The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 06/28/2021 - HOUR 3 - NBA, Lillard

Episode Date: June 28, 2021

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Good to have you here on a Monday. So we got NBA playoffs. These conference finals will get wrapped up pretty quick here, I think. And then we'll get to the finals. The ratings have been very good. People like stories. The stories have been good. People are watching sports everywhere.

Baseball numbers up. NBA ratings up. Soccer ratings up. Football ratings will be through the roof. Yeah. I mean, for sure. It's been great basketball, though. Yeah, it's fun.

Close games? Yes. Long series. One of the things about the NBA, if we're complaining about the officials, it's good. That means the games are close. Right. Anytime anybody complains about the officials, I'm like, well, okay, then people care. Yeah, if it's a blowout, it's not blaming it on a call.

Nobody cares. The other thing is, a Saturday night you had that game where Clipper's Sons was inartistic to say the least. And my takeaway was the reason that stood out is because the quality of basketball now is so good, you never see that. Yeah. That game Saturday night, Clipper Suns, they do 30 for 30s on those

on ESPN. It's called the Pacers Knicks series where literally three guys on the court could shoot. The most overrated team of all time was those Knicks teams because they played tough and they felt like New York and we like the Knicks. John Starks was their shooting guard, not a great shooter. They had no shooters. It was Charles Oakley.

It's Anthony Mason. They didn't have a lot of shooters. Like, as everybody understand now, you can literally not have a second guy on the floor who can't hit a three. It's a total liability. Ben Wallace made the Hall of Fame. He averaged five points a game. He had value.

What would you do with Ben Wallace today? What would you do with him? Like, that's what I say about Tim Tebow. When I covered the bucks back in 94, 95 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they had two tight ends. Their backup tight end was like David Moore, 12 catches a year, very slow. He played in the NFL for a decade and a half. That was a role.

In the mid-90s, your number two tight end could not run. He could be slow. If he was a tough guy who could block, you kept him around. And Dave, nice guy, he'd have like 12 catches a year. Could not run. I mean, I think depending on what your scheme is, like, that still could probably have some value today. Well, if he's your three, but now he's either got to be able to be a great blocker, Tebow won't be.

Well, yes. I mean, you have to be great at something. Yes, you have to be a great blocker. Like Travis Kelsey now is the third best player in the NFL according to PFF. Kyle Pitts, who got drafted by Atlanta, could be a wide receiver. Like the tight end position in the NFL has completely changed. Yeah. Now you have to be able to run well, 4-6-4-65.

Tibo can't, or you've got to be a, not just a good blocker. You have to be like, gronk, Mo guy is over, George Kittle. Tebow's a former quarterback who hasn't played for eight years. So it's like, it's silly. It's the same with power forwards is that we're getting to a point now. When anybody looks at Saturday night and goes, oh, that game was so terrible. Yeah, we never have those. We never have Saturday night Sun's Clippers.

That's because the game is so great now. Well, the game has issues, but the quality of the athlete playing basketball? Well, I think most people would say it's faster. Oh, it's like hockey and basketball don't look the same as the 70s. 80s. They're just flying. Well, that's what happens when you take a great amount of the physicality out of it. Right. Like literally, Trey is so fast.

We can't say in front of him. Can't stay like, like John Morant. Can't stay in front of him. Yeah. He's just too fast. By the way, and later I'm going to do dame or deal. If I was Portland, what would I do for the offers that will come in for him and they will be Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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Go to casper.com slash promo for details. Raja Bell is a former NBA player, 12 years in the NBA, undrafted out of Florida International University. Now that's a very common story in the NFL. It is a very unique story in professional basketball. He played a year, the CBA, and then became one of the best defensive players in the NBA, two-time all-NBA defensive team. He played for these sons.

