The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 06/01/2021 - HOUR 2 - NBA, Tebow, Packers

Episode Date: June 1, 2021

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It is hour two. We are live in Los Angeles. The show's called to her. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Some days we get very lucky on our guests. So the first hour, Joy had a tennis story, which I didn't know she was going to have, and it led us into mental health. And then we had J.A. Adonda, head of journalism, to talk about this tennis player.

It was just a perfect guest. And because she doesn't want to talk to the media. And our takeaway is it's mental health. She's acknowledging it. You know, she'll take the fine. But it was a fascinating topic. And then the fan behavior, we had J.A. Adonde, and I thought it was perfect. And I have a guest, Cedric Savals, in a couple of minutes, too.

I think he's a perfect guest today. He's a former son, got them to the finals in the early 90s. Former Laker played at Cal State. I watched him play in college. And now he's a VP of corporate relations for the Dallas Mavericks, and they've got Luca. So he just touches so many things today. I want to say this. I like the sons tonight to win because AD is not going to play, overwhelmingly not going to play.

AD's got a groin strain. And it's just, I mean, I've had one of those in my life, and they do not go away. And I couldn't even jog. Forget playing a competitive sport. And it is interesting is that this is the way the NBA works. You're a great college player. You get drafted in the top 10 and overwhelmingly go to a cruddy team. And we don't watch you.

We watch the Lakers. or the Celtics or the Warriors dynasty or the Jordan Bulls or the Kobe Magic Laker. We don't watch the bad teams in the NBA and a lot of times they don't make the playoffs. So most of you did not watch Anthony Davis unless you lived in New Orleans. And then he becomes a Laker and I hear Laker fans saying, man, he's hurt all the time. Well, yeah, that's kind of, it's like saying suddenly Paul George is struggling in the playoffs. That's kind of been Paul George's thing. He's great athlete, great player.

But he struggled in the playoffs at OKC in Indy, but it's now the Clippers are a very high-profile team because of Kauai Leonard, the Doc Rivers left, the firing. AD has been hurt a lot. His first year in the league, he's like a 19-year-old kid. He missed 18 games. Next year he missed 15. Next year he missed 14. Next year he missed 21. That's a quarter of the league.

At the time, he was 22 years old. He had a couple of good years, 2016, 2017. He got healthy. Following year, missed 26. This year he's missed 36. Those are big chunks of games. And I've said this, KD and AD are hurt a lot, but they're very unique. They're slasher's.

So when I grew up with basketball, if you were seven feet, you're opposed. You're back to the basket. But Kevin Durant is a great ball handler. For a seven-footer, he's terrific. And what does that mean? He drives the basket. He can beat guys off the dribble. He is a slasher.

Slashers were always like Pippin, six, seven. They weren't seven-footers. What does that mean? AD similarly was a guard as junior year high. school. Then he had a growth spurt. So AD is a slasher. Now he's he doesn't like to play the five. He doesn't even want to be a center. He tells people, I don't want to be a center. I'm a four. Well, of course, because his junior year of high school, he was a guard. And so AD and KD drive the lane, put the ball on the floor and they get tripped up. And they, it's a long way to fall at 7-1 to

that hard NBA tile. And they're AD and KD when they, it's a big difference. Donovan Mitchell falls. or Westbrook does. You're like, okay, you watch KD and AD hit the floor. It's like a building toppling. You're like, ah, it's just always uncomfortable. And I think it leads to their brittleness. They're banging on the floor, their slash. So their gift actually becomes a little bit of a liability.

Little bit of a liability. I mean, AD hits the floor a lot. He hits it hard. He's banged up. And I just think you didn't watch him in New Orleans, but this has really become his reable. He gets hurt, and I don't think the Lakers, I think when Chris Paul has been on the floor in this series, outside of the third quarter in game two, I think Phoenix has been better. And I just think it's totally unfair to say, oh, yeah, he'll come back with a groin strain.

