The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 06/25/2021 - HOUR 2 - Rodgers, USA

Episode Date: June 25, 2021

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

In for Colin Cowherd. Isn't it fun to have sports back? I mean, I guess it's fun to have fans back. Although it should be pointed out that we're the generation that needs to have PSAs telling us not to punch each other in the stands. Like, I kind of thought that was a known thing, didn't you? Whatever. Anyway, the Clippers get a win. That series is two games to one.

and now the Milwaukee Bucks get a chance tonight to even up their series at one apiece at home against the Atlanta Hawks. We'll get into that as the show rolls on. Thanks so much for making this part of your day, wherever you are and however you making this part of your day. It's a Friday. Colin will be back on Monday. And I love lawyers.

I employ a couple of them, you know. And, you know, in this world, you need a good one. And I also, the more you live, the more you know that this statement is true. Always read the fine print. You might find a loophole in, right? Like in buying a house, right? When you buy a house, there are steps that you go through when you go like, hey, I want to buy a house.

You agree to it. You go back and forth in negotiation. You have to have earnest money, right? Put a little change down there. Get into escrow. But you're not necessarily locked in to buy a house. buying a house as a buyer until all the contingencies are removed. And even then, there are ways in which you can get out of it. Actually, as a seller, it can be even more

difficult to get out of than as a buyer. You got to know the loopholes to this thing. Well, you're under contract. Like, that doesn't mean you have to buy the house. Sometimes you just get under contracts so you're under contracts and nobody else can buy the house. I mean, There's loopholes in every contract. Here's one, and I don't know if you know it. Okay. That in media, in media, when we're at a media company, and our contract is set to expire,

even, and almost all of these contracts are written this way, if you're an employee of any of these major, you know, Fox, ESPN, CBS entities, where there's a window of time, usually 90 days at the end of your contract, where you can negotiate a new contract with another entity. But the truth is that your current place of business, even after you agree and even after your contract expires, has usually like six months in which they can decide like, all, we're going to match it and keep you, even if you don't necessarily want to stay. It's true story.

You're not really, no one actually does it and flexes their muscle. If you want to go, you can go. But the truth is that when you're an employee of a specific company, any of the big three and other companies are like this, they can hold on to your rights and not let you go. You're like, well, that's a really bad deal. Yeah. That's why you need a really good lawyer. Right.

So Mike Floreo is a lawyer. I don't know if he's a good one. but I do know that he understands all of these contracts and all of the details. And I'm guessing that this is something that David Dunn is the agent that represents Aaron Rogers, right? David Dunn also, by the way, was the agent that represented Carson Palmer. And the last time we had a guy retire because he didn't want to play for an organization at quarterback, especially was a David Dunn client in a Carson Palmer. Now, there's some similarities.

Aaron Rogers at the time that he signed his contract was the highest paid player in the National Football League. Carson Palmer. Do you guys remember when Kimo Van O'Hoffen is a defensive lineman for the Pittsburgh Steelers and the playoffs? The Bengals were the better team. They had home field advantage against the Steelers in the playoffs and Kimo rolls up on the leg and tears the knee of Carson Palmer,

which, by the way, was the first game played after he'd signed this gargantuan contract. Now, what happened was Carson Palmer, he came back to since when he signed the contract he said like look I love it here we got good town but you got to promise me

we're going to do X, Y and Z we got to take this franchise from the perception as cheapest franchise in the NFL to being a legit if we want to win championship we got to do things like a championship team

I'd see old when when Marvel Lewis took over it wasn't they didn't stay in a hotel the night before a game in the for home games and you may think like that's not a big

thing. Well, when you're when you're the bungles and you got dudes that are running wild and oh yeah, by the way, it's also assigned to veteran players that you're just, you're not about taking care of your guys. From old towels to bad practice facilities to everything. The Bengals were seen as being ridiculously cheap. And whatever was promised to Carson, they didn't fulfill it. And Carson had enough money. He's like, I'm just, I don't want to do it anymore. So he walked away. way. So there is precedent for it. The difference is Aaron Rogers just won the MVP. No one I know has said the Packers are anything but a professional organization. And while they made him the highest paid player in the National Football League, it's not like that deal just happened,

but Aaron Rogers is still under contract. So I'm guessing, this is just a guess, that's a guess that David Dunn's people sent the contractor this little clause in the NFL PA deal or maybe it's just Mike Floreo fishing right?

