The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 05/05/2021 - HOUR 2 - Packers

Episode Date: May 5, 2021

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Sports Radio. Ah, here we go. It is hour two on a Wednesday live in Los Angeles. It's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Thanks to all of you. We had our highest May Day ever on Monday. We were up 30, 35% in April.

It's like the pandemic. Knocked us down, but, you know, champs get back up. We don't have a glass chin. We've had an incredible streak of about 45, 50 days here at FS1 and Fox Sports Radio. So thank you very much. And Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, there's a, today in Milwaukee, they're probably saying coward hates us. Because I did say that the Packers are Mike Pence's hair and Aaron Rogers is the fly.

And I'm here for it. Well, Mike Pence does have a good head of hair. He does. Green Bay's got a good foundation. Yeah. But they're a little rigid and so is he. Look. you got to appreciate what you have while you have it. Isn't that what DeMonte Adams tweeted?

Yes. So I am going to show you, Wisconsin. I've always been supported the Badgers, that I am not turning on your state. I'll give you an example in the NBA. It's a very odd year. There's no favorite anymore. Once LeBron got hurt, there's no favorite. LeBron's like, I'm not going to be 100% again. Right. So Denver lost their second best player, the Celtics lack size and firepower. Donovan. Mitchell of the Jazz, I like them a lot, but he's hurt. Do you trust Chris Paul? I mean, Kauai's going to miss like 20 games. The Sixers, we still don't know about their chemistry. Brooklyn, no chemistry can't stop Biggs. Sons, I would love for them to get to the finals, but boy, that's a big leap. I think it's Milwaukee's year. In the last two weeks, I've watched

Milwaukee play three times, not the entire games, fourth quarters. It's Milwaukee's year. We do this all time. We forget that Michael Jordan won a title in year seven. LeBron won a title finally in year nine. It's year eight for Janus. We tend to dismiss people if they don't give us what we want when we want it. They did three things I really like. Number one, they went and got Drew Holiday, Total Pro, plays defense, and P.J. Tucker. Total pro playoff games plays defense.

So they're a much tougher team. They're a smarter team. They have veteran players. The second thing, and this sometimes just works out this way. They match up with the most talented team in the league, Brooklyn. They're a perfect matchup. They've got guys like Drew Halliday and PJ Tucker that are annoying to a James Harden, and Brooklyn can't stop Biggs. And the other thing is Janus is actually having a better year than last year,

but we've dismissed him because he didn't win when we thought he should win. And I look at him right now and I'm like, there's no pressure. Last two years, we have been sitting. here saying, all right, Milwaukee, let's go. There's a lot of pressure. Young team, a lot of pressure. No pressure. It's all on Brooklyn. It's on Philadelphia to figure this thing out. It's on Brad Stevens now is getting hit. Brad Stevens now up for college jobs. There's pressure on the Lakers. There's no pressure on Milwaukee. We've dismissed them. So I got no pressure. Yannis is playing better than ever. They're a smarter, more veteran-laden team with better defenders.

They match up fantastically with Brooklyn. And by the way, the bucks are number one in points per game and number two and three point percentage. Those sort of matter. So I honestly, watching them three times in the last, you know, several weeks, and I'm like, it's time. But for the record, I think they end up playing the clippers if LeBron's not healthy. And we dismiss the clippers because they weren't good on our schedule. Last year was the year and I am over them. And then you watch them and you're like, I don't really trust Paul George in the playoffs,

but if LeBron's hurt, I trust them more than Phoenix. I trust them more than Denver without Jamal Murray or a Portland or a Golden State if they sneak in. So I think it's Milwaukee's year. By the way, it may be a Mavericks thing. It may be a won and done. But that's okay. That's okay.

I think it. What will they say? If LeBron doesn't make it. What will they say? Well, you know, LeBron wasn't healthy. Well, I mean, let's be honest about this. Toronto won because Golden State fell apart. Yeah.

Golden State won a title because Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love fell apart. I mean, I'm not going to say that. Health. By the way, people are going to say that. Kansas City Chiefs got boat raced in the Super Bowl. Why? Because they didn't have their offensive tackles. I don't think you hold it against them.

