The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 06/29/2021 - HOUR 2 - Number 2, Warriors

Episode Date: June 29, 2021

Colin ranks the top second best players on pro teamsThere's a rumor of a possible huge Warriors tradeGuest: Cedric Ceballos Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What, Colin Cowher. Somebody mentioned this this morning in our staff meeting. the clippers are really bad early in every series, then great late. Yeah. They're like the ultimate procrastinator. They're like the dad who waits until Christmas Eve to go shopping. That's such an edgy way to live. But the dad nails it every Christmas. You open up the present, you're like, dad waited until Christmas Eve.

And yet he's, got me the skis I wanted or the golf clubs I wanted or the kitchen stuff I wanted. That's the clippers. They ultimately nail it. It just they procrastinate. It takes them until like game four, game three, game six. And you're like, wow, they're easily the best team in this series. Are you a procrastinator?

No, I'm the opposite. I'm going to get, I don't like anxiety. See, that's what it is. I, for certain things, I am not a procrastinator. But there's just a couple things that I procrastinated on. and I think that's what it is. Like, I don't like the anxiety, but there is a little bit of a thrill to waiting to Christmas Eve,

and then everyone's at the store, and you're rushing to get everything you need. I think it's what it is. If you, in fact, I think I'm the opposite of a procrastinator. I've gotten more so in my later years, and I think sometimes my curtness is not great. Like I would rather tell somebody, if there was somebody that wasn't working,

hey, we're going to fire you. I still love you, but it doesn't work. I would rather go do that in 30 seconds from now. I don't need to lead up. I don't need to think about it because I never want anybody to BS me. Well, that's fair. Yep. So I think everybody's getting BS. I think politicians BS, our kids BS us, the parents BS, our bosses BS. Yeah, you're just wasting people's time. Yeah, so I tend to be curt. And it's really off putting to a lot of people. But I can't procrastinate. I can because most people are procrastinators. But that is, that's a good way of putting in perspective with the Clippers are. Or maybe they're just a little, you know, they're an older team, so they just got to take a little

time to get warmed up. You know, you get out of bed the morning, can't just hop up like you used to. You got to get the joints oiled a little bit. Yeah. Maybe it's that. Very fair. So Cedric Sabaullis is great. He'll be joining us in a couple minutes.

So Scotty Pippen's got a new book, as Rick Buecher said, it should be called Axegrind. He writes a book because Michael Jordan did the 10-part documentary, which was wonderful. And to me, Jordan's documentary was accurate, but it did lean toward. Michael's direction. That's what documentaries do. You know, what was that one that was really popular, making a murderer? It leaned toward the victim. A lot of it, the documentarians lean toward the victim. My wife's like, oh, I can't believe he's in jail. And I'm like, oh, he tortured animals. I'm over. The reality is whoever does the documentary, it ain't journalism, folks, their documentaries. It leans toward the

person making the documentary. Michael's documentary leaned toward Michael. But I lived through it, and it was accurate. It just was a little more favorable to Michael than it was. anybody else. Whereas Scotty's book feels like Axta Grind. Now, we were talking about the term, and Joy and I agree, Scotty's always been viewed

exactly as he should be viewed. A great Robin. Now, there's always been the feeling he's the best Robin of all time. I've said that. So I went this morning and really examined this. Who are the best robins of all time?

What does that mean if you just turn to our show and don't understand what that term means? it means on a great team, you were the second best player or the second most noteworthy player. So the greatest Robin of all time is actually Kobe Bryant. During the Shaq Kobe rivalry, Shaq was the greater player. And if it wasn't for free throws, he would have gotten all the shots late. Shaq, it was Shaq's team. Now, Kobe's a five-time NBA champ, a two-time finals MVP, one of the 10 best players I've seen.

but in that dynasty, Kobe was viewed as the two. He was very, very young. That's the best Robin ever. The second best is Jerry Rice, viewed as the best wide receiver ever. He has the most receiving yards in NFL history and the most touchdown receptions in NFL history. But it was Montana's dynasty. Nobody disputes that. Montana was the MVP in Super Bowls.

