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Episode Date: July 20, 2021

Colin examines new information that Aaron Rodgers will be coming back to Green Bay this year and turned down a massive extension to stay with the team. The Bucks are on the brink of starting a dynasty tonight but don't overlook the breaks they've gotten along the way. Although Aaron Rodgers is trapped with the Packers this season, once he leaves, he'd rather retire than play for a bad team. Plus, there's a big difference between the winning success of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers!Guest: Cuttino Mobley Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the best of the Hurd. with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. News breaking everywhere, some good, some bad, live in Los Angeles. It's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1, I swear to God, sometimes I'm hosting a Wisconsin Sports Talk radio show.

I've got Bucks and Packers News everywhere. I might as well just find a badger story, you know, I'm just making a Milwaukee show. Good to have you in. Joy Taylor's joining me. Joy, how are you? I'm doing great. I'm looking forward to this game tonight. Yep.

Could be the beginning of something very special for Milwaukee. So I want to start with the NFL because we have two bits of information on Aaron Rogers. So the first bit seems small, but it's something. As we often say on this show, everything is something, nothing is everything. So Wayne Larravee is the voice of the Green Bay Packers. He's the play-by-play announcer for the Green Bay Packers. He recently set on the NFL network, and it seems inconsequential and small, but that the house Aaron Rogers lives in, they have scheduled one of those deep cleanings

for people who aren't in the house for five or six months. That's the second bit of information we have heard on Aaron Rogers. The other being three weeks ago, he rejoined the Green Bay Country Club. You wouldn't do that if you weren't coming back. So it does appear. He's not going to hold out. And Aaron Rogers getting the house cleaned, country club, he's coming back to the Packers. Here's the second bit of information.

And big picture, I think we all knew this, but Adam Schaefter is reporting for the first time tweeting this morning that the Packers offered Aaron Rogers this offseason. Past few months, they offered him a two-year contract, an extension that would have kept him in Green Bay for five years and made him not only the highest paid quarterback in the NFL, but the highest paid player. He said, no thanks. so it's not about the money. This goes way, way deeper than money. He wants to control his future and he can't in Green Bay. Now, there's a couple of things to think about here. Number one, it's much easier to move Aaron Rogers after this season.

Two reasons. Number one, his dead cap hit goes from $38 million to $17 million. It's tough to trade him now. You take a big dead cap hit. Number two is Jordan Love has another year to improve. more reps, more camps, more practices. The other thing is there is major risk. For both parties, what if Aaron gets hurt?

He'll then be in December a 38-year-old, older quarterback with a list of injuries. He's already missed 17 games as a Packer starter. Brady's old. He doesn't miss games. Eli was old. He doesn't miss games. Aaron's missed 17. If he gets hurt, how many teams want him?

Remember, here's the second thing. Nine quarterbacks have been taken just in the first round in the last two years, and most of them look like they can play. You have a shrinking market of teams that need a quarterback. So the reason everybody keeps mentioning the Denver Broncos, because they're in the AFC and Green Bay, ideally we'd like to get Aaron in the other conference so they don't see them guaranteed every year. They don't have to go through them to get to the Super Bowl.

And the second thing is there is a shrinking number of teams that need a quarterback. The older guys are playing longer, and the younger guys are better sooner. They're just fewer and fewer teams. I was looking at a mock draft the other night. There's four quarterbacks going to be taken, one from Oklahoma, one from North Carolina. There's four more quarterbacks going in the first round next year, and over half of these guys now are hitting in the last decade.

So remember, the longer you wait to trade somebody, the market changes. The market shrinks. Teams aren't going to sit around and wait for the Packers. The other thing that's not. not being discussed here is that generally the way it works for all businesses, media, sports, law offices, if somebody's unhappy, you want to get him out of the room, you want to get him out of the locker room, you want to get him out of the business. Because think about Aaron and his personality when he's happy.

He can be kind of condescending, right? If he's unhappy this year, how does he act? What happens to the team? Is he dismissive? Is he not exactly a team guy? There's more teams that will pass on him. There's going to be a lot of people like, no thanks. We got four more quarterbacks in the first round.

