The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/23/2021 - HOUR 3 - David Shaw, Jason McIntyre

Episode Date: April 23, 2021

Former Stanford Head Football Coahc, David Shaw joins Colin to break down the NFL Draft. And Jason McIntyre leaves us with "Tomorrow's Headlines Today." Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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David Shaw, the Stanford head football coach. This is such an interesting time of the year. I said the other day, we should grade these kids after they get drafted so I know where they land. Because if they land in certain places, I think they're going to be great. So much of it is, you know, do you have an impatient owner or do you have a patient owner or do you to win now and like in Denver Vic Fangio may only last a year it is what do you tell your Stanford kids in the process do you think actually David it's harder to go high school to college or college to pro or they kind of similar it's it's where you land

college to pro is the is the more difficult transition I mean high school to college is difficult different place different circumstances but you throw in contracts you throw in the guys in your locker room. They're not two years older or three years old. Some of them are 10 years older, right? There's not that camaraderie in the locker room. There's not that coaching the staff outside of the coaching staff to make sure everything's going well. So you're thrown into a locker room with a lot of guys that are making a lot of money that maybe have different agendas than you do. And you're trying to step up your game with the

best athletes in the world and one of the most fast-paced six seconds you'll ever find at a time. So that jump up is significant. You know, you had one of the smartest quarterbacks we've seen Andrew. Luck and they're saying Mack Jones you know a four point GPA graduated in three years and I said earlier there's a lot of there's IQ there's EQ

Andrew Luck was smart but he didn't wag his intellect in front of you he was very relatable he wasn't condescending you at Stanford of course most of your guys coming in there are you're getting really the pick of the litter in you know terms of national smart recruits but I want you to talk about

they're smart there's football smart how do you view it as somebody who has such a high standard. You get almost all really, really smart guys, but is there certain players that are just football smart off the charts? Absolutely. And as usual, I agree with a lot of what you say on this subject. The combination of IQ and EQ is huge. Your relatability, it's not just being smart, but it's also being able to adjust. Things happen during the course of the game. You can't just memorize everything. You have to be able to change on the fly. You have to be able to adjust during the middle of a game in the middle

of a play sometimes. Hey, this is what we planned on doing, but now I can't sit on number one. I got to get back to number two and number three. And I might have to be in a different place that I didn't anticipate to get rid of this ball. So the IQ, the EQ, the adjustability, all those things play big parts and especially young quarterbacks being successful. You know, you develop players. And you've coached in the NFL, Baltimore, Philadelphia, the Ravens, the Eagles, the Raiders. We always think of college coaches. You guys are in the development business.

And in the NFL, we tend to as like media think, well, you're already refined. You don't need to develop. Just go make touchdowns and win games. And sometimes we forget a lot of these guys come from small schools where they didn't have David Shaw. They didn't have Urban Meyer. So when you were with your NFL teams,

are some NFL teams simply? not very good at development. That's just not what they do well. Yeah, it is an impatient world. And for me, the higher the draft pick, the less I want to hear the word development, right? Because you draft somebody high that has to develop as a football coach, usually somebody else is going to finish that development, right? So when you're picking early, you want a guy that's as ready to play as possible

because of your owner, because of the franchise, because there's a reason why you're picking because he's got a great skill set and you might have a need at that position, you want that guy to be as ready as possible. So development sometimes, it depends on where that person is in their arc and their preparation for this fast-paced game against some of the best athletes in the world. The development, it has to be sooner than later.

If it looks like a long development, most coaches will say, don't give me that guy because the clock is ticking on me anyway to whether I'm either going to get fired to get a contract extension. So give me the best player possible, who's also the most ready to play. Most mock drafts have eight quarterbacks going in the first two rounds. Davis Mills, yours, doesn't have a ton of reps at the college level,

but when you watch him, we've seen the film Brock Heward came on and said, listen, this guy spins it like anybody. So he's considered more prospect than right now Prodigy. Talk about him and what is his development. If I draft him in the second round, how many years does he need? And that's a great question. He's a great example what we're talking about early. He's got the IQ.

