The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 05/25/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: May 25, 2021

After Aaron Rodgers spoke about his relationship with the Packers, Colin explains why this has evolved into an unsalvageable situation. He identifies which NBA team in the playoffs right now is clearly a mirage based on their past “success”. He also has bad news for Packer fans and the reality they are facing when it comes to contending for another Super Bowl. Plus, 2x All Pro running back Christian McCaffrey joins the show to talk about his new QB Sam Darnold and his versatility as a receiver in today’s NFL.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84's big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians,

and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening to The Best of Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday. From 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1, find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go on a suddenly, very lively Tuesday in Los Angeles.

It's the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. We are on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, all the platforms, crushing on all of them. It is great to be in here today. Joy Taylor is joining me today. She's a little down with the Miami Heat. Understandable, not gone the way she envisioned. What a disaster. Jimmy said they couldn't play worse.

So I guess, you know, sky's the limit from here, but that was a rough watch yesterday. Between your Steelers and if Tua doesn't deliver, it's going to be a rough year working with Joy Taylor. So Aaron Rogers, I got to say. something. We live in a world now. Everybody's apologizing for stuff they don't even need to apologize for. I mean, you watch the NBA, petrified to offend China. Communist country, human rights violations everywhere, petrified. Hollywood, the same thing. You know, everybody's afraid of the dollar sign. And here's Aaron Rogers. Aaron's like, nah, I'm a double down, me versus Green Bay.

Aaron Rogers versus Mark Murphy. It is official. Me versus them. He's doubling down. He's not backing off. And I'm here for it. Aaron Rogers last night goes on Sports Center. He was in Hawaii with his fiance and celebrity friends.

He's playing the guitar. He's got the hair tied back. He is all hipster on the islands. And he's not folding and he doesn't care. And he makes it very clear it's about the Packer front office, namely Mark Murphy and Brian Coogan's, the GM. Never been about the draft pick, picking Jordan. I love Jordan.

He's a great kid. You know, he had a lot of fun to work together. I love the coaching staff. Love my teammates. You know, I love the fan base in Green Bay. It's incredible 16 years. It's just kind of about a philosophy, you know, and maybe forgetting that it is about the people that make the thing go.

It's about character. It's about culture. It's about doing things the right way. And a lot of this was put in motion last year, and the wrench was just kind of thrown into it when I won MVP and played the way I played last year. Us versus them, me versus you. Aaron's saying, listen, I got no other options. You owe my contract for three years.

years. There's no owner for me to curry favor with. I'm losing the power struggle here because clearly you're not listening. Clearly you're tone deaf. The Packers have drafted one ride receiver in the first round in 32 years. Aaron's 10 years in Green Bay, nine of the first round picks defense. They wouldn't sign Jared Cook. They got rid of his quarterback coach. Didn't even tell him. Aaron's saying, you know, I'm clearly losing the cultural power struggle here. You're not listening. your tone deaf. So let's put it out there. Me versus you.

I'm not going to show up to OTAs. I don't care about the fine. And Aaron's not being outrageous here, although go to Packer websites and message boards. Ooh, he has lost a lot of fans. But Aaron wants to be treated like Patrick Mahomes. You know, Kansas City spent a fortune

to build an all-star offensive line this past off season. And by the way, last year off a Super Bowl win, first round went and got a running back. He wants to be treated like Tom Brady. Tom wanted Gronk. They got it for him. He wanted A-B. They got it for him. He wanted Leonard Fernette.

They got it for him. He wanted him resigned. Check, check, check. He wants to be treated like Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson complained publicly. They upgraded, got him a Pro Bowl left guard, got him a real good tied end, gave him a new offensive coordinator. Aaron's saying, hey, I mean, I already don't have an owner.

We already can't sign free agents. We're already backwards, 50-year-old men wearing cheese hats. There's some things I want here to be treated like a star and how other guys get treated where they ask for stuff and get it. And Aaron Rogers is not backing down and I'm here for it. Now, I've never thought Aaron and Green Bay are a perfect fit. You know, the Malibu Mansion, the celebrity girlfriends and fiancé. You know, I've never, he's California cool.