I mean, Tom Brady, the ultimate team guy, the best player ever, had three teams that really wanted him. I mean, really were all in on him. Three. Aaron Rogers has injuries, is more difficult, is going to be much more expensive than Tom Brady was. your list of teams, it's not going to be 9, 10, 12 teams. It could be 3 or 4.

And if this year is snippy and it unravels, remember before last year, Aaron had declined three straight years. Gradually, he hadn't fallen off the cliff, but there's a reason Green Bay went and drafted a quarterback. Aaron's numbers were slowly declining. Then he pops last year and they're kind of trapped. Oh, oh, okay, he's not getting worse. he's actually ready to go in Matt LaFleur's second year.

So there's a lot of risk here. Aaron could get hurt. Aaron could turn off teams. Remember, the old quarterbacks in this league are playing longer, and the young guys are better sooner. The market is shrinking for people who want to pay $35 million for a quarterback who can be arrogant, difficult, call his own team out. So that's the latest.

Two bits of information. Looks like he's coming back. And it doesn't matter if Green Bay makes him the highest paid, player in the NFL. He's not interested. This goes way, way deeper than money. All right. So we said yesterday that, you know, dynasties can often surprise us. We didn't see the Golden State Warriors winning a championship before they did. Like, we didn't see the very early days of the Golden State Warrior dynasty. Now, a lot of times, you know, like LeBron goes to Miami and we expected to be a dynasty, and it's almost never as good as we think.

Dynasties never last as long as you think in the NFL, in the NBA, and baseball. They never do. Things change. But let's say Milwaukee wins tonight. They are favored. I think they'll win easily. I think the sons look fatigued. And we, they would be a dynasty that wouldn't be from a glamorous city.

You know, they were slow and patient. They've developed players. They've just dabbled in free agency. We've had that dynasty. And it wasn't that long ago. It was called the San Antonio Spurs. Smaller market. They land a super talented big.

One is coached by Greg Popovich. One is coached by his disciple. And again, they're just on the fringes of free agency. In both cases, Spurs and now the box, timing has been very advantageous. When did the Spurs take the league over? when Kobe and Shaq broke up. They won three of the next five. Look at the Bucks.

LeBron and Kauai. Leave the East. I mean, who's going to challenge Milwaukee in the East? Brooklyn. You got two brittle players, and you don't know. They fell apart this year. The core three for the Spurs. You get a big,

then you get a very good wing, Manu Genoobli and a top 10-12 guard Tony Parker. One of the bucks. You get an athletic big. You get Chris Middleton on the wing and you get Drew Holiday. By the way, what's even crazier is that Manu was a second round pick. Middleton, the wing, the second round pick. Tony Parker late first, Drew Holiday was drafted late first.

So their talent is perceived as the same. In both cases, the big Tim Duncan and Janus, free throw issues, loyal, humble, gracious, great on both ends of the floor. The best player when you combine both ends of the floor. Both had won two MVPs and neither has the ego, Duncan or Janus, that they need the last shot in the big games. Duncan was about winning Janice is about winning Janice and Duncan if you do word association

driven hungry mature coachable healthy overwhelmingly healthy so we've seen a team like the bucks

they could be the northern version of San Antonio They're not real glamorous. They land a great star who's mature beyond his years, the best defensive player at his position, one of the top offensive players at his position, coachable just gets better, his peak last 10 years. You got Popovich at one, a disciple of Popovich at the other. You have a system where the people surrounding him are not needy, Manu and Tony Parker. Middleton Drew Holiday,

understand their role in a system. And I'll say this. The Kobe Shack divorce ended up being the opening for the Spurs. And LeBron and Kauai heading west, very well could be the opening Milwaukee needs. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics

where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win.

I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement

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So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and, TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

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I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast. podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark.