He's going to pick up anybody's system very quickly. He's got the EQ as well. He relates very well to the players. He's a great leader. He's got some subtle fire to him, which I think all of his teammates will tell you. In the biggest games, he played his best, and the tightest games he played his best, that UCLA game was unbelievable. Even though he made a couple mistakes, what he did to bring us back was just unbelievable. So when you've got talent, you've got the ability, you've got the production, and you've got the office.

the field things now. He may not be a household name right now just because we did start so late as a conference because he did only have 11 starts and only five this year. But when you put the film on just like you said and you compare him to the other guys, his best plays are right up there with everybody else. So if he did come back, there's thoughts that he could be the number one quarterback in America. He could be a top 10 pick. So now if you take a guy late in the first, early in a second that a year from now is a top 10 player in the draft, now you're really cooking. So that's why his name is starting to ballet around with a lot of different teams

and looking at if you've got a guy that maybe can start for a year and you can bring this guy in your system and train him, this is not just a backup. This is an NFL starter with all the tools, arm strength, accuracy, athleticism, and then his intellect that you could look for. I want to ask you

about a player that Stanford, you've seen him play and you've done very well recruiting offensive linemen. So Penae Sewell is the kind of highest-graded Pac-12 player. he's a mountain of a kid, but people say he's not physical. And during the commercial break, we talked about this, and I thought it was very educational.

I said, coach, everybody tells me he's big, but not physical. And your response was what? You know, a lot of it has to do with what they're asked to do. You don't see a lot of power schemes. You will see some, but not very many. It's inside zone. It's outside zone. So, as some people say, it's finesse, it's still physical.

When he's able to reach a guy that most people can't reach, that's athleticism, but then hold that reach. and allow the running back to get outside of him. That's physical. So just looking at what he's asked to do and does he do it well. But then you see this guy's athletic ability, his size, the way that he can sit down a pass rusher. Don't appreciate you showing those Stanford highlights. You're going to show talking about today.

But you see he's got all of the tools. And as long as you see it, right, you see him locking up people for an entire down. And much like he watched and I'm not seeing he's going to Hall of Fame like a Jonathan Ogden, people talked about was Jonathan Ogden physical enough, and I would say find somebody that can beat him. That's the name of the game. Keep the quarterback clean, and we run the ball. Don't let your guy make the play, and that's what you see on his film. So it's interesting.

Richard Sherman, when he went to Stanford initially, I could be wrong. I think he almost was a wide receiver or something. And I would just tell my out, because half of this league, the NFL is undrafted, which is just a remarkable stat. So tell the story of Richard Sherman, who ended up being iconic. He'll be a Hall of Famer. He's still playing wildly respected. But he's the classic. Your staff saw him.

I don't even remember him. Was he a four-star recruit? Tell the story of Richard Sherman. Well, Richard came in as a receiver. And honestly, as a freshman, led the team in yards, led the team in yards per catch, and led the team in touchdown catches. And I came in the very next year. I was the offense coordinator of receivers coach.

So I coached him two years at the receiver position. And gosh, one year he averaged 16 and a half, almost 17 yards to catch, explosive, athletic. And he would constantly tell me, coach, I think I'm a defensive player. I have a defensive mentality. And then that next offseason after his last year at receiver, he said, coach, I just feel it. I know I'm a defensive player. Talk to coach Harbaugh. They had a conversation able to flip him over.

And now what you see now is kind of the. standard for corners in this generation. He's got length. He's got athleticism. He played a lot of receivers. So he recognizes route combinations. He understands receiver timing. And he's got the hands of a receiver.

But then also the mentality of a defensive player. So I like to say, too, that Richard Sherman has gotten a lot of long athletic corners drafted because everybody's looking for the next Richard Sherman. You don't have to run four or three. You know, you just have to be fast enough. But you have to be really, really smart. And you've got to be great at either making the ball. bounce or by intercept in the past. By the way, that is an amazing story. Richard Sherman,

how confident do you have to be that you're going to get drafted as an offensive player? And by the way, those guys are making all the money back then and say, no, no, no, I'm a defensive player. Boy, I don't know if I've ever heard that story before. That tells you a lot about Richard Sherman's kind of guile and intelligence. Well, he ended up at Stanford, so he's got to be pretty good. Have you ever had a player like him? Uh, never, never. And I love him like a member of my family. Um, every, and you'll ask anybody who's ever played with him, his heart is on his sleeve. His emotion is in his team. He gives you everything that he has. He earns respect. After two days of practicing with him, he has your

respect, not just on his ability and his playmaking, but on his desire to be great for his teammates. Two, two years ago, we went to the 49ers preseason practices. And he was coming before practice to work with the young guys and staying after to work with the young guys. And here's the guy who's going to the Hall of Fame. He's got a Super Bowl ring. He's got all kinds of money, whatever. But he still is a great teammate that helps his team. And there's just not enough of those guys around.

