The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 06/14/2021 - Best Of The Herd

Episode Date: June 14, 2021

Colin shares his excitement that Chris Paul is finally getting all the respect he deserves after sweeping the Nuggets and carrying the Suns into the Western Conference Finals. He discusses the Nets losing Kyrie Irving to an ankle injury and what this means for Kevin Durant now that he will have to carry Brooklyn without his 2 superstar teammates. He also tells you why he was right about Dak Prescott and wrong about Ben Simmons. Plus, former TE Greg Olsen joins the show to talk about the disconnect between Aaron Rodgers and the Packers organization. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Best of the Hurd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports. Radio. Ah, it is a Monday. We are live in Los Angeles. It's the hurt. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me on a Monday.

Now we're getting some clarity. Now we kind of can see the haves and the have-nots, injuries taking a toll on some of the better teams. How are you? I'm great. I love the Sun's team. Oh, the fans, the, it's a story. It is.

The veteran that he's, I'm going to babysit the kids a little bit. Now, they'll get tired of him. Remember, kids don't want to be babysat once they're 17, 18. A few more years. Let's do some winning first before we get tired of the situation. But yeah, I mean, if you don't have a team in the playoffs right now, I don't know how you don't just jump on the Sun's bandwagon. There's so much time.

I don't know if I've been invited, but I'm there. All right. So let's start with this. I got a bunch of kids, right? And a couple of them are getting close to entering the workforce, getting jobs and entering the workforce. And what's very important, and Uncle Colin, dad, stepdad tells them, who where what? Ask yourself, who are you? Want to be a good coworker, a trustable coworker, a friend and ally.

Who are you? Establish that. Who are you in the company? Where? Where will you flourish? In a social environment, in a cubicle by yourself, West Coast, East Coast, close to family, on your own, where will you flourish? What?

What do you see yourself becoming in 10 years? What would you be proud of? What's a goal you can pursue? Who, where, what? Basketball players should think about this, too. Let's talk Chris Paul, my MVP. His who has always been incredibly strong. defiant, tough, defends, leads, barks.

Wake Forest, all of his stops. He's got one of the strongest who's in the NBA. Who is important at your foundation? Where? Chris Paul. Well, this where's been in flux. He's been on five teams. But he flourishes with young players who were talented but want to be led.

He's not as good with veterans. what. Now that's interesting. We've argued for years about what he is and those of us, us, me, have been arguing probably the second best point guard ever, but he's not vertical and flashy and fun. Now you are seeing indisputably what he is. He is the most valuable player in this league. Once LeBron got out of his prime, he affects him. winning and losing, and that to me is value. And the media often loves Westbrook and Iverson

and D. Rose and John Wall and fast and vertical and fun and flashy. That is not what the point guard position is about. It's about elevating others beyond yourself. That's why Magic Johnson's the greatest point guard ever. And I'd make a strong argument Chris Paul is second. And Chris Paul's sense of who, who wear what? Who is so strong, and this is important in life, that as the game has changed, he has tweaked it, but he has not fallen prey to the current analytic whims. Unlike Janus, who's now firing up three-pointers,

Chris Paul shoots a mid-range, mostly from the right side of the key. It is who he is. He still barks. He still yells. still commands, he still defends, although he's not as good a defender as he once was, he's still tough. His who is so strong that it's overcome a lot of the wares. He's been all over the league. And as the game has changed, what he has become is actually more valuable because he knows what he is. And Phoenix is perfect because for the first time in his career, the who, where,

what the chakras, they all align. His who is strong. He's working with a coach that'll listen and young players that will follow and what he's become. Side by side with the MVP Yokic, it's not even close. One is controlling the clock. Chris Paul is not only averaging 25 points and five rebounds and 10 assists and virtually no turnovers. He's shooting 100% from the line, 75% from 3, 63% from field goals. It's insane. Coach of the Denver Nuggets summed it up accurately on Chris Paul. You have to give them a lot of credit.

They're a very well-coached team, and they have a lot of talent. Chris Ball could arguably be the greatest point card of all time. And you know what you're having, Devin Booker, just a professional bucket getter. So they're going to be a tough out. So you have to tip your cap to them. And what I tell my kids are stepkids on the who, the where, the what, it will not be easy. My who was very weak when I was young. My where has been, as you know, with my career in flux.

