The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 07/08/2021 - HOUR 1 - Chris Paul, Eagles, playoffs

Episode Date: July 8, 2021

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Man. So good. So, so good to be with you here on a Thursday, NBA Finals game two tonight. Of course, Colin will be back and reacting to it. In the meantime, though, I was thinking, Have you gotten this? Apparently the iPhone, is it, did they skip over 13? Is that what they did?

Because 13 is somehow an unlucky number. There's a new iPhone coming out in the fall, right? And if you have any of the older versions of the iPhone, you're like, wow, that's too good to be true. I trade this thing into whatever my carrier is. And I actually might save money. How does that work? It doesn't actually work that way, but that's okay. You get the new equipment.

Newer's bigger, better. Okay, now we have another camera. Only this one does your laundry and your taxes. I have the 10, so it's the X, S or whatever. I have the big, the, the X, X, X, Max, right? I have the bigger one. Not because my, I'm blind.

honestly here's my working philosophy with why I've always gotten the bigger phone. I don't lose it. Like when we had smaller iPhones, right? When you had that little small size iPhone, it feels a little bit like your wallet. Or now I carry one of those kind of fake money clip things. It's like a money clip, but credit card holders, they're roughly the same size as the smaller, older iPhones. Right? So for me, I would get confused between the two.

Because now when you leave the house, you're like, I got my keys. I got my wallet, my phone. Good. But sometimes when the wallet and the phone feel exactly the same, you get a little confused. These are, this is actually how my brain works. And so once I went to the bigger phone, it's like going to a big screen. Remember the first time you got a big screen TV? Like, I'm never going back to a smaller TV.

When I was a kid, and when you were all kids, Southern California, the only time you ever saw a big screen TV was somebody was rich, okay, or you went to Shakey's Pizza after a football or soccer or baseball game, and you watch somebody was like, let's watch the game. And the kids are like, yeah, can I just have money for the arcade? Anyway, and it had those three lights. I don't know how the three lights exactly worked that were in front. You remember, okay.

So my first hour of broadcasting was 2001. 2002 or 2000 yeah 2000 well 2002 2003 I did games and then I went back and played in France and anyway I was hanging out at my house and I remember thinking I got to get a big screen TV and I got one of those rolling Mitsubishi big screen TVs and I was like I'm never going back and then over the next couple years you started to get into the HD TV and once you go to HD TV you're never going back right now everybody has a flat screen on the wall and you're like The idea, ever show a kid like an old Sony watchman from when we were kids? They're like, you watched games on this?

Like, yeah, it was the best you could do if you're on the, if you're at a sporting event, your dad would be watching the football game on this deal. Now, of course, you can watch things on your phone. So I was thinking about Chris Paul. Chris Paul over the last two games, this includes game six versus the Clippers, game one versus the Bucks, and he has been otherworldly. 36 and a half points, 65% field goal percentage, 73% three point percentage.

I mean, he basically said like, hey, fellas, get him a back, we're going to a championship. And what inevitably follows is, what are you going to do next if he follows through and wins a championship? Chris Paul is in his, I always say everything's mid-30s. That's what I did when I was in my late 30s, right? where you're like, hey, as long as you're not, as long as you're, he's 36 years old, he just turned 36 in May.

And if you watch him play, like, dude, that guy can play 10 more years like this. I've heard people say, well, at this pace, three more years, this, no problem. Keep in mind that Chris Paul hasn't played a lot of basketball here down the stretch. Like, what do you mean? well, he actually missed two of the games against the Clippers because of COVID protocols. Remember, if you go back to the Lakers series, he had that bizarre kind of pinched nerve shoulder sort of deal. I mean, this is just the reality is he played four games against the Nuggets. he played six games against the Lakers,

but he was limited in terms of his production early on in that series. But if you look back, Chris Paul has only played five basketball games since the 13th of June, five. So we're essentially in a month, he's played five NBA games because of the time off, because of the COVID protocols. Five.

So he's fresh, he's rested, he's the best version of himself, and the way in which both of the last two teams guarded him was, hey, let's switch and make Chris Paul beat us. And you know what he did? He beat him. So first, I want you to understand, Doug Gottliebind for Colin, this is The Hurd on Fox Sports Radio, the IHeart Radio app.