So he's a special, special person on the field and off. By the way, Trevor Lawrence and Andrew Luck in the last 10 to 15 years, the best quarterback talents I have seen out of college. Now, Andrew was a sturdier build. whereas Trevor's a little more whip to his arm, it looks like, a little bit. But they're both athletic, they're both smart kids, they're both good kids. Do you see any comparisons, or are they just two different great talents? Trevor's the closest to Andrew.

I'm with you that I've seen in the last, you know, however many years I've been doing this. The big difference is what you just mentioned. Trevor's faster. Andrew is thicker and sturdier. but when you watch the film they remind you of each other just because the calm, the comfort, the accuracy, the athleticism, the subtle pocket movement, the desire to bring a team back. I mean, how many times we watched Trevor Lawrence take a big shot and then come back and deliver a big shot or take off and make a big run like he did against Ohio State a year ago. This guy just makes plays in every single way that you can have a quarterback make plays. But he also does it in such a way that it doesn't look like it's superhuman.

it almost looks like it's easy, right? Well, those who say no football know that so many things this guy does, they're not easy, they're difficult, but it's so smooth, it's so natural. This guy is special, and I'm excited what he's able to do with the Jacksonville Jaguars and Urban Meyer. I think it's going to be really fun to watch. Coach, we were four and two last year, eight bowl appearances in 10 seasons. David Shaw will be on the NFL network.

Coach, you know I love talking to you. Thank you so much for stopping by our show on Friday. Always great to see you, Colin. All right, David Shaw, one of my favorites. favorites. You know, it's interesting. He says that about it. It looks easy. That's the first thing we noticed, all of us, you noticed about Justin Herbert. It's just so easy. It looked like he was playing Nerf ball with his cousins. I remember years ago sitting on a couch watching Michael Jordan play in the finals. And I don't remember who it was against because he was in a lot of them. And I remember thinking to myself, well, he's not the thickest guy. He didn't have the best jump shot. And a lot of guys are six, six. Everything with Michael. just was so easy, just to the hang time. And Kobe had a little bit of that. When people are great, you don't notice the mechanical excellence.

It's just, Justin Herbert, to me, it's just, you saw it in the first throws. He's just out there having fun and flinging it. He doesn't have to set up. He doesn't have to move it. Just the ball comes out. And there, he is what I would call just an easy thrower. And Trevor Lawrence, and just, you know, when you're gifted, like we called him the It's just some people in industries were born to sing,

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Just because I've watched Mike Trout from the moment he came in the league, another player. Just so naturally gifted. Can field, can hit. Everything. He's just having fun. By the way, he got hit on the elbow last night. He got taken out of the game. What's the latest?

We'll find out. It sounded bad on Twitter. I heard the sound of it. Yeah. I mean, it hit his pad. Yeah, luckily. But, yeah. You just hope.

You never want to see the best player in the game go down. All right. Well, the Browns had some turnover on defense losing five starters this offseason, but they filled some of those holds in free agency, most notably with the addition of Dedevian Clowny and Miles Garrett is very excited about how Cleveland's defense will look next season. He said, I think we can do a lot. I don't know what we're doing in the draft, but with the pieces we have now, I think will be very scary, so I'm looking forward to it. The secondary has made the secondary will be significantly better, and that was kind of. The linebacking core and the secondary

were weak. I mean, Cleveland, they were really bad on the back end. And the downside of that, of course, is when you look at the AFC with Mahomes and Josh Allen, is you can outplay a team. I mean, they got beat up by Derek Carr. They were a bad team on the back end. That's like having a bad bullpen in baseball.

You can outplay a team and leak runs late. You can't win. Yeah. So Cleveland is really dependent last year on their pass rush because if Garrett didn't play, they got no pressure. And they were bad. But I think the acquisition of John Johnson from the Rams was really almost as big as any acquisition in the NFL. He called plays, super smart, understands the game.

They're pretty young back there. He's like a grown-up. Like that to me, they have solved their safety issues. It's a big prove-it year for Cleveland. I mean, I think they shocked everyone when they won their first playoff game in 26 years last year. But now they're familiar, you know? It's second year. It's Baker's fifth year option got picked up.