My what was always strong. I knew what I wanted to be. But it wasn't until I had kids. My who was the strongest of the three. They created clarity on who I really was. my where I'm finally happy and my what this is what I do I talk but Chris Paul my journey has not been easy

Chris Paul and this is what I tell kids it ain't easy it's hard the stronger the who is the easier the where and the what become here's Chris Paul I wasn't as phenom I wasn't necessarily supposed to be here I played two years of JV basketball.

You know, it ain't always been, you know, sweet for me. I've always had to grind, and I like that mentality. And that's always been who I've been, and I'm going to stay that way. If you like it, cool. If you don't, it's cool, too. This is who I am. It's always been a strength. All right, let's talk the fragile,

Brooklyn Nets. I'm going to quit predicting the Bucks Net series. I think I've whiffed four different times. We said last week the Brooklyn Nets have become Tesla. Brilliant, revolutionary. Oh, boy, but Elon Musk running the show, you're not sure what they are day to day. This is what Brooklyn is, fragile. Kyrie Irving, he's hurt again.

Kevin Durant, now frustrated. He's the only star left. Blake Griffin, Steve Nash isn't playing him enough, and Hardin, I don't know. Does anybody know? You know, I said this when he left Steph Curry. It's funny about the NBA. LeBron and KD keep moving around the NBA trying to find the perfect spot. And it's like it doesn't exist.

You know, when you're as great as KD and you're as great as LeBron James, you're not going to find your equal. You know, LeBron, D. Wade got old, and Cleveland's owner couldn't get him any good players. And then Kyrie bailed on him and J.R. Smith drove him nuts. and how Anthony Davis isn't healthy, and Kevin Durantz wasn't the man in Oklahoma City, and I'm going to go to Golden State, and he wasn't quite the man there, because it's kind of Steph's culture and Steph's team, and now he goes out to Brooklyn with stars and they're all hurt.

You can run, you can't hide. Katie and LeBron are bouncing around trying to find the perfect solution, and it's really not there. But I said when he left Golden State, I said, be very careful, because Steph Curry is probably the most selfless, egoless, emotionally dependable star in the league. Kyrie's gifted, but he's not that. You don't quite know, you don't quite know what you're getting day to day with

Kyrie in the way he feels and Kyrie and his body. And so this is a sort of what it was going to eventually be, which is a bunch of dudes, really talented, look like the world's best basketball team for the first two games, and then KD is essentially now on his own. The most valuable teammate for Kevin Durant this morning is the Nets training staff. Fragile. Fingers crossed.

Hardens Hammy, anyone's guess. Kyrie's ankle, cross your fingers. You can move around a lot when you're a superstar in the NBA. But Katie and LeBron are great examples. You're never going to find anybody as great as you. Katie's never going to find. anybody as good as Katie as a teammate. I mean, on the planet right now, there isn't one.

And LeBron kept looking for somebody as durable as LeBron. Who was as durable as LeBron, his first 16 years in the league? How about nobody ever, including Michael Jordan? Nobody was as durable. And so this morning, Kevin Durant wakes up, and he's tied at two games. And at this point, my only prediction is the Nets team doctors will decide the season. That's it. That's the series. It's come down to health. They're working on the ankle now. They're working on the hammy now. Nets are healthy. They win. Nets aren't. They lose. It's come to that.

Very interesting weekend. I know we talk a lot about the Aaron Roger situation, but it is a big deal. It is a big deal. He's the league's MVP. I mean, the NFL's a thousand times more popular than the NBA or baseball. And if the MVP was in what some consider a holdout, although I don't think it qualifies as that yet, it's a big deal. And Mark Murphy, Harvard guy, runs the Packers, came out and said something this weekend that he probably shouldn't have, and maybe it ticked off Aaron Rogers. Today, as Joy knows, it's either a pick on Aaron Day or a support Aaron Day on this show, because there's a lot of stuff here. Today's a support Aaron Day. I'm going to support Aaron today was something I thought about driving in. Do you suffer from an overly weighted

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So Mark Murphy runs the Packers. And he had said recently, you know, Aaron and I should probably not take this public. And then Mark Murphy's talking to, you know, the Packer people back there at a press conference. And boy, he could not wait to get this out. I'm often reminded, though, we have Ted Thompson, I think most of you know, just a great general manager who passed away this past year, or excuse me, earlier this year, often talked about Aaron that he's a comp, and it wasn't just Aaron, a lot of different players, he would say he's a complicated fella. All right. Probably wouldn't have gone there. You could have said it's a complicated situation.