If Milwaukee wins and LeBron's hurt, well, LeBron's old. Being healthy is part of the game. It's not a fluke injury. LeBron's like 50 now. I mean, how many years have been playing? So he's like, an old guy got hurt. Old guys get hurt. Believe me, I know.

You hit 50 and stuff breaks. Yeah, we've to put you in a bubble. Okay, so let's bring in Sam Ocho. Emmanuel Ocho, obviously, you speak for yourself. His brother played nine years in the NFL and like his brother. He is dashing. He is popping. That suit pops, my friend.

Nine years in the NFL, two-time Walter Payton, man of the year. So I was saying this earlier. From time to time, I'll throw out a goofy analogy. occasionally. I am often mocked for them. But I said, the Packers with Vince Lombardi, they were kind of America's first NFL royal family, right? Yep. And like all royal families, they're a little quirky, a little dysfunctional. My mom was British. She acknowledged, yeah, the royal family's weird. She grew up in England.

And Prince Harry was not going to be heir to the throne. And Prince Harry meets this beautiful girl, marries her and it says, tired of the rain, I'm tired of the formality, I'm tired of the tradition, this is not who I am, I'm going to move to Montecito and Beverly Hills. And I'm like, I get that. He was born into that. He didn't choose that. Aaron didn't choose the Packers. He was born into it. And Prince Harry and Aaron, probably early in their 20s, love the tradition. But as you age and become more independent, you strive for your own life, not the queens or not Green Bayes. And I look at Aaron and I think, I get it.

Hollywood girlfriend. He's looking at Brady going, we can't land a free agent. That guy's got, it's like the Globetrotters over there. It's like everybody can hit a half-court shot. And so my takeaway is, I think Aaron, as he's aged, I mean, you were in this league for nine years. Green Bay is different.

They're different than everybody, are they not? Green Bay is different, but Green Bay has been dominant. Green Bay has been dominant. Yes, you might say, well, they haven't won the Super Bowls that you'd hope for, but seven out of the last 10 years, they're NFC North champions. You could also say, well, the NFC North has been weak. But Green Bay has been dominant, in my opinion. When you look at the perennial teams that are consistently successful,

Green Bay would be put in there. And I would argue that it's largely part of Aaron Rogers. And so I get the royal family example, but my thing is when you start leaving, you might forget what you're missing. Now that's fair. You might forget that David Bacchiori, so I played for the Bears for four years. So I went against David Boktiari

every year, twice a year for four years. Those games were miserable because you weren't getting to the quarterback. He's the best pass-blocking tackle in football. He's the top five tackle in football, the best pass-blocking tackle in football, and you weren't getting to the quarterback on David Bactiari. Now, we would get there on a corner blitz, right?

Vic Fangio, we're blitz and corners, blitz and nickels. you'd get there that way, but you're not getting there one-on-one against David Boktiari. So Aaron Rogers has that protection. Now look at the back end, look at Aaron Jones, who's been phenomenal, young, and has been really, really good, right? So we always talk about the run game and the past game and great quarterbacks, but a lot of the greatest quarterbacks, they had a solid running game, that balance.

And then I look at Devante Adams and their relationship, right? I'm a big, I'm a big, like, kind of like relationship guy and friendship and time together. Devante Adams and Aaron Rogers, they have, it's almost like a same thing. six cents. It can't be argued. Like they know each other really, really well. No question. And people talk about how smart and intelligent Aaron Rogers is. Very few people talk about how smart and intelligent Devante Adams is. Devante Adams, he knows defenses before the ball's even snapped. And so he even looks at Aaron. I've been on the field watching this happen. I'm like, oh, here we go. I've been on the sideline looking at that little wink. Here we go.

So Aaron Rogers, if he decides to leave, he may be forgetting what he's missing in David Boktiari with protection, and Aaron Jones with protection for the running game, and also with one of the best, not even young receivers, but just solid receivers in the game in Devante Adams. And so, yes, the Packers are part of this royal family, one of the first original, yeah, they're quirky for sure. One of the original franchises, so I get that. And there can be some quirkiness in that, but it's still royalty. Well, it's interesting you mention this because I've thought a lot about this, the landing spot for him.