Because he fishes for stuff. So Florio's report regarding Aaron Rogers has the ability to sit out the 2021 season and you're like, you mean retire? No, okay? Because remember, if he retires

then he has to pay back essentially $20 million in signbooks. Because Aaron Rogers' contract, much like Deshawn Watson's contract, Aaron Rogers' contract, they get like the first three years of bonuses, they get all paid up, they get put into an escrow account,

and they get basically paid up front. And so if he retires, the Packers have the right to go like, uh, Hi, Aaron, this is a Brian Gunnickon's office. Yeah, we just want you to know,

know that $20 million in the signing bonus that we gave you for three years up front and other roster bonuses, we're going to need 20 back by the end of business Friday, thanks. Right. If you have any questions, call us back at 888 GoPack Go. That's the thing with Deshawn Watson. Like Sean Watson's contract just, the extension basically just went live. He signed it like 12 months ago. And he got paid three years up front.

So if he were to sit and not play, and granted, there's all kinds of stickiness now with the off-the-field allegations against Sean Watson. Like, I mean, this is why they don't want to trade him. It's not just because they don't think they can get a top five, top 10 quarterback back in return, but like, dude, we paid you for three years of work you hadn't done. And now you're going to force our hands and leave?

What? But anyway, there is a clause because of what the NFLPA and the NFL, and the NFL just agreed that all players, Aaron Rogers included, have until July 2nd. That's a week from today, to opt out of the upcoming season. This is the carryover from the COVID opt-outs of last year. The NFL is allowing players to opt out voluntarily, no questions asked.

You don't have to say the motivation. You don't have to say COVID. You don't have to say family. Like, if you want to sit for a year, you're good. And Aaron Rogers would be saving the $20 million that he'd be losing if he were to retire or refuse to show up to work for a year. Last year, remember, the Patriots lost eight players to opt out, including Dante Hightower. Here's the problem with opting out. So for Aaron Rogers to opt out, that's him saying I refuse to play for the Packers, but I want to hold on to this cash, which can you blame him?

Right. the problem with it is if he opts out and sits out, no questions asked, right? No questions asked. Well, the contract rolls over to the following year. So then he's still under contract for three more years. And he loses one of his prime years. It's, I mean, like, look, we're all realist. Would he save or protect his body, I guess?

but he's still a year older and less likely to perform the way he did last year, not just being away from football for a year, but being a year older. This, again, it all feels like the Packers know. Aaron Rogers has been told, we're not trading you. Period. Stop. Because I want you to think about it. The real time to trade.

Aaron Rogers is before the draft. Like this talk of trading him to Denver. What are you going to trade him for? He wants to go to Denver because Denver badly needs a quarterback. It's in the AFC. By the way, altitude helps your ball travel further, not just normally, but as you age, help Peyton Manning. So you either want to play in a dome in good weather or even better in altitude.

And he's already played in the bad weather in Denver because he's played in bad weather in Green Bay, but as his arm loses strength like that, that makes sense. Plus, they have a loaded roster. The only thing they're missing, a quarterback. Of course, the Packers, they don't want to trade them, but if they were, they're going to have to get players back, not picks. Additionally, the picks now, if you trade Aaron Rogers to the Broncos, the Broncos are going to be a really good team.

And so, you know, much like the Raiders trading before the season to the Bears, you trade Khalil Mack, that draft picks no longer a top top. 10 pick. So that's why Aaron Rogers camp, I don't believe for a second, not for a second, Adam Schepter going, well, you know, I just had the story and I just decided draft day to let it go. Like that, that smells a bullcrap so bad that I got to go get some febrees and spray it all over. Of course, David Dun & Aaron Rogers weren't getting their way. They asked the Packers, the Packers said no. So then draft day, they're like, oh yeah, by the way, here's this story. and oh yeah, by the way, the San Francisco 49ers have called.

Once the draft passed, if you noticed, there was some chatter, but then over the last couple weeks it's died down. Now this pops up. They know Aaron Rogers is not opting out, but this is a threat. This is the only leverage you have. When you're under contract for three more years, after this year with the Green Bay Packers,

do you think for one second that they feel like they're going to be leveraged? No. And the last part, and this is a really interesting, this is kind of the all-time backfire to it, which is, let's say Aaron Rogers did opt out. And it forced the Packers hand, right? It forced the Packers hand. Do you think the Packers are going to think this is showing goodwill?

