The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 05/12/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: May 12, 2021

Colin shares his excitement about the release of the NFL schedule by highlighting his favorite games from week 1 and why the NFL continues to separate itself from other pro leagues. He points out the main difference between the Lakers and the Knicks as we gear up for the playoffs. He tosses the old fashion and overly complex “QB Tiers” by putting each NFL QB into 2 very simple categories. Plus, former Washington tight end Chris Cooley joins the show to tell Colin if Tim Tebow really has a chance to succeed after not playing in the NFL for almost a decade.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Not only is the herd brought to you by Jersey mic subs, be a sub above. They bring sandwiches on Wednesday. But tonight is the NFL schedule release. I'm into it. You know how, you know, this stuff works for me. Schedule release, draft stuff. I like building stuff. And I just love the NFL schedule release tonight.

We're going to have a party at the herd grotto tonight. Joy Taylor is joining me. I love this stuff. The week one schedule is already out, fired up. Well, you also have a lot of theories around the schedule. Like playing win loss is my favorite game. Like you just go down, like win, win loss, one loss. You don't cross check or anything.

Like that's whatever your fan does. But you have a lot of theories around how the schedule plays out. I do. So the NFL has released its schedule. And let me just say this. The NFL is really smart. They do a couple of things really well. They understand that they're a television show.

So they spread their events out and make them events. Every month has an event. You got free agency. You got the draft. You got the combine. You got the preseason. You got the schedule release. I mean, they put it right in the middle of the week, Wednesday, knowing that guys like me are going to talk about it today, Wednesday, tomorrow Thursday, and some guys talk about it Friday.

Put it right in the middle of the week. They drop it right before the NBA playoffs because sports is going to get a little cluttered here next week. So they put it right. They think about everything. And then when the NFL does have problems, they address them quickly. I mean, Major League Baseball has a three-year problem. I don't know. Feels like a big deal.

Nobody can hit anymore. You may want to address it. Crickets. NBA lost a third of its audience last two years. Stars don't play in the biggest games. You may want to address it. NFL changed their catch rule before the Super Bowl. Like in the game.

Like we've got to make this better on television. So the schedule today is perfect. They think about everything. They think about everything in the NFL. Great example. Cowboys Buccaneers. So you get the biggest brand in the NFL against the best team.

And it's also, I think, going to be a competitive game. Because the Cowboys' offensive line is old, and you don't get 17 games out of it. But in week one, little Super Bowl win hangover for Tampa loving themselves. They got the feels for themselves. Here comes Dallas. Zeke's healthy, O-line healthy,

competitive football game. But just look at how thoughtful they were here. So Jets Panthers is a 1 o'clock game. Now, if you played that joy in week nine, nobody cares. But Sam Darnold faces the team that dumped him week one and faces his heir apparent week one. Hell yeah, I'm watching. That's exactly when you put that. That game is less interesting every week.

By week six, nobody cares. But they put it week one. They thought about it. Seahawks at the Colts, two Super Bowl contenders. Browns at the Chiefs. AFC championship contenders. Oh, Dolphins Patriots. When is Belichick most vulnerable?

September. That's his history. So they bring in Brian Flores. It's Belichick against his protege. It could be two against Mac Jones. Then they go, Packers Saints, two massive brands. They collide. Plus, we all want to watch that, right?

Fox puts that the late game. Aaron Rogers, even if he's there, he hates the team, he hates the GM, he's all upset. and then you go Monday night. Oh, by the way, Bears Rams, NBC. Why is that matter? First of all, Chicago, L.A., huge markets. But why it matters is because Matt Stafford and Sean McVeigh, there is a feeling in Vegas in the betting community.

Stafford's going to have a massive year. So the NFL doesn't want to wait to start that story. The NFL week one, they're going to put at night on NBC, they're going to put Matt Stafford and McVeigh. Week one, Sean McVeigh has been a great September coach, a bunch of new tricks like Andy Reed in the offseason. He's a very good play designer. Suddenly you got Stafford with a big win.

