The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 06/10/2021 - HOUR 1 - Chris Paul, Packers, Dak Prescott

Episode Date: June 10, 2021

Chris Paul's career is amazing, he should get more consideration for MVPIt doesn't matter who wins the PR battle in Green BayDak Prescott has been signed by Michael Jordan's brandGuest: Ric Bucher Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't know why they didn't let him talk. It's fine. It's amazing. Let's put him in bubble wrap. Jordan Love Talk. You're like, yeah, sounds good to me. Ready to go. And then he also played very well yesterday.

So we'll go to the Packers practice live to hear from a guy of a pension. We don't know. We've been calling him the Loch Ness Monster. We got like a grainy piece of footage on Jordan Love last year. I mean, we're like, can we just get a little piece of footage? So it could be a monster. It could be scary. It could be nothing.

We don't know about Jordan Love. It's all just guessing, but it looked like yesterday, he can talk, he can throw, he can run. It's very exciting. Well, maybe the pressure's on after all. So we'll go to Green Bay, very exciting. Like I always say, Joy and I do not root for bad quarterback play. Ever. No, no.

I want everyone to be competitive. We would love. Aaron goes to Denver. They win. Jordan's a star. They win. Two more good teams to talk about. Let's start with the NBA game, though, last night.

You know I'm a Chris Paul fan. And I think it's, I have a soft spot in my heart for people who have overcome stuff. You know, the other day, we were walking around the neighborhood. And my wife says to me, I don't understand how, like you see a 20 year old and they own these homes. And I said, well, that's daddy's money or mommy's money. I said, I don't resent them, but I don't respect them. Big difference. You live in my neighborhood and you're 20.

You didn't buy that house. And my point is, yeah, I believe it. or not, I have a nice neighborhood. The point is, this is why I respect Chris Paul so much. This is why I love Chris Paul. These things I'm about to read all happen to Chris Paul. He was drafted by the New Orleans Hornets. Remember them?

Yeah, due to Hurricane Katrina, he could not play his first two years there. They had to play in Oklahoma City. I don't know. Sounds kind of disruptive. They ended up winning. Then he got traded the Lakers. Oh, no, the league stepped in. Can't do that.

But we will allow you to be traded to the worst owner in the league and the worst team, the Clippers. And they won there. He was then traded to Houston, which has had all sorts of dysfunction. And they won there, 65 games, in fact. And he had the worst break. Literally, he got hurt leading the dynasty three to Western Conference finals. Then he was traded to Oklahoma City. They were tanking.

And he's like, I'll make it work. And then he got traded into Phoenix. I hope you guys remember what Phoenix was like a year ago. And a year before that, before that and before that, bad owner, Robert Sarver, worst franchise in the league for five years, winning percentage. And he's now winning there. I mean, I love Kauai Leonard, but he inherited Tim Duncan and Manu Genoblee

and Tony Parker and a great owner and Greg Popovich. I love Magic Johnson, but he inherited, you know, Kareem. Chris Paul has dealt with natural disasters, awful owners, tanking franchises, injuries at the worst time. And what I'm about to tell you, you're not going to believe, he has a higher regular season winning percentage than Kobe Bryant and Steph Curry and Kevin Durant. No wonder Chris Paul is a spokesman for State Farm. He's always got stuff happening to him, but he's the best insurance in the league. You get him, you win. But Colony has no titles.

Titles. The fact that he hasn't quit is amazing. I mean, there's guys drafted in his draft class. They've just given up the league, and they could still play. Well, he doesn't have titles. Folks, if you grow up in an abusive house, poor, the expectations change. We don't expect you to be number one in your class in Yale and a billionaire. If you can be married and happy and get a college degree and be a good neighbor and a good human being in race kids, you are a gold standard American.