They are definitely not cool. but it doesn't matter. You don't have to be a perfect fit in life. That's nonsense. I don't think Russell Wilson and Seattle are always a perfect fit. But the bottom line here is it can't grow to resentment because that's when Tom Brady left. Tom Brady admits now, God, you couldn't get me back to New England in that weather. Tom's from California.

He moved to Florida. He admits he never liked the weather. You're never going to get him back there. He had a place to New York. He never necessarily felt like Sully. in the north end of Boston. Tom, Tom and Giselle don't feel like Boston.

They feel like celebrities. They feel like Bel Air. They feel like Hollywood. They feel like Paris. They feel like London. But it was fine until it became resentment at the end. When Tom did the documentary and his wife said, he just wants to feel respected.

Once it was resentment, it was over. It was over. And this is now resentment. I tell you about that study about once or twice a year. They studied 100 couples in Seattle at the University of Washington. Money didn't mean divorce. Kids didn't mean divorce. In-laws didn't mean divorce.

People got divorced when it became resentment and eye rolls in the relationship. And that's what Green Bay is. It's now in the resentment category. So now what will resentment create? Will it create a trade? Will Mark Murphy get fired? I have a hard time believing that Green Bay can pivot from their frugal, rigid DNA to blow up the front office.

It is so precedent setting. I cannot see it happening. But I got a respect for Aaron Rogers. I got to give him respect here. He wants treatment like Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, and Brady, and he absolutely deserves it. By the way, look at how Buffalo's already treating Josh Allen. They get him a new toy at wide receiver every year.

Every year, Brian Dave. the offensive coordinator. They pay him more and keep him and pay him more. Everything Buffalo does is to make sure the development and the growth and the happiness of Josh Allen. They ask his opinion. He's a kid. Look at how Baltimore is treating Lamar Jackson. They get him Greg Roman. They pay Greg Roman. The coordinator's going nowhere. He needs receivers. They get him receivers. He needs a back. They get him Mark Ingram. Look at how Baltimore has treated their star. I mean, look at the chargers in the offseason.

What do they do? Upgrade offensive line, Justin Herbert. Protect him. Pay for the center that Green Bay wouldn't pay for. So Aaron's saying, I'm not going to apologize. I'm not going to apologize at the altar of money. If I have to give up some money, I'll give up some money. I don't care.

And I got to be honest, in a world where everybody is paralyzed, it's a 24-7 conveyor belt of apologies for some. most people don't have to apologize for. I'm into it. I like it. Aaron's making everybody uncomfortable, and I'm really here for it. All right. Joy is not really here for the next story.

So the Bucks Miami Heat, it was funny as I watched that game last night. I tried to talk myself into turning it off about seven different times because it felt like it was over eight minutes in. You know, it's really interesting. You know, we talk about this a lot on the show. There are very few stars. Just pay for them. just deal with some of their crap.

There is no other Russell Wilson on the market. Kyler Murray is the only thing even resembling his game. Just pay for it. Just deal with it. Just deal with Aaron Rogers. So the heat were very reluctant. Remember in the offseason, they wanted James Harden. They wanted James Hardin to go with Jimmy Butler.

And they were willing to give up anything as long as Tyler Hero wasn't in the deal. That doesn't look like a great move right now by Pat Riley, who usually makes great moves. Tyler Hero, and he's 21 years old, he is now playing with garbage time, guys. He's about the eighth best player. This series, he's been horrible. 14 total points, three for 15.

We know he's an egregiously bad defender. But according to the stories I looked up to this morning, he started becoming a celebrity in Miami, which, by the way, there's two cities in the NBA where that happens a lot, and it's L.A. and Miami. Remember when LeBron came to L.A.? and Jordan Clarkson's dating this person and Kyle Kuzman's dating this person and Lonzo Ball is doing this and LeBron's like, you guys want to win some titles?

You at least want to get to the playoffs before you become celebrities in Los Angeles. Miami is a seductive town and Tyler Hero has officially been seduced. Jimmy Butler's not happy with him. According to stories, Miami's not happy with him. And let me just say this. Before we ask the question, what's happened to the heat? Well, are we sure anything's happened? I mean, they were a five seed last year in the cruddy east.