Stafford with a lot of points. It's not going to be cruddy weather. Bears in L.A., big brand, Matt Stafford, Sean McVe. And the story's rolling. Then Monday Night Football, John Gruden used to broadcast on it. John Gruden and the Raiders host the Ravens. By the way, if the Raiders were at Baltimore, it could be a blowout. But in Vegas, so you're going to get the,

Cowboys against the Super Bowl champs, Vegas, Los Angeles. Here's the other thing. Here's how smart they are. This is a true story. What I'm about to tell you is a true story. And this is where the NFL works very well with their TV partners. So the 4 o'clock window, 425 on Fox, they have the Broncos game against the Giants and the Packers game. Color me

non-coincidental. If Aaron Rogers does go to the Broncos, Fox doesn't have to change the games. Fox has them both. So if Aaron goes, I'm going to Denver. Get me out of here. Fox has both the Green Bay game and the Denver game.

They cover themselves. That is thoughtful. That is smart. Years ago, not many years ago, two or three years ago, two or three years ago, I'm not going to say the network, but one of the networks literally had to call Major League Baseball about their schedule. I'm not going to tell you who. I'm not going to tell you the network, Fox.

We had to call Major League Baseball and say, you know, can we help you with your schedule? Why are you putting all these like Cub Cardinal Dodger Giant games in the week? Why don't you put your biggest rivalries on the week end? The TV network had to go to the sport and tell them how to schedule. In the NFL, the NFL knows how to schedule, but they work were their television partners. I would guess putting a Bronco Packer game back-to-back same time slot is protection hedging your bet if Aaron goes to Denver. I don't think it's a coincidence.

Maybe it is. But nobody wants in the media loves to give the NFL credit because the NFL doesn't need the media and the media wants to be needed and they don't need you. They don't need me. They don't need anybody. but they are so much smarter and better run. Just with their schedule, they thought of everything. To put Darnold against the Jets in week one is brilliant.

That game is useless potentially by week six when the Jets are one and five. It means nothing. But in week one, a little revenge game for Sam Darnold at home against the team that dumped him. I'm watching. I'm watching. Really smart. All right. One team got a terrible break. I'll get to that later.

But let's start with this. So the Lakers Knicks played last night. It was actually a really entertaining game. It was a really, I've watched a couple back-to-back Nick games. They're feisty and fun. And it was a big, meaningful win for the Lakers because New York's a real team. And they won it in overtime. LeBron didn't play.

Dennis Schroeder didn't play. Alex Caruso got hurt very early. 80 was down 100%. And they beat a feisty New York Knicks team. It was also a game that highlighted the problem with the New York Knicks. The New York Knicks, it's a baby step league. You don't go from the Knicks crappy to winning the title. Same with the Phoenix Suns this year.

This game really highlighted the New York Knicks. They just don't have enough juice. You play hard in the NBA. It's a classic Tom Fibito team. He grinds his players. The practices are longer. They play more minutes. They play harder.

That wins you 45, 50 games in the regular season. But teams are exhausted by the football. postseason and his teams lack juice and energy in the postseason. And if you looked at the Knicks last night, I mean, this is what is going to be their problem in the playoffs. Derek Rose, old rickety Derek Rose is often their leading or second leading score. So it was like Julius Randall, Derek Rose, and the rest of the team shot 13 of 38. Meanwhile, the Lakers are built for the playoffs.

And a prime example is, A, we know they have experienced. in the playoffs. B, they have a coach who's experienced in the playoffs. But if you look at the box score, you had Anthony Davis dropping 20. Andre Drummond dropped 16. Kyle Kuzman gave you 23. Horton Tucker gave you 13. And LeBron and Schrooter didn't play. So you had two more guys in double figures. With the Knicks, Julius Randall 31, Derek Rolls 27, and a bunch of guys with two and four. So you can't win in the playoffs when you're, when you need juice. You need guys who could You need five guys who can drop 20. The Lakers are really built for the playoffs.

And last night was a great example for the Lakers. That's why they're going to be a playoff team. And I think they're going to be a really good playoff team as long as LeBron is like 85, 90% healthy. They just got a bunch of guys who can create their own shot or give you 20 on any night. And the Knicks don't. It's kind of Julius Randall, cross your fingers. RJ Barrett's young and hot. Last night he couldn't shoot.

