The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 05/27/2021 - Best of The Herd

Episode Date: May 27, 2021

Colin gives praise to the Knicks for winning a playoff game for the first time since 2013 but he lays out the reality of what their roster is when compared to other NBA super teams. Tebow-mania has officially returned to the NFL as rumors about the Heisman Trophy winner potentially playing quarterback again have already surfaced. He casts doubt about the drama between Aaron Rodgers and the Packers could have been easily avoided. Plus, NBA Champion Metta World Peace joins the show to talk about a fan pouring popcorn on Russell Westbrook and his experience with unruly fans in the NBA.   Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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From 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1, find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. It is a Thursday. Anxiety in Green Bay, tension in Miami. Joy in New York and in Salt Lake. It's the herd. Live in L.A., wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio, and FS1.

What a day today. Joy Taylor is joining. Me, Joy, how are you? I'm great. There's quite a lot going on right now. A lot going on right now. There's a lot going on in football, potentially, in the next 48 hours. Don't go anywhere.

So, you know, listen, fans are important during the pandemic. We didn't have fans. And the networks all, I thought the networks did a great job. I thought Fox and CBS and NBC shooting NFL games, you know, the camera angle. So you didn't see empty stands. I thought it was really amazing. I thought it was a production home run by all the networks to make the games look and sound, piped in crowd noise as good as they did.

A plus for all the networks on that. But boy, you need fans. You really need fans. And there has never been a greater example of that than the New York Knicks and the Atlanta Hawk series. I honestly felt the crowd won the game in New York. I'm not sure if the Knicks did. The crowd was insane. It jumped through the television set.

And they go on to beat Atlanta and even the series. And the Knicks are completely limited. I mean, the Knicks roster is a flea market. It's everybody else's secondhand stuff. I mean, it's vinyl records. It's old furniture. It's used clothing. It's incense.

I mean, Nerlin's Noel. He's a sixer. No, he's a Nick. Alec Burke, he's going to be huge for the jazz. No, he's a Nick. Derek Rose. Gippson, aren't they Bulls, Alfred Payton, Orlando Magic, Julius Randall, Lakers didn't want him. It's a flea market.

It's everybody else's secondhand stuff. And that never, ever wins in the NBA big, ever. It's the opposite of what wins in the NBA. You want everybody else's stars. You don't want a flea market. And yet they're winning because of belief, the crowd, the momentum. What do the kids say? how it started, we're going to get Zion, KD, and Kyrie.

How it ended. We have R.J. Barrett, Julius Randall, and Derek Rose. And it's winning. It's a four seed in the east. I was thinking about it this morning. Why are the Knicks so easy to root for? If the NBA playoffs were just one big family dinner with all the teams in there, LeBron would be head of the table.

He'd be the patriarch. You listen to LeBron. K.D. Kyrie Hardin in Brooklyn would be the weird cousins who may or may not show up. You're not sure. They made their money in cryptocurrency. They've got a lot of AMC stock. The Clippers are the family member that always shows up and promises, ooh, big things are coming in my career.

I'm about to finally hit it. A lot of promises. And the Knicks, they're like grandpa. They talk about the old days, harmless. Just so damn happy. somebody invited him to the dinner. They're just likable. They tell stories about the good old days.

Nobody's really threatened by the Knicks winning the title. Everybody likes Grandpa, right? And Grandpa's just happy that he got invited still. He has to hang around all the cool popular kids. The Knicks last night, people in New York were climbing on light posts. They won a playoff game. the first round at home to even a series. And I find the Knicks, you know, I just find it to be a great story.

Remember we watched Michael Jordan in The Last Dance, and that was about greatness. The Knicks are the last chance, if there's a documentary. A bunch of these guys on the roster, they failed the first couple times. It's their last chance to do something special and cool in the NBA playoffs. Tage and Derek and Burke and Nerlands Noel and Julius Randall. And there's just something easy to put your arms around. We all missed fans. And we knew it as we talked about this.

Sports is better when it has juice. Boy, Madison Square Garden is just the greatest example of the impact and the importance and the flavor that fans can give you. Fantastic. These teams aren't going anywhere, by the way. They're going nowhere, but it doesn't matter. It's a really fun first-round playoff series. Okay.

You know, every Monday I do where Colin was right or Colin was wrong? It's about five of one, five of the other. And this one, I thought I was going to have to wait, May, June, July, August, September, four and a half, five months. I had to wait five days. Urban Meyer, according to reports, might use Tim Tebow in a Tassum Hill-like quarterback role in the Wildcat packages. That didn't take long, did it? The circus is in town five days in.