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iHeartRadio app search learn the hard way and listen now so this is something the best division in football and it's not really disputable is the nfc west where i have the rams and the seahawks at the top uh san francisco loaded we worry about gropolo's health third and arizona's easily the best roster for a fourth place team in the nfl it's a great division and arizona actually has given the rams the niners and the seahawks fits that's where the young coach that we don't even know if he's going to be around in the NFL after this year and a very young quarterback. But Cam Acres, the number one running back, a really, really four and a half yards of carry running back for the Rams suffered a torn Achilles while training.

That is not good. So Malcolm Brown, and this didn't make a lot of news, but he was their second back. He's their power back. He got moved to Miami. So now they don't have the wiggle, the explosive bag. nor that they have their power back. And remember, McVeigh's offense is really like Kyle Shanahan's offense. We think of them as high, flying, and explosive and dynamic.

They're based on a strong running game. So now the Rams suddenly have no depth at running back, no number one running back. They also lost their number two tight end, Gerald Everett, to Seattle. Their defensive coordinator is now the Chargers head coach. Their passing game coordinator is now the Seahawks offensive coordinator. They lost Michael Brockers to Detroit. They lost Malcolm Brown, didn't make news to Miami, and they lost their top safety John Johnson to Cleveland

and their third corner, Troy Hill to Cleveland. So the headline, the big headlines, Matt Stafford and the Rams, totally headline worthy. But just say it out loud. They just lost their number one running back for the year, their number one power back, their number two tight end, their number one safety, their number three corner, their defensive coordinator. Oh yeah, their center, Austin Blythe, he's gone now too.

You know, we think of the Cowboys as dysfunctional and not a Super Bowl contender. We think of the Rams as highly functional and a Super Bowl contender with the great coach. But they're a lot closer than you think. They've got a handful of high-end stars and very little depth. and right now the Rams, they've got three stars. Jalen Ramsey's a great corner, a little temperamental, but a great corner. Aaron Donald's the best defensive lineman in football, and Matt Stafford's great. And they are now not as good at center, not as good at running back, not quite as deep in the secondary, not as good at safety.

They lost a super bright defensive coordinator. Maybe the Cowboys and the Rams are not that different. a lot of high-end players, not a lot of depth, and one or two injuries from being a non-playoff team. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlie. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories about what made these people love their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talk to coaches. We talk to players. We tell you stories. You download it, you listen to it, I think you like it.

Listen to All Ball with Doug Ghalib on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days I'd put on 10 pounds, I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators,

and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream,

this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people.

I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay and I'm Alex English Each episode we pick it here unpack what went down And try to make sense of how we survived it Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill

Waxing all about crack in the 80s To be clear, 84 is big to me Not just because of crack I'm down to talk about crack on day But just so y'all know At this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack So I'm starting to see that there's a through line

We also have AIDS on the table right now So Thank you for finishing that. sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own

experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests, I'm talking. Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it.

And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross. Because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth. Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro.

Absolutely. And that's two different. levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Keir Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the hard way and listen now. And I said is that both Green Bay and Aaron have something to lose. He's an older quarterback who's been nicked up several times in the last three and four years. And that if you, you know, you roll the dice on this, Aaron gets hurt.

he's not attractive. The market shrinks. There's just too many good young quarterbacks out there and the old guys are playing longer. And for Green Bay, you're not going to get nearly as much as if he's coming off another collarbone injury or another injury. And, you know, that's why I've said, I don't think it's out of the question that Green Bay,

if they got up to a great start and Denver got off to a terrible start, and Vic Fangio's there is clawing for, it'll be the last Vic Fangio head coaching job in his career, and he's begging the general manager to pull the trigger because Drew Locke isn't cutting it. against Justin Herbert and Derek Carr and, you know, Patrick Mulhom. Denver's situation is they have the fourth best quarterback in their division, and we're not even sure he's going to make it.

And so Aaron's the best quarterback in his division, so I could see this at the trading deadline. And Aaron's a guy that would pick up an offense fast in Denver. It wouldn't take him forever. So, but here is, and I've said before, I don't like being trapped. I'm a fairly restless person. And this is where I sympathize with Aaron, is that he's trapped. and this is why I hate the franchise tag for quarterbacks.