So it showed you a lot last night. It showed you the Knicks have a foundation. They play hard, but boy, you can see their ceiling. They struggled last night late in the fourth quarter and overtime to get shots. They struggled to get shots. Well, guess what? Milwaukee in the East, like the Lakers last night, they play real defense. I mean, Philadelphia can play real defense.

Ben Simmons up there on defense. So now Brooklyn doesn't play any defense, but Milwaukee does. Miami Heat's historically Spolstra teams do. The Knicks have a real ceiling and you saw it last night. And the Lakers, without two of their three best players, won a game, a bunch of guys jumped in and scored.

That shows you why they haven't been a good regular season team, but why they're built for the playoffs. Can't wait. It was a very, very entertaining game. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, the I-Hard Radio app.

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He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us

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Cleveland got a bad break. They got the worst break in the league. Cleveland's a good football team. I think they're the best over-bett. Nine and a half wins. I think they're a 10-11 win team. They got a terrible break. Andy Reid is the best September coach in football.

That's who the Browns open with at Kansas City. Patrick Mahomes under Andy Reid in September is 10 and 0 with 32 touchdowns and zero interceptions. It is the last place you want to play Kansas City. Andy Reid's the best NFL coach in September and he's the best NFL coach off a buy and week one is essentially off a buy. Andy Reid buries his play sheet until week one. Go ask Belichick. He's humiliated Belichick. in September. Also, Cleveland's going to have eight or nine new defensive starters.

So in week nine or ten, this is a tug-of-war. This is a real game. In week one, nine new defensive starters against the best game play designer in the NFL and the best quarterback at home. Now, the good news, Cleveland, you're used to not winning in week one. You haven't won a week one game in 17 years, so you'll be 0-1. And you'll overcome it because you're a really good team. you have a really good coach, but that is a bad scheduling break. You know, again, Pittsburgh is not a team that I'm fond of this year, but in week one, they're healthy. Big Ben's at his best early.

He deteriorates these old quarterbacks get worse late, right? Big Ben in September, he'll give you a game. Pittsburgh would be better served because they don't have a bunch of new defensive faces. Pittsburgh would be better served to go to Kansas City and compete week one. Not a team with nine defensive starters that are learning a system from other teams, young. This is a bad break for Cleveland. I still think they're a really good team next year.

This is Baker Mayfield, just to show you Cleveland's history in week one, Baker Mayfield has two starts week one. He lost 43 to 13 and 38 to 6. So I'm not going to do a blazing five, but I will bet some games today. Uncle Colin doesn't. not waste opportunities to make some lettuce. If I did a blazing five today, because the lines often never get better on Fox Bet, here's the best lines.

Seattle plus three at Indianapolis. Seattle tends to be, again, same coach, same quarterback, many of the same weapons. Indianapolis has a new quarterback. And so, and their best young receiver, Michael Pittman's never worked with Carson Wentz. I think the Colts are going to be really good. I don't know how good they're going to be in week one. Last year they lost to the Jags in week one. So I would take Seattle in the points in week one.

Atlanta minus one and a half. Now, you know Atlanta burns me every year, but Atlanta actually got beat up last year. Atlanta now adds Kyle Pitts. They get Arthur Smith a really, really smart, offensive mind is their head coach. And they face a Philadelphia team at home. They only have to give up, put it up again, only have to give up one and a half points. I think Atlanta is a really good bet. I think the Philadelphia Eagles made just an egregiously bad hire at head coach.

I would take Atlanta minus one and a half against Philadelphia. I would actually take the Cowboys plus four and a half against Tampa because that line is probably going to get bet up to about five and a half. Brady is going to get a lot, curry, a lot of the favor of the general public. People are going to say, oh, Cowboys are going to get blown out. Not in week one. Not really in week one. When you win the Super Bowl and you're having parades and you're throwing the trophy around the Tampa Bay, week one, you could be a little sluggish, little Super Bowl hangar.