He knows how passionate the market is. They've been dying for good basketball. Raja Bell is now joining us live. You know, it's funny, Raja, that I grew up on the West Coast, so I can remember being in high school, and they had Paul Westfall and Alvin Adams, and then they had the Tom Chambers and the Barclays, and Phoenix was always this incredible NBA city,

but they sold, they had some, you know, bad breaks. They didn't have the new owner, Sarver didn't work for me. And as I watch them, now I'm like, oh, this is the Phoenix I remember. It's a great basketball city and go back to your time there. I told Joy the other day, I said, I can't imagine Phoenix being great this year and fans not being able to go. It would be just, there's, did you enjoy your time there? Phoenix was my favorite stop. I played on some great teams, some great environments, but the town is just electric when they have, you know, good sports. It's a great, it's a great town to begin with,

but when sports are good and they have teams to cheer for people to pull for, especially late in the playoffs, the later you get in the playoffs, it's a phenomenal vibe. It was a great place. By far, my favorite stop along the way. That's not taking anything away from the other places. But we just had really good teams. I had really great teammates, like a family environment.

And the fans and the way that city embraced us was unreal. You know, I've been a huge fan of Chris Paul forever. And, you know, he's old school. And I like, and I think too often in sports, we want to ditch old school. And I think there's real value in having guys. I mean, you're a guy that got into people's faces. You would jaw with Kobe. You would get, I mean, that's old school.

Like everybody's a buddy now. You were more PJ Tucker. You would, even your buddies, you'd get in their face. I love Chris. But Chris also can wear people out. And I know that. Are you surprised by his success this quickly in Phoenix? No. So, you know, you talked about kind of, you know, the sons maybe haven't lost their way for a while. I think, you know, James Jones has a lot to do with that in the construction of the roster. And what I thought they were missing in that equation with that young talent that they had was a guy like Chris. And so I'm not surprised that he would come in at this point in his career. And I'm sure he's learned along the way to how to kind of relay those messages to people maybe in a less abrasive kind of way. Someone to hold those guys accountable, someone to talk.

all their skill sets together. And that's kind of what I see him doing on the floor, right? He's another guy who can close, but he's a guy who can help alleviate some of the stress off of Devin Booker, get in some easy buckets. He can also help get DeAndre Aitin cooking, so you get the best out of him offensively. And all of those shooters and other guys that can make plays,

he's able to help facilitate. And so you see that playing itself out on the court, but where I thought he had the most impact, and I'm sure, you know, if I was in the building and really getting to ask these questions, which I'm not, someone would say, is someone that is willing to do what you're talking about, Colin? hold people accountable, be in faces, ruffle some feathers today,

knowing that it'll provide dividends and we could get a win tomorrow and not being afraid to do that. Because championship teams have to have the guy in the room that's willing to tell you when you didn't do your job and tell me when I've got to be better in my job and tell us collectively that we've got to play better as a group and not be afraid of the backlash that comes with that. So I think he's the perfect guy. Now, what the shelf life on that is, you know, that remains to be seen.

I think you kind of just alluded to it could rub people the wrong way. But in the immediate and the right now, I think he's the perfect fit. And you see what's happening with the Suns on their run to a possible championship. You know, Kauai Leonard is such Raja, such an enigma. He's nonverbal. So it's hard to build the franchise around it. One of the things I've said is that the cake was built in San Antonio and it was built in Toronto. He was the icing.

And he's great. It's carrot cake icing. It's the best. He's the assassin. but if you build your franchise around him and he's the cake, he's nonverbal. And I'm not blaming him for the injury. I'm not.

But this team has been weird at the end of games, the last two years with Doc and Tailu, the communications poor. Is it possible that Kauai is just the most talented two the games ever had? That you can't really build around him, but he's your best player and you understand it. Yeah, that's tough. when it's an interesting point, it's an interesting way to look at it. I'm reluctant to say that he's

a number two just because his skill set is so remarkable on both ends of the floor. Like offensive and defensively, he is a game changer. And the ball typically finds who the number one is, right? Like coaches can call plays, but players know. And even at young ages, the ball's going to find the best player on the floor. And so when that plays itself out over and over again, I mean, he's the number one. But if I think outside, the box and kind of allow myself to go down the path you're going, you could have something there, right? Like, I think you need a, you have to have someone who is his equal in terms of skill set so that he can fall in the lane of it at best of one B because he is relatively non-communicative

and teams are built on that. Those are relationships. They're families. And when you have a guy who can be as aloof at times and not in the chain of communication, you better believe it's going of, you know, kind of rear its head at the wrong time. And so having someone there who is maybe one A or at least as equal, I think is really, really important with Kauai. And preferably a guy who's his equal that's really chatty, really personable, a great dude, you know, rallying the troops, taking him out on the town and having dinners and, you know, bonding family, somebody who really generates culture and brotherhood in that locker room. I want your thoughts on the replay you.