That's the second lowest seed in the history of the Eastern Conference to ever make the finals. And this year, they're a six seed. I mean, Jimmy Butler's very good, but he's not KD. Bam's very good. He's not AD. This is kind of maybe what they are. I mean, they're not special offensively. they were 18th in total offense, a five seed, a six seed.

This is last year they got kind of a break. They had a bunch of young players in a city that's highly distracting, and they pulled them all the boring Orlando to sit in a hotel for three months, and it worked to their favor. They took out the distractions of Miami for a young team, young guys easily distracted. They put them in a bubble and they played their ass off. but that we see examples like this all the time in music.

One hit wonders. We talked about My Big Fat Greek Wedding. We see random movies that are fantastic. And then you try to make a sequel and you're like, nah, now, Caddy Shack was worth one movie. That was it. Hangover, frankly, was probably worth one movie. My Big Fat Greek Wedding was probably worth one movie. The sequels never live up to it.

Everybody's waiting for Miami to take the next step. Last year, a little lightning in the bottle. What's happened to Miami? Reality set in. Jimmy Butler's good. He's not KD. Bam's good. He's not 80. This is maybe just what they are. Getting beat badly by a Milwaukee team that's got more good players.

Janice, Chris Middleton, Drew Holiday, got more good players. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,

embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-HartRaddle. Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,

and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you're you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs?

Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode, with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack.

So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

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Aaron Rogers did sort of dismiss Tyler Dunn's article about the Packers, but the reality is he was saying that Aaron and Mark Murphy did not get along. Now we find out they don't. Aaron now admitting this all started a year ago. So Tyler Dunn yesterday came out and said, I've heard Aaron Rogers was telling opposing players this past season. He was looking to build a team elsewhere. He wanted to see if they'd be interested in teaming up.

He obviously has been thinking about this for a while. And, you know, Aaron's a smart guy, right? Aaron's smart enough to see around corners and see trouble brewing. So, I mean, just on a macro level, just think about this. Think about all the teams Green Bay is considered like Super Bowl teams, right? So Kansas City is one of those teams. Green Bay is one of those teams. Kansas City has upgraded their offensive line extensively this offseason.

They appear to be better. Tampa Bay, not sure how they could get better, but they re-signed everybody. The Rams finally got Sean McVeigh a pro bowl. level quarterback. Buffalo was 13 and 3. They addressed in the draft their only real weakness, pass rush, defensive line. Seattle's 12 and 4. They've upgraded on the O line and wide receiver and tight end. Indy was 11 and 5. Their weakness, athletic ability at quarterback, major upgrade. Cleveland was 11 and 5. Major weakness, secondary. Massive upgrade. Baltimore was 11 and 5. Major weakness, wide receiver, major upgrade. Green Bay is the only Super Bowl contender in that group

that got worse. A, they lost a Pro Bowl center. B, they didn't sign any big free agent. C, they had a bizarre draft in which even people that like the Packers, Pro Football Focus, gave it close to a D. It was a weird draft. One. potential playmaker. One. Is it possible Aaron Rogers says, what the hell? This team's Super Bowl window is closed anyway.

There's this belief that if you can get to a conference championship, you can win the Super Bowl. That's not true. Andrew Luck, 11 and 5, got to a conference championship. Had a little easier route than they got crushed. Just because you get to a conference championship does not mean your Super Bowl team. Green Bay two years ago got there and they got rolled, rolled by San Diego. San Francisco that lost to Kansas City.

So this idea that we all know that Super Bowl windows, especially in the NBA, they close fast. That Seahawks Super Bowl window, it was like, bang! That Niners Super Bowl window with Harbaugh, huge shrinks. It does not last long. I mean, New England had one close for a decade. Then it opened back up. But people forget New England had two dynasties, early and late. but in the middle, it closed.