Oh, Richmond. That's hard to get guys, you know, motivated for week one. And Dallas's offensive line, and Zika will be healthy week one. Dax's got a lot to prove. He's got a big new contract. Dak wants to prove he can compete. He's worth the money. I would take Dallas and the points. Chargers at the Washington football team. Now, I like the Chargers a lot this year. But they have a brand new offensive line and a brand new coach, and they are facing Ron Rivera's defensive front, which is outstanding. So you're taking the Chargers, who I think you're going to be really good, that is a tough opener. On the road, six-hour flight, veteran head coach, the system's already implemented. And you got Brandon Staley, who's very, very good,

but boy, oh boy, that's a lot to chew off in week one. I'd probably take the Washington football team. It's a pick-um. And Kansas City minus four and a half against the Browns, that number's going to end up five or six. That's the best number you're going to get. Kansas City's going to curry a lot of favor with the betters. So I would take Kansas City minus four and a half. That's today I think the best bets on the board. What do I know, except everything?

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I'll bet you a perimenopausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with the Adamani Areva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate Midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden, I'd had hanginess happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that?

I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How high can it be? I'm getting naked at 50 with the new guy. That one's kind of hard, you know?

Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears, or tears of laughter, and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, How Hard Can It Be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? This is Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.

And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick.

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Obviously, Urban Myers is the one behind this. Not everybody in the Jags building is thrilled with this, Darlingston said. They don't think that it's necessarily sending the proper message to the rest of the team in the locker room and the guys trying to make the team. That was my question yesterday. What's the message? And I do think Jacksonville's Gator territory. So it will be accepted in Jacksonville. It would be laughed at in New York, laughed at in L.A., laughed at in Denver.

Big cities would just roll their eyes, laughed at. but I do think in the South in Jacksonville, which is really a better college football town than a pro football town, you know, people will buy into it. But Urban Meyer went on the Chris Collinsworth podcast yesterday and extrapolated, kind of gave the story context, which I thought was a smart thing for him to do. We have not signed to him. There's a thought going around. You know, he was in the best shape of his life, asked to see if he could work out with a couple of our coaches. I wasn't even there. And they came back to me and said, wow, this guy's in the big crows.

incredible shape. And I said, then I went another time and watched him try him out. And they said, go work on these things. He comes back later. They try him out again. I'm not there. And they come in and said, wow, you know, this guy's ball skills. He's a great athlete. He looks like he's 18 years old, not 20, whatever he is, 33. And I said, guys, you don't understand. Now, this guy is, you know, he's the most competitive maniac you're ever going to talk to. And let's give it a shot. Tim was also the most competitive maniac in minor league baseball and in better shape than anybody at AA. He still couldn't hit. Tim was in the best shape I've ever seen any NFL quarterback.

Remember that shot when he was walking in the rain in New York with his shirt off? And he couldn't throw football. If being in great shape got you to the pros, then every HGH and steroid freak at Gold's gym would be in the NFL. but they all walk like this because they're stiff and they're over lifted and they're not athletes. They just look good with their shirt off and Tim looks great with his shirt off. I'll give an example. T.O. is still ripped at 47. Shannon Sharp at 52 and Ocho Cinco.

T.O. as one of the best NFL bodies of all time. He tried out for the Seahawks in his late 30s. He took his shirt off, worked out, and he looked the part. But he couldn't separate. And T.O. at one point was a great NFL player. Tim Tebow was bad. I know he had a win streak. I know. We all know. But he is a notch below Taysam Hill athletically. And Tassum Hill, in my opinion, not a franchise quarterback. This is not anti-God or anti-Tibo. It's pro-reality. Is that if being in shape mattered or being. a maniac mannered, well, then Tim Tebow would have been a star in baseball and a star in football. It doesn't matter. Tim Tebow is 6-2. There are no 6-2 tight-ins in the NFL, especially now. He's never played tight-end. He was not particularly athletic when he did play. He was just,

he had a dream, he had a love, he had a passion, but he was a 4-740 guy. That's not Cam. That's not Kyler Murray. That's not. not Lamar Jackson. Justin Herbert, bigger, stronger, faster, better arm, faster. Justin Herbert's a much better athlete than Tim Tebow in every box. But Justin Herbert hasn't put his faith out there. He didn't win a Heisman. He didn't win a national title. He's not iconic. He's just way better at everything. So it's not anti-timed. But if, you know, you can wear the chef jacket and you can buy new knives. Doesn't make you Bobby Fleigh. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

So anyway, the USA Today yesterday, this was a barnyard musical. They came out with this quarterback tier thing. It was just a hot mess. They had like 32 categories. And I made fun of it all day yesterday. It was bad. Listen, new rule. No more quarterback tears. Here's the new rule. rule. We're going to view quarterbacks in two camps. You can pull a roster or you get pulled. You're a truck or a trailer, as Bucky Brooks says. A truck can pull a bad defense to the playoffs. A truck can pull a bad GM. I mean, Andrew Luck got to the AFC championship with two pro bowlers and a bad GM that got fired and a coach that got fired. That's a truck. There's five or six trucks at quarterback. Let's simplify this. You're a truck or a trailer.