I mean, a lot of them are playing for contracts. So prove it year for Cleveland. Well, moving on, the NFL is in full of young talent. But who is the best of the best? Pleacher Report put together a list of the top young stars under 25 years old. They factored in performance, potential, and the importance of the player's position. And they ranked Lamar Jackson at number one. Do you agree with this list?

I'd probably put Josh Allen. And Justin, I think Justin Herbert at six is low. I think Chase Young at seven is low. McCaffrey? Yeah, I mean, I, McCaffrey got hurt, though, a couple times last year. I would say, right now I'd put Josh Allen one, Justin Herbert 2, Chase Young 3, Lamar 4, D.K. Metcalfe. I mean, listen, they're all great. McCaffrey worries me.

Chase Young is too low at 7. He looks, he looks, to be honest, he's not. looks better than Khalil Mack. He looks like a stronger version of Khalil Mack. So I think he's Herbert and Himmerlo. There is so much talent under 25 when you look at that list. And you know what? Most of the kids, we put so much pressure on them.

Yeah. There's no bad kids. Like the quarterback's in this sport now. We heap money on them, fame on them. They're young. And they're just good kids. NFL's lucky. They don't have, I mean, the quarterback, I mean like Baker, I've given

crap to and I think he's lacked maturity. I don't think he's a bad guy. He plays along with you too. Yeah, I think he needed to grow up. But most of the kids under 25, you would have no reservation to build your franchise around and give him

$100 million or quality people. Yeah. Well, Justin Jefferson was a standout wide receiver in his rookie season and he was the fourth in the league with 1,400 receiving yards and seven touchdowns. Many mock drafts last year had him, going to the Eagles, but when they passed,

the Vikings jumped to get him at 22. And Jefferson is very happy with the way things turned out. He said a lot of people had me going to Philly. And I thought I was going to Philly. The funny part is, Philly was on the board, and the Minnesota called me. It's crazy how all of that happened. But I'm definitely, definitely, definitely excited

that I'm on the Vikings rather than Philly. Well, they've got a better coach and they've got a better culture. You know, if Minnesota wasn't in the division with Green Bay, we talk about them a lot more. But, I mean, it was about a year and a half ago, one of the better rosters in the league. Now, they lost guys to injuries and free agency, so Zimmer's going to rebuild the defense,

which they need to. They actually have unbelievable offensive talent. Their skill people are as good as anybody. But what happened to them last year, Mike Zimmer's a teacher. They were young on defense. He didn't have a preseason, and they were just lost in September.

They are the team in the NFL this year. you can put it down. They're the double your win total team. They'll absolutely be. I think their win totals around 8, 8, 8 and a half, bet the over. Bet the over on the Vikings. That's a 10-win team. I mean, that's a big burn for a team that was only three years removed from winning a Super Bowl.

That's hard to think about. Receivers, tight end, running back. Actually, their own line now is better than it was about three years ago. They've worked on that. And Kirk Cousins is fine. He's Derek Carr. You can win a lot of games with Kirk Cousins. You can win a lot of football.

They go 11 and 6th next year. Nobody is shocked. Nobody. Good stuff. All right. Alex for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations,

stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clivert Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or we're you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look

Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode, with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover, and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time.

You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a perimenopausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with Deanna Maria Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden, I'd had... hangingness happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that?

I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How can it be getting naked at 50 with the new guy? That one's kind of hard. Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try.

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Let's bring him on live. We both love the draft. We love it. Yes. So much fun. Hope, optimism, even for teams like the Jets. So much fun. All right, here we go.

You got to get in your dicks, don't you? You got to take shots at my Jets, of course. Here we go. Tomorrow's headlines today. Headline for the Cowboys in the draft. Yeah, well, we know Jerry Jones a bit of a gambler. The headline will be Pits joins Prescott and plenty of playmakers.

Jerry Jones trading up to get Cal Pitts. Now, Colin, this is awesome. So I'm talking with your producer last night about this. We know Jerry Jones is a risk taker. What happens today? What does Ian Rappaport of NFL Network say? All this talk about Jerry Jones. He's not trading up, I think.