No way. Come on, be honest. Anybody watching this show who's had that kind of injury, you can't go play an NBA game with that. Luca's injury reportedly this morning, there's been some, it's healing fast. Chris Paul's injury, but a groin strain? That to me feels like series over. And with that I bring on, he was an all-star, a dunk champ, 11 years in the NBA, now of Vice President Bigwig, four years for the Dallas Madricks.

Cedric Sabalas is now joining us live. I have so many things I want to hit on. First of all, let's... We've been talking fan behavior today, and so let's just start with that. Sometimes guys like me are guilty, Cedric, of we're prisoners of the moment. And I watch these actions and I think, man, these fans are terrible.

And then Joy brings up, this has probably been happening for a long time. And now you can just see everything. Right. We all have phones. That thing in Philadelphia could have happened 30 times. We just didn't see it. So when you look at the fan behavior, are we overreacting to it? I mean, when you played, was this like every road trip, there'd be a goofy fan doing something?

Yeah, goofy fan is one thing. you know, dumping popcorn on Russell Westbrook, spitting on Tray Young and the young lady that was in the front row, those type of things, it gets ridiculous. And I think now is to a point that, you know, we're talking about it now. You know, we've got the NBA playoffs going on now. And we're talking about it and we're giving them attention. I even thought last night in Philadelphia, the guy was hired because he had advertising on. the other players had the other fans they had on jerseys and you know you know fan stuff this guy had an advertising shirt on like he was just trying to get you know a couple of hits uh and then people

noticing that company so this guy might not have been you see i'm saying like yeah he's he's trying to advertise knowing that this is going to get played on every national television show uh it's going to get replayed off of phones all that stuff so i think it's that's when it's going to get really dangerous where guys are trying to, you know, getting paid to run out and do some things. You know, let's talk about Dallas Clippers. So when you played for the Lakers, that is a winning organization, the culture, the family. There's a certain confidence when you were a Laker that you would succeed in the playoffs. This is what you do.

The Clippers are different. And so the minute they struggle in the playoffs, the ghosts hover over the playoffs. the franchise. And go back to your NBA career. Was it different in the postseason being a Laker? Because you made the playoffs eight times in 11 years. Does it matter when your history is ridden like the Cubs with losing, gagging? I mean, take me to that space for the Clippers right now because I felt coming into the playoffs after they lost those first two, Cedric. I'm like, oh boy, the shoulders are tight with the Clippers. Talk a little bit about that. Yeah, it's real difficult.

As a Lakers, especially that Mystique can come in, you start going into the playoffs. You're expected. I think my first round in the playoffs against Seattle, we ended up in upsetting. I think it was a seven seed. We were a seven seed or six seed, and we ended up upsetting Gary Payton and Sean Kemp.

So then that mystique kind of takes over. We end up losing, taking David Robinson in the six games. But I think the most important thing about, you know, playing for a big organization like that is understanding your expectations on what they are. I mean, obviously, we made the transition from the magic era and then on to the

Shaq and Kobe era, and they weren't expecting us to be this. You know, the Clippers come in here. They make these transactions, Kauai, George, you know, they let Doc go. They are looking for a championship. I don't think our Laker fans were looking for a championship with myself, Nick Van Exo, and the rest of the guys. We weren't looking for a championship. That's why they love watching us so much.

but they are looking for a championship. When you go into the beginning of the season press conference talking championship and then you lose your first two games, it puts a lot of pressure. But what it also does, it brings you guys together. And I think that's what the road trip did. Maybe if they lost the first two in Dallas and then went back to L.A., that might have been a little different because they had time to separate from each other and not be on the bus, not be on the plane, not be in a hotel room together.

I think it really brought them closer. And then when you're the enemy, you're coming into dangerous territories because AAC was rocking those two games, three and four. It brings you guys closer together, and I think that's what they did. I want to talk about Luca. So he was an international player, and he was very, very young. And I've talked to your boss, Mark Cuban, about this. So how crazy. You go from Dirk, the best international guy, to Luca.