So we always know that umpires have different strike zones. And NFL officiating crews, some call pass interference, some dope. But in the NBA, we think they have to call it in the same way. And I watch the end of game two in that out of bounds play. And I think the crew in game four said, hey man, if that thing comes up, like, let's just keep play going. We're not going to go to the replay on that thing. So I will defend the officials in that not all NBA officiating crews, some T guys up fast. You know, Raja, you knew the guys that let you push.

You had a book on them and you knew who they were. So I'm going to defend the officiating crew in game four that watched game two and thought, guys, let's just stay out of the replay on that. Is that a reasonable take or am I wrong? Yeah, no, that's, look, the backlash that you got from game two, I think you were, you probably got something from the league saying, hey, if that pops its head up again, just leave it alone. I mean, I would take it a step further than the rest.

I like that the rest didn't go back to that. I hate the call, even though if you're going letter of the law, I mean, it's off of, I guess it would have been Devin Booker at that time, but I don't like the call. Anyone who plays basketball knows that ball's off of the defender at that point. But I'm okay with the rest not reviewing it, stalling the game out the way they did in game two and game four. And I would take it a step further and say that the league or the competitive committee

or whoever it is, I don't know, probably got involved. and there was a phone call in regards to that. Hey, guys, look, if these come up again, we're going to try to leave those alone. By the way, Steph, Dame, Trey Young. So now you can't hand check. So good luck keeping these guys in front of you. Now they can shoot from the logo.

So as a great defensive player, how would you defend Trey Young? Yeah, it's tough. I mean, it's much easier said than done, but I'm going to say it anyway. You have to take away his face, Colin. If you were going down, you know, pluses or minuses of Trey Young or any NBA player, one of the minuses he would have is his size, right?

Right. Just both height-wise and physically. And so when you ask me as a 6-5-220-pound defender what I would do, you know, I would try to limit his ability to play in space. I would try to touch him up as much as I could. Now, I have six fouls. And I know we're playing in a league that increasingly doesn't want to let guys touch. but I'm going to take four of them over the course of that game, just trying to hope that the cumulative effect will slow him down at the end of the game.

But allowing him to play in pure space out at the top of that key and coming downhill into the lane, I mean, you are just, I mean, he's either making shots or he's missing shots at that point. And part of me believes that the Bucks are kind of employing a strategy to some degree that the Spurs used to employ against us with the Sons, with Steve Nash and Amari. What their philosophy was, if they stayed home on myself, they stayed home on Sean Marion, if they stayed home on whoever else was out there with us and didn't allow us to kind of compliment with 12 to 15, 16 points that Amari and Steve over the course of a series would not be

enough to beat them. And they played itself out that way. And then Tim Duncan's told me on record, like that was their strategy in those games. And so part of me believes that's what the Bucks are doing. But you just got to be disciplined because he can drop 50, 47, 40. if you're just going to let him play in space. By the way, he's got a podcast. One of one of the great basketball podcasts in the country.

Right now, Bill Simmons pays him. If Bill doesn't, I will. So, by the way, if Simmons gives you any grief, just call me and I'll buy your podcast. His name is Rajabelle. Give your podcast some love here. Yeah, we're on the ringer. With ringer feed, we're called The Real Ones.

I'm with Logan Murdoch. Great dude out of the Bay Area. Way too much brave propaganda. for me. But we have a good time. We chop it up. Check us out. We're on Mondays and Thursdays. We just have fun with it. It's a good time called real ones. Roger's smart dude. Credit to the game. Great seeing you, man. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me, guys. You bet Rajabelle, former NBA guy for 12 years. He was tough. And he and Kobe had some battles. It got, you know, that's the thing. Like, PJ Tucker

likes Kevin Durant. They're friends. But you got to get to. Yeah, PJ took Kevin on his visit. Yeah, but you got it. But they get it, he gets in his face. Well, that's what, like, true competitors really like that. Like, Kobe liked that. Because it feels better when you win. Like, if you do beat somebody who's really trying, it feels better.