Jerry Rice was the second greatest Robin of all time. The third is Mark Messier. Yes, I know hockey. When he was in Edmonton, that was one of the great hockey. teams of all time. The Dynasty in Edmonton. Gretzky, the great one, was number one. Messier was one of the top five players in the sport, maybe top three. He was the two. Six-time Stanley Cup champ, five with the Oilers. He goes then and becomes the Batman with the Rangers and leads them to a Stanley Cup final. One of the great tough guys ever could skate, tough, could

score. Mark Messier, third best Robin ever. Four, and this is weird, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Yes, the leading score in league history was a Robin on the Showtime Lakers. When you watch the highlights of the Showtime Lakers, it's almost all magic. It's often other Lakers beyond Kareem. Kareem is a six-time MVP most ever in NBA history, one of the great defenders, the most unstoppable shot. But on the Showtime Lakers, it was really Magic's team. The fifth best Robin of all time is, I know it's weird, Bill Belichick. We can now say it was 60-40 minimum Brady over Belichick.

So Bill struggled to win in Cleveland without Brady. He could not win early in New England without Brady, and he could not win last year without Brady. Tom wins New England. Tom leaves win Super Bowl in Tampa. Belichick is the fifth-gratest Robin of all time. Number six, the beloved Dwayne Wade. On the Heedles, he was a Robin.

13-time All-Star, top 20-25 player of all time, was never a great shooter. He was always kind of the soul of a team, but he wasn't as dominating when Shack came and they won, not as dominating physically as LeBron when they won. He's the sixth best Robin of all time. Now, sometimes he was asked to, like Kareem, to be a Batman, but in the greatest moments for the heat, he's been a Robin. Number seven, I know I'm going way back, Lou Gehrie. Garrig. He actually won two MVPs, one of them playing with Babe Ruth. He was a six-time

World Series champ. He was the Yankee captain for about six, seven years. On those teams with Ruth, there were moments he was actually the better player. Number eight would be John Stockton. Right? Carl Malone ends up top five score of all time. John made 10 NBA All-Star teams. It's interesting. We never talk about him in the Robin conversation. He's one of the top five point guards ever, probably behind Magic, Steph, Isaiah Thomas, then you get into the John Stockton conversation. Rock Solid only played with Caramalone as a star. Number nine, I think you'd have to say Grunk, arguably the greatest tight end of all time, five-time pro bowler, all with Brady.

The Brady to Gronk is the most prolific touchdown duo in NFL history with 14. Nobody's ever had more touchdowns in the NFL that the quarterback to receive. thing, that's number one, 14, Grom. And then number 10, I think you put in Scotty Pippin. Because we started using the term with him. He's also a six-time champ. He's also a seven-time All-Star. I would argue he was a much better defensive player than he actually was a skilled

offensive player. But he was a great Robin. And he always understood. It was Michael's team. Michael got the last shot. For the record, Tony Kookech isn't the only guy to get the last shot. often when he was on the floor, Kerr got the last shot. Paxson got the last shot.

Sometimes Kuko got the shot. But Scott, he qualifies, to me, is the 10th best Robin of all time. And I don't think it's a shot. Now, some people aren't Robbins their entire career. Mark Messier became the guy in New York. But if you're telling me for an extended period of time, I mean, Kobe was a Robin for like four years. He was like, he was, when they, in fact, I would say, say Del Harris before Phil Jackson,

Kobe was the Robin for like five to six years. And then Shaq leaves. Then they get Gassal and then the rest of his career, he's the guy. Kind of crazy, right? I know what you're thinking this morning. You're just taking shots at Pippin. But is Pippin better than Gronk all time?

Well, we just always default to those Bulls' teams as just one of the greatest dynasties in sports, which you know, you could argue the Patriots is a more dominant dynasty. And they were almost 20 years. So like if you really start breaking it down, these might start to slide a little bit. We just default to Michael Jordan's the greatest and he didn't win without Scotty. Yeah.