They got old defensively, missed on some draft picks. They weren't a Super Bowl team. So you start looking at last year, you can make an argument. Everything worked out perfectly for Green Bay. So who was in their way, San Francisco? Ogaropolo got hurt. Tom Brady went to Tampa, but there was a pandemic. So he didn't even get a pre-seasoner OTAs.

It was the perfect time. Drew Breeze was officially too old. and they were the number one seed. They had home field advantage. And oh, by the way, the Rams, McVeigh and Gough, there was a fissure in that by about week 11 and 12. And that, it was kind of the perfect year. Is Aaron Rogers looking at this thing thinking,

so now I got no Pro Bowl center, good luck with Tom Brady getting the number one seed and getting Lambo at home in the playoffs. That's probably not going to happen. Now McVeigh's got a Pro Bowl quarterback. Now Garoppolo or, you know, reports this morning, Trey Lance is popping.

They're back. You know, maybe he's just to say, you know, the heck with it. Why not move? The window's closed. And Aaron knows it. I mean, they're very dependent on DeVonte Adams. I mean, just think about this.

If I said to you, Devonte Adams, who's missed six games in two years, great player, torn ACL at practice yesterday, we completely eliminate the Packers from the Super Bowl ball. No other good team.

I mean, if I said Chris Godwin or Mike Evans out for the year for Tampa, so what? They're still favored to win the NFC. I mean, no other team feels as dependent on one skill player. And Devante Adams, as great as he is, he gets banged up. So, you know, maybe Aaron sees something that Green Bay can't acknowledge. Last year worked out perfectly. everybody else getting better, Green Bay,

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It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'll say it. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger

than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,

and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking. Trip Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing and we're still chasing it and we don't know when we've done enough

because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth or are you a good person because you're afraid. Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Keer Gaines,

as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app. Search, learn the hard way, and listen now. I watched the images last night of Aaron Rogers in Hawaii,

a place I've been fortunate enough to be, a handful of times. It's great. It's fun. Aaron's there with Miles Teller. He's a popular actor and his wife or girlfriend. And there's Aaron with his beautiful fiancee. And they're doing karaoke. Looks like it's a very nice resort. Very nice. And there's Aaron playing the guitar. And he's got that California hair. And there's Miles Teller. And I'm thinking, oh, my God, the $28 million Malibu Mansion. He hosts Jeopardy. He is cool. He's having a good time. And you know, I mean, if he was a ram, I mean, Pete Carroll's got a place in Hawaii. Last time I was in Hawaii, I saw Eric Spolstra sitting at a bar.

But Green Bay is different. And Green Bay is small town America. And Aaron's out there doing jeopardy and the celebrities and hanging out. And now this morning he doesn't show up to OTAs. That it's very interesting. So I went and found an article, and this was good because it was done by somebody locally in Green Bay. And they just went and asked local people in Wisconsin how they felt about Aaron. And as I said during the break, when Russell Wilson pushed back on the Seahawks, 90% of the fans were in Russell's corner.

When Brady would push back on New England, 90% of the people in Brady's corner, they still are. I mean, Cam Newton struggled. And when they got rid of him, most fans were in Cam Newton's corner. Quarterbacks are powerful. Fans fall in love with players, not general managers. Not in this case. So six or seven random Packer fans were asked about Aaron Rogers. Again, this is dairy farms, Wisconsin Dells in the summer, amusement parks.

This is what? This is farm territory. You work hard. Put your head down. Here's one of the quotes about. Aaron Rogers. I feel disappointed in you. Here's another by a young lady. I feel betrayed by him. My feeling says another. All right, you're spoiled goods now. Here's another. He needs to suck it up, Buttercup. Do your job. Here's another. You know, he was real nice. I think he's kind of got an

attitude now. Here's another. This team, this community Packer fans did a lot to support this guy. I think he ought to grow up and deal with it. Here's another. They gave him 240 million, and this in the end is how he treats us. I think it's BS. You don't treat the Packers like that when they did that for you. That's resentment. That's we're over you.

That is, hey, say whatever you want. I didn't read that with Brady in New England. I didn't read that with Russell Wilson. I mean, Philip Rivers could never win the big game for the Chargers. And there was like love when he left. That was like love. Well, we'll see how they feel if he does leave and they're terrible for the next 20 years.