He's already done everything he can to try and get the GM fired and destroy the Cold War. of the Packers. And look, I understand. He has his reasons, and Aaron believes what he believes, and he's a guy that the more you say you can't, he believes he can, not just as a player, but as a person.

Like, I get it. I know Aaron a little bit. I understand that he is a dude of principle. He has his beliefs. He thinks he's been wronged, and you don't want to hear anything of it. But do you think for a second that the Packers are going to go like, oh, Aaron, you want to go to a team that's a quarterback away from me? a Super Bowl contender? Yeah, we'll do that. Sure, no problem. No. They would be vindictive as

as hell. Wherever the worst possible place for him. Hey, Houston, you want to make a deal? Right. We're going to send you somewhere football Siberia. The last thing we want is Aaron Rogers to win a Super Bowl, especially when he used an opt-out clause to sit on $20 million. No, no, no, no, no. That's not happening. So this is just a lawyer, like Florio, finding a loophole and using it as some sort of threat towards the Packers. Do I think it works? No. Because the fine print, and it's just like in a, you know, you get one of those new credit cards, right?

And the credit card's like, hey, you know, first six months, 0.9%. That's all we're going to charge you. Hey, what happens after those first six months? Oh, it goes up to 18%. 18% interest. Yeah, we got to make some money. It's a credit card company. The fine print of this Florio story about he has a week to decide whether or not he's

going to opt out to save $20 million is the contract rolls over. He's just, we're just always going to do is punt and we'll play the same game next year where he's a year older and much less likely to get his way with the Green Bay Packers. All right, coming up next. I'm Doug Gottlieb sitting in for Colin. Trey Young has gone from a super talented young player who wasn't easy to coach to to borderline superstar. How has this happened? And oh yeah, by the way, what has this entire journey been like?

You know the best person to ask? His dad. He joins us next in The herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Her to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Doug Gottlieb and for Colin, this is The Hurt, wherever you may be. However you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much, I'm Doug Gottlie. So, um, I have an AAU program. And,

uh, what, what happened was my dad was a my dad was a high school coach became cared text winter staff and when they got fired text winter staff in 1984 at long beach state he went to Oregon state for a year and then he he coached in some minor league professional stuff he did some scouting he was supposed to be the head coach of a iBA which was the six foot four and under league scotty brooks was his first pick of the draft bow jay Jackson was his last pick, right?

And then my dad started what was a travel ball program, and it became an AU program, became a basketball academy. And really, he started a business. And that business was, it had it put together. So he would, you know, put together. So he would, you know, put together a highlight tape or a game tape of a player, sent it to a college that he thought the kid could play at and try and get a player of scholarship.

I say that so that and now having my own AAU program, coaching my own son, and having teams from 11s to 14s, I want to build from the youth level into the high school level. And it's interesting to kind of parachute into this world where they have the circuit now. And as a son of a coach, but there's a guy I played against in college who, and there's a guy I played against in college who he was really, really good. I mean, he gave us fits.

His name was Ray for Young. Now, Ray Young played at Texas Tech. Texas Tech, if you remember, in the mid-90s, they had Darwin Ham, who was going to be an NBA head coach. They had Tony Batee. He was a first-round draft pick. They had Gerald Sasser. And then they had Stan Bonowitz, a great passer and shooter, and Ray Young, and they had Corey

Carr. They had dudes, dudes. And I remember, hell, I don't know. seven, eight, nine years ago, which Oklahoma was like, no. And they'd send you like, this kid would try and do some things and shoot from range. You're like, I just hadn't seen a kid at that level. And so we kind of reconnected. And, you know, privately we shared, he shared me his thoughts on what school he wanted to go to.

And he ended up picking Oklahoma, led the country in scoring and assist, and then decided to clear early for the NBA draft. was selected technically by the Mavericks, but it's trade, obviously with Luca Donchick, and ends up with the Atlanta Hawks. And obviously, if you've watched Ray Young in the playoffs, I mean, it's been pretty spectacular. And the thing that impresses me the most is,

like, Trey's playing the way he hadn't changed his game. He's playing better defense. But like, this is how he, he just, if he plays loose and free, this is how he plays. That's hard to do to kind of dictate terms with how now part of it is what Atlanta has found is like hey let's let's let the guy let's build a system that fits not try and fit a guy to a system and and so many players that

hasn't happened is Steve Nash was drafted by the sons and he was backing up Jason kid is Steve Nash was drafted by the sons and he was backing up Jason kid and then when he went to the Mavericks the reason he exploded on the scene was they started playing small and open up the court for him and then in Phoenix he was even better. Well, Trey hasn't had to go through that. Instead,

they tried to build a team from scratch, kind of around how he plays. And there's been some bumps. Ray, for young, his dad, joins us now in the herd on Fox Sports Radio.

