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Hour 2 pack the gift that keeps on giving Aaron Rogers and dissension in Green Bay. Live in L.A., it's the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. Greg Jennings in a second. This stuff is so great. All this, Aaron Rogers, karaoke and no shows to the OTAs and Green Bay fans are all. They're done with Aaron Rogers.

Okay. Good luck. Good luck. So here's the thing. Aaron basically yesterday went on Sports Center and came out and said, me versus you, us versus them. Yeah. I'm not coming to OTAs. I don't care about the fine. He basically called out the front office. So, I mean, it looks like now Aaron only comes back if they get rid of the front office. Mark Murphy's the CEO and president. Brian Guden Coons is the GM, but he can be fired by Mark

Murphy. And there was a story about a year ago where Mark Murphy said when they hired Matt LaFleffi, lure, Mark Murphy told Aaron Rogers, don't be the problem here. Don't be the reason this doesn't work. Now, Aaron denied that comment. What do I know? I generally don't think reporters just make up stuff. But anyway, the way to make Aaron happy, it appears, is either kind of change the culture, which would be to fire Mark Murphy or the GM.

But that is so abrupt and so dramatic and so intense and so precedent setting. It's just Green Bay's DNA is imbursed. bedded, it's deep, it's frugal, it's humble, it's modest, it's development. I just don't think they can pivot into blowing up the front office. I don't think it's in them. And the stronger and deeper and longer a culture has been present, the harder it is to pivot. Trust me, I worked at a company before this long, 30-year culture of how they act. They struggled to pivot and lost a lot of people.

And Green Bay, you know, tech companies can pivot easily because tech companies have young workers. These are not 75-year-old companies with the burden of shareholders since the 50s and 60s and 70s. So you see tech companies pivot all the time. Warner Brothers got into a situation. They own HBO. And Warner, nobody was going to the theater during the pandemic. So Warner Brothers had to make a fast pivot and released all their movies to streaming. Oh, my God, everybody was worked up.

But, I mean, Hollywood's in the business of pivoting all the time. That's a tech move. That's a streaming move. That's what you do. And it was a big, bold, daring move by Warner Brothers and HBO Max. But the reality is, I watch some HBO Max. It was a good move. It was smart.

But you see it with San Antonio and Popovich. You see it with Belichick a little. The deeper that system, the deeper that culture, it is really hard to pivot. And Green Bay's culture, blowing up the front office for a player, I just, I don't think they can do it. I don't think it's in their DNA. I don't think it's very easy to pivot.

Like Tampa Bay pivots to Brady. What success do they have? What culture they have? That's easy. That's easy to move. I mean, you know, the chargers move off, you know, Philip Rivers. We're going to let you go.

Well, they don't have lost Super Bowls. That's easier. I mean, a round. with Jared Gough, boom, Stafford out. That's an easy pivot. But when you got Green Bay and you got Farrb and Rogers and Super Bowls and doing business and dominating the NFC North and first or second or third biggest brand in the NFL and a lot of success for 30 straight years to just blow stuff up because

Aaron's unhappy. I don't know if it's in him. I don't know. Greg Jennings knows that culture. He is now Fox Sports NFL analyst joining us live. I mean, you know the culture, the idea of saying, blow out the front office. Greg, that's just not what they do, right? It's not what they do, and it's typically not what a lot of organizations in the National

Football League do when it comes in terms of a player wanting to be higher ranked than the front office. It just doesn't work that way. And in terms of Aaron Rogers in this situation with the Green Bay Packers, I don't think it will necessarily have to come down to that. I think Aaron is at the point in his career where he just wants a real conversation and real consideration to be had when he speaks to those in charge of decision making. And that has clearly not been the case. We heard him talk about it's not about the draft pick. It's not about Jordan Love. And I do believe him when he speaks on that and not being specifically about Jordan Love,

but it is about the idea of how you went about drafting a quarterback who we cannot use right now versus adding to what we're trying to accomplish right here right now and moving forward. And I think that's what has kind of allowed this to completely unravel to where we are today. You know, we live in a world where you've got to be nimble and flexible. I mean, in the media business, the streaming business, stuff changes every day. And, you know, we're watching Brady quickly pivot and the chiefs quickly pivot to a new offensive line and the Rams pivot to a better quarterback. And that feels very techy and very current.