I wouldn't make it personal. You know, Aaron can be a little prickly on that stuff. It's okay. A lot of us can. I don't think he's that complicated. He loves football. He's got some other side interests, and he doesn't love the way his employer is treating him. All right. That sounds like most of us.

You know what I mean? We're pretty good at our jobs. We have other interests, and we get mad when our employer doesn't treat us right. That's not that unique. In a perfect world, let's just establish this. This is what every single NFL team wants for. their quarterback, these five things. We're going to draft you. You're going to exceed expectations. You're going to win a Super Bowl. We're going to pay you a lot. And then you're going to be happy and

content. That was Aaron, by the way, until about three years ago. He was all five. And by the way, he's still four of five. He was drafted. He exceeded expectations. He won a Super Bowl. He got paid a lot. He's still four of five. But the happy content thing. Well, Aaron is difficult. What's funny because Deshawn Watson actually came out before Aaron this year to show his displeasure with a tire fire known as the Houston Texans. Russell Wilson's a good guy and he was pissed at Seattle. Carson Wentz said of Philadelphia, get me out of here. Matt Stafford, I can't be a lion any longer. Oh, wait.

The happy, content thing even got Brady out of New England. are they bad guys? Folks, teams need to understand now that the expectations and pressure on quarterbacks, it's all I talk about. This is one of the most watched shows. For seven months, people make fun of me. Are you talking quarterbacks today? That's all we talk about.

The position is so important, so highly compensated, the stress so intense, your blame for every loss and expected to win. Then there's five guys. Stafford, Wence, Brady two years ago, Deshawn Watson, Russell, Aaron. Highly compensated. Rules have changed. Every loss is you. And then Aaron has this other thing he has to deal with.

And everybody has to deal with this that is like as good as Aaron Rogers in life. Now the standards for Aaron, and he's created those because he's great, are unrued. realistic. Aaron won the MVP. Last year's a disappointment. Aaron got to the NFC championship. I know, but you just see how it ended? Aaron won his division again. He better. When you're as great as Aaron now and Russell Wilson, the standards are insane. Aaron won the MVP and outside of Green Bay and maybe including Green Bay. Nobody cares. I mean, even if Josh Allen won it, if Russell won it, if Matt

Ryan won it. If Garoppolo won it, it would be, wow, Aaron won it. Whatever. How'd he do against Tampa and the NFC championship? Teams have to realize this, that Aaron, and he has a right to have a little bit of an ego, has entered into a phase where the pressure is insane. We are no longer interested that LeBron makes the finals. He has to win the finals. Or no MJ. No MJ. Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, two totally different people, both showed clear unhappiness the second Tom Brady won a Super Bowl. Why? Because those are two of the only guys in the world and Patrick Mahomes compared to Brady. There's a difference between being a model and being a super model.

Once you're a model, there's millions of models, beautiful people everywhere. Supermodel? There's about six. you're fighting for every magazine cover with Naomi Campbell and the pressure is enormous and success for you if you're not number one you're last and that's how Brady sees it he was literally in the playoffs when he left New England

so let's take a deep breath here Aaron is four of the five things every team wants from their quarterback. Drafted, exceeded it, won a Super Bowl, highly compensated, happy. Be content. Russell wasn't content. Aaron's not content. Deshawn's not content.

Stafford's not content. Wents is not content. It's like an epidemic, right? You get it? It's happening a lot to a lot of different personalities and a lot of different people. And then you add on for Aaron. He's so gifted now that we roll our eyes and yawn when he wins MVP. So yes, there is pressure on him.