The fact that winning titles, Donald Sterling, Hurricane Katrina, the tanking thunder, the awful sons, and he's here. MJ's got no titles without Scotty Pippin. I want you to think about this. As great as Kobe Bryant is, Kobe Bryant inherited. He got Phil Jackson, the best coach ever. Jerry Buss, arguably the best NBA owner ever. He's on a short list.

Jerry West, arguably the best GM ever. Shack, modern day, best center ever. One franchise, total stability. Chris Paul's got a higher regular season winning percentage. I don't want to hear about playoffs. Chris Paul, it's not realistic to ask Chris Paul to be knocking down hoisting trophies. He's got a higher winning percentage in the regular season than Kobe, KD, and Steph Curry. And that's why I've got a soft spot for Chris Paul.

16 years in this cat can't get a break. He has had to make everything work. Every single year, tanking, hurricanes, Donald Sterling, the sun's mess, the tanking thunder. Does everybody understand that? When you grow up in instability and then are traded to instability, look at Chris Paul's career. It's insane for 16 years. And he doesn't get nominated for an MVP. You know, in Hollywood, they give those lifetime achievement awards.

That's what Chris Paul deserves. And ask yourself this in Hollywood, because those are stars too, right? NBA, we always say it's like Hollywood stars. Give me a list. Do you know off the top of your head, an actor or actress that has had a career of bad scripts, bad directors and bad supporting castes. You don't because you can't overcome that. Those actors are out of Hollywood.

They're waiters. You can't overcome that. There are no great actors that have gotten a series of 16 years of bad scripts, bad directors, bad producers, no funding, and bad supporting cast. You don't know them because they don't exist. That's Chris Paul's career. couldn't get nominated for the MVP. Was on the floor with the MVP last night.

Chris Paul completely controlled the game. Denver's got no answers for him. They can't do anything. He controls the tempo, the pace. He's as good a defensive guard as the league has outside of maybe Ben Simmons, who's seven inches taller. I'll just say it.

I got a soft spot for people who have to overcome. And what Chris Paul's done for 16 years in this league man, the fact he hasn't quit is remarkable. All right. So Jordan Love, we'll have sound later. It was a big day. He's talking and he's playing well. But I was reading a story this morning about the real mess in Green Bay is a PR battle.

And Mark Murphy said this week, the fans are divided in Green Bay. Folks, it doesn't matter if they're divided. it doesn't matter. There is one issue here. I'll get to that in a second. It doesn't matter if the fans are divided. But Colin, the Packer fans own the team. No, they don't.

They don't. That's the tooth fairy of pro sports ownership in America. It says on the certificate, it's got no value and it's non-transferable. The fans own the team assumption in Green Bay. They don't. If you can't sell something, then you don't own something. You don't own the team. It has as much value as that employee of the month plaque you won 24 years ago when you were in high school, paying your way to parties, right?

You worked at Burger King, got an employee of the month plaque. That's what that plaque means. Who cares that the fans are divided? It doesn't mean anything. This is not about a PR battle. This is all about if Jordan Love can play. If he can, the PR battle is irrelevant. But let's say it is about the PR battle.

And Mark Murphy wins it, the president of the Packers. He wins the PR battle. Aaron holds out. Aaron holds out and the fans are, You stink, Aaron, we love Mark Murphy. And he wins the PR battle. And Aaron holds out and doesn't play. And Jordan loves stinks.

Slow clap. But what does Mark Murphy win with that? A third place trophy in the NFC North? he wins nothing. If Mark Murphy ticks off every fan who thinks they own the team but they really don't in Green Bay,

he trades Aaron Rogers for three firsts and Jordan Love by about October is slicing it and dicing it, he wins. This is all about Jordan Love. It's really no longer about Aaron Rogers. It's not about Aaron Rogers anymore.

Aaron's leaving eventually, now or later. This story is all about Jordan Love. Yesterday was a very good day. He was composed, speaking, very composed, very confident, and he was very good on the field. Yesterday was as good a day as Green Bay has had in the off season. Yesterday, this whole franchise now, who gives a rip about PR?

