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All right. Jeff Schwartz, Fox Sports analyst, former NFL offensive lineman. This guy knows offensive line a lot. And so, first of all, you're in studio. Yes. You and Joel Clatt, I mean, seriously, this island has only two occupants in the last year and a half. So we usually don't talk offensive linemen. I've said I love football, but I don't sit and study it, so I depend on guys like you. And tonight you're hosting Big Boys Club, O-Line Draft Academy, tonight seven.

I'm going to watch this, 7 Eastern on FS1. Don't be cruddy because I'm watching. I won't be. It is, we went out and did a Gruden-style quarterback camp but for offense alignment. So we went to Dallas for four days. We filmed four of the guys there. We came here to do Penae-Sul in Los Angeles.

So it's behind the scenes of training, how to prepare. We watched the film. Exino's, Whiteboard. We had a big barbecue dinner one night as well. So it's like Gruden quarterback camp one hour. And then we have digital things like the film and X-N-O's everywhere.

So it's very interesting. Reportedly Joe Burrow in Cincinnati is telling the Bengals draft Jamar Chase. Yes. Reportedly, Justin Herbert with the Chargers

is telling them draft Penae Sewell. Let's talk about him. So he is considered by the experts the best left tackle. Do you consider him that why or why not?

Oh, I definitely do. Here's the thing about Penae. He's a unicorn, okay? Because he's only 20 years old and he'll be 20 the first month of the season. He won the Allen trophy starting that year at 18 years old.

He played Auburn at 18 years old. Oh, my God. ATT Stadium at 18 years old. And that's what makes him so special. He has so much talent already, and he still is like a kid's body. He's going to grow into a bigger body. He's going to grow into a more physical player, which is already extremely physical.

He'll be a better pass protector the older he gets. So that's what you get from him. A talented player who's 20 years old, most guys we get, Quinn Nelson, right, was a senior. Joe Thomas was an older player. All these guys that we get are typically older. He is 20 years old. And you said he'll be a better pass protector.

as he ages and explain that to the audience, not just because of age, but why? Well, it's about reps. And in Oregon's offense, previous to last year's offense, they didn't really have a lot of drought back past reps. It wasn't what they did. A lot of screens, a lot of get the ball quickly, and I think with more opportunity to just practice that and get older,

you know, offensive line is a position of practice. You need to rep things out over and over again, and he missed last season, right? He sat out last year. So I think with more reps, he'll get more, comfortable as a past projector. He's not bad as a past projector. He's incredible recovery and balance. It's unbelievable.

But just more technique work. That's all he needs at that position. By the way, he won the Outland Trophy at 18. Holy The first month of year. He was 18 years old. He transitioned to 19. But he played like Derek Brown, Auburn's offensive line at 18 years old in that opening weekend game in 2019. Okay. So now there's

Rishon Slater. He opted out to very good film on Chase Young. Is he better interior or tackle? How you view him. He is the most ready pass protector at offense tackle we have right now. You mentioned the Chase Young game.

2019, he played really well. And this is the thing about, you know, people talk about his arm length is short. Watch the game, guys. Watch the game. He kept Chase Young away from his quarterback with his arms. He was fantastic.

Very smooth pass sets, very good independent hands. So one at a time. He's not doing the two-hand punching, not lunging out. But I think he's a tackle all the way. When you watch him in the run game, sometimes his hips and hands

don't kind of coordinate with each other. to work on that a little bit. We talk about that on the show. I think he's 100% of tackle, right tackle, or left tackle. I would not put him at guard. I don't think he's powerful enough. Penasual is powerful enough to play guard. I don't think Slater is, at least now. Maybe you could work on it. But you draft him right now. You put him at tackle. Don't have to worry about it for 12 years. Okay. Now, Elijah Vera Tucker at USC, I know the program pretty well. Great kid. Yes. Great kid. He was the best guard in the PAC 12.

USC has not recruited the O-line particularly well. He had to play left. tackle and did very well. But you played in the NFL for eight years. In your eyes, is he a left tackle in the NFL? Some people believe he is. I think he is an elite guard. And I would put him at guard right away and make sure that he is that elite guard. He can play tackle.