And, you know, Mark said there are some things we learn with Dirk Dinovitzky we won't do again. how to protect him, how to promote him. Did you know instantly as a former NBA player when you saw Luca? Because I looked at his video and I thought, yeah, look, it's international. I don't know. What did you see instantly, Cedric, and go, oh, okay, like this guy's a star? Well, first, you know, playing in a professional league at 14, 15 years old, that's what I saw. I mean, regardless if he came over here and was a flop, the fact that he made a professional

team at 14, 15 years old. I mean, I'm in junior high school at that time. Still playing with my GI Joe. And this guy is traveling all over the world, being a professional. That was the first part. But then the second part, the fact that I thought, you know, I made the comparisons with him and Larry Bird. And this guy is faster than Larry Bird.

He's strong than Larry Bird. Obviously, he's not a winner like Larry Bird has already proven and done all these MVP things. But he's just 22. But the way he controls his body, the way he understands angles, the way he constantly can get to the basket or get any shot that he wants. You know, it's just Luke of Magic. I call him triple donchitz because he can get a triple double anytime he wants. That's funny.

You know, I love Ben Simmons. I want to talk about this last night. So years ago, they had Hacka Shack. Now it's Hacka Simmons. They want him at the free throw line because he can't shoot. Now he's a great defender, A plus defender, A plus passer, great finisher at the rim. But I said this morning, the thing that does concern me a little,

And I'm not expecting everybody to be Kobe and LeBron where they're obsessive and they're off seasons. They literally take a day off and then they go into the wait room the next day. Not everybody's going to be that. It does worry me, though, Cedric. And I want you to take me into your career and the mind of players that he not only can't shoot, but he doesn't appear bothered by it. Last night, he's like, yeah, it's no pressure. It's basketball.

And I think to myself, no, I want it to bother you. I want you to work on it. And I'm a huge fan of Ben Simmons, but he's getting worse. It's this nonchalant sort of attitude in regards to his shooting. Am I overreacting or is that a real thing? I think it's a real thing, but I think with Ben, he's thinking about it and it's affecting other parts of his game. When they hack the Shaq, Shaq knew, hey, I can't shoot free throws.

My hands are huge. The ball is too small. It is what it is. And then his big thing is saying, hey, I made it when it counts. in late game situation. But he didn't let that affect him being dominant. He's making it a point to let everybody know because they know it's 50 million cameras on him

when he's making or missing free throws. That is no big deal. So I think that's affecting his play also. I went through the same scenario. I think I was shooting maybe in the low 60s, my first year in the league. I got with Jeff Hornacek, the great Paul Westfall, the rest of the piece.

And they changed some things around in the summer. made me do some orthodox way of shooting free throws, but it worked. I ended up shooting in the high 90s later on in my career. But I think when you start thinking about it, and now he's not only thinking about it, but he's thinking about everybody wanting him to be reacting and thinking about it and show it in his emotion.

So he's got that two things working for him right now that I think he just needs to avoid. If he makes him, he makes him. It's more important things that he does on the basketball court than make those free throws. and sometimes psychologically some of the coaches are following him on purpose just to get his psyche going and maybe make him make mistakes on the floor. Cedric Sabalas, the vice president corporate relations with the Mavs,

11 years in the NBA at Dunk Champ, an All-Star got to the finals, 93 with the sons. So I said this, when Chris Paul has been on the floor and like healthy, give me 30 minutes, outside of a third quarter in game two, I think Phoenix has been better. I do not think LeBron at this point can go Superman. I just don't think he can. Your thoughts about tonight's game with no AD and the Lakers Sun series going forward,

Cedric. Yeah, healthy-wise with Chris Paul. I just need Chris Paul the last eight minutes of the fourth quarter, regardless of what goes on in first to third. I mean, that guy is just dangerous when it comes to late game situations. He's very crafty. He keeps the ball in his hands. He makes right plays.