I think it's great for guards, weak side linebackers, tight ends, kickers. I think the franchise tag stinks for star quarterbacks. That basically he can't go anywhere. And they could franchise tag him for years. I think it's awful for quarterbacks and awful for Aaron. Like Deshaun Watson's case, if you're carrying a dysfunctional organization,

then Green Bay is not dysfunctional, it's a lousy place to be in life. And you can say, oh, he's well compensated. Well, Aaron's going to be well compensated wherever he plays in this league. You want to feel like you've got an organization that's got your back, supports you, gives you the elements that can go up against the Russell Wilson's and the Brady's and the Mahomes and win. But I do think there is some leverage for Aaron here, is that Aaron's got a lot of options and a lot of interest in life. We saw the Jeopardy thing.

He kind of, you know, he travels. He's got a beautiful Hollywood fiancé. Aaron's leverage is I'm not going to a crappy team. I will retire. And Jets, if Zach Wilson busts, like, he's not going there. He's not going to Detroit. He's not going to Houston. He's not going to Philadelphia.

So it does limit Green Bay has got to send him somewhere. Because if I was Aaron, and I think I'm a good employee, but if I was Aaron, I would make it very clear at some point if you start hearing trade rumors and just say, I will retire unless this is a legitimate playoff roster or an experienced head coach. I would just come out and just say it because that will scare all the teams off. I do think there are five, six teams that are pretty interesting for Aaron and that Aaron, I think, would actually be a good fit and it would work. The New York Giants.

The defense is great. The defense is talent-wise, I think, better than Green Bay. The Miami Dolphins, they got everything except the quarterback. What if Tua, by Thanksgiving, we're like, it's not working? The New Orleans Saints. Again, great GM, great coach. They go big and free agency. Tremendous offensive line.

The Washington football team. Ron Revere has been to a Super Bowl. That defense is the best in their division. They've added some really nice pieces. They have added Curtis Samuel to an already pretty good wide receiving core. And the Pittsburgh Steelers, they feel a little like the Packers sometimes are kind of burrowed into the past. but you do have a strong family, an excellent GM, a great defense.

You got to upgrade the offensive line at some point because I think it's the worst Steeler offensive line in a decade. But I do think these five teams, the Dolphins, the Saints, Washington, Pittsburgh Giants, Aaron would be the kind of guy that could take that roster elevated. It'd be great. But, you know, the one thing where I support Aaron is star quarterbacks, and Aaron's got his issues too. He's trapped. Green Bay can trade him wherever they want. He can't go anywhere. If he holds out, he loses money. Now, Green Bay is not as good as he holds out, but they're not

going to lose money. So I do think with the Schefter News today, you've got to consider where are the spots? What is out there? Where does he fit? And I think those are five or six. Now, Daniel Jones and Tua would have to struggle this year, or at least struggle enough so the people inside the building are like, this isn't, we can't get to where we want to get. I think Daniel Jones, my opinion, probably going to make it. The Giants have shown a history of being pretty patient with their quarterbacks. It took Eli Manning a long time. So I think Daniel Jones going to make it. I don't with Tua.

So the Miami one, to me, is the top of the list because you can move them to the AFC. That football team's ready to win. That football team could play for the AFC championship up against the Buffalo or Kansas City if you gave them Aaron Rogers. I don't doubt that for a second. I think the coach is great. The special teams are great. The defense is great. And now they've added Will Fuller to a pretty decent wide receiving core upgraded the O line.

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Okay. they had melted down on television against the bears in week five, and they were crushed by the Saints in week nine. So now we're in the back half, and they're a mess. They're getting destroyed. Bruce Ariens and Tom Brady, week nine, week 10, week 11, had a different ideology. Like they just were not clicking.

Heading into their buy, Tampa Bay had lost three straight home games. not three straight games, three straight home games. And they were kind of, they were, let's be reasonable. They had beaten Green Bay. That was their big W. And it lost every other playoff team, right? Like they were inconsistent, good and bad, hot and cold, a little bit of an ideological mess.