The only concern I had with him was against Oregon last year was the only game he played you know, kind of professional defense events. Kavon Tibado, who we'll get into next year and a couple other guys at Oregon. He had a tougher game. And that was the first time all year he played against a true kind of pro guy, but he's very smooth. But at guard, his recovery is so good at the second level. He's so smooth

out there. Like, there's no panic in his sets when people, because, you know, they pass the ball so much at USC that he gets a lot of reps and pass pro. Yeah. And they bring a lot of pressure and stuff. So he's practiced a lot of pro things that he will do. I think you put him a guard right now and just be done with it. Put him a guard, whether you're the Vikings of 14 and the Giants at 11 or maybe the Chargers and just put him there, be done with it.

Yeah, chargers need a left tackle. Yes. Is there a tackle? And I don't know if we'll have film of them. Virginia Tech guy I've heard has some red flags. Is there a tackle? You're a little weary of the footwork, injury. There's something that you, you as a guy

that's played, you're just a little weary of them. So, Tavon Jenkins from Oklahoma State is not a bad player, but he's really just a right tackle. He's kind of too big to play guard and probably not good enough to play left tackles. It puts him in a weird spot in the draft. I know people have mocked him to certain teams, but guys, I think he's just specifically a right tackle. Again, I don't think he's bad.

But that's kind of just the one position, which is tough, because Slater and Sewell can play two positions. Vera Tucker can get by a tackle but can play guard as well. He's kind of just a one position type of guy. The other guy that is not talked about a lot that could be a lot of values, Walker Little from Stanford. Oh, thank you. Now I know the story on him.

So he hasn't played the last two years. By the way, he was young. Yeah. He went to Stanford. He started at Stanford, true freshman. David Shaw doesn't like to start. No. He's from Houston.

Yeah, five-star kid. Five-star kids. So remember this name. This kid could end. end up moving up to the second. He may be the most underrated O-Liman in the draft. There's no film on him. He's been played in two years.

He played the first game in 2019, hers knee against Northwestern, and then opted out last year with the weird Pac-12 season. So, you know, the potential's there, right? Five-star kid, you mentioned shot doesn't play a lot of freshmen. He needed to get stronger, more powerful, which you can't tell until he kind of plays. So I know he's worked on it,

but he's a guy that you get in the second or third round that probably would have been a top-five pick. I mean, he was mocked heading in the 2019 as a top-five pick. A top five pick, period. Yeah, like you don't really drop down. It's just injuries. So that concerns me with him. But I think if you get him later in the second or third round,

you might get a starter by halfway through season or next year. If you ran the Cincinnati Bengals, so they have a center they like, I believe out of Alabama. They have a left tackle Jonah Williams. And those are the two key positions. Nothing against you guards or anything. But you want a guy that calls the audible center and left tackle. They're pretty good.

they went and acquired a so right tackle. You could probably get Penae Sewell. You could probably go get Slater. Or Joe Burrell says, go get you Mar Chase, if you, as an offensive lineman, if you ran the Bengals,

knowing Burrow has had an injury already, what would you do? I just look at the history of the NFL. Last four years, those are your last four years, 2017 Eagles' best offensive line in the NFL. 2018 Patriots dominated with an offensive line in the playoffs. 2019 Chiefs, all-pro right tackle, pro-ball left tackle.

Bucks last year had three all-pro-level players. The rookie came in, Worf's played great at right tackle right away. I would make sure my position up front is fixed. And I get the Bengals argument. The argument is take chase at five, get a in a deep tackle class or guard class, get someone at 38, but you're not guaranteed to get that guy at 38 that you want. You know, they want, let's say Alex Lellerwood from Alabama, you might not be there at 38.

I would solidify the offensive line now. You can put Penae at right tackle or left tackle. Riley, if you mentioned him, it's a one-year deal. They signed him for one year. They do have a whole right guard as well. You can't convince me that a wide receiver is the way to go to build your roster up when you have a first-round draft pick like this. Mack Jones, San Francisco 3.

