The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 04/27/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: April 27, 2021

As we approach the NFL draft Colin looks at the top quarterback prospects and why teams in the NFL have a much different view on players when compared to the NBA. He points out the biggest difference between Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers and why Brady has had more success in the NFL. He also defends Lamar Jackson from the ridiculous criticism he receives despite his success in the league. Plus, former OL Geoff Schwartz joins the show in studio to breakdown the top lineman prospects and has serious questions about the 49ers taking Mac Jones at 3rd overall.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah, here we go on a Tuesday. As a draft starts in two days, it's Tuesday. Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Iheart radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. A lot of stuff out there. You know, it's funny, Joy Taylor joining me. A lot of people talking about, you know, some of this draft talking.

It's just endless, endless, endless. Yes, but what it is is hope, which is great for fans. Baseball, bottom third of the league has no hope. NBA, bottom third of the league, no hope. But the NFL does better than any league. Jacksonville gets Urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence. Wouldn't be shocked if they made the playoffs in that wacky division. Selling hope is really important.

I think it matters for presidents. Yeah, I was supposed to say. What do politics do? They sell hope or fear. That's right. Equally as powerful. So whereas in the other sports, I mean, it just understood baseball didn't have a salary cap.

So the bottom eight, nine teams, I love my Mariners, but they're not winning the World Series, right? You know that. And that hurts the sport. Bottom NBA, if you don't have good enough players, Washington, you just don't have no chance to win the championship. So the draft really is symbolic of the future. And in the NFL, we know that you can get, you can go from bad to good, fast.

where you're from was one and 15. They bring Parcells to be the GM. I think they were 11 and 5 the next year. It's just very hard to do that in other sports. I want to start with this. It does look like Mack Jones. Going to go number three to the San Francisco 49ers. And we all admit,

kind of a low ceiling. And start a lot of games in college. Oh, no. But it's interesting about the ceiling discussion. And that's what I want to talk about here. in the NBA, it's always been understood. You really are going to draft ceiling guy, huge ceiling.

Not ready to play now. Kobe Bryant, Joel M. The bottom line is, we all know that the team's drafting at the top of the NBA draft in most years. They're not going to win for years. It's understood. I mean, good God, how long did the Philadelphia people get with a process?

Like seven years? It wasn't until the end. they got fired. It's understood. M. Beds the next shack. He can't play for two years. Kobe's the next Jordan. He can't play. It's understood. Jerry West is like, I get it. That's understood. Coaches understand it. GMs understand it. You get a longer runway on the rebuild. And the NFL, it's different. The NFL is different. You draft who can help me now. If you do take a guy who's not going to play for two years, Green Bay Jordan Love, they're Still getting crap for it.

Last year, the 25 first draft picks in the NFL all played significant time. One team two years ago said, we're going to go with the ceiling guy. Green Bay is still getting. The quarterback was mad. The fans were mad. The media crushed him in the NFL. And why is this? Because in the NFL, a coach and sometimes a GM, you don't get a four-year rebuild.

You don't get a three-year rebuild. Right now, John Gruden has the longest runway in the United. NFL for a rebuild. He's got the longest runway. His teams have gotten better every year. We understand he plays in the division with like Andy Reed. And he won a Super Bowl? And he's still getting crap.

As a lot of people, myself included, we're about ready to go off it. And he's gotten better every year. And he's got a Super Bowl. But in the NBA, it's different. You can be fired two times as a head coach, sometimes three. and not only get a job, get a great job. I mean, Frank Vogel couldn't win at the highest level in the Eastern Conference with the Pacers, and then he goes to Orlando.

It's a mess. He not only gets a job, he gets the LeBron-Laker job. That's a great job. That's the best job in the market. And I love Vogel, but in the NFL, also, Mike Dan Tony, good God, folks. How many times does that not work? He literally doesn't like Biggs or defense? Now he's got the best assistant job in the league.

And if Steve Nash doesn't work, he'll get that job too. Tibbs. Tibbs not only lost, but he was starting to get a narrative like he burns everybody out. He's a retread. I mean, when he got hired, Joy and I were like, what? He got the most valuable franchise in the league job, the Knicks. That's harder to do in the NFL and coaches know it. I mean, in the NFL, as a GM or a coach, if you don't win in your first job, and it's

kind of ugly. Ryan Grigsden, GM of the Colts, you don't get interviewed for a GM job again. If Ryan Pace in Chicago gets booted after drafting Trubisky, it's over. He'll never be a GM again. Like if you

bomb as a coach, like Freddie Kitchens, it's over, it's done. In the NBA, you get more chances. So in the NFL, what does that mean? There's fear. These are great jobs. You can make like $10 million a It's fear that I got to win now.