I want you to first understand, and the good thing about having Ryan music produced now Colin show and he used to produce my show, is he can, I'm sure, find the tape somewhere where I said, unequivocally, Chris Paul is my, like,

favorite point God. Like, if I could have played like one person, it would be like Chris Paul. Like, that's the type of player that I imagine myself ultimately being. I was not. That's why I did not make the NBA, fully well aware of my flaws as a player,

as well as a person. But I love the way the guy plays. And I understand. understand the tenacity, the, you know, the way in which, I mean, if you're going to be six feet tall, playing the NBA, you're going to have to be so tough. Some dudes are just not going to like you and some guys are going to want to fight you. It happened with Isaiah Thomas, happened with John Stockton, happens with all these guys. The really, really good ones, they're tougher than a $2 steak. They're just because they have to bite a scratch,

claw for everything at the defensive end because they're at a size disparity. But, but Chris Paul and the idea that the Sons, here's what they're faced with in the upcoming off season. Got to re-up him. And the price tag is somewhere in the three years, $100 million variety, which anyone who's watched the last two games or watched the playoffs or heard the quotes from all of these sons players. Man, the greatest leader I've ever seen.

This is unbelievable. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We got to just give them all the money. Chris Paul is an old version of the iPhone. works perfectly well. There are some things that you can do on the old iPhone, which are better than the new iPhone. It's right, it's like, like Chris Paul has an unbelievable mid-range game,

especially when he gets the ball to his right hand. Like he gets that mid-range 15-foot kind of pull up, fading. It doesn't matter. As long as he's going right, bucket. Sedale 3 liked to go left. Chris Paul likes to go right. It's a bucket.

And you're convincing yourself, a lot like the iPhone, right? Like Laker fans are sitting there going, man, we had him. That trade would have gone through. Kobe would have won five titles instead of two more titles. And this would have been completely different. And his career trajectory had been different. If I had this iPhone back when I had that flip phone, you know, like I remember when I was at ESPN and they had the ESPN and the phone. Had ESPN the phone been on the iPhone like a couple years later, it would still be around.

But everyone's trying to convince you that, you know, Chris, Chris Paul, the iPhone, this old classic iPhone still works. It's still good. You don't need another camera. The button's still cool. But what inevitably happens? Yes, at some point, Apple's going to slow your ability to download stuff. At some point, you're going to stop getting updates.

Anybody had one of these really old phones or been friends with one of these guys? Like, oh, I call this Betsy. I'm never leaving Betsy. Betsy's my girl. And then all of a sudden Betsy shuts down on you. Do you guys remember what happened at the end of Jason Kids' career? He was playing with the New York Knicks. He was having

a relatively good season. They got to the NBA playoffs and he could not make a layup. So we do this like snapshot of now and be like, look at Chris Paul now. Like look he's only played five games into last month. Of course he's fresher and better down the stretch

than the Milwaukee Bucks that had to play without Janice had to go seven games and overtime in game seven against the Nets. Then they had to survive through, was it five? Was it six games? Six games with the Hawks, right? Then turn around and go on the road to Phoenix. Meanwhile, he's popping in fresh as a daisy.

Like, hey, what's going on? Of course. We have 15 years of data that says that Chris Paul is more likely to break down this time of this time of year than he is to be what we've seen over the past couple of games. I don't know if it's next year or in two years. Or in year three. Maybe you get to year three. You're like, look, we got two years of sunk costs.

We're good. Year three. At some point, that iPhone becomes obsolete. And while we celebrate and embrace the fact that a guy who has been a great player for a long time, we have to have the balance of saying, like, kind of think they would have lost the Lakers. I'm not sure. The Nuggets lost. Jamal Murray was the best player in the bubble going back to last year.

I mean, that's 25 to 30 points a game. That series would have been different. different. And the Clippers didn't have Kauai Leonard, then didn't have Zubotcher, didn't have Serge Baca. I don't know what that one looks like. So, like, we can appreciate this run, appreciate all that he's done. But the idea of three more years with that same old iPhone, at a rate commensurate with production of the past, that is a dangerous gamble. And anyone who's had one of those old iPhones and then all of a sudden they just stopped working. You ever had that?

Just stop working. And then you bring it in, you're like, they're like, what's wrong with it? Like, doesn't work. Like, what do you mean? Doesn't work. You plug it in and go, sir, this is not charging. I told you it doesn't work. That's how this thing ends.