Here are the trucks. They can pull bad GMs, goofy coaches, Tom Brady, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rogers, Russell, Wilson, Deshawn Watson, and I don't know Deshawn's future. Everybody else is a trailer. Now, what about Lamar Jackson? No, he needs a defense. He's not really great playing from behind. He's not right now going to win shootouts, but he's close to it. Everybody, Derek, Matt Ryan, they're good.

Nobody's denying it. But they can't overcome bad defenses. Baker Mayfield, the Brown's better when he throws fewer times. Those are the trucks. Six in the world. Now, now, I think there's four people to keep your eye on young people. We don't know yet. Justin Herbert and Kyler Murray look like potential trucks.

I think they may be. Joe Burrow, I don't think he is, but give me 10 more starts. Trevor Lawrence feels like the first quarterback since Andrew Luck, and you know how much I loved Andrew Luck at Stanford, Trevor Lawrence feels like he could overcome some problems. I talked to Davos-Sweeney last night on the podcast, and I asked him, I said, you recruit all these guys. You recruit all these guys. I said, what was Trevor Lawrence like? He goes, I went to the first practice, and David Shaw, the Stanford coach, came out to me, he said, coach, I don't know who your quarterback is, but I know who's going to start. year for you. That's the best high school quarterback I've ever seen. And David Shaw had Andrew Luck.

So I think Trevor Lawrence, let's wait and see how it plays out. But those four, I don't think Burrow is, but I want to see 10 starts. Herbert and Kyler Murray looked like, yeah, I think we got something. And I do think Trevor Lawrence, who I saw as a junior in high school live in San Diego, he just, against the other five-star quarterbacks, looked like a college quarterback at 7.5. team. So none of this nine tiers of quarterbacks. And everybody's trying to get a truck. Almost everybody ends up with a trailer. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in

noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. He played for a decade in the NFL multiple time pro bowler and has more catches than any tight end in the history of the Washington football team, which is saying something because they were great in the 70s and 80s. He's Chris Cooley. Also, by the way, went to the same college as Jordan Love, Utah State. If you're talented, the NFL will find you. They will find you.

And Chris Cooley now joining us live from Cody, Wyoming. That looks like Cody Wyoming. You got a good hoodie on there. You got a log cabin thing going on. How are you doing? Got a log cabin going. I'm doing great. It's always a pleasure to be on with you.

And we're doing awesome out here. had fun watching the draft and everything that's been going on lately and keeping up. The internet makes it really easy, even though it's pretty slow here. So let me ask you, my takeaway on the tight end position has never been truly respected. It's always been like the last or next to last in terms of payment. You know, Tony Gonzalez was racking up huge touchdowns and yards, and he wasn't paid like a receiver. He was paid like a guy who blocked. And so when Tebow says, I want to be a tight end.

I think, oh boy, that's a little disrespectful to the position. As a great tight end, you hear Tebow just wants to try out as a tight end. What is your thought on that? I don't have any problem with it. I think, first of all, Urban Meyer and Tebow are very close, so it makes sense that Urban would give his guy a shot. Tebow's a heck of an athlete. You know, when I look at this position, I watch it year in and year out, there's 20 guys

that are good. There's 10 that are outstanding. But you get to the twos and threes on a lot of teams, and there's a lot of guys that, in my opinion, shouldn't be on the field or are just filling a role. And so can Tebow do that and kind of find his way into things? Maybe. We'll find out.