What do you make of it? I don't get it. I just, I don't get it. It doesn't make sense to me. The argument is this, is that Shannon has taken, whether him or his dad, have taken players with lesser traits a quarterback and made them above average. So I would think to myself, hey, why don't you take a guy with above average traits,

Lance and Fields, and make them even better, right? Taking the lower ceiling guy doesn't make sense to me. Why would you take a guy with lower traits, like to work your off? I don't get it. And also, we've not seen a guy like Mack Jones succeed in the NFL in last five or six years. Give me an example of a guy who most people agree has lower kind of the lower athletic traits as one in the NFL. Who are we looking at? We have plenty of traits guys, Herbert, right? Allen,

Mahomes, Watson, even Kyler and Lamar, like all these traits guys have succeeded in the NFL. The lower trait guy, I haven't seen it. So I don't know why you would trade up for him. Remember, they traded the next two first round picks. It's not just this year. It's the next two years. I wouldn't tie myself to Mack Jones. I don't think he's terrible. I don't think he's terrible. But the third pick overall, when you have Fields and Lance there, does not make sense to me in the way they want to construct their team. You know, it's interesting. I've talked to enough people that have said,

if a guy's, there's about 15 great players in this draft. Like great players. Do you agree with that? Yeah, most people have said between like 15 to 18 about first round grades. And then you get it into the second, third, fourth round, and there's some GMs that are like, I don't love guys opting out. Now, you tell me, if you were a first round pick,

would you have played or opted out? How do players view that? I think players view it whatever is the best for them to get paid. And we look at the top guys. I don't think it's hurting Chase or Soule or Slater. Now, it's hurting Gregory Rousseau from Miami because he had a bad pro day, was overweight. Like if you showed up at your pro day, it's going to hurt you.

But to me, look at the Pact 12 players. Imagine if you're Pena Sewell, right? Or you're Rishon Slater from the Big Ten. They tell you in August, your season's canceled. You're like, all right, well, I'm out of here. I'm going to get ready for the combine. And then, you know, four weeks later, eight weeks later, Oh, come on back.

And you're like, I've moved on. I'm gone. See, I, that's how I would have thought. Like, I have no problem. I left college early. Why? Because I got a job I thought was as close to the big leagues. I got a AAA baseball job.

It was nothing against college. But it was like, okay, I don't think next year I wouldn't get this job. This is the, I got a Las Vegas stars. You usually end up having to work in like Yuba City or. In Salem, Oregon for like the rookie ball team. So like, I told, like the opt out thing for me, if I was an elite player, I was like, yeah, I get it. And I know that the older NFL people do not like it.

I know for a fact, they don't like it. You know, with Jamar Chase, he could have played a full season, but I get it, man. It hasn't hurt his stock at all. Why would you play if you don't have to? A lot of the players come to college, guys, I'm sorry to tell you, to make money in the NFL. And the quickest path to do that is to sit out this season and get ready to play next year. Plus, he might have known that they weren't going to be as good and he didn't want to

play with a new quarterback. And so he just sat out this year. and he's going to be in the top five. You know, it's funny about this, Jim. I was just having this conversation with Doug Gottlieb yesterday. We were talking about the transfer portal. And I said, in my life, people that are just rigid, it's in their DNA, they're rigid. They have one way to live.

It never works out well. The transfer portal is a great example. So you can look at it and go, oh, my guys are just leaving. The smart coaches have been, or I'm not a great recruiter, but I do run a good program, and I can get three or four guys and solve my issues. Like a guy's already played in college at Ole Miss, and I'm at Utah, and I'm like, well, I know you can play college. You have a much lower percentage of a bus rate transfer portal.

And I kind of look at opting out is sort of like the transfer portal. If you're rigid, it drives you crazy because we didn't have it yesterday. But I look at the transfer portal and say, God, if I was a program, if I just got a job at Texas Tech football, We don't have good enough players. I could just be pro player and sign seven guys who don't get to play at Texas or Oklahoma. I'm good next year.

Like the world's changing. I look at the, like for instance, guys don't want to play in bowl games. Yeah. A quarterback I want to play in a bowl game. If I'm a running back at LSU and I've taken a beating for three years and we're like eight and four,

I mean, how do you view not playing in bowl games? I think everyone in the team roots for their teammate to get paid. And if the best way to do that is skipping the bowl game, they're all four. Now, of course, you guys are missing playoff games, but I'm missing the Rose Bowl, but if you want to sit the Vegas Bowl out or the Sun Bowl out, like, be my guess.

