The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 06/29/2021 - HOUR 3 - Robins, playoffs

Episode Date: June 29, 2021

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeart radio app by searching Heard. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. We had a, oh, I got to read this spot. Sorry, the show's very popular, a lot of commercials. Casper's 4th of July sale is here. Bed white and blue, 30% off bundles, mattresses, and more. Go to casper.com slash promo. So we were talking, we're going to revisit our greatest robins ever, Batman and Robin. And we did it earlier today. There have been some players. Now, you don't think of the late Kobe Brian as a Robin. He's a Batman. But during the Shaq Kobe years, for about five years, the young Kobe was a Robin in one of the NBA's greatest dynasties.

An argument to be made, that's the second greatest team that's ever played in the NBA. The greatest team I've ever seen was Jordan's Bulls. And then I think there's three or four teams that can argue it. Durant, Steph's, warriors, although I think they were too finesse, they'd get pushed around. I think the Kareem Magic team probably has the best argument. There would be no answer for Kareem. And magic in his peak, in his 26, 27 was not that far away from Michael Jordan. Magic was unbelievable.

Give you 40 points, 20 assists. And then I think there's the Shaq Kobe team, which it's the only time in my life. You have the two best finishers in the world on the same team. And that's why they sort of, you know, that's why they struggled. They were both the best finishers. One perimeter, one interior. So the Lakers have, you know, two of the four best teams ever. Warriors have one.

And then there's the Jordan team. And so Pippin has written a book. He's upset with Jordan because Jordan did the documentary. And it made Michael look great, which he was. But Scotty Pippen's written a book. And so we go back. We'll do it before the end of the show again. And where does Scotty rank in the greatest rally?

of all time, not as high as you actually think. And I do have sympathy for Scottie. I think his book's a little bit of an ax to grind, but I do have sympathy for pro athletes when you were the best high schooler in your state and the best AAU guy in your team and you go to college and you're an All-American and then you're asked to be kind of like, you know, subservient or a number two or a number three, it's hard. And for a lot of these NBA guys, I think it's really hard, which is why when you put these great players together, they often, they're like, rock. bands. It burns hot for about three years, and then they're like, I want to be the guy again. So that is part, that's a component to that super team stuff. Jim Jackson, Fox Sports NBA analyst

joining us now live. I mean, listen, Scotty was great. I mean, there's no denying that. I do feel, though, Joy and I talked about this earlier, Jim, I've always felt Scotty has been fairly represented as a great two. When he was given the role to be won, he didn't emotionally like that much. He's never been a great shooter. He was a great athlete. I thought he unraveled a little bit the longer you wanted him to be a one. Because I think being a one is hard.

The big interview, the media crap. You know, the coach is going to use you as an example. So I feel that Scotty has been fairly represented. I think we all know what he is. Do you think he's been fairly represented or dismissed and marginalized a little bit through the years. Well, it's a tougher question to answer. And it's what I would say.

Being a number one is difficult. I mean, unless you've been in that situation from high school, if you went to college or not, and then in the pros to understand what it means to carry a franchise, what that burden is like every day. Whether you feel like playing or not, whether you're injured, but you've got to play through it. That's something you've got to carry game after game year after year. And a lot of players who have limited success, let's say, as being a number two or number three,

and they're playing well, but the pressure is not on them to perform. They think that they can carry that load all the time. And a lot of times it doesn't happen. That's not to say that it doesn't. In Scottie's situation, you've got to keep in mind that playing with Michael Jordan was a burden in itself because you're never going to get the full credit. Yeah. Because you're playing with Michael Jordan.

I mean, and that's the thing about that aspect of it. And I tell people this all the time is that the challenges in this, in professional sports, is that everybody wants to be in that line line. But sometimes it's cool being Robin. I mean, Robert is done pretty good for himself, I think, throughout the years and the history. Because we're still talking, we talk about Batman, we always talk about Robin. Yeah. So I think it's pretty cool to be Robin in some aspect.

Yeah, I mean, Kevin McHale's a classic example. John Stockton's a classic example where there's nothing wrong with it. James Worthy had a heck of a career, made a lot of money, and he's living a great life. Well, I say this, though, but here's the defense of Scotty. We always talk about the one year, and the Bulls actually played extremely well that year. Scotty had a small snippet of being a number one. So he didn't have the full breath to grow or to fail at that number one because Jordan came back to next year. Maybe the narrative is different if Jordan stayed retired.