He does want a little bit of a say. He does want J.J. Watt. He does want you to draft somebody besides a developmental quarterback in the first round and a running back who won't play for two years in the second. Today is defend Aaron Rogers Day in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced game.

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What's up, fam, Ms. Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves,

I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything. he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense.

And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get to flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick.

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Like what was just because we? Yeah. We'll be recapping the big conclusion in the 50th season from the final attempts at gameplay to the desperate pleas of finalists to a bunch of ha, who. Ah, ha, ooh. Again, we are experts. So make sure to tune into PodMeets Twirled for all our Survivor 50 takes. Listen to PodMeets Twirled on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Thought about the Mark Murphy comments. You know, Aaron's very, he's a complicated fella. And I thought, let me think about something. How I would do this, but I'm not Aaron or the Packers, is not necessarily how it would work out. I've said before, I'm more of a rip the Band-Aid off.

You don't want to be with me? There's a sea of people to be around. I'm out. So if I was the Packers, I would just say, hey, I'll trade you. Once the season starts, I'll move. move you over to the AFC. I'm not going to send you there now and have you come back and win the Super Bowl. Send you mid-season trade deadline so you have a little bumpy first start. You know, Jordan Love is not going to be great, so I don't want you to be great. And then next year,

we think Jordan Love will be good. But that's not going to happen, probably, right? So I thought to myself, Green Bay owns his rights, and they've been defiant. We're not trading it. So I'm going to trust them at their word. Aaron, although he's not talking, it's through people. What we hear is he's not coming back. Well, what do I believe? I believe Aaron at some point will come back if he's not traded because he'd give up $35 million.

He's a great football player. He's still close to his prime, and you're never going to get that money back. $35 million, even for Aaron Rogers, is a lot of money. I believe Green Bay, at least for a year, has his rights. they're digging the heels in, they're probably not going to trade him. The part of me really believes that. Now, I would move it. I'd rip the band it off, but that's my personality.

So I thought to myself, Trump used to call it fake news. This isn't fake news because I'm not pretending it's real. But what I'm saying is I do believe that this is so intense now and so public, you've got to offer some sort of press release to just bring the juice down a little. Like bring the anxiety down a little. And I'm going to make a predict. that if Aaron's not traded, this is what the press release will look like to just soothe everybody a little.

Because right now, it is walking on eggshells. Jordan Love talks. Mark Murphy talks. We dissect everything everybody says. You've got to bring the heat down here on this thing. So here's my draft of the Packers press release. Mark Murphy over the next month is going to release this. quote, we've done a poor job of communicating with Aaron.

He's the face of our franchise and the MVP of the league and deserves a certain level of transparency and respect. We have failed him in that regard. We've had some earnest conversations over the last couple of weeks and could not be more excited for our future together. It's very uplifting. It's very adult. It's very mature.

Packer fans are like, all right, LFG, there go. Aaron Rogers in the press release. because companies release press releases, Aaron's quote, would be in the press release. Aaron says, quote, the media, and Aaron is prone to do this. The media made us a bigger deal than it was. I went to Hawaii. I joined my offseason like all NFL players did.

I know the Packers are committed to winning. So am I. Over the last month, we've sat down, ironed outs are small differences. I'm looking forward to getting back on the field with my teammates, making another deep playoff run, and bringing another Super Bowl to Green Bay. Clean addresses it. Classic Aaron to deflate the media.

That's my prediction on what you're going to see. It's very Olivia Pope of you, Colin. You're like a fixer out here. It's Green Bay acknowledges. We should have been more transparent. We've had meetings. Aaron acknowledges, hey, we had some small differences. We brought the nail and hammer.

We banged them out a little bit. It's all solved. I do think you have to at some point address it. And both sides, especially the Packers, haven't been great in the ad libid at a podium. Do a press release. Just do a press release. Sit down with Aaron. Say, we screwed up.

How does this work for you? We will give you a say. Aaron wants a little say in drafting. That's okay, by the way. It's okay to, you know, it's okay. Seattle listens to Russell. Tampa listens to Tom. Seems to me Houston should have listened to Deshawn on DeAndre Hopkins. A little. It's okay.

Now, giving up control the franchise, Green Bay. So that is my draft of the Packers press release. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas.