But that's the chatter right now. We know Jerry Jones can't help himself. Like me, when the dessert tray comes around, you and Baker Mayfield, you know, the Kardashians and athletes, some people just can't help themselves. Jerry Jones loves offense. And Colin, I think we would agree if they are able to. to add Kyle Pitts to this offense. Instantly, that is the best group of playmakers in the NFL.

And Jerry knows our defense stinks. I think Dan Quinn's going to be a bit of an upgrade from Nolan, but we don't know. Let's just outscore everybody. Let's put Pitts, C.D. Lamb, Amari Cooper, Zeke, and let's just try to outscore everyone. Jerry Jones, the ultimate risk taker. I kind of like that. By the way, if Atlanta does take a quarterback and people are 50-50 split, Denver may move up if they're concerned. So you do get into a situation.

If somebody likes Jamar Chase as much as Kyle Pitts because receivers are more valued than tight ends, I could see him falling to six or seven. And that's when Jerry, who's got extra picks, can give you two or three picks to get him. For a lot of these teams like Carolina, that could be very enticing. There's a lot of rebuild teams in that 6, 7, 8, 9 spot. Tomorrow's headlines today. What's the headline for the Patriots in the draft?

So there was a Seinfeld episode where George Costanza did the opposite. I don't know if you remember that. He just flipped. Left was right. Up was down. The headline for the Patriots will be Lights, camera, Macon, Mac Jones, and Bill Belichick. Come on, Colin. This is picture perfect, of course.

Nick Sabin and Bill Belichick, very close. We know the relationship. They've done TV shows together. I really believe Mack Jones is the guy for the Patriots. They went out and they spent like, drunken sailors in free agency. Billichick never does this. He also never trades up.

But Colin, look what the moves were in free agency. Two tight ends. Two wide receivers. I know they like Cam Newton, but let's remember two shoulder surgeries in the last four years, this guy has fallen apart in the second half of seasons. The Patriots cannot go into this draft and not take a quarterback. And I think Mack Jones, who I'm not enamored with, I'll put that out there. But I think for the system and Belichick and McDaniels, this is a great fit.

Okay, but San Francisco is likely to take him. If they take somebody else, you've got a shot. Tomorrow's headlines today. Dave Gettelman and the Giants at the draft. How about the Giants? Interesting. They surprise everybody every year. There's a lot of talk about, oh, Giants and receiver.

The headline will be, giants defend their pick. Now, this is off board. Nobody's on this yet. Zavin Collins is the guy to watch. Lineback around at Tulsa. Yeah. Colin, this kid was a quarterback. in high school. Six foot two. He grew to six five. They put on weight. This guy's a defensive

machine. I'm telling you. Gettleman loves to go crazy at the draft. They've gone offense the last four years in the first round. This is a defensive, needy team right now. They cannot stop the run. They're looking at a pretty good Washington running attack, a Philadelphia running attack, and of course, Ezekiel Elliott. The Giants go defense. I think it's front seven. If you're into gambling on the draft, look at Zayvon Collins, first. linebacker taken. Yeah, by the way, he's going to get drafted in the first round. So people watching you think it's nuts. He and Micah Parsons are the two linebackers talked about in the top 15. All right, tomorrow's headlines today.

Headline for the Titans. That's going to be a little controversial, Colin. There's a lot of controversy surrounding this pick. The headline will be well worth the weight. Devontas Smith checking in at 166 pounds. Colin, we could do an hour on this guy, okay? I do want to remind people, Hollywood Brown came out of Oklahoma. He weighed 166 pounds. Nobody made a big deal because he was drafted in the 20s.

If you take Devontas Smith out of the top 10, where he should not go, you can't draft a guy that's a buck 66 in the top 10. I think falling to the Titans is a huge win. You look at their receiving core for Tanna Hill. Oh, do we have something cooking? They picked up Josh Reynolds from the Rams in free agency. I think Devontas Smith falling to Tennessee is a great move. He's not a number one, Colin.

Let's be clear. These small guys cannot be number ones. Can he be a two or a three? I think certainly so. This would be a home run pick for the Tennessee Titans. And it should be noted. We have a lot of weapons like Kyle Pitts and Jamar Chase and Jalen Waddle. So if he does fall, it wouldn't be a shock because most people believe those players are

naturally more gifted, bigger, stronger. tomorrow's headlines today, headline for the Pittsburgh Steelers in the draft. Well, I know you love Mike Tomlin and Big Ben, so I thought we'd get a Pittsburgh Steelers draft pick. The headline will be. Big Ben gets a Bama back. Give me Najee Harris of Alabama to Pittsburgh.