Yeah. That's weird, though. Like, guys can compartmentalize like that. Like, a guy, we could be best friends. We could be going out later for dinner. But I'm going to get in your face and try to intimidate you in a game. And that's okay with guys. Yeah, well, no, I think it's overall a competitive thing.

If you're a true competitor, you want to compete against the best, you want to beat the best, and you want to be challenged by the best. That's why really great players, this idea that they don't want to be coached is silly. Like, no. You want to get better. Like, if I just have someone telling me yes all the time, then I'm going to, we know lots of players like that, who are good and we're like, you could be great, but you don't want to be told what you're doing wrong. Were you coachable?

Hmm. Not the best. But that's why I'm sitting across from you talking about it. Not playing. That and I'm 5'2. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. You know, this is a certain way I like to be talked to, you know? So I got in trouble once. You want to hear a call-in story? Yes. So we were beating this team. I was quarterback. I wasn't very good.

And my best friend in high school was the running back. He had already had three or four touchdowns. We were playing a team called Ilwako. And they were worse than us, believe it or not. And we had a play where he would go in motion. And if a linebacker didn't follow him, I would just turn and throw it to him for a touchdown. And my friend Jack, Jack Jones, already had like four touchdowns. And so we were winning like 42 to 6 or something.

And coaches don't like to rub it in. So we were down under the goal line. And I stopped my foot and he went in motion and nobody followed him. So I just threw it for a touchdown. And I went to the sideline. And my coach said, you're uncoachable. He goes, we led by 35 with four minutes left and you're rubbing it in. And I'm like, well, the linebacker didn't follow him.

He goes, sit down. You're totally uncoachable. We don't do that. And I was like, by the way, my friend, Monday in the Seattle PI got his name in the papers. I was like, boom, took care of my bro. But the coach, I was, so I was called by my coach. Yeah, so you were literally told you're uncoachable. He looked at me.

He goes, you're completely uncoachable. Did he tell you not to rub it in? He thought I should know. I don't know. I'm kind of on your side there. 18. You didn't tell me. By the way, that's what I was thinking. I don't think he was in the mood for me to have a snarky retort.

I thought I just sat down. I was uncoachable. I was one of those players. This is just a certain way you got to talk to me. I don't like you yelling and screaming in my face. Just tell me what I'm doing wrong. I can explain to me. So there's been a lot of speculation.

Which team? Who's the guy? Who's the blankety blank that Tom thinks he's so much better than calling out on the shop, which he is so much better than if Tom saying. We thought that he thinks that he is. So the 49ers Bears and Titans all quickly emerge as potential targets for Tom Brady. But now, and we, well, Colin, through his great detective work. Labrantly.

Labrantly. We kind of narrowed it down that it's got to be Mitch Trubisky. That's what I think. But now multiple sources are saying that the mystery team is actually the Raiders who decided to stick with Derek Carr. But Derek Carr's good. Derek Carr, yes, Derek Carr is good. He's not great. He's good.

Yeah. I don't know that he's a blankety-blank. Yeah, see, I don't think you can say blankety-blank to good. I don't, well, but Tom Brady is so much better. Yeah, but if I was on the market, I'm pretty good at this, right? You were good. and we went in a show with Maverick Carter and MF somebody and then you and I were like,

you stuck with those? It wouldn't be like competent shows. Like shows that are solid. Yeah, it would have to be a show that everyone's like, eh. Pathetic. Yeah. A pathetic show. And there are a few of those.

Well, but, okay, so here's the thing, though. There are some things. We like the things. That's how we got to Mitch Tribisky, right? The things. Okay. So the Raiders dropped out late in the process. Remember, that's what Tom was talking about.

A team that dropped out late in the process. As a source said it, the Raiders thought the Brady's request for extra things was over the top, which don't even get me started on that. Now, where are you reading that? Is that a new information? Yeah, this is new information. Then Brady's comment, when the full show aired, said that he ultimately wouldn't have chosen the mystery team. So that means it's not the 49ers because that was his first choice.

Right. So, because, you know, there's like maybe his Garoppola, whatever. You know, Eric Mancini was talking about it earlier. But they, they, he wouldn't have chosen this team to begin with. So it couldn't be the 49ers because he wanted to go there. Okay. So I didn't have that information initially. And he said when I look back, I'm like, there's no bleeping way I would have went to that team.