This is a scenario. I think Chris Paul has been in before, but I think in game ending series or game changing series, he usually gets into altercations. He got in with the Clippers. OK, see same situation when he was in New Orleans. He getting situations that throw his games off.

I think the maturity has shown. I think Aiden can be a key to this. I always said that at the beginning of the season when they got Chris Paul that it would make Aiden so much bigger and better in his situation. Maybe not the rim protector. I think the Sun's won. Coach Moni,

Williams once, but effectiveness on the boards. Yeah. You get you 10 to 20 points. Excellent situation. LeBron has done this before. He's gotten in the finals with a subpart team, even though, you know, you had love on that team when we went to Cleveland, and then also you had Shaq and Nogoskis on that team.

But they weren't at the best level at AD. But I think he's going to need AD, maybe game six and seven to get throughout the suns. Tonight I don't think it's going to happen. Yeah. What a pleasure. Cedric Sabalos, former NBA All-Star, now vice president of the Dallas Maverick. Say hi to Mark Cuban.

Loved having you on the show, Cedric. You're always a gift for us. And thank you again. Anytime. Thank you. Yeah, I remind him every time before we go on the air that I watch them at Cal State Fullerton. And by the way, he was offered to go to UNLV and they were dominating college basketball. He was offered to go to LSU with Shaq and Chris Jackson. He was off. But Cedric was an under the radar guy. And he didn't want to go to one of these great programs and score 12 points.

He said, for me to get to the league, I got to. to score 25. I got to do a Damian Lillard. Go to a small school, huge numbers, and people go, whoa, whoa, who's that? So, and he's done very well for himself. He is a cousin of the late Kobe Bryant, by the way. So obviously, painful situation for him, but he's done well for himself and loved having him on the show. Good stuff today. The Packer situation, they leak a story and double down on Aaron Rogers, that around the corner, and Tim Tebow. A little breaking story on Tim Tebow. We are your news leader for all things, Timmy.

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common complaint I've heard from past coaches about it. It's not that he's actively fueling it, but he doesn't do anything to calm it down. Now, let me support Tebow here. Then don't bring him on to the team. It's not Tim Tebow's job to be a football player and simultaneously a PR department head. Okay? don't bring him on if you can't handle the circus. That ain't Thiebos' fault.

Very positive. Now I'm going to have to be bad Uncle Colin. I will say this about Tim. He's a good guy. I know Tim. He's a good guy. I've met his brother. Good guy.

But he's not naive. Tebow mania is a brand. And Tim knows it's a brand. And it's a very lucrative brand. He's not naive. When he left Denver, Jacksonville wanted him. and the Jets wanted him. He chose New York. Why? Because he was going to get more publicity.

Remember, lots of people run for president. Have you ever noticed this? Somebody runs for president, and you think, well, they're polling it like 1%. They have no chance to be president. He doesn't, she doesn't. Why do they run for president? Because their speaking fees go up. you get talked about on CNN or Fox News or MSNBC for weeks, months on end. Instead of charging $10,000 for a speaking engagement, you charge $30,000 to $50,000. That's a real career. Rudy Giuliani makes money now on speaking engagements to conservative groups, like hundreds of thousands, millions a year, right?

Like that's a business. Tebow Mania is a brand. It's a business. Tim chose New York because you get on television a lot. half of the building at ESPN is jet fans. Yankee fans and jet fans rule the building. And so it's a lot of jet coverage and it's a lot of Yankee coverage. And so, and I'm, this is not to say that Tebow's a bad guy.

He's an opportunist and it is a brand. I mean, Urban got hired on January 14th, a month later almost exactly, Tim retired for baseball. Okay. Isn't that dumb guy. He can connect the dots here. So my only point is the story today is Tim doesn't slow down the circus whenever he comes to town and creates a circus. And I will defend him on that.