The fear is so palpable and so real in the NFL, and this is why I think Mack Jones is going to get drafted by Kyle Shanahan. Think about Kyle Shanahan. Dad's a Hall of Famer. I mean, he's understood. He beat Sean McVehan in the same division head-to-head with backups. Nobody would argue that Kyle Shanahan can't coach. In the one year he had a starting quarterback, they go to the Super Bowl.

but I think it's real for Kyle Shanahan. The Seahawks look better next year. The Rams have Stafford. Arizona keeps adding pieces. He's sitting there thinking, I need to start winning like now. I can't go with a developmental guy. I can't go ceiling guy.

How do I go ceiling guy? I don't have time for Trey Lance to develop. I don't have time. Everybody likes Trey Lant. I've been doing this now 30-some years. I got a lot of NFL contacts. All my guys love Trey Lans. The only question is,

he hasn't played really in a year and a half. Mac Jones has only started one year or two, but it's with NFL coaching. He just played. We just saw it. It was against the best defenses in college football. There's some recent tape on him. That's why I always show the same four plays for Trey Lance.

We don't have any tape. But here's what gets interesting. So the NBA is ceiling guy. You draft the ceiling guy. Don't worry about now. NFL's, I got to win now. But what happens in the NFL? foul, when guy that can't help you now but has a big ceiling is on a pretty damn good winning streak.

Josh Allen, Tyler Murray, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson. They were ceiling guys. They weren't ready to start. And they're like winning 75% of their games. Uh-oh. That's the problem. That's what fancy. that's the dilemma for Kyle Shanahan,

is that he's always been in the league, can you play and help me now? And I do think Mack Jones, according to people I trust, can walk in with that offense and win games. And I do think Trey Lance has a higher ceiling and Justin Fields has a higher ceiling, but may not quite be ready to go right now

in the NFL's toughest division. But boy, you look around the league, and there's an NBA field of the NFL. A lot of these can't help you now, guys, are running the league. And I really do think about this. Think about Jimmy Garoppolo. Pretend you and I, we run the NFL team.

Let's say Jimmy Garoppolo had never been hurt, but, and we're all watching, he's not, he's not great. He's B. He's like a thicker Matt Wright. He's B. And he'd never gotten hurt in San Francisco. And he did get to one Super Bowl. But in the end, Kyle Shanahan was like, listen, I go against Stafford. I go against Russell Wilson.

I go against Kyle O'Roury. and Kyle was just ready to move on from him and he'd never been hurt I think he would draft Tray Lance because then you could say okay I'm going to get hit in the chops for a year I'm fine but with Garapolo getting hurt

Garapolo controls this we all think Shanahan's running the team and John Lynch and a lot of it's Garoppolo is that if Garapolo never gets hurt and you go to a Super Bowl still and you're winning games but you're not you've decided inside the organization Listen, he's just, his judgment's not great. It wasn't great with the adult film star.

He misses throws, was decisions, and you were moving off. It'd be much easier to go with a higher ceiling guy. But that's not the league we live in. Like, I'm not a Mac Jones fan. He looks small to me. His arm is average. Like, if Joe Burrow couldn't move and Tony Romo couldn't move, that's Mac Jones. Yeah.

What made Romo and what makes Burrow to me is their escapeability. Burrow Romo feel like the same guy to me, burrow a little higher ceiling. But in the end, neither has a great arm. Mac Jones doesn't. Mac Jones doesn't. But I think this league is built on fear. I think the NFL is built on fear. Is guys knowing if they, even Kyle Shanahan, he may be looking and thinking,

I'm not going to get another George Kittle. I'm not going to get another bosa. I'm not going to get another GM. I like. that will let me pick the quarterback I like. So I think Mac Jones is going to go three. It is not the pick I would make, but a lot of times,

I've always said this about Adam Sandler movies. They're not built for me, but I get why they're made. Barstool Sports. It's not really built for me. I'm in my 50s, but I get the business. I get the Mac Jones pick.

I just wouldn't do it. And I certainly wouldn't have given away multiple picks. to get Mac Jones. And I will say this, that here's the interesting thing, to show you how much Garapolo's injuries are controlling it. I'll just throw this out there. I'll talk about it more later. But what's really interesting about Garapolo is that there's a story today with Peter

King is they're going to move him now in a week. Like, they're going to move him fast. And think about if you're Kyle Shanahan. If you want to move Garapolo now if you're going to move him, right? Because he has an injury history. If Garapolo got hurt one more time in September, you get nothing for it. There's no value on the market for, none. Today, according to Peter King, multiple calls, most will give up a second round pick.