And Green Bay sometimes feels like the post office. They're still licking envelopes. And I really think, I mean, seriously, and I think about that, Greg. I mean, you were there for years. I guess it was it wasn't there's a part of it that's kind of cute right the cheese heads and all this stuff

there's Aaron at the post office but I mean when you were there you kind of knew Green Bay was different how did you reconcile all of it knowing you weren't a big free agent destination and there wasn't much to do there and it was different well to your point of it being

a post office you're exactly spot on right there like but what what I found about the Post Postal services is it works and people people can depend and they can count on the reliability of what always has been versus trying something new. It's always easier for us to settle in on well, this, I know this works versus let me give this a try. And so that's the Green Bay. They steady Eddie. History shows us that this is who they are. But for me, when it comes to Green Bay and just everything that you're talking about.

No, I want to get to the culture. When Aaron's talking about the culture and it's being about the people and you can build the culture brick by brick, he is talking about the players. He is talking about other individuals outside of just the decision makers who nod their heads, who sit up in the upper rooms on the third and fourth level of a lot of these organizations and facilities and make decisions without input from those who are actually making it all run. And I think that's what's disturbing him more than anything. It's been years now that we've seen Aaron Rogers have this franchise in contention.

And now you can listen to what my input is when it comes to football, X's and O's, and how things should work. And you can rely on my abilities and say that I'm so valuable when it comes to this. But you don't trust that I understand what it takes and what pieces we need to take us to the next level. That can become problematic. And that is why they are literally at this crossroads. I mean, let's just, let's be honest about this. If Jordan Love could play, because think about this.

Yes. Here's my question. So if Jordan Love this year couldn't succeed with a top five running back, a top three wide receiver, a top two or three young offensive. progressive coach, a top five offensive line, a top tight end in terms of productivity, and the assets you would get in a trade. If Jordan Love couldn't flourish in that, isn't he a bust? It's set up for somebody to walk in and win. It is set up for somebody to walk in and win, but it's also set up for somebody that has the ability and the experience to win right now. And when you're talking about passing the torch to a guy,

who has not played an offensive snap in the National Football League that means anything, you're unwilling to do that when you talk about it being the post office, something that's guaranteed, something that we've always known to be reliable, and that's something is Aaron Rogers. And so for me, it's different because when we look down at Atlanta and we see Atlanta is inquiring about trading Julio Jones, and there's a buzz about it, but we're okay with that because, Number one, his age.

Well, Aaron Rogers is an older quarterback. Why are we not comfortable with it with Aaron Rogers? Because the person behind him, we have not seen. They have not been proven. We know what Calvin Ridley is. We know what Russell Gage is. We know what they just acquired in Cal Pitts in the draft. We know they have competent pieces that will allow them to steal first.

The Green Bay Packers haven't shown us that or even told us that they have a competent individual that will allow them to continue to sustain the success that they have had with Aaron Rogers under sending. Greg Jennings, Fox Sports, good seeing you, bud. By the way, you got a vest on with a city on it. I'm taking it. That's not Green Bay. It's Minneapolis, right? What is that?

It's definitely Green Bay. It's all about Green Bay right now. Okay. The bright lights of... Not Green Bay. Good seeing you, buddy. The disturbing thing for Green Bay is that this is a lot of support. if you go back and look at all these quarterbacks that come into the league, first round quarterbacks,

the ones that struggle, bad coach, bad roster. Like you just ask Sam Darnold to do too much with no help. Like, we know that. We've seen that over and over. But if you give the quarterback like, I don't know, a competent coach in assets, I mean, we don't even know if Zach Taylor can coach in Cincinnati. And we know they don't have a bunch of assets. But five games in, we watch Joe Burr.

and went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that dude can play. Justin Herbert had an atrocious offensive line. One half in, we're like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, he can play. Lamar Jackson, week 11, first year, has a coach, has a coordinator, a good old line. We're like, oh, well, that can play. We're a year in with Jordan Love. A year in, they got a top five running back, top five receiver, top five old line, top five tied end in terms of productivity, top five young,

coach. Weak dysfunctional division. Decent defense. Like, this is built to walk in and win some games. I mean, if they don't think Jordan Love right now, if they don't think Jordan Love can go 10 and 7 with that dude can't play. You moved up to get him in the first round. You moved up. And wasn't a third round pick I'd get. But Kirk Cousins, Dack Press got drafted in the fourth round. He was ready to play. A fourth rounder, Russell Wilson, third rounder, captain, first camp, ready to play. Kirk Cousins got drafted later. I forget if it was third or fourth round, was ready to play. Like when you got third and fourth round guys ready to play and a first round guy you move up to, this offense, and I'm not taking anything away from Aaron, but there's,

