The Herd with Colin Cowherd - 07/12/2021 - HOUR 2 - NBA, Game 3

Episode Date: July 12, 2021

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Still worth it. Joy Taylor, how are you doing this afternoon for me, morning for you? Look lovely. A long weekend. You and, I mean, what do you? Between the four people you were with, it's like 13 Emmys, a lot of magazine covers, a lot of stuff going on between you and the media cabal you were with. Nice weekend back at work.

Well, you know, you are who you surround yourself with. so try to keep a tight crew. That's why Danielle and I are so close. I had a great weekend. Daniel's my wife. It's yes. It seems you had a little more activity this weekend than I did. We don't need to get into that. We are we might get into it. I we might get into it. Okay. Yeah, I had a I had an up and down weekend with my wife. I On Friday night, I got to pick the dinner spot. So we went to what I think is one of the most underrated great restaurant chains in America, the Outback Steakhouse.

She disagreed. So on Saturday night, she picked the busiest sushi restaurant in America. We went there. And that was great, though. And then it just went downhill. Then it just went downhill because literally downhill in my car, but we don't have to get into that. People are here for sports.

They're here for the fact that my Sharpie matches your blouse and for our sports takes. That's it. So let's dive right into the sports takes. And the history... Listen, I'm a nerd for history. Joy's been to my home in New York and I am doing the show right now

for my home in New York. And I am surrounded by bookshelves that are almost entirely history books. Like basically, mostly United States history starting around 1865, 1855, until about 1968. You got probably 80 books on that. And then I have said that I am going to write a book myself about the last 50 years of the NBA.

Now, I've been saying that for quite some time, and now the NBA is probably about to come out with a bunch of books of their own because they're about their 75th anniversary season, and my book's going to be passe, and no one's going to care. But I'm still working on it. I've actually got it all on my computer right here. I haven't quite finished the project.

But I'm a nerd for history. but I also think at times we get spoiled by recent history and so we don't understand the full context of what we're seeing. So Janice, what he has done in these two finals games, the last two finals games, it just isn't done. And what do I mean by that? Like, okay, so what if we do a 40-point double-double in finals, history. Can we show the full list of guys with more than one? Okay, so LeBron's got six,

which is why people think it happens a lot, because LeBron's been doing it for the last decade. But West Elgin, Havlicek, and Petit all played 50 years ago or longer. So in the last 50 years, the only two human beings to have more 40-point double-doubles than Janus in the last 96 hours are LeBron and Shaq. That's it. What about just 40-point finals games? Not double-doubles, just 40 points in the finals.

Show me everyone who has more than Janus in their careers in the last 40 years. Think about that just for a moment. That, again, because LeBron has been doing it, it, we think it's normal. It's not normal. Kobe Bryant, 37 career finals games. One time he touched 40. KD. One time he's touched 40. Steph, one time. Kareem, one time. In the last 15 years, if you remove LeBron and Janus, it's happened seven times. Yannis has done it. Yonis has done it. twice this series a week and half ago, his knee bent in the wrong way. So it's not overstating

it to say he's having one of the greatest finals ever. It's also not overstating it to say this. What Janus has done this postseason is she, or I'm sorry, these finals is Apex Shaquille O'Neal. show me Janice's finals average and then Shaq the three years he won finals MVP Shack's barely got him in points and rebounds Janus has him in assists Janus has him in field goal percentage

Janus has him in plus minus do you guys remember Shaq in those finals in 2000 it was Shaq making Rick Smith want to flee back to the Netherlands in 01 it was de Kemi Ma Motamu was a great player and Todd McCullough trying to deal with him. And in 2002, poor Todd McCullough has to deal with him again.