Denver's like, he's ready to play. Justin Fields, we don't want to wait anymore. Again, Big Fangio doesn't want to wait to win either. He wants to win now. Jimmy Garoppolo can win now. Denver very interested in the Jimmy Garoppolo thing. but Garoppolo could literally go from getting you a second round pick if you traded into Denver today to getting nothing.

In the NFC West, I can't go with nothing. I can't lose my quarterback and have nothing. So the feeling is, if you'll – Peter King will join us this hour is they're taking calls and they want to move him and they want to get a pick because if he gets hurt again, they get nothing. And in the NFC West, you can't get nothing for your quarterback. You got to get something. It's too competitive.

So I think the whole ceiling thing and the fear, like we talk about this all the time in the show. Fear drives so much of our decisions. And I think a lot of the Mac, and by the way, those are often bad decisions. But I do think the Mac Jones thing, there's some fear in this that we've got to get something for Garapolo. The division's getting better. I know where ceiling's lower. I got to win now. It's not who I would do it.

I hate doing stuff. I mean, I just don't like fear-based decisions. But I get them. I get why people make them. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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And Atlanta, because of that, Terry Fontenow had to talk about, hey, people are calling on Julio Jones, and we've got to listen because, quote, we're in a difficult cap situation. And you think to yourself, well, why would Atlanta doesn't have that many stars? Where are the quarterbacks, like a $35 million cap hit. Brian Gutekunst, real nice guy, looks very nice, sounds very smart, once again talking about Aaron Rogers, and it all comes back to the cap. Here's, here's, uh, Brian yesterday.

Aaron's our guy. Um, he's going to be our quarterback for the foreseeable future. We're excited about, you know, kind of the things we're going to try to accomplish here over the next couple of years. So, um, we certainly think that, um, you know, with the contract that you're kind of talking about is something we'll work through. We're going to have to do probably a few things with different contracts as we, as we head towards the season and through the season to make sure that our salary cap situation, not only this year, uh, but in 2002 is square. So the GM of the Packers and the GM of the Falcons,

we don't think of those as star-studded teams. They're both like, listen, we got this cap thing. We got to let go of Julio Jones. And we'll get out why? Because your quarterback's $37 million. Look at the offseason of Kansas City. Mahomes is a $7.4 million cap hit. They rebuilt their offensive line.

Joe Tuny, they paid a fortune to. Orlando Brown Jr. by next year, they're going to pay a fortune to. Just go look at the offensive line numbers they brought in this year. And they already pay Tyree Kill and HoneyBancher and Frank Clark and Travis Kelsey. Look at Tampa's off season. Nobody got a pay cut. Everybody. They paid everybody.

They even franchise guys. Chris Godwin makes a fortune. Shaq Barrett, Levante Day. And I agree with all of them. But there's two teams in the NFL season. Seattle and Green Bay, who have what we perceive to be A-plus quarterbacks, and they're always like having to try to move stuff around. I mean, Seattle had to let go of Carlos Dunlap, bring him back to just fit him in on a reduced deal.

Why didn't Tampa, Kansas City have to do that? Folks, everybody wants to know the secret of Tom Brady's success and longevity. It ain't coaching. It's A, he takes care of his body to a level nobody ever has, and B, he's constantly restructuring his deal. You can't tell me it's coaching. What about Big Ben? Big Ben's got more natural talent than Brady,

but he doesn't take care of his body. Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, have more natural talent than Tom Brady, but they don't restructure their deals. You can't tell me Brady's success is tied to Belichick. He just went to Bruce Ariens and won a Super Bowl, and Belichick can't win without him. You can't tell me it's tied to coaching

because Mike McCarthy has a more impressive resume than Matt LaFleure, The difference is Matt LaFleur gets expensive Aaron and Mike McCarthy got mostly cheap Aaron. You can't blame coaching. We know Pete Carroll can win a Super Bowl. Mike Tomlin won a Super Bowl. It's not the coaching thing. And I'm not saying coaching doesn't matter.

You can't have a grease fire as a head coach. But Big Ben Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers have not achieved Tom's success. It's not about the coaching. And in a Pete Carroll, Matt LaFlewer, Mike Tomlin thing. It's a one guy didn't take care of his body. That's why it's so bad now. and especially at the end of a season, Big Ben looks shot, and the other two guys won't take a pay cut.