When I said, be careful about Tebow, Trevor Lawrence going to have a bad October. Look at their schedule. and you all said, Colony's just a tight end. I said, uh, it's very hard to prepare for delusion. If you can't relate to something,

it's hard to prepare for something. Like Black Friday at Walmart, you hear about it. I can't really relate to people staying overnight to get a mattress or a cool shirt. I can't really relate to that. I just go the next day and get it. So you can't prepare for it if you're normal that you would literally stay overnight to get a phone or something or a television or something. And then you see it on television and there's fistfight and it's WWE and you're like, I don't really, how would you, you can't prepare for something you can't, you can't relate to.

I can't relate to watching a quarterback that's awful and thinking he's Tom Brady. So I can't even relate to the Tebow stuff. The idea that he's going to be Tayson Hill. Yeah, Taysam Hill runs a 4-4. In August, Tebow is 34. Tebow has spent the last four years in the NFL like getting yards and winning games. Tebow has not been in the NFL in eight years. They have nothing in common.

I'm not even going to get into their stats. One complete 70% of his throws, 147. One is a passer rating in the 90s. one in the 70s, I'll just be nice. But Trevor Lawrence, he doesn't understand it. Because Trevor Lawrence was 13 when the Tebow delusional tour took place in Denver. He was only 13. So he's all on board on this stuff.

Here's Trevor Lawrence. It looks great. You can tell he's just a guy that you want to be around. Character is awesome. Just had a few conversations with them and I can already tell. And then just a hard worker. You know, no one's going to work harder than them. And those are the kind of guys you want in your locker room that you want to be around every day.

And then I'm excited to see what he does on the field as well. We've got a few days and he looks great. He's in awesome shape. Oh, Trevor Lawrence has no idea. You cannot prepare for something that you can't relate to. Tim Tebow, Champ Bailey made 12 Pro Bowls. Champ Bailey is one of the best top 10 corners in league history. Champ Bailey was great.

I know Champ a little bit. Champ Bailey came out yesterday and he said, oh, I was there with Tebow in Denver. He's infectious, but he's just not an NFL quarterback. He said, I've known a lot of guys like that. They've got all the qualities in the rate room and the leadership. But like they're not NFL quarterbacks, Tebow's not an NFL quarterback. He's just not.

but I think this is, I think this is, Jacksonville is never interesting. There have been moments in their history where they've been kind of good. The Blake Bortle's defense, that's kind of good, AFC championship game. Mark Brunell teams Jack Del Rio or Tom Coughlin was a coach. They're pretty good. They're pretty good. They've never, even when they were good, though, been captivating. I mean, did you buy a Jags jersey during the Mark Brunel run? Were you there cheering for them to get to the Super Bowl or did you want the Steelers or Brady to get there?

I will say this. The NFL, even their franchises that feel like two to three years away from moving to London are interesting. Tebow may be used it quarterback. But Trevor Lawrence, go look at that Jaguars October schedule. five straight winning teams, five straight Super Bowl contenders. They're probably going 0 and 5, and the chance will come raining down in a stadium that's two hours from where Tim Tebow was the most iconic college football player

in the history of college football. Be sure to catch live editions of The HARD weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,

embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,

and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, Follow at Clifford and a TikTok podcast network on TikTok.

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and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

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Remember, that was the draft that Aaron Rogers thought he was going to go higher. And Alex Smith went to the Niners, did go higher. You know, they played their college ball out west. They both had a few injuries. Aaron is more revered as a talent. Alex, though, has made three Pro Bowls he can play to. They got some similarity. They actually look alike.

The first thing I said to Alex Smith yesterday, during the commercial break, I said, I always thought you looked a little like Aaron Rogers. God, in person, you look just like Aaron Rogers. But they're different personalities. One is more warm and inviting. One's a little pricklier. And we all treat people differently, right, based on their personality. We all have friends.

you can tell anything to, even bad news. And then you have friends, if it's bad news, you'll just let them find out some other way. So it is interesting. There is this sense that have Green Bay given Aaron Rogers a heads up on Jordan Love, it had been all good. Now, should Green Bay communicate better? Absolutely. Alex Smith yesterday when I asked him about Aaron and Grie Bay's tension said exactly what most of us feel.