And the reason that these championship runs don't become runs. Like, look, what's the classic tale of what happened with the Lakers? it's not just that Anthony Davis got hurt. And they did try and make moves because they knew Rondo was over the hill and that playoff Rondo thing was kind of flashing the pan deal. But resigning contavius Caldwell Pope to a massive contract when he played above his level, go back and look at Cleveland. Why did the Cleveland thing fall apart?

Tristan Thompson, big money, J.R. Smith, big money. This is what we do. We overreact to what happens in the biggest of moment. and we think we have to reward those guys. All right, coming up next, can the bucks turn it around tonight? Mike Boonehouser is not known for his in-game or even between-game adjustments,

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Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app. I'll be having a great day. Eddie House won an NBA championship. It's kind enough to join us here on Fox Sports Radio. Eddie, how much do you think it helped CP3? You realize that was only his fifth game in almost a month, right? A fifth game in almost a month. as opposed to Milwaukee

comes in a little bit battered and tired. How much of that do you think helped Chris Paul dominate that game in the second half? Well, I don't want to blame too much on the fact that he had that opportunity or give him too much credit for the fact

that he didn't play the same amount of games as guy. I think CP3 is the all-time great at his position. So given the extra rest, though he wasn't healthy because he was, you know, under COVID protocol. The way I looked at it was he just basically did whatever he wanted to do out on the court.

So, you know, being a savvy vet, being an all-time grade at his position, I think that Milwaukee just, you know, played into his hands, you know, that they switched. When they switched, there was a big on him. So he was manipulating his matchup that he wanted. So he was getting the matchups he wanted versus big. being able to get to his spot. Then when they said, okay, we're not going to switch. We're going to make the guard fight over, but we're going to play soft.

We're going to play that drop, which is basically like having nobody there at all. So he comes off, clear cut, move to the basket, take a shot with no contest, no resistance. I think that it goes to show that his basketball IQ understanding exactly how Milwaukee has been playing throughout this whole playoffs, just knew that, hey, if they should, Show me these looks. This is where I'm going to be able to get my shot. Okay, so I put you in Mike Boodenholzer's coach's locker room. We're like, Eddie, you played in this thing, you won a championship, you've seen all the defenses, you know all the coverages.

What do you do? What's your plan game two in terms of how to change and disrupt Phoenix's rhythm? Well, I'm going to instantly, I'm going to be aggressive on Chris Paul. Because as Chris Paul goes, I think that's how to something. ago. And we've seen it. You know, when Chris Ball has these big, big games, they win big. When he's kind of been, you know, held, I won't say in check, but, but just kind of held to do what he normally does on an average of his career, you know, those are close games. You have opportunities to win those basketball games. But I would be aggressive. I will come out aggressive on him.

And he's probably expecting that. But I would show him different looks. I would not give him the same look over and over and over and over and over again. It's almost like giving up Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady the same look every single time. They're going to pick you apart, you know. And so to me, I think you got to start off aggressively trapping and then, you know, change it up without there. You know, you have different calls out there. I'll start off with an aggressive trap, getting the ball out of his hands, not let him

get comfortable at all. Have him play on his heels and then switch it up on it. Hard show, guards, you must fight over and get over the top. of the screen and get back in front of him. But I would not play that drop. And if I was going to switch, it would definitely not be with anybody that has size to where it's a mismatch for Chris Paul.

I would try to keep Drew Holiday on him as much as possible. That size and quickness that can kind of disrupt him and can get to the spots that he's trying to get to and contest the shots. And on the flip side of that, Doug, what I would do offensively, I would try to get Janus in spots closer to the basket where he doesn't have to wind up,

where he doesn't have to take two, three dribbles to get to the basket, where it's maybe one or two quick dribbles and he's there. You know, some pick to picker type things, cross-screen down pick with him in Middleton, where if they want to switch that cross-screen, and now Yannis has a smaller guy on it, and he could go to work. Then there's a pin down where at the end of the day,

you got Middleton coming up. I mean, it sounds, you know, old-school, you know, elementary-type basketball, but basketball is a simple game. if you keep it simple. Most of the time, things do work, and you just have to break it down sometimes to the old fundamentals. What if I told you, though, that that's not how they play, right?