It is about, it's not even about Aaron Rogers. It's not about Mark Murphy. It's about Jordan Love. Dude can play. Everything solved. And yesterday was a great day if you're a Packer. man because he stepped up to the podium and he answered questions about Aaron had to kind of walk around that little landmine field.

He was great. And he practiced. Oh, he's really great. PR is irrelevant. Mark Murphy's irrelevant. Aaron Rogers at this point isn't that relevant because he's leaving. We got a divorce here. We know the divorce is coming.

It's now or a year. Aaron's not going to be here in four years. Aaron can be on Jeopardy in four weeks. So the PR stuff is completely overrated. Don't believe any story that says that. Jordan Love has the future of the Packers. It's in his arm. That's all this is about.

All right. Let me see what I got here. Boy, Dak Prescott has done well for himself. He just signed on with a Jordan brand. Has there ever been an athlete coming off a serious injury while not playing signs a mega contract and a massive, massive endorsement deal.

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I'm very hard on quarterbacks. And I say this before, I'm not a big, you know, the wonder like doesn't really matter, except for quarterbacks. I do want to know cognitively if you're quick, because the world moves real fast at quarterback. And I think you should, as a general manager, have a right to ask really uncomfortable questions when you're drafting a quarterback. I want to know about his mom and his dad. I want to know about his childhood. Some of those questions to me feel off limits for anybody else. But this is the quarterback, and NFL franchises are worth $4 and $5 and $6 and $7 billion.

And I'm going to have to change coaches to fit you. I mean, in Baltimore, I mean, they have a coaching staff. Greg Roman built for Lamar Jackson. Lamar leaves, they'll probably get a different coach. And that's where they get paid a lot of money. And I am all here for it. But I've always said even in college football, I think kids should be able to transfer.

But if I ran the NCAA, I would have a rule that quarterbacks could transfer once. Because if a quarterback transfers out of Oregon, Auburn, Virginia Tech, Alabama, and then another one does the same day. Can't have a football team without a quarterback. We can be thin at running back, thin at wide receiver, thin it tied in. I've got to have a quarterback. Who do I snap the ball to? There is a burden of responsibility on a quarterback. And if they're not mature, I make a living out of ripping.

them. I spent a lot of time on Baker and Johnny Mansell and James Winston. But it's also, to be fair, as a radio TV host, I need to be fair and to compliment quarterbacks who do have it. It's no fair if I'm just here banging on guys who lack it. We should take time to credit people who have it. And that's Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott from day one in this league always understood the value of the moment. First time at a podium. Like, a Dallas Cowboy podium is not a Jaguar podium.

A Dallas Cowboy podium is not a Seahawk podium. The Dallas Cowboy podium is the biggest podium in the league with the most eyeballs. Dallas has more fans out of its area code than any franchise in the league. and from day one, Dak got it. Deck has emotionally, viscerally connected from day one with Jerry and Stephen Jones, the teammates, fans, advertisers. Deck Prescott, and this is unbelievable, often injury where we don't know how good he'll be, signed a 200 plus million dollar contract, and according to this story by Adam Schefter, signed a five-year agreement with the Jordan brand.

He'll be the only quarterback in the league represented by it and the Cowboys, the highest paid NFL player on the Jordan brand roster. We haven't seen him play since he broke his ankle. This illustrates why I rip quarterbacks who aren't ready. Because DAC is the example of what happens to you when you are. DAC doesn't have a top 15 arm in this league. Dan Mullen came on his show. Dan Mullen had him in college.

Loves him. He's like, yeah, we just, we liked his leadership. It was the arm thing we were hung up on. And then he came back and it was better, but it still wasn't very good. Dax never had a big arm. He's never been the best athlete, the biggest quarterback, the best arm. But Dack, and this is why in the end, a lot of people argue he's worth the money. He's embraced cowboy tradition.