Like everybody says, Denver in hell, I don't want to play Mahomes twice a year and Justin Herbert. I'm going to throw, there's seven teams. Who is the writer, Alex, who did this today? Okay, Bill Barnwell is a very smart guy. He put seven teams up there to consider. And this is the one I really believe is Sam Ocho, by the way, for our radio audience here. he puts up Miami, Denver, Washington, Cleveland. I'm not sure the Packers won Baker-Mayfield, Titans, Raiders.

Sam, I want you to consider the New York Giants. Now, just for a second, now think about this. If you get rid of Aaron Rogers, I normally need picks, I'm going to get ripped for at least a year. I want a lot of picks now. Giants have two firsts, two thirds, two fourths. I could get both their firsts and Sterling Shepard. And they're pretty darn good defensively. So Green Bay goes, okay, we're going to get lit up on this for a year.

But next year I get three firsts. I bring in a number two wide receiver. And by the way, you could even do this maybe in season because New York still wants to know exactly what they have with Daniel Jones. Let's give them a camp in six games. Trading deadlines week 7, 8. Green Bay can say, Jordan Love's not ready. but give us seven games. The Giants are cut because now you could say,

well, to your point, Aaron doesn't know what he has. He would go to the NFL's weakest division. That's not terrible. It's not terrible. And New York, I can see where you're coming from with New York, right? It's a big market.

Kenny Goladay now, Sequin Barclay, a better defense than Green Bay, weaker division, that's interesting to me. It's interesting, but if I'm Green Bay, you talk about Sterling Shepard as compensation, you talk about these first round picks, you're losing your team, period. Aaron Rogers is Green Bay.

You don't need other receivers. You don't need a better defense. You don't need, yes, they granted, they had some trouble at corner. They drafted the first round cornerback this year. You need Aaron Rogers. And so if I'm the Green Bay Packers, I don't care if it's two first round picks, three first round picks. I can't afford, especially now.

Green Bay's had a quarterback for the last 25, 30 years. They've had the premier quarterback, especially now. I can't afford to give up Aaron Rogers. He is my team. I don't care what I get in return. Sam, if Jordan Love could play. So because of COVID, the media can't watch their practice. As I said yesterday, we've had more UFO sightings in a week than Jordan Love's sightings in a year.

Nobody knows. What it tells me, let's say Jordan Love was 75%, 80% Josh Allen, not that tall, not that arm. But there's something there. If he was like close to Joe Burrell, you know, we don't think Joe Burrell is Mahomes, but it's like, then this is not as frightening. What it tells me, if they're freaking out in Green Bay is, we whiffed on the pick. Dude can't play a lick.

My only disagreement with that. In the last, I don't know if it's 15 or so years, first round quarterbacks, they always play. Always. Whether they start as a rookie or week five, week six, I've been there. I was in Chicago with Mitch Trubisky where about week, week 10 or so,

you had to put them in the game. Fans were booing, put the rookie in. But last year in Green Bay, Aaron Rogers, Jordan Love, Jordan Love first round pick, didn't see the field. He didn't travel. Didn't see the field. And so what that tells me is, yes, Jordan Love,

maybe you could argue he's not what people think, or maybe just maybe Aaron Rogers is that dude, 50 plus touchdowns, MVP. Trust me, he's, like, so I'm a part of the NFLPA and one of the executive committee members. Like, I go to meetings with Aaron Rogers. We've negotiated with ownership. Like, I know this, and not only if I played against him,

but I've been in rooms with this dude. This dude competes. So he's not trying to go somewhere where number one, he's going to lose. And number two, you saw what happened. You want to draft a first round quarterback. Let me show you who I am. Let me go have an MVP season.

And so Green Bay sees that and knows that. They've got one waiting in the wings in Jordan Love. Let's give him his time. But there's nothing. There's nothing I would give up for Aaron Rod. Nothing. It doesn't matter. I don't need anything else.

He's our guy. Look, Tom Brady is now. in the NFC. I'm competing with Tom Brady. I can't, who else is going to compete with Tom Brady? It's interesting. So, of all these, I was not a big Mac Jones fan. My takeaway is, if you like Garapolo and San Francisco, but think he has a lower ceiling, why draft a guy with the lowest ceiling? So I wasn't into Mac Jones. I was in anybody but Mac Jones. Nothing against him. But at least Zach Wilson, I think, is going to struggle in New York.