Tom wanted more short passing game, more efficiency. Ariens is more over-the-top stuff. And this is what I've always said. the difference between Aaron Rogers, most of us acknowledge Aaron throws a better football. Aaron's a more nimble athlete. It's the neck up stuff. Look at all the crap Brady went through last year. Okay.

No OTAs. No camp. New system. New coaches. Tougher division. Melting down on national TV. Screaming at teammates. And it's the old Andy Dufrein.

went through that tunnel and came out the other side. And that's where Aaron Rogers has melted down. Because a year ago, the Packers drafted a quarterback. Like, Brady didn't love Garoppolo being drafted, but he didn't melt down. And I think this is really the difference. Like a lot of people say Russell Wilson can be corny. He's so optimistic. But I was told something years ago by a very successful guy.

He said there's no cynical billionaires. You've got to be optimistic. because in business every day there's another problem. And you either believe there's a solution or you're cynical and the glass is half full. You have to be half empty. You have to be a glass half full guy to get rich. Business is hard. You're competing.

You know, Tom's competing against a handful of teams. You're competing against the world in business. Now it's a globalization. You're competing against the globe in your business. you have to be positive. You can't be cynical. And I always said there's that one Aaron Roger stat that is so bizarre that he has fewer fourth quarter comebacks than Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, Derek Carr.

Now you could say, well, that's because he doesn't trail much. He's got fewer than Russell Wilson. He's got fewer than other quarterbacks who have been on good teams. And he's got fewer than average quarterbacks on bad teams. And I think a lot of it's psychology. Aaron tends to be a little bit of a bailer. Like if things are good, if things are under control, Aaron's the best.

But the NFL's hard. And last year is a prime example. Aaron Rogers is not won a Super Bowl last year in Tampa. No camp, different ideology, struggling with coaches, humiliated on television. I mean, even in the playoffs, they struggled against Washington. Even at Lambo, could have lost that game. It's just the determination, the vision, the focus. Brady and Russell Wilson are defined by fourth quarter comebacks.

Aaron Rogers, craziest stat. He's got very few of them despite his talent. And I think last year is the prime example. Tampa had no business winning the Super Bowl. They were not as good as New Orleans. They played them three times. New Orleans was easily better in two. And the other game was a go-either-way game.

So I just, the fact that he's on the White House today is just like, it really is of all the championships to win land. They were seven and five in week 12. They'd lost going into the buy, they'd lost three straight home games. It was never easy. It was never easy. And that's just so Brady, head down, elevating the troops, never quitting, never bailing, getting the foxhole with me. And I think that defines Tom more than size and arm and Belichick and system. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

Ketino Mobley played in the NBA for 11 years. Average 16 points a game. By the way, led the Clippers to their first playoff series win 15 years ago. He now joins us live. I mean, you've been in these big playoff games and you got to a playoff. with a team that didn't get to the playoffs with the clippers. So you can kind of relate to this. When you get into this territory, nobody on the roster has mostly been in this territory. And do you, is it, I mean, what if Milwaukee leads by three?

There's two and a half left. Have you been on the floor in a playoff series or a playoff game and thought, okay, it feels different. We, this feels intense. We're tight. No, yeah. You know, I think right now, It's just showing the experience of Milwaukee, regardless.

You know, Janice and the Middleton came in about seven years ago. They had the worst record in the league. And, you know, previous years, you know, the Alston first round, second round, and teams were playing the same defense on Janus. So I think now you can see a little bit of Phoenix where the maturity level is not quite there. Yeah.

Their center, you know, Janus attacking him. I think psychologically he has him a little bit. But when it, you know, again, I can't count Chris Paul out. So if the game is close and it's one or two possessions, you know, Chris Paul's not going to turn it over like he did the last game, you know, that happened. I just, I just don't see it. You know, it's, I think it's this time if it's close. If it's five or six or seven, I think Milwaukee takes it.