And I'm C.J. Toledano and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they

don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going get the boss. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, everyone. It's Ryder Strong and Wilfredel from PodMeets World. And now the PodMeets Twirled podcast. We're two men who were completely clueless to reality TV, who now have covered dancing with the stars, traitors, and we're gearing up for the season finale of Survivor. So yeah, now we're experts. I know we annoyed a lot of our listeners by our severe lack of survivor knowledge. That is the point of the show.

I'm just going to remind you. I have watched some Survivor. I obviously haven't watched enough. Did people not like it? Yeah. Just because we... Yeah. We'll be recapping the big conclusion

at the 50th season from the final attempts at gameplay to the desperate pleas of finalists to a bunch of... Ha, ha, ha, who. Again, we are experts. So make sure to tune into Pod Meets Twirled for all our Survivor 50 takes.

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with skills are 60% more likely to find a successful hire. Hire skills first. Learn why at tear the paper ceiling.org. Brought to you by Opportunity at Work and the Ad Council. Where Colin was right. Been saying it for two months. Chris Paul's the MVP of the league. I don't care that he doesn't score 28.

You put him on the floor with Yokic. It's not even a debate. Not only did he shoot 63% from the field against Denver, he shot 84% in the fourth quarter. He is the best, most important, impactful player left. And I don't know why everybody struggles with it. Maybe it's, you know, I think it's pretty simple that he hasn't won yet. And in the world we live in now, if you don't win it all, you're a loser.

But what you're seeing now is what I kept preaching in the regular season. Maybe the people on the East Coast just didn't watch Sun's games because they were on late at night. But this is what he's been doing now all season. Taking a bunch of kids and their last seven playoff games, they're just dismantling the Lakers, dismantling Denver. We know the West is generally better than the East. Where Colin was wrong. Three years ago, I looked it up.

I called the Sixers Ben Simmons an all-timer. He still has an all-time disappointment. He took three shots in game two. His indifference is maddening. You can't blame it on immaturity now. He's been in the league now four years. He will not get better. He's shooting 35% at the free throw line.

for God's sakes, he's a guard. I understand the big guys that don't shoot free throws to big hands. He's a guard. I mean, when you can't trust your point guard to shoot free throws, you are in big trouble and beads the better free throw shooter. And to me, he is just, I can't get my arms around somebody that gifted, not willing to work on a significant hole in their game. I just can't, I can't wrap my brain around it.

Where Colin was right? When the Clippers went down 02, I said they're going to win the series. They're going to go home. Roll Utah. I've never felt it more than I do now. First of all, they won game three going away. They could have won both games one and two off a brutally demanding seven-game series. Utah was well-rested.

Mike Connolly's out, and now Donovan Mitchell has re-injured his ankle. So now Donovan Mitchell's not 100%. They're not one in this series in Utah without Donovan Mitchell at 100%. It's not happening. He's their best athlete. And Utah, though very well-coached and very good at protecting the rim, is not hyper-athletic. The Clippers are. So I never bought into O-2 was defining. I think the Clippers will win tonight.

Win in Utah, come back in L.A. They will end up going down O-2 and winning four straight. Where Colin was wrong. Now, I'm going to quit predicting anything on the Bucks Nets. I whiffed. So first of all, I predicted the Bucks would win. the championship because, A, their stars are not guys that get hurt much. That part, I guess I was a little right on.

But then they got humiliated in the first two games, did not even match out with Brooklyn. Brooklyn didn't have James Harden and still rolled the bucks. I looked ridiculous. Then I buried the bucks and now the nets are all banged up. And Utah throttles the nets twice. So from this point, I'm going to watch the series. I'm going to enjoy the series. I have no idea what's going to happen.