It's not his job. You bring Tebow in. That's why I go in the air and I warn people. Okay, here comes a circus. Even Joy, who's well-researched. He won't be a quarterback. Two days later, I'm putting a quarterback. I mean, this is what, and by the way, I'm sure, you know, when that was brought up, Tim is like, oh, I can certainly do that.

This is part of the Tebow thing I have heard about since Denver. It's now a brand. It's now a thing. It's speaking engagements. It's advertising. And it is not his fault. If teams are willing to bring him on, then it's not his job. to put out the fire. It's your job to do homework knowing you bring him in. There will be a fire.

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I'm wearing it now. Joy with the news. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the Lakers are facing a tough road this postseason if Anthony Davis isn't on the floor. They have put all of their faith in LeBron and AD, but with both of them missing time this year with injuries,

the roster could look a lot different. next year if the team tries to get their stars more help. One assistant GM told Bleacher report that the Lakers were built for the finals, and if they don't get there this year, they will definitely look in the mirror. So there could be a lot of changes coming this offseason to the Lakers if they don't win championship this year. They seem to be all in on Andre Drummond, so they have a lot of free agents this off season. Dennis Schroeder reportedly declined a four-year $84 million extension. Andre Drummond, Alex Caruso, Montres Harrell has a player option.

Taylin Horton Tucker is restricted. Markief Morris, Wesley Matthews. The whole roster. Yeah, Jared Dudley, Costas, Devonche. What about KCP? What's his status? He is not a free agent. He's not on this list of free agents as off-season.

He's not been great this off-season, but there's value there when he plays well. You know, it's... Listen, when you have LeBron... this is kind of what you do. You build a roster for the moment. Yes. Any team that LeBron James is on is built for the finals. So it's kind of redundant to say like the Lakers are built for the finals. Of course, they're not developing. They're not rebooting this. You know, maybe two. When we first got to the Lakers, there was some feeling out of what it was going to look like and then he got injured and we know what happened. But yes, at this point in LeBron's career, he's not somewhere because he's like trying to build a culture.

Like this is what you're going to do. Right. So if it doesn't work, then you're going to shake things. up because that's how it goes. It's interesting. Like, I'll give an example. This is why baseball doesn't have a salary cap. You like a guy you can keep a guy, right? This is the difficulty with a salary cap.

Like Dennis Schrooter, I like. I just don't like him at the number he wants. When he's good, like Dennis Schrooter in that game too, you're like, wow, he is a handful. He's long. He can be attack, very offensive-minded,

but Dennis is going to want to make 20 million a year. And it's like, okay, we can't. do that. So this same with Andre Drummond. Like there are the Lakers roster has a bunch of guys that I would love at the right price. But when you're paying AD and LeBron with you're paying them, everything becomes budget. Now it's all about budget. And so to your point and the story is, it's got to start over. We got to find new, because LeBron's shown an ability to add new pieces and he quickly figures it out. He does the Rubik's Cube real fast. Well, Casey P sent a three year deal last November. Yeah. So he'll, Casey B will be back.

LeBron will be back. And even AD, nothing's for sure. Look, the thing with AD is none of this is surprising to me, which is why the idea that last year was like the year that Anthony Davis is finally going to step into the light, be the one on a LeBron James team. It's just silly. Like it's not that Anthony Davis isn't a great player,

but he is not consistently healthy. That is not like, there's, There's plenty of evidence of that. Maybe it's his fault. Maybe it's not. It doesn't matter. That's what it is. He's not consistently healthy enough to be that guy.