It's inexcusable. It's absolutely, I think. How they ever got to this point, I mean, Aaron's been there 16 years what he's given to that organization and been there. And for them, I think, to what happened last year during the draft. And I haven't talked to Aaron about this. I don't want to put words in his mouth. but clearly to watch the interview and him talk about it's about the people. And it is.

And Aaron's been there that long. And I don't think it was the fact that they drafted Jordan Love in the first round. I mean, I think of the fact that you just, how do you have a guy like Aaron and you don't go make sure beforehand you aren't going out of your way to make sure that he knows that he's loved, that they want him there? Now, I mostly agree. I think you should give Aaron the respect and the heads up. I agree with that. But I'm just going to throw something out there. Because I'm America's honesty broker.

I don't take sides. Aaron's personality is off-putting to a lot of people. His family has commented on him. Teammates, coaches. Is it possible sometimes people in Green Bay don't tell him every little thing and some big things? Aaron is often the victim in Green Bay a lot, right? This is like 10 years now, last three especially. He's the victim a lot.

Is it possible sometimes Aaron's not the victim? He creates some of this stuff. I mean, he's been in Green Bay 16 years. You and I know he's turned off coaches and players. We've seen them comment about it. Maybe they don't include him in every conversation. There are friends who you tell everything to. And there are friends they can just find out some other way.

Alex Smith, I asked Alex Smith, Did Kansas City tell you they were going to draft Patrick Mahomes? Here's what he said. 100%. That's something that was talked about throughout the draft process, not just by Coach Reed, everybody involved in the personnel apartment. Yeah, and I'm talking multiple times. Hey, this really might be something we're doing.

Are you okay with it? This is going to be the situation. This is, I mean, you know, like, there were no surprises. I mean, it was absolutely laid out for me. And I think that all helps. You know, when that stuff's communicated, it does make a difference how you treat people. But that's how you would treat Alex Smith. Alex is warm and friendly.

Players love him. Coaches love him. He's an overachiever. He's not a mega talent. That is how you would treat somebody you think of his family. Aaron's not quite like that. Aaron can be prickly with his own family, with teammates, with coaches. The Minnesota Vikings, Alex was treated in Kansas City like you'd treat a nice guy.

The Minnesota Vikings, when they considered drafting Justin Fields, gave Kirk Cousins a heads up. But Kirk Cousins is known as a nice guy. He's not a pushback guy. It's not a Cali Cool guy. All I'm saying is, anytime anybody becomes a victim over and over and over and over and over Aaron and Green Bay, there are sometimes I would suggest maybe you are creating a tainty weency bit of it. So, you know, Aaron may not. He may be intimidating to people.

he may be like off-putting to people they don't include him on on the text chains and the email chains and they don't tell him some stuff they just let's just do it and deal with the fallout later because they don't want to be in a combative conversation and they don't want to argue and have to defend their position now i do think you need to tell erin when you're drafting jordan love i can think two things at once my brain is big enough that i think green bay was wrong there, but I do think how you treat Alex Smith or a Kirk Cousins, that's how you would treat a nice guy. That's how you would do it. A nice guy. Let's treat him like a, he's like family. Alex feels like family. Aaron's kind of a one foot in, one foot out, didn't he, a little bit?

Got a little KD to him. I mean, you want to put your arms around KD, but you're never quite sure where KD is going to be in two years. And I think Green Bay has felt that for years with Aaron Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. What's up, everyone? It's me three-time NFL all-pro Sean Mariner. And I have a new sports podcast called The Lights Out Podcast with Sean Mariner. This podcast is special to me as I get a chance to talk to some of the best we've ever done it on the field or the track. So whether it's talking to a Super Bowl champion or a NASCAR Cup Series champion, the Lights Out podcast will bring it to you the only way I know how to. I'm giving you the best insight. from the best we've ever done it. Listen to Lights Out with Sean Merriman or the IHartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered, conversation.

conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

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unpack what went down and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence.

Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for Black. Black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing,

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learn the hard way. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the hard way and listen now. I don't believe in coincidences. Chris Greer is the young and very, very progressive general manager of the Miami Dolphins. 28 months he's been on the job. He's made 28 traits. He is a dealmaker.

He is of the new brand of general managers in the NFL, the less needs. Make deals. A lot of deals. Howie Roseman. This is what GMs do now. They make deals. They didn't used to. Chris Greer, 28 months on the job, 28 trades.