Just look at what Kansas City has done. First of all, Mahomes signed a very team-friendly deal. When he signed it, we all said. Everybody said. Even the Capologist guys were like, oh, boy, Kansas City got a deal. Then they already restructured it. And now he's only making $7 million. They just gave him an all-star offensive line.

Tom Brady's got an all-star defensive unit. And so you get to a point on all this. I got Green Bay in Atlanta. Those are not star-studded rosters. But once you pay a quarterback 35, 37, 38, this is what you're dealing with. All they can talk about is the cap. And so, like, I'm so over the Green Bay story. It's like, I don't think Green Bay is anti-Aaron.

I think the GM knows he's great. The dream of every general manager in this league is to draft somebody as talented as Aaron Rogers. That is the dream for every GM. The nightmare is the years, you have to pay him $39 million. because then you can't build on it. I don't think anybody's against Aaron in Green Bay. I mean, actions speak louder than words. You know, they did take Jordan Love, but I think it comes back to one thing.

Aaron's smart. He does take care of his body, so check that off. That's not the thing. But Aaron's not going to take any pay cuts. He's not married to his supermodel. Okay? You didn't have somebody making $500 million. NFL.

He didn't have a shoe deal like an NBA player. They're not going to take any pay cuts. He's had a couple injuries, so he didn't know how long it's going to last. But if you want to look at Brady's success, we have all tied it to Belichick. That has been our argument forever. Yeah, he just won with Bruce Ariens. No, no, no. It's Tom takes care of his body, and Tom constantly restructures his deal.

Russell won't. And Aaron won't. For reasons, it's up to them. It's not my call. It's your money, not mine. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, I'm John Middlecough, and I host the three-in-out podcast. Do you like football?

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Thank God in my life, I married somebody that didn't expect perfect. Right. And I married my wife. She's close to perfect. But there's some things she does I just live with and I'm okay with it. So one of the things that drives me nuts in politics, there's an old saying that conservatives, Republicans, fall in line. They find a guy. He doesn't have to be perfect.

He's their guy. Democrats fall in love. There's somebody they love every week. And it drives me nuts that if their candidate, Democrats candidate has four or five things you agree with. If there's one thing they don't agree with, it's bad. There's no perfect candidates. I don't agree with everybody on anything. I don't agree with me.

Tomorrow, I want to agree with some of the things I said today. You cannot find, if you're looking for a political candidate that you agree with everything, you're an idealist. You're a child. Grow up. That's not the way the world works. If you can get 75% of the stuff you agree with, that's good enough. Nobody agrees with it.

But these people go crazy on Twitter. Well, she said this. Yeah, but she also said this, this, this, this, this. He said that, but he also said this, this, this. There's no perfect people. When Zion Williamson came into the NBA, it was all about what he couldn't do. And I'm like, yeah, I don't care about that. I see what he can do, which is score 25 a night and get on the free throw line because he leaned in everybody.

Right. When I just started a company not long ago called the Volume Sports, it's a podcast network. And I had to hire a bunch of people. One of the things I never worried about was what people couldn't do. I was looking for people who could do things well. I didn't care about their flaws. Can you make me laugh? Boom, I hired Jenkins and Jones.

Could you make me think? Oh, okay, I hired this guy and this woman. I didn't care about the cans. I cared about the cans. Can you do something I can't stop listening to? Do you have that skill? So I love Bucky Brooks, but this drives me nuts. This drives me nuts.

There's no perfect husband. There's no perfect politician. I mean, Michael Jordan, by the way, was selfish, punch teammates, and really couldn't shoot threes. Well, you can't have a perfect co-os. Boom. So Bucky Brooks, who we like, suggests the Ravens should take Justin Fields and let Lamar Jackson graduate. Okay, stop.

Time out. Lamar Jackson is 30 and 4 against every quarterback not named Patrick Mahomes. He's 24. He wins 80% of his games. He has won a road playoff game. outside of like Mahomes, Rogers, there's no perfect quarterbacks. We love Drew Breeze.

He couldn't throw a deep ball the last four years in the league. Tom Brady can't outrun a batting cage. Can we stop with the perfect quarterback stuff? The kid's 24. He wins 84% of his games. He throws a nice deep ball. He is great athletically. And he's okay throwing but does appear to be getting better.