Which is why it's like when you start complaining, then people start actually questioning your legacy. Like, wait a minute. We always have said you were just the best. By the way, McKale was the Robin to Larry Bird. And I think McAil was comfortable with that. The difference is Scotty. Scotty is comfortable being the Robin because I think he knows it, but he feels the documentary minimized his value. And when I watched the documentary, I thought it was very clear that Michael felt Scotty was essential to it. But there were so many personalities and so many weird moments in that Bulls dynasty that Scotty wasn't talked about a ton. Jerry Krause got talked about. Phil got talked about. Rodman, who's not nearly as good as Pippen,

got talked about. Well, sometimes when you aren't extremely problematic and you do play your you don't get necessarily the credit for what that type of value brings. You focus more on the negative things. You focus more on Rodman dipping out to Vegas in the middle of a series. You focus on things like that and it can become boring and talk about, and you know, Scottie was there and doing his job. Like that's what happens when you do your job. Sometimes people get so used to you being consistent that you don't necessarily talk about it.

That's John Stockton's career. And he just gave you 11 assists every night. And that's the way it was. And he's 16 points, 11 assists, played great defense. And then you talk about stars being selfish. Like that can sometimes be what everyone focuses on as well. Like it's, I mean, we're in Hollywood. People ask for crazy things.

I want only vanilla, you know, sprinkles on my ice cream or I'm going to throw a fit. Is that needy? I don't know that it's, I don't know that it's needy. Yeah, it's needy. But like when you're a star, that's what it is. And sometimes the number two is just like just there, just does their job and shows up every day. And you're like, okay, I don't have to give you that attention because you don't necessarily need it. and then that becomes a problem.

And that's probably where Scottie is right now. Let's bring in Cedric Sabalos, 11 years in the NBA. He played with stars. He was an all-star. He was a slam dunk champ. He averaged 15 in his career. Now a Maverick's employee. Cedric, it's an interesting conversation that to be an NBA player,

you were probably a great high schooler, a great AAU, Fullerton, you were great. Then you go to the NBA and somebody says, hey, you're going to be a three. And it's like, whoa, whoa, I'm not right for that. So I do have sympathy for Scotty Pippen and that not only was Michael a one, he was the one of all time. Do you think sometimes being Pippen was harder than we acknowledge?

Well, first, AAU in high school, I didn't get to play at all. I was the bench rider, so don't put me in that mix. Late bloomer here, late bloomer here. But I think the wonderful thing about the comparisons, one, Michael Jordan is the greatest. So he's up there. But you're Robin sometimes get depleted because Michael's so great. Scottie personally to me and probably to a lot of others in that error was the hardest person one to guard or to be guarded by.

Now, don't get me wrong, I average 20 plus points over Scotty by playing him. And then Charles Barkley said if we had said we had won in 93, but the guy could guard everybody from the point guard to the five. He could play every position. He had a decent shot. He stretched it out to three sometimes. He could drive. He can leave.

He could defend. He can stop people. You know, I even put him in a position. where the 91 series when they won their first championship, the movement to make him guard Magic Johnson was the problematic cause of them after they lost game one. Magic couldn't do as much as he can do because of Scotty. But I think his robin abilities do get depleted because Michael was so high.

But for me, you know, Scotty was one of those guys. Spreewell, one of those guys and a double team with Larry Johnson and Stacey Augman. I did just so hard playing against those individuals, but Scotty was at my top of my list. Goddy says Michael's selfish, and I said this last hour, Cedric, is that when you identify a great talent, it could be Mark Zuckerberg with Facebook. It could be Elon Musk. It could be LeBron. When you identify at a fairly early age, wow, Jeff Bezos, that's a genius.

Then what starts to happen is you start building around this person's mind or this person's athletic ability. like LeBron James. 14 years old, people said, I remember reading a story about it. There's this kid in Akron named LeBron James. He's 14. Everything from that point forward is how do we groove his path to make him great? So whenever I hear, well, this star is selfish. I'm like, well, yeah, like I'm going to give guys who are great selfish.