Like, I don't have a problem because, again, I think players look at it as rooting for their friends to get paid, but also, you know, it allows a young player to play in a game that possibly couldn't have played in that game in a big bowl game. So I have no problem with that. The Transfer Portal is so interesting because the old coaches, they hate it.

They hate it. And they hate it more because they don't want to keep recruiting the players they have. They like the old system where you recruit someone, you bring them in your program and you're basically done recruiting them. Now you have to recruit your own players on your roster every single day because you know that they might leave if you look at them weird. It is interesting. So you, let me see, I'm going to see where you got.

You got drafted in round seven. Oh, yeah. Boy. Were you just on the couch with the parents? It was a bad day. Why? So that was when we had two days of the draft, right? Rounds one and two and then the five other rounds.

So 2008 draft, 10 tackles were taking in the first two rounds. It was like the most they've ever seen that early in the draft. And you weren't one of them. No, I was not. I knew I wasn't one of them. I knew it was like somewhere between like 11 and 15. So I thought like, okay, great, I'll be drafted much earlier than I thought. I thought four to sixth round.

So I wake up in the morning out on the West Coast 6 a.m. And they tell you, don't watch a draft. I didn't watch the first day, second day, six a.m. Front of my couch. Third round goes by. Fourth round goes by. Fifth round goes by.

Start getting some calls here and there. It just, it was a long day. The Panthers called me, picked 241. I think it's Brandon Bean called me, not a general manager of the bills. And by that point, I was over. I actually had a deal to go as a free agent somewhere. I was like ready to be done.

Because that was 11 picks from the end of the draft. Brandon Bean calls me and says, hey, how do you feel about getting drafted? I said, at this point, I don't even care. And he said, well, welcome to the Panthers. I was like, yeah, I got drafted. Like, we had canceled my party, like canceled my draft party.

We had just, we had moved on. Like, it was, and then with the party kind of like restarted up again. But it was at that point, Because what happens is the last couple of rounds, all these teams start calling you, not to draft you, but to make you think they're interested in you so you sign there as a free agent.

So it seems like, hey, you know, an O-line coach from X team, hey, man, we're thinking about drafting you here. And they don't draft you, but then they can call you afterward and say, hey, man, we love you. I try to get you drafted. Come sign with me as a priority free agent after the draft.

That's how they do it. So I got a bunch of those calls. Like, hey, we're going to draft you now. Just like, be ready. It just didn't happen until the very end. to pick 241. I had to, you know, I thought about this. I would tell my family I don't want a party.

Because you knew you were going to be either a fifth, six, or seventh. Yeah, I mean, I knew. Yeah, but like it was the first time doing, like, for my brother, we scheduled a party the following day. So we knew, like, if it didn't happen on day two, we would be fine. But like, we scheduled the same day as the draft. Yeah, it was, yeah, we canceled the whole thing. We turned the whole thing off.

And then people just kind of showed up anyways. Yeah, it was, I wouldn't recommend. sitting there watching it. It's a bad experience. It's not fun to see. I've gone back to Wikipedia and looked at like, who's been drafted in front of me. Like, he didn't make it, he didn't make it, he didn't make it. I'm petty like that. I don't think that's petty. I think that's, yeah, no, I mean, I don't think you're alone. I've heard receivers say that. Like I, I, that guy can't catch the ball. I know. I keep Talib. I mean, he'll, he's, you know, told me before I, there was a guy drafted, and he was a high pick, but he played a losing program.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. It's like. I guarded that guy and shut him down. You guarded him, gave him eight catches. That's not petty. That's competent. I like your competitiveness. Oh, yeah. I'll go after this, I'm going to go back and look it up again just to see.

You feel good about yourself. Oh, I do. You don't want to go on TV tonight and I feel good about yourself. Exactly, yes. Jeff Schwartz, great stuff. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraging.