I believe the series has come down to the medical staff for the Nets deciding who wins it. Where Colin was right? You know, remember when all the media came out and said the Niners are taking Mac Jones number three. And everybody was absolutely sure. And Joy and I kept saying, A, that's a lot to give up for Mac Jones. And B, my big question was, nothing leaks from the Niners. Now, everybody in the world has the draft pick. My sources, as I said multiple times, my sources didn't say they were draft.

than Mac Jones. All these legitimate reporters, Mac Jones, it's done. And I'm like, you know if it's done. Kyle Shanahan poke fun at the expert media this weekend. I do laugh at the, that everyone thinks that they know exactly what I want on quarterback

because I thought we had a chance to get the number one free agent quarterback who was going to be on the market in our second year. And since we did, people just assume that's how I would draw it up, which if you draw it up, you're, I mean, obviously you're going to give the guy everything. Bottom line is, Mac Jones, the guarantees were always overstated. Where Colin was wrong.

Jordan Love of the Packers actually spoke to the media. I had said the day before, is this guy the Loch Ness Monster? They won't let him talk. We don't get any video. The very next day, he held a press conference. There was all sorts of video. And my theory was they're protecting him because they just don't love. what they see.

Well, he was great at the podium, and that day at practice, he was unbelievable. So apparently I was wrong on that. I thought it was a protective mechanism because they were frightened to let us see anything, and he was actually fine with both, better than fine with both, and so I was wrong. Where Colin was right?

Said this about Dak Prescott. He doesn't have the best arm. He's not the best talent. He has always understood the value of being the Dallas Cowboy quarterback. He's always understood that. last week the Jordan brand made him the richest NFL player in the Jordan brand umbrella. This is where DAC really gets it. Podium, leadership, he aligns with the front office, though he may disagree.

He never says the wrong thing. This is why I criticize the hat on backwards dudes. When you're a quarterback, you are now the face of a four to five to six billion dollar franchise. maturity is going to be a deal breaker. Baker Mayfield right now should get a contract extension. He's not because they don't trust him. Dak Prescott coming off an injury got the biggest contract ever except Mahomes and he got a Jordan brand contract.

This is what I've always argued. Maturity matters. Leadership. Understanding the temperature and the room matters for this. position. And Dak may not have the best arm. He may not be the mess mobile. He may not beat great teams all the time. But he is A plus plus in a lot of things that people don't give credit for. Where Colin was wrong. The Yankees are not only bad. They've lost seven of nine. They're not even the most interesting team in their own city. The Mets have Jacob de Grom. They're in first

place. They're the talk of East Coast baseball. The Yankees have scored fewer runs in their own division than Baltimore, who has just 22 wins. They're not doing anything well. Aaron Boone, a buddy of mine

who I thought was going to be kind of the elixir, the magic guy to it's not working. He talked about it. We're going to find out what kind of character we're made of. We're clearly in the midst of incredibly tough times. We've faced it throughout this season and, you know, we're going to find out what we're made of and if we're the team we think

we are. And, you know, we need to, we need to, I mean, we need to step it up, period. And finally, during the college football season, I said, everybody's a moralist until they're broke. I said, college football keeps telling us they're not going to have a playoff. I said, yes, they are. Six months later, they have announced a playoff. is coming after next season. Remember, for years, it was, we're happy with four, there's going to be no playoff, and I told you, too many universities either make a fortune with football or they go broke. And when the pandemic hit and fans couldn't attend games, even major universities took

troubling bank loans to pay the bills. A lot of these universities are teetering on the edge, and the only way to survive is a bigger check for television games. This is what we predicted that college football and all their values and morals would cave to, hey, you know, you can make like $4 billion more a year with a playoff. And that's when they went upstairs, raised their hands and agreed, we'll have a playoff in one year. I think it's the right move. I think it's imperfect. It's time to pay the players, I would scale back some of the out-of-conference games. 17 games, potentially for teams, is absurd if you're not going to pay players something. It's really, players are going to start

sitting out games and you're going to deserve it if you don't pay them. But we predicted they would move to a bigger playoff and the, we'll talk about it in eight years, took less than eight months. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.

Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows, without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series

because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing.

That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball, like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out. real quick. Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone. It's Ryder Strong and Will Ferdell from PodMeets World. And now the PodMeets Twirled podcast. We're two men who were completely clueless to reality TV, who now have covered Dancing with the Stars, traitors, and we're gearing up for the season finale of Survivor. So, yeah, now we're experts.