You played with players. Do players understand that the one sometimes is selfish and everything is built around him? Or is that hard to deal with? No, it depends on the Robbins, so to speak, that are playing with that Batman. Yeah, Michael Jordan was selfish. But he had to be, he had to be to take his game to the next level. Same with Kobe Bryant, same with Shaquil, same with Karim Abdul-Jabbar. All of those players had to have some selfishness to go deep inside themselves to go,

okay, I'm not going to let us lose. That's a selfish remark right there. I am not going to let us lose, and I'm going to will this team. that's a situation where those are the elite. But you also have teammates to understand that. And some teammates don't want that attention. You know, you talk about John Stockton. John was a tremendous defender, a great person, a tremendous teammate,

very hard playing guy, but I don't think he wanted any stardom. He wanted to sneak in the back door, put in his uniform, play hard, and then sneak out the back door. And could care less who, you know, if you knew who he was or not. Scotty Pittman is one of the elite players, and it's unfortunate that he played a great part of his career, his best years with the wonderful Michael Jordan. So let's go to the Clipper's Sons.

I felt like watching that game last night. It was the old dudes against the young upstart kids, and the old dudes just leaned on them. And you start looking at Batum and Paul George and Patrick Beverly, and you've been in those games, and I thought the Sons, This was the biggest game for everybody there except Jay Crowder. And I thought they were tight.

Cedric, I thought the sons were tight. Did you? Well, the pressure I thought was on the sons to try to close that out and all the fame. I love the way Chris Paul really got out of the 3-1 narrative. Like, don't talk to me about it. I've been there, I've done that, I understand that. I think they really went for the home run instead of just getting on base. You saw every play.

You know, you had Cam come in when he made a bucket. The threes were up and he was hooping and hollering. You know, Booker made a bucket. He was hooping hot. I think that really got away from him. But the most important thing, like you said, it was Crowder. You know, where was he last night? His office ability, now, I don't think he's going to go score 20,

but I think making the right passes, making a precision shot was hurting. And then for the clipper side, I thought a couple of things that I saw in Brooklyn's game seven against Milwaukee. Kevin Durant was out of gas and he's a jump shooter. Janice was a driver. I think that's why Janice kind of overtook Kevin. and they both played a lot of minutes in that game. Nash didn't pull out Durant. It seemed like when he needed that jump shot,

he didn't have the legs to get to the basket to finish to do what he had to do. Paul George, when he missed those free throws and don't get me wrong, they could have been a switch. It could be 3-1 right now. Paul makes free throws and, you know, I text Jerry West about this all the time.

And he understands that if he had his legs under her, he might have had a better chance to make those free throws. I thought when they took him out in the fourth quarter and Mark Jackson and Van Gundy was like, why is Paul not in the game? I thought that rest got him enough energy and enough break to stretch it out. I love the way cousins came in and played and kept his cool head. He had a couple of incidents where he could have pushed and got a technical and Morris.

That's just the way they play. But I thought the way that they handled the minutes of Paul George kept his legs. He was fresh. Now, you're saying the first quarter, he was really not there. I thought he was kind of pacing himself and getting everybody else going because late in the game, you watch this series. It's all up to PG and Jackson, and it's up to Chris Paul and Devin Booker going one-on-one trying to find ways to score the basketball.

And all four of those individuals need their legs in the fourth quarter late. Cedric, it's interesting. We view Paul as a great two. But availability matters. Kiree's availability. Anthony Davis's availability. Kauai's availability. To me, they're great twos.

They're super talented twos. LeBron, always there. Kobe's career prime always there Michael always there Malone always there I look at Paul George he's always there and he gives you about 26 in these games is Paul just a lower end one or do you view him as a two in this league he could be both he was a one in Indiana you know I thought he was aggressive maybe a one and a half at O KC you know you had Russell Westbrook there and I think it's the same thing here I think they went with the one one and a half here. I mean, Kauai, when he's on the basketball court, obviously he does great things and

tremendous things as he did against my Mavericks in that wonderful series. But, you know, when he's not there, Paul can take over. He can be the guy that doesn't touch the ball until five seconds left to go in the shot clock and still knock down shots, still be effective on defense. I think that's the versatile position that they got, you know, when they required both of these individuals. So I think he can be a two, but he is very dominant, but he needs to stay consistent. you know, when he comes the first quarter to the fourth quarter when he's at the one. I love talking to you, Cedric. You've been around.