I'm just saying, it is, there is that Midwestern ethos. We're not talking Chicago here. We're talking small town USA. Dairy farmers, cheese hats, proudly worn. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day,

seven days a week within the I-Hart Radio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Last week, I was listening to a sports talk radio show driving home. And it's a, it's very Southern. It's a Southern sports talk about radio show. And it was interesting to listen to Southern Collars, SEC territory, talk about Tim Tebow, that they really take umbrage. When you criticize Tebow in the South, it's more than just criticizing a football player. They take it. They take it. very personally. It's as if you're criticizing their way of life, their Christianity, the SEC. And as I was listening to the show, it was fascinating in every other part of the country.

You know, there's a lot of eye rolling with Tebow. You know, he's just, you know, he is what he is, right? He wasn't good eight years ago at the position he plays. But in the South, when I listen, I thought, you know, they take it personally. Picking on Tebow's, picking on the SEC, their way of life, their beliefs, Christianity. And it was like really personal. And it's funny because, you know, when I come out, who am I? I? I'm just a talk show host. But Mike Lombardi is a former GM, and he came out and he summed it up. I mean, he literally said what everybody in the league I know says about Tebow.

Mike Lombardi on Tebow, he goes, for this to work and to justify the time and energy the Jaguiz are putting into it, Tebow needs to be an upper echelon talent, not just a good special team or a third tight end. I'm not anti-Tibbo as a person. I'm just anti-Tibbo as a football player, taking a roster spot. Lombardi went on to say that he's just, he's not elated anything. He's not an elite runner, elite quickness. And then Albert Breer came out, somebody I trust. I don't see him as anti-Tibbo.

He said, I can't find anybody who thinks this will work. Speaking to several of Tebow's former coaches, that means he's talking to Patriot people, Albert Brewer. But it's, I always said. this. Tebow has shown us what he is. A 48% completion percentage, NFL quarterback, and a 215 hitter or worse in AA baseball. Now, it's better than I would do, but it's not a personal thing. It's a, he's just not that athletic. He's never been that athletic. He is a profoundly nice guy and has done an unbelievable job to monetize his brand. There has never been an athlete

with this many failures that has made this much money, and I'm happy for him. I totally am. But it is interesting. There is a part of the country, and Jacksonville's right in the heart of that, where if you criticize Tebow, you're criticizing them. It's fascinating for me to watch this.

It gets political very fast. It's you're criticizing who we are and our beliefs and our guy. And I just, I was kind of fascinated listening to the whole thing. I was like, man, Tebow fanatics really believe that if you don't like Tebow, you're anti-Christian. And it's like Russell Wilson's like my first or second favorite player in the NFL. He's the most Christian star athlete in any league in America today. It's not that. But I can't convince them, it's not that.

Like the people that love Tebow, like they think I am anti their belief system. And it's like, no, I'm anti-him as a. an athlete. But I find it fascinating to watch. It sort of unfold. And I think it's an interesting story. That's why I talk about it for three minutes any day that there's a new angle on it. It's chaos. But you can't throw reason at emotion. But it is interesting to listen, the support group of Tebow. It pivots to religion very fast. And it's like, it's not about Jesus. It's not. It's just about Jesus. I wish he ran a faster 40-yard dash. Is that inappropriate?

I mean, it's just, I'm sorry, it's about. It's not about religion at all. I mean, I don't even think. Honestly, at this point, when I think of Tebow, I don't even think about his religion. I don't even, I don't even, I don't, nobody to know cares. I don't care. No one cares. So who?