He embraced the pressure. He embraced the moment. He understood the temperature in the room. He didn't fight it. There is such value. DAC is what agents all across America should tell quarterbacks. That agents should look at Dak Prescott and go to their quarterback and go, you want to know how to do this, this game?

Being quarterback is a little bit of a game inside a game, right? Like, just call Dak Prescott. I'll set you up a meeting with his agent and you just talk to him because that's how you do it. He's not as good as Russell Wilson. He doesn't throw it like Aaron Rogers. He's not as big and strong as Josh Allen. He's not as fast as Lamar Jackson. He's the highest paid player, Jordan Brand.

For a minute, he's the highest paid player in the league. Leadership matters. Grown up matters. Good at the podium matters. Embracing tradition matters. By the way, Twitter hated when he stood for the anthem. The organization didn't. 22% of America's on Twitter.

Don't play to it. 6% actually use it. He's not always done the popular. thing, the cool thing, the lit thing. Not always done that. He's not always done that. He's not a sellout either. Because you know how it is now. If you don't play to Twitter, you're a sellout.

Seems to me, Dak's selling everything out. He's selling his shoes out. He's selling everything out. It's okay sometimes to put your arm around tradition. Be a grown-up, not be cool, not play to Twitter. Dak Prescott is how you play the game

beyond the game at quarterback. The fact he gets this contract and his contract off a broken leg is incredible. So it just speaks volumes of what he is as a dude. By the way, we've heard funny stories through the years about Jerry Jones doesn't give out money. Michael Irvin tells the old El Paso story. Remember Michael Irvin said, I want to be paid this? And Jerry said, had you ever been to El Paso? He goes, Texas. He goes, no, your contract.

I'm El Paso. I'm not going to, I'll pass on that contract. I'm not paying it. Jerry's a tough negotiator. He paid DAC. Not because he has the best arm. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, let's head over to that other team in Texas. The Texans, the Sean Watson's future with the Texans, is in limbo. But if he were to be traded, he, apparently has a certain destination in mind. Former teammate Kreme Jackson's hole to Killeb on his Catch and Fade's podcast that Watson has his eyes set on playing for the Broncos.

Yeah, I got a great relationship with Deshaun. I've been talking to him the last couple weeks, man. And like, all he's been telling me is like, look, Jack just tell him, like, that's why I want to be. Like, he's like, that's why I want to be. He's like, man, listen, that's why I want to be in Denver. The Watson trade conversation pretty much got shut down once all the allegations came out. Right.

So this was a bit of news yesterday just hearing anything about Deshaun Watson and certainly anything about the trade possibility because we did know that there were a few destinations that he was interested in. Yeah. Denver has become like the hotspot now. Well, they've got really good players. I mean, I think I think players. It's not an ideal. division. No, but generally great athletes want to compete. So, I mean, I think great athletes want to play. Great athletes don't worry about the competition. They worry about can I fit? I think we've said

this for years. What's disappointing about Drew Locke is this team's ready to win. If you put Aaron or John in this thing, this is not a Drew Locke doesn't have support. Their offensive line last year, their left tackle was a pro bowler. They've got really good backs. They've got, they've drafted receiver well. The tight end is excellent. their defense was bad, especially at corner, but they appear to have solved that. Kyle Fuller from Chicago, and they drafted a corner. So Patrick Zertan from Alabama. And they have a great quarterback tradition.

I mean, great fans. They have an altitude advantage early in the year. They always have one of the best September winning percentages last 30 years. So I think players, fans may not look at Denver, but I think players look at Denver and think, they got dudes. They got an old pass rusher, Von Miller. They got a new pass rusher, Bradley Chubb. Well, I mean, everyone that plays in Denver loves it,

and it's a great organization and great fan base and great city. I'm not saying it from that perspective. I'm just saying, like, for Aaron Rogers to end up in Denver, you're in a tough division now. Like, he's still obviously in his prime, but that's a harder division to win than the one that you're currently in. Not even close. And then, I mean, AFC South is a completely different conversation.