That was the Nets Center in 2002. Shout out Jason Kid for getting that team to the finals back-to-back years. And Shaq every night was 35 and 15. Well, Yonnas played game one of these finals on a bulky knee, only gave you 20 and 17, and since then, okay, ho-hum, 40-40. I just read this on Twitter. I think Justin Kubako had it. Players in finals history

to have at least 85 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists in back-to-back games combined. Janice and that's the list. So it is not outlandish, prisoner of the moment, to say we are witnessing history and to say we are three games away from

Janus joining we can show the last thing. This group of guys. And this group of guys here represent NBA royalty. It's 11 guys on this list. Who's the worst player on it? Steph,

Bob Petit, who was the best player of the 50s? Multiple MVP's and a championship. Forget finals MVP because then step be off it. multiple MVP's and a championship. 11 guys ever. Yonis could be the 12th. And by the way,

guys, as far as the youngest players to ever have two MVPs in a title, it's Kareem and Bob Pettit, Janus would be next in line. Younger than Duncan, younger than LeBron, he was 27 when he won his first ring. Younger than Jordan, who was 28 when he won his first ring.

It is, it is, it is, not hyperbole at all to say we are on the precipice of witnessing history and just what he did in games two and three are history. Guys don't score 40 points in the finals. Again, LeBron's done it eight times so people think they do. In the last 15 years, take LeBron out, and take Janus out, Happened seven times. Seven. And so I want to talk about the buck's path to this, but Joy earlier, we were having a discussion, but then I realized I was already eight minutes late for where we were supposed to be,

so I cut it short. But so I do want, I want to ask you, are you starting to see, I guess the building blocks of what would be Janus, I don't want to say reinventing himself in your mind. but recalibrating how you see him based on what he's done in these two games if he didn't have that 40 points. But obviously if they win the championship, it's going to be because he's great if he's able to finish it all. I don't know if it's recalibrating. I think it's validating. That was always my issue, is that there is a standard that you have to reach in order to be considered the face of a sport, in my opinion, or a true source. superstar one percent of the one percenters. And he has been talked about in that space and hadn't won a championship.

So not that you have to win a championship to do that, he's had incredible regular seasons, but there's a difference, I believe, between a great regular season player and a great postseason player. And some people have great postseason careers and are just, you know, average or above average during the regular season. But I think if you're Janus and you are of that superstar caliber, winning a championship and being the best player on a,

championship team is something that has to occur in order to really validate that space that I think he's already been placed in. I agree with you in that. And I want to talk about the Buc's path to the championship in just a moment. But I want to ask you a question that I don't even know that I know the answer to in my head. Not there's it's an opinion question. If the Bucks don't win the title, who do you think is the face of the league? I think it's still LeBron. If they lose. I think it's still LeBron if you have to pick one. But I also think the league isn't a really if you have to pick one. If you have to pick one.

I feel like you must pick a face of the league. I still think it is LeBron. But I think that in reality, the league is in a space where it doesn't really have a face or a consensus best overall player at this point because I think people are starting to pick at what, you know, LeBron's age. And obviously they did not do well in the playoffs this year. So I think it's warranted at this particular moment. But yeah, I don't think that the league is in that space.

I mean, you're seeing the ratings throughout the playoffs, the reaction from fans to seeing guys go through the playoffs who haven't been there perennially. I think the league is in a really healthy place with the amount of superstars and parody that exists right now. I think that's right. And I think there are Kevin Durant fans yelling at their television saying it's KD, it's KD. The problem for KD is it's just tough when it's. fair or not, you go out in round two losing at home to a guy who's still playing as great as Durant was, and game five was the best game of his career.

And then it's like, all right, and last year, he didn't play, not his fault. And in 2019, he was unbelievable in the postseason, but then got hurt in round two of that postseason. So you got to go all the way back to 2018. And back in 2018, I think people were like, all right, yeah, the Warriors won the title, but LeBron was clearly the best guy. So I think that's what's working against Durant,

even though he did appear to be at the peak of his powers, which by the way is why to quickly, before we have Antoine Walker join us, just to quickly talk about why this championship for the bucks would be so important historically, the path matters. And the fact that they could have ducked Miami in round one and instead finished off the regular season

in a way that guaranteed they would get Miami and then eviscerated them, the fact that they were down 2-0 to Brooklyn, then down 3-2 to Brooklyn without home court, then even in game 7, Durant hits that shot, and they could be walking dead in overtime. They overcome that.