You know these games. You know these teams really well. Cedric Sabalos, former NBA All-Star over a decade in the NBA. And I always appreciate you stopping by the show. I get smarter. Thanks, man. No problem, man. Talk to you later.

All right. Cedric Sabalas. I watched him play in college against UNLV. He played for Flurton State. He was skinny back then. He is good. Skinny but good. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.

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but he's taken a lot of criticism of his postseason career, and he believes he gets singled out in a negative way more than any other star in the league. I do. And it's the honest truth. It's a fact. Worry about that. It comes with the job, I guess. But, you know, it is what it is. I still try to go and dominate. So it is what it is. They can judge me on what they want to. That part don't matter to me. I'm going to go out there and who can give everything I got. So I said, if we're going to acknowledge that Anthony Davis is actually a two, but as talented as a one, is it possible that Paul George, because of his inconsistency, is viewed as a two, but he's actually just a lower end one, which is he does some things better than Kauai. He does a lot of things as good as Kauai, and he's way more available than Kauai. So the availability part, I agree with, because I am all in on consistency when it comes. to that. Like, be there every night. That's why I think

Eli Manning gets a lot of pushback and I'm like, listen, you can think whatever you want about Eli Manning. That dude was on the field. Every game. You knew Eli was going to be there. 15 years. Everybody else did to figure out the injuries and whatever. He did not miss a game's injury in his career. There is value to that level of

consistency. It might not be the greatest, but you're going to be there every day. So you know what you're going to get from him. So that part I do agree with, but he is very inconsistent in big game. So you can't, I don't think that you can elevate Paul to an actual, you know, total one if I really don't know what I'm going to get from you. I might get greatness.

Okay, but it's a very good. It's the best argument against me. But do I get what I think I'm going to get out of Hardin in the playoffs? Paul George is a better playoff game than Hardin a lot. And that's a guaranteed one. And Hardin just unravels in playoff games and gives me. Yes. And I think that Hart, but I think Hardin gets criticism for, I think we're very high on on James right now because of what we've seen. we saw with him this year with the Nets during the regular season, stepping up the way that he did, playing very unselfish basketball. It was a different version of James.

So I think we're riding high on that. But I do think James gets a lot of, he gets a lot of criticism for his moments in the postseason as well. But we view Hardin as an absolute no doubt about it one, but his style doesn't get the whistle in the playoffs. He doesn't give you anything on the defensive end. And he sometimes runs out of gas. I don't know that I view Hardin as an absolute one.

Oh, I think the whole world, don't they? I think he's a superstar. But is he capable by himself of leading a team to a championship? Like that's what an absolute one is to me. Well, I mean, not by himself. I mean, Jordan needed Pippin. I mean. Okay, but relatively speaking.

Like Jordan won, no question. LeBron won, no question. Game seven playoff series tomorrow. Paul George or James Hardin, do you want? I take Paul George. Because I get a way better defensive player. And I'm going to get 44 minutes from him. I know where his head's at.

That's tough. It is. That's what makes it confusing. Is it possible? Paul George is a weaker one and not a two. Because I'm watching last night and I'm like, he is taking, and it's not just the third quarter. But as good as Devin Booker is, I think a lot of people are about ready to make him a one. He doesn't defend at all or he's not a great passer for a two. He's not a great defender yet.