But there's plays there like you're like, there's like a wow. factor. What do you make, because you've been in this league, you played for the Bears four years, the Arizona four years in the Bucks. How long does it take? You had Trebeski. How long does it take for players already in the league to watch a young quarterback and either say, bro, it's not very good, or damn, how long does it take? Two practices. Wow. That is crazy. Two practices. So, So my rookie year in Arizona, I didn't know, I went to the University of Texas. You know, Colt McCoy was our quarterback, winning his program, national championship, all those things. That's all I knew at quarterback.

I get drafted to the Arizona Cardinals, fourth round pick, hundred and third overall. I didn't know much about the team, didn't know much about their quarterback situation. We had a guy named John Skelton, who was our starting quarterback. Another guy named Max Hall. Once again, he competed for a starting spot. I was a rookie. I played defense. I was picking off those guys as a rookie

and not even an offense to those guys, but I would see balls get overthrown by 15 yards, 20 yards, 30 yards. It was like, whoa, these are the quarterbacks? Your college guy was better. My college guy was better. But once again, I'm saying, it's the NFL.

So we'll figure out a way to win and we'll be fine. I remember my rookie year, we were 5 and 11. We're on a fight back. Adrian Wilson, all pro safety, phenomenal player, great teammate, great friend. We're on a fight back and I'm like, hey, we're going to get it figured out. We're going to be fine. We're going to win. We just got to fight and band together. We call him Adub. Adub looked at me and said, Sam, do you see who our quarterback is? I said, no, no, Adub, it doesn't matter. We're going to be great. It's a team and defense and turn. Sam. He said, you watch practice, and you watch the games. Nothing is different.

We go and we trade for Kevin Cobb. because Larry Fitzgerald, star ride receiver, wanted his way. Aaron Rogers wants his way. I want this guy. I was there. I know Steve Comwell. I know Fitzwell.

These guys are my friends. Fitz wanted a quarterback. Hey, if you guys want to keep me, I need you all to get a quarterback. I want Kevin Cobb. He was the guy who was available, and he had been successful in the past. He came to Arizona.

Struggled. Struggled. No, the passes weren't 20 yards overthrown, but they weren't. I remember playing against Tony Romo. People love to bash Tony Romo. I remember playing against Tony Romo being in coverage, cover three. I was playing the hook curl. I had a perfect drop. There is a receiver. It may have been dead as running behind me. The way that he placed the ball inches over my hand, I said,

oh, this dude is a quarterback. I remember playing against Matthew Stafford. Now we switch teams. When he was in Detroit, once again, I'm dropping into coverage. My eyes were on the quarterback. I'm looking at him dead in his eye. We had the coverage was called three receiver hook. So I'm covering over number three, which is usually a running back. Running back stayed in the block. I said, this is going to be my opportunity to get an interception. I'm looking at him. He's looking at me.

I'm like, oh, this is my chance. I'm about to get a pick. He looks at me, and then all of a sudden he looks this way, and I start going this way, and he throws it back to the spot that I just left. That's quarterback play. Yeah. And so it takes two practices for you to see if your quarterback is the guy. And so, no, I'm not saying that, George,

Jordan Love is not the guy. I think he's talented. I like Trey Lance's ceiling in San Francisco. But once you see a guy, like, I'll say Tony Romo because I played against him. Once you see a guy like Matthew Stafford. You can't fake the locker room out. Once you see a guy like Aaron Rogers, I'm not giving him away. I don't care. Kyle Shanahan, he called, he did his due diligence when the rumors came out,

called Matt LaFore. Matt LaFore said, no. this is not a conversation. So we could talk about ideal trade scenarios and ideal destinations. Green Bay will not give him up. And oh, by the way, let's think about, you play chess or poker or whatever. Okay, what's his last out? People have said, well, he's going to retire. He's not going to retire.

He's too much of a competitor. Maybe he'll go to Jeopardy. Right, that's what people have said. What if Jeopardy wants someone else? Where are you going to go? What are you going to do? Aaron Rogers needs to stay, for his sake and his legacy's sake, he needs to stay in Green Bay.