First year his passer rating was 84. needed work. Next year, it was 113 MVP. Kind of felt like a little bit like the league was still trying to figure out, what the heck is this guy do? Then the league last year kind of figures out, but his passer rating ends up 99. If he retires today, it would be the fifth highest ever. I like Derek Carr, his passer rating is closer to 90 than 100. I like Matt Ryan. What's his passer rating?

If his passer rating settles around 99, and I do think that's kind of what we're looking at, He's also very good on third down, which has always been a very interesting quarterback stat. The best quarterbacks are good on third down. They have instinct. They're good pre-snap. They're coachable. You know, that's always been a big stat for me.

How's your quarterback on third down? How's your quarterback on primetime games? Lamar is Zion. We're so caught up in what he can't do. But the stuff he can do is so otherworldly. We've got to stop the can't stuff. If you sit around and are paralyzed because you don't agree with one policy of your politician, you're going to be a bitter old man.

If you agree with he or she on 75% of policies, vote for him. No perfect candidates out there. You're like your child if you think you're going to get a perfect candidate. Drives me nuts. There's no per, even Mahomes. He now's been hurt a couple times. Sometimes he gets a little flake left sideways, throw behind his back. He's not perfect.

I mean, he's close as perfect as we have. Aaron's about as close. Aaron can be a little condescending, a little prickly. But he's about as close as you're going. I'm going to deal with that stuff. Russell Wilson scrambles into sacks. But boy, he's about 90% of it. It's just about as good as I can get on the market.

We've got to stop. There are no perfect anybody's. It just doesn't exist. We're just picking apart everybody. Just be happy. Be grateful a little. I love Bucky, but move off him. He's what 81% of his game?

It's insane. This pass rating is 99. You know, but sometimes on the crossing routes, I... Are you into the NFL draft? Me too. I'm John Middilkopf and I host the three and out podcast. I used to scout in the NFL. Now I talk football on the three and out podcast.

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embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand-new podcast.

The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream,

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So we usually don't talk offensive linemen. I've said I love football, but I don't sit and study it, so I depend on guys like you. And tonight you're hosting Big Boys Club, O-line Draft Academy, tonight seven. I'm going to watch this, seven Eastern on FS1. Don't be crudy because I'm watching. I won't be. It is, we went out and did a Gruden-style quarterback camp before offensive linemen. So we went to Dallas for four days.

We filmed four of the guys there. we came here to do Penae So it's behind the scenes of training, how they prepare. We watched the film, Exino's, Whiteboard. We had a big barbecue dinner one night as well. So it's like Gruden quarterback camp one hour. And then we have digital things like the film and X&Os everywhere. So it's very interesting. Reportedly, Joe Burrow in Cincinnati is telling the Bengals draft Jamar Chase.

Reportedly, Justin Herbert with the Chargers, is telling them draft Panayas. Sewell. Let's talk about him. So he is considered by the experts the best left tackle. Do you consider him that? Why or why not? Oh, I definitely do. Here's the thing about Peney. He's a unicorn, okay, because he's only 20 years old, and he'll be 20 the first month of the season. He won the Allen trophy starting that year at 18 years old. He played Auburn at ATT Stadium at 18 years old. And that's what makes him so special. He has so much talent already, and he still is like a kid's body. He's going to grow into a bigger body. He's going to grow into a more physical player, which is already extremely physical. He'll be a better past protector the older he gets. So

that's what you get from him. A talented player who's 20 years old, most guys we get, Quinn Nelson, right, was a senior. You know, Joe Thomas was an older player. All these guys that we get are typically older. He is 20 years old. And you said he'll be a better past protector as he ages and explain that to the audience, not just because of age, but why? Well, it's about reps. And in Oregon's office, offense previous to last year's offense, they didn't really have a lot of drought back pass reps. It wasn't what they did. A lot of

screens, a lot of get the ball quickly, and I think with more opportunity to just practice that and get older, you know, offensive line is a position of practice. You need to rep things out over and over and over again. And he missed last season, right? He sat out last year. So I think with more

reps, he'll get more comfortable as a past protector. He's not bad as a past protector. He's incredible recovery and balance. It's unbelievable. But just more technique work. That's all he needs at that position. By the way, he won the Outland Trophy at 18. Holy. Yeah, the first month of year.

He was 18 years old. He transitioned in 19. But he put like Derek Brown, Auburn's offensive line at 18 years old in that opening weekend game in 2019. Okay. So now there's Roshan Slater. He opted out to. Very good film on Chase Young. Is he better interior or tackle?