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Search learn the hard way and listen now. Joey Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. If you get involved in that, it will affect how you are, how you think, and what you do. What I can promise people that you have two people who make sure we don't get involved in that, because that is so irresponsible to let something like that affect your decision.

We do this for a living, and I think people should be proud of us that we won't let that affect our decision. All right. And then it's up to us to live with the consequence. And why does stuff keep leaking from them? Like eight different Mac Jones stories leaking. Nothing leaked for years with San Francisco. Now it's all leaking. I get what he's saying.

We talk about this all the time. You don't take criticism from someone you wouldn't take advice from. Right. Right. So social media is not a great place to gauge how well you're doing at your job, you know, what kind of decisions you've made. Because this is just, it's a bunch of people who really, really don't know anything about what you do and just have an opinion for the most part.

However, you do have to keep some sort of pulse on the energy towards what you're doing. That's true. That's fair. So I don't think that you should put stock in what, you know, Niners fan 942 says on the message board, but be aware of the viewpoint or the energy that your fan base has towards what you're doing and the direction that you're going. So I don't think it should sway your decision. If you think Mack Jones is a better choice for your team, Kyle Shanahan knows more about football than you and I have ever, like can even touch, right?

Like this, he obviously knows more about football than all of the fans and you and I and most other analysts as well. By the way, head coach. But I do think listening to a lot of voices, you can get little, like for instance, Penae Sewell was an Outland trophy winner at 18. You're like, good hell. Well, yeah, but I'm sure he knows that. Yeah, but I do think you hear things. I texted two GMs about a player, a positive thing about a player.

I said, hey, just let you know, bang, bang. And both are like, thank you very much. But you're not social media. Okay, that's fair. Yeah, I was going to say, I have occasionally texted a GM and say, and I'll give you an example. I'm not pat myself in the back. I've had multiple GM say, hey, you follow USC. Give me the rundown on their players.

And I've told him, a kid doesn't work hard. This kid gets hurt a lot. This kid is great kid, limited. I mean, I'll tell them anything. But the USC kids, I'll tell them good. And it's mostly, I'll give you an example. Now, I know I didn't change their thinking. But years ago, a general manager asked me about,

the linebacker for the chargers, the USC kid, knew also. Chena, he's a terrific player. and I had some good insight in the facility and I said I would draft that kid like this kid in the program got out of the program came back fought for a job and I knew I'm not going to say a couple things I knew about him and I'm like total fighter street fighter you want them in your locker room and I told two GMs that and one of them picked them now I don't think I persuaded them no but it does when you're getting input on things it doesn't matter. But again, I would say you're not social media. You're not, you have sources in the

building. You follow the program. You're close to the program. Like you watch every game. You're invested in that and you have voices and sources. The average person that's just a USC fan watching it from their house having a beer and then having an opinion on things, that's just an opinion. It doesn't, it's not based in anything except for your fandom and what you see. But it is, do sometimes the fans say thing? Because we all know there's some smart fans. I mean, there's a lot of Division I One athletes who play, don't play. I'm not saying fans don't know the game or don't understand it. I'm just saying

that there is, when you're talking about scouting players, when you're talking about knowing how they are in the building with their relationships are with their family, like that's what a scout is supposed to do. I guess I'm this. I am not a believer that you never listen to anybody's opinion. Like, I occasionally, not

a lot, because I put filters on my phone for the meatballs, but there are times that I have I'll give an example. When I get in the cab or Uber. I ask very generic questions. What do you care about? Would you watch last night? I want to hear from an average guy. What did you watch? What do you care? And I'll often take that into my show thinking the average guy. I remember this, getting into Uber's and everybody hated Durant to the Warriors. They were like, I'll never watch the NBA. It's rigged. And I remember,

I didn't think that at all, but I remember thinking, man, it was like two or three people were like, young, old, like, I hate Durant to the Warriors. The league is. And I remember, remember thinking, man, I think it is mobility, upward mobility. Fans hated it and the ratings went down. No, I agree. I think that most, I believe that most 49ers fans are not happy with the idea of Mac Jones because the 49ers fans that I know are not happy with Mac Jones. And I know they talk to other 49ers fans and they've told me that the other 49ers fans that they are friends with aren't either.