Everybody in the building knows Chris will trade for you or trade you out of town without a blink. Tua has gotten a lot of bad press, but he's never really felt a need to defend himself, right? In the last two to three days, Tua has come out and said two different things to the press. Number one is, oh, my hip feels ten times better. Okay, nobody asked, but thank you. and then he came out and admitted this yesterday. I wasn't comfortable calling plays. I think the guys that we had last year were phenomenal.

I just didn't have the comfortability of kind of checking plays, alerting plays, and doing that. I just rode with the play, even if I knew it in a way that it wasn't going to work. I was going to try to make it work. I didn't actually know the, like, playbook necessarily really, really good. And that's on no one else's fault, you know, but my fault. By the way, first year playing in the NFL, two is saying what a lot of guys say,

little over my ski is going to add, live my way out of this. What he said is not crazy. That's this, it's hard. Like they always say, your three light goes on. I've, I've gotten my hands on a few playbooks. It's deep. It's a phone book. But don't you think it's kind of interesting?

Last two, three days, he's kind of. he's come out and announced. Oh, my hip feels 10 times better. And, you know, I really didn't know the playbook. Now, why would that be? I want you to think about it for a few seconds if you're driving around on radio or watching. What's happened in the last couple of days? Oh, Aaron Rogers didn't show up to OTAs.

Chris Greer, the GM of the Dolphins is a deal maker. Tua and Tua's camp are making sure they put some positive news out there. Hey, feels better, and he knows the playbook now. In the last two to three days, when Aaron didn't show up, many people around the NFL believe, as Peter Schrager just said, oh, this is, Aaron's not coming back. They're going to have to start Jordan Love. There is a feeling around the NFL, Aaron and Green Bay, it's now a mess, and it's not going to be healed and solved. So what did GMs do that are aggressive? They get on the phone to Green Bay. and Chris Greer will make deals

and Tua didn't look very good and now he is selling Tua. Feel great. I know the playbook now. I don't think it's a coincidence. I think the minute Aaron didn't show up to OTAs, a lot of GMs in the league, the deal makers got on the phone with Green Bay.

Three first round picks. I mean, you're looking at the division. I got to face Belichick. I got to face Josh Allen. A lot of big bodies, a lot of big arms. I'm just saying. Uncle Colin does.

not believe in coincidences. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. The Aaron Rogers thing, we've often compared Aaron Rogers to Kevin Durant. We've said Brady and LeBron are like uniquely aspirational, uniquely into their bodies. Like can play forever. Aaron Rogers is more Kevin Durant where, you know, you always feel like he's got one foot in, one foot out. He's a little bit of a, he's a unique personality, little defensive at times, fires back at media. Aaron fires back at media.

Kevin fires back at media. Brady mostly ignores media. I mean, he really just, you know, Steph ignores media. Harden mostly ignores media. So, you know, it's funny that Aaron wants to be treated a certain way and Kevin Durant wanted to be treated a certain way. and Kevin didn't like the way Steph Curry was treated in Golden State. He felt Steph was treated better than Kevin was. So Bob Myers was the GM, and he once made this comment about Steph Curry at a press conference.

Kind of fall into a player like that in my position. I think you owe it to them to try to win, right? Those people don't come along too often with that kind of talent that he obviously has. So it's something we're constantly looking at, Anthony. and certainly we'll try and do it. We want to win. So what he's basically saying is guys like Steph don't show up very often. So when you get him, you got to treat them well.

And Aaron's thinking you've got to treat me well. But then let's play the other soundbite. Bob Myers also said this at a championship celebration in front of Kevin Durant, and it did not play well. And then I heard you tell Kevin Durant he can have whatever contract he wants next year. Yeah, that was just for the media. He can't have anything like that at all. Mid-level.

Yeah, mid-level. behind closed doors. Because I think last year he told Steph he could have any contract he wants too. Yeah, that was different. He's been here from the way before days. He's earned it. Yeah, that didn't really go over that well. And by the way, Kevin Durant laughed, but did you notice the reaction from everybody else?

Ooh, I wouldn't have said that. Ooh, that's kind of harsh. Because everybody kind of knows Kevin's different. Kevin's personality is different. You have to know. Bob Myers probably shouldn't crack that joke. Got to know the temperature in the room. So the whole, and by the way, I have a good source inside the Warriors.

They were walking on eggshells with Kevin Durant the whole time. They knew it. They got tired of it. They were exhausted by it. But they won championships with it. But they always knew this was Kevin Durant's personality. You had to kind of walk on eggshells with Kevin Durant. He was offended by Draymond.