There's a lot of quarterbacks in this league that could win that division. Now, they're not as good as Aaron necessarily, but Aaron's not the only guy that could win the division with that O line. It is hard to fail when you have a top five offensive line. Last year, Philip Rivers, who could not outrun the chair next to me, won 11 games because the Colts have a great O line. Dak Prescott, fourth round quarterback, they had the best offensive line. They won 13 games. His coach, Dan Mullen and college admits he doesn't throw a great football. It's like Baker Mayfield.

The Cleveland Browns, I'm picking them to win their division probably. They have the best offensive line in football. Three potential pro bowlers. It is impossible. When you have the best, second best, third best, old line, you can be immobile like Philip Rivers and win 11 games. This old line in Green Bay, historical. Historically, last 15 years, it's never bad. So it tells me they do not have a high opinion on what they see in Jordan Love.

Now, OTAs start today in Green Bay. So now they get their look at him and some reps at him. And maybe it all changes here in the next 72 hours. I don't know. Julio Jones, Falcons, thoughts on that. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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They shot 48% from the field, 48.5% from 3. 82% from the free throw line and still got blown out. That's not the way the NBA works. When you shoot like that from the free throw line, three point field, go you win every game, except Portland. Portland's always two things. Damien Lillard offensively and terrible defensively.

They're 29th defensively. And it feels like all of their best players are more offensive-minded players. C.J. McCollum, Enos Canner, Dame, Nurkich, Powell, Mello. You know, they're very good offensively, very clever. But I do think that the organization feels like to get to the next level, they need to make a move. And I actually think there's one there. And I think they should have made it a couple years ago. If the clippers struggle in the playoffs, they're going to move off Paul George.

What Portland never seems to have is an athletic wing that can man up an elite player and score. Paul George. And how do you get Paul George? Well, the Blazers have a back court of lots of duplication with Dame Lillard and C.J. McCollum is like Dame, nice offensive player, not much of a defensive effort guy. You give the Clippers what they need is a guard that can score because Kauai Leonard can score. Zubots has been good this year. He can score. And then you give him a bunch of draft picks and maybe somebody else. But I could see Portland and the Clippers.

One of the Clipper execs is a former Portland exec. I could see him pulling it off. Is that Steve Ballmer is going to have no interest in Paul George. And my takeaway on Paul George is he wants to go to a team that at least is, you know, he likes the West. He doesn't want to live in the Midwest again. He's a California kid played at Fresno State. So if Paul George struggles in the postseason,

He's an athletic wing, got three or four great years left. Dame's got at least four or five great years left. Dame and Paul George really works for Portland with Nerkich. And what the Clippers need is a backcourt guy that can give you 17 to 18 points any night of the week. And that's C.J. McCullum. So I can see Portland in the Clippers. I mean, the Portland feels like, you know, we've seen this thing over and over and over. Dame's great.

Defense is terrible. And that's what we saw again last night. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Oh, Aaron Rogers. Oh, love it.

He's not in Green Bay for the Packers OTAs this week. The workouts were voluntary, but skipping them cost him his $500,000 workout bonus this year. Think about that. Think about, like, not feeling like working out and you're like, if I don't work out today, like I'll probably gain back that two pounds that I worked off last week. If Aaron Rogers doesn't work out this week, at least with the team, he has to pay $500,000. Well, he doesn't pay, but he doesn't make $500,000. I want people to think about this. Now, that's $500,000. So I don't know how the NFL works.

Is he a California resident because he's got the Malibu place? No, I'm sure his primary residence is there. I was going to say California takes half of it anyway. But think about this. This is something that I've talked to people about. with Twitter and Instagram, Aaron Rogers, I know what I can charge for a tweet to an advertiser. Aaron Rogers can charge minimum, $75,000 for a tweet. He could charge $5,000 for a cameo. He could charge $150,000 for an Instagram post.

My point is, money is so easy for about, I would say, 20,000. 25 American athletes. It's a unique group. The Brady's, the Mahomes, apparently DAC. Yeah, $500,000 is like... You can make it in a day on Instagram. Easily.