Then they, against Atlanta, they watch Janice's knee fold inwards, and it looks like he says he thinks he's not done for the season. He thinks he's done for a year. I'm sure his teammates felt similarly. They overcome that. And then to be down to, to Phoenix, if they overcome that all with what was hanging over a month, losing four straight

to get knocked out by Kauai in 2019, the meltdown against Miami last year in the bubble. To overcome all of that, to me it's a great storybook type of thing for the NBA and for small markets and for fans that aren't for one of the marquee franchises. You drafted your guy, you developed your guy. He signed the extension on faith that the team would continue to build. They get Drew Holiday, and now I know they're trailing in the series, but I think they're going to win the championship. We'll see if Antoine Walker agrees with me on that.

Antoine Walker was part of a championship team that was down O2 and then won four straight games because of one of the greatest finals performances ever. And that was Dwayne Wade in 06. We'll see what similarities he sees. Shaq also on that team obviously see what similarities he sees there. Antoine Walker on the herd next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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but this is a question I used to have about Dell and Steph Curry, but now I have it about the Tatis family. Do you think the dad, if he could press a button, would switch careers with the sun? So the sun still gets to have a nice long professional career, but the dad gets to be the super-dooper star.

No. No way. Do you think he does it? No way. No way. No, no, no, no. Okay. Well, as a dad, I'm pressing the button.

You are? Yeah, I'm pressing the button. No, you would not. What? They get a night. I'm not, listen, I'm not assigning my kid to a bad life. Del Curry's in the league 13 years. He won some three-point competitions.

But it's now, Del Curry's like, man, I was awesome. I taught my kid. I brought him all these things. And now for history, I'm Steph's dad. Give me a break. That's a great honor. It was like, I,

yeah, yeah, Fernando Tatis seniors, like all the people know me for, I hit two grand slams in an inning, made a bunch of money. That's a cool thing. Now I'm,

now I'm junior's dad. No, press the button. Don't you want, my kid can be in the pros? You think I want my kid, you think I want my kid to be a better broadcaster than me?

Don't you want better for your children than you, for you? Yeah, if you struggled, but if you were awesome, and then they become historically awesome,

not interested. It's a controversial take of mine. I'm telling you, like, nobody agrees. People think it. I'm telling you, get me Del Curry and Tati Sr. on a lie detector and see if they press the button. They're pressing the button. By the way, driven to be the best?

Hey, MDrive boost and burn can give you the energy and edge you need. Visit MDrive for men.com for free shipping and a 60-day guarantee. Don't let age beat you. Refined your prime with M-Drive. Hey, Antoine Walker. He has a daughter who's a super. superstar athlete. Antoine was a superstar athlete. Should have gotten his take on it. He's going to join us right now, brought you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. Antoine, you don't want your wonderful daughter all of a sudden to have

greater career than you had. A good one, not a better one than you. Be honest. Be honest, Juan. I got to keep some leverage. She's prettier than me, so she gives more attention than I get. Exactly. I appreciate the honesty. There you go. Got to keep some leverage. All right. Let's start. start on the losing side for a moment. Were you surprised Devin Booker didn't see the court in the fourth quarter? And what do you make of his struggles aside from the second half of game two in this series? Well, I thought I was surprised to see him not playing the fourth quarter just because you wanted to see him obviously start to see the ball going to basket. And I think anytime you start for fourth quarter, you want to see if you can chip into their lead and make a little run to see if you got a chance to get back into the game.

So that's what I was more surprised about. And not to say that the Phoenix bench hasn't been great all season long and through the playoffs, but this guy has to get it going. So I thought that match a win would go back to him. But I'm not terribly concerned with his performance last night. He's been pretty consistent throughout the playoffs. But one thing about, and I said this earlier, one thing about Devin Booker, he's a tough match us for him.

Coming off their Clippers series with Patrick Beverly really guarded really well. And now you have multiple defendants, PJ Tucker, is Gardner, Holiday, Millington. These guys are not giving him a lot of airspace. They're not letting him get a lot of easy looks. That comes to some, that's going to be some rough shooting nights. But Devin Booker, he's going to have to get out in transition, try to get some layups, or he's going to have to try to get to the foul line.