How do you view him? He is the most ready pass protector at offense tackle we have right now. You mentioned the Chase Young game. 2019, he played really well. And this is the thing about, you know, people talk about his arm length is short. Watch the game, guys. Watch the game. He kept Chase Young away from his quarterback with his arms. He was

fantastic. Very smooth pass sets. Very good independent hands. So one at a time. He's not doing a two-hand punching, not lunging out. But I think he's a tackle all the way. When you watch him in the run game, sometimes his hips and hands don't kind of coordinate with each other. He needs to work on that a little bit. We talk about that on the show.

I think he's 100% of tackle, right tackle or left tackle. I would not put him a guard. I don't think he's powerful enough. Panasual is powerful enough to play guard. I don't think Slater is, at least now. Maybe you could work on it. But you draft him right now. You put him at tackle.

Don't have to worry about it for 12 years. Okay. Now, Elijah Vera Tucker at USC, I know the program pretty well. Great kid. Yes. Great kid. He was the best guard in the PAC 12.

USC has not recruited the O-line particularly well. He had to play left tackle and did very well. But you played in the NFL for eight years. In your eyes, is he a left-taught? tackle in the NFL? Some people believe he is. I think he is an elite guard, and I would put him at guard right away

and make sure that he is that elite guard. He can play tackle. The only concern I had with him was against Oregon last year was the only game he played, you know, kind of professional defense events. Kavon Tibado, who we'll get into next year and a couple other guys at Oregon,

he had a tougher game. And that was the first time all year he played against a true kind of pro guy, but he's very smooth. But a guard, his recovery is so good at the second level. He's so smooth out there. there's no panic in his sets when people, because they pass the ball so much at USC that he gets a lot of reps and pass pro.

They bring a lot of pressure. So he's practiced a lot of pro things that he will do. I think he put him a guard right now and just be done with it. Put him a guard, whether you're the Vikings of 14 and the Giants at 11 or maybe the Chargers and just put them there and be done with it. Yeah, chargers need a left tackle. Yes. Is there a tackle, and I don't know if we'll have film of them, Virginia Tech guy, I've heard,

has some red flags. Is there a tackle you're a little weary of the footwork? injury, there's something that you, you as a guy that's played, you're just a little weary of them. So, Tavon Jenkins from Oklahoma State is not a bad player, but he's really just a right tackle. Like, he's kind of too big to play guard and probably not good enough to play left tackles. He puts him in a weird spot in the draft. I know people have mocked him to certain teams, but guys, I think he's just specifically a right tackle. Again, I don't think he's bad, but that's kind of just a one position, which is tough,

because Slater and Sewell can play two positions. Vera Tucker can get by tackle, but can play guard as well. he's kind of just a one position type of guy. The other guy that is not talked about a lot that could be a lot of values, Walker Little from Stanford. Oh, thank you. Now I know the story on him. So he hasn't played the last two years.

By the way, he was young. Yeah. He went to Stanford. He started at Stanford, true freshman. David Shaw doesn't like to start. No. He's from Houston. Yeah, five star kid.

Five star kid. So remember this name. This kid could end up moving up to the second. He may be the most underrated O. Lyman in the draft. There was no film on him. He's been played in two years. He played the first game in 2019,

hers knee against Northwestern, and then opted out last year with the weird Pac-12 season. So, you know, the potential's there, right? Five-star kid, you mentioned shot doesn't play a lot of freshmen. He needed to get stronger, more powerful, which you can't tell until he kind of plays. So I know he's worked on it, but he's a guy that you get in the second or third round

that probably would have been a top five pick. I mean, he was mocked heading in the 2019 as a top five pick. A top five pick, period. Yeah, like you don't really drop down. It's just injuries. So that concerns me with him. But I think if you get him later in the second or third round, you might get a starter by halfway through season or next year.

If you ran the Cincinnati Bengals, so they have a center they like, I believe out of Alabama. They have a left tackle Jonah Williams. And those are the two key positions. Nothing against you guards or anything. But you want a guy that calls the audible center and left tackle. They went and acquired a so right tackle. You could probably get Penae Sewell.

You could probably go get Slater. Or Joe Burrell says, go get you Mar Chase. If you, as an offensive lineman, if you ran the Bengals, knowing Burrow has had an injury already, what would you do? I just look at the history of the NFL. Last four years, those are your last four years. 2017 Eagles' best offensive line in the NFL. 2018 Patriots dominated with an offensive line in the playoffs. 2019 Chiefs, all pro right tackle, pro-ball left tackle.