Or commercial. Oh, God. He made $20 million. Yeah. I mean, I don't know about $20 million, but like for a full campaign, maybe, yeah. Like $500,000 is not a lot of money. It's just funny when you think like skipping workouts is $500,000.

And a lot of people like, hey, that's not rich people. rich people don't throw away money. That's how they got rich. No, that's how that used to work. Celebrities throw away their money all the time because it comes so easy. When you can post something on Instagram, three things on Instagram and make it back, it doesn't really have quite that hit to the bank accounts. But we'll see if he shows up for the team's mandatory minicamp,

which runs from June 8th to the 10th. So that's coming up. Remember all OTAs were virtual last season because of the pandemic? and a lot of players are actually just, we were just talking about Brady, not attending and kind of boycotting the off-season workouts. I don't think this is really a big deal. We wouldn't probably even be talking about this

if it wasn't for all the other drama that's going on with Aaron Rogers and Green Bay. And as far as like, you know, what you were talking about earlier, like the fans reacting to him, like those amazing quotes from fans who are not very high on Aaron Rogers right now. I would just remind them

that if Aaron Rogers is not there, there's probably a good chance that you're very terrible. Yeah, well, unless it all comes down to me, you would make this trade if Jordan Love could play. Right. Why wouldn't you get three first round picks reportedly? You'd just make the move. Well, I mean, I don't know why anyone counts on outliers, but I mean, it's pretty, it would be pretty wild to go from a first ballot Hall of Famer to another first ballot Hall of Famer to another even great NFL quarterback. That's generally not how it works. and that's what they were counting on.

So new teammate, Sam Donald and Christian McCaffrey got a head start on their prep for next season by working out together at OTAs that began this week. They've already developed a good relationship, and Christian McCaffrey is impressed with what he's seen so far from his new quarterback. He said, I've gone to know him really well in the past few months, just getting together, throwing with him and hanging out with him off the field. He's an incredible talent and incredible teammate already, so I'm super excited for him. I think he'll fit in great already fits in great.

He's very laid back. but he's definitely a leader too and he knows him to put his foot down when he needs to. Sounds like a franchise quarterback. Christian McCabry will join the show at 2.15 Eastern today so we'll get to talk to him more about that, but I see that you're happy hearing that.

I'm excited to see what Sam does this year. Listen, he's 23. Yeah. In any other field, any other field in the world, we would understand if you were 20 years old, That's what he was when he entered the league. He was younger than all these other quarterback, younger than Baker, younger than Lamar. We would understand if your first job, if he had really bad bosses, you didn't flourish.

We would not say, that young worker is no good. We would be like, the kid's got talent, the attorney, she's got talent as a salesperson. It was a terrible company. Her boss is awful. You would get a complete pass. The idea that Sam Darnold should be judged on that mess in New York is ridiculous. We would not do that with any young man or women in any profession. I've been very lucky in my life.

I've usually gotten good management almost every job I've had. I'm lucky. But the only time in my career I didn't, I thought thrive or grow was the one place in my 30s where we didn't have good management. Well, yes, you're right. But I will say with professional sports, you have a much smaller window in which to be successful. Like in the regular world, you work until you're like 65. right? Like with sports, it's accelerated. So every year is so magnified because you can't play. Dog years. Yes. Obviously, Tom Brady being an outlier and it is stretching, but for the most part, your career is not as long, so you don't have as much time to be great.

So Celtics are significant underdogs in the series with the Nets. They drop game one on Saturday and they've got their work cut out for them to try and tie it up tonight. But Tristan Thompson says that they are still confident in their chances going up against the Nets. Listen, we have a team with Kevin Durant, James Hardin, and Kyrie Irving. You better step on the court feeling good about yourself. But we don't give a shit about that. At the end of the day, they put their socks on and the shoes on just like us. So we're not intimidated or anything like that. I believe that mentality.

I don't think that true competitors go into, at the professional level, go into any series. Like, we're going to lose. I think they know how serious they need to take it and how much of a battle it's going to be. But you have to be confident. That's why you're there. It's part of the reason why you've made it to the professional level. You have this otherworldly belief in yourself.

So I don't think this is going to be a long series. I think they're going to get swept. But the first app was interesting. FoxBet has the Nets favored minus 2,500 to win the series. Game two is tonight at 730 Eastern. Nice slate of games tonight. So, you know, the NBA playoffs have been really interesting so far. There was a lot of great.