There's a lot of nuance to the position. Yeah, I mean, let's talk about that. A quarterback to tight end transitioning. I mean, I just think to myself, Tim Tebow, hand in the dirt, blocking a defensive end, that's what comes to me. You better have his mouthpiece in. I mean, what, what, what will be the one or two things that are, we don't talk about that he's going to have to figure out? See, I just don't know if you put Tim Tebow's hand in the dirt. It's almost like all of these new quarterbacks coming in

that have never played under center. You don't transition them to a complete undercenter quarterback. To me, he's more of an H-back. If you want Tim Tebow to play tight end for you, he's that move position. You're putting him in a slot every once in a while. You're putting him in the back field, you're letting him kind of move around. You're letting him stay in an up stance. Now, as it comes to blocking, he's got a lot to figure out there. Toughness, I think Tebow has. And so I appreciate that. And I think he'll have a chance there. But you start talking about simple footwork and leverage and understanding how defensive ends and outside linebackers play and where you want to put your hands on them, what your hat placement needs to be,

or your helmet placement needs to be, all those little things that manipulate a defensive end are things that guys pick up over time, and we'll see. Maybe he can. I think he'll be an okay route runner. I think he's athletic enough. Quarterbacks can always catch very well. They catch more balls than anywhere else because everyone's got to throw it back to him every time.

That's a good point. A couple of things to talk about. So some issues here. Washington, I've said they're the enigma in the league. So good defense, playoff team, weak division. They should make it again. what I wouldn't do at quarterback is get a gunslinger who loses me games I've outcoached the team with Ron Rivera. And they get Ryan Fitzpatrick.

And I think, no, no, no. Just give me Teddy Bridgewater. I can win 11 games with Teddy Bridgewater. My defense will keep us. I mean, Alex Smith didn't play particularly well. I went five and one last year. Explain the Ryan Fitzpatrick's our guy quarterback on this roster because I don't get it. Colin, I don't know if I totally get it either.

And that doesn't mean that I don't like Ryan Fitzpatrick. I respect him. I think he's incredibly bright. He's intelligent. He makes a ton of throws. I mean, amazingly enough, the last couple of years, this QBR has been really pretty high. But I'm with you.

I think this team is the team that needs a quarterback. And I don't know, is Fitzpatrick this year? Is it maybe next year? But they had a chance to move up and probably take a guy where there was some talent around the quarterback. They have a really, or they have a very good defense. They have great weapons with Terry McLaurin. and Antonio Gibson and Logan Thomas came on last year.

And I think you could have protected a young quarterback if you went up and got him this year. It'll be interesting what Fitzpatrick does in a Scott Turner offense. You know, watching them last year, they didn't really take a lot of shots down the field. And I didn't know if that was all by design or just not knowing if the quarterback could do it. I mean, it was crazy watching Alex. So I'll be interested if he could just play ball control because that's really what the guy's going to have to do. or needs to do if they want to win eight, nine, ten games. So you were with Kyle Shanahan when he was the coordinator in Washington.

He is now the coach of the Niners. What is Trey Lance? How complex is the offense? How long does it take to master, Trey Lance, master a Kyle Shanahan offense. You would know. I think there's a ton to Kyle Shanahan's offense. But what Kyle's going to do is slowly build around what Trey Lansans, does very well. If you think back to 2012, they remastered the Kyle Mike Shanahan offense for

Robert Griffin and became a zone read type offense. And that was kind of pre-RPO. They'll take their time with him. They'll get him in a lot of the boot stuff where he's able to make, you know, one side of the field type reads, go top of the progression down, easy stuff there, let him use his legs if he needs to use his legs. And it'll be a slow build. I think back to that offense with Robert. And it was a really successful offense, which was changed completely. The only hard thing for Robert was some of the third down concepts and some of the third down defenses that he faced or that he had to see. And I'll never forget, Kyle saying, Robert, if you don't like it, you're the checkdown. And Trey Lance has the ability to do that. I mean, it's he's not running into.

end zones with penguins written in it. Yeah. But he's playing against real NFL dudes. I think he'll adapt okay. And Kyle will do an excellent job, slow playing it. So he understands it and plays within his grasp. You went to the same school as Jordan Love. A couple days ago, the GM of the Packers said he's got a long way to go.

Obviously, you want to support people from Utah State where you went to school. But, you know, it's funny, Jordan Love had 32 college starts. That's Chris, that's a lot. I mean, some of these guys, Kyler Murray was playing baseball half the time. He got 15. He's got 32 college starts, and they say, quote, he's got a long way to go. That makes me think, ooh, boy, maybe he wasn't a first round quarterback. Or am I being too harsh?