He'd be offended by Kerr. He'd be offended by the media. He'd be offended by Bob Myers. That was his personality. And eventually the Warriors just, you know, they kind of, they were exhausted from dealing with it. I think Green Bay is a little exhausted of Aaron Rogers. And I'm not saying that Bob Meyer should have said that. And I'm not saying the Packers aren't at fault.

But I do think Kevin Durant is a lot. He is, he's a lot. Steph is just come home, hang fam, go to game, score, go home. He's just very, very low maintenance. Steph Curry is about as low maintenance as you can get as a superstar. He's got a very happy family. He's got businesses. He doesn't need to be monitored or you're not babysitting.

Kevin Durant's. There's a lot more going on with Kevin Durant. And I think with Aaron Rogers, Brady, not a lot of babysitting. He's got a very big robust family. He's got a robust business. Not a lot of babysitting with Tom. With Aaron, there is a little bit of a walking on eggshells thing. So I do think, and I'm not saying.

the Packers have done a great job with this. But I do think with Aaron and KD, it's a lot. And I've said this before. I can't, one of my only rules in this business is, you know, my guest bookers, just bring on people who are good. They're verbal. They can talk. They can handle it.

Don't bring on a lot of people under 25 years old and put them on a national show. They're not ready for it. It's too much. Like, give me guests who have talked on shows before and they can spar with me and give me crap. I wouldn't be great dealing with Aaron or Kevin's personality. I wouldn't as a GM. I'd be poor. I'd be like, get over it. Like I've said that one of my kids is a little more sensitive. I'm like, you're not a victim. Let's go. It doesn't work all the time. So I know that I am not capable of dealing with somebody who's super sensitive. I'm too blunt. I'm too harsh. I'm too

direct. I would struggle. So therefore, if I was in Green Bay, after 16 years of Aaron, I'd be worn out. I'd be like, get over it. We're not going to tell you everything. I in San Francisco would have been worn out from KD. I'd be like, you're a grown-up. You have 150 million bucks. Get over it. We don't have to babysit. Clay or Steph, I don't want to babysit you. But then you lose them. Then you lose a KD. And then you lose an Aaron Rogers. So it's a game you have to play. And to be a general manager, you've got to be capable of dealing with a bunch of different personalities. and Golden State He just didn't want to deal with Katie anymore

and he left. And I think Green Bay is tired of dealing with Aaron Rogers and he's about to leave. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. 17 years in the league

Meadow World piece. We watched that Westbrook video last night and years ago you know, Meadow World was involved in a mess, the Brawl to Palace. And I can remember going on the air. I was at ESPN at the time in defending the players saying if I was like one of seven or eight players in an arena and I'm looking around and people are throwing stuff at me, hey, I'd be scared. Like that is like you are sitting in the middle of an arena. And so I defended

the players going after fans who were throwing crap at him. And got a lot of bad press. Probably wasn't great for the league. But I thought Meadow World Peace today would stop by. And we want to talk about this for a second. He's joining us live. So when you see like a fan throwing popcorn on Westbrook, does it make you mad knowing you've been to the same crap before? Well, you know, it just made me think about things. I didn't see something like that a long time. You know, and I saw Russell react, you know, for about four or five seconds.

He was furious, you know. And then you see him gain control and just, you know, this is about one, two, three, four, five, you know, six, seven. Right now you see he's like, chilling out now. I was like, okay, just get the guy. Don't let him get away, you know. So I was proud of Russell, man. I was just like so proud of him.

The fan, you know, they've got to, you know, relax, man, like, y'all tripping. You know, it's too much. And when I got suspended, you know, they never really showed a clip of when the actual cup was tossed from the stands, they always show me running into the stands. Right. So fans, that's what they'd see.

Meta World Peace ran into the stand, but they don't see, they never show, no outlets, no media ever show the cut. But I saw all the angles because we was in a courtroom. And we saw every angle. They was trying to actually put us in jail for this. Like literally the people in Detroit, Auburn Hills, actually. The judge was literally trying to want to give us jail time.

You know, it's funny what people, People forgot, never got reported. Many of those Detroit fans, do you remember this meta? They had criminal records. They were like not, it's true. They went out and found who the fans were, and they were just troublemakers. They were just guys that wanted to be jerks. When you got into that fight, was some of it, you were scared for your life here

because you guys were the bad guys. It was an intense series. Was some of it just fear to protect yourself? Well, I'm never fearful. Like, you know, when you grow up where I'm from, you know, you play basketball. I mean, I remember playing basketball and then guys flashed a gun and saying, if you make the free throw, you know, we're going to shoot. I knew they wasn't going to shoot because we had my friends and my friends was kind of packed up too. But I was never fearful, you know, I was just like, you know, when I went in there, I was just like, yo, why did you throw it at me?