But they said they didn't want me. I know what that means. I know what that feels like. And I'm going to go bleep you up because of that. And then he did bleep the Raiders up. 45-20 blowout, 33 of 45, 365, 369 yards and four touchdowns. Well, I didn't have that information when I did my detective work. I thought you did a great job with the detective work.

I thought my detective work was Cousteau-like. Yeah. But this, some of that information might. Is that right? Is it Cousteau or was that the undersea? He's not a... Jacques Cousteau. I think I got the wrong name.

Yeah. What was the Pink Panther? Is that Cousteau too? So Cousteau was Pink Panther and the Sea Explorer? All right. Anyway, I'm just with Cheryl Combs. But, yeah, it's just, it's very, interesting. Look, when Tom Brady says

something like that, we pay attention. I like that he is being authentic. And listen, when you're Tom Brady, you can call people that and what are going to do about it? So not a whole lot of people Well, the new information does lean toward Derek Carr.

Well, but the craziest part of that to me is not that they would necessarily stick with Derek Carr because maybe they think Derek Carr is good, which I think he is. He's not Tom Brady, but he's good. But the idea that Tom Brady's asking for too much, what are you talking about? What do you have asked? What could a part of Tom Brady possibly have asked for? A second...

You know what? It's just a little too diva for us. That is a second parking spot? Right. Like that's the part that's like, okay, that would trigger me if I'm Tom Brady. By the way, because in Tampa, he didn't ask for a lot. Well, maybe he did, but they obliged. So we don't know that he asked for a lot because it's working out.

Fair. So Tim Tebow is working hard to earn a spot as a tight end on the Jags 53 man roster this year. and Urban Meyer is being realistic about his chances of making the team. That's the reality of the NFL that you have 90 players. So to me, he's one of 90. He's a guy that's, you know, what's the difference between him and the other 40 guys trying to make the team? To me, it's all the same.

They're lively, you know it. This is a job. This is a way to make a living. And reality is that, you know, a good percentage of your roster is going to get cut or transitioned out of here, which to me, that's completely new. I like that from Urban because that's the truth. This isn't college. No.

You're not shaping the minds of young people anymore. These are grown adults who have bills to pay in kids and they're in lives. This is that they do for a living. So this is not about, this is not time for sentimental moves. Like you got to put the best people on the field. Urban is fascinating. He's acknowledged on more than one occasion.

I'm kind of figuring this out. Like in coaching, everybody wants to tell you to know everything. Urban's like, yeah, I've kind of figured my way out. Well, I say it all the time. I actually believe this. The most intelligent people are always asking questions. Right.

Because you know there's so much actually that you don't know. But the smartest people on Twitter, John 3896524, has all the answers. Some people swear they know everything. If you have five numbers after your name, you're out. I won't even read anything you say. It's not a good use of your time. It's code for Red Hat Guy. So Diana Tarasi continues to build her WMBA legacy.

she became the first player in WMBA history to reach 9,000 career points in the Mercury's win over the sparks last night. Heading into the game, she only needed six points to reach it. And she hit it with a layup in the first half. After the game, she said the accomplishment was cool, but she hopes it's broken someday by someone who loves basketball and dedicates her life to the sport. To put in perspective what this is, the second leading score in WMBA history is Tina Thompson, who has 7,488 points. Now, this is confusing to me.

Hasn't she been playing for like 12 years? 17. All with the Phoenix Mercury. Yeah. Holy heck. Yeah. She's three-time champ, two-time finals MVP. It feels like she's been playing forever. League MVP.

And she's still good? And she's still good. And she's going to her fifth Olympics with Sue Bird. Oh, my God. Yeah. Now Sue Bird's been playing forever. Yes. They both have been playing a very long time.

Yeah. Ten-time All-Star. 10-time all-N-B-A-first team. She's a legend. Incredible career. So, yeah, congrats, Diana. Well, what to go? What to go?

Joy of the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. That whole Brady thing's got me just new information. Now, maybe it is Derek Carr. It's very juicy. Detectives always want new information to solve the case.