Bucks last year had three all-pro level players. The rookie came in, Worf's played great at right tackle right away. I would make sure my position up front is fixed. And I get the Bengals argument. The argument is take chase at five, get in a deep tackle class or guard class, get someone at 38. But you're not guaranteed to get that guy at 38 that you want. You know, they want, let's say Alex Lellerwood from Alabama, you might not be there at 38. Like I would solidify the offensive line now.

You can put Penae at right tackle or left tackle. Riley Reef, you mentioned him. It's a one-year deal. They signed him for one year. They do have a whole right guard as well. You can't convince me that a wide receiver is the way to go to build your roster up when you have a first-round draft pick like this. Mack Jones, San Francisco 3.

What do you make of it? I don't get it. I just, I don't get it. It doesn't make sense to me. You know, the argument is this, is that Shannon has taken, whether him or his dad, have taken players with lesser traits at quarterback and made them above average. So I would think to myself,

hey, why don't you take a guy with above average traits Lance and Fields and make them even better, right? The guy, taking the lower ceiling guy doesn't make sense to me. Why would you take a guy with lower traits, like, to work your off? I don't get it. And also, we've not seen a guy like Mac Jones

succeed in the NFL in last five or six years. Give me an example of a guy who most people agree has, has lower kind of the lower athletic traits as one in the NFL. Who are we looking at? We have plenty of traits guys, Herbert, right, Allen, Mahomes, Watson, even Kyler and Lamar, like all these traits guys have succeeded in the NFL.

The lower trade guy, I haven't seen it. So I don't know why you would trade up for him. Remember, they traded the next two first round picks. It's not just this year. It's the next two years. I wouldn't tie myself to Mack Jones. I don't think he's terrible. I don't think he's terrible.

But the third pick overall, when you have Fields and Lance there, does not make sense to me in the way they want to construct their team. You know, it's interesting. I've talked to enough people that have said, if a guy's, there's about 15 great players in this draft. Like great players. Do you agree with that? Yeah, most people have said between like 15 to 18 about first round grades.

And then you get it into the second, third, fourth round. And there's some GMs that are like, I don't love guys opting out. Now, you tell me, if you were a first round pick, would you have played or opted out? How do players view that? I think players view it whatever is the best for them to get paid. And we look at the top guys, I don't think it's hurting Chase or Soule or Slater.

Now, it's hurting Gregory Rousseau from Miami because he had a bad pro day and was overweight. Like, if you showed up at your pro day, it's going to hurt you. But to me, look at the Pact 12 players. Imagine if you're Pena Sewell, right? Or you're Rishon Slater from the Big Ten.

They tell you in August, your season's canceled. You're like, all right, well, I'm out of here. I'm going to get ready for the combine. And then, you know, four weeks later, eight weeks later, like, oh, come on back. And you're like, I've moved on. I'm going. That's how I would have thought.

Like, I have no problem. I left college early. Why? Because I got a job I thought was as close to the big leagues. I got a AAA baseball job. It was nothing against college. But it was like, okay, I don't think next year I wouldn't get this job. This is the, I got a Las Vegas stars.

You usually end up having to work in like Yuba City. In the Selham Oregon for like the rookie ball team. So like I told, like the opt out thing for me, if I was an elite player, I was like, yeah, I get it. And I know that the older NFL people do not like it. I know for a fact, they don't like it. You know, with Jamar Chase, he could have played a full season, but I get it, man. Like, it hasn't hurt his stock at all. Why would you play if you don't have to?

You know, a lot of the players come to college, guys, I'm sorry to tell you, to make money in the NFL. And the quickest path to do that is to sit out this season and get ready to play next year. Plus, he might have known that they weren't going to be as good and he didn't want to play with a new quarterback. And so he just sat out this year and he's going to be in the top five. You know, it's funny about this, Jeff. I was just having this conversation with Doug Gottlieb yesterday. We were talking about the transfer portal. And I said, in my life, people that are just rigid, it's in their DNA, they're rigid, they have one way to live.

It never works out well. The transfer portal is a great example. So you can look at it and go, oh, my guys are just leaving. The smart coaches have been, or I'm not a great recruiter, but I do run a good program, and I can get three or four guys and solve my issues. like a guy's already played in college at Ole Miss, and I'm at Utah, and I'm like, well, I know you can play college. You have a much lower percentage of a bus risk, a bust rate transfer portal. And I kind of look at opting out is sort of like the transfer portal.