Ray, how are you? I'm doing great, man. How you doing, Doug? Good. There are thousands upon thousands of dads

that are watching your kid. And they're sitting there going like, like a 6-1-6-2 guard from a nice suburb of Oklahoma. Like, how did you do this? When, when Trey was 12, what was he doing? When Trey was 12, we were spending more time in the gym than probably traveling around the country,

planning a bunch of events. Now, I won't say that we didn't go play big-time AAU tournaments and, you know, go from my country. Oklahoma to Dallas or Houston or, you know, Kansas City. But I just, I felt, I thought it would be more important for us to work on his skill work and work on, you know, his ability to do things as a small point guard rather than trying to go out there and, you know, focus on rankings and, you know, playing some, playing some huge tournaments as a kid.

You know, what's fascinating. And it wasn't that you didn't pass, but your job was to score when you're in college. When you play against you, like you were a scoring machine. And your teammate was now coach Dan Bonowitz. Like he was more kind of the passer facilitator. Some of it was he couldn't get a step the way that you'd get a step. But some of it was that that's how he played. But I'm always fascinating.

Like for my son, okay, for my son, like he better be able to shoot. Right. Like you got to fit whatever the hole was in your game. Like you can't have your son have that hole. and he's a very confident shooter, right? When you helped Trey put together his game, what part of your game that you felt like was missing that did you want to inherently build in his?

Well, I mean, you just said it. It was a passing. You know, Trey, Trey's always been a really good shooter. You know, when you're small and you're playing against older kids and you're, you know, trying to compete at a high level, you know, you got to be able to put the, ball in the hole. So that was the first thing that, you know, he always worked on. He's putting the ball in the hole, been able to shoot it and fill it up. But I remember having conversations with him,

you know, early in his junior high, early in high school years that you've got to be able to pass the ball. You got to be able to put the ball on the floor, get, you know, get paint touches, get in the lane, and find your teammates. And that's where you're going to take your game, you know, to the next level. So that was, that was, that was, that was, for the way. pretty much to focus as he got older. How has he dealt with the jealousy, right? Like that's, it's got to be the hardest thing to deal with is at Oklahoma. You know, you come in, you take the college basketball world by storm,

but, you know, older dudes are like, hey, it's been my turn. You know, you get to the NBA and his dude's trying to shoot Steph Curry, Gilbert Arena shots. How does he deal with that? How does he process it? Well, for me, I think it all comes down to his, to his circle of people, you know, with his mom, me, his brother and sisters, you know, his family and, you know, his close friends. Like, he, he knows who's really there for him, who cares for him, who's going to, you know, pull for him in good and bad times. And, you know, jealousy is just something that comes with it.

You know, you can't control that. and I'm not here to say he went through a lot of that, but, you know, he did have some rough times at high school and in college. And I don't think that's been the case so much with Atlanta Hawks. They really, like you said earlier, put a good group of guys around him to help them succeed and, you know, compete at the NBA level. What has Nate done? It seems to have, it seems to have, and this is no negative towards Lloyd,

but whatever happened, when Nate took the job, something changed. What was it? You know, first of all, you know, you never, I know for me, I never want to see a coach get fired, especially African-American coach. You know, Lloyd, I'll always give him credit for giving my son the basketball and letting him go out there and do the same thing Coach Krueger let him do. Go out there and learn, make mistakes. And even through those mistakes, let him keep playing.

But the thing about Nate is when he came, he brought a different dynamic of experience, and he had that real-life experience of telling stories of playing with Gary Pating and, you know, playing on the NBA level. And I think, you know, to a certain extent, Nate has been also an extension of me. So my conversations with Trey are less about basketball now and more about life. And Nate is someone who's coming to Trey's life and giving. giving him confidence that he can be great, you know, on this level playing an NBA. Bro, he came off a ball screen and threw it off the backboard.