That's like the big thing is that's just not how they play, right? We've played one way the whole year. Now you want us to play it because, and tell me if I'm wrong. Like, I'm, I'll lie to you if I said I've watched more than five Milwaukee games the entire season. I've watched a ton of highlights. But it feels like they play off, give Janus the ball. He goes one-on-one. help comes, he tries to find the guy, or he goes one way, spins the other, is playing out of

the post or playing out of the midpost how they play? Well, I'll tell you this. If you are stuck on playing one way of basketball, then you're stuck on not winning a championship. Right now, you've got to throw everything to the fire. You know, you've got to make sure that you throw the kitchen sink at anybody that you're playing. You can't sit here and say, hey, this is how we're playing. I'm stuck on the way that we're playing. well, hey, sometimes the way that we're playing, we have to make adjustments.

And as professional athletes, as a professional coach, that comes with the territory, you must make those changes. If you want to stay stubborn and keep trying to run through a brick wall to cost yourself a chance to win a championship because you weren't willing to make any adjustments on how you guys played all season. That's not saying don't play the way you played all season. Just just saying at times we might have to do these things right here, guys. But when we get into the open court and we're random and we're just playing and free-flowing,

hey, play how we play it. But if we have to come down and it's a set, maybe this hasn't what we've been doing all year. But I expect you guys because you guys are professionals to be able to get it done. Doug Otley, been for calling this to the herd, Eddie House, NBA champion, NBA analyst, joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on the IHeart Radio app. Okay, let's say Let's say the sons win this thing Let's just say look and I believe

Are you with me that I think this is going to be With Janice looking like he's healthy I think this is going to be a pretty long Pretty competitive series Do you agree with that premise or do you think it's Phoenix in a walk? No, I agree with that. I agree it should be a six or seven game series

Without a doubt. Okay. When you go six to seven games, it could go either way. Correct. Completely agree with you. Okay. But let's just say, Phoenix has reached heights that they haven't reached in years. Chris Paul is rightfully receiving some of the respect that he deserves, not just on his play,

but his leadership. The young guys love what he's doing. But then you have the question of like, well, how much do you pay him? How much do you pay him? And I mentioned how little he's played. We mentioned the fact that the reality is everybody in the West is banged up and hurt. And they had a very fortunate run with the exception. of Chris Paul with the shoulder and then with COVID,

and now Dario Sarich being hurt. With those exceptions, like they've been the healthiest team in the West, do you do three more years at $100 million? Like knowing that the production probably is not going to be the same. I think that's something that you have to take a hard look at. For myself, I would have to sit down.

If I was in James Jones' situation in his shoes, I would sit down with Christmas to say, Hey, man, listen, phenomenal year. We will pay you. I don't know if I'm going to give you three years. I can give you two years, but we got to max out, DeAndre Aten. We got to get him taking care of first. And then we come in here, let's work something out to where it's a fair pay for you, not anything that, I mean, because we know, and ain't nobody pocket watching or count anybody money.

But Chris has made abundance of money. He has done well for himself. He still has a lot left, you know. He has some left in his tank. But also to say, hey, how do we get better? Here, this is a deal that I could give you that is fair, that's going to be, you're still getting paid a lot of money. But at the same time, we're able to save some money to bring on other guys to sure up some spots, maybe where we felt like even though we are good and we, you know, if they move on to win a championship,

we won a championship. But there are places where we can sure up a little bit and we could be a little better in some positions. I think that's the approach that I've. would take if I was in James Jones. James Jones has an awesome job since he's gotten there. He seems to make all the right moves. I mean, that is, that, that's something that I think we can all agree on in terms of understanding what the team needed, right?

The Jay Crowder, obviously you made the right choice at head coach. And the thing has just kind of all blended together some. Okay, so that leads me to here we are 11 years after. I don't know if you knew this. This is the 11th anniversary of the decision. 11th anniversary. And obviously that one was LeBron in his prime, Bosch in his prime, Dwayne Wade still in his prime.

But what we're seeing around the league is a lot of these guys now they're getting together. They're in their 30s and we're seeing guys bodies break down. And then the supporting cast you can put together, those are all guys in the buyout market that are in their 30s or mid to late 30s and their bodies don't hold up or they're. they're DeAndre Jordan and they're just washed. They're not as good anymore. Is Chris Paul, and I know he didn't necessarily choose,

the sons weren't necessarily his first choice or whatever, but the Chris Paul putting him with a young team that didn't know how to win, should that be the next trend for some of these star players instead of, hey, let's get a bunch of old stars together and see if that thing still works. Well, I will say this. I don't think that Chris Paul showed Phoenix how to win, if you look at what they did last year in the bubble, they went 8 and 0.