Plus he's competitive. He's a competitor. He's not going to sit home in board shorts and hang out having a corona. That's not who he is. That's not who he is. This dude, I mean, from on the field to in the meeting rooms, I remember even ownership negotiations, right? Players, owners, these are billionaires.

Cowboys are $5 billion. Chiefs are $2.5 billion. Aaron Rogers makes $33 million, but it's not billion. he walked into the room and he said, I need to have my way. That's Aaron Rogers. Yeah. And so that's the dilemma we're seeing right now in Green Bay.

Aaron Rogers is Aaron Rogers, and rightfully so. Strong-willed guy. MVP. So he walks into the room and says, I need to have my way. And the team says, but A-Rod, we're trying to win. And I'm not going to go and get a Kevin Cobb, for the example earlier. Yeah. A guy who you want, who use your friend or who you like,

who you think is going to help the deal. team, my job is to pick the roster. Your job, and we'll do the best we can for you, but your job is to be the best quarterback in the league, and you've proven it time and time again. Let's find a way to figure this thing out. Yeah. Sam Acho, by the way, you've got a book out. Your brother's Emmanuel Acho, who has a book as well. What's your book? Yeah, so my book has let the world see you how to be real and a world full of fakes. It talks about what it means to be seen, to be known, but to be real. And if we're being real, Arod, listen to me. Stay in Green. Bay, let's be real for one second. Great scene again. Always. All right. Good stuff.

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They have Cleveland at five. I just don't think Baker-Mayfield personality-wise fits Green Bay. Am I being? Baker's trending right now, and it's mostly Brown's fans saying that they don't want Aaron Rogers. Well, then Brown fans are idiots. Brown fans are complete idiots. You trade Baker Mayfield for Aaron Rogers yesterday.

Any Brown fan that says that, just don't listen to him. That's ridiculous. This is... Of course, you do that tomorrow. Give me a break. Would you like me to read one of them? It was a tweet? Mm-hmm.

Yeah, let me hear a mouth breather number one. I can't be the only one that would rather have 10 years of Baker Mayfield over one to two years of Aaron Rogers, can I? Yeah, you are the only one. He's not. There's lots of likes and retweets on that one. I mean, honestly, and sometimes I wonder, like, I get this a lot. Do you even watch the games?

Yeah, watch all Cleveland games. The Cleveland Browns, the Cleveland Browns were better, the less, the fewer times Baker through. Look up the numbers. Like, he is not a guy that can carry you. Aaron can carry you. Nothing against Baker Mayfield.

I understand the loyalty, but. Sometimes you just can't take fan basis seriously. You just can't. I can't take... I didn't think today would be the day that a controversial take was that Aaron Rogers is currently better than Baker Mayfield. That's not what I woke up today. Everybody in the world thinks that.

Apparently not. That doesn't live in Ohio. Every human being that is either doesn't live in Ohio or has never lived there because a lot of people leave and go somewhere else. That is not a controversial take. Joy Taylor with the news. No. No. No.

Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Sponsored by Mercedes-Bets, the best or nothing. You know, I had a check because he was trending, so I assumed it had something to do with our show. Well, I know. We are the centerpiece, the driving force in all Baker-Mefield News.

Turns out it's just Browns fans trying to block Aaron Rogers from being traded there. So obviously, that's the talk right now, is Aaron Rogers and Packers and their disgruntled relationship. According to Diana Rusini, the Broncos appear to be more interested in Rogers than any other team and are going to put the most in front of Green Bay to make this trade go down. She also added the sentiment there and the feeling I get is deflated. They're absolutely deflated at this point.

We know they've been trying to fix this and trying to amend this, but they know this is up to a very strong, stubborn, smart quarterback named Aaron Rogers, who's going to do what Aaron Rogers wants to do. Well, Diana's source is, we said this during the draft. They took a shot of the draft room for the Packers. It looked. every other draft room was guys bear hugging and

bro hugs high fives Green Bay was like yeah definitely you can feel it definitely changed the story on draft day for the Packers the Fox bet odds

have Denver as the favorite to land Aaron Rogers of a trade goes down the Raiders are second Broncos minus 200 Seahawks 3rd Seahawks plus 700 Panthers plus 900

and the Saints plus 1100 God I'll tell you something Pete Carolyn Aaron Rogers That's not going to happen. But I'm Green Bay. If the call took place, I get Russell younger. If you're the Seahawks, why would you trade Russell for Aaron Rogers?