But we view everything to the prism of is shotmaker. And I don't think, like we talk about two, like it's the worst thing in the world. to be at two. Like, there's roles on championship teams. It's a team effort to begin with. But there is a little bit extra in the one. That that's the person that can, as Cedric was just saying, is that person going to take,

I am going to make sure we don't lose this game. I'm going to do that. And we know they're going to go do that. We know if LeBron's like, all right, I'm going to go win this game. LeBron's going to do that. Paul might say he's going to do that. But is he capable of doing that? If you take actual basketball fans,

the knock against LeBron in the MJ LeBron debate is Michael was better in the clutch. Okay. Using fans' arguments, playoff games are more important than regular season. Because if we're going regular season, LeBron blows Michael out of the water with every stat. So the playoffs matter more. Paul George, Game 7 James Harden in a series. I would take Paul over James Harden. But there's like a lot of evidence that Paul is going to be completely inconsistent.

He has 11 career playoff games shooting 25% or worse from the field. That's the most among all active players. Well, he's been in a lot of them, in fairness. He's been in the playoffs every year for a long time. Yeah, but he's been the most inconsistent in those games. Like, he's had, he is, I'm not going to bore everybody with all the numbers, but he's had some really crazy stinkers in the playoffs. There's like a reason this reputation exists.

Right. It's not that Paul's not a great player. It's not that he has, doesn't have the capability of greatness because we've seen it. but it's the consistency that I think separates you from the rest of the team and the rest of the league. And what I'm arguing is Hardin has been way more inconsistent than we, maybe not than Paul, than we perceive. Also, maybe there's not actually that many true ones in the league. Like LeBron.

Durant. Kevin Durant. Cuff Curry. Dame. Dame. I mean, once you start getting down the list, like then you start seeing some holes in games. and then does that make you an actual one? So really like it's defining what a one truly is

and maybe there just aren't really that many of them. Because I would say Kauai is a one, but Kauai is also injured a lot. So does that, where does that put him overall? I don't think, I don't, I would never build a franchise around Kyrie Irving, though I think he's brilliant. But I would never build a franchise around him. So therefore he's not a one.

I would build one around Durant. Right. I'm not sure. You build a franchise around Steph Curry. Yes. Dane. Yes. around LeBron?

Yes. Anthony Davis? No. Because he's too inconsistent with his body. He does. He's not committed to the game. He doesn't work as hard on the eye. I want to be a one.

I want some leadership. I want offseason. I want you to be vocal. I'm not into chill guy. Right. Well, that's what I'm saying. So maybe we are thinking there are more ones in the league than there really actually are. I think that's fair.

So after Michael Jordan's first retirement from the NBA, 1993, he pursued a career in baseball. And during an interview with Dan Patrick, which had a lot in it. Scotty Pippin revealed how he felt about Jordan's decision. What did you think when he said he was going to go play baseball? I didn't really think about it. I was really focused on my own craft at that time. But I thought it was a big decision, though.

Yeah, it was a big decision. But it was a selfish decision. But it was kind of who Michael Jordan was. And that was a guy that kind of believed that he can do. anything on his own. Yeah, I mean, he's not inaccurate that if you go back and read

what really happened, Michael did not give the Bulls a big heads up. He was training with Tim Grover to do baseball before he told the team. Right. So Michael, I think if you got Michael on truth serum, he would acknowledge that he could have

done a lot more to give the team a much greater heads up. He was also in a very difficult place emotionally. Yes, he was. Because his father. Correct. So we give Michael a little bit of a pass on that. Well, I think I give Michael a pass on mostly everything because I don't look at this, I don't look at Michael or at any superstar or genius to your point earlier as somebody who's supposed to do things the way everyone else does it. That's why they're who they are.

You can't be Michael Jordan and be everybody's buddy. And like, make sure everyone. everybody's cool. You're going to spend all your time and energy doing that instead of putting time and energy into what's making you great. And yes, that sounds selfish and it flies in the face of everything that we, you know, as humans talk about morally and socially, but there are outliers in life. And that's how they become that. A lot of people have potential and talents and genius. But what cultivates that to the next level is eliminating all distractions, eliminating several emotions and building your support system in a way that allows you to be that level of great. That's just the way it is. You can't be like chummy with everybody all the time.