So they had a belief. I did think that they needed. at that position. We can all agree that he is head and shoulders, I mean, light years away from Ricky Rubio, you know. And so when you pair that, I think what the new trend might be, you know it's a copycat league everywhere.

Every league is a copycat league. Whoever wins it, everybody's trying to do that. That's the way that they're following. I look at what Phoenix Sons have done and they did it in a traditional way. They went through draft. They went through free agency and, you know, made some moves here and there to share up their bench. But look at what they do have.

They have an outstanding point guard. They have a shooting guard that score shooting guard. Then they have a big man that's down there that is reliable, that has hands that can finish at the rim, that can run the floor, that can change shots at the rim, block shots at the rim. So they have those three components. And then they have a plethora of wing players that are really good defenders. They doing it the old school style. They have a good backup point guard that could come in and give you spurs. Not somebody that's going to be able to carry your team.

for a whole season, but he can give you spurts here and there to win games like campaigned in game two of the Western Conference Finals. So I look at the way that this team has been constructed. It's been constructed in the old school way. It is put together how basketball teams are put together. And they're playing like a team. It's not a super team. So it's still out there. I think that people are going to start looking at it like, hey, well, we don't have to just go spend all our money on three guys and then hope that the rest of the team, if somebody doesn't get hurt.

can just, you know, pick up the slack. We could actually build something around three stars the way that it always has been built. Eddie, great stuff, man. Looking forward to tonight's game and look forward to hearing what you have to say about it, but I love the idea of changing coverages and giving them different looks. We'll see if Milwaukee adjusts what those adjustments look like. It's always kind of fascinating to watch to guys whoop heads like me and you. Thanks for joining us.

No problem, man. Thanks for having you, Doug. That's the one and only Eddie House join us. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Good morning, good day, good afternoon, Doug.

How we doing? I'm good. All good, brother. Always good to have Eddie House on the show as well. We're going to go from all that NBA talk, get into a little bit of NFL talk here, Doug. 2018 NFL draft gave us some of the top young quarterbacks we're seen in the game right now. Of course, that includes number one overall pick, Baker. Mayfield, him leading to the Browns in the postseason last year, former MVP Lamar Jackson,

and Josh Allen, who are now all eligible for big contract extensions. As for Allen, his head coach Sean McDermott said this about Allen's contract situation, quote, I firmly believe this will work itself out. Where are you at with, we'll start with Josh Allen and the fact that coming off the great season that he had due for a big, big payday sometime in the near future. Well, remember, there's three quarterbacks, and they're all kind of in a similar boat, right? Oh, by the way, let's not forget the fourth quarterback and all of that would be Josh Rosen, but I think we all know where he's at right now.

Or more accurately, maybe nobody quite knows where he's at right now. So here's the, so you got Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen. And Lamar, obviously, I think, has the most jaw drop. plays. He is the most unique. And they've been the most successful in the regular season. And I'm not going to disparage Lamar because he actually won a road playoff game in which they came from behind, things that people said he could not do.

My issue with Lamar has always been that style of play, which he hasn't run less. Like he's still running the football a ton. Almost always those guys get hurt. And there are limitations. with what he can do throwing the football in terms of accuracy that it's better, but it's still not to the elite level. But here's the biggest thing with Lamar especially. He's had a Super Bowl caliber defense for the past three years.

If the quarterback makes $40 million, something has to give. We've seen that throughout the landscape of the sport. I know that right now Kansas City is like, hey, look, we're able to do it. That's a huge long-term contract. But it's a hard one with Lamar because you don't know what he looks like if the athleticism wanes. You don't know what the team looks like

if he's making 40 and now we have to cut some corners with because the whole thing works together now, right? Great defense. They shorten the game, running the football. You know, he's got some big play potential. He hits these tight ends. Like all that stuff kind of works together. When it gets off course,

it's not always the greatest in the world. What happens when something has to give financially? With Josh, he obviously has improved steadily and from year two to year three, there was a massive jump. The question is, is there another step or is this kind of as, because it wasn't perfect. And you did add Stefan Diggs, who can make any quarterback, Kirk Cousins included, look like a star quarterback.