So I think that's like that's the most ideal place you want to be in. if you're a, you know, high-level quarterback. But obviously, you're with the Texans, which are a completely dysfunctional organization. So that matters as well. I think Denver is a great destination for a quarterback. I'm just looking at it as what is, you have to win your division first. So if you're going to preferred spaces, you have to look at it from that perspective as well as what you're going to have around you.

So Giants running back, Sequin Barkley says he's doing well with his ACL rehab, but he doesn't want to put a timetable on his return just yet. So he said, you know me. I'm going to take it one day at a time, just come in with my head down, ready to work. I'm going to be whenever my body tells me I'm ready. I'm able to show everyone I'm ready again. That's when I'm going to be able to go out there and hopefully be elite what I was before, but even better. He suffered a torn ACL as well as MCL and MNiscis damage last season in week two against the Bears.

It's an interesting division. I was looking at the Fox Bet Over-Unders on this division, and they go in line. Dallas is favored at nine and a half wins. No, no, wait. Dallas, is it Dallas eight and a half or nine and a half? Washington's eight and a half. Dallas nine and a half, Washington eight and a half. Giants seven and a half.

Eagles, six and a half. Eagles under, to me, is the best bet in the division. Everything else after that depends on injuries. I do think the Giants actually, Dave Gettelman has solved some of their issues. They went big into free agency, which I don't love. but the good thing what the Giants did, they have surrounded Daniel Jones with so many good players.

There's no excuses. Yeah, that's why I don't have a problem with them going big in free agency. You have to find out what you have in Daniel Jones. I think he has something. And one of the rules on this show is that we'll know by Thanksgiving if we're going to stick with Daniel Jones or not. You'll know if he's good. Which I think is fair.

I think getting Sequin back will be a massive part of that. I think Sekewon is the juice in the season. soul of this team, especially on offense. So, you know, we're not sure if he's going to be ready at the beginning of the season. Season opener is September 12th against the Broncos. Hopefully he'll be available. If he's not available at the opener, he'll be available at the beginning of the season. But the Giants are just such an interesting team to me this year. Like, I really want to see, and I think they're going to be a lot better than people think that they are. Well, there's always a team in this league. I mean, our entire life, every single year,

there's a team that pops and we didn't see it coming. Like we know Minnesota is going to be better than last year. The injuries were ridiculous. So they went five or some games. We know they'll be better. But there's always a team that pops and you look up and you're like, wow. And it would not shock me in December if it's the Giants. They have that kind of, their defense is great, that we like their coach.

I mean, like, by the way, Miami last year was the team that we looked up and went, oh my God, they're 10 and 6. Like, I guess... And there's always a team that we think is going to be great that completely falls off. So the Blazers recently let go of head coach Terry Stotz. Some names have been thrown around about potential hires, but one person who has apparently expressed interest

is Nets assistant coach Mike Dantone. He joined the Nets after a four-year run as the Rockets head coach. D' Antonio's currently 20th all-time and wins. I don't know if I love Dan Tony to the Blazers. Yeah, offense is not their problem. They need defense. Like, he's just more of what they have. And I do think Deontoni will get another

coaching job. Yeah. It's not that. I just, I don't know that that's where they need the enhancements. The Blazers don't have a problem scoring points. Your system with that is fine. Chauncey Billups is favored right now to get the job at minus 200, according to Fox Bet. Sam Cassell, Juan

Howard, Dave Yoger at plus 550. and David Vanderpullet plus 700 are the odds on Fox bet right now. Chauncey Bills is very interesting as well. He's, now, I know Chonty's been a broadcaster. He's an assistant coach. I was going to say he'd never been a head coach. Yeah, he's been in his assistant.

Yeah, Choncy would be good because he was a grinder, and that's what the team needs. Yeah, I don't grind much on the defensive end. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Speaking of that, Rick Buecker, sponsored by Mercedes-Benz the best or nothing now, joins us.