Now, that doesn't mean the whole fan base isn't. But that's why it's important to pay attention to it. I'm just saying he is saying he's not going to change his pick because the message boards are unhappy with Mac Jones, which is probably the right thing to do. So the Packers directed a lot of their resources in the last year to keeping their own guys, defensive tackle. Kenny Clark, left tackle David Bakhtiari, both got extensions in 2020, and Aaron Jones re-signs before hitting the open market.

And their GM said keeping their own players in Green Bay was one of the team's top priorities. We were able to kind of sign the number one running back on the market, the number one left tackle on the market, the number one defensive tackle on the market. So we just happened to all play for us, which is great. We certainly did a lot, maybe a little bit outside of what we normally do as far as pushing money forward to kind of continue to keep this team together so we can make another run. Yeah, by the way, that's what Tampa's doing. It's okay. Win games now.

You're not going to get another errand. I don't get. He says. I don't, I didn't understand it. From the moment that Jordan Love was taken, I did not understand what Green Bay was doing. So doing something a little outside of what you normally do in Green Bay. Bay, I think is the right thing to do. You're in the NFC championship game. You have Aaron Rogers. What are you blowing up? What are you preparing for the future for? This is not Pittsburgh.

Okay. You do not have Ben Rathesberger coming off of an injury and having a disaster in the playoffs. Like, you are set to win right now. Go all in. Like just stop, stop betting the minimum. You got Aaron after Fav. You're not going to get another Fav after Aaron. Exactly. Okay, this is it. And that's what you're counting on. Which is insanity. Tampa is never going to get a goat at 43 to move to their franchise. So just go all in and win. It's the right thing to do.

All right. We got one more story. We'll do it after the break. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Baker Mayfield's talking.

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I'm a firm believer in UFOs and Sasquatch. It's real. I saw it. I'm glad the Navy finally confirmed some more pictures. Now everybody doesn't think I'm as crazy. I believe. Now, UFOs, we have governments now, including ours, that are acknowledging, we don't know what this is, and we're investigating.

So for the day, I'm going to give Baker a pass. But the Sasquatch, the Sasquatch come on. The two greatest Sasquatch sightings, one was in the Himalayas in the early 90s, and the people admitted it was a total hoax. Then there's this picture that happened in the 60s, 70s in Northern California. That is largely considered a hoax because somebody in the family had a Hollywood tie and they had a suit. And so there's a daughter of somebody who said, yeah, dad had a suit. And this is the kind of thing dad would have done.

And dad lived up in Northern California. Used to work in Hollywood. So that's considered a hoax. and the Hamalayans issue, that was a hoax. That's a confirmed. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. I'm not into the Sasquatch thing.

I don't believe it. So I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. The wake and bake crowd was very much into that. So basically what the Sasquatch is, it's a great marketing story. It really is. There's never been a siting that's legitimate. That's the only one.

Also, it's not that hard to find anything on Earth. Like, there's satellites. There's like you could. and nobody goes off the grid anymore. So I'm freaking out about microchips. You can't go off the grid. It's over. You're always going to be able to grid. So, like, you can't, you can't find a saskwatch.

Of course you can find a saskatch. If you wanted to find one. Now, UFOs, there are enough sightings, and governments now are saying, we're not sure what it is. Now, what do I believe? I believe it's other governments that are ahead of us on some stuff and we're seeing pictures of it. There's definitely 1,000% aliens.

We are not the only intelligent life in the entire universe. That's such a human thing to say. I know. Well, I'm very human. I think that's it. And I think when they get down here, they're not going to be as smart as everybody thinks. I think they're going to get here,

take a look around and be like, let's get out of here. How come if they're so smart, they always crash when they get down here? Well, they fly through space and run into a tree in New Mexico. I don't think they're that smart. Sound like a bad driver.

I, for one, Joy Taylor, am cool with the alien community. That's Colin Cowher talking. So when you come to take over, I am the queen. I have got my questions. Do me no harm. Prove it to me.

I've been a supporter for a long time. I haven't. This goes double for the robots. We're definitely coming for us soon. Unfortunately, we're creating those. Yeah. All right. We're done for today.

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