So what's happening with the Lakers right now and what's happened this year is not terribly surprising. LeBron James has played a very long time. Even though he takes immaculate care of his body, eventually you're going to get older and it's going to be harder to come back from injuries. And Anthony Davis is always injured. So this isn't terribly shocking. I don't know that they're not going to make it out of the series because it is still LeBron James. and he's never lost a first round series. And some of this is still going to be contingent on how healthy Chris Paul

continues to stay throughout the rest of the series. But moving on, it's a really long road to the finals for the Lakers. So Joelle and Bede suffered a knee injury after a hardfall in the first quarter of last night's loss to the Wizards. He went to the locker room after the quarter ended and was ruled out due to knee soreness. Showing it there. I mean, again, watch the bigs when they fall. Like it just looks worse. Well, yeah, they don't.

They've got further to go. from the sky to the ground, but they also don't fall in the compact way that someone, someone who's a guard who is used to diving for balls. It's like arms flailing, bodies flailing. It's not a whole lot of finesse. No, it's like when a little kid falls skiing, they're like three feet tall. When I fall skiing, it's a yard sale. It's just arms and limbs and everything's flying all over.

Well, they have a lower center of gravity. Doc Rivers said after the game that Embeded status for Game 5 is uncertain. He will have an MRI to determine the extent. of the injury today. I mean, he also has a very long, extensive injury history. He's 17 games this season due to injuries. So hopefully this isn't anything too serious.

It's just, you know, they can give him some rest. They're going to win this series, obviously. So hopefully they'll get a little time off so he can get back to being healthy, but really rough fall and hate to see it. I mean, we talked about this yesterday. It's a little bit of luck. Like, you'd be great.

That's how it works. Like, luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Be great. And then you're going to get breaks and then you win a championship. Like, that's how it goes most years. And there's nothing wrong with that because that's how it goes most years. Like, that's how winning happens. Sometimes, you know, somebody fouls out or somebody messes up or someone gets injured.

And this year, because it is still a very strange year coming out of the pandemic. Condensed schedule. There's just a lot of injuries. And it might come down to kind of similar to last year where in the bubble was like, who can handle this new environment. who can excel in this in this strange space, which everyone had to deal with, who can be healthy at the end of this condensed season is what it might come down to. Oh, I think it's probably going to come down to that.

So this offseason top quarterbacks like Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson have been much more vocal about wanting their opinions, Herb, when it comes to personnel decisions. Dak Prescott does not feel this way. He said he's comfortable with how things stand between him and the organization. I trust the people around here that have those titles and have that positions or have those positions to do what they need to, and I feel like they do ask me,

and they bring me into the rope of things when they feel like they should. And we have a great relationship, so I don't want to ever begin to compare what's going on here in Dallas and how we handle things to other organizations. He's just so good at the right. Always says the right thing.

100 for 100. It's so great. I love it so much. But I also think it's very genuine and authentic, which is why it's so good. I mean, listen, Russell Wilson did that for a very long time and kind of shocked all of us this year when he, you know, stepped out and made things a little uncomfortable for Seattle. So look, Dak just got all his money and he's in

a great situation and I like their draft and they certainly are not shy about giving him skill position players. Right. So there's not a whole lot for, you know, him to be upset about it if he was at this particular point. But, you know, I think that this is kind of, this is what DAC does. He just says the right thing and supports his organization. I don't think he's at the point, like I said, in his career, where he would need to make some kind of noise like that. No, I mean, I think he's been given great gifts. I mean, Ezekiel Elliott, great receivers. He's actually, it's a little the opposite of Russell Wilson, where Dak has a surplus of offensive. Yeah, they lean on the offensive side of the ball.

Yeah, whereas Seattle is a Pete Carroll defensive-based organization where he's constantly needs upgrades offensively. So there you go, Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. You know, Joy was mentioning this, that Joe L.M.B. got hurt. I picked the Milwaukee Bucks to win the championship.