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for all our Survivor 50 takes. Listen to Podmeets Twirled on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Real talent is defined by what people can do, not where they learn to do it. So by stopping at the education section of a resume, you might throw away the perfect hire. Skills first hiring helps you see talent others miss, like more than 70 million stars, skilled through alternative routes. Let their story unfold and gain a competitive advantage because hiring managers who start with skills are 60% more likely to find a successful hire. skills first. Learn why at tear the paper ceiling.org. Brought to you by Opportunity at Work and the Ad Council. Greg Olson is at the Levine Children's Hospital in Charlotte. His son has been there,

and so Greg and his family have been there around the clock for the last several days, as TJ, his son underwent heart transplant surgery. And Greg is one of the warmest, nicest guys we ever cover in this sport, and he joins us live for about 10 minutes today. So Greg, you know, I think the world of you and I hope you're doing okay in your family and we I think about TJ often and I just want to thank you and and I want to address this because it matters you have had strangers and people reach out to you and your family and if you could just for a minute share the impact it's had on you you know the reason we've shared TJ's journey you know since he's been born so over eight years now and make it so public and and share some of these difficult moments is I always feel like

it's easy for people to share success stories and it's easy for people to share success stories and it's easy for people share how good life can be. But I also feel like it's our responsibility to share our vulnerabilities, you know, share our downtimes and show that, you know, there's kids out here like TJ. There's thousands of them throughout the country that don't have that voice. They don't have that ability to to get their cause or their case, the recognition and the platform that it deserves. So we feel, you know, very responsible for sharing what the world of congenital heart disease looks like through our own son and to go through the past month of, you know, learning a lot about the organ transplant list and how that process works and learning what heart transplant looks like for an

eight-year-old and seeing your son, you know, go through that process. You know, it just, it continues to further, you know, our motivation to help in this space. And it's a space that we've gotten to know really well over the years. And, you know, we take great pride in trying to give stories of hope and the amount of stories we've received back from other families like us, on the donor end and on the recipient end have just been heartwarming and mind-blowing and heart-wrenching all at the same time. Yeah, Levine Children's Hospital in most major cities in the country and moderate-sized cities, there are children's hospitals out there. And it is, boy, it is in God's work. It is the people you have seen in four years. It really gives you, I bet it gives you

an unbelievable amount of gratitude how lucky we all are to have these. I mean, we just went through a pandemic for crying out loud. Like the health care workers in this country, your experience with that has probably been incredible. You know, there are heroes and there's thousands of people out there, millions of people for that matter, that feel the same way. His entire team specifically here for T.J. From, you know, the surgeon who's actually doing the open heart surgery and, you know, taking an organ from a donor body who was in their last, you know, their last act of life made the selfless decision to donate their organs to extend life for countless other people will be ever for, we'll be forever grateful for that family and their decision. And what they're able to do

in the team of nurses and the physicians and the cardiologists who now once they get T.J. out of surgery kind of go through the process of getting him through recovery. It's just a, it's a remarkable story. We could talk for two hours and I could share what we've learned flying on a private jet, one doctor to another hospital, another part of the country. And receiving the donor organ and flying it back all against this four-hour window. It's a wild, wild, remarkable thing that they're able to do. And these doctors and surgeons and medical staff are just they're what really are the backbone of our country.

And we're just so thankful for them all. Something far less important, but you've always had insight on these matters. And I have texted you from time to time looking for an answer when NFL stories get complicated. you know, Mark Murphy, a very smart guy runs the Packers, called Aaron a complicated fellow, which I don't think was great. But you obviously had a teammate in Cam Newton, who was a superstar. And, you know, I said this earlier, Greg, is that there's so much the game is now built for quarterbacks. They're paid $35 million a year. Aaron's not the only guy this year, Deshawn Watson, Matt Stafford wanted out, Carson Wentz wanted out, Carson Wendts won a doubt, Carson

Wilson was unhappy. Deshawn's been unhappy. There's a lot. Dealing with quarterbacks now, I do think there's a responsibility for the teams to understand that these 27-year-old men, these 33-year-old men, these 35-year-old men, the pressure they faced, and Aaron's like, can I get some help around here? So I found myself, although I've disagreed with him many times, kind of aligning with Aaron on this a little, you dealt with the pressure Cam faced and the criticism, every loss is Cam's fault. When you look at the Green Bay situation, how does it, Greg, land for you? Yeah, I understand where these guys are coming from, right?