The challenge is going to be how you manage this thing. Because, look, what we're missing is, in this exact same offseason, Carson Wentz's massive deal. Was that a good one or bad one for Philadelphia? Terrible. Right. Jared Gough. Huge contract, second contract, former number one overall pick.

Good deal or a bad deal for the Rams? Terrible. Even Deshawn Watson, who everybody regards as a top 10 quarterback, that deal looks terrible for the franchise because now, what are they supposed to do? So I would just, you've got to be cautious here. And I would, for Lamar, I try and front load it because I'm very cautious of what happens long term. Shorter term, maybe more money. For Josh Allen, I don't mind.

longer term because he's more, though he can really run, you know, you're hoping for improvement. But again, like, do I really think he's Aaron Rogers? He's Tom Brady. He's Russell Wilson. Like, those guys are so much more accurate than he is. I go longer term and see if I can get less money. Baker Mayfield's going to be one of those, like, look, truth is, like, he's kind of, he's a good, solid leader, middle of the road quarterback.

I either offer middle of the road quarterback. long trunny or I allow him to somebody should be allowed to play the market. Go ahead. Be a free agent. See if somebody's going to pay you 40 on the, do you think Minnesota's really happy with this deal? I don't, and that's the only guy who played the market. So I think that's the path for all three. Sorry, that was a long win at answer. Hey, listen, your host's in the show, you could have taken another three minutes if you

wanted to. I don't really care. I think it's a fast, it's going to be a fascinated look. No, totally. I completely agree. You know, the interesting thing is when you do compare like a Lamar Jackson and a Josh Allen is Lamar obviously made that huge, huge leap from taking over partway through the season as a rookie to then winning the MVP. One of the biggest questions they had about his game or people have had about his game is his accuracy, which he does still struggle with at times. But it took a huge leap in accuracy going up like 12 points almost. Yes.

From that rookie season to his second year. And then it came back a little bit. bit more towards the lower end of 60% this year. And Josh Allen, it'll be interesting to see what happens this next season because similarly, always struggled with accuracy. And he took an even bigger leap going from about 58% all the way up to almost 70%. And 70% that's like Drew Bree's status. So it's like if to your point, it's hard to envision is Josh Allen really going to be this dynamic runner, huge size, big arm, and that accurate, I feel like that number is going to come back towards the median

and probably closer to like a 65%. I agree with you. Again, that takes patience, and I think all three of these teams, they look around, like the story with the Jared Goughlin was, it wasn't just a bad contract, but they did it a year before they had to. Right?

The story with the DAC Prescott is it wasn't, it's not just a gigantic contract, They felt like they did it a year afterwards. And then they acquiesce to everything. And he can be a free agent here in what four years or something like that. So, you know, look, here's the mistake I think Dallas made is, you know, if a guy wants to go on the market and find his value, he can. It doesn't mean that he can't and won't negotiate with you.

Right. You can give him an offer and say, hey, look, man, here's your offer. Go out professional sports for the most part. We'll wrap it up with it. Do it that way in professional sports for the most part. We'll wrap it up with... Do it that way in professional sports for the most part. We'll wrap it up with this, Doug.

A little bit of hockey. I know, whoa. But hey, we're going to tie it back into NFL. Okay. We know Tom Brady is a winner, right? Obviously, seven Super Bowls, blah, blah, blah, blah. But is winning contagious, Doug, we're starting to see a trend. So last night, Tampa Bay Lightning,

won their second of a back-to-back in the Stanley Cup. Second straight, yeah. Second straight, which now means that Tampa Bay is looking like the championship center of the sports world after the Tampa Bay Buccaneers also won a Super Bowl. So going to give credit to at the Sammer Ali on Twitter. This is going viral a little bit. He tracked Brady's entire life to where he was living and does winning follow him just by Tom Brady simply being there.

So when he was born in the Bay Area, San Francisco, there was six Super Bowls, five by the 49ers, won by the Raiders, one World Series for the Oakland Athletics. Over the San Francisco Giants, by the way. Okay, so that's another World Series appearance. So then in the Ann Arbor, Detroit area, when he was in college, the Red Wings had four appearances in the Cup final, winning three of them. And then Michigan won a national championship while Brady was there as a backup. Then while in Boston, obviously we know everything that he did with the Patriots. The Celtics went to the finals twice, won a title. Four World Series wins for the Red Sox, three finals, Stanley Cup final appearances for the Bruins, winning one cup, and then what he's done in Tampa Bay.