Even the playing games. The playing games were great and a lot of really evenly matched teams. Every team is a little bit flawed. You know, obviously this series. I think the Wizard's series might be shorter. Unfortunately, it looks like the Heat series might be shorter as well. Thought that one might be go along. Still have time.

But we've had some good basketball. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. So the story is Julio Jones, the Falcons reportedly have a very steep asking price. They're going to trade Julio Jones. They want a first round pick.

Now he is 32. He's had some injuries last year. This is his 11th year of service. So as wide receivers get past that 9th, 10th, 11th year in the NFL, they start getting dinged up and banged up. the question really with Julio Jones and I think he he's worth I would give up a late first round pick and I'll tell you the team I think works I wouldn't I wouldn't give up a first round pick if I thought that was a top 10 pick or a top 12 pick but if I was a playoff team green bay and I thought okay I'm giving up the 27th pick 28th pick yeah he's he's going to be better for two years

than anybody I'm going to get more impactful with the 27th pick. By the way, the last two first round picks for the Packers' late first round, one is sitting on the bench as a quarterback, and the other one's a corner that was a reach. So where Julio Jones is worth a first round pick is if you're a team that doesn't need him for 17 games. He doesn't work if you're rebuilding and you need him every week. What he works as if you can get 13 games out of him, he's banged up a little, but he's ready in December and January.

He's perfect in Green Bay. He makes the Packers better. You have to be careful now about doubling Devante Adams. Aaron Rogers would be happy. That could be severed. But he works in Green Bay. He absolutely works in Green Bay. Green Bay does it.

They have an offense with Aaron Rogers that is really good. If you put Devante Adams alongside Julio, you can't double either. And so it really works. And they don't need him to play 17 weeks. Detroit's awful. Detroit could be the worst team in the league in their division. Minnesota was bad last year. They'll be better, but they're not Green Bay. And Chicago doesn't know who their quarterback is week two. So this is a winnable division for Green Bay.

What they have now. I don't think it's a Super Bowl team with what they have now, especially with all the noise with Aaron Rogers in the front office. But he works with Green Bay. And maybe people have said New England. New England, I do think we'll be a playoff team this year. And I think if you're New England and you look at just the weapons Kansas City has and the weapons Buffalo has and no weapons Cleveland has and no weapons Baltimore has. I do think New England sits there and thinks, well, we can't draft wide receivers worth a darn. Let's go out and get

Julio Jones. So New England and Green Bay worked for me on that trade. Here's another thing. I want to bring this up. So last week I was listening to a sports talk radio show driving home, and it's a very southern. It's a southern sports talk radio show. And it was interesting to listen to Southern callers, SEC territory, talk about Tim Tebow, that they really take umbrage. When you criticize Tebow in the South, it's more than just criticizing a football player. They take it very personally. It's as if you're criticizing their way of life, their Christianity, the SEC. And as I was listening to the show, it was fascinating in every other part of the country. You know, there's a lot of eye rolling with Tebow. You know, he's just

you know, he is what he is, right? He wasn't good eight years ago at the position he plays. But in the South, when I listened, I thought, you know, they take it personally. Picking on Tebow's picking on the SEC. Their way of life, their beliefs, Christianity. And it was like really personal. And it's funny because, you know, when I come out, who am I? I'm just a talk show host.

But Mike Lombardi is a former GM. And he came out and he summed it up. I mean, he literally said what everybody in the league I know says about Tebow. Mike Lombardi on Tebow, he goes, for this to work and to justify the time and energy the Jaguys are putting into it, Tebow needs to be an upper echelon talent, not just a good special team or a third tight end. I'm not anti-Tibbo as a person. I'm just anti-Tibbo as a football player, taking a roster spot. Lombardi went on to say that he's just, he's not elated anything.

He's not an elite runner, elite quickness. And then Albert Breer came out, somebody I trust. I don't see him as anti-Tibbo. he said, I can't find anybody who thinks this will work. Speaking to several of Tebow's former coaches, that means he's talking to Patriot people, Albert Brewer. But it's, I always said this. Tebow has shown us what he is.