As you said, I've played with some high-profile quarterbacks who face, you know, they get a lot of the credit when things go well and deservingly so. But I think more often than not what we see is to your point, when things don't, when Aaron Rogers doesn't win a Super Bowl and when we lost the Super Bowl back in 2015, team, all of the blame and any of the failures in return get put on the quarterback. So I think these quarterbacks look around and they say, listen, they look around, they see Kansas City, they see these other teams, they say, I want these weapons. You can have five Pro Bowl offensive players that every quarterback wants more, right?

It's just, it's in their nature. They want every draft pick. They want every first round pick. They want four all pro receivers. They want a tight end, left tackle. That's just who they are. They know that the better they are, the players are around them, the more sense. success they are going to have and they realize their legacy is going to be based on winning Super

Bowls. And Aaron Rogers looks right now at his career. He's MVP's won one Super Bowl. But if he wants to be up in that Manning, you know, that Manning, that Tom Brady category, he knows that the clock's ticking and he's got to win a few more Super Bowls. And he wants the organization to know, I need some more pieces around me. I need to be treated as the top of the totem pole of this organization. And you need to give me what I need to succeed and ultimately win the Super Bowl. It's easy. It's easy. to criticize Aaron and say, Aaron, it's a first round pick. It doesn't matter. Forget about Jordan Love. But when your team moves up in the first round to get somebody and you have other needs, as a tight end, there were probably one or two times in your career. And you knew they would draft

other tight ends because there are times when there are three on the field. But when you, name a time in your career that a team drafted a tight end high, first second round pick, knowing that they would do it. Is it still, I mean, if Fox drafted another sportscaster in the first round, I'd probably have a bad grumpy week. What is it like? Yeah, I mean, we all go through that, right? I mean, I read that Fox is auditioning other former players to do,

and I'm like, wait, I haven't even started yet. And they're looking for guys in the minor league, right? I mean, we all see those reports. Back in 2010, when I was in Chicago, it wasn't a draft pick, but we signed Brandon Montemaleuna, who was a big prize free agent at the time. We brought in Mike Martz, and here I am returning as the leading receiver,

and this was back when free agency started at midnight. So, like, at, you know, 1 a.m. on free agency, they announced that they signed Brandon Montevalliuna, and here I am saying, you know, I thought I was your guy, right? Like, we all take that stuff personally. Over the years, I remember a couple years back that before they drafted McCaffrey, there was rumors that we were going to draft O.J. Howard out of, out of Alabama.

Yeah. And here I was, I was a pro bowl player, one of the top producing guys in the league, but your pride and your ego, no matter what anyone says, it gets involved. And it just, it's taken personally because in this league, the guys who find success and the guys that are incredibly motivated, they find every single thing that can be taken as a slight, as a knock. And they almost use it internally to continue to push themselves the limits even higher than they've already achieved. So I get it. I didn't want us to sign a rookie free agent. I didn't want

anyone in the building. I thought I could handle it all. I was the man. You were never going to take a catch away from me. You were never going to take a rep away from me. And I'm not the all-pro quarterback. So I get it. I understand where Rogers came from. It's part of the business. We all get along. I'm sure he's a good teammate. But at the end of the day, highly driven, motivated guys who have a lot of, you know, they believe in themselves and they hold themselves in high regard, they take any threat as a challenge, and I get it. Yeah. By the way, Greg is hosting Tight End You with Travis Kelsey and George Kittle,

three-day summit and beautiful Nashville coming up June 23rd through the 25th. It's featuring over 50 tight ends from across the NFL to train, hang, and learn Travis Kelsey and George Kittle. You don't have enough microphones. Those guys. That's going to be good for you. That sounds really, really fun. And by the way, TJ, send our very best.

You're such a committed parent and such a great guy. I want to thank you for just giving our audience the story behind it as well. I thought you said something really, really important. Too often we share the successes in life. You're sharing a struggle. And that's an amazing thing. You're one of the smartest guys I've ever dealt with in this business. I just want to thank you for coming by the show.

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