Is winning contagious? Does winning follow Tom Brady no matter where he goes, regardless of the sport? Oh, and by the way, if you want to throw them in there, I know it's not technically the same, but you could also say that Miami Heat were in the NBA finals last season. Yeah, I'm not going to go with no. really yeah you're not a believer Doug no you know what that makes you that then makes you a hater you're a tom Brady hater yeah you're you're your Tom Brady hater uh

he also he didn't win the match didn't win the match well but it was played outside of Tampa Bay ah I got it I get it um well I mean like look you had LA in the 80s you had the Olympics and we dominated the 84 Olympics

granted the the Soviet Union and the Eastern Block did not come but we had the Dodgers, the Lakers, the Raiders when the Super Bowl was at 85, right, with the Marcus Allen run. SC was relevant. UCLA basketball didn't win a championship until 95. So, I mean, was it Magic Johnson?

Was it contagious? Like, yeah, I'm going to go with the, though the timing all lines up, it's more just curious timing than it is winning truly follows in. That's Ryan Music with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. This did not reach the news, which is interesting to me.

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I like Olympic basketball. I think those games will be very, very competitive. And I found it interesting. The questioning of some people's selections when all they had to do is pick up the phone and ask somebody at USA basketball, why certain guys got picked. One of the reasons that guys got picked is they wanted to go.

And like, what do you mean they wanted to go? Well, first, like, look at your summer. You do have time to yourself. It's been a, if you played in the bubble, you only had like a month off and then you played another season. And oh yeah, by the way, during that season, there were all those health and safety protocols. And if you're going to go to the Olympics,

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And I get that because of the vaccine, now we can have the games, whereas this time last year there was so much unknown, we could not have the games, but still to have the game, like do you do the Olympic, do you do the opening ceremonies? I guess you do, but do you have to?

Like, do you bring them up and you have all like partitions? Are they, like, what does that exactly look like? It really a TV only event, which obviously great for, for all the, for NBC who has, you know, all the different coverage of it. But that's going to be, there's been a lot of sporting events. And I would generally say that sporting events, the Olympics, the crowds aren't usually involved with exception on some level of the big events in track and field.

I think swimming, you know, the chance come and there is some, but it's not really a crowd event. It's not, crowd doesn't affect it. But to not have your contingent in the stands with holding up your flags going crazy and it to be relatively silent is just, it's just, like, again, it does feel like we're dialing it back to the last summer sort of era. I don't know. I've never been a big, I haven't been a big Olympics guy for a long time. I mean, I enjoyed, I watched them in 84, you know, but I just. I struggle sometimes to get it, like now I'm supposed to get into a sport because we don't have the inherent rival that we used to have as kids, right?

Like, you grew up in the 80s, which I did. Soviet Union was our rival, right? We didn't like them. They don't like us and Rocky 4, Red Dawn, like all these different things. Wolverines! Now it's like, okay, I'm supposed to, I love the people that compete for our country, but like, who's our rival? who's our rival? Music, are you a big Olympics guy?

Do you enjoy the Olympics? As much now, by the way, they have a skateboarding at the Olympics. I think we should do well. I think Southern California where I grew up, they should represent. I don't even know who's in it. Are you a big Olympics guy? I can't hear your music.

It's okay. Having some audio difficulties. Yeah, no, it's, it is a, when you have no fans at the Olympics, And this is, again, this is a little bit like what the NBA kind of ran into, but now with so much of our country opening up, it's the juxtaposition of what's happening here and what's happening there could not be more in terms of polar opposites. It's alarming. Is it a sign of things to come with this delta variant? Or is it just very different because culture, space between one another is extremely limited?

their vaccine rollout hasn't been as good or as seamless as ours. It was very, very difficult to tell. I love the Olympic basketball. I would say, you know, we all get it. Swimming is genius, right? Swimming is, one, we're good at it, and two, they put it on early in the games. So it kind of hooks us into those swimmers. Whereas I think if swimming was later in the games or we weren't as good at it,

maybe we wouldn't be as interested in it. Not really sure. but I feel like swimming, they get the, because we get, women's like a month long. You get worn down by like, another,

like I don't even remember who, who am I watching? But swimming gets it because it's usually the first on and that captures our attention, captures our imagination, and makes bigger personalities out of those athletes.

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