A 48% completion percentage, NFL quarterback, and a 215 hitter or worse in AA baseball. Now, it's better than I would do, but it's not a personal thing. he's just not that athletic. He's never been that athletic. He is a profoundly nice guy and has done an unbelievable job to monetize his brand. There has never been an athlete with this many failures that has made this much money,

and I'm happy for him. I totally am. But it is interesting. There is a part of the country, and Jacksonville's right in the heart of that, where if you criticize Tebow, you're criticizing them. He, he, he, it's, it's fascinating for me to watch this. It gets political very fast. It's your criticizing who we are and our beliefs and our guy and I just, I was kind of

fascinated listening to the whole thing. I was like, man, they, Tebow fanatics really believe that if you don't like Tebow, you're anti-Christian. And it's like, Russell Wilson's like my first or second favorite player in the NFL. He's the most Christian star athlete in any league in America today. it's not that but but I can't convince them it's not that like the people that love Tebow like they they think I am anti their belief system it's like no I'm anti him as an athlete but it's I find it fascinating to watch it sort of unfold and I think it's an interesting story that's why I talk about it for

three minutes any day that there's a new angle on it it's chaos but you can't throw reason at emotion But it is interesting to listen, the support group of Tebow. It pivots to religion very fast. It's not about Jesus. It's not. It's just about Jesus, I wish he ran a faster 40-yard dash. Is that inappropriate? I mean, it's just, I'm sorry, it's about.

It's not about religion at all. I mean, I don't even think. Honestly, at this point, when I think of Tebow, I don't even think about his religion. I don't even, nobody to know cares. I don't care. No one cares. So who? What?

I grew up in a Baptist church, three, oh, I guess an average of four days a week. At least three. Anywhere from three to five days a week. I think very deeply embedded cultures are fascinating. And Tebow is so SEC. Fascinating is one word.

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For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we

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against Jose Al-Tube and the Astros. Coverage begins at tonight at 7 Eastern 4 Pacific on FS1 and the Fox Sports app. Marcus Johnson play was a great college player at UCLA, 11 years in the NBA, and there's a great NBA player five-time All-Star. Now he's a Buck's television analyst,

and a former clipper analyst. He joins us live. And it's interesting, Marcus. You played in the NBA and you know how big culture is. And I've said, when you have a losing culture like the Clippers, and there's already doubts

and you lose to Dallas in game one, I'm like, I'm sorry. That's different than the Lakers being down 01. I think the Clippers are in trouble, Marcus, today. I really do. Am I overstating it? You played for them for three years. You know the culture.

well yeah i mean there's a great quote colin that uh culture each strategy for lunch and that was said by dick clark but you know american bandstand in the in the media mobile dick clark said that many years ago and and you're right and and what's happening with this clipper culture is man it's years and years of futility uh not only on the floor but front office stuff that's been well chronicled under donald sterling uh the injury situation in which I of myself was a victim of along with Derek Smith and Norm Nixon and Danny Manning. You can just go on down the list. And now to me it's on the floor just trying to shake this losing kind of a of a Paul that's been over this team

for a number of years. And we saw it last year with the flame out in the playoffs and game one. I mean, and for me, Colin, the issue, Paul George, I've seen him struggle down the stretch of time, but for Kauai not to be able to come through like I'm used to seeing him come through, that was the biggest red flag for me. So we'll look to see. But Luca, his team is feeding off of his exuberance, his energy, his confidence. And when you got a guy like that playing at the level that he plays at, man, it's a tough, tough challenge for the Clippers.

Now, Lakers are down 01. They're still favored in the betting markets. Is there anything if you were a Laker fan, though, Marcus, you would be concerned about in this series? Well, Chris Paul and his leadership, you know, I thought he was jipped in a way by not getting more MVP consideration. Now, he's not the MVP, the three finalists. You know, it's a great list. But Chris Paul, everywhere he has gone from New Orleans to the Clippers to Houston to OKC, I thought he was done once he was shipped off to OKC.

I thought he was just going to buy his time, go quietly into the night. and he got those guys turned around playing great basketball. We're seeing the same thing now with Phoenix. And then you couple that with Monty Williams in terms of what he has been through with the personal stuff, personal tragedies that have happened in his life. And, you know, it's just a tough, tough situation for the Lakers, the combination of those two. I like the fact when Chris went out with that stinger, when he came back, Moni in the post game didn't talk about what Chris provided on the floor in terms of tangible schemes and leadership.

he talked about his heart. And that's going to be the thing for the Lakers to try and overcome the heart of Chris Paul and the way he has this team playing right now. You know, it's going to be a challenge. I think Lakers will prevail, but I think Chris Paul is going to get them one heck of a battle. Well, you played for the Bucks for seven years. You were a number three picked by them in 1977. In fact, you were the first winner of the John Wooden Award.