When that jump shot's not going, you've got to see that bar go through the back. And the best way to do that is get to the free throw line or get a layup to get itself going. So he can have that big knife. relying strictly on your jump shot, it becomes really tough to do that night in and night out. Do you, I mentioned this on the show today this morning, but not when you were on. Remember a couple years ago

when Jason Tatum, his efficiency kind of out of nowhere dipped, and it was right around the time he was, you know, publicly embracing the relationship with Kobe and trying to seemingly model his game against Kobe, or after Kobe. And now we've seen Devin Booker, they made a big thing about the be legendary and the relationship he had with the late

great Kobe Bryant. I'm curious as a player. So Kobe had, you know, a Hall of Fame mentality, obviously, that I think almost every player would benefit from, taking from. But Kobe's part of what made him a cyber mentality, one of the greatest players ever was,

he made impossible shots look easy. Like Kobe's shot selection wasn't great. made him great was that he could make them. When you see a guy like book, it does feel to me like he's taking a lot of Kobe shots, and as good as Booker is, he's obviously not Kobe. And I don't think that's, I don't think that's necessarily going to lend itself

to the efficiency the sons are going to need from him. He's a tough shotmaker. I think, you know, when we talk about tough shot makers in the league, I think Steph is probably the toughest, you know, step is the best bad shot maker we've had. seen. And I think that's what allows people about stuff. But one thing about Devin Booker in the relationship with Kobe, I think, has got his toughness you see that the competitive draft that he has, the toughness that he has playing through that broken nose. That may play a little part

in his officer's struggles as well. Never have my nose broken, but you get you getting that thing hit consistently throughout the game. Obviously, you see he doesn't want to wear it back. So we don't know if that's a problem. But I think one thing with Devin Booker is, And sometimes you've got to make the game easy for yourself. And Chris Paul is a great point guard, and he can do that. But as a player, sometimes you've got to figure out, like, how can I get out this slump? How can I get, be more consistent?

And that's something that he's going to have to figure out as he grows as a player. But if you're watching the series, everything is jump shot, everything is mid-range, everything is one dribble pull-up. So you've got to mix it up a little bit. It's a lot of film, and at this time, players are studying you when they're going home. So you've got to change your game up a little bit to get, going. And this is his first go-around at it. So he'll get better, but

they cannot win this series with him. I have it on 10 points. Antoine Walker with us, of course. Antoine two teams in the last 40 years have come back from O2 down in the finals to win the title. Famously, obviously LeBron in 2016, down O2 and then down 3-1.

And then you guys in 2006. And I know some of the audience associates you almost exclusively with the Celtics, but not only did you play with the heat in O6, started every single playoff game in that championship run. You guys were down 02 and then won four straight games. Shaq was excellent that season for the heat and who's good in the finals,

but that was the Dwayne Wade finals. At what point during the finals did you as a teammate realize, oh my God, Dwayne is going to another level and are you seeing something similar right now with Yannis? Well, I think when we play with Dwayne, it's probably the game three. And he kind of willed us to a win. And we knew that, hey, this guy's having a special series. So as Shaq always, you always hear Shaq say the others, myself and Gary Payton and Jay Will, James Posey, Edan's Azam, had to do our jobs.

We knew that we had a guy that can get it done on the offensive end, but we got to do all the little things. And that's score, rebound, play defense. And that's what made our run really, he was a special. I think for Janice and what he's doing right now. And I've been very critical in Yonis, myself personally, and it's offensive games. But I think you see improvements. And improvement comes, it's not taking bad shots last night. I thought that was the most impressive part.

Getting to the basket, wanting to get foul, getting to the foul line, making his fritos. That's the difference in what you're saying in final genre. He's not afraid to attack the basket, knowing that he struggled from the line. And if he continues to do that, sky's the limit how good it could be. Nick, you got to put it. Did you imagine if this guy gets a 15 to 17 footer when his skill set that he already has in place? I mean, now we're talking about you putting him in the conversations

with LeBron and Michael Jordan and Kobe as one of the greatest players of all times. So this is unbelievable to watch him work because he's been so efficient and putting this team on his back after horrific injury that we didn't know what was going to happen. And we were just hoping that he plays in game three. And now this guy's on the verge of trying to take this team

to win his ever. Yeah. All right. So I'll let you out here on this one because you, I believe, like I did, picked the bucks in seven. You didn't waver after two games when they were down 02. Let's say Janus during this series, he obviously won't, doesn't all of a sudden add the 17 footer. That he just plays, you know, stays to be the same player. But it's enough and they win the title. And you're right. You have been a guy that's been critical of him at times. If they win the title and Janice keeps up around this level of performance, will you consider him the best player in the league? I think LeBron is the best player in the league still right now. I'm not ready to give that title over to him. But the conversation definitely changes now because now you're talking about a guy.