Scotty had multiple years to be number one, to go through those growing pains of what it's like to succeed at number one, but also fail. We didn't see that. So we're judging it based on that one opportunity that he had, which was a success in some aspects in regards to the record. And Chicago, I think that year got to the Eastern Conference Finals against New York. Now, he did have the flaw when he didn't want to go back in the game. but isn't that a part of learning how to be a number one? And we didn't see the full breadth of a Scotty Pippen year two, year three, year four on what he would actually be like

to carry a franchise multiple years. You know, it's interesting. We view Pippin as a great all-time number two, and yet we look at Paul George, who's a better offensive player than Scotty. He's a better shooter than Scotty. He really is. and they're both good defensively. Scotty probably better, but they're both great defensively.

But we look at Scotty, who really wasn't built for the last shot, but was a great player. It's one of the great twos ever. And then we look at Paul George as, he's kind of disappointing. And I think he's a better offensive player than Pippen and pretty darn close defensively. I said earlier to Joy,

is Paul Georgia won, he's just a lower end one, that he's really a gift. He's the closest thing in the league to Kauai Leonard. A six, seven guy defends, can shoot, can score, can make a bucket. How do you view Paul George? Well, I'm kind of biased because I cover him. But I've always thought Paul was an outstanding number two. And the reason why I say that is because he was in indie.

Now, keep in mind, we haven't seen Paul, I mean, kind of with a dominant number one. I guess you could say Russell Westbrook, but we know kind of how that went. So with Scotty, we saw a number one. And we can judge where Scottie was at in that. with Paul when he was in Indiana, he was considered number one, but he couldn't get over the hump. Now, a lot of that had to do with Miami at the time, okay, and LeBron James. A lot of people didn't win championships because of Michael Jordan in the Eastern Conference,

okay, and also Western Conference. So, but I think Paul's a narrative. It's a difference because I think how he left Indiana and went to OKC, then came to the clippertie. When people have something to nitpick at you about, and some things didn't go well in some playoffs here, they're always going to carry that with Paul. I don't care what he does.

He's had an outstanding playoff run up until he missed those two free throws. So when he missed those two free throws, it's all, here he is. It's pandemic P again. Or when he may have a bad game, it's Paul George is back to himself. That's the narrative that people are going to carry with Paul George, unless he can get this Clippers team past the sons and all. on to the finals without Kauai Leonard. But I still think in that, Colin,

people are still going to hang on to the fact of what happened with Paul in the past. Some players just have that. Magic Johnson got tragic Johnson for a reason, okay? Because he dribbled the clock out against Boston in game two in 1984. Then he came back in game four and turned the ball over. But guess what? He has five championships. People love Magic Johnson.

The smile is there. So they don't talk about that as much because the narrative on magic is totally different, unlike the narrative we see about a Paul George who hasn't basically won yet. By the way, the sons looked tight last night and outside of Jay Crowder, it was the biggest game for every member. It was the biggest game for Monty, the biggest game for Chris Paul, the biggest game for Booker. Outside of Jay Crowder, who's been in the finals, it was the biggest game for everybody in Phoenix. And I thought they were tight. Do you think they're tight in game six? Do you think it's going to be harder to close? take a series lead?

Well, it's always harder to close. Even if you're the better team, because you've got to mass the energy of that team that's about to go fishing. You know, about to go to Cancou, to go to Calhoun. Tallum is more popular than Cancru right now, by the way. You know what I mean? So, but here's the thing. Let's give Ty Lou some credit, though.

Phoenix had a game plan on what they wanted to do offensively at the beginning of the game. So what did Ty Lou do? He came out and he had to go small because Zubak is not there. So he played zone. The zone defense threw. the Phoenix offense off. L.A. was able to make some shots early, which then allowed them to stay in their zone a lot longer. That changed the whole narrative and pace of play and everything about the game, the game in favor of the clippers. Now, the Phoenix Suns made their run, but Paul George,

Reggie Jackson, Marcus Moore, Sr., they hit some big shot. So would they type? Yeah, probably. Is it extremely difficult to close out a series? Yes. and they were at home. So the expectation was you're at home and now you should win this game. I think we'll see a looser team Phoenix when they're on the road in L.A. and maybe a little more tightness from the clippers because those roles are a little reversed. By the way, going back to that Pippin book, he calls Michael Jordan selfish. And to that, I would say, I mean, to be a pro athlete.