And I said this at the time, we made our picks about two weeks ago, and I said a week ago, and I said Milwaukee, and I have them beating the Lakers. And one of the reasons I said it is, I think they'll be healthier. And to Joy's point, it's a good, last year is the bubble. This year's a condition. dense schedule, and a lot of guys are getting hurt. And when you look at the playoffs, Mb now Sixers hurt. A.D. Now Lakers hurt. Chris Paul's been hurt for the sons.

Kauai has always got a little bit of a load management thing with the Clippers. Porzingis with the Mavericks. Luca. Luca is now hurt for the Mavericks. KD. and Kyrie injury history with the Nets. Yonis eight years, he's had one small injury. And it's funny how much injuries matter in the NBA. So the staff went back and looked this morning.

So in 2014, D. Wade saddled with injuries in the final. Heat lose. 2015, Kevin Lovin, Kyrie get hurt in the final. Cavs lose because of it. 2016, don't laugh. Andrew Bogot got hurt. Remember, game seven, Andrew Bogot, starting center warriors hurt. Cleveland comes back and wins the final.

2017, Kauai gets hurt against Golden State in the Western Conference finals. They had him dead on the ropes. Boom, done. Following year, who has the dynasty for the Warriors in trouble? Houston. Western Conference Finals. Chris Paul gets hurt. Next year, Clay and Katie get hurt in the finals.

Toronto wins. And then last year, Miami gets to the finals. Bam gets hurt. Goren, Drog, get hurt. Everybody except Jimmy Butler got hurt. They just ran out of energy juice in people. So you go back to 2014, 2015, 16, 17, 17, 18, 1920. Injuries are huge in this league because you're demanding, I mean, you say this about,

you think in the NFL, you know, we think it's the sport with regulated levels of violence, but it's remarkable how often teams are healthy late in the year. The NBA, you've got three games a week, seven footers on planes, you land, you get down, you are burning 7,000 calories at night. These are different unique bodies than NFL bodies. A lot of NFL guys, they're like six feet tall, 245. NBA guys are seven feet tall. And you're running around, you're hitting the floor. And so it's remarkable. This is why I pick Milwaukee. Janice and Chris Middleton don't get hurt. And I think this is the year that attrition is going to play a huge part. Now this morning, Joel M.B., MRI, you cross your fingers if you're in

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And those fans, like they're over Aaron Rogers. Like, I know he's great. but we had Leroy Butler was on last week and he goes on my show it's 95-5. Packer fans are done with it. Hang out with your celebrities. Do Jeopardy. I mean, don't you think it's crazy that Green Bay Management leaks another story? We're not budging.

Well, I look at it a couple of different ways. From the Packers perspective as an organization, they shouldn't budge. Like, he's the MVP of the National Football League. He's coming off of one of his best seasons. reasons. He's 37 years old. He still gives you the best chance to win. Why are you going to budge? You don't budge. You call his bluff. If he's going to, and if he desires to be out, he will come out and say it eventually. If he doesn't, he's going to be disgruntled. He's going to be right there and we're going to see him performing and playing under center for the Green Bay Packers. Jeopardy is not a lock. He hasn't been offered that gig. And I know every

Everyone's like, what if? There's a lot of what ifs in lives. And the Packers right now, they're like, what if we just say we're not budging? There is nothing Aaron Rogers can do outside of not play. So they win in that situation. So it's interesting. So I'm not going to ask you all Green Bay questions. So I want to ask you about Julio Jones.

He's expensive. He's coming off injuries. Would you give up a first round pick for Julio Jones? Ah, you know what? It depends on the team. It depends on the team. I would love to see Julio Jones with a young quarterback that has a receiver alongside that is already established that can take some of the weight off of Julio Jones.

That quarterback and that team and that receiver happens to be where you are. In L.A., the Chargers alongside Keenan Allen with the young Justin Herbert at quarterback. I think they can afford it. I wouldn't give up a first round for Julio. He might be worth it to some teams, but at this stage in his career, as great as he is, I don't think you will have to give up a first round for Julio Jones. He wants to be out.