You know, the last three years, the Raptors, the Lakers, and now the Bucks. They don't shoot the three as well as a lot of them. other teams, in fact, the seven teams that led the NBA in three-point shooting this year combined have won a single playoff series. And for the third year in a row, the Raptors, last year's Lakers, and the Bucks, we have a team that's more known for its physicality and its defense than it is its three-point shooting. What do you make of that? Well, it tells me, Colin, that, you know, listen, we do that in the big three.

we beat you up a little bit instead of shooting all the threes. It's kind of that old school basketball. Yeah. And what it's telling me is, you know, the post game is coming back, more so inside out. As good as the guards are, today's game, as skilled as they are, I think the physicality, like you said, is showing a little bit more. So, you know, we beat you, run you off the three and then clogged that paint to make you, you know, pass the ball a little bit more where we have the time, the clock on our side,

which you move in the ball a lot. I think that helps out a lot. And then you see the Torontoes of the world, the Lakers of the world, and then you have Milwaukee's of the world and what they're doing right now. I think for me, listen, I grew up with Inside Out and more physicality. So I kind of like it more than I do just shooting a whole bunch of threes and bailing people out. What do you do? Devin Booker is clearly the go-to score for the Sons.

Let's say Chris Paul doesn't play particularly well, does not have a good finals. he's 36 years old Drew Hollidays made him look every day of that you run the Phoenix Suns what do you do with Chris Paul do you bring him back one year two year what if he demands three what do you do

because this series he's looked fatigued he has looked 36 yeah you know listen I love Chris Paul is one of my favorites you know Drew Holliday listen he's one of the best two-way guards ever played a game I love he's strong, he's thick, you know, he puts the pressure on you not only offensively,

but, I mean, you know, defensively, but offensively. So, I mean, when you have a guy like that who's committed defensively, and then you have Milton, who's trying his best defensively, right? They don't have a slump team. They have a team with PJ Tucker, you have Yonis, you have a holiday, you have a lot of guys defensively. So even if Chris would try to get a switch, you know, Yonis is jumping on him. You know, Middleton is jumping on them, the length.

And that always has hurt Chris. when it came to big guards late in the playoffs guarding him. Yeah. So, you know, it's interesting about free throws. Nick Wright said the other day, he said free throws are overrated. And he proved it. He said, Shaq couldn't hit him during the Laker dynasty. Duncan couldn't hit him during the Spurs dynasty.

Yannis can't hit him with Milwaukee. LeBron's primary liability has been free throws. And that Milwaukee doesn't shoot him particularly well, but they get so many opportunities because they're so physical and aggressive that if they shoot 60% as a team, it's okay because they're shooting almost twice as many. Janice has 66 free throw attempts in the series.

Devin Booker's got a third of that. And when you were in a playoffs in your NBA career, did you think free throws were overrated? Because Phoenix shoots them very well, but they're not getting to the line because they're a jump shooting team. What do you make of that? Yeah, I mean, listen, they always say to us when we were younger,

if you want to be a star, you got to get to the free throw line to change the game, put possession, put pressure on the starting guard who's defending you or the starting team who's defending you. And, you know, it's just Janus, truthfully, who's struggling, who struggles from the free throw line. Everybody else, if you foul them with Milwaukee, they're making their free throws. So, you know, Janus is getting into the paint. He's not shooting threes.

I know. I think Devin Booker, you know, if they lose this series, he needs to literally take a page out of this book and say, listen, I need to bulk up a little more. I need to work on my defense, become more of a great two-way player because people are comparing Devin Booker to the Kobe Bryant, which I am too offensively. But then Kobe's defensive tenacity hawking down the court, you know, making it uncomfortable for you defensively is something that Kobe did. And Kobe attacked you. You know, he's in the wait room. So he's attacking you first, second, third, in the fourth quarter. it was like his first court. So I think that's what Devin Booker knew to do more of. It's a lot of jump shooting. But again, that's today's age,

where a lot of guys are shooting more jumpers that they are pounding themselves in the paint. So it's interesting. I've asked this question to my guest today. So I did not watch Space Jam with Michael Jordan. I didn't watch it, nor am I going to watch LeBron's kid movie. I'm not interested. But once again, LeBron is inviting a comparison. with Michael, and the word is the Michael movie is better than the LeBron movie.

