcer. He's a hitter. You can talk – that's what Arizona talked himself into Isaiah Simmons, kind of positionless.

It's like he can rush the passer. He can make plays. Michael Parsons is a playmaker. And those guys – you can talk. your way. The league is becoming more and more of a playmaker league. It's got a little bit more NBA feel to it where it's more of a space league. Are you good in space? Can you run? Can you make stuff? It's not as position driven, I don't think, as it used to be. Grilling season is here. Go to butcherbox.com slash herd. If you sign up today, you get three pounds of chicken breast,

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Oh, I've done two of them. Three, it's fantastic. Okay. I hope it's the future. It is the future. It's freak me out. They are. They're kind of weird.

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