It's true the greatest of all time. That's just, that's not how it works. So CBS sports ranked the NFL head coaches heading into the 2021 season. Each of them was ranked with past performance and future outlook and mine. So basically look at this list as a coach's draft. If you we're going to build a team around any of the current coaches, who would you pick? So here's their top 10. Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, John Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Sean McDermott, Sean McVeigh, Pete Carroll, Bruce Arients, Matt LaFlor, and Mike Tomlin at 10. Well, now that's interesting. The game has changed. So I don't have a problem with Reed over Belichick today, all time Belichick's greater. Yeah, this isn't like who is the best coach of all time. Today, who would you

want, if you're starting a team, I would hire this guy if I could draft any coach. Yes, I think today that makes sense because the game has changed. By the way, if I had a corner and a wide receiver, I would have almost my entire life taken the corner over the great wide receiver. But the way the game is changing, I would now take the wide receiver slightly over the corner. By the way, in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 80s, I'd take the running back over the wide receiver. Now I take the wide receiver over the running back. So I don't think it's a slide at Belichick in today's, let me see that list again. I can spend four hours on this list. So I think Reed Belichick are the top two, everybody else.

You know, I'm glad Sean McDermott of Buffalo got love because I think he's great. Yeah. I think the top four are correct. I think, I'll tell you this, Matt Lefleur is interesting. If you told me today, Brian Flores Matt Lefleur, 10 years choose one, I'd take Brian Flores. Right. Because I think Brian Flores has put his defensive and special team stamp on that. Matt LaFleur, it's Aaron Rogers team. Yeah, I need to see Matt LaFleur without Aaron Rogers.

Yeah, I think I would put Tomlin at 9. I would put Tomlin over Matliflor right now. Oh, Kyle Shanahan's not in this list. Oh, who did this list? CBS Sport. It was an intern at CBS Sports. He's Simpson fired. Who would you put Kyle Shanahan above?

Well, he keeps beating Sean McVeigh. He was 11. He keeps beating Sean McVeigh. Head to head with less quarterback talent. Okay, here's the other thing. Again, I'm not knocking at LaFleur, but that he inherited Aaron Rogers and his brain and talent. Brian Flores gutted his house. He had just the foundation of a roster and built a house.

The dolphins feel like Brian Flores. his team. Flores is 16. Oh, God. Who did this list again? That's terrible. I would put Flores above the floor. I would put Shanahan above the floor. Well, well, who is ahead of... I would also put Shanahan above

the floor because he made it to a Super Bowl and the floor hasn't. Along with McVeigh. So you're going to tell me half the leagues of better coach than Brian Flores. Let me just look at the camera. You're stupid. That is ridiculous. I love giving you.

He should be inches away from Sean McDermott. If you look at the dolphins today, they are Brian Flores. Yeah, no, I agree. When you look at the Packers, they're not Matt LaFleur. They're Aaron Rogers' team with a little accent of Matt LaFleur. He's made them a little more of a running team, and he deserves credit for that. But I don't feel like that team doesn't feel like Matt LaFleur. It feels like Aaron with a touch of Matt, whereas the dolphins go 10 and 6 with two in Ryan Fitzpatrick.

So you put Kyle Shanahan at 9. You would put Flores. No, I'll do my list and it won't get anything like that list. Okay. My list doesn't look. I'll give you one and two. Everything else. Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, and then we're going to move some things around.

All right. A lot of, I've been moving furniture for three months in my house. I'll move this furniture for the next three hours. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. That is.

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They're going to move off Wiseman. they're going to use one of their two early draft picks. They're seven and they're 14. They're seven and get a star. He suggests Pascal Seaccom of Toronto. This trade should be taken seriously because it's about the timeline. Steph, you've got to get them guys that can help him now. Wiseman is a kid.

Steph needs a guy that can drop 19-9 tomorrow night. That's what Clay can do. Draman, they're all in the same timeline. Wiseman's not on the timeline. He's perfect for Toronto because their timeline is, let's rebuild. So Yakum, value is down a little bit because this year he was underwhelming. So he's out there. And timeline matters.

Remember this? LeBron, remember when he went to Cleveland, he could have had the number one pick Andrew Wiggins? He chose Kevin Love, who people thought had a lower ceiling. Why? Because Kevin and LeBron's timeline matched up. Kevin could get him 24 and 10 that night. Wiggins was a kid. So that matters.