Speaking of Portland, by the way, Dan Tony and Damian Lillard, I was thinking, if you're Dame Lillard and you're watching the Sons last night and you couldn't beat Denver without Jal Mal Murray, and the Sons are rolling them, and the Sons have a bunch of young players only getting better. I was like, oh, how discouraging for Dame Lillard.

When you talk to people around the NBA, I mean, Dame just signed an extension. Is Dame a blazer next year? I mean, what is the feeling you get? By the way, I don't even know who suggested this. That may have been Chris Mannix who came out and said, should they consider moving him and just kind of restarting, because you could get so much for Dame.

What is your take on him today? I haven't heard anything that would suggest that Damien Lillard is going to leave Portland at this point. There are some changes that need to be made and improvements over the summer, but this is so much a part of who Damien Lillard is in terms of the guy who's staying with a franchise, who has taken a small market. And he's built, not that brand is everything, at some point you have to win. But Damien Lillard has developed quite a presence and a personality by being the best player in a small market that's never come close to winning a championship.

If he goes any place else, a lot of what we think of Damien Lillard ultimately changes. He is loyalty personified, and he's the little guy who continues to try personified. If he goes anyplace else, number one, it's not a guarantee if he's going to have a better chance at winning a championship, that he's necessarily the number one. And then that changes the entire dynamic. So I haven't heard anything from Damien or Damien's camp or anybody else in the NBA that would suggest at this point that Damien is looking to get out of Port. And I assure you this, unless Damien Lillard once out of Portland, the Blazers are not going to move him just to rework things. Because while we can look at whether they've had success or not, the possibility of getting another Damian Lillard of that brand, that personality, that leadership would be far, far more difficult than I think people suggest. This idea, let's just go back and let's start over.

The Portland Trailblazers feel very fortunate that they've had at Damien Lillard that has been as devoted to them as he has been over all these years. A year ago, he was the face of the league. Yonnes now looks like a liability late in games. I can't even remember, you know, and it's interesting. But let's say, I mean, Brooklyn, let's say again tonight, he shoots 50% from the free throw line. He only shoots 33% beyond three feet.

I don't remember a player who went from here, MVP face for the league to, wow, you can't win if he's a one. What are people now, I mean, if they get rolled in this series and losing four or five, does it just change how we view Janus, like just completely change how we view him? It's not how I view him because, okay, he wasn't my MVP the previous two years for this very reason. And it was for the first time this season where I saw him operating in the mid-range and taking mid-range shots and making mid-range shots with confidence. And I can't shake out of my head

what I saw between the Brooklyn Nets and the Milwaukee Bucks between Kevin Durant and Janice Sant'Compu. It was a old-fashioned shootout between the two, and Janus ultimately won the battle. Now, that's regular season, and the post-season is different. What I don't get and what I don't see from the Milwaukee Bucks is a connection between Mike Boodenholzer,

and Janice Anta Tocompo in terms of how they were going to approach the game. I didn't see him operating for the most part in the mid post or in the pinch post below the free throw line. That's where he has to operate. This idea that he has to shoot threes, I don't want Janice Antecompo operating above the three-point line. Honestly, any more than I want LeBron James giving me a steady diet of that. I need my big, nearly seven-foot playmaker to be operating below the free throw line. And that's what has really astonished me in this series so far, is that we have not seen that.

And when we have seen it, Janus hasn't been as good there as he was in the regular season. So I'm not giving up on Janus or the Bucks in terms of this series. They have a lot of work to do. But I can't put, look, if I'm going to look at Janus and say that he's, not carrying the water in this series, then don't I have to look at the reigning MVP in Nicola Yokic and suggest that he's not doing the same against the Phoenix Suns? Some guys, first of all, if you're playing big, and I think Janus, for the most part, has to play big, they have to play them at the five to win this series.