Yeah. I mean, he was. But it's like, I mean, even in your career, Jim, to become an NBA player, A lot of NBA guys come from small towns. At some point, you're identified as a great talent, 14, 13, 12. And at that point, people move around you and kind of groove you often for a path because you're seen as an elite talent. I said it intellectually.

It's Stanford. Elon Musk is there. And people are like, oh, he's smarter than even Stanford people. And all of a sudden, you start getting a support group that says this guy is completely different. And so I guess my point is, Michael was selfish. but people identified like his first year at Carolina when he walked on. Oh, my God, he's almost as good as James Worthy.

He was a college All-American. He's 18. So I give Michael a pass for selfish. Do you? Well, I do, because that was his DNA. And you knew what you were dealing with when you were dealing with Michael Jordan. Selfish from the perspective that he wanted to win at all costs, and you needed to play up to my level, a lot like Kobe.

Okay? LeBron is selfish in some aspects, but he's more unsexualed. selfish team oriented. So a lot of that selfishness gets covered up because of that. Because he's such a great teammate because he's so inclusive. But LeBron has his own selfish tendencies. And to be great, you got to have it. Collin, your show, when you left Fox, I mean, ESPN to come to Fox, you have probably more creative control, what you wanted. I said selfishness from some aspect. Because you want the show to be the best that it can be. You're open to listening to ideas and having input, but at the end of the day, it's your name on the show. And you want to make sure that the product

is consistent, concise every time, and it's no different when you're an athlete. You want to ensure that every time you're on the court, on the field, on the diamond, whatever it may be, on the ice, that you have control of your narrative and trying to win the basketball game. But it's that thin line, Colin, that we always have of not allowing that selfishness to take away from, especially in a team game, not an individual game, to take away from the overall goal, which is to win and win big. I like when you include me and Michael Jordan in the same. Hey, look, you both smoke cigars, right?

Did you what I'm saying? Yeah, I guess. I guess we have that in common. Good seeing you, Jim Jackson and Fox Sports. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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That's the deal. You know, just because you have a lead in the series doesn't mean you can show up in going to give it to. You know, we have to understand that. And I think we do not. We will be better when we show up the next time we play. Didn't your butt tick like that should turn it on. Clippers were very good early, very, very good early. And to that point is when you're desperate and you play with that intensity, Phoenix did not match their intensity for about six minutes. Yeah, so Tim just said, like it's actually harder to close out because if your team is playing with complete desperation, you're playing for your playoff life, you're naturally going to

have a little more edge and focus than if you know, you know, it's human nature. You know, you got a little cushion. Like, we can play our best game or we can kind of, especially if you're a team that hasn't been there before, you haven't experienced this level of intensity before and especially coming in your direction. These are young guys. So, yes, would it be better to just close out the clippers and be done with it and not risk possibly losing the series if you fumble a few more times? Of course. But that's a, that's a, that's a veteran thing to go, we're going to go in here and, I think Giannis said it earlier. We're not going to play with our food. I think he was referring to the heat.

But yes, like you can't let good teams hang around. This is what will happen. Foxbet has a son's favored by one in game six. Who sons are favored by one? Sons are favored by one. I expect them to play with a lot more intensity, but... That will be the best NBA game of the year. Yeah. That will be the most intense NBA game of the year. Yeah. So Tim Tebow is facing an uphill battle trying to make the NFL as a end. Eric Mangini came on our show yesterday and gave his thoughts on Tebow's chance on making the final roster. This looks like one of those situations where he had a guy that he cared about.

He liked a lot and he wanted to give him an opportunity. But as he comes in, he looks at him and realizes not just age, but transitioning to a different position and the other skill guys that he has available, it's just not going to work. Maybe he just wants the presence in the locker room. and again, that becomes like a practice squad type role, coach in the locker room type thing. But yeah, it's too late to make this transition, and there's just not enough there to make it work. Well, he's not athletic enough to be like a receiving tight end,

like you can depend on. So he has to be a blocking tight end, which he's physically big enough. But if you can leave the NFL for eight years as a former quarterback and come in and succeed as a blocking tight end, then, you know, Tibo's a hall. of famer because blocking tight ends is just grunt work and most of them are gronk is the only one that blocked as well as he caught. It just doesn't happen. You're usually one of the other.