I think he has a long way to go. Some of the intangibles make him a first round quarterback. I haven't had a chance to meet Jordan and play catch with Jordan. He's a big kid. He has a big arm. He's smart. He likes ball. But it's amazing.

I was there his junior year where he, I thought he had an excellent year and spending some time talking with that coaching staff, who's now at Texas Tech. They had a lot of non-play calls just look to the sideline and give the receiver a number. And sometimes it wasn't even the entire group of receivers. And he switched his senior year to a new staff and with Gary Anderson as a head coach. And it was still, you know, really simplistic. I thought he pressed his senior year. But essentially, Colin, he hasn't really run offense with. language. And so when you're talking about what is Matt LaFleur's offense, which is really

Kyle Shannon or Sean McVeigh's offense to some extent, that's the West Coast language, that's where he's got a long way to go. I mean, you get these guys that they got to repeat 16 words back into the huddle after the coach puts it in their ear, and they have to be able to do it fast and fluently. So a long way to go is not just seeing things, understand. It's also of being able to lead in the huddle. Finally, Chris Cooley joining us. Aaron Rogers, you listen, it's, you know, I remember 10 years ago when I said, I used to work at the other company, and I said, listen, I think he's kind of condescending

and prickly. I just, I watch him. I watch his body language. I think he's great, but I don't think he's got, you know, he's not Russell Wilson, Mr. Optimism or Tom Brady. He's a little bit of a, his contrarian to what you think the quarterback leadership, you know, things should be. And it's okay.

By the way, there's a lot of different ways. to do it. But when you watch that whole thing just erupt, as a guy who played at a pro-bowl level in the NFL, how do you solve it? Can you solve it? What do you make of the whole mess? Yeah, to me, it's kind of like Will Ferrell playing Alex Trebek trying to deal with the Saturday Night Livecast. Look, I think both parties seem to be a fault a little bit. You know, I always go back to, you agreed to play here, you sign the deal, the fans, the community, the players, so many people are depending on him as a Green Bay Packer.

I do understand where he's saying, then trust me if everybody's doing that. Believe in me, don't trade up and get Jordan Love. And as far as the Packers, you didn't need to do it. I mean, it worked out with Brett Farrb when they went and got Aaron Rogers. But he was, that year, he was essentially the last first round guy on their board when they took Aaron Rogers. They traded up for Jordan Love. And to me, that's taking a little bit of shot at your quarterback who is the MVP of the league. I mean, it's going to have some more good years.

Like, I really never understood that move. And I do like Jordan. I see how that really would frustrate Aaron Rogers. And we're at a point now where these guys, some of the. These guys make so much money that if he does want to hold out, it's going to cost him a ton of it. Yeah. But I think he can afford it.

And so it puts both of them in a really bad situation. Now, Aaron's got to pay a ton of money. He's going to look bad to all the fans. And Green Bay is losing their MVP quarterback if he doesn't show up and play. Yeah, they're both kind of trapped in a weird way because they still own his rights. He could retire. But, you know, when you were in your prime, you don't want to retire. I mean, did Washington give you a heads up if they ever drafted a tight end when you were in

your prime. Did they ever draft one? Yeah, they drafted Fred Davis in the second round out of USC. But tight-ins a little bit different because you're talking about an offense, realistically, if you can have the best 11 guys on the field, that's what you want. To me, that was never intimidating. I thought, you know, having that kind of guy could help out. And that was kind of in the era of Grunkowski and Aaron Hernandez when New England had two outstanding guys on the field. You don't have to compete against just, the tight end. You're competed to be on the field with all the backs, all the receivers. So it didn't truly bother me. But no one did give me a heads up.

Nobody gave you a heads up. It was after my first Pro Bowl, I was like, oh, I guess I need to play better. I'll pick it. No, it didn't hurt my feelings. It was interesting, but didn't hurt my feelings. Good seeing you, buddy. I'm glad you're happy. I always love when I see you on my schedule coming on the show. We don't have you on enough. Good seeing you. It's always good to see you. Colin, thanks. You bet. Chris Cooley, really good guy, former Washington Tide End. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.

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