That's what they did during the regular season. Then you're dependent on the pieces around you to get the ball where you need it, and you also need your coach designing plays that are going to put you in the right spot. And I haven't seen any of that from the Milwaukee Bucks. So it is, I'm watching Chris Paul last night. And he has a higher regular season win percentage than KD. Steph and Kobe Bryant. He actually does. And he's inherited a natural disaster, Donald Sterling, a tanking franchise. I mean, a lot of dysfunction. Chaos his whole career. And he just keeps overcoming it. And I sit and I think to myself, and this league won't. He's like the Russell Wilson

and the NFL who can't get an MVP vote. I watched him last night in that game totally controls the game. 50, I mean, no turnovers. I don't even know. I'm trying to think of a comp for Chris Paul of a player that is so clearly

running a franchise, running a conference, head and show, and we give him no respect. I don't know if there's a comp out there, but I'm watching him with Yokic, and Yokish is the MVP. Chris can't get nominated. And it's It's night and day. One is totally controlling the series, and one is just really talented.

That's my takeaway on the series so far. And that's a pretty good one, I would say. It's also, you point out something that I think is important, which is it always helps a leader when he's walking into a disaster zone. People are far more willing to listen. What do we need to do? We need to go get water? Do we, like, where are the rations?

That's what Chris Paul inherited. He inherited a Phoenix Sun's team that is incredibly humble. hungry, one, to have a leader and two, to have that leader show them exactly what they need to do. I also believe, to my point about the coach player relationship, like Monty Williams and Chris Paul are from the same DNA. They're connected. And I see that in the way that they communicate. So he has the benefit of that. But the other element with Chris Paul, and we're in analytics big time, one of the things that we do not seem to appreciate anymore is assist to turnover ratio. You never hear anybody talking about that.

Maybe in part because if you look at Yokic or Luca Donchich or LeBron James, the assist of turnover ratio is not very good. Guys are throwing a lot of dimes. Russell Westbrook's throwing a lot of dimes. You look at the assist of turnover ratio, it's not great. One steady element is that Chris Paul has always had a tremendous assist to turnover ratio. And it doesn't necessarily mean that he's the greatest passer. What it means is the ball is secure in his hands.

And more often than not, you're going to get a chance to score when the ball is in his hands rather than something that's going to send it the other way before you even get a shot off. Ten years ago, he was leading the league in assist-to-turnover ratio. You look at the top 10 this year, he's the only name of any significance. I believe he finished fourth. Tias Jones led the league and assist the turnover ratio. You want to go through James Hardin, LeBron James, Luca Donchitz. Most of those guys are not even in the top 50.

That matters, and it matters especially in the postseason, and it's why Chris Paul is having the great impact that he has. Rick Buecker, it's great seeing you, man. Appreciate it. Thanks for stopping by. You got it. Yeah, the assist in basketball doesn't get love because it's usually followed by points. And we talk about the scorer, not the game.

guy who passed it. And so Magic Johnson was rare, because he was flashier and more fun than the sky hook from Kareem. But generally speaking, if you go look at the top 20 all-time college basketball assist leaders, Gary Payton's about the only one you've heard of. We don't financially pay the assist leader. We don't reward the assist leader. Basketball doesn't appreciate the assist guy. And to Rick's point, the assist turnover ratio, last night he had like 11, 12 assists. He had no turnovers. I mean, Chris Paul's the quarterback that doesn't have the best arm, but he never throws an interception. Like he just, the ball's totally control. He controls the tempo. I mean, you got Yokic on the floor and Chris Paul. One guy's really talented. The other guy controls the

whole game. The tempo, the clock, everything. Chris Paul controls the whole game. More thoughts on that coming out. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlie. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories about what made these people love their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talk to coaches, we talk to players, we tell you stories. You download it, you listen to it, I think you like it. Listen to All Ball with Doug Alib on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. What's up, fam, it's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about

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I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying.