And I think this is for the world. They play Milwaukee. We don't get to see Yannis play 45 times on national TV during the season, like you see a KD and LeBron James. So now it's just like it's coming out party. Yes, he is the two-time MVP. People know how good he is, but people don't really know because now they're getting to see it on the big stage. So the commentation does change.

I think he jumps. He leapsed strong in that top three category with him, Kevin Durant and LeBron as the top three guys in the league. And whoever you like more, obviously, Nick, you will be LeBron. You know, it's a bunch of KD fans out there. And then you got Yonis. So, you know, it'll be those three guys, Kevin Lee. This guy is 26 years old. So he's got an opportunity right now with a pretty good team.

If they continue to add guys and guys get better, they can have a terrific run right now with Yannis being one of the best players in the league. Well, Antoine, you said I'll be with LeBron. If Yonis wins the title, I'll call him the best player in the world. LeBron lost in round one and it was dinged up and I'll give LeBron that credit. Also, it really works. Whenever the world calls someone else the best player in the world, LeBron responds the next year by winning the title.

2015, everyone gave it to Steph, so LeBron came back 2016 and won the title. Last year, oh, it's Kauai Leonard. LeBron came back by winning the title. So, yeah, no, I'll give it to Janice. If they finish it off, I think he'll have earned it. There's the great Antoine Walker. Antoine, thank you, as always.

You had to deal with me twice today. Nobody signs up for that. I appreciate you, bro. All right, thank you, Nick. There's the great NBA champion, Antoine Walker, and here's the great, She's basically an NBA champion as well three times over. All those Miami Heat titles, Joy Taylor claims them.

Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. I actually rode in a Heat Championship parade. So I think I can claim that title. Which year? It was 2012.

It was 2012. Oh, the first. the first one with LeBron. Yeah. Beat KD. and Hardin and Russ. I don't know. There's so many.

It's so many to keep track of. But yes, I did. So many. Oh my God. Pat Riley dropping his rings on the table. Oh, God. So many titles. I mean, you have to have those rings to drop on the table.

Just saying. Yeah. Of course. Listen, everybody loves the godfather. Everybody does. The European championship between Italy and England came down to a shootout. Italy. Thanks to a 1-1 draw after one.

120 minutes of play. This was somewhat yesterday. So both teams made their first kicks. Then Italy missed their second attempts, which opened the door for England. And then they missed their last three in a row. And Italy claims their first Euro title since 1968. Marcus Rashford and Sancho were late substitutions in the game right before the penalty kicks. Yeah.

Sancho and Saka and Rashford all missed their kicks. Well, Rashford hit the post and then the other two were saves by Donoruma. But it was an unbelievable watch. Penalty kicks are, I think, the greatest. I think they're the greatest. They're excruciating. They're excruciating, but they're the best watch in sports. Like there's nothing that compelling and, like, white knuckling than that, to me anyway.

I think it's just, it's amazing to watch. Regardless if I had, which I was not rooting in either direction, but I just thought it was an unbelievable watch. I'm Italian. I was rooting for Italy, so I was happy. Did, do you think I look like the Italian goaltender? I don't know if people kept tweeting me saying they didn't, they, listen, here's a thing. Anybody with a giant nose and a beard,

people are going to tweet to me that I look like him, but the Italian goaltender, a lot of you were like, oh, Nick Wright, who knew? Also plays goalie for Italy. I'll take it. He had some good stops, happy for him. But I don't know. You don't see it. I mean, you could be your cousin.

Guy doesn't see it. I guess. My cousin, maybe he is. Maybe he is. Maybe he's from in Italy. Maybe he's. Is he Sicilian? I think I have some Sicilian blood.

I got a 23 and me it. Go ahead. I don't know. I can't do all this research on the fly. That's right. No, there's too much going on. Don't worry about it. I don't think that you guys favor each other.