So the guy I hit. And you see, you see this right here. show is this. Fox. Well, they show the stuff. They show people throwing stuff at you. No, but they got to show the original. It looks like I just ran into the stands because the narrative is bad.

There's no disrespect to any of the attitude. I'm just saying, like, I'm just saying from my perspective, this is all we see for years. This cup has been, but the guy who, when I went into the stands, everybody said that Medaro Peace attacked the fan who didn't throw the cup. Well, now everybody know I'm friends with John Green, the guy who actually threw the cup. The guy that I hit first, he bet John Green $50 that he couldn't hit me with the cup. And how I notice is because me and John Green speak like once a month or maybe a couple of times a week sometimes, you know, so I know what happened. And at that time, when that fan raised his hand,

the only reason the fans going to raise their hand is because somebody hit a three or somebody got dunked on or something. When I seen him raise his hand, I'm like, oh, wow, he's happy. because I got hit. So when I ran into that direction and I was like really upset like why did you hit me? He didn't hit me but the guy who was protecting me

from hitting the other guy that I was on he was like hey you know relax you know fight this come on relax I'm thinking he's like saying just relax and he stopped punching me in the face that was John Green the guy I'm cool with right now right but the other kid initiated

the whole thing. $50 bet you know and it's like I lost so much, but it's okay because I'm a warrior. I'm from the streets, and I don't really care, but, you know, I did lose a lot, you know, that date. My L.A. Gare deal was going. L.A. Gare did an ad a month before in Slam magazine that had me stepping on fans and eating fans as a cartoon character. Can you believe this?

I was in an ad, and the thing happened, and then they dropped me. I'm like, you guys made an ad that I didn't draw it. I can't draw. I didn't come up with this ad, eating fans, and then they dropped me. So I'm like, okay, my college junior's commercial, gone, money gone, right? T&T commercial, gone. ESPN commercial, gone, you know? That's another defensive player of the year, All-Star, another first team or second-team all-defense.

I was 13 before that. Came back averaging seven points more, you know what I'm saying? and still locking down. So with that being said, it's okay. I'm okay. But, you know, I'm just really happy that security was there for Westbrook. Because Westbrook is a hell of an athlete. He could have easily ran away from that security.

They can't catch him. You know? What should we do to fans that do this? What do you believe we should do to fans? Your fans now are John Green, but what should we do to fans who do this? Doesn't, man, I mean, because, you know, I'm from the era where you fight and you make out. I had no issues with John. John hit me.

I addressed it and that was it. I ain't got no issue. Some of my best friends be having fights and they make up in worse fights. So that's what I come from that era, you know, where you fight it out and then you make up. Right. But in this situation, this is the reality of the situation. When the fans, when the players are playing basketball, they're there to entertain and they're not only entertaining. They've really given you a piece of themselves every night.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Look at how Kobe played. Look how Westbrook plays. They've given you their all every night, you know, and enjoy it. The talking is okay. I mean, I play in Detroit, Philly, Boston. I've heard all sorts of things.

And I'm like, you know what, that's a part of the game. You're trying to get me off the game by calling my mama a ho. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Right. And right in my air. I had one fan in Detroit, get up in my air. And Detroit is tough.

but they didn't know me. So I gave this fan a pass, but he was like, yo, mama's a hole, right? And I was like, okay, I'm gonna take the ball out, I'm gonna play, and be trying to win the game.

You know what? I was always cool with all that stuff. But when you start touching people, throwing stuff, even though popcorn is not going to kill nobody. We know popcorn ain't going to kill nobody. But it's just like, you cannot,

it's the ultimate form of disreactual. respect. Right. Right. And that's the thing that, you know, popcorn, yeah, is light, but, you know, something has to happen. You know, I don't know if it's worth getting banned for life, but it's worth something happening, you know? Yeah. I always love bringing you on, Meta. Thank you. You even tell me when people are disrespecting your mama. So I, that's why, that's why, By the way, he's a sports founder of X versus X. A basketball social connection platform allows players to connect with basketball, host, players, gyms, according.

It is called X versus X. We got to go, but it's meta is always great. X versus X. He's the founder. Go to it, and it's great seeing you, bud. My guy. See you later. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

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