He already wants to be out of Atlanta. He's expressed that. So that's already lowered the value right there coming out of the gate. Okay, you're a pro athlete. So this will sound ridiculous, but I think you can fool a lot of coaches, you can't fool players. So Justin Fields, the video is out at practice, and he is ripped. He looks like he's in pads.

He's just ripped. Six-four, big arm. And I think you're going to have to start him in Chicago. You put Andy Dalton next to him on a practice field. You're not going to get buy-in from players when you watch him. Mack Jones video comes out. He looks small, baggy pants, doesn't fill out. the uniform standing next to Cam Newton.

And I'm saying to myself, I know this sounds ridiculous, but I think players buy in or don't buy in during camp. And I see the Justin Fields video and I see the Max Jones video. And I'm sorry, I'm a visual creature here. Does that stuff matter to players? It does matter, but you can't just base everything on visuals. Like when you listen to guys like Kendrick Bourne, who's there, who's catching the passes, who's watching him go through his film study, who's in the locker

room, who's in the study room, who's on the field with him. And he's speaking highly. And again, it is Kendrick Bourne. He's a good player. He's not a great receiver. He has great, good talent. He's not a guy that you're going to just hang your hat on and say, oh, Kendrick Bourne said it, so everybody should believe it. But it is credible when you think about the way that players look at guys. And he wouldn't have praised him. I pause on that. He would praise him because it is his quarterback. But to go to the extent, it wouldn't have been to the extent of what he was saying. And when you look at you can look at Mac Jones right now.

Like he has Cam Newton alongside him. I mean, look at this. He wins every swag war that is ever presented. You cannot come out to practice looking like that. Look at that. Like go down a short size. go down maybe two, let them be a little tighter. Look at that.

Even in the 50, I mean, they just make them look bad. I mean, all of what you're saying is right. He does look small. He does look like he can put on some size. But he's smart. He's what they want. And I think he's going to be well in that system because of the pieces around him at coaching at the coaching spots.

and then even some of the personnel that they now have required, specifically the tight ends. I know I feel like a bad guy here, but I just saw that Justin Fields video, and I was like, you're not going to keep, I mean, let's be honest about it. So we have the Justin Field video. If he looks good in the preseason,

the Bears fans have been tolerating Trebisky for years. Look at this kid, 6'4, moving around. I know it's just video, but that kid is so decked out. If he looks good in the preseason, you've been in that division before. You think Chicago fans are like, yeah, we're good with Andy Dalton. Greg, I don't buy that for a. I think he's going to pop in practice for these guys.

And too many guys are going to be like, coach, look at a kid. We all know. Without seeing him play even a down in the NFL, I believe he's going to pop. With the way he communicates, the way he commands the respect of his teammates already, even at the mini camps, the rookie mini camps that we saw, and we were privy to, his posture, his disposition, everything about him says, I am the alpha already. He does everything right. He says the right things. We know how smart he is.

However, it will not hurt the Bears to start Andy Dalton. It will not hurt. You can go to him at any point, at any moment. If it's the second quarter of the first game, if it's week two, you are. Always have that card, and I know they're going to play it sooner rather than later. All right. Yeah, I don't want to be a bad guy. Just when I see video of practice and one guy's got baggy pants standing next to can,

and your guy looks like an Adonis, I got an opinion on it, okay? I mean, it's kind of like my shirt and how it's buttoned up versus your shirt and how it's just open at the top. And just, I mean, it's just, we're different. Yeah, one of us is a professional and one of us is sloppy is what you're saying. I totally get that. No, I'm not. You definitely kill it at your job and your occupation.

All right. Get out of here, Greg Jennings, Fox Sports. Good seeing you. By the way, Justin Fields jersey's joy. Tebow's jerseys are the number one and two sellers. The number three selling jersey is Justin Fields. The number three selling jersey is Justin Fields' orange bear jersey. The number four selling jersey.

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