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the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, one of the things about Chris Paul that's amazing, he was only 83rd in the NBA this year in shot attempts at about 12 games. Westbrook's career average is almost double that. Basketball is a very unique sport. If I succeed, I'm taking from you. It doesn't work that way in the NFL.

If Patrick Mahomes throws a touchdown pass to Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes gets a touchdown pass, he'll get paid for that. Travis Kelsey gets a touchdown catch, he'll get paid for that. And if the left tackle blocks sufficiently, every player gets graded in football in every play, he'll get paid for that. for plays to work in football, almost 10 of 11 or 11 of 11 have to do their job. And every play is graded. So a lot of people get paid.

If Patrick Mahomes throws a touchdown pass, there's winners everywhere. But if I'm James Harden and I dribble around, I'm very ball-centric and I take a shot and I score, I'm taking a shot and points from Kyrie Irving. Well, he passes the ball, assists. You don't get paid in the NBA for assist. They don't pay you for screens and assists. They pay you for points. and basketball is very unique that way.

You are taking when you succeed. You are taking from somebody else. Football is the ultimate team sport. We all win. We all do our job. We not only all win. We're all graded and we can all be paid off one play. The tackle, they're going to look at that film and go,

look at that tackle. I was great. We've got to sign him to an extension. But there's this thing in basketball where we just celebrate points. That's all we care about. There has not been a scoring champ that's won an NBA title in 20 years. Now, Michael Jordan did it six times, but he was also a great defender. But if you start celebrating scores, Bradley Beale, playoffs, mellow, Hardin, Westbrook, Iverson,

McGrady, great scores. They're takers. They're not givers. That's where Chris Paul is special. He's a giver. He'll need. shoots 12 shots a game. Westbrook shoots 24. And players keep track of that stuff. So when Chris Paul, he can get his 16 a night, but he has 12 assists. He doesn't take a lot of

shots. So efficiency matters. Volume shooters in the end are taking from teammates. And basketball is unique that way. In football, nobody resents the quarterback making money. Aaron Rogers is loved by all those guys. Why? Because if If Aaron's winning the MVP, that means Devante Adams has 10 touchdowns and 90 catches. That means David Boktiari, the left tackle. If Aaron's winning the MVP, they're not letting the left tackle go. I can tell you that. So we accentuate how much points mean.

When the data tells you that great scores do not win championships, because they're takers, high volume scores are takers. Iverson and Westbrook. Now, you say, well, about Michael Jordan. Again, he's the exception. And he was also the best defensive player. So Michael was taking and giving. He was giving you great defense.

He was taking away their points. And he was scoring. And Michael was so much better than 99.9% of the league, nobody argued it. But I think this is one of the things that we don't appreciate about Chris Paul. He is the rare star that is a giver, not a taker. And that is hard. And that accentuates. That's the Dak Prescott gene, which is leadership, good on the floor,

controls the tempo, controls the pace. You'll find very few star quarterbacks in the NFL who people resent. They're almost always loved. Troy Aikman could yell and scream at cowboys. They love Troy. Because if you win, everybody gets paid in football. But in basketball, why did dynasties last longer in football than basketball? It should be the other way around because football players get hurt.

So dynasties should not last very long in football. You have a couple good teams and guys get hurt. But in basketball, they never last. Why? Because of ego. Why? Because everybody is losing except the two stars on that team. Because the stars are taking all the shots and getting all the points and that means they're taking.

That's why I say with Brooklyn. It's not going to last long if they win this year. Because in the end, Hardin now is giving a lot more than he's ever given. He's become a cyst guy. He'll do that for a short term. but James Hardin is one of the great scores in the last 20 years. You're not going to become a giver for a seven-year period. And basketball in that regard is a very, very unique sport.

Well, what about the assist? John Stockton has a zillion assists. How often do we talk about them on the show? We don't. Go look at the top 20 assist guys' history of college basketball. Gary Payton, maybe Bobby Hurley. By the way, Doug Gottlieb's on that list. Gary Payton's the one you've heard of because he gets score and play defense.

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