What? I grew up in a Baptist church three, oh, I guess an average of four days a week, at least three, anywhere from three to five days a week. I think very deeply embedded cultures are fascinating. and Tebow is so SEC. Fascinating is one word. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

The reason I think Sam Darnold works in Carolina, one of the reasons. Sam had all this chaos in New York. He just wants to be able to turn and hand the ball off to a star running back and throw to a star receiver. similarly, Carolina, since Christian McCaffrey arrived, Sam Darnold will be the seventh quarterback who has started a game. So you have these two entities, Carolina, their offense, and Sam Darnold. You have this marriage, they've had a lot of chaos. Carolina's offense has had a lot of different quarterbacks last several years,

and Sam Darnold's had chaos, and now they come together. and I'm like, they're both seeking the same thing. Carolina's seeking reliability. Sam seeking. Less nonsense. And I think it's going to work. And I think it's going to work big. And with that Christian McCaffrey, fifth year in the NFL, a two-time all pro,

he is joining us now live. So first of all, Christian, as I just explained, I really think Donald's perfect for you. You get a big, strong kid. he's dynamic. I love Teddy Bridgewater, but I do think he had to dimension athletically that, you know, Teddy didn't bring. So your thoughts, have you met Sam? If you talked to him, if you worked out with him, where are you with Sam right now, Christian? Yeah, well, first off, Colin, thanks for having me on. You bet. I've obviously a big fan. But yeah, you know, Sam, I've known him for a long time, played against him at USC, you know,

and kind of been following his career since and worked out with him a few times. And now, that we're all back here at the facility, you know, just being able to see, you know, not just his talent from his arms, from his arm strength to his, you know, just ability to look at a defense and understand where to go with the ball, but his leadership as well. And he's a guy that's very easy to get to know, but is a great leader on the field. So we're all super excited to have him. You know, it's interesting, Christian. I met he and his family years ago, and Sam's not a guy that seeks attention. He's kind of a regular kid, played volleyball in the beach with a beer.

He'd be just as happy as going to something fancy. And tell people a little bit about his personality, because that's one of the things that draws me to him. He's such a regular guy, and I do think professional athletes like the idea that he doesn't want to be a, he doesn't want to get the attention. He just wants to be one of the dudes. Yeah, you know, he's a football guy.

He wants to win. You know, he's the, that's the only thing that's on his mind is winning. You know, he's a very humble, great person. You know, you talk to him off the field. He treats everybody with respect. He doesn't walk around, you know, like he's more important than anybody else. And, you know, but at the end of the day, when it comes to practice, he knows what it takes to win. And a lot of that happens when you haven't had success, you know, and I know that from firsthand experience.

And so just, you know, getting to know both sides of them, the player and the person off the field, is, you know, you know what you're going to get with him, and that's what's so exciting, because he's great on the field and he's an even better guy off the field. Well, I'm a fan of Matt Rule, and first of all, last year he comes in, he drafts all defense, because he feels, and he's right, I got some offensive pieces I like. This year, he paid a little more attention to the offense. So tell me how Matt Rule. Tell me what the offensive, because I think you guys actually have some really nice offensive pieces.

I thought you needed to upgrade at left tackle. You did. Tell me about his offense. Is it complicated? Does it take a while? Is it simple? What's Sam walking into, Christian? Well, I think the biggest thing for us is, and it's like every year.

You know, every play is designed to work. And, you know, a lot of times teams can overcomplicate things and players can overcomplicate things. But at the end of the day, it's football. And it's, you know, throwing the ball to the right guy. it's catching it, it's breaking tackles, it's making plays, and, you know, players win games. So I think Sam knows that. Everybody else on our team knows that.

Coach Ruhl knows that. Coach Ruhl knows that. And so for us, it's just taking it day by day and honing in on the details. You know, it's so early right now, and we have so many new guys and moving pieces that we're trying to figure out exactly what we're good at and execute that to the fullest. So it's interesting. Last year you had a quad injury, a shoulder injury, and a bunch of stuff. It was a little bit everything kind of

just it's being a running back in the NFL. Where are you physically now? And what did you really this offseason, Christian? What did you have to attack with your body? What did you have to do? You know, I feel great right now. I feel really good. I'm at 100% everywhere.

Luckily, I didn't have to have any major surgeries. So, you know, it was obviously a down year. It happens. But, you know, I'm not going to harp on it. And I'm focused on this year. But really, it's just a kind of, constant moving process, you know, constantly figuring out what the, you know, next best thing is. And it's also relying on the fundamentals of training. And that's kind of what I've gone back to.