If you're rigid, it drives you crazy because we didn't have it yesterday. But I look at the transfer portal and say, God, if I was a program, if I just got a job at Texas Tech football, we don't have good enough players. I could just be pro player and sign seven guys. who don't get to play at Texas or Oklahoma, I'm good next year. Like the world's changing.

I look at the, like, for instance, guys don't want to play in bowl games. Yeah. Okay. A quarterback I want to plan a bowl game. If I'm a running back at LSU and I've taken a beating for three years and we're like eight and four,

I mean, how do you view not playing in bowl games? I think everyone in the team roots for their teammate to get paid. And if the best way to do that is skipping the bowl game, they're all for, no, of course. You guys are missing playoff games, but I'm missing the Rose Bowl. but if you want to sit the Vegas bowl out or the Sun Bowl out,

like be my guess. Like I don't have a problem because, again, I think players look at it as rooting for their friends to get paid. But also, you know, it allows a young player to play in a game that possibly couldn't play in that game in a big bowl game. So I have no problem with that. The transfer portal is so interesting because the old coaches, they hate it.

They hate it. And they hate it more because they don't want to keep recruiting the players they have. They like the old system where you recruit someone, you bring them in your program, and you're basically done recruiting them. Now you have to recruit. your own players on your roster every single day because you know that they might leave if you look at them weird.

It is interesting. So you, let me see, I'm going to see where you got. You got drafted in round seven. Oh, yeah. Boy. Were you just on the couch with the parents? It was a bad day. Why?

So that was when we had two days of the draft, right? Rounds one and two and then the five other rounds. So 2008 draft, 10 tackles were taking in the first two rounds. It was like the most they've ever seen that early. in the draft. And you weren't one of them. No, I was not. I knew I wasn't one of them. I knew it was like somewhere between like 11 and 15. So I thought like, okay, great, I'll be drafted much earlier than I thought. I thought four to sixth round. So I wake up in the morning out on the West Coast 6 a.m. And they tell you, don't watch a draft. I didn't watch the first

day, second day, 6 a.m. front of my couch. Third round goes by, fourth round goes by, fifth round goes by. Start getting some calls here and there. It just, it was a long day. The Panthers called me, picked 241. I think it's Brandon Bean called me, not a general manager of the bills. And by that point, I was over. I actually had a deal to go as a free agent somewhere. I was, like, ready to be done. Because that was 11 picks from the end of the draft.

Brandon Bean calls me and says, hey, how do you feel about getting drafted? I said, at this point, I don't even care. And he said, well, welcome to the Panthers. And I was like, yeah, I got drafted. Like, we had canceled my party, like cancel my draft party. We had just, we had moved on. Like, it was, and then with the party kind of like restarted up again.

But it was at that point, because what happens is the last couple of rounds, all these teams start calling you, not to draft you, but to make you think they're interested in you, so you sign there as a free agent. So a team's like, hey, you know, an O-line coach from X team, hey, man, we're thinking about drafting you here. And they don't draft you, but then they can call you afterward and say, hey, man, we love you.

I try to get you drafted. Come sign with me as a priority free agent after the draft. That's how they do it. So I got a bunch of those calls. Like, hey, we're going to draft you now. Just like, be ready. It just didn't happen until the very end. To pick 241.

You know, I thought about this. I would tell my family I don't want to party. Because you knew you were going to be either a fifth, six, or seventh. Yeah, I mean, I knew. Yeah, but like it was the first time doing it. Like, for my brother, we scheduled a party the following day. So we knew, like, if it didn't happen on day two, we would be fine.

But, like, we scheduled the same day as the draft. Yeah, it was, yeah, we canceled the whole thing. We turned the whole thing off. And then people just kind of showed up anyways. Yeah, it was, I wouldn't recommend sitting there watching it. It's a bad experience. It's not fun to see. And I've gone back to Wikipedia and looked at like, who's been drafted in front of me.

Like, he didn't make it, he didn't make it, he didn't make it. I'm petty like that. I don't think that's petty. I think that's petty. Yeah, no, I mean, I don't think you're alone. I've heard receivers say that. Like I, that guy can't catch the ball. I know.

I keep Talib. I mean, he'll, he's, you know, told me before. There was a guy drafted, and he was a high pick, but he played a losing program. Kansas, yeah. Yeah, no, no, no. It's like, I guarded that guy and shut him down. You guarded him, gave me eight catches. Oh, yeah?

Oh, yeah. That's not petty. That's competent. I like your competitiveness. Oh, yeah. I'll go, you know, after this, I'm going to go back and look it up again, just to see. You feel good about yourself. Oh, I do.

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