Well, I think Pete likes to kind of do what he likes to do. Well, Russ has a no trade clause, doesn't he? I'll tell you what, if I'm Russell Wilson, you can do worse than Devonte Adams and Aaron Jones and an organization that builds great old lines. Yeah, but I don't know if I'm leaving Seattle. He also played for the Badgers. Well, that's true. That's true.

There's also a report this morning that the Packers think some of the teams interested in trading for Rogers have violated league rules. What's that mean? Tampering. Oh, get over it, Green Bay. Good God. Tampering is the dumbest thing in sports.

It is the dumbest thing in sports. Well, they haven't filed a complaint yet, but Rob DeMovoski said the Packers are upset the teams like the 49ers and Broncos may have contacted Rogers to see if he's interested. I do think that it's we live in an era now where the tampering thing is kind of silly. It's called DMing. Yeah, our text message. I mean, it's just, get over that one.

People are going to communicate. That's a little silly. Didn't Adam Silver essentially just give up on that? You kind of have to. I mean, it's just, it's, it's kind of nonsense. There's so many ways that humans can communicate now that like, like you, like, so is it tampering if you call Aaron Roger's best friend and put it on speaker. You want to hear a story that's funny?

So when I was leaving the other place, so I had it in my contract, I couldn't contact another network before my... Are you going to tell on yourself right now? Yeah, it's okay. So I had like a 60-day window. I couldn't talk to another network until there was just 60 days left in my contract.

And of course I did. I was talking to Fox like a year out or whatever. And one of the ESPN Stiffs managers came up to me and said, you'll be very careful. I said, that's funny because you guys just extended your NBA contract before the window is allowed. And he's like, how do you know that? And I'm like, because I have Google and ESPN violated their window because other networks were going to buy in the NBA.

But ESPN renegotiated an NBA deal before there was a window opening. And you know what that ESPN manager did? cried and curled up on the floor and I stepped right over him. And then you laughed. Yeah, tampering is the tampering situation. It's too key tampering. So, Dak Prescott suffered a season-ending ankle injury seven months ago, but he believes he is nearly 100% when he was asked on Tuesday if he could take

the field now. If forced, he said, I'm in close. I mean, I can go playing the game right now and it might be very, very successful. So there's no doubt that when I need to be successful, when I need to do the things that it takes to be on the field, I'll do exactly that and the timing will be right. Best guy ever at the mic, Mike Tomlin, Dack, John Gruden, very short list. Spectacular.

I really think I'm with Sam Acho. I like to keep a real, but I do think that there's extreme value in certain occupations, NFL quarterbacks, presidents, high-level executives in having just a way of saying a lot of things and not saying much of anything at all. And people are going to push back on the president thing, but you can't handle the truth. I know you guys like to think like the politicians are all telling you the truth. They're not.

There's a reason why there's top secret agencies and, you know, you don't need to know everything. It's not for you. Just enjoy your life. But it's similar with NFL quarterbacks. If you have quarterback speak down your life as an NFL quarterback and head coach, coach is so much easier, just to be so boring. Derek Jeter, best I've ever seen. Playboy in New York for 20 years.

Never gave them a single quote. He was such a star. They just thought, ooh, I'm talking to Derek Jeter. Belichick does the same thing. Belichick was grumpy, though. He's a little more grumpy, but he still says nothing. Jeter, 20 years. Think about that.

Baseball seasons last eight months. Never gave them one contra. And he had controversial. He had Steinbrenner, he had A. Rod. There was always a controversy, and Jeter would smile and go. He's a good teammate, and thanks for flying United. Writers move away. New York Post is like, he's the man. It's a gift. It's a gift. It is a gift. It is a gift. Doc is great at it. But he is saying he's almost ready. I think he's going to be ready by the beginning of the season. It's why I'm not getting caught up in this whole NFCE disaster thing. It's going to be a different division.