And I feel great. And I'm ready to go. So one of the draft picks, I was talking with Joy the other day, but around the draft and I said, every year there's a couple guys drafted. And you can't believe that a team got them in like a third or fourth round or fifth round. And Chuba Hubbard is really good. and I said, oh my Lord, Sam didn't have a running game in New York. I get Christian McCaffrey and his backup as Chuba Hubbard. Have you watched Chuba? Do you know his game? What do you know?

Have you seen him play? Yeah, you know, it's exciting to see, you know, what he can do with the ball in his hands. You know, obviously with the success he had in college, you know he can do it. You know, and I look at a guy like him who is good at a lot of different things and works hard and takes notes and asks all the right questions. and that's really what you want, a rookie right now is just somebody who's going to hone in on the details and, you know, make all the right decisions as far as protections and the playbook goes. But, you know, we have such a good running back room right now, you know, guys like Reggie Bonifun as well, and Rodney Smith and Darius Clark and all these other guys who have come in and really done a good job.

So it's just fun being able to work with all those guys every day. You are the only running back in league history with multiple 100. catch seasons. I've talked to general managers in the league and they say McCaffrey could start in this league as a wide receiver. You really, and it's funny, you know, your dad, I remember your dad, and your dad was a lot stronger than people thought, and he was a lot faster than people thought. In fact, I've asked NFL players before about your dad, and they're like, he was a long strider. If he got ahead of you, it was over. You take incredible pride in receiving. If I said to you, Christian, you're going to to peel off a 48-yard run, you're going to make two guys miss between the tackles, touchdown.

Or you'd take a swing pass and you'd make a tough one-handed catch, hauled in, run for a touchdown. What highlight gets you more jacked up? The points always, man. I mean, I'll take points any day of the week. You know, if any time you could put the ball in the end zone, I'll take that. But no, you know, I definitely take a lot of pride in being able to run routes at all the positions and catch the ball. You know, it's just another way to put the ball in my hands.

And that's what I love to do most. So definitely take a lot of pride in it. Did your dad, was he disappointed when you chose running back over wide receiver? Because he was a real good wide receiver. No, he didn't, he wasn't disappointed. I, uh, I'm the run of the family. All my brothers are much taller than I am. So I, I, you know, I'm, I'm the short one and always played running back. And, you know, when I was a kid, I started when I was seven and, you know, the running back gets the ball every time. I wasn't a quarterback, and the running back gets the ball every play.

So I wanted to get the ball and stuck with running back since then. Yeah, it's worked out pretty well for you. By the way, the Christian McCaffrey Foundation announced its 22 and Troops campaign in support of military communities. Tell us about it. It's in Charlotte. Info's at 22andtroops.org. Tell us a little bit about.

Yeah, it's something I'm really excited about my foundation. we're doing a concert July 2nd at the Fillmore in North Carolina in Charlotte. And, you know, something for me, being a guy who loves music, it's Zach Bryan, who's a singer-songwriter, country music artist. Yeah. All the proceeds to this concert are going to my foundation. We've partnered with a lot of different people. We've partnered with reboot recovery, which is a organization that takes a lot of pride and taking, you know, kind of a 360 approach to helping vets with PTSD, come back into a normal life or as normal as we can get.

It's something I have a lot of pride in. I'm very passionate about. I heard the stat that 22 veterans commit suicide every single day. And that woke me up, you know, and that doesn't even account for the thousands of ones who go through PTSD and depression and mental health issues all the time. So this is something, you know, for the Charlotte community or anyone else that wants to come out.

Like Colin said, you can get your tickets at, 22 in Troops.org or my website, which is on my Instagram and my bio. But yeah, I'm definitely really excited about it. I'm playing piano too, Colin. Oh, boy. It's my first time. Hopefully I don't mess it up. You Stanford guys, you got all the brains, your athletes, you're playing the piano.

Well, say hi to Sam, Donald. I really do love the two guys are coming together now. Donald and Christian McCaffrey. First of all, I don't even need to watch anybody else. I'm just watching Panther games. The rest of the league, I'm not even interested in. Christian is great seeing you. Appreciate it.

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