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I don't think I get with Anthony Davis. The Lakers have very limited first round picks based on what they gave up for Anthony Davis, so I'm not doing it. I just think Dame loves basketball and Anthony Davis at times really, really likes it. I'll take Dame. Would you keep Dame or deal him for Jalen Brown,

Marcus Smart, and multiple first round picks? This is one of the rare. If I'm Portland, and I know the goal is to win a championship, I would take the Celtics offer. Jalen Brown is only 24. He has gotten better every year he just averaged 25. Marcus Smart's only 27. Tremendous defensive player, his offense is spotty. But the Celtics have first round picks in 22, 23, 24, and 25.

I can get two of those. Jalen and Marcus smart, I can start to solve some of my issues, and I would be a much better defensive team without having to give up all the offense. That move I would make. Would you keep Dame or Dillon for Kauai Leonard? This is closer than people think. I would take Kauai because I do think he's a plus defender. I do think on his best nights, he's the best get a back, get a stop guy in the league. He's not a leader. That's not what I'm getting. I don't know if he plays every night.

We'll see how this injury goes. But Kauai on his best nights is generally the best player in every series he is in. And that includes if he played Steph and the Warriors or Luca and the Mavericks, he would be the best player. Would you keep Damien Lillard or deal him for Bradley Beale? I like Bradley Beale, but he's not quite as good as Dame. Dame has averaged over 25 points per game in six years. Beal only three. Lillard had a higher offensive rating.

a higher net reading than Beal this season. And I think Dame has, you know, he's been in so many big games. He's been so great in those big games. I just feel like Dames just a better clutch shotmaker than Bradley B. I'd take Dame. Would you keep Dame or deal him for Tyler Hero, Bamm at a bio, and Kendrick Nunn? That's the second deal I would take. I would do that deal.

So BAM wouldn't be as dominant in the West as the East, but he gives you about 19 a game and nine rebounds. Tyler Hero is only 21 still in his rookie deal. Kendrick Nunn's really talented and cheap. So again, I'm going to lose some offense. But I solve some of my depth issues, some of my defensive issues. This would also allow me, if I get Bam, to move maybe a Zach Collins or a Nerkich. I could probably move a big.

This would allow me to move one of my bigs. That's even more to this. I would take the Miami off. Would you keep Dame or deal him for Paul George? I would keep Dame. Dame is first or second best clutch player in the league. Paul is super talented but has struggled sometimes with free throws, sometimes with shooting in big games.

Paul is a better defender and he's a tremendous player. Again, this one, like the Kauai ones, closer than you think, because I think Paul does a lot of things Kauai does, but a better leader. I think he's a better communicator. But in this shooting league where Trey Young gets to the Eastern Conference finals, I'll stick with Dame. Would you keep Dame or would you deal him for Karee? Oh, that's not even close. Dame's a better defender, although he's not great.

He's a better leader. He's less erratic. You know, Kyrie's won a single playoff series in his career without like LeBron or Durant. Karee is an all-time finisher, but I just... When I think of him, I think of erratic. I can't rely on him like I can rely on Dame. Would you keep Dame or deal him for Ben Simmons, Matisse Thibel, and Tyrese Maxie? I'd keep Dame.

Where's my offense? I mean, Simmons, two of those guys are world-class defenders, but you can't have two of them on the floor. When Ben's on the floor, he can't shoot. So that sounds great, and I get a bunch of length. But offense is winning these games, not defense. I'd keep Dame. Would you keep dame or deal him for Andrew Wiggins, James Wiseman, and the 7th and 14th overall picks? I'd keep Dame.

Wiggins' last two years has gotten worse. I don't think there's much leadership there. That feels like a bunch of B and B minuses and draft picks for an A plus player. I'd keep dame. Is that it? That's it. That's a lot. Wiggins, Wiseman, and the 7th and 14th?

Yeah, but what do I know what am I getting with 7 and 14th? Wiseman, Portland's got Biggs. I don't need Biggs. And Wiggins is expensive, and all he can do is score. I don't get anything else with him. That's all he can do. I don't know. I'd consider it.

I'd sleep on it. Boston, I'd make the move. Miami, I think I would make the move. Boston gives me a lot. Cremot presents a complete line of body wash, body bars, antiperspirants. Go to cremoccompany.com. CREMO.com. Amazon Do-Has-It, retailers. Great show

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