Sure. How's that? But congrats to Italy. It's going to Rome. And that was a fun, fun watch yesterday. So the Chiefs lost 31 to 9 to the Bucks in the Super Bowl last season. I don't know if you know that, Nick Wright. I'm sure you watch that.

I almost cursed. I almost said no. Yeah, I know. The most watched event in television history, I know what happened. Literally nothing's ever been watched more than that game. And you're like, oh, I don't know if you saw. Yeah, I saw. Why are you bringing it up?

I mean, well, because Travis Kelsey and Tyree Kill were talking about that loss, calling it a shalacking. That is what Kelsey referred to it as. And he said he's using it as motivation to come back even stronger for a championship chase in 2021. And Tyree Kill said he's been grinding his tail off to bounce back after what he called an embarrassing loss. I actually think that, well, I'm sure you would disagree

because you wanted them to win and you were wrong about Tom. Brady again, which is a camp I can't believe that you still decide to stay in. But I think that when it comes to dynasties, a loss like that can be helpful in the long term because it doesn't let you get comfortable. Now, I think there are a lot more factors to that loss than just Tom Brady and the Bucs defense being great. Like there were some injuries that I think played a massive role. And I don't like to blame things on injuries, but they are factors in wide.

people win or lose. Like that does play a role in why people get somewhere. You can't control them and they are inevitable in every sport. So I don't think it's an excuse, but I do think it matters. I just think that they're talking about it in a way that they're using it to, you know, not that they needed to be humbled because I don't believe in that either, but just it helps you stay on the grind a little bit more. Whereas I think everyone, the bucks running it back is an interesting tactic,

but I don't know if that will have the same effect. Yeah, the chiefs are going to go 20 and all. it should have never lost that game. There's an outrage. The whole offensive line was injured. And by the way, you're like, oh, I can't believe you. It's still on the Brady thing.

God, I'm going to get killed for this. I really think I was right about Tom. I know it's like Nick. He doesn't win the Super Bowl again. Let me just defend my take for a moment. You know who also thought Tom Brady was done? Bill Belichick, who was around him every single day. The year I said Brady's officially done

he threw a pick six to lose a first round playoff game to the Titans. Then he goes Tampa, first round playoff game. They're playing Taylor Heineke, who just got to the league. Second playoff game, the Saints are beating them, and then Drew Breeze melts like the Wicked Witch of the West when hit by water, just in a puddle all of a sudden. Now he's retired. He's gone.

Third playoff game. Bakhtiari's out. That's important. And Brady just keeps throwing lollipop interceptions, Packers can't take advantage of it. Fourth playoff game, Chief's entire offensive line is out. And all of a sudden, end of the first half, every time. It's an incomplete pass.

Flag, flag, flag. I don't think I was wrong about Tom. I think you're definitely wrong. No one told you to bring this up. Luck favors the prepared. That is a saying I use often, and he is very, very prepared, and took advantage of that moment. I firmly deborded.

the, well, I was never on the Brady is retiring or Brady has done, train. I, I never thought that that was a good, good band to team up with. But I have suffered at the hands of Brady for many years. And I decided to just stop suffering and just enjoy watching the greatest quarterback that we've ever seen play, play after that Atlanta Super Bowl. I thought I decided to stop suffering too when his team kicked him to the curb for Jared Sidham and he had to go to Tampa. Belichick also tried to do that with Jimmy Garoppel.

and we saw how that turned out. So him moving off of Tom Brady, I wasn't really thinking that that was, you know, something he had a firm grasp on, but obviously you did. Speaking of Bakhtiari, sorry, David Bakhtiari has gotten a reputation for chugging beers at Bucks games.

And he was in attendance for game three last night. And Dana Beers egged him on to do it once again. And he accepted, and he did two beers in a row. And this time, his dad got in on it and chugged beer as well, which made the crowd go wild. I've loved watching the Suns fans throughout this postseason,

but I thought that the Bucks fans really showed out last night. That Deer District was crazy, and this is such a fun thing. I enjoyed this. I know people got weird about it because it's alcohol, but it's, I mean, it's Milwaukee. Not you. I'm not telling you to shut up. People get weird about it. It was alcohol.