So the Nets have lost back-to-back games to the Bucks. And Steve Nash is acknowledging the team is lacking something that Milwaukee possesses. We've got a gap to make up here. So we we understand that's a team that's been running the same offense and playing together same schemes on defense for years now, gone deep into the playoffs and that's something that we don't have. So how can we make up that gap? And that's kind of our life in a nutshell heading home here is we're trying to get everyone back to full health and we're going to try to overcome a lack of common experiences. Big three have played seven games together this season, five and two. Isn't that crazy?

When it's Kyrie Irving and KD on the floor, they're seven and eight. Now they are second in the east behind the Sixers, and they have six games left in the season. I was very, very, very high on the net's at the beginning of the season. You should have been. They were on fire and looked unbeatable. Yeah, I've since softens. I'm not quite as far as you yet.

It could be Milwaukee's year. Oh, I'm in the rowboat. I'm off the... Oh, yeah. I'm just looking at the water trying to determine if I want to put my toe in or not. I put a life preserver on weeks ago. I'm in the rowboat going to shore. Yeah.

I'm not going to be with a sinking ship. I'm out. Yeah, you bailed on the Nets a couple weeks ago. I don't know that I'm so firmly in the Nets boat, but I don't know if I can go with the Bucks either. Good stuff, Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Tyler Dunn used to cover the Green Bay Packers. We gave him our journalism award a couple years ago because he was willing to, to say uncomfortable and accurate things about the Packers and Aaron Rogers. They push back and he is now joining us live. So first of all, you confirm the report this morning of Bob McGinn and tell our audience what that report is. Right. As Bob, my former colleague there at the journal Sentinel reported, you know, players in these group text messages, you know, they're talking all the time.

And Aaron Rogers would pretty much openly mock Brian Goose. Utekins, the GM, and compare him to Jerry Krause, who we all remember from the last dance documentary and, you know, Jordan, Pipp, and all of them just, you know, making fun of Krause all the time. So, yeah, Bob had a first, but I checked in with a player and he said, yeah, that's absolutely true. Whoever he got that, it's, you can count on it. By the way, Aaron started rolling his eyes at Mike McCarthy's play calls and Mike McCarthy got whacked. I mean, there was some open hostility there. Now we hear about this hostility. Any chance the GM of the Packers goes and not Aaron?

That'd be one hell of a precedent to set, right? If you're the Green Bay Packers, I don't think they'd go that far. I don't think you can go that far. I mean, this is an old school setup that has worked for a very long time. The GMs pick the players, the coaches coached the players, the players play. And I think the Green Bay, I mean, they're thinking here was sound. Develop a quarterback when he's ready to go. You transition.

if anybody on planet earth knows why that works, it's Aaron Rogers. I mean, he sat for three years before he was able to play. And frankly, Colin, the ball is in Aaron Rogers court, literally. The ball is in his hand. As long as he plays at or near his 2020 level, I mean, he's the quarterback in Green Day as long as he dang well pleases. I don't get it. I mean, this is a dream scenario for a quarterback from the weapons they have everywhere,

the best left tackle in football. one of the best offensive lines, a top five back, a top receiver. Marquez Val de Scandlin. All he did was lead the NFL in yards per reception, a lot of young talent on defense. So if it's about football, it really doesn't make any sense. Obviously, it's about Jordan Love. Obviously, he just doesn't want to compete. You know, I said this.

It never felt like a perfect match. Aaron and well documented has struggled at times with his family. Why? His family's very traditional, very religious. Aaron's very contrarian. He has always been that. You've pointed that out in your articles, much to the chagrin of Packer fans and sometimes Aaron. Could I make the argument? It's Green Bay is not his nature. He is young, progressive, more Hollywood, more big city. They are traditional, paralyzed by irrelevance. They are frugal. You know, I said earlier, it's just the nature of these two, it was never going to be, you know,

a 35-year marriage, was it? It's been 16 years, right? It's been a long time that they've been together. You can only have so many steaks and chives and Swamico, I guess. And that's coming from somebody who loved Green Bay, Wisconsin. I love living there, man. It is underrated. The people are amazing, but it's been a long time.

And the way it was described to me, Colin, is he's just kind of tired of Green Bay, right? He just kind of wants to get out of there. And obviously the relationship with the general manager in his mind, It is past a point of no return. The Charles Robinson report, obviously, there's a lot of legitimacy to that that he's done. I don't think, I don't think there's reconciliation here. When you're out of Aaron Rogers' life, you are out of Aaron Rogers' life, right?