And it's one thing to do it in a guarantee game in college when you're playing against Southeast Missouri State and you're up 40. But in like a two-point game against the Bucks in the Western Conference finals, your son's coming off a ball screen, throwing a ball off a backboard for an alley-up dunk. Like on any level is it like, I cannot believe. what he just did? Well, think about it, Doug, just like you said earlier, we've known each other for a long time,

and I've always tried my best to put Trey in situations where he could be himself. And I couldn't control it at the NBA level, of course. But in junior high, I made sure he was playing for the right coach. They would let him be himself. I did the same thing in high school, where he was recruited to all the prep schools, but he decided to stay home and go to Norman North,

where he got to play his game and be himself. And it was the same thing at Oklahoma. You know, he could have went to Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, and all these schools and been one of four or five other All-Americans. But he stayed at Oklahoma where he had a chance to play his game and be himself and, you know, just play free. So he's been really blessed to have that situation. And it's the same thing with Atlanta Hawks.

You know, with them drafting him, one thing they've always done is they've never taken away his freedom, no matter if it was Louis Piers. or coach Nate. So, you know, Trey has certainly worked hard to get where he's at. You know, it takes a little luck for this as well, but he's also been blessed.

And I hate to make it sound so simple, but, you know, that's, that's truly what it is. Yeah, well, it's, I think,

and again, feel free to correct me, right? It's an unbelievable work ethic, right? Oh, yeah. And then there's an unbelievable level of confidence,

right? Right. You're a small point. guard, you better have the level of confidence where no one can tell you you can't do it. But how do you balance it? Right. It's like I'll just, this is letting you in way too much. So I have a 13 U team.

My son, he's too little. He doesn't play for it's a platinum level team, right? And we had a kid who last night I had to part company with not because he's not a talented player, but because the, you know, the dad was telling him, hey, my kid needs more touches. And we couldn't run any offense. We couldn't share the ball. Couldn't get him cutting, couldn't get him playing team basketball, right? Right.

So how do you find, how do you balance it? Like, look, bro, I know you can come down. And anytime you get it, it's like that last shot against the Knicks, which ended the series. Like that's what he wants those dagger shots. How do you find the balance between the confidence and. the intelligence of making the right play, even if the ego tells you you can make every play? Well, that's, I mean, that's a tough question.

It's a great question. But the only way I know how to answer that is I feel like basketball is just as much, you know, in between the ears as it is physical. And what I mean by that is, as you know, like Trey and I spent years and years and years just sitting on the couch and talk Tim Duncan. Like we're watching Tony Parker play with Tim Duncan and win championships. You know, we're watching Kobe Bryant playing with Shaq and winning championships. Like we're like I truly believe one of the things that are missing with today's younger kids,

you know, younger athletes, especially in basketball, is they don't, they don't watch the game. You know, there's, they watch their phone, they watch TikTok and their phones. Yeah. Watch highlights on overtime, right? They don't actually watch the games themselves. Exactly. And I, you know, I'm not here to bash any other kids and say mine's the greatest and the best ever. But I truly believe that, you know, the times we spent sitting on the couch, watching NBA games, watching college games,

and then maybe driving two hours to Dallas, Texas for a tournament or two hours to Tulsa and just talking basketball has done more for his development. element than putting some cones on the court and dribbling through cones and shooting. That said, that said, his floater game is spectacular, right? Right. Am I wrong to think the way Milwaukee guard him in game one is the exact wrong way you want to guard Tray Young? I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't want to have it wrong or right. I just know that one of his strengths is his floater in his mid-range game, so I've never quite understood why people talk so much about him shooting 30 and 35-foot-3s because, you know, he's just as deadly shooting that floater, and that's something we've worked on for years, years and years because he's always been the smallest kid, so you've got to be able to get in the lane and hit that floater. So I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen to this series.

I hope the good guys, you know, the Atlanta Hawks pull it out, but I'm sure both teams are going to make adjustment. What's it like to see your kid drop 48 in his first Western Conference Finals, the Eastern Conference Finals game? It's unreal. It's unreal. It's one of those things where, you know, you've got a kid and you go to bed at night when he's younger and you dream about it, but you never really think it's going to happen. And when it does happen, it's kind of hard to keep it in, you know, emotionally.

Because like you, I mean, we grew up watching the greats. And I never thought my son would be dropping 48 and 11 assists in the Eastern Conference finals. I might have daydreamed about it, but to see it really happen, it's just very, very heartwarming. But I know he's worked hard. I mean, he's worked hard and he's sacrificed a lot of things as a kid, but maybe not going to parties or maybe not going to sleepovers with his buddies. But, you know, he's worked to get here, and I'm just, I'm proud of him. Ray, man, congrats.