Here's something else. Timelines matter. By the way, if they did that deal, Golden State starting five would be Steph, Clay, Wiggins, Draymond Green, and Pascal Seaccom. That's a top three starting five in the NBA. Now, it'd be expensive,

and I do think they'd eventually move Wiggins. If they had to move anybody, he's really expensive and mostly just a score. Doesn't really feel like a part of the culture. You know, he just gives you points. But this is a team that has been willing through the years to go over the salary cap and pay that fee.

So there's something there if they made that move. but that's what it would look like. And that's why we say for Dame and Portland, you better get moving because that's what the Warriors could look like next year. Kauai's back with the Clippers. They'll be good. LeBron and AD, long offseason, they'll be good. That's what Golden State's going to look like.

Dallas is going to try to get a two to go with Luca with Porzingis and Hardaway. So if you're Dame, and you're looking at that, you're not close. You weren't close to meet in Denver. So that's why for Damien Lillard, Golden State is a move away with a 7 and a 14 and James Wiseman, anybody rebuilding, they can go get a B-plus player. And so how it comes about a B-plus player. Here's the other thing I saw. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this because I'm seen as anti-Cleveland Browns. But the NFL network had something where they listed the most complete NFL teams heading into the 2021 season.

And they put Cleveland 1, Tampa 2, Kansas City 3, charge. Argers 4 in Buffalo 5. First of all, Cleveland does not do well with expectations. That's not good. The other thing, you've got to be careful with Cleveland. Cleveland's got a lot of big names. You know, a lot of big names. OBJ, Baker, Kareem Hunt, Jeddavian Clowny.

Yeah, OBJ is never healthy. The Browns were better when Baker threw less last year. Kareem Hunt's a backup, and Clowney's inconsistent and hurt a lot. So you've got to be careful here. When I look at Buffalo, Tampa, Kansas City, I have proven performers in big games and quarterbacks I've seen at the highest level takeover games. That's not what Cleveland is. You know what Cleveland's a little bit like,

and most of the country will not understand this reference. If you're in Los Angeles, you totally will. We have a music festival in the desert called Coachella. Coachella sounds great. A lot of big names. You take your cool, attractive friends. You take them out to the desert. Going to party in the desert.

Ow! The girls are beautiful with their cowboy hats. And the guys are cool. And everybody goes out there. And then like three days in, it's like, wow, it's 108. There's 150,000 people. You can't get close. The bathroom situation is regrettable.

I'm sorry, but I don't want to live in a tent. And the cool people aren't nearly as cool. as you thought, when there are six rum drinks in on the third day. And then you're like, okay, I've done this like three years. I'm done with Coachella. Cleveland Browns have a little bit of a feel. Like there's a lot of cool stuff there, a lot of cool people. But if Miles Garrett got hurt, who on that defense do you rely on?

Sheldon Richardson, they moved him. Denzel Ward, love him, always hurt. Genevian Clownie, the poster is better than the reality, right? He's one of those classic. The movie poster is better than the movie. he's a great player in spots. So John Johnson, if Miles Garrett had an injury and had to miss a month, who do you rely on defensively? I like their new secondary, but it's a bunch of kids and a bunch of new people.

So I don't know what they are. You've got to be careful about Cleveland. When you're listing the teams that are ready to win, Kansas City is ready to win a Super Bowl. San Francisco if Garoppolo's upright, is ready to win a Super Bowl. Tampa just won a Super Bowl. Kansas City, Buffalo, now that they went and attacked their defensive line, ready to win a Super Bowl. Cleveland, I think Baltimore adding receivers, he's ready to win a Super Bowl.

Cleveland got a little Coachella. Sounds big. It sounds like the greatest time of your life. After a couple years and a few rum drinks and five days in the tent, you're like, it's time to go home now and take a shower. And I can't really hear because I'm like way, way, way back. And anybody's seen a bathroom. Oh, by the way, we can't get cell service.

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