And now you're the Bucks TV analyst. And I liked Milwaukee in this series, and I have picked them to win the championship. They're a little inartistic. They can be ugly. They can beat you up. It's not pretty. Are you surprised at all how lob sighted that game was last night and what the series looks like all Milwaukee?

Well, yeah, I mean, for us to be able to shoot the ball as well as we did, as the Bucks did last night, especially in the first half, Brent Ford with 19 points, was killing the heat from the three point line. It was a little surprising. I mean, that's an anomaly to be able to shoot that well, just like the heat shot so well in game one. But this is not the bubble. This heat team was kind of built for the bubble. The Bucs were not. A couple of the fuck that the Bucs did the boycott in Game 5 against Orlando.

You had the whole spotlight of the world on them. You're in this bubble situation where everybody's walking around interacting both positively and negatively with each other. I thought it was a little bit too much for the Bucks mentally to deal with. This is a different situation. And fortunately, they get the same team that spanked their behinds last year in the heat. But what was interesting is that our owner, Mark Lathry, said that, you know, we played all our guys the final weekend of the season so that we didn't avoid the heat. Drew Haudet says that we are a better team talent-wise than the heat. This is a buck team that's embracing this challenge.

And if Jimmy Butler continues to be a no-show based on how he played last year compared to this year, it could be over with rather quickly for the Miami Heat. Now, listen, I think Milwaukee is going to win this series. and I could virtually guarantee Brooklyn's going to win theirs. I think you guys are a tough matchup for the Nets. I really do. What would Milwaukee have to do to beat K.D. James Harden, Kyrie? Well, defensively. And that's one of the reasons why our general manager, John Horst, picked up PJ Tucker.

And if you look at the numbers, PJ Tucker has defended LeBron James and Kevin Durant better than pretty much anybody who has played against two guys in terms of. of long minutes over the last two or three years. They're their individual matchup. So, and that was an acquisition specifically designed for the outstanding wings in the Eastern Conference. And KD is at the top of that list.

So just defensively. And then, you know, Drew Holliday is the key for us, Colin. And his matchup against Kyrie Irvin, you know, you're not going to shut Kyrie down. He's too talented. But if anybody can make him work at both ends, that's the key. This ain't football. You don't come off the game, you know, after, after, after. you play an offense.

You've got to go down and guard somebody, and Drew's going to put constant pressure on the guards, especially Kyrie, at the offensive end of the floor. So for us, to me, it's about Drew Holiday. Once we picked him up during the start of the season, during the off season, I really felt confident that you talk about culture, his mindset, his mental toughness, both ends of the floor would be the difference maker for the Milwaukee Bucks this season.

Good stuff. Marcus Johnson, box analyst, 11 NBA seasons, and Joy tells me, His son is crushing it on. Josiah is the king of NBA Twitter. Okay. Look at you. He might be the king of all of Twitter, actually.

Way to go, Marcus. Well, and one thing to talk about being on it, and I told you your producer is this, but man, you need to help me with this campaign. I'm trying to get Steph Curry to play a character in the screenplay that I co-wrote with a good, good partner of my Todd Watson. It's about integrating the LA Fire Department in the 50s, but there's a character for him to play. It's a supporting role. So he doesn't have to carry the film. It's called Burning for Justice. The character is Arndette Hartsfield. I got to throw that plug in there. We're talking with

Steph's production company unanimous right now. And hopefully he'll get a chance to read it. He and his wife, look at it, and see it's the perfect fit. So I had to throw that plug in there here at the end. I'm supportive. I think it'd be a great role for Steph. I'll watch any movie with Steph Curry. Exactly. All right, Marcus, thanks for stopping by the show today. All right. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I pick Milwaukee to win the whole thing. And I said I did it without conviction, I thought Miami was a tough matchup, and they have just not been. So Jimmy Butler, listen, it's a mismatch. Well, the first game was competitive, but that's why I was so upset that they didn't pull it off

because it's going to be a tough series. So, you know, I can't say anything positive about last night. It's a disaster. More Aaron Rogers, Christian McCaffrey next hour. If you're running a business on QuickBooks, it's QuickSand. Bigger you get the faster you sink with outdated software. upgrade to NetSuite, one-of-a-kind financing, special financing, netSuite.com slash herd, H-E-R-D. The wrench was just kind of thrown into it when I won the MVP and played the way I played last year.

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I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Cliver Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

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