It's great to see you. Great to see you. Great to see you. We'll catch up in person in the meantime. I know there's a couple more kids there that you're raising as well to be, to be whatever the best that they could be. Continue that. And thanks so much for joining us.

Yes, sir. Thanks for having me. Talk to you soon. All right. That's Rayford Young, who of course is the dad of Trey Young. And the July sale is here and they're selling. You will ever find. Casper's Fourth of July sale is here.

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Doug, breaking news, breaking news in the NBA. Something that had been reported over the last few days is now official per multiple reports. The Mavericks are officially hiring Jason Kidd as you talk about former players who have played the game in big spots. Jason Kidd will be the Mavericks new head coach. Now someone who doesn't have big game experience but comes from a 12.

totally separate part of the sports world. Nico Harrison will serve as their general manager and run basketball operations. Doug, you know Nico and his connections to Nike and what he does in the basketball world, but never having officially served a role in an NBA front office before. No, Nico is like you're going to be hard pressed to find an NBA guy that doesn't think the world of Nico Harrison. So he was like Kobe's basketball guy. Like Rob Polenko was the agent

and Nico was handled all the basketball stuff for Kobe and then of course he evolved into a role with Nike basketball. He ran to LeBron James first the Nike Skills Academy than the LeBron James Skills Academy. And there's even a shot when you remember when Damian Lillard

hit a, I think the game winner over Paul George a couple years ago in the playoffs like Damien Lillard went into the crowd and you know the guy he saw out was actually Nico Harrison, even though Nico's a Nike guy, and Dame is an Adidas guy. And Adidas is also in Portland, by the way. So this is a guy that everybody in basketball really, really likes and respects. And it's a new twist.

We've seen agents run franchises. Now you've got kind of a basketball guy who doesn't have NBA experience. But it's going to be interesting because they hire Jason Kid to coach and they hire Nico Harrison to run the shop. That's a fascinating look at what Dallas is going to try. An interesting help Luca build a winner in Big D. An interesting change in Dallas for sure. One thing that has not changed is Kevin Durant on social media, Doug. The Nets may be out of the playoffs, but that doesn't mean KD is done taking shots.

Starting from the beginning real quick for those who may not be aware of what's going on, Scotty Pippen did an interview with GQ. He basically said, Kevin Durant is not as good as LeBron James because he doesn't play team basketball like LeBron does. Well, that got everyone all worked up. K.D. caught wind of it. Scottie Pippen refused to go in the game for the last second shot.

Didn't the great Scottie Pippen refused to go in the game for the last second shot because he was in his feelings that coach drew up a play for a better shooter? This guy Scott, not Scotty, by the way, I called him Scott, also wanted to enjoy his summer so he chose to rehab during the season. L.O.L. Yo, at Scotty Pippin. They followed Phil, not you. Well done, Katie. Well done. Look, Scotty Pippin's clearly bitter since the Jordan documentary.

The crazy part about the Jordan documentary is, like, I don't know. I heard Michael Jordan say he's the best teammate he ever had. And he called out Scotty for being selfish in the last dance. All of which is true. Like, nobody forced Scott to sign that contract. Nobody. Nobody's not forced him to sign that contract. Contra.

So, I mean, obviously that's the motivation behind it where he's become part of kind of like Team LeBron instead of Team MJ. Because again, then today there was the tweet, right? Scotty Pippen said King James won a championship without any surrounding stars. Like, well, that's not true. Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosch, Hall of Famers. Right. I mean, Kevin Love is going to be in the Hall of Fame, whether you like it or not.

Kyrie Irvin's going to be in the Hall of Fame. Anthony Davis is going to be in the Hall of Fame. So, yeah, Scott, I mean, look, this is, what Katie has told us this is what he likes, this is how basketball people really are. Most people are back and forth like this, and all the other stuff is flopped. Yeah.

I like it. Yes, I do like this version of social media, KD. See, exactly. I was, the burner account thing I always found to be a little weird. Now, I know it's a lot more commonplace than most of us will likely understand or acknowledge. I still always just found the thing a little weird. If he's going to go out publicly on his own verified account and start going after dudes and talking smack like this, I got no problem with it whatsoever.

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