If you're on that list, you're on that list. There's no coming back. So unless this is all a ruse, right, unless this is all some magnificent ploy to get more money out of management and he does an interview with one of his friends months from now and says that was a bald bunch of smears. There's all a bunch of noise. Don't listen to that. I don't see that happening.

I think it's sincere. I think he's done it and he wants to go somewhere else. And it is a little surprising to me, Colin. You know, I thought that after he lived through the Breadf Farv thing and he saw the backlash locally from the fans when Farb was a Minnesota. I think the narrative means so much to Aaron Rogers in his life. Yeah. I thought that that would be something he never would want to touch, you know.

But the more you think about it, like he saw that Breadfarr have returned. to Lambeville field as a conquering hero a couple years down the line. So he'll get that moment. Fans, they'll open up their arms. They'll give him a big hug one day. His number will be retired, all of that. But in the moment right now, he sounds like a guy that wants to get out. I mean, in the span of 72 hours, the leaks were nonstop. It was one thing after another. And I can promise you, it's not coming from the Packers. The Packers don't really want the world to know that their franchise player wants to get the hell out of it. That's a good point. By the way, of all the teams,

I'm going to throw out the Giants because they have two first, two thirds, two fourths next year. They could give Green Bay literally a first, a second, a third, and a fourth, and they'd still have a first, a third, and a fourth. And they could give them more. They could give them a Sturting Shepard. So that's my takeaway. Your thoughts on the Giants and give me a team you think he fits with very quickly. You know, gut feeling more than anything, I think there's a magnetic pull, you know, to the West Coast.

Yeah. I think that even if it's Denver, it's a quick flight to California if he wants to do, you know, whatever he wants to do out in Hollywood. And let's not forget Devante Adams is going to be a free agent in the year. Robert Tunning is going to be a free agent in the year. Maybe he's doing the LeBron stuff in his head and thinking he can kind of attract guys to Colorado. And Denver can give up a lot, right? Denver could give up a lot to Green Bay picks, assets, all that,

because they might be able to get a lot and return down the road. By the way, Giants. Give me a reason why the Giants, Tyler would not be good. I just wonder about the culture that Joe Judge is building there. to players in New York. You know, I got to know Logan Ryan really well for a story to go along this past year. I mean, it is really from the ground up, a lot of discipline. It's very, very old school, very old school.

I'm not so sure that jives with what Aaron Rogers wants. That's good. When, Tyler, do you think a deal could get done? What is your guess? You know, post-tune first, obviously, you know, that's half of the cap hit. It makes a lot more sense then. If I'm Green Bay, you know, I don't know what you're waiting for. I don't know once you get to that point.

I don't think Aaron Rogers is just going to change his mind. He is dug in. And at some point, you have to ask yourself, if you're Brian Gutikens, if you're Matt LaFleur, your management here, Mark Murphy at the top, how much are you willing to put up with? You know, Michael Jordan, we all saw the doc, Kobe Bryant, you know, you put up with a certain amount. You do. It's worth it. It's absolutely worth it for a talented transcendent Hall of Famer. At what point is enough enough?

I mean, I have to think that they're getting to that breaking point. All right, why don't you go to his side. He's got great stuff. That's why we bring him on go longtd.com. Go longtdey.com. Tyler Dunn, founder, writer, and the 2019 recipient of the Hertz Big J. Journalism Award. That's up there with Kronkite.

Okay, people, that is so highly coveted from journalists in America. Hey, Tyler, great stuff. You do terrific work. Thank you so much. They appreciate you, Colin. Thanks so much for having me on. You bet. He's tied in.

He's not one of these. palm-pom-waivers. He'll tell you the truth. And he was rough on him a couple years ago. He said, this whole Aaron thing ain't working. And he broke that story that Aaron literally responded to the article. It had such good information. By the way, when people win that award, a lot of people just retire. It's a standard that you cannot surpass at any point. Black Riflecoffee.com, the code has heard, H-E-R-D. That code gets you 20% off their coffee club. And that's how you sign up, Get it roasted package sent to your place. Black Rifle Coffee.com, Code Herd, H-E-R-D, join their coffee club.

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