Colin, did you see what happened in Pittsburgh in the offseason? Dump their offensive coordinator. Dump their offensive line coach. Dead last in the league in rushing yards and yards per. carry. With Levi-on-Bel a few years ago, this is a diverse offense. They've got options. They were very limited last year. It's basically Big Ben drops back and throws 45 passes a game. They need a running back. I don't love running backs early, but Najee Harris is in the Levy on Bell mold, Colin, right? Catch passes out of the backfield, breaking tackles, tough runner. This is a need for

the Steelers. I know people will say we need an offensive lineman. Yes, but Najay Harris is a playmaker. You add him to that offense. And I think you can elongate big. Ben's career because remember a couple months ago we're talking about his big Ben retiring do the Steelers push him out. Nagee Harris is the pick here for Pittsburgh. By the way, we know the Jets are going to take Zach Wilson with the first pick. The Jets, though, Jets have two first round picks, right? Their second pick in the first is, what is it, 21 what? I think 23 from Seattle, 22 or 23 in that range. Interesting pick because they could get, they don't need a defensive lineman. That they went out, they went out and got like, was it Lawson?

Carl Lawson, yes, sir. So it's the one unit. their team they do not need. So I'm just going to pick your brain on this. So they take Zach Wilson early. They have the 23rd pick and then second pick up near the top in the second round. Gut feeling on the Jets, second pick and third pick late first, early second. It's funny you ask me this. So for Fox Sports, I did an ultimate Jets draft. Fox Sports.com. You guys can read it. My latest mock draft is out today. I have the Jets going with Caleb Fairley, the cornerback from Virginia Tech. Very talented player, but he did just have backs. Yes.

So he's kind of falling out boards, but the Jets' cornerbacks, Colin, they are really among the worst in the league. No disrespect. They're good players, but when you talk cornerbacks in the league, they can't guard anybody. And we know in Robert Salas system, he wants to rush four and drop back in a coverage like he did in San Fran. I think they go fairly in the first round with the 23rd pick. Top of the second.

Keep an eye on Terrence Marshall, wide receiver from LSU. The Jets need big receivers. I got a bunch of smirfs. Jameson Crowder's a slot guy. Kieland Cole Small. They picked up Corey Davis. They have Dinsel Mims last year. If they can get Terrence Marshall, who starred with Jamar Chase at LSU. Then you're giving Zach Wilson help because Colin, you watch Sam Darnold. And I know we talked about this multiple times. The Jets never gave him help. You need to get Zach Wilson playmakers on the outside so he doesn't go and struggle the way Sam Darnold did. Keep an eye on Terrence Marshall from LSU early second round. for the Jets. No offensive lineman in those first three picks. Well, listen, they both bolstered the offensive line last year. They got Mackay Beckton. Yeah.

And then in free agency this year, they added like a number six guy, kind of a rotating offensive lineman in reserve. Their offensive line needs to be better than it was last year. They were a lot of young guys, a lot of new pieces. I don't think they reached for an offensive lineman early. Colin, they can't score. They have no offense. They have no skill position players.

Levy on Bell was a disaster. and Denzel Mums was hurt. Corey Davis, by the way, I don't want to disappoint Jets fans. I know they got him from Tennessee. Colin, the guys missed like 15 games in the last three years. I know. Okay, these injuries, you can't have your number one or two guy go down

and have no options. I think they need to go receiver for Zach Wilson. Yeah, Corey Davis is, by the way, he's super talented. I don't like Kenny Ghaladay or Corey Davis. They're both good. But when you spend a lot of money and you ask them to be ones, it's a lot of pressure in New York City. Galladay is an insane talent. But, you know, I could see him going to New York and we expect him

to have 100 catches and he's more of a 65-7 touchdown guy with Daniel Jones, who can be spotty as a quarterback who doesn't have a lot of time to throw. So those wide receiver free agent guys, it's dicey. There's a lot of overwhelming performances and overwhelming contracts historically. Jason McIntyre. Good seeing you, buddy. All right, pal. Yeah, and by the way, I love Kenny Gall. I think he's great. But you start paying a guy a ton. now you're number one. You give him a young quarterback. Daniel Jones' old line isn't great.

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