You know, I'm curious to have a real authentic conversation with some of the top tight ends in the league. Oh, they roll the eyes. How they really truly feel about this even being a story. Because, I mean, listen, we're in an egotistical business as well. People come up all. all the time giving you their hot takes on sports. People ask me all the time if I even like sports and like swear they could do my job every day of the week, right? And it's a little insulting because it's like, well, I only work for this, my whole adult life.

Like I've only put in hours interning and producing and working weekends and freelancing. Like, it's only like my passion for the last 15 years. But sure, like, I mean, you could walk in and do my job. And I feel like it's probably a little insulting to some of these guys who are like, do you know how hard it is to do this? Like, it's, I worked for this. Yeah, I think a great tight end looks at Tebow, like I look at bloggers.

We can be in the same room, just bow when I walk in. Is that? I do not feel that way. But no, it's not so much that. It's not so much other people who are in the business. It's like somebody who just thinks they could just walk in and do what you do. It does feel like, I wonder how they truly feel about it, because it's like you're getting an opportunity.

you probably don't deserve. Now it's your point. If you can go in and do it, all along. Like, you get the credit for it, but I wonder if we got some truth serum, I would really go.

Well, I mean, it's a scooter sports.com. Yeah, I know he thinks he's me, but it's just, I'm sorry. I'm Travis Kelsey and your scooter sports.

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Credit card end to your first year. Discover matches it automatically to go to discover.com slash yes. By the way, an egregious mistake by me. I called Robin Quivers, Howard Stearns. I called Robin Givens. No, Robin Quivers, Robin Givens, the actress. So the greatest Robin of all time is Robin Quivers. Quivers.

Howard Stern's partner who's had a great career, the ultimate number two that elevates the one, star on her own behalf, an egregious slight by me. So we were talking about the number two's, and I was, Joy and I were talking, just because you're a robin, you don't always have to be one. Like the greatest robin of all time, meaning the greatest number two is Kobe Bryant. So during the Shaq Kobe dynasty, Kobe was the number two. It was young Kobe. So he's the greatest Robin ever for a brief time. Last 10, 12 years, he was a Batman. But for those, that dynasty, because Gasol and Kobe was not a dynasty, they were just really good.

Shaq Kobe felt like a dynasty. The second best is Jerry Rice, who's the best receiver ever, 13-time Pro Bowler, but it was Montana's team. So Jerry Rice is the second best Robin of all time. Mark Messier, a 15-time hockey all-star, and the only player ever in hockey history to captain multiple teams to a Stanley Cup championship is the third best Robin of all time. Went to New York, again, like Kobe, segued out, pivoted out of Robin to Batman and was still great. Number four we said is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. The Showtime Lakers are viewed as Magic's teams. Karim's the leading score in NBA history and a 19-time All-Star the most in the history of the world.

Bill Belichick's number five. I know it's strange, but we now feel Brady, who got a Super Bowl first year without Belichick, is greater than Belichick who got fired in Cleveland and couldn't win in New England before Brady. Number six would be Dwayne Wade. Now, he's been the Batman on many Miami teams, but on their best teams with Shaq and LaBelle. on, he then moved smartly to the number two chair. Number seven is Lou Gehrig, did not see him play, but he's the first player in the history of baseball to have his number for a retired by a team, first player ever.

So that's something. And he was an MVP at the same time he played with Babe Ruth. Number eight, John Stockton, top five point guard of all time. But Carl Malone was the finisher. He was the bigger, stronger finisher. He was the go-to score. number nine, gronk. He and Brady have hooked up for more postseason touchdowns than any combination ever.

Also one of the great blocking tight ends. And number 10, Scottie Pippin. And I think that that feels, that's the best Robin list ever. And we wouldn't be talking about this if Scotty wasn't. Scotty has a book out. Saying what he's saying. And Scotty was very critical of Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson. And I don't think everything he said is wrong on Michael.

Michael. Michael could be selfish, but Joe and I have said when you're the best blank at something in the world, you're going to do what you want in your clock. Yeah, I mean, certain things that would be a criticism for someone who is not as talented and not a number one aren't really a criticism. I don't know how you become the greatest of all time at anything without being selfish. Yeah, Peyton Manning probably, Russell Wilson probably had to be selfish a few times. That's how you, you know, I tell you. Russell had to say, I'm going to play other teams if you don't get me what I want. probably selfish, but he got what he wanted. Yeah. Sometimes you got to, you know, scratch a little and make people uncomfortable,

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