And during the summer, we saw last year the MJ documentary, which when it went to Netflix, has three times the audience of the NBA finals this year. And it's interesting. Joy and I talked about this earlier, is that LeBron kind of invited some of these comparisons with MJ, and it's not serving him necessarily very well because, LeBron, Michael's shoes next year, this year outsold LeBron's by five times, and he has not been in his prime for 25 years. Go back, and it's hard to explain to people in their 20s,

because they grew up with LeBron. Go back to plan against Michael the aura of Michael at its apex that you remember, Catino. And if I'd never experienced the Michael Jordan years, what was it like? How big, how popular, how glamorous, what was it like? Okay, so it's a little unfair, Colin, right? Let me tell you why. Michael was amazing. Okay, he was everything.

I mean, come fly with me. Come fly with me, too, space jam, be like my commercials. And then you think about this. Joy, you know this. The sneakers that were the retro sneakers everybody wears. If Michael Jordan walked down the street today and you have a five-year-old, seven-year-old, 10-year-old, kids wouldn't know him, but they would definitely know LeBron James.

But they're wearing Michael Jordan sneakers because they're more fashion. It's more of a fashion thing. So the popularity, they don't know Michael Jordan. They just understand that their father or their mother wearing the sneakers of Michael Jordan or it's something hip to do because, you know, there's retro and it's more into the... You can't wear LeBron James as fashion. That's just not what it is. Yeah.

Right? But like, think about Batman. Okay? There was Jack Nicholson and then, you know, you had Heath Ledger. I thought Heath Ledger was a better Joker. Yeah, that's just what I thought, right? And then you have, like, was it, Michael Keaton? Right.

But I love Christian Bale as Batman. So it's just to each his own. And then, you know, LeBron James always getting a lot of... Whatever LeBron James does, especially if he tries to, you know, copy it or whatever you want to call it, it's always going to be criticism because Michael Jordan is your first love. He's our first love, especially 50 and under. Definitely Michael Jordan is your first love. So no one really did what Michael Jordan did.

So it's kind of hard to get that out. It's that ideology. It's that preconceived notion of like Mike was the guy who first did it, which he wasn't. It was Dr. J. It was Elgin Baylor. It was this person. It was that person. and Mike copied them guys, but he just did it better.

So, I mean, you know, to LeBron's defense, he will never outsell Michael Jordan's sneakers because everybody loves Michael Jordan's sneakers. It's a fashion thing. Yeah. There is some value in also that Joy and I were talking about this earlier, is that the world's so fragmented, everybody's attention. There's a million social media things, cable TV, network TV, HBO Mac.

There's a zillion channels. So everybody's attention is splintered and fragmented. When Michael was playing, you had basically four channels. ESPN was the cable channel. And everybody watched, you know, I can remember. I mean, I can tell you now I don't watch broadcast TV much. The last broadcast television show that I went to every week, not counting sports, not counting, was Sopranos. Like every Sunday night, I watched Sopranos.

But before that, that's where I watched all my games. that's why everybody went to watch the Michael Jordan Games is popular as the NBA is now that we've got golf channels and tennis channels and hockey channels. The audience is all splintered up. No, you're so right. Yeah, guys will get richer now, but they were more famous then than they are now.

Like we were talking about Michael Jackson. I didn't know anybody that didn't like Michael Jackson. Anybody. Right. If I went up to my friends today and say, Pitbull, half like him, half don't. Everybody like Michael Jackson.

Did you have Michael Jackson's CDs and albums? Oh my God. Yes. I still have his albums. I still have his albums, Prince albums, Rolling Stones. I have all of them. I have all the vinyl upstairs. I mean, that's just what it was.

I mean, you used to pick your college, Joy, your brother may notice too. You used to pick your college based on how many TV games that they would give you. You know what I mean? when I went to the Rockets, my first year, and this was 98-99, the Rockets were playing 14 televised games. That's why they knew me, myself, so fast. And then I had Scotty Pippen and Charles Barkley, Akeem Elijah.

There was probably another rookie that was amazing. But I got more clout because people saw me more. They saw me more at that time. Isn't that crazy? This is what it was. And now every game's on TV. Everybody's games on TV. Every single high school.

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