Hey, oh, big giant NFL. Offensive Lyman enjoys drinking beer. That's the story literally as old as NFL offensive lineman and beer. Now, we don't have the video of it. We don't have video of it. But do you know what also happened at this game? They put a little kid on the Jumbotron. I saw it.

And he had an apple juice and he chugged the apple juice. Now that could lead you down a slightly problematic road, but I liked it. I'm a big fan of it. People are all like, ah, what if my kids see? You're kids or your problem. Not my problem. I thought it was great. I couldn't agree more. I thought it was fantastic. Raise your own children. I thought it was great. It's so on brands and it was really fun. And his dad getting in on it was the absolute best. Also, I cannot chug a beer at all. So I truly don't understand how this is even humanly possible. But it's fun to watch. And I'm just so glad the fans are back. I would have thought, I would have thought Joy Taylor back when she was only semi-famous Joy Taylor doing local radio in Miami at one of the, remote when you're out at, you know, Bob's bar from 9 a.m. to noon on a Saturday, you would have thrown down one. Not a beer chugger. I've made something new every day.

I've made plenty of other extremely questionable choices, but I can't physically chug a beer. That's true. By the way, $50 bounty, if anyone sends some of those questionable choices, proof of them to me via the internet. There's joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. News. So there's Herd Line News with the Great Joy Taylor. Coming up next,

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Because we do it with Janus. So we already did Steph. I mentioned how Steph, he's got no post-up. game. Just has none. We did KD. is the skinniest superstar we've ever seen in this whole league. Look like Keith Klaus out there. So who's the next man up? Who are we doing now,

Joy? Kauai Leonard. Oh, listen, Kauai Leonard. He's one of the best two-way players in basketball. Now, obviously, not a great passer. Did you know he has one career triple double? Three times in his whole career has he had even 10 assists.

Zero times in the playoffs. So obviously for a guy with a ball in his hands as much, anybody, he, not a great passer, not a great playmaker, but doesn't take away with the fact. He's an excellent jump shooter, great defender, you know, great competitor. Can't pass to save his life, but does all these other, do you just realize how ridiculous I sound? This is just ridiculous. I bet you didn't know that about Kauai, did you though, Joy? I actually think more people should talk about it with Kauai.

I didn't. Yeah. Career high and assists is 10, he's done it three times. I mean, in some ways, a critique of Kauai is that he doesn't necessarily elevate the players around him. He is a bit of an, you know, an isolated superstar. So that could be backed up with those stats. Should talk about it more.

Yeah. Guy doesn't pass. I feel like we, does he know how to pass? Does he, have you ever seen Kauai execute a two-handed chess pass? I don't know. It's just things people need to discuss. Other things people need discuss is the officiating of the NBA finals. Last night, Janus took more free throws than the entire sun scene.

Monty Williams has some thoughts on it. I'm not going to get into the complaining publicly about files. Just not going to do that, but you can look, you know, we had 16 free throws tonight. One person at 17. So, you know, DA is we got to learn from that. We got to beat guys to the spot. And he'll grow from this. I promise you he will.

Okay, that's a good job. by Monty Williams, pardon me, trying to prime the officials for game four. The problem is this, though. The reason the Sons are not getting foul calls is because all year long,

they didn't get foul calls because they're a jump shooting team. And the reason Yannis shot 17 free throws was because he was constantly attacking. I would challenge Monty Williams or any Sons fans that's upset to try to go find the foul that was called against Janus, that wasn't a foul.

There was one play where Janus fouled Devin Booker on a rebound. That went uncalled. Then Macau Bridges came in and fouled Janus, and they called that. But Janus got these free throws because he was getting hacked. He didn't get the free throws 20 feet away from the basket on a rip-through move. The sons, of the 16 teams in the playoffs, they're 16th in three-throw rate. It's just not their game. And it's not as if a bunch of bucks are going to the line.

Hell, going into last night's game, there had been nine total free throw shot by all the players on the bucks aside from Yonis. Yonis is just constantly attacking and there's no one on Phoenix that can guard him. Now, I think this is money well spent by money if he does get fined. I think more coaches should do this. I said Bud should have done it after game one. But the referees called a fair game yesterday